Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2) with PIPE id 4494069; Thu, 23 Sep 2004 03:00:35 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #141 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 03:00:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, FREE_TRIAL autolearn=ham version=3.0.0-pre4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0-pre4 (2004-08-04) on prxy.net X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4a3 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #141 1. Re: Semi trailer questions by Dale Farmer 2. Re: Simple set realization software? by "Dave Tosti-Lane" 3. Re: pipe storage by Dale Farmer 4. Re: Acer Laptops by "Sandra Hunter" 5. Re: Toshiba shutting down (was: Acer Laptops) by Charlie Richmond 6. Re: Toshiba shutting down (was: Acer Laptops) by "Sandra Hunter" 7. lightbulb by Judy 8. Re: lightbulb by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 9. Re: lightbulb by Fred Fisher 10. Re: lightbulb by Bsapsis [at] aol.com 11. Re: Simple set realization software? by Boyd Ostroff 12. Re: lightbulb by Mark O'Brien 13. Re: lightbulb by "Mike Rock" 14. Re: lightbulb by "Randy Whitcomb" 15. Re: lightbulb by James Feinberg 16. Re: lightbulb by Fred Fisher 17. Re: lightbulb by Mark O'Brien 18. Re: lightbulb by James Feinberg 19. Re: lightbulb by "will kent" 20. FS - Railway Children Set by "Tony Deeming" 21. Re: lightbulb by Mark O'Brien 22. Re: Car speakers as pa system by Jerry Durand 23. 2nd longest lightbulb by "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" 24. Re: lightbulb by "Jon Ares" 25. Re: lightbulb by Charlie Richmond 26. 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Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <4151A6FD.C084D6AC [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:23:25 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Semi trailer questions References: Greg Persinger wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Try Looking up the following entertainment trucking companies: > > Road Show 1-800-861-3111 > Show moves > Stage Call > Upstaging 847-949-4900 > > Sorry I only had two phone numbers on hand but the others should be easy to > find. > > In my touring experience with theaters, convention centers and arenas, we > never had wheel chokes unless the venue required them and then they provided > them, BUT the trailers were also never dropped. > > I would suspect if you were dropping the trailers you would want to chok the > wheels. > > All of the above companies are great to work with. If you let them know your > need for wheel choks while developing the contract they will be sure to > supply them for you. In the US, OSHA requires wheel chocks on trucks that are actively being unloaded at a loading dock or other fixed structure that looks like a loading dock. If you are using a fork lift that is driving onto the truck to pick up and move stuff, then I'd absolutely use chocks. Reason is that if the ground is slippery or the trucks brakes are not properly set, the mass of the fork truck and loads moving around inside the trailer will tend to shift the trailer away from the dock. Eventually the thing slides far enough away that the leveler plate falls out, usually when the fork truck is running over it, dropping said fork truck and operator down into the gap. This sort of incident does tend to ruin ones day. On a similar truck safety issue, if working an unhooked trailer, put a post under the trailers nose. If they loaded some heavy stuff up in the nose, and you have a heavy fork lift up there trying to pick up that heavy shit, you run a risk of overbalancing the trailer and tipping it forward. This would also be, as they say, a bad thing. I've never seen this happen myself, but until a couple months ago, I'd never seen a truss failure either. Just seen the pictures and read the accident reports. Learn from other people's mistakes too. --Dale ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Simple set realization software? Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 09:23:57 -0700 Message-ID: <4F817A7A53C7F448BF62014A3A91B1C0010F12C6 [at] sasha.cornish.edu> From: "Dave Tosti-Lane" <) I'm 100% in favor of modern tools, I rely heavily on both AutoCAD and = VectorWorks myself, and generally work in full 3D in both, but = sometimes, when I really want to quickly go from thought to something on = paper, I still haul out that older "digital" drawing tool, the pencil. Dave Tosti-Lane, Chair Performance Production Cornish College of the Arts www.cornish.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4151A9C1.C5B75210 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:35:13 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: pipe storage References: James Feinberg wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have what may be a silly question about steel pipe. > > At my theatre, we have a small collection of 1.5" schedule 40 steel > pipe in lengths up to 21 feet. They're currently stored lying down. > In order to make them more accessible (and to free up that floor > space), I'm considering a vertical storage solution that would > basically involve leaning them in a corner (with adequate chains, > etc., to keep them from falling over). > > My question is, do I need to worry about the pipe bowing or warping > under it's own weight, since it will effectively only be supported at > the two ends? > > Now that I've written it out, this seems silly, but I'm going to ask > it anyway. It would really suck to think it was fine and then to > discover that all of my pipe was bowed after six months. Don't worry about bending the pipe. More likely to bend if stored horizontally on a rack of some sort. I'd construct some sort of support with a couple of separate compartments for the pipe. This allows you to segragate the pipes reasonable groups for your use, and reduces the chance that a clumsy stagehand will tip the entire collection over onto your head. Take a look at industrial material handling catalogs for pipe storage systems. Even if you don't buy them, you can get good ideas for your solution. --Dale ------------------------------ From: "Sandra Hunter" Subject: RE: Acer Laptops Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:05:59 -0500 Organization: Sandra Message-ID: <0BBE1CD9BA96CA45B034A0963BB494F707EE12 [at] server.Ghosheh.local> In-Reply-To: Hello Guys, Now let's look at the situation. When a computer, any computer, shuts down on its own, there are a couple of things you should look at: 1. Overheating: A good portion of the electricity a computer uses winds = up as heat. Desktops and laptops have cooling fans and heat-sinks that are designed to keep the processor, the power supply and other components relatively "cool". If the cooling system is not working properly, then = the computer system will heat up beyond the trigger point and it will = shutdown. To test for this, feel the laptop's case for excessive heat. If it = feels too hot to the touch, then it is possible that you have a cooling system failure. 2. Defective power management: Laptops have power management to = minimize battery usage. If there is a defective component in this sub-system, = then it may trigger the shutdown even if you are connected to the power = outlet. 3. Defective keyboard: Each key on the keyboard sends a specific signal = to the keyboard controller on the system board. If you have a defective keyboard, then you really have no control over what signals are sent to = the keyboard controller. Therefore, a combination of key strokes may = generate the wrong signal that the controller interprets as a shut down or a = standby command. If your external keyboard works, then that is a solution as = long as it is convenient. If the external keyboard is cumbersome, purchase a "Gyration" wireless keyboard. It is small and convenient. 4. Corrupt Windows Installation: This one might be hard to pinpoint. Windows is a complex grouping of smaller programs that "ought" to work together to reasonably control the hardware. It does not take much to confuse the computer. A corrupt system file, driver file, application = file could cause unpredictable behavior. The bottom line is that the cost of investigating and repairing the = computer should NEVER be more that 30% of the cost to purchase a newer computer = for desktops, and no more than 25% for laptops. Through out my years of consulting and Technology Coaching I found that some people still make = the error of fixing an old computer that is not worth the money. Most = service centers will charge about $90 to diagnose the computer. If you are = willing to spend that much to investigate the problem, then do it. I would not spend any money on a computer that is 2 years old or older. You can buy = a good new laptop for about $1000. I recommend purchasing from a local = store that has a local repair center staffed by real humans. You can purchase from a mail order house if you stay with the big houses such as Dell. I hope this helps. Some times the doctor give us news that we = don't want to hear. Nevertheless, we need to know. Have a great day. Haitham Ghosheh Technology Coach haitham [at] thecoachingexperience.net www.thecoachingexperience.net -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Mark O'Brien Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 10:52 AM To: Stagecraft Cc: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Acer Laptops For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > My Toshiba likes to just shut down as well. Again, no warning, no > reason, no scandisk, NOTHING. > > It is getting to be to annoying to even use. > > Some people thought it was norton, I thought it was XP, Who the hell > knows? > > Toshiba never wanted anything to do with it. I can't afford to fix something, that I do not know what's wrong with=20 that is worth very little, that cost a lot of money sort of thing. Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Sep 8, 2004, at 8:20 AM, Charlie Richmond wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 8 Sep 2004, Russel Drapkin wrote: > >> Wow.. I must have had a lemon then. I had the power relay go bad >> within the >> first two months of owning it, followed a little over a year later by = >> the >> one of the memory slots going bad. AFTER the warranty was up,=20 >> naturally. So >> that'll be the last time I buy from them. > > Since this is under the subject "Acer laptops" it would be useful to > have you clarify if this is an Acer you are referring to (and if it's=20 > a response to my message about the keys on our Acer... ;-) > > But while I was in the middle of typing the above on my Toshiba, the > standard 'Toshiba' crash occurred. I don't get to use the Acer partly=20 > because of this weird Toshiba quirk and I can usually deal with=20 > recovering from the situation more easily (well, let's just say I put=20 > up with it....) Here's what my Toshiba Satellite 3000 notebook does: > > While I'm typing (and I type quite quickly) on the built-in keyboard I > quite frequently type a combination of keys in quick succession that=20 > causes the computer to INSTANTLY shut down! In fact, I've never=20 > figured out what the keystrokes are that cause this because I cannot=20 > duplicate it except when I'm just typing furiously and not thinking=20 > about it. Nor does any other single key do the same thing, including=20 > the power key, which causes the unit to go into a controlled,=20 > systematic power down sequence that is faster than the normal 'Turn=20 > off Computer' command. > > No, this causes the computer to instantaneously shut off and appear > just like it does when it is completely powered down. In fact, it=20 > seems to shut off so quickly that it usually doesn't even trigger=20 > Windows 2000 to think that the computer was shut down abnormally when=20 > I restart it, which makes things easier usually because it usually=20 > just starts up normal - OMG!!! it just happened again when I typed=20 > the 'ly' that should have been on the end of 'normal'. I can tell you = > nothing is more frustrating than this and I usually use a separate USB = > keyboard with this computer instead of the built-in one just because=20 > of this. But I'm on the road right now and don't have it with me... > > Anyway, I guess there are duds in every manufacturer's line and you > just have to be lucky to some extent ;-) > > Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:25:02 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Toshiba shutting down (was: Acer Laptops) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Sandra Hunter wrote: > Now let's look at the situation. When a computer, any computer, > shuts down on its own, there are a couple of things you should look at: > > 1. Overheating: A good portion of the electricity a computer uses winds up > as heat. Desktops and laptops have cooling fans and heat-sinks that are > designed to keep the processor, the power supply and other components > relatively "cool". If the cooling system is not working properly, then the > computer system will heat up beyond the trigger point and it will shutdown. > To test for this, feel the laptop's case for excessive heat. If it feels > too hot to the touch, then it is possible that you have a cooling system > failure. > > 2. Defective power management: Laptops have power management to minimize > battery usage. If there is a defective component in this sub-system, then > it may trigger the shutdown even if you are connected to the power outlet. > > 3. Defective keyboard: Each key on the keyboard sends a specific signal to > the keyboard controller on the system board. If you have a defective > keyboard, then you really have no control over what signals are sent to the > keyboard controller. Therefore, a combination of key strokes may generate > the wrong signal that the controller interprets as a shut down or a standby > command. If your external keyboard works, then that is a solution as long > as it is convenient. If the external keyboard is cumbersome, purchase a > "Gyration" wireless keyboard. It is small and convenient. In my case and one other I know of, the symptom has been there since the beginning and is related to hitting a specific keystroke combination from the built-in keyboard and never happens when an external keyboard is connected - I prefer an external keyboard anyway so this is not a huge problem but can't take it with me on trips other than in my own car ;-) But the shutdown procedure in this case is different from all others I am familiar with since it instantly turns off the computer without going through even the most cursory 'shutdown' procedure. > 4. Corrupt Windows Installation: This one might be hard to pinpoint. > Windows is a complex grouping of smaller programs that "ought" to work > together to reasonably control the hardware. It does not take much to > confuse the computer. A corrupt system file, driver file, application file > could cause unpredictable behavior. > > The bottom line is that the cost of investigating and repairing the computer > should NEVER be more that 30% of the cost to purchase a newer computer for > desktops, and no more than 25% for laptops. Through out my years of > consulting and Technology Coaching I found that some people still make the > error of fixing an old computer that is not worth the money. Most service > centers will charge about $90 to diagnose the computer. If you are willing > to spend that much to investigate the problem, then do it. I would not > spend any money on a computer that is 2 years old or older. You can buy a > good new laptop for about $1000. I recommend purchasing from a local store > that has a local repair center staffed by real humans. You can purchase > from a mail order house if you stay with the big houses such as Dell. We have had more customers have major problems using Dell computers than any other brand. We think this is because they preinstall drivers for the most common office/home devices to make it 'easier' to use but most of the time when our users try to install unusual devices such as SCSI interfaces and AudioBoxes, the Dell insists on installing the wrong driver and the procedure to get it stop doing this is extremely complex. > I hope this helps. Some times the doctor give us news that we don't > want to hear. Nevertheless, we need to know. Have a great day. It's good advice, generally, except that theatre has unusual needs much of the time... ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ From: "Sandra Hunter" Subject: RE: Toshiba shutting down (was: Acer Laptops) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:10:38 -0500 Organization: Sandra Message-ID: <0BBE1CD9BA96CA45B034A0963BB494F707EE13 [at] server.Ghosheh.local> In-reply-to: Hi Charlie, I had my husband(the tech coach) write the answer, but I am the one = more familiar with the theater.(Although I am just a newbie student) What are = you running? Is it a specialized program? Which ones do you use? If you can = be specific, the problem may be easier to diagnose. Of course, if you are = like me, you just swear and walk away! As you can see, I am still not the = expert my husband is, being the "creative" one in the family! Sandra -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Charlie Richmond Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:25 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Toshiba shutting down (was: Acer Laptops) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Sandra Hunter wrote: > Now let's look at the situation. When a computer, any=20 > computer, shuts down on its own, there are a couple of things you=20 > should look at: > > 1. Overheating: A good portion of the electricity a computer uses=20 > winds up as heat. Desktops and laptops have cooling fans and=20 > heat-sinks that are designed to keep the processor, the power supply=20 > and other components relatively "cool". If the cooling system is not=20 > working properly, then the computer system will heat up beyond the=20 > trigger point and it will shutdown. To test for this, feel the=20 > laptop's case for excessive heat. If it feels too hot to the touch,=20 > then it is possible that you have a cooling system failure. > > 2. Defective power management: Laptops have power management to=20 > minimize battery usage. If there is a defective component in this=20 > sub-system, then it may trigger the shutdown even if you are connected = > to the power outlet. > > 3. Defective keyboard: Each key on the keyboard sends a specific=20 > signal to the keyboard controller on the system board. If you have a=20 > defective keyboard, then you really have no control over what signals=20 > are sent to the keyboard controller. Therefore, a combination of key=20 > strokes may generate the wrong signal that the controller interprets=20 > as a shut down or a standby command. If your external keyboard works, = > then that is a solution as long as it is convenient. If the external=20 > keyboard is cumbersome, purchase a "Gyration" wireless keyboard. It=20 > is small and convenient. In my case and one other I know of, the symptom has been there since the = beginning and is related to hitting a specific keystroke combination = from the=20 built-in keyboard and never happens when an external keyboard is = connected - I=20 prefer an external keyboard anyway so this is not a huge problem but = can't take=20 it with me on trips other than in my own car ;-) But the shutdown procedure in this case is different from all others I = am=20 familiar with since it instantly turns off the computer without going through=20 even the most cursory 'shutdown' procedure. > 4. Corrupt Windows Installation: This one might be hard to pinpoint.=20 > Windows is a complex grouping of smaller programs that "ought" to work = > together to reasonably control the hardware. It does not take much to = > confuse the computer. A corrupt system file, driver file, application = > file could cause unpredictable behavior. > > The bottom line is that the cost of investigating and repairing the=20 > computer should NEVER be more that 30% of the cost to purchase a newer = > computer for desktops, and no more than 25% for laptops. Through out=20 > my years of consulting and Technology Coaching I found that some=20 > people still make the error of fixing an old computer that is not=20 > worth the money. Most service centers will charge about $90 to=20 > diagnose the computer. If you are willing to spend that much to=20 > investigate the problem, then do it. I would not spend any money on a = > computer that is 2 years old or older. You can buy a good new laptop=20 > for about $1000. I recommend purchasing from a local store that has a = > local repair center staffed by real humans. You can purchase from a=20 > mail order house if you stay with the big houses such as Dell. We have had more customers have major problems using Dell computers than = any other brand. We think this is because they preinstall drivers for the = most=20 common office/home devices to make it 'easier' to use but most of the = time when=20 our users try to install unusual devices such as SCSI interfaces and AudioBoxes,=20 the Dell insists on installing the wrong driver and the procedure to get = it stop=20 doing this is extremely complex. > I hope this helps. Some times the doctor give us news that we=20 > don't want to hear. Nevertheless, we need to know. Have a great day. It's good advice, generally, except that theatre has unusual needs much = of the=20 time... ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4151C5E1.7020704 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:35:13 +0200 From: Judy Subject: lightbulb Re the 96 year old lightbulb, a friend wrote me: >What I don't understand is what power source is being >used that has never been interrupted in 96 years? No temporary outages >for thunderstorms and such? Or do they allow for such breaks in >"continuous"? > ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:57:23 EDT Subject: Re: lightbulb In a message dated 9/22/04 2:37:46 PM, kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il writes: << >What I don't understand is what power source is being >used that has never been interrupted in 96 years? No temporary outages >for thunderstorms and such? Or do they allow for such breaks in >"continuous"? >> They've run a line from the power plant. When they say direct, boy do they mean direct. Local power outtages won't affect it, unless, of course, some contract digging a septic tank cuts through it. Bill S. Sapsis Rigging, Inc. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile We stand behind, and under, our work. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:57:06 -0500 From: Fred Fisher Subject: Re: lightbulb In-reply-to: Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040922135500.0232b7b0 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> At 08:35 PM 9/22/2004 +0200, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Re the 96 year old lightbulb, a friend wrote me: > >>What I don't understand is what power source is being >>used that has never been interrupted in 96 years? No temporary outages >>for thunderstorms and such? Or do they allow for such breaks in >>"continuous"? I was also curious about that and I also wondered about how they moved it to the museum without losing power. Fred ------------------------------ From: Bsapsis [at] aol.com Message-ID: <156.400e1a23.2e8326f8 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:05:28 EDT Subject: Re: lightbulb In a message dated 9/22/04 3:04:00 PM, fwfisher [at] wisc.edu writes: << I was also curious about that and I also wondered about how they moved it to the museum without losing power. >> Magic ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:37:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Simple set realization software? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Scott C. Parker wrote: > You might find http://sketchup.com/ interesting. Depends on what you want. True that sketchup lets you quickly make architectural type things that are basically hidden line wireframes with some simple lighting. Maybe it has improved. A couple years ago TDT (USITT magazine) did a review and asked me for input. I did a quick model and made some comments along with others which were included in the article. I was a little disappointed that they quoted the positive things I said about the software but none of the negative things. But I guess that was the slant the author chose to take on this software. Basically, what I disliked was that it forces you to think in terms of line and not space, light and texture. Not sure that's a good thing for beginners personally. You might have a look at Strata's newest version. You can download a free trial copy that (IIRC) is fully functional for a month. I don't think it is any harder to get started with than other software if you just want to do basics. But it has the depth to do much, much more if someone wants to. Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4842F925-0CCD-11D9-8CD4-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: lightbulb Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 12:26:20 -0700 Does anyone remember the Seinfeld, where George buys the frogger machine, with his high score, and has to move it without unplugging it? Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Sep 22, 2004, at 11:57 AM, Fred Fisher wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 08:35 PM 9/22/2004 +0200, you wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Re the 96 year old lightbulb, a friend wrote me: >> >>> What I don't understand is what power source is being >>> used that has never been interrupted in 96 years? No temporary >>> outages >>> for thunderstorms and such? Or do they allow for such breaks in >>> "continuous"? > > I was also curious about that and I also wondered about how they moved > it to the museum without losing power. > Fred ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005e01c4a0e4$1d1660d0$80fea8c0 [at] Fred> From: "Mike Rock" References: Subject: Re: lightbulb Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:38:26 -0500 > --------------------------------------------------- > > Does anyone remember the Seinfeld, where George buys the frogger > machine, with his high score, and has to move it without unplugging it? > > Mark O'Brien Strangly enough I do, only yhte last part where he is actully moving the machine though. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c4a0e3$a73c8c40$0400a8c0 [at] c430576a> From: "Randy Whitcomb" References: Subject: Re: lightbulb Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:35:07 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark O'Brien" > Does anyone remember the Seinfeld, where George buys the frogger > machine, with his high score, and has to move it without unplugging it? That was my first thought as well. BTW Before moving to Colorado our house was an early 20th century farm house in central New York State. The best estimate we had for the age of the dining room light bulb was 50+ years. It wasn't terribly bright, but was still working when we moved 10 years ago. I tried to remove it once to examine it, but it was stuck in the socket. I've heard that the companies who made these bulbs that lasted forever went out of business, because people only bought the product the one time. That's what happens when quality control runs amuck. Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 13:41:43 -0700 From: James Feinberg Subject: Re: lightbulb Did they actually come up with a viable solution to unplugging the unit without losing power? > > Does anyone remember the Seinfeld, where George buys the frogger >> machine, with his high score, and has to move it without unplugging it? >> >> Mark O'Brien > > >Strangly enough I do, only yhte last part where he is actully moving the >machine though. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:05:18 -0500 From: Fred Fisher Subject: Re: lightbulb In-reply-to: Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040922160357.0235d668 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> References: >I've heard that the companies who made these bulbs that lasted forever went >out of business, because people only bought the product the one time. >That's what happens when quality control runs amuck. > >Randy Whitcomb, TD One hundred years ago, it was the practice of electric companies to give bulbs away free. Fred Fisher ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <13C70CA0-0CDD-11D9-A145-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: lightbulb Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:19:24 -0700 As I recall they came up with a electrician friend of Kramer's, he rigged it up and it would have had enough power, except the electrician kept playing the game. George finally was moving it across a busy street ala Frogger. Trying to beat when the power would run out... After a while of this game.... Splat! Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Sep 22, 2004, at 1:41 PM, James Feinberg wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Did they actually come up with a viable solution to unplugging the > unit without losing power? > > >> > Does anyone remember the Seinfeld, where George buys the frogger >>> machine, with his high score, and has to move it without unplugging >>> it? >>> >>> Mark O'Brien >> >> >> Strangly enough I do, only yhte last part where he is actully moving >> the >> machine though. > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200409222131.i8MLV15P023831 [at] gryphon.auspice.net> Subject: Re: lightbulb Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 17:31:01 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Randy Whitcomb" at Sep 22, 2004 02:35:07 PM From: James Feinberg This thread reminds me of one of my favorite catalogs, Rejuvenation. They sell very accurate reproductions of period lighting and door hardware, including light bulbs. Check out http://tinyurl.com/579e9 for things like: MRB1 40 Watt "1890" Bulb 40 watt energy consumption, 8-12 watt equivalent light output, 120 volt This 1890 Thomas Edison replica features a tall, single-loop carbon filament and must be used only in an up or down position (bulb will fail if used horizontally or angled). Note considerable size. Height:5.75" Width:2.75" MRB2 30 Watt Victorian Bulb 30 watt energy consumption, 6-10 watt equivalent light output, 120 volt This smaller anchored double-loop filament in this bulb is typical of those used in the majority of early-20th century lighting. Same size and shape as the MRB3, but with lower light output. Height:4.25" Width:2.5" ------------------------------ From: "will kent" Subject: Re: lightbulb Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:32:40 +0000 Message-ID: I thought the ending was that the machine got hit by a truck beacuse george couldnt get the machine up the curb, not that the power ran out. Will Kent KPS ----Original Message Follows---- From: Mark O'Brien As I recall they came up with a electrician friend of Kramer's, he rigged it up and it would have had enough power, except the electrician kept playing the game. George finally was moving it across a busy street ala Frogger. Trying to beat when the power would run out... After a while of this game.... 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I don't know the contents myself, but I can get a breakdown if anyone is interested, and I would then pass on a direct contact to arrange a viewing and to discuss price etc. What I do know is that it includes a platform section and rail tracks and (if I'm not mistaken) a bit of a full size loco, though I'm not 100% on that front. So - if anyone is interested (UK only unless you have a HUGE boat to ferry it across the waters!) let me know, on or off list and I'll do the necessary. Cheers Ynot ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <0AF2077E-0CEA-11D9-A145-000393897332 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: lightbulb Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:52:12 -0700 Exactly... That episode really hit home because I remember playing it in the local watering hole about 1981 It was really quite sophisticated for it's day. It used 2 z80 processors. Vrooom! I seem to remember it parked nest to Galaga, of the same vintage. It used 3 z80 processors. Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Sep 22, 2004, at 3:32 PM, will kent wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > I thought the ending was that the machine got hit by a truck beacuse > george couldnt get the machine up the curb, not that the power ran > out. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.0.20040922180643.00aea278 [at] localhost> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:07:46 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Car speakers as pa system In-Reply-To: References: At 10:06 AM 9/15/2004, you wrote: >does anyone see any problem with using car stereo speakers for an indoor >sound system. i.e. building sealed boxes and putting them in. response >appreciated > -eric We've had a set on the wall of our office for over a decade, works fine (we play background music all day). ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com pgp: 45A2 0A52 1D56 70C2 B865 9D5C 83F2 2112 04CE 2B54 ------------------------------ From: "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" Subject: 2nd longest lightbulb Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 21:19:40 -0400 Message-ID: Hey thanks for the link to the 2nd longest lightbulb story. Yes 1908 puts it 5 years before the tungsten era began. Many or most on the list may be unaware of what the filament composition of most lamps was before tungsten. The "carbon" filament the article refers to was actually bamboo, pre-burned into carbon. The lamp would have been of a vacuum type. With no air inside the carbon wouldn't burn further. Most of these also ran on DC power which provided less shock to the filaments and their support helping with lamplife. I have always wanted to see one of these bamboo filaments lit and in use. My bet is that the color is much like that of a candle. By the way, Edison and others tried many other "carbonized materials". Bamboo was the most widely used but lamps also tried cardboard filaments as well as filaments made from cotton thread. Before tungston could be ducted to wire (an impossible feat that garnered a Nobel prize actually) it was first extruded as a tungsten paste with some success. The first metal filaments were made from platinum which made for some very interesting lamp designs as the incadescent temperature for platinum is about at its melting point....so these lamps had to include moving parts for thermostats to exactly regulate the temperature. Richard F ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001e01c4a10d$110f7910$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: lightbulb Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 18:31:36 -0700 > > This thread reminds me of one of my favorite catalogs, Rejuvenation. > > They sell very accurate reproductions of period lighting and door > hardware, including light bulbs. Check out http://tinyurl.com/579e9 Luckily I live in the city where Rejuv exists. Recently sold them a gorgeous Victorian mantle I'd used in shows for 15 years. I love their light fixtures. Wish I could afford them, like the 'Salem' - the bat and serpent pendant (model C548). -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 04:32:49 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: lightbulb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Randy Whitcomb wrote: > I've heard that the companies who made these bulbs that lasted forever went > out of business, because people only bought the product the one time. Just like Commodore who made such a good computer you only needed to buy the first one ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <415256F5.3030106 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 00:54:13 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: hippopotamus or hippopotami References: In-Reply-To: Sorry to join this so late, but I was out of town when it started. Michael Denison wrote: > > Ernie Kovaks used to play a poet named Percy Dovetonsils on his > old black and white TV comedy show. From that: > > "The hippopotamus is an animal that lives down in the zoo. > Of course, they're hippopotami, if there's more than one or two. > Except when the keeper gets mad at them, > And swears at them and cusses, > Then they're just a dirty pair of hippopotamusses." I offer Ogden Nash: Behold the Hippopotamus! We laugh at how he looks to us, And yet in moments dank and grim I wonder how we look to him. Peace, peace thou hippopotamus! We really look all right to us, As you no doubt delight the eye Of other hippopotami. But then the old favorite tune "I want a hippopotamus for Christmas" uses hippopotamuses a few times, so who's to say... I want a hippopotamus for Christmas Only a hippopotamus will do No crocodiles, no rhinoceroses I only like hippopotamuses And hippopotamuses like me too Stuart ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #141 *****************************