Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2) with PIPE id 4549148; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 03:00:58 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #148 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 03:00:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=ham version=3.0.0-pre4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0-pre4 (2004-08-04) on prxy.net X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4a3 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #148 1. test please ignore by ken frederickson 2. 24 hour theater... Slightly off topic by "CATHERINE BRUMM" 3. CANDY CANES by Roger Harrison 4. Re: CANDY CANES by Steve Larson 5. Re: CANDY CANES by Greg Persinger 6. Engineering Grad Schools by "Ben Kehoe" 7. Re: Engineering Grad Schools by Fred Fisher 8. Re: Engineering Grad Schools by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" 9. Re: No light Flourescent Lights by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 10. Re: Fake Gun Shot in Dirt by Mick Alderson 11. Re: revolving door problem by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 12. Re: Cdn Rules for Coring, x-raying by "Michael Finney" 13. Re: Fake Gun Shot in Dirt by CB 14. Re: Engineering Grad Schools by Chuck Mitchell 15. Re: Fake Gun Shot in Dirt by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 16. Re: Fake Gun Shot in Dirt by MissWisc [at] aol.com 17. Re: CANDY CANES by "Chad Croteau" 18. Re: Engineering Grad Schools by Jason V 19. Strand 300 level wheel by Stephen Litterst 20. Re: Strand 300 level wheel by Dale Farmer 21. Re: Cdn Rules for Coring, x-raying by Dorian Kelly *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20040929135156.72888.qmail [at] web50801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 06:51:56 -0700 (PDT) From: ken frederickson Subject: test please ignore In-Reply-To: testing email. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:09:17 -0400 From: "CATHERINE BRUMM" Subject: 24 hour theater... Slightly off topic I am working with a high school Thespian troupe that has heard about the 24 hour play process and are intrigued. They are contemplating one for next spring, hopefully working with the another local high school. I was wondering if anyone on the list is working with a group that has attempted this process who could give me an idea of not only what is successful but also some of the pitfalls I can advise them to look for beyond exhaustion of course. Thank you for any help or anecdotes on list or off Catherine K. Brumm, General Manager Minnie Evans Arts Center Wilmington, NC P910-)790-2360 x821 F)910-790-2356 cbrumm [at] nhcs.k12.nc.us www.geocities.com/nhcscbrumm/index.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20040929150543.63778.qmail [at] web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Harrison Subject: CANDY CANES In-Reply-To: Thanks to all who gave suggestions on how to make the candy canes. I haven't decided how yet but, i might just do the chicken wire and muslin thing. The bending of the PVC sounds interesting but, as someone said very labor intensive. these need to be 6'tall and maybe 6" around. Thanks Roger __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:11:39 -0400 Subject: Re: CANDY CANES From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: It seems that chicken wire and muslin might be quite labor intensive in itself. Why not contact some of the larger department stores and find a supplier for commercial businesses. I've seen canes that big in the larger chain department stores before. Steve on 9/29/04 11:05 AM, Roger Harrison at rocky082259 [at] yahoo.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Thanks to all who gave suggestions on how to make the > candy canes. I haven't decided how yet but, i might > just do the chicken wire and muslin thing. The > bending of the PVC sounds interesting but, as someone > said very labor intensive. these need to be 6'tall > and maybe 6" around. > > Thanks > Roger > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:32:40 -0500 Subject: Re: CANDY CANES From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Steve, Check out www.beckergroup.com They do the big Christmas displays for malls and hotels. On page 36 of their Becker Group catalog they have Candy Canes in 4, 6, 8, and 10' versions. It doesn't give cost but it couldn't hurt to call. I help light the Rockwell exhibit they did on it's first stop here in Nashville and they are good people to work with. I hope this helps. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ Subject: Engineering Grad Schools From: "Ben Kehoe" Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:48:58 -0500 Message-ID: <1096476538.5ddea97cbkehoe01 [at] hamline.edu> Hi, I'm an undergrad, and I am looking at going to grad school for mechanical e= ngineering, specifically robotics/automation and dynamic control systems.= My hope would be, of course, to be able to go into either mechanical en= gineering or use it in a technical theatre career. I was wondering if an= ybody had any suggestions, recommendations, or general comments about Mec= hEng grad schools specializing in automation. Any help is greatly apprec= iated. Also, I'm going to Boston next month on unrelated business, but I= thought I would take a look at grad schools out there. Besides MIT and = Boston University, does anyone know about schools in that vicinity? Than= ks. Ben Kehoe Hamline University ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:00:00 -0500 From: Fred Fisher Subject: Re: Engineering Grad Schools In-reply-to: Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20040929115623.0232dbd8 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> At 11:48 AM 9/29/2004 -0500, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Hi, >I'm an undergrad, and I am looking at going to grad school for mechanical >engineering, specifically robotics/automation and dynamic control >systems. My hope would be, of course, to be able to go into either >mechanical engineering or use it in a technical theatre career. I was >wondering if anybody had any suggestions, recommendations, or general >comments about MechEng grad schools specializing in automation. Any help >is greatly appreciated. Also, I'm going to Boston next month on unrelated >business, but I thought I would take a look at grad schools out >there. Besides MIT and Boston University, does anyone know about schools >in that vicinity? Thanks. > >Ben Kehoe >Hamline University We have a great school of engineering here at the University of Wisconsin. Contact them for more information. I have a number of engineering students working for me as student stagehands. We're number one in Future Truck and Concrete Canoe competition. Fred Fisher ------------------------------ Message-ID: <886EF25AF8BEF64EB89A820EF84064FF091192E8 [at] UCMAIL4> From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" Subject: RE: Engineering Grad Schools Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:17:08 -0400 The University of Cincinnati has an excellent engineering school and a theater school to play in. Steve Waxler Technical Director College Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati -----Original Message----- From: Ben Kehoe [mailto:bkehoe01 [at] hamline.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:49 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Engineering Grad Schools For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hi, I'm an undergrad, and I am looking at going to grad school for mechanical engineering, specifically robotics/automation and dynamic control systems. My hope would be, of course, to be able to go into either mechanical engineering or use it in a technical theatre career. I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions, recommendations, or general comments about MechEng grad schools specializing in automation. Any help is greatly appreciated. Also, I'm going to Boston next month on unrelated business, but I thought I would take a look at grad schools out there. Besides MIT and Boston University, does anyone know about schools in that vicinity? Thanks. Ben Kehoe Hamline University ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1d8.2c38ac7a.2e8c5a39 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:34:33 EDT Subject: Re: No light Flourescent Lights In a message dated 24/09/04 19:31:33 GMT Daylight Time, SDalzell [at] hawaii.rr.com writes: > The 36" units are the problem. When they are turned on, they will not > actually light up until I touch the lamp tube with my hand. This is under > normal circumstances a pita, but since these units are completely enclosed > in the cabinet, it is a disaster. I have tried some slightly used fixtures > as well as some brand new ones. The 36" units don't have a "starter" and > have a much larger ballast. It sounds as though they maybe 'resonant start' fittings. I am not sure how they work, but I think that they need some capacitance to earth to get going. Certainly the one in my garage has a part of the fitting very close to the tube. They are very good fittings, coming straight on with no clattering from the starter. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:51:27 -0500 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: Fake Gun Shot in Dirt Message-id: sdwheaton [at] fuse.net >writes: > >> Depending on the staging, a blank fired from a gun with an >> open barrel might kick up enough dust by itself. > >It probably would. But guns with open barrels should NEVER be used on stage, >for obvious reasons. You might get away, dependent on your OHJ, with a steel >plug with a small hole in it welded in the muzzle. > Here we go again. Oh, well, I'll say it anyway. Don't try this as home. I would much rather use a "real" open-barrel weapon with a blank in it, and train the actor to use it safely, than EVER use a gun that has been modified or plugged by ANYONE other than a real, reputable gun smith. Otherwise, you have a potential pipe bomb in your hand. Blank guns are not just modified slug guns. They must be designed for the task. It's not a job for amateurs. A gun is like any other power tool in that modification entails great risk. Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wisconsin Oshkosh alderson [at] uwosh.edu ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:50:09 EDT Subject: Re: revolving door problem In a message dated 24/09/04 23:34:54 GMT Daylight Time, janicep [at] elmhurst.edu writes: > The doors are mounted on a central pipe. The pipe fitting at the top of the > pipe is mounted on lumber (approx 1'0" square) to which the door frames can > be fixed at 90 degree angles. The biggest problem is wobble: bottom and > top panel "rails," the "stile" length opposite the pipe, and so on. Actors > move through the revolving door a lot, and the "transparency" of the overall > unit is crucial. As you describe it, there is no top bracing for the pivot pipe. Even steel tube has some degree of flexibility. Possible solutions. Make the bottom fitting as rigid as possible. Screw and glue all the joints in the doors, to make them really stiff. Fit small wheels to the bottom outside of the doors. Ordinary furniture castors may well serve, if the surface they would run on is smooth and level. Devise some form of top bracing. Three steel wire ropes (aircraft cable), suitably tensioned and painted black will not be obtrusive. They need to be attached to some solid part of the theatre, which may prove difficult. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Cdn Rules for Coring, x-raying Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:35:27 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Michael Finney" Ohhhhh, Andrew - I can feel your pain (having once watched a drill crew drag about 20 meters of telecommunications cable out from under a casino, wrapped around an auger bit...)! (long story - the project manager spent days waiting for *somebody* to complain about losing their phone and data lines...which never happened...) In my experience, there really isn't a "standard" for x-ray'ing (or doing an ultrasound survey of) walls before core drilling. Good practice usually dictates that the GC, project manager, or project engineer perform a review of existing facility drawings, but most projects won't support the cost of performing a detailed survey of the wall (or floor). "Deep scan" survey's can get pretty pricey.... Which actually brings me to an observation - I think most of us would agree that it's pretty much essential to hire outside consultants/vendors (in the form of a theatre consultant, project engineers, architects, etc.) to help with the integration of theatre requirements with facility construction and engineering requirements during the design and construction of a facility. But we don't usually do the same thing when we get into construction/remodel projects later in the life of the theatre. Most of us are pretty skilled construction types *within our industry*, but we may have limited experience with "normal" construction projects. *Personally* I think there's a real value in hiring an experienced construction GC or Project Manager (or a firm) when you get into facility construction projects - if form no reason other than spreading the liability to a person who does that sort of thing for a living and "purchasing" a set of eyes to keep watch on the overall project to make sure that the sub-contractors perform "to spec". It's an added cost (figure around 8% of the total project cost as a guideline), but I've found it worthwhile. Now, before the screams of protest start: that's a personal opinion, and I know there are people around here who are certainly qualified to act as "the person in charge" on construction jobs (heck, I tend to think that I can do that, based on a few past projects - and I know that Brother Sapsis is qualified to act as his own GC)....but I still think hiring in an experienced construction GC/PM is worth the cost. It's sort of like acting as you own GC when building a house - even if you're experienced enough to do it, it's usually cheaper in the long run to hire an outside person to do the job...and gives you an "outside" set of eyes to watchguard the project. Just my opinion - your mileage may vary..... Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com =20 http://www.thinkwelldesign.com =20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20040929140208.019733e8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:02:08 From: CB Subject: Re: Fake Gun Shot in Dirt >Chris will be pleased! That wasn't entirely the overall effect... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:06:14 -0500 From: Chuck Mitchell Subject: RE: Engineering Grad Schools In-reply-to: Message-id: <000101c4a670$89754b10$1de25c90 [at] Chuck> Ben, While I can recommend our engineering school, and I work with ME and Computer engineering students frequently, I would also suggest you consider contacting schools with both engineering programs dealing with robotics and/or automation AND that also have a theatre dept. that has an active, state of the art automation program. It might limit your search options. Finally, having instructors with connections in the industry will help you get either internships and/or a job. Chuck Mitchell Scene Studio Supervisor University Theatre-University of Wisconsin Madison 608-263-3330 FAX 608-265-4075 Hi, I'm an undergrad, and I am looking at going to grad school for mechanical engineering, specifically robotics/automation and dynamic control systems. My hope would be, of course, to be able to go into either mechanical engineering or use it in a technical theatre career. I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions, recommendations, or general comments about MechEng grad schools specializing in automation. Any help is greatly appreciated. Also, I'm going to Boston next month on unrelated business, but I thought I would take a look at grad schools out there. Besides MIT and Boston University, does anyone know about schools in that vicinity? Thanks. Ben Kehoe Hamline University ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ea.2b21fd71.2e8c902f [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:24:47 EDT Subject: Re: Fake Gun Shot in Dirt In a message dated 29/09/04 02:23:02 GMT Daylight Time, sdwheaton [at] fuse.net writes: > What is the "obvious reason" since "depending on the > staging" rules out safety concerns? No, it doesn't. NOTHING rules out safety concerns. I should have thought that the reason was obvious even to someone of your limited understanding. A weapon with an open muzzle can be used for firing live rounds. I don't know what rules you operate under, but, here in the UK, this is explicitly forbidden. Blank firing weapons MUST have the barrel blocked, and vent the charge sideways. I could not, legally, implement my proposed solution over here. Mind, there are illegal gunsmiths who will convert blank firing weapons to real ones, firing live rounds. Since they have never passed proof, I should not care to use one. > > > You might get away, dependent on your OHJ, with a steel > > plug with a small hole in it welded in the muzzle. > > And in your vast gunsmithing experience what risk is there > to everybody within 20 feet of the gun if you double or > triple the pressure of the blank by plugging the barrel? And what, pray, do you think the effect of a live round is on the internal pressure? Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <81.166f9d30.2e8c9d93 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:21:55 EDT Subject: Re: Re: Fake Gun Shot in Dirt Cc: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com In a message dated 9/29/4 5:25:45 PM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: << A weapon with an open muzzle can be used for firing live rounds. I don't know what rules you operate under, but, here in the UK, this is explicitly forbidden. Blank firing weapons MUST have the barrel blocked, and vent the charge sideways>> Frank - I'm soooooo glad you live somewhere that you can't have a gun. A "blocked barrel" still has to vent the gas somewhere. If you buy a gun with the barrell blocked and side venting for the gasses, you STILL have to make certain that no one is in the "line of fire" of the gasses. A weapon with an open muzzle can used for firing "blanks" there's just no bullet as a projectile. The resultant gas discharge is STILL enough to do serious damage. The rule is simple: Want to use guns or fly people onstage?? Hire a pro who does these things for theatre. Do NOT attempt either yourself! Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003a01c4a67e$88f934e0$6401a8c0 [at] cz1lbfinkbrlun> From: "Chad Croteau" References: Subject: Re: CANDY CANES Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:46:24 -0400 I don't know why I didn't think of it before, considering it's one of my favorite stores, but Bronner's Christmas Wonderland in Frankenmuth, Michigan has a department devoted entirely to commercial sized Christmas decorations. Check it out at http://www.bronners.com/commercial/ Hope this helps. Chad > > It seems that chicken wire and muslin might be quite > labor intensive in itself. Why not contact some of > the larger department stores and find a supplier > for commercial businesses. I've seen canes that > big in the larger chain department stores before. > > Steve ------------------------------ Message-ID: <415B5A4A.5020806 [at] rcn.com> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:58:50 -0400 From: Jason V Subject: Re: Engineering Grad Schools References: In-Reply-To: Ben Kehoe wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Hi, >I'm an undergrad, and I am looking at going to grad school for mechanical engineering, specifically robotics/automation and dynamic control systems. My hope would be, of course, to be able to go into either mechanical engineering or use it in a technical theatre career. I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions, recommendations, or general comments about MechEng grad schools specializing in automation. Any help is greatly appreciated. Also, I'm going to Boston next month on unrelated business, but I thought I would take a look at grad schools out there. Besides MIT and Boston University, does anyone know about schools in that vicinity? Thanks. > >Ben Kehoe >Hamline University > > > > Yale -- I'll encourage thinking outside the box, when there is evidence of thinking going on inside of it. -Terry Pratchett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:10:29 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Strand 300 level wheel Message-id: <415B5D05.330F039D [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts Hey folks, Tonight during tech the level wheel on my Strand 300 mysteriously stopped working. More accurately, we noticed it tonight. Pouring over the manual and the setup display I can find no option for turning this on or off. On the off chance it might help I rebooted the console to no avail. Any ideas? I'll call Strand in the morning but thought someone might be up late with an idea. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <415B9692.8C4272B7 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 01:16:02 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Strand 300 level wheel References: Stephen Litterst wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey folks, > > Tonight during tech the level wheel on my Strand 300 mysteriously > stopped working. More accurately, we noticed it tonight. > > Pouring over the manual and the setup display I can find no option for > turning this on or off. On the off chance it might help I rebooted > the console to no avail. > > Any ideas? I'll call Strand in the morning but thought someone might > be up late with an idea. If you are willing to open up the board, the encoder may have been blocked by a bit of lint or dust. Very common cause of computer mouse scroll wheel failure. Don't void your service contract to check this though. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:32:53 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Cdn Rules for Coring, x-raying >Andrew M. Riter wrote (snip) ....... Then they cored through the wall in >the original spot, having taken the wheels off the coring machine to make >it fit. My higher-ups were more p****d off about more coring without >x-raying after the first accident than with the first accident. > I am displaying my ignorance here. Could someone please explain about X-Ray coring? Although it might be common practice here in the UK, I have never come across it. I asssume by 'coring' you mean diamond drilling through slab RC. to make access for vent or electrics trunking. Is it a specialist job? What power are the X rays? Do the operators need special protection, lead aprons, do they have to leave the room, wear dosimeters etc? And why does it have wheels? How big an area is scanned, is it the whole diameter of the core or just a representative hole in the centre or what? D.Kelly ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #148 *****************************