Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2) with PIPE id 4402702; Mon, 13 Sep 2004 03:01:07 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #131 Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 03:00:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=ham version=3.0.0-pre4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0-pre4 (2004-08-04) on prxy.net X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4a3 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #131 1. Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts by "kick-butt" 2. Re: waterproof sealer for cardboard? by "kick-butt" 3. Lycra by JAXBEAR31 [at] aol.com 4. Re: waterproof sealer for cardboard? by Richard Niederberg 5. "Top Ten Uses for a Stage Weight." by MPTecDir [at] aol.com 6. Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts by "Stephen E. Rees" 7. Re: waterproof sealer for cardboard? by "Stephen E. Rees" 8. Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts by MissWisc [at] aol.com 9. Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts by Steve Larson 10. Re: storm by Bruce Purdy 11. Re: waterproof sealer for cardboard? by Bruce Purdy 12. Re: Spetember 11 by IAEG [at] aol.com 13. Re: waterproof sealer for cardboard? by Steve Larson 14. ETC Emphasis and moving lights? by Dactyldude [at] aol.com 15. Re: Remotely firing a pistol by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 16. Re: Remotely firing a pistol by Charlie Richmond 17. Re: Remotely firing a pistol by "Nicholas Kuhl" 18. Re: Sealer et al. by "Paul Guncheon" 19. Re: Remotely firing a pistol by "Tony Deeming" 20. Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts by Greg Bierly 21. Re: Knot more! by Greg Bierly 22. Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts by "Jon Ares" 23. Re: Remotely firing a pistol by Charlie Richmond 24. Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 25. Hazer Placement by "Immel,Patrick" 26. Re: Light a fire from afar by Jerry Durand 27. Re: Hazer Placement by "Tony Deeming" 28. Re: Knot more! by "Delbert Hall" 29. Flexible JC by "Kevin Patrick" 30. Re: storm by Brian Aldous 31. Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts by CB 32. Re: Hazer Placement by Greg Persinger 33. Re: ETC Emphasis and moving lights? by Greg Persinger 34. Re: Grund Audio Design by CB 35. borderlining on OT: t-shirts by CB 36. Re: Hazer Placement by "Immel,Patrick" 37. Re: Hazer Placement by John McKernon 38. Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts by BACatlarge [at] aol.com 39. Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts by "Michael Denison" 40. Re: storm by "Simon Shuker" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <004301c498bb$16829760$0100a8c0 [at] tricia> From: "kick-butt" References: Subject: Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:24:37 +0100 >> "Top Ten Uses for a Stage Weight." I know some local crew that would make good stage weights. Chris ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005001c498bd$95d37280$0100a8c0 [at] tricia> From: "kick-butt" References: Subject: Re: waterproof sealer for cardboard? Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:42:29 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Bell" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 4:19 AM Subject: waterproof sealer for cardboard? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Bob Bell Carpenter/Rigger I.A.T.S.E. #54 Binghamton, N.Y. acrylic , pva or a clear waterproof or wood as used on decking . Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 07:52:45 -0400 From: JAXBEAR31 [at] aol.com Subject: Lycra Message-ID: <54491272.440523AB.021F819D [at] aol.com> HI, I like using seam tape when I sew lycra. You can use a serger or standard sewing machine with it. The seam tape looks like scotch tape. It allows you to sew without the fabric bunching up. It also dissolves when you wash the garment. As for dyeing...you can use RIT, but add a dash of Jacquard. It acts like a catalyst for the Rit Dye for staying power. Eric Schmook ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:37:22 -0700 Subject: Re: waterproof sealer for cardboard? Message-ID: <20040912.053735.2200.2.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg IIRC, "workable fixative" is the generic or common name for a 3M ('Scotch') product for delicate work. For a more 'industrial strength' solution, 'Henry's Water Seal' (intended for exterior decks) should work. /s/ Richard > I'm hoping the list can suggest a sealer that would > be at least fairly weatherproof and take tinting. ________________________________________________________________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:04:11 -0400 From: MPTecDir [at] aol.com Subject: "Top Ten Uses for a Stage Weight." Message-ID: <58CE59B5.3A8EAD32.00740ECC [at] aol.com> Frank Wood writes: > >> "Top Ten Uses for a Stage Weight." > > so what would those be? inquiring minds want to know. << I must confess that finding ten is hard. Holding up sets,........ feet of legs in place is number nine. The tenth eludes me. >> Frank, Some additional uses are: --Welding jig blocks that you don't have to tack or clamp to the welding table. --Counterweight in scenic units such as traps, elevators, drawbridge type units et. al. --Forklift spacers between layers of ply or other freight when you can't find any 2x4s. --Sound effect units (hang it by rope or cable, safely and securely of course, about about 4' high and hit it with different "things" to make various sounds). --Truck wheel chocks. Judging by the picture posted in Unka Bill's Netheads, as an I-beam hold down to prevent your grid from floating off into space! ;-) I'm sure the inventive minds of this collective can think of many more, some more parctical and less tongue-in-cheek than others. Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director U Mass Amherst, Dept of Theatre 112 Fine Arts Center West 151 Presidents Drive Ofc 2 Amherst, MA 01003-9331 Phone: 413-545-6821 Fax: 413-577-0025 http://www.umass.edu/theater/ mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu mptecdir [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41446614.7050504 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:07:00 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Subject: Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts References: Hi, I am particularily fond of the JR Clancy tee with the large foto of JR on the back. Steve Rees ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4144692F.7080204 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:20:15 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Subject: Re: waterproof sealer for cardboard? References: Bob, YOu might try Jaxsan 600, a waterbased acrylic latex elastomeric roofing compound that gets a lot use for scenery texture. Used a lot at Tri-Cities Opera FWIW. Check with their TD. It's from Plastic Coatings Inc. in West Virginia. 304.755.9151 Comes white, gray, lt. gray several consistencies. Steve Rees SUNY-Fredonia ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <155.3edb3a2a.2e75ca50 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 11:50:40 EDT Subject: Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts IA local 470 offers "Bad Stagehand, No Donut" shirts that are popular. My hubby often wears his "Raytheon Aircraft" polo when flying and seems to get better treatment than when he wears his "Fly 'til you Die!" shirt from Iron Crown Games' "Silent Death" game. He also likes it when he gets CDs rather than t-shirts at gigs. My personal favorites are 1 a soft-sided "personal cooler" (lunch box size) that folds flat. I use it when I travel as a portable ice chest. Holds a six pack and ice. From a hairdresser I often work with. 2. First aid kits (small pouch with several items inside.) From local hospital and several other sources. 3. A golden coffen lock wrench, from the state funeral director's convention 4. nice pens (not the 19 cent BicStick ones... and if you want people to get ahold of you, put your phone number/email/URL on it too!) I love the one from Nunsense that says "Penmanship counts!" I offer lipstick shaped pens to my customers. Always get a great response from them! They are short enough to carry in a pants pocket and have a thick barrell so your hand isn't cramped if writing for a long time. Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:06:40 -0400 Subject: Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I work for a not-for-profit theatre and I always give everyone involved with the production a photo CD of all the photos that I shoot for the production. There are often 400-500 photos on the final CD. I include tech photos since the tech folk are often left out of publicity and production photos. Each CD includes a list of all these folks. Helps folks later when they can't remember who worked on what. I often will include a contact list with folks and their email addresses. Of course, one copy goes to each of our staff and one for archives. Works great for us. Steve on 9/12/04 11:50 AM, MissWisc [at] aol.com at MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > IA local 470 offers "Bad Stagehand, No Donut" shirts that are popular. > > My hubby often wears his "Raytheon Aircraft" polo when flying and seems to > get better treatment than when he wears his "Fly 'til you Die!" shirt from > Iron > Crown Games' "Silent Death" game. He also likes it when he gets CDs rather > than t-shirts at gigs. > > My personal favorites are > 1 a soft-sided "personal cooler" (lunch box size) that folds flat. I use it > when I travel as a portable ice chest. Holds a six pack and ice. From a > hairdresser I often work with. > 2. First aid kits (small pouch with several items inside.) From local > hospital and several other sources. > 3. A golden coffen lock wrench, from the state funeral director's convention > 4. nice pens (not the 19 cent BicStick ones... and if you want people to get > ahold of you, put your phone number/email/URL on it too!) I love the one from > Nunsense that says "Penmanship counts!" I offer lipstick shaped pens to my > customers. Always get a great response from them! They are short enough to > carry > in a pants pocket and have a thick barrell so your hand isn't cramped if > writing for a long time. > > Kristi > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:33:00 -0400 Subject: Re: storm From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Robert P. Robins wrote: > And the hint is.........? > could it be that people should not live here? > How about California, the Midwest, the Northeast, the Southwest, Japan, > Australia, India, China, the Northwest....... > Where is there a place on Earth that nature never shows just who is in > charge? Florida gets Hurricanes. California gets forest fires and earthquakes. Kansas gets tornadoes. The worst we in Central New York get is an occasional ice storm that may knock out power for a few days. With a kerosene heater and a couple of sweaters I'm fine. I'd rather be here! -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:02:15 -0400 Subject: Re: waterproof sealer for cardboard? From: Bruce Purdy Cc: buffobob [at] yahoo.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Robert Bellwrote: > > I'm presently building twenty-seven gravestones out of cardboard > and paper maiche with wooden bases. My client is supplying the > dictated materials and wants a product that can be reused year > after year. They will not be left out over night but need to be able > to stand up to evening dew, maybe more. I'm hoping the list can > suggest a sealer that would be at least fairly weatherproof and take > tinting. I can be contacted off list at buffobob [at] yahoo.com. It sounds like you are building for a Halloween haunted house. Is there a reason that you might be committed to paper mache? I have found excellent results building tombstones out of sheets of Styrofoam. They can look more realistic than paper mache, will last longer, and are already waterproof! If you haven't tried it before, there are numerous Halloween sites on the web that describe the process. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <8a.14d5223e.2e75dbf2 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:05:54 EDT Subject: Re: Spetember 11 In a message dated 9/11/04 6:00:51 PM, Bsapsis [at] aol.com writes: << If you are referring to the daughter who was arrested during the RNC protests, that was my daughter, thank you very much. And what she was doing was, along with a large number of friends, shutting down the Brooklyn Bridge. Bill S. (proud papa) >> ahhhhhh, I can relate, , , I actually remember what tear gas smells like, , , congrats, , , : - ) very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, FL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:06:35 -0400 Subject: Re: waterproof sealer for cardboard? From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I recently built a tombstone using luan face and rear with 1 x 3 spacers. Cut out the inscriptions covered the inside with orange gel and placed a small wattage lamp inside. Lettering lights up. Eerie and fun. Steve on 9/12/04 1:02 PM, Bruce Purdy at bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Robert Bellwrote: >> >> I'm presently building twenty-seven gravestones out of cardboard >> and paper maiche with wooden bases. My client is supplying the >> dictated materials and wants a product that can be reused year >> after year. They will not be left out over night but need to be able >> to stand up to evening dew, maybe more. I'm hoping the list can >> suggest a sealer that would be at least fairly weatherproof and take >> tinting. I can be contacted off list at buffobob [at] yahoo.com. > > It sounds like you are building for a Halloween haunted house. > > Is there a reason that you might be committed to paper mache? I have > found excellent results building tombstones out of sheets of Styrofoam. They > can look more realistic than paper mache, will last longer, and are already > waterproof! > > If you haven't tried it before, there are numerous Halloween sites on > the web that describe the process. > > Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:56:51 -0400 From: Dactyldude [at] aol.com Subject: ETC Emphasis and moving lights? Message-ID: <1A54DF41.01E151CE.0AC570E3 [at] aol.com> Hi all, I am now working in a new venue that has a new etc emphasis lightboard connected to an ETCNet and the works. Anyway, my old job had an old ETC Microvision FX still running on amx 192, now I am on DMX512. So....now I want to buy 4 to 6 moving lights. My question is, what moving lights would be easiest to setup and run with the emphasis, and be high school user friendly? Also, I would be interested in purchasing used instruments, NOT ABUSED. If you have some or know of anyone selling some used intelligent light fixtures I'd be interested. Hope to hear from some of you. Thanks Dan ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:01:01 EDT Subject: Re: Remotely firing a pistol In a message dated 12/09/04 05:36:59 GMT Daylight Time, jea00321 [at] yahoo.com writes: > Are you picking up techs at each venue? If you are, > why no one consistent SM calling cues? I know my > ranting is no help in the remote firing department, > but I have never been a big fan of relying on the > talent to actually trigger a cue. Which, undoubtedly > shows my bias, since I am a stage manager/tech. I keep > thinking that if you have the resources to come up > with an RF rig, you could afford someone to call a > cue, or take a cue, or fire an offstage gun, or hit an > offstage slapstick, or whatever. Regardless of SM philosophy, the problem is timing. When you pull the trigger of a gun, it goes 'bang'. Immediately. That is what is being tried to be done. There just isn't time for the SM to see that the trigger has ben pulled, call the cue, and have the sound OP react. Hence the RF trigger, which is not difficult or expensive. The best answer is to fire a blank cartridge, always, but this is ruled out. It is rather like doing a thunderstorm. By all means call the lightning, if its timing is important, but the sound has to follow it. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:11:50 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Remotely firing a pistol In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > Regardless of SM philosophy, the problem is timing. When you pull the > trigger of a gun, it goes 'bang'. Immediately. That is what is being tried to be > done. There just isn't time for the SM to see that the trigger has ben pulled, > call the cue, and have the sound OP react. Hence the RF trigger, which is not > difficult or expensive. Yep. We were involved with a show (Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Show at Disney/MGM Studios in 1989) where a machine gun mounted on a jeep sent fired multiple flame bursts to correspond with each 'shot'. Each time the gun shot a flame (which of course repeated quickly just like the machine gun it was), an RF trigger fired which then fired the sound effect which was then relayed back via radio link to a receiver on the jeep and the sound of the shot was played over a loudspeaker right next to the machine gun on the jeep plus the sounds of ricocheting bullets played around the multiple loudspeakers surrounding the audience. Also, the RF trigger set off air pocket effects that were strategically placed on the large deck around the facility which blew corn starch into the air, simulating bullet hits. We were also involved in the Universal Studios 'Wild Wild Wild West' stunt show which used similar effects but were triggered by the sound of the blank being fired at a weathervane rather than an RF trigger. Both worked extremely well. Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com + +---- "Performance for the Long Run" ----- "Creativity in Control" ----+ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Remotely firing a pistol References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:23:16 -0400 From: "Nicholas Kuhl" In-Reply-To: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:11:50 +0100 (BST), Charlie Richmond wrote: > Yep. We were involved with a show (Indiana Jones Epic Stunt >Show at > Disney/MGM Studios in 1989) I just wanted to say thank you for making my childhood a more wondrous time. I loved that show. I saw it at least four or five times. Amazingly cool stuff. Nick Kuhl ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001e01c498f9$19e8c3a0$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Sealer et al. Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 08:48:30 -1000 < suggest a sealer that would be at least fairly weatherproof and take tinting.>> Sno Roof Coating (sp) or similar will work swell... as will any of the water based polyurethane varnishes. >> "Top Ten Uses for a Stage Weight.">> Toe enlarger? Finger Flattener? <> Maybe so but hippopotamuses is in common use and this list is many things but not formal. Laters, Paul "I must stop chewing my pillow" said Tom, a little down in the mouth. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003801c498fb$5f912ee0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Remotely firing a pistol Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:04:47 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Kuhl" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: Re: Remotely firing a pistol > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:11:50 +0100 (BST), Charlie Richmond > wrote: > > > Yep. We were involved with a show (Indiana Jones Epic Stunt >Show at > > Disney/MGM Studios in 1989) > > I just wanted to say thank you for making my childhood a more wondrous > time. I loved that show. I saw it at least four or five times. > Amazingly cool stuff. > > Nick Kuhl > Sadly, when we went to this last month, they had a medical emergency in the audience just after the first sequence - it held up the show until the rains came and then they had to cancel the performance! So we missed the rest! Have seen it before, but the kids hadn't, so a shame. Never got round to going back. 8-(( Never found out what the medical problem was, either..... Ynot ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <01B1C7F2-04F8-11D9-AFB8-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:12:01 -0500 > Which companies/organizations have the coolest shirts/SWAG? My favorites include: ETC's T-shirt in a "cube" I got it at USITT in Minneapolis. You have to see it to believe it. Uncle Bill's suction cup clock. (howz that for suckin up) cd's from anyone. Clever: The Flying Karamozov Brothers T-shirt. The same logo as the ones sold to the public but black shirt with gray printing in reverse (the screen was placed upside down I would image) One of my all time favorites Alabama's color coded load out shirts. Each department gets a different color so the road crew knows who is working for which department. Just plain dumb: I never quite understood the bungee cord lanyard from Wenger. NEVER keep a Megawrench on the end of one of those. Possibly a lethal combination. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <63C8E6BC-04F8-11D9-AFB8-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Knot more! Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:14:45 -0500 > And finally, anyone know how to tie an icicle hitch, or have pictures? > It's > also relatively new (20th c.), and named because it's supposed to > cinch down > tight enough to hold if tied to an icicle. I love that hitch! I wish I didn't have to look it up everytime I go to use it. (It's not that hard I just don't use it enough to remember it). I have tied it to a chrome mic stand and have not been able to get it to slip even with two people hanging on it. Geoffrey Budworth's book has really clear pictures. (I got the $5 clearance version at Borders a couple of years ago) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c498fd$85407b80$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 12:20:09 -0700 > Just plain dumb: > I never quite understood the bungee cord lanyard from Wenger. NEVER keep > a Megawrench on the end of one of those. Possibly a lethal combination. Why is it that the words "Wenger" and "lethal" frequently end up in close proximity? ;) -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:27:29 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Remotely firing a pistol In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sun, 12 Sep 2004, Nicholas Kuhl wrote: > I loved that show. I saw it at least four or five times. Amazingly cool > stuff. I saw it many more times than that and it was always entertaining. ;-) Charlie + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd - Aura Show Control Ltd + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com -- http://www.AuraShowControl.com + +---- "Performance for the Long Run" ----- "Creativity in Control" ----+ ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <7d.58173bc9.2e75fea8 [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 15:34:00 EDT Subject: Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts Production Arts, which, until recently, was Fourth Phase but is now PRG (or something like that) used to have a T-shirt that on the back said "same day service" with the a in 'same' crossed out and an 'o' just above it. Did a nightclub in Cleveland for Joe Zamore a zillion years ago. There were mule blocks and lift cables all over the place. Made a spider web look simple. He had the plot printed on the back of a T-shirt. It was pretty cool. And, if I may pat myself on the back just this once, the very first shirts I came out with, back in '85-86 with the Chinese writing on the back that said "Heads!" was pretty cool too. I liked the front of those even better than the back. Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <147CF8DFB9C5D41187300001FA7EE39011EDC635 [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu> From: "Immel,Patrick" Subject: Hazer Placement Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 16:03:56 -0500 I have a hazer that I would like to use for an upcoming show. I have used it in the past with less than desireable results. What comes out is closer to fog than haze. I've tried intensity adjustments with no luck. Would it be better to have the hazer high or low? Does anybody use a fan to direct the haze? Any suggestions would be appreciated! Pat Immel Northwest Missouri State University ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040912141107.02b690c0 [at] localhost> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 14:15:32 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Light a fire from afar In-Reply-To: References: At 10:28 PM 8/31/2004, you wrote: >On Aug 28, 2004, at 6:01 AM, Stagecraft wrote: > >>>So I was thinking about using primer cord because of the desired speed >>>of ignition but PC isn't real spectacular to watch, so I thought about >>>magnesium ribbon which would be spectacular to watch but not produce >>>the desired speed. >and of course, since I doubt you have a construction/demolition/explosives >permit, that some mighty BIG flags are going to go up when you try to by >some primer cord! After all, wasn't it that scout leader somewhere that >got busted trying to make his own Ricin? >hmmm... >Does sound cool though, let us know how you did it! Something to look into (assuming you have permits) is Shock Tube. It's clear plastic tubing that's got a microscopic coating inside of RDX. There's so little explosive in it that I believe it is still listed as UPS shippable. It makes a VERY bright white flash when it goes off. Since RDX is a high explosive (1.1), you will need a shockwave to light it (you can burn the tubing, hit it with a hammer, etc. and it will NOT go off), but there are pyrotechnics people that make adaptors for this and even mufflers for the other end of the tube so you don't get the CRACK if you need it quieter. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com pgp: 45A2 0A52 1D56 70C2 B865 9D5C 83F2 2112 04CE 2B54 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002201c49911$d30e73d0$0a01a8c0 [at] Tony> From: "Tony Deeming" References: Subject: Re: Hazer Placement Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:45:30 +0100 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Immel,Patrick" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:03 PM Subject: Hazer Placement > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have a hazer that I would like to use for an upcoming show. I have used > it in the past with less than desireable results. What comes out is closer > to fog than haze. I've tried intensity adjustments with no luck. Would it > be better to have the hazer high or low? Does anybody use a fan to direct > the haze? > > Any suggestions would be appreciated! > > Pat Immel The result can depend much on the type of hazer you have. This is one piece of kit that truly does seem to give better effect the more you pay for it! However, yes, a fan can help - essentially you need to dissipate the haze quickly and over a wide area to get the best sort of semi- 'invisible' effect. I have in the past pointed the haze at an off-stage wall/flat with a fan directing it back at the stage. If the hazer is far enough off stage, you can try sending it through a fan as well. Another good idea is to run the machine behind scenery (eg groundrows) and let it rise from there. Hope this helps. Ynot ------------------------------ From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: RE: Knot more! Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:51:16 -0400 Organization: ETSU Message-ID: <000001c49912$a1e0c5a0$6400a8c0 [at] delbert> In-Reply-To: What is *hard* and inconvenient about tying the icicle hitch is that it is tied with the working end of the rope, not the dead end like most hitches. This means that 1) you must estimate the length of rope you will need for both the knot and to hang the load, 2) it can be a pain to tie if you need a long length of rope to run to the load, and 3) you cannot have the load attached to the working end as you tie the knot (you first have to tie the icicle hitch, and then attach the load to the working end. I prefer the snuggle hitch to the icicle hitch. It holds nearly as well, and is MUCH easier and faster to tie. Besides, I seldom need to tie anything to an icicle. I can't agree more about Budworth's book. Great book. -Delbert -----Original Message----- > And finally, anyone know how to tie an icicle hitch, or have pictures? > It's > also relatively new (20th c.), and named because it's supposed to > cinch down > tight enough to hold if tied to an icicle. I love that hitch! I wish I didn't have to look it up everytime I go to use it. (It's not that hard I just don't use it enough to remember it). I have tied it to a chrome mic stand and have not been able to get it to slip even with two people hanging on it. Geoffrey Budworth's book has really clear pictures. (I got the $5 clearance version at Borders a couple of years ago) ------------------------------ From: "Kevin Patrick" Subject: Flexible JC Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:17:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Question about filling holes and gaps when using stock lauan covered Hollywood flats: do others mix latex paint with joint compound to make a mixture that smoothes and flexes? Is there something else I should be looking to use? These are not muslin covered, so dutchman, tapes, and other added layers are out. ... |< Kevin Patrick Designer/TD Theatre.colstate.edu --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 9/10/2004 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Brian Aldous Subject: Re: storm Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 07:03:27 +0800 > Robert P. Robins wrote: > And the hint is.........? > could it be that people should not live here? > How about California, the Midwest, the Northeast, the Southwest, Japan, > Australia, India, China, the Northwest....... > Where is there a place on Earth that nature never shows just who is in > charge? > > Brian, > I hope you are in a place that you can live with no worry of nature > showing the fury of a storm or tornado or earthquake or flood or > volcano > or snow or freezing temperatures or scathing heat or seas that destroy > or......... > > There is the question of how much does humankind have a bearing on all > this, but I don't think this is the forum for that discussion. > > You are right, and I apologize for trying to make a joke, particularly on this day of the year (Sept. 11), because who am I to talk? I live considerably less than 1350 feet from the footprint of the South Tower, have for ten years, got away with 95% of my skin intact that day but moved right back into my home a week later even though the air there was still (as we now know) toxic. To each toad his own hole. BA ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040912174719.01835b78 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 17:47:19 From: CB Subject: Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts >>> "Top Ten Uses for a Stage Weight." > >so what would those be? inquiring minds want to know. And are you referring to the weights they use to counterbalance the scenery on an arbor, or the management type person that keeps showing up shouting instructions that have no basis in the currently shared reality? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:43:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Hazer Placement From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Pat, Try to put the Hazer on the opposite side of the stage from the cold air return so the HVAC system naturally pulls the haze across the stage. Also try using a fan to blow the haze straight up. Home depot sells a 2.5' diameter or so fan on a base that allows you to point it straight up. Elevate the hazer on a case so the have blows over the fan and into the air stream. It takes a little longer before you see the haze but usually this makes the haze smoother. Also you didn't mention your machine type. I am guessing it is a water based type based on the description. If so it has been my experience that you always have to use a fan to disperse the haze with a water based unit. I hope that helps you. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:50:25 -0500 Subject: Re: ETC Emphasis and moving lights? From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hello Dan, My experience with Emphasis and moving lights has shown me that the more simple the moving light the easier it is to learn to operate and program. Look for a light that has 1 gobo wheel and 1 color wheel and uses a separate channel of DMX for gobo rotation. The Coemar pro spot 250 fixtures come to mind as well as the High End Systems Technobeams. Vari*Lite VL1000 would also work nicely but might be out of your budget range. You might want to poke through the Emphasis libraries and play with the moving lights in the system before you go out and make a purchase. They are all there for you to play with virtually. Good luck. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040912180502.01835b78 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:05:02 From: CB Subject: Re: Grund Audio Design >Chris, >This sounds like your going to be a dealer for the big "P" word. I don't want to sell anything that has been processed, process anything to be sold... Dealer is out of the question, except in the case that the tactical stage gear line I've been thinking about pans out. I'm a firm believer in telling it like it is. If a company sells crap, I let folk know. If a company sells decent working gear at an affordable price that does as advertised, I let folk know that as well. Peavey hasn't really got a great reputation, but there stuff is a bit of a gamble (not Gamble). Some of the stuff they make is great, some of it is shite. You need to know the specs, know the gear, and know what you want. Like shopping at Rat Shack. Most of their stuff is crap, but there was a short while that Shure was making their Highball Mics. The Shure badged was $78 while the one with the RS logo was only $38. I didn't give a damn whose logo was on it back then, I just bought 'em as cheap as I could. There isn't a whole lot of difference between a Shure mic and the same mic with an RS logo on it, short of $40. When Duracell was making Rat Shack batteries (basically a pro-cell with an RS wrapper) I bought those too. Logos are for the fashion whores. Guts tell the truth. My favorite example of this was when I was moving a friend to his new digs in Normal OK. We waited two days for them to open I-10 between Las Cruces and Tucson. Believe it or don't, it was closed because of ice. By the time we got to Las Cruces, we were freezing. We saw one of the first convenience store cappucino machines, and we were tempted. I thought that it would be really difficult to mechanize the process to make a decent capp, and my buddy decided we should just try it to see if it was any good. He pulled one and headed off to the counter. I grabbed the face and cracked it open. Inside was a hopper of 'magic cappucino dust' and a funnel. When the button was pushed, the hopper shook the magic dust into the funnel, and hot water was shot into the side of the funnel, mixing the 'capp'. I decided it wasn't for me, purist bastard that I am about my coffee. It entertained the clerk no end. He asked what we do, and then said, "Yup, I knew that he was a technical type and you were an artist by the way you approced finding out if you like those or not! At least one of the listers will remember what year this was, it was the year that Web told you about me doing donuts on the quad at OU in a Penske truck... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040912181128.01835b78 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:11:28 From: CB Subject: borderlining on OT: t-shirts >I kinda liked the IA local 69 Kangaroo shirts... What does Memphis TN and kangaroos have in common? Or, have I mixed up my locals again? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <147CF8DFB9C5D41187300001FA7EE39011EDC637 [at] mail.nwmissouri.edu> From: "Immel,Patrick" Subject: RE: Hazer Placement Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:12:58 -0500 Tracy, et al, I am using a Le Maitre Neutron XS hazer, which uses water based fluid. Thanks for all the suggestions, Pat Immel -----Original Message----- From: Fitch, Tracy To: Immel,Patrick Sent: 9/12/2004 7:26 PM Subject: RE: Hazer Placement Pat, yep, they suck. The only thing worse than using a hazer is not using one. What variety are you using? I've had major problems with some of the fog/hazer models as they all seem to really be foggers that the manufacturer thinks can be set to a low enough output to be haze. I had my best success with one of those using one of the rosco fog chiller systems (not really as a chiller, I just used it because it was what I had). This is the one that is really a giant cooler with a stand-off away from the mouth of the fog/hazer. Then it has a hose that comes out the other end. I took that unit and set a small desktop fan in there about midway through to direct the haze out the other end. Then I left the top open some so it could pull in some outside air. That seemed to do the trick giving the best air/haze mix so it became much more subtle. The best ones I've ever used are the MDG Atmospheres. They're really quiet and small, but they require a CO2 bottle to work. I guess everything has to have some drawback. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of > Immel,Patrick > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 5:04 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Hazer Placement > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have a hazer that I would like to use for an upcoming show. I have used > it in the past with less than desireable results. What comes out is > closer > to fog than haze. I've tried intensity adjustments with no luck. Would > it > be better to have the hazer high or low? Does anybody use a fan to direct > the haze? > > Any suggestions would be appreciated! > > Pat Immel > Northwest Missouri State University ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:15:57 -0400 Subject: Re: Hazer Placement From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > The best ones I've ever used are the MDG Atmospheres. They're really > quiet and small, but they require a CO2 bottle to work. We use the MDG on all of the "Chicago" productions, and they very quickly produce a terrifically beautiful haze that hangs for a long time. All we do is put a fan in front of it to direct the haze towards the stage or wherever gives us the best dispersal depending on the HVAC air flow. - John McKernon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 23:19:33 -0400 From: BACatlarge [at] aol.com Subject: Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts Message-ID: <1DDB78DE.32EFC7A7.09A02DF2 [at] aol.com> There are a lot of great show shirts out there, but my personal favorite is the one from the Joffrey Ballet's version of Romeo and Juliet. The front had the small Joffrey logo of a dancer in a leap, but with a knife stuck through her. The back said 'If she stabbed herself now, we could all go to the movies'. -- Brooke Carlson Automation Carpenter, Lion King Cheetah Tour IATSE Local 50 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4144D3A7.17475.346C16F8 [at] localhost> From: "Michael Denison" Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2004 22:54:31 -0500 Subject: Re: borderlining on OT: t-shirts In-Reply-To: One of my students said her boyfriend had a shirt that said, "F*** with me and you dance in the dark. Michael A. Denison Technical Director Cottey College 1000 West Austin Nevada, MO 64772 (417) 667-8181 x 2265 FAX: (417) 667-8103 mdenison [at] cottey.edu www.cottey.edu ------------------------------ From: "Simon Shuker" Subject: RE: storm Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:14:50 +0400 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20040913051508.C720B593D [at] mail05.powweb.com> Dubai? It gets a bit hot but that's about all! -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Purdy Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 8:33 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: storm For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Robert P. Robins wrote: > And the hint is.........? > could it be that people should not live here? > How about California, the Midwest, the Northeast, the Southwest, > Japan, Australia, India, China, the Northwest....... > Where is there a place on Earth that nature never shows just who is in > charge? Florida gets Hurricanes. California gets forest fires and earthquakes. Kansas gets tornadoes. The worst we in Central New York get is an occasional ice storm that may knock out power for a few days. With a kerosene heater and a couple of sweaters I'm fine. I'd rather be here! -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #131 *****************************