Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2) with PIPE id 4616681; Fri, 08 Oct 2004 03:01:28 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #156 Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 03:01:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SAVE_MONEY autolearn=ham version=3.0.0-pre4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0-pre4 (2004-08-04) on prxy.net X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4a3 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #156 1. Re: Looking for a Laser by Jason Tollefson 2. Re: Batten Clamps by "Scheu Consulting Services" 3. Re: Batten Clamps by Cosmo Catalano 4. Re: LDI by Herrick Goldman 5. Re: An academic question by Steve Larson 6. Herbal Cigarettes by Johan Godwaldt 7. Re: LDI by Richard Niederberg 8. Re: An academic question by Richard Niederberg 9. Re: Herbal Cigarettes by Greg Bierly 10. Re: Batten Clamps by "richard j. archer" 11. Re: Hiring by "Paul Guncheon" 12. Re: Looking for a Laser by "Jon Ares" 13. Re: LDI by "Joe Golden" 14. Re: cost of lumber by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 15. Re: LDI by Nathan Kahn/Look Solutions 16. Re: Looking for a Laser by Nathan Kahn/Look Solutions 17. Re: LDI by IAEG [at] aol.com 18. Re: LDI by "Joe Golden" 19. Re: An academic question by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 20. Re: LDI by Stephen Litterst 21. Re: An academic question by Stephen Litterst 22. Re: Hiring~ Disclosure:*LONG- VERY LONG* by Richard Niederberg 23. Re[2]: Looking for a Laser by "Frank E. Merrill" 24. Re: An academic question by "Paul Schreiner" 25. Re: An academic question by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 26. Re: An academic question by Richard Niederberg 27. Re: LDI by Richard Niederberg 28. What rental item disappointed you most? by "Frank E. Merrill" 29. Re: What rental item disappointed you most? by Shawn Palmer 30. Re: What rental item disappointed you most? by Fred Fisher 31. Re: LDI by "Michael Finney" 32. Re: LDI by Herrick Goldman 33. Re: An academic question by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 34. Re: An academic question by Boyd Ostroff 35. An academic question by CB 36. Re: An academic question by Charlie Richmond 37. Re: Herbal Cigarettes by "Chad Croteau" 38. Re: 24 hour theater... Slightly off topic by Phil Genera *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20041007111717.79601.qmail [at] web50308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 04:17:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Tollefson Subject: Re: Looking for a Laser In-Reply-To: Before knowing what to recommend, I'd think we'd to know what your customer envisions this laser doing. Just what do you do with a laser is a "children's room"? Beams in the air? Shapes and patterns on the wall? Colors? Control options? There are a wide variety of systems depending on the needs of the project. Jason Tollefson LD-at-Large Orlando, FL www.tollefsondesigns.com > I have a customer that is interested in putting a laser in his children's > room in his church. I am looking for a source for a laser, and pricing. Also > any recommendations about what to do/not to do with it would be great. ------------------------------ From: "Scheu Consulting Services" Subject: Re: Batten Clamps Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:27:20 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: JR Clancy's batten clamps have a catalog Recommended Working Load of = only 200 lb, significantly less than some of the numbers being quoted here. = This is also much less than a typical beam clamp at the other end of the = hanging assembly as well as the 1/4" proofcoil grade 30 chain or 1/4" GAC, = typically used. Call or check out the web sites of Clancy, H&H, SECOA, ADC, et. al. for = a real answer. While aesthetically pleasing, batten clamps many times = aren't adequate for typical loads seen with stage (or house) electrics, shell ceiling sets, etc., though I see them specified for that use all the = time. IMHO, they should really only be used for low load dead hung sets, or to attach drapery tracks to battens, where they can be placed at intervals = less than 10 feet on center. Back to lurking mode... Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:37:05 -0400 From: Cosmo Catalano Subject: Re: Batten Clamps Message-id: <368CC188-1855-11D9-8C28-000D936C1414 [at] williams.edu> > > Patrick wrote: > > http://www.anvilintl.com/ps_hanger/index.php?CAT=4 > > look at the Figure 295 series - "double bolt pipe clamp" - they are > rated, > and I have used them for years in dead-hang situations. Cosmo writes: These clamps may have thicker steel than "Theatrical" models. I also notice that the clamp for 1.5" pipe uses 5/8" bolts, theatrical ones typically use 3/8". So interpret with care, or use the Anvil ones. However, as Bill may have implied, there are hundreds of installations out there that successfully use them with 1.5" pipe on 8 to 10ft centers for applications designed to hold approx 30 lbs per linear foot live load. Not exactly a rating but perhaps almost a standard practice. And if you think pipe and tube is expensive, try buying counterweight. We are even having problems finding 2" thick stock to have them cut from. Closer to 1.75". Mercifully we got the structural steel in before the beginning of this craziness. Might be time to consider aluminum J-track instead of T-bar. ENR is indeed a good source for documenting prices in the construction trades if you want to try and justify a budget increase w/ 3rd party info. Most institutions are well aware of the problem by now, however. Cosmo Cosmo Catalano Production Manager Williams College Dept. of Theatre 1000 Main St. Williamstown, MA 01267 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:45:51 -0400 From: Herrick Goldman Subject: Re: LDI Sure. Pick a place and a time. Try to make it central to the convention and not conflict with parties, shows, and people going out for business dinners. :) >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >So will I, on Saturday only. Is a brief Saturday night get-together >doable? >/s/ Richard > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:23:47 -0400 Subject: Re: An academic question From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Bang! Oops, forgot to buy a license. Steve on 10/6/04 9:18 PM, Stuart Wheaton at sdwheaton [at] fuse.net wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Steve Larson wrote: > >> >> This has got to go into my book, "Opera...Why It Is >> More Than Just Annoying". Before you scream, I >> love good opera. >> >> Steve > > As a friend once asked, "Why do they call it Opera Season if > you aren't allowed to shoot them?" > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: Johan Godwaldt Subject: Herbal Cigarettes Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:38:10 -0400 Those of you in New York state may not know but herbal cigarettes are no longer allowed to be sold in New York State, they fail to meet self extinguishing regulations. I found out earlier this month. I ordered herbals online because it is not again regulations to smoke them or purchase them. My order though has not made it here. If there is anyone in Canada can you tell me if Herbal cigarettes are available in Ontario. I live about 1.5 hours from Kingston and need these cigarettes by tomorrow night. My local Health office refuses to give exemption to the smoking ban. This ruling came down on Monday after numerous weeks of asking for decision. Anyone have work around smoking ideas. There are so many productions which require smoking. I am trying to find solution that will cover my bases so that I do not have to keep going through same steps each time. For this production my local safety officer has allowed herbals but no guarantee for next production. Johan Godwaldt Technical Director SUNY Oswego Theatre 47 Tyler Hall Ph# 315 312 2987 Fax 315 312 3394 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:01:41 -0700 Subject: Re: LDI Message-ID: <20041007.060145.3504.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Dear Herrick, I would frankly rather not take that responsibility, with my schedule being packed so tightly, but perhaps somewhere in the adjacent Hilton would seem logical. I do not even know yet what other events I'll be invited to, or what client meetings will materialize at the last minute that I'll be 'forced' to attend for business reasons. I suspect that you may also have similar constraints and must leave yourself open to 'touch base' with colleagues and future clients based upon who you meet during the day. Very few of us self-employed folk can survive without some 'rainmaking'. /s/ Richard (702) 668-2008 pgr (Vegas #) (323) 848-1001 pgr (LA #) (323) 650-9600 msg I WILL respond by cellphone. I will NOT be checking e-mail. > Sure. Pick a place and a time. Try to make it central to the > convention and not conflict with parties, shows, and people > going out for business dinners. :) > Herrick Goldman > > So will I, on Saturday only. Is a brief Saturday night > > get-together doable? > > /s/ Richard ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:09:55 -0700 Subject: Re: An academic question Message-ID: <20041007.061130.3504.1.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Because the characters will turn on you with their weaponry, just as they attack each other, and/or themselves, in many Grand Opera plots. /s/ Richard > > As a friend once asked, "Why do they call it Opera Season if > > you aren't allowed to shoot them?" ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4A66EF11-186D-11D9-95DA-000D936BFA94 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Herbal Cigarettes Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:29:26 -0500 > There are so many productions which require smoking. I am trying to > find solution that will cover my bases so that I do not have to keep > going through same steps each time. This has been hashed out a few times already. We use "Puff Cigarettes" by Franco-American Novelties. We get them through our costume/prop shop. They look real but you blow out on them and a shiny red cone pops out the end with a dust of some sort. Looks great from the audience. The drawbacks are it doesn't burn down, the tip only reflects light not emits it in a dark scene, Not easy to block with a real lighter in an intimate space since you don't really want it to burn. The actors have practiced to make the "puff" convincing. Good luck with whatever you find. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:35:05 -0400 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Batten Clamps > >Cosmo writes: > > Mercifully we got the structural steel in before the beginning of >this craziness. Might be time to consider aluminum J-track instead >of T-bar. > > When Cornell built it's theatre in 1986-88 aluminum T-Channel was the spec and bid. Aluminum prices went sky high and JR Clacy was hurting. Dick A TD,Cornell Univ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000e01c4ac76$9980a5c0$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Hiring Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 04:04:43 -1000 <> Ow. ...and this posted to a technical theatre group. Laters, Paul "I need a home run hitter," Tom said ruthlessly. -and the famous- "I wonder where Ruth is?" Nick said ruthlessly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001501c4ac77$845846c0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Looking for a Laser Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:11:19 -0700 > Before knowing what to recommend, I'd think we'd to know what your > customer envisions this laser > doing. Just what do you do with a laser is a "children's room"? Beams in > the air? Shapes and > patterns on the wall? Colors? Control options? I assumed it was for Behavior Modification.... -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ Subject: RE: LDI Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:37:46 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Joe Golden" Everyone is welcome to stop at the ELS booth/BAR for a liquid beverage. Joe > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Wondering if we have had any more thoughts on this? >=20 > Klyph >=20 >=20 > although it's=20 > > =20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F1601FF01 [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: RE: cost of lumber Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:13:48 -0700 Many people have noted the increasing cost of lumber. . . [rant ON] Well, if you would all please write a letter to the AHJ and get them to recind the 27% tariff/duty/whatever on Canadian lumber(which a NAFTA panel has said doesn't pose a threat to US producers, AND that the lumber isn't being dumped into the US), then our companies could send you more lumber. The really funny thing (if it is funny), is that when the 27% was added two years ago (!), our producers ramped up production to save money on cost efficiencies and paid more than 1 BILLION dollars to the US govt, and can still afford to sell lumber south of the border. [/rant off] sorry PS. We want that money back when the NAFTA panel rules against the US law AGAIN. PPS. The NAFTA panel is made up of two Americans and 1 Canadian. Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20041007121931.0182e508 [at] 212.86.129.164> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 12:25:14 -0400 From: Nathan Kahn/Look Solutions Subject: Re: LDI In-Reply-To: I don't have any input on a meeting place, but I would like to say, if anybody wants to put a face with a "voice" for me, stop by our Look Solutions booth #1228 and say hey. Most of you know me as Nathan from Theatre Effects, rather than Nathan from Look Solutions. Happy gambling, Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------ Look Solutions USA, Ltd. 114 W. Third St., Waynesboro, PA 17268 Phone: 1-800-426-4189 Fax: 1-717-762-7366 Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com Web: www.looksolutions.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20041007122540.0183db98 [at] 212.86.129.164> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 12:31:18 -0400 From: Nathan Kahn/Look Solutions Subject: Re: Looking for a Laser In-Reply-To: References: At 04:32 PM 10/6/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I have a 4.99 mW HeNe laser and pattern programmer that has been in my >rental stock for some time without many rentals. It is a "SummaStar" >unit by Summa Technologies in California. I shudder to think about >how much I paid for that unit...Make me an offer. Hey, I had one of those! Pattern programmer too! I wonder what happened to Steve Summa - his R&D was excellent. Many of you probably don't know he made the first automated luminaire that could be purchased (rather than rented, i.e. Varilites). Problem was, at the time, nobody could afford to buy them. Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------ Look Solutions USA, Ltd. 114 W. Third St., Waynesboro, PA 17268 Phone: 1-800-426-4189 Fax: 1-717-762-7366 Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com Web: www.looksolutions.com ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <148.358a5887.2e96cc77 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:44:39 EDT Subject: Re: LDI In a message dated 10/7/04 10:38:55 AM, Joe [at] elslights.com writes: << Everyone is welcome to stop at the ELS booth/BAR for a liquid beverage. >> will "non liquid" beverages be offered ? ? very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, FL ------------------------------ Subject: RE: LDI Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:50:26 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Joe Golden" Let me re-phrase that "Adult Beverages" > >=20 > <<=20 > Everyone is welcome to stop at the ELS booth/BAR for a liquid=20 > beverage. >> >=20 > will "non liquid" beverages be offered ? ? >=20 > very best,=20 >=20 > Keith Arsenault > International Arts & Entertainment Group > Tampa, FL >=20 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <199.305aba2d.2e96d02b [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:00:27 EDT Subject: Re: An academic question In a message dated 07/10/04 05:06:26 GMT Daylight Time, ladesigners [at] juno.com writes: > Grand Opera is the closest thing existing scenographicly to a major Las > Vegas Production Show. Some are, some not. It all depends on the director. Think of Mozart's "The Magic Flute" set on and under a Californian freeway, lit exclusive from below by the house footlights and by ten or a dozen sunfloods (the little black 500W floods used for temporary lights on construction work) on the front edge of the roadway. What would they make of that in Las Vegas? Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:03:08 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: LDI Message-id: <416576CC.20C6B021 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Joe Golden wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Let me re-phrase that "Adult Beverages" Is that a Yuengling with it's label off? Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:04:35 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: An academic question Message-id: <41657723.A67BEE4C [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 07/10/04 05:06:26 GMT Daylight Time, ladesigners [at] juno.com > writes: > > > Grand Opera is the closest thing existing scenographicly to a major Las > > Vegas Production Show. > > Some are, some not. It all depends on the director. > > Think of Mozart's "The Magic Flute" set on and under a Californian freeway, > lit exclusive from below by the house footlights and by ten or a dozen > sunfloods (the little black 500W floods used for temporary lights on construction > work) on the front edge of the roadway. What would they make of that in Las Vegas? First, the Queen of the Night and Pamina would be topless... Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:11:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Hiring~ Disclosure:*LONG- VERY LONG* Message-ID: <20041007.101111.3504.2.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Of course, one could argue that the staff and faculty already have THEIR jobs, and that all the Design and Directing opportunities should be given to students, with the Staff and Faculty available as 'hot standbys' and safety regulators. The product produced by our educational institutions is the student, not the show, and the student should learn how the budget, design, and build their concept with the vastly diminished resources available today. Steel prices ascending 20% a month? Welcome, student designers, to the real world! Heaven Forbid should they ever have to consider labor costs when they are preparing detailed budgets to realize THEIR concept. That goes for costume designers, too. Make them calculate the REAL cost of all that conscripted student labor working as Cutters, First Hands, Drapers, Stitchers, and other Wardrobe personnel. Maybe a short seminar covering FICA-FUTA-SDI-SS-Medicare-H&W-Pension and Workman's Comp costs would be helpful, with a slight detour into the area of labor relations, with IA and/or AEA/AFM costs explained, as well as the lack of work-study subsidies in the real world. There are all kinds of consumable costs that are ignored in an educational setting. Force the student designers and directors consider the cost of utilities, light bulbs, toilet paper, tools, sewing needles, insurance, security, and all the other minutiae necessary to fully realize all the aspects of THEIR design, or the fiscal ramifications of THEIR direction including the imputed rental rates or purchase costs of stock scenery, stock costumes, transportation, and lighting /sound /projection /intercom /whatever equipment that is already in the theatre. It is very frustrating to offer someone a lucrative design-and-build contract and receive a blank stare. I am well aware how difficult it is to recruit and retain 'name' designers and directors, unless you offer them a guaranteed number of shows to design or direct each year. Nonetheless, I would rather have the student make their mistakes at college expense rather than have my show serving as a test ground for an extremely talented but unseasoned designer with a newly minted BFA/MFA or whatever, who fails to appreciate the relationship between THEIR design, material versus labor costs, and safety. I am not seeking bean-counters; all I want is people that will accept total responsibility for THEIR art. Teach them to think out a back-up plan when trying out unproven materials and techniques, if steel rises 20% in a month, or if there is a change in a MSDS that is now adverse to their proposed application. If we teach them to exclusively rely on the technical director or the production manager for this expertise, and make them sit out the design process, where 'mainstage' shows are reserved for faculty, they will be less successful in marketing their skills and they will have less skills to market. I am now gingerly stepping down from the soapbox in the free-speech area of the e-list commons. /s/ Richard > > We ended up hiring an actor/director and have been > > hiring out the design need not fulfilled by students. ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:19:49 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1831005701.20041007121949 [at] TCON.net> Subject: Re[2]: Looking for a Laser In-Reply-To: References: Howdy! Thursday, October 07, 2004, Nathan Kahn wrote: NKLS> I wonder what happened to Steve Summa - his R&D was excellent. NKLS> Many of you probably don't know he made the first automated NKLS> luminaire that could be purchased (rather than rented, i.e. NKLS> Varilites). Problem was, at the time, nobody could afford to buy NKLS> them. I kinda wish I couldn't afford to buy his laser system. It is a very nice system, but has not generated the rental revenue I expected it to. Hmmmm...maybe there's an opportunity for a new discussion thread here: "What rental item disappointed you the most?" My laser system is right up there with gelstring scrollers, but I'd be hard pressed to decide which one tops the other! Ha ha ha... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Eastablished 1946 Indianapolis 317: 255 4666 Running The Bat! Natural e-mail system v3.0 mailto:Lamplighter [at] TCON.net ------------------------------ Subject: RE: An academic question Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:33:33 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74ACF4 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > > > Grand Opera is the closest thing existing scenographicly=20 > to a major=20 > > > Las Vegas Production Show. > >=20 > > Some are, some not. It all depends on the director. > >=20 > > Think of Mozart's "The Magic Flute"...=20 >=20 > First, the Queen of the Night and Pamina would be topless... With magical pasties...and Papagena could wear a big ol' feather boa and have a huuuuge feathery headdress! ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <89.16abcdb3.2e96d8bf [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:37:03 EDT Subject: Re: An academic question In a message dated 07/10/04 18:05:15 GMT Daylight Time, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: > > Think of Mozart's "The Magic Flute" set on and under a Californian freeway, > > lit exclusive from below by the house footlights and by ten or a dozen > > sunfloods (the little black 500W floods used for temporary lights on > construction > > work) on the front edge of the roadway. What would they make of that in > Las Vegas? > > First, the Queen of the Night and Pamina would be topless... Probably. In this one, the Queen of the Night was in a short, very tight, dress. The opening scene was ingenious. No serpent at all: Tamino was just having a bad trip on LSD. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:36:29 -0700 Subject: Re: An academic question Message-ID: <20041007.104020.3504.3.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Dear Frank, That may be Opera, (by definition: libretto entirely sung), but it doesn't sound like GRAND Opera to me. I think you know what I meant. There used to be a set for a large magic show at the Sahara in Vegas that resembled your description, and another one at the Plaza. The Sahara is walking distance from LDI, if you're going. /s/ Richard > > Grand Opera is the closest thing existing scenographicly to a > > major Las Vegas Production Show. > Some are, some not. It all depends on the director. > Think of Mozart's "The Magic Flute" set on and under a > Californian freeway, lit exclusive from below by the house > footlights and by ten or a dozen sunfloods (the little black > 500W floods used for temporary lights on construction > work) on the front edge of the roadway. What would they > make of that in Las Vegas? > Frank Wood ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:39:25 -0700 Subject: Re: LDI Message-ID: <20041007.104020.3504.4.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Sounds good to me! /s/ Richard > Everyone is welcome to stop at the ELS booth/BAR for a liquid > beverage. > Joe ________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:44:29 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1169374059.20041007134429 [at] TCON.net> Subject: What rental item disappointed you most? Hey! I'm starting a new thread here, just for the tom-foolery of it! In the interest of protecting the guilty, don't name names. Um...but it might be a good idea to let the perpetrators know off-list For Dealers and such: What item have you purchased for rental by others that has disappointed you the most, either by way of poor acceptance by your customers, unexpected service costs between rentals, or whatever else has made you want to unload that white elephant? For users: What item did you rent from some place with full expectation that it would solve your need...but didn't? My entry would be gel-string color scrollers. The units I bought for rental went out of my building exactly three times in the five or six years I owned them: Once for a free demo, once for a charity job where they provided me with only a tax deduction, and the last time when they were sold. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Established 1946 Indianapolis 317: 255 4666 Running The Bat! Natural e-mail system v3.0 mailto:Lamplighter [at] TCON.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41659117.2080805 [at] northnet.net> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 13:55:19 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: What rental item disappointed you most? References: In-Reply-To: > My entry would be gel-string color scrollers. The units I bought for > rental went out of my building exactly three times in the five or six > years I owned them: Once for a free demo, once for a charity job > where they provided me with only a tax deduction, and the last time > when they were sold. > > Best regards, > Frank E. Merrill How weird. I rent our 24 scrollers frequently. You never can tell... and maybe that is the lesson. What do you rent a lot of? Maybe that's the item that just sits on our shop and gathers dust :-) Shawn Palmer Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:03:50 -0500 From: Fred Fisher Subject: Re: What rental item disappointed you most? In-reply-to: Message-id: <5.2.1.1.2.20041007150059.01de2bf0 [at] wiscmail.wisc.edu> > >For Dealers and such: >What item have you purchased for rental by others that has >disappointed you the most, either by way of poor acceptance by your >customers, unexpected service costs between rentals, or whatever else >has made you want to unload that white elephant? > Frank E. Merrill For us it's our MD player. It got some use for about two years and has been sitting idle for the last 3. Of course, as soon as I send it over to SWAP, someone will want to use it. Fred Fisher ------------------------------ Subject: Re: LDI Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:08:56 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Michael Finney" Herrick Goldman <> wrote: <> =20 Now, now, Mr. H - I was one of a whole bunch of people who working on that thing! And we cheated on the bridge - we used the Paramount Staff Shop to build a lot of those pieces (since they already had the plans and the molds)(of course, there was a little bit of modification required, since the Staff Shop hadn't ever build a permanent installation before....BIG "thank you" to the boys at the old Scenic Technology shop for making *that* work). =20 Seriously - I'll see if any of my special events guys are still there, but they're usually pretty stingy about letting anybody use the bridge (after a couple of funny but vaguely disturbing private party "incidents" involving Trek fans, costumes, alcohol, and long-held fantasies...). Maybe something closer to the Sands convention center? =20 Michael Finney (via PalmPilot) ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:29:22 -0400 From: Herrick Goldman Subject: Re: LDI Ok ok ...I'm in the middle of an ice show, a friend's wedding and a Broadway Concert..Give me a few days and I'll try to organize something for Saturday night. Maybe I'll just leave you all my room key at the fabulous Circus Circus. Or we could just all meet at the ELS bar at the same time on Saturday day and drink them dry. Can I request a dirty Martini? or Maybe we can get Fleenor to run a blender blender on DMX using 802.11x. We could just booth hop with a cooler on wheels and go pester Mckernon to finally develop the Palm LW app. then we can harrass Lehnus about the Maxxyz for awhile. If we bring beer I'm sure they'll be happy to see us. -H -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:02:56 EDT Subject: Re: An academic question In a message dated 07/10/04 18:43:46 GMT Daylight Time, ladesigners [at] juno.com writes: > That may be Opera, (by definition: libretto entirely sung), but it > doesn't sound like GRAND Opera to me. I think you know what I meant. No, I don't. Please tell me what you mean by GRAND Opera. My wife and I talked about this over dinner tonight. She suggested that it was mostly works created for the Paris Opera, in the nineteenth century. This was certainly a time for grand theatrical illusions. Verdi's "Don Carlo" was written for this format specifically, and Faust and Boris Godunov come close. On the other hand, Handel's works were never really intended to be staged at all, or few of them. Richard Wagner is an oddball, really. The stage effects he asked for were amazing, and, if carried out, would tax most modern stage technicians. From the Rheinemadens to Brunnhilde's immolation in Siegfried's funeral pyre, plus the re-forging of Nothung and assorted giants and dragons, they still create problems. But he managed to create them, within the nineteenth century concepts and techniques. > There used to be a set for a large magic show at the Sahara in Vegas that > resembled your description, and another one at the Plaza. The Sahara is > walking distance from LDI, if you're going. Unhappily, not. I live in the UK, and am a heavy smoker. But I wish you all well. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:59:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: An academic question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One of the requirements for the Paris Grand Opera was a Ballet. I believe the Faust ballet was written solely for the purpose of having the opera performed there. You will rarely see these ballets performed in the US due to the budget implications of a corps de ballet as well as the additional time added to the opera. Boyd Ostroff ooo Opera Company of Philadelphia Director of Design & Technology ooooooo 1420 Locust St, Suite 210 ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ooooooo Philadelphia, PA 19102 http://tech.operaphilly.com ooo (215) 893-3600 x225 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041007181250.0195f3d0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:12:50 From: CB Subject: An academic question First: >I'm interested in finding out if anyone knows of a tenure track professorial >position that combines a set designer with a music director/conductor. Then: >> With all due respect Dan, this is one of the goofiest ideas I've ever >> heard. Why not also see if they have experience coaching basketball and >> you could offer an even better salary? ...which seems to echo the feelings of most of the list, thus far. However, if you were to post for a lighting designer/sound designer/op it don't seem to phase folk much. Go for it, Dan, you won't do any worse that those that hire lighting guys to do sound design... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 02:22:57 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: An academic question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, CB wrote: > However, if you were to post for a lighting designer/sound designer/op it > don't seem to phase folk much. Go for it, Dan, you won't do any worse that > those that hire lighting guys to do sound design... Thanks for echoing my opinion on this, as usual ;-) Some of the best known (not necessarily best...) sound designers are failed lighting designers... ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006101c4acdf$e45f1ea0$6401a8c0 [at] cz1lbfinkbrlun> From: "Chad Croteau" References: Subject: Re: Herbal Cigarettes Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:38:25 -0400 Hi Mr. Godwaldt. I'm in Ontario... The good news is that yes, we do sell herbal cigarettes. The bad news is I can't tell you where near Kingston to get them. The only suggestion I could make is to look up Smoke Shops in the Kingston area and let your fingers do the walking... Hope this helps, Chad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johan Godwaldt" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:38 AM Subject: Herbal Cigarettes > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Those of you in New York state may not know but herbal cigarettes are > no longer allowed to be sold in New York State, they fail to meet self > extinguishing regulations. I found out earlier this month. I ordered > herbals online because it is not again regulations to smoke them or > purchase them. My order though has not made it here. If there is anyone > in Canada can you tell me if Herbal cigarettes are available in > Ontario. I live about 1.5 hours from Kingston and need these cigarettes > by tomorrow night. My local Health office refuses to give exemption to > the smoking ban. This ruling came down on Monday after numerous weeks > of asking for decision. Anyone have work around smoking ideas. There > are so many productions which require smoking. I am trying to find > solution that will cover my bases so that I do not have to keep going > through same steps each time. For this production my local safety > officer has allowed herbals but no guarantee for next production. > > Johan Godwaldt > Technical Director > SUNY Oswego Theatre > 47 Tyler Hall > Ph# 315 312 2987 > Fax 315 312 3394 > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41661362.9020003 [at] rpi.edu> Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 00:11:14 -0400 From: Phil Genera Subject: Re: 24 hour theater... Slightly off topic References: In-Reply-To: CATHERINE BRUMM wrote: > I am working with a high school Thespian troupe that has heard about > the 24 hour play process and are intrigued. They are contemplating one > for next spring, hopefully working with the another local high school. I > was wondering if anyone on the list is working with a group that has > attempted this process who could give me an idea of not only what is > successful but also some of the pitfalls I can advise them to look for > beyond exhaustion of course. Hi, The college theatre club I'm involved with have been doing "24 hour Theatre Slams" since the vicinity of 1998. Our format differs a bit from what's described on 24hourplays.com. Here's how things go at a technical school in northern New York: - We select a producer for the event, who mainly is in charge of having a key to the space, publicity, and food. They also get to stay up for 26 or so hours. - Interested parties meet at an assigned room, occasionally the Playhouse but more often a small performance space in the student Union. - The folks who show up are split according to interest. Writers stay, actors go home, directors do the same (usually). Often people take on more than one role, adding to the eventual hilarity. - Writers begin writing plays from scratch, occasionally including musicals. By around 8am, they've finished the shows, and actors and directors arrive to start rehearsals. Shows are cast, somewhat randomly, and everyone rehearses until curtain at 8pm. There's usually one technician for the show, and basic costumes, lighting and sound. I've always enjoyed the shows. We often have people write musicals, including "Tugboat: The Sinking Musical" and "Operation: Grandma-hooha!" Folks also often take more than one role, with one Producer choosing to write a musical, direct, and take a lead in it. He... barely survived, and didn't remember the words, but it was great fun to watch :). That show also featured a monofilament fly system for the eventual drowning scene. I should mention that RPI, our school, doesn't offer any sort of degree program in theatre, or English, or anything artistic except for our own special brand of Electronic Arts and Communication. It certainly wouldn't be beyond the abilities of a high school group. We usually have our theatre slams in the reading period after classes and before finals, as its a great way to relieve stress. If you'd like more information, I'd be more than happy to get you in touch with a few former producers. Or, if you find yourself in the NY capital district in the December, you're welcome to sit in on our next Theatre Slam :). -- Phil Genera President, RPI Players ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #156 *****************************