Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 6595543; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:48:34 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #212 Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 01:48:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_SBL autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #212 1. Re: Lighting Graphics by Adam Fitchett 2. Re: Drury Lane by "Tony" 3. Re: Paper Drafting by "Paul Guncheon" 4. Re[2]: Paper Drafting by "Frank E. Merrill" 5. Re: sound que software by Steve Larson 6. Friction by "Dougherty, Jim" 7. Re: Friction by "Jon Ares" 8. Re: Friction by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 9. Re: Friction by "Jon Ares" 10. Re: Friction by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 11. Re: Roadboxes by "Stuart Baulch" 12. Re: Paper Drafting by "Paul Schreiner" 13. Color Coding Fixtures by "Rob Carovillano" 14. Personnel Lifts -Again by "Stephen E. Rees" 15. Marley was Dead... by Richard Niederberg 16. Re: Marley was Dead... by IAEG [at] aol.com 17. Re: Marley was Dead... by Steve Larson 18. Re: Marley was Dead... by "Paul Schreiner" 19. Re: Color Coding Fixtures by Steve Larson 20. Re: Friction by "Paul Schreiner" 21. Re: Color Coding Fixtures by "Paul Schreiner" 22. Lighting/Music Software by "Rob Carovillano" 23. Re: Friction by "Booth, Dennis" 24. Re: Marley was Dead... by "LES LIND" 25. Re: Friction by "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" 26. Re: Color Coding Fixtures by Stephen Litterst 27. Re: Marley was Dead... by "Hall, Delbert L." 28. Re: Marley was Dead... by IAEG [at] aol.com 29. Re: Friction by "Paul Schreiner" 30. Re: Marley was Dead... by "Storms, Randy" 31. Re: Marley was Dead... by "Jon Ares" 32. cable boxes by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 33. Re: Friction by Wood Chip-P26398 34. Re: Marley was Dead... by Steve Larson 35. Re: Color Coding Fixtures by Steve Larson 36. Re: Friction by Steve Larson 37. Re: Lighting/Music Software by "Elliott Family" 38. Re: Paper Drafting by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 39. Re: Marley was Dead... by "Hall, Delbert L." 40. Re: Marley was Dead... by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 41. Re: Marley was Dead... by "Jon Ares" 42. Re: Marley was Dead... by IAEG [at] aol.com 43. Re: Marley was Dead... by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 44. Re: Marley was Dead... by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 45. Re: Lighting/Music Software by "Jonathan S. Deull" 46. Re: Marley was Dead... by Stephen Litterst 47. Weird Type of Plate by "Rob Carovillano" 48. Re: Lighting/Music Software by "Rob Carovillano" 49. Re: Marley was Dead... by "Hall, Delbert L." 50. Re: Roadboxes by "Brandon Slokowski" 51. Re: Paul Schreiner's lift by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 52. Re: Roadboxes by CB 53. Re: Lighting/Music Software by "Nigel Worsley" 54. Re: Elliot Peake's reply to new thread by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 55. Re: CAD Text by "H-High-S (Ferreira, Jr.)" 56. Re: ideas for bums in seats by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 57. Re: ideas for bums in seats by "Don Taco" 58. Technician Position Available by "Paul Sanow" 59. Re: Friction by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" 60. Re: Roadbox by June Abernathy 61. Re: Friction by Dale Farmer 62. Re: Lighting/Music Software by howie 63. Re: Weird Type of Plate by Dale Farmer 64. Re: Plastic Glides by Loren Schreiber 65. Re: Weird Type of Plate by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 66. Re: Marley was Dead... by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 67. Re: Elliot Peake's reply to new thread by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 68. Re: Lighting/Music Software by Jason Romney 69. Re: Weird Type of Plate by "Rob Carovillano" 70. Re: Lighting/Music Software by "Rob Carovillano" 71. Re: Weird Type of Plate by "Paul Schreiner" 72. Re: Marley was Dead... by "Joe Meils" 73. Re: Marley was Dead... by IAEG [at] aol.com 74. Re: CAD Programs by Joe 75. Looking for a source for sheet cardboard by "Randy B." 76. Re: Marley was Dead... by MissWisc [at] aol.com 77. Re: Weird Type of Plate by Steve Larson 78. Radio Mic Rental in San Francisco Bay Area by Mat Goebel *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <41AC25E8.2080200 [at] fitchtech.net> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:48:56 -0800 From: Adam Fitchett Subject: Re: Lighting Graphics References: In-Reply-To: Oddly enough, as a student and until recently an electrical engineering major who studied at two very respected engineering schools, I was required to go through my 4 calculus classes and even some of my physics classes without the aid of a calculator. While not all that practical as we (the students often argued) I do have to say it's nice knowing how to do. As far as symbols go, I have recently hung two different shows at different theatres by different lighting designers, both of which did their plots by hand so the pencil and paper isn't quite out-dated yet. -Adam Fitchett San Jose State University (formerly a student at the General Motors Institute) Moore, Martin W. wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > >Why's anybody concerned with generic symbols for templates for paper >drafting, now it's all computer drafting. > >It's like insisting on doing arithmetic without a calculator -- verging >on the Luddite > > > >Martin > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007901c4d6c7$7b5c0280$0800000a [at] Tony> From: "Tony" References: Subject: Re: Drury Lane Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:29:29 -0000 Aha! You wouldn't have an e-mail address, I suppose? (posted off-line, of course??) TD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 4:42 AM Subject: Re: Drury Lane > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Look up Laura Koch, the stage manager. One of my best friends. Doom > > ==================================================== > A Masters Workshop for Entertainment Technicians, Riggers, Public > Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel - > Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc. 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Bonita #158, Pomona, CA 91767 Phone/Fax: (909) 625-5961 > ==================================================== > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Tony > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 5:50 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Drury Lane > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, team. > > Any of you London based guys working "The Producers" or know anyone who > is? > A couple of my erstwhile colleagues are down there in about 2 weeks and > would very much like a backstage tour (official or otherwise). > > Any ideas?? > > Ynot > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003c01c4d6dc$070f5110$0202a8c0 [at] MyLastPC> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Paper Drafting Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:56:35 -1000 <> Not again... sigh. Some think they know how everyone should do everything and scoff at those who disagree. Sorry, but it's not "all" computer drafting. I am certainly not against CAD and use it for space planning as I have mentioned before. I then go on the boards for elevations. It's simply faster. I can also harness the power of orthographic projection while looking at a full 30" x 40" drawing without scrolling. Think of it as another crayon in the box. So is it "kray-on" or "cran"? Laters, Paul "My puppy's bed is full of bugs" Tom said dogmatically. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:17:29 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <163375941.20041130081729 [at] TCON.net> Subject: Re[2]: Paper Drafting In-Reply-To: References: Howdy! Tuesday, November 30, 2004, Paul wrote: PG> So is it "kray-on" or "cran"? It's "Kren." Tee hee hee.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Eastablished 1946 Indianapolis 317: 255 4666 Running The Bat! Natural e-mail system v3.0 mailto:Lamplighter [at] TCON.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 08:48:31 -0500 Subject: Re: sound que software From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: FYI, Mac users. It's PC only. We're using it in our current show. Sound op learned to run the show in about 10 minutes. We had to borrow a laptop PC to use it. Steve on 11/29/04 10:59 PM, jeff at jeff.mabray [at] comcast.net wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm going to come out of lurk mode and speak up here as another one to > promote Sound Cue System. I used it on a production of "A Christmas Story" > about this time last year. For anyone who knows the show it is fairly sound > intensive - It was very easy to learn - very intuitive to play and worked > very well for us. The 55 bucks is a small small price to pay for a program > of this caliber and ease of use. The graphics aren't that great - but this > isn't a graphics display program - its a sound cue playback program - > > There are capabilities to assign cues to hotkeys for instant playback - It > can play multiple cues over one another- I could go on and on. I think > that there is a demo program available for download that should answer all > of your questions. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:35:58 -0500 Subject: Friction From: "Dougherty, Jim" Message-ID: Dennis Booth wrote: And not to contradict too much, but for sliding friction surface area has nothing at all to do with it, at least from the standpoint of pure physics. Friction is based on the coefficient of friction of the materials in contact, and the force between them. That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of friction (there are other issues with the bacon). In practice, though, if the surface areas get too big or too small, there can be other problems. Too small, and you can get the flooring deforming (think of a tiny steel runner on plywood), or a small rough/uneven spot can stop the works. If they get too big, for one thing you're spending a lot of money on UHMW that you don't need to spend. - Jim Dougherty ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Dept. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000901c4d6ea$552d9b00$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Friction Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:39:00 -0800 > That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing > bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of friction > (there are other issues with the bacon). So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the stage floor? -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: Friction Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:45:55 -0800 Message-ID: <005201c4d6eb$4d079e20$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer> In-Reply-To: If it is the High Holidays, I would rethink using bacon. Doom ==================================================== A Masters Workshop for Entertainment Technicians, Riggers, Public Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel - Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc. April 4, 5, 6, 2005 at ELCO Performing Arts Center, Elkhart, Indiana Brochure & Registration Form available at: www.riskit.com/workshops ==================================================== Risk International & Associates, Inc. - Dedicated to making the world a healthier & safer place. Website: www.riskit.com E-mail: rdavidson [at] riskit.com ==================================================== International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - Dedicated to the protection of every student in the performing arts. Website: www.isetsa.org E-mail: info [at] isetsa.org ==================================================== 960 E. Bonita #158, Pomona, CA 91767 Phone/Fax: (909) 625-5961 ==================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon Ares Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:39 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Friction For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing > bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of friction > (there are other issues with the bacon). So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the stage floor? -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001301c4d6ed$078c87a0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Friction Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 06:58:19 -0800 > > If it is the High Holidays, I would rethink using bacon. Doom > Ahh, thanks, Doom. Always the clear-viewed, logical and balanced one. What was I thinking? Here I am, directing "A Christmas Carol," with about 1/4 of my cast is Jewish, too. :) -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: Friction Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:00:51 -0800 Message-ID: <007b01c4d6ed$62fc1f60$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer> In-Reply-To: Without too much vetch. Go easy on the bacon .... kosher is the way. Dickens would agree. doom ==================================================== A Masters Workshop for Entertainment Technicians, Riggers, Public Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel - Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc. April 4, 5, 6, 2005 at ELCO Performing Arts Center, Elkhart, Indiana Brochure & Registration Form available at: www.riskit.com/workshops ==================================================== Risk International & Associates, Inc. - Dedicated to making the world a healthier & safer place. Website: www.riskit.com E-mail: rdavidson [at] riskit.com ==================================================== International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - Dedicated to the protection of every student in the performing arts. Website: www.isetsa.org E-mail: info [at] isetsa.org ==================================================== 960 E. Bonita #158, Pomona, CA 91767 Phone/Fax: (909) 625-5961 ==================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon Ares Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:58 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Friction For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > > If it is the High Holidays, I would rethink using bacon. Doom > Ahh, thanks, Doom. Always the clear-viewed, logical and balanced one. What was I thinking? Here I am, directing "A Christmas Carol," with about 1/4 of my cast is Jewish, too. :) -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ From: "Stuart Baulch" Subject: RE: Roadboxes Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:09:58 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sean R. McCarthy asked: I'm in the need of some cable boxes. I REALLY liked the ones that Westsun used to have. I think they were built by a Canadian company. Smooth wood, uber-beefy construction. Anybody know this company? http://www.bigdealcases.com/hardwood.htm But I'm not a fan... seen too many wheels sheered off by crews rushing to make last call. I much prefer the injection moulded ones that Christie Lites is using now - made by Spectrum. Lighter, more adaptable and cheaper (I think). http://www.spectrummfg.net/flight.html Stuart B ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Paper Drafting Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:14:37 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD93 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Think of it as another crayon in the box. >=20 > So is it "kray-on" or "cran"? I say "cran". My wife calls them "colors". :) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001f01c4d6f0$ac7488f0$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil> From: "Rob Carovillano" References: Subject: Color Coding Fixtures Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:24:18 -0500 I might have asked this before but I forget. Is there a documented standard for color coding the barrels on S4 or similiar Lekos? I want to see before I just come up with my own. Rob Carovillano Technical Director Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University 610-660-1044 rcarovil [at] sju.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41AC97D4.2030101 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:55:00 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Personnel Lifts -Again References: Hi List, So while we are on this topic, we just learned that we will be able to fund at least one and maybe two new personnel lifts. We are pretty well informed of the JLG and Genie types of lifts but what we really need is a replacement for the old Upright Model 524 Cherry Picker that has been in sad shape for years and is not able to be repaired. The company wants nothing to do with these devices any more - probably with good reason. What we need is something similar though. Something that will give a work platform at about 25 feet. Something with a footprint that is not excessively wide (the 524 was 36" x 72" sans outriggers). Upright does now make a rolling scaffold unit that would do this but one must climb up the outside of the thing. I'd prefer to be climbing up the inside of the fame and stepping onto the work platform. We also need this to be light enough to be placed on stage platforms that are usually stress-skinned decks on compression legs. Thanks in advance for any assistance. Steve Rees,TD SUNY-Fredonia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 07:54:58 -0800 Subject: Marley was Dead... Message-ID: <20041130.075545.1376.0.ladesigners [at] juno.com> From: Richard Niederberg Dear Jon, And what makes you think there weren't Jews in England during the holiday period when 'A Christmas Carol' as set? Maybe Scrooge didn't celebrate Christmas because he was Jewish. There is no evidence one way or the other as to whether Scrooge was 'Converted' as a part of his 'awakening'. All we know is that he was scared sh*tless of what he saw/dreamt, and wanted to appear to have been 'reformed' to those persons that he had to interact with, such as family and friends, so he could enjoy some happiness in his waning years. Is this a humbug? Certainly! Cynically, /s/ Richard Here I am, directing "A Christmas Carol," with > about 1/4 of my cast is Jewish, too. :) > -- Jon Ares ________________________________________________________________ Juno Platinum $9.95. Juno SpeedBand $14.95. Sign up for Juno Today at http://www.juno.com! Look for special offers at Best Buy stores. ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <155.44db4db3.2eddf3a0 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:02:40 EST Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... In a message dated 11/30/04 10:58:02 AM, ladesigners [at] juno.com writes: > And what makes you think there weren't Jews in England during the >holiday period when 'A Christmas Carol' as set? Maybe Scrooge didn't >celebrate Christmas because he was Jewish. There is no evidence one way >or the other as to whether Scrooge was 'Converted' as a part of his >'awakening'. All we know is that he was scared sh*tless of what he >saw/dreamt, and wanted to appear to have been 'reformed' to those persons >that he had to interact with, such as family and friends, so he could >enjoy some happiness in his waning years. Is this a humbug? Certainly! >Cynically, you may think that your assesment is cynical, , but it's pretty acurate. for all the attempts of regional theatre to make A CHRISTMAS CAROL their Nutcracker equivalent cash cow, it's not a "sweet, little holiday story". Many productions however do everything they can ( in defiance of the original Dickens text ) to make it that sort of production, , I did a fairly accurate adaptation , , ( adapted and directed ) it years ago, , , there were those who "hated" it because I took the "joy" out of it, , , well, , it's really not a particually joyfull novella to be truthful, wish that there were another piece more suitable for the holiday money making needs of regional theatre very best, Keith Arsenault ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:16:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Well, we've been doing it for 31 years pretty successfully. Our production is not totally historically accurate, we include local and regional bits, some pertinent national political bits, and a wonderful jab at Clay Aiken, local international "hero". There is some Scrooge in all of us and our attempt is to lift spirits with good music and song. We seem to have found a formula that has worked for 31 years. Want to see something quite bad watch Kelsey Grammar's musical TV movie. That was quite sadly produced. I felt no emotion for anyone except Kelsey and his inability to draw us into that movie. We play to over 25,000 people a year. Many use our production as a "family get-together" to draw them into the season. Spend Friday after Thanksgiving at the mall and you all will be ready for our show. My two cents. Steve on 11/30/04 11:02 AM, IAEG [at] aol.com at IAEG [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > In a message dated 11/30/04 10:58:02 AM, ladesigners [at] juno.com writes: > >> And what makes you think there weren't Jews in England during the >> holiday period when 'A Christmas Carol' as set? Maybe Scrooge didn't >> celebrate Christmas because he was Jewish. There is no evidence one way >> or the other as to whether Scrooge was 'Converted' as a part of his >> 'awakening'. All we know is that he was scared sh*tless of what he >> saw/dreamt, and wanted to appear to have been 'reformed' to those persons >> that he had to interact with, such as family and friends, so he could >> enjoy some happiness in his waning years. Is this a humbug? Certainly! >> Cynically, > > > you may think that your assesment is cynical, , but it's pretty acurate. for > all the attempts of regional theatre to make A CHRISTMAS CAROL their > Nutcracker equivalent cash cow, it's not a "sweet, little holiday story". > Many > productions however do everything they can ( in defiance of the original > Dickens > text ) to make it that sort of production, , > > I did a fairly accurate adaptation , , ( adapted and directed ) it years ago, > , , there were those who "hated" it because I took the "joy" out of it, , , > well, , it's really not a particually joyfull novella to be truthful, > > > wish that there were another piece more suitable for the holiday money making > needs of regional theatre > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault > > > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Marley was Dead... Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:20:48 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD95 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > wish that there were another piece more suitable for the=20 > holiday money making=20 > needs of regional theatre There is...if you can get an audience to pay nearly full-price for a 45-minute operetta (that isn't "Achmed and the Camels"--I mean, "Amahl and the Night Visitors"). It's "Only A Miracle" by Seymour Barab...I directed it as my senior project in undergrad after reading the libretto and ROFLMAO in the Buffalo Public Library. I don't think it's a question of suitability, but of audience recognition vs. producers' cojones and willingness to take a little risk... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:20:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Color Coding Fixtures From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: My color coding with small colored dots on the sides and top of the yoke: Red- 50 degree or 4.5 x 6 Yellow- 36 degree or 6 x 9 Green- 6 x 12 Blue- 6 x 16 get the idea! Don't have anything longer in inventory. My cable color coding with tape next to each cable head: Red- 5' Yellow- 10' Red/Yellow- 15' Green- 20' Red/Green- 25' Blue- 30' Green/Green- 40' Don't have anything longer in inventory. Steve on 11/30/04 10:24 AM, Rob Carovillano at rcarovil [at] sju.edu wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I might have asked this before but I forget. > Is there a documented standard for color coding the barrels on S4 or > similiar Lekos? I want to see before I just come up with my own. > > Rob Carovillano > Technical Director > Bluett Theatre > Saint Joseph's University > 610-660-1044 > rcarovil [at] sju.edu > > > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Friction Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:23:39 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD96 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > > That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing > > bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of=20 > > friction (there are other issues with the bacon). >=20 >=20 > So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the=20 > stage floor? Kosher issues aside, bacon fat is a PITA to clean afterwards. I'd recommend sticking with a water-based material, like those you can find in the personal hygiene (& lubrication) sections of most stores these days. Now if they just sold it in 5-gallon buckets... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Color Coding Fixtures Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:29:38 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD97 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Not aware of any standards, per se...but we've probably all developed similar color coding systems at one time or other. > My color coding with small colored dots on the > sides and top of the yoke: > Red- 50 degree or 4.5 x 6 > >=20 > My cable color coding with tape next to each > cable head: > Red- 5' > Yellow- 10' > Red/Yellow- 15' > Green- 20' > Red/Green- 25' > Blue- 30' > Green/Green- 40' > Don't have anything longer in inventory. I've seen comments where the closest thing to a standard for cable is using resistor color codes, but my experience has been that a large percentage of stagehand-types (especially students, which is where I've spent most of my time the past few years) don't find it particularly intuitive at the ends of the scale. So I've stuck with a ROYGBIV plan (though backwards...red is shortest, even though it's the longest wavelength). I've used tape on barrel ends based on beam angle and available inventory, and spray paint on connectors for cable (I find that tape tends to come off too easily for my taste). ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000401c4d6fa$05aa4730$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil> From: "Rob Carovillano" References: Subject: Lighting/Music Software Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:31:13 -0500 Anyone know of a software program where I can take an mp3 of a song, and view it on a time line and add text notes at points along the timeline? Rob Carovillano Technical Director Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University 610-660-1044 rcarovil [at] sju.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Friction Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:46:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Booth, Dennis" I wasn't going to go there, but since you've opened the door... I'm reminded of an old adage told to me by an even older, wiser = stagehands. "Don't ever ask a stagehand to lubricate anything unless you're prepared = to watch your backside." Or words to that effect, perhaps ummm... = somewhat courser. DGB Dennis Gill Booth Technical Faculty & Assistant Dean for Operations =A0 North Carolina School of the Arts=20 =A0 School of Design and Production=20 =A0 1553 South Main Street=20 =A0 PO Box 12189=20 =A0 Winston-Salem, NC=A0=A0 27117-2189=20 * Voice:=A0 (336)770-3232 x105=20 * FAX:=A0=A0 (336)770-3213=20 * Email: boothd [at] ncarts.edu=20 * D&P URL: http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/=20 * Faculty=A0URL: http://faculty.ncarts.edu/dandp/booth/ -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul = Schreiner Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:24 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Friction For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > > That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing > > bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of=20 > > friction (there are other issues with the bacon). >=20 >=20 > So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the=20 > stage floor? Kosher issues aside, bacon fat is a PITA to clean afterwards. I'd recommend sticking with a water-based material, like those you can find in the personal hygiene (& lubrication) sections of most stores these days. Now if they just sold it in 5-gallon buckets... ----------------------------------------------=20 This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content and is believed to be clean. ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:52:23 -0500 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... >Want to see something quite bad watch Kelsey Grammar's >musical TV movie. That was quite sadly produced. >I felt no emotion for anyone except Kelsey and his My wife and I got through about 20 min. of that movie. That's all we could stand... Les Lind, TD NHS Dramatics Northeastern High School Manchester, PA ------------------------------ From: "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" Subject: RE: Friction Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:53:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c4d6fd$20f39200$0300a8c0 [at] Roadbox> In-Reply-To: "I'd recommend sticking with a water-based material, like those you can = find in the personal hygiene (& lubrication) sections of most stores these days. Now if they just sold it in 5-gallon buckets..." In this regard - one of the funniest moments in my theatre career was sending our props-purchaser to the pharmacy in a very small town to buy = a case of KY Jelly to lubricate our UHMW runners. Well, that and the time = I accidentally left a tube of the stuff on the lectern in a Synagogue = after lubing up the shock-mounts for the goosenecks ... - J.Minh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:54:29 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Color Coding Fixtures Message-id: <41ACA5C5.691C84F5 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Rob Carovillano wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > I might have asked this before but I forget. > Is there a documented standard for color coding the barrels on S4 or > similiar Lekos? I want to see before I just come up with my own. There is not a documented standard. When I've done such things I try to make sure I'm using the same color code as any theatres with whom I'd swap equipment, just to make it easier to remember. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Marley was Dead... Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:00:11 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Hall, Delbert L." I got though about 25 minutes of it. I thought the costumes were pretty = nice, but the sets were terrible. London was never so clean looking = (not even today). The lighting was far too "bright and happy." This = was not a good production. -Delbert Delbert L. Hall, Ph.D. Professor Phone: 423-439-7912 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of LES = LIND Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 11:52 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >Want to see something quite bad watch Kelsey Grammar's >musical TV movie. That was quite sadly produced. >I felt no emotion for anyone except Kelsey and his My wife and I got through about 20 min. of that movie. That's all we could stand... Les Lind, TD NHS Dramatics Northeastern High School Manchester, PA --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 11/26/2004 =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 11/26/2004 =20 ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <6.39685061.2ede031e [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:08:46 EST Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... In a message dated 11/30/04 12:01:00 PM, HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu writes: > but the sets were terrible. lots of c g i "matte" painting, , , very best, Keith Arsenault ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Friction Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:09:43 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD98 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > In this regard - one of the funniest moments in my theatre=20 > career was sending our props-purchaser to the pharmacy in a=20 > very small town to buy a case of KY Jelly to lubricate our=20 > UHMW runners.=20 No wonder theatre people have reputations for, shall we say, questionable morals. Between case purchases of K-Y and unlubricated condoms (especially on tour in those ultra-conservative midwest towns)... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Marley was Dead... Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:12:32 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B73239A9 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Oh, for cryin' out loud, Del - do you *want* to go ten rounds with Frank = over this? --------------------------------------------------- >London was never so clean looking (not even today). =20 =20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004201c4d701$c296ac10$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:26:39 -0800 > I got though about 25 minutes of it. I thought the costumes were pretty > nice, but the sets were terrible. London was never so clean looking (not > even today). The lighting was far too "bright and happy." This was not > a good production. > I know it was shot in the "made for TV" timeline, but it was apparent that the opening and closing (street) scenes were shot on a backlot in full sun. I found it particularly humorous in the end scene, as it started to 'snow' (some practical plastic flakes on the actors, and the rest digital) - and the sun is casting noontime shadows. They filtered (or digitally filtered) the scene to look overcast - sort of a day-for-night look. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F1601FF93 [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Cc: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net ('seanrmc [at] earthlink.net') Subject: cable boxes Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:33:18 -0800 Sean: Westsun's gear was purchased (for the most part) by Q1 (in Vancouver). Call Hermen and he can probably set you down the right path, either buy used cases, or get you where the other ones were made. Q1 Production Technologies 604-434-6400 www.q1pt.com Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: Friction Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:39:45 -0700 Don't your actors supply enough? -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon Ares So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the stage floor? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:47:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Shot in Budapest. Steve on 11/30/04 12:26 PM, Jon Ares at jonares [at] hevanet.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> I got though about 25 minutes of it. I thought the costumes were pretty >> nice, but the sets were terrible. London was never so clean looking (not >> even today). The lighting was far too "bright and happy." This was not >> a good production. >> > > > I know it was shot in the "made for TV" timeline, but it was apparent that > the opening and closing (street) scenes were shot on a backlot in full sun. > I found it particularly humorous in the end scene, as it started to 'snow' > (some practical plastic flakes on the actors, and the rest digital) - and > the sun is casting noontime shadows. They filtered (or digitally filtered) > the scene to look overcast - sort of a day-for-night look. > > -- Jon Ares > Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts > www.hevanet.com/acreative > http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:50:49 -0500 Subject: Re: Color Coding Fixtures From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: If I am using a crew to help hang lights, I color code the plot too. They then match dots on instruments with color graphics on the plot. Most of these kids don't have a lot of theatre experience, but learn very quickly. I always spend some time at the beginning of each call teaching them something that will help during the call. steve on 11/30/04 11:29 AM, Paul Schreiner at pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu wrote: > I've seen comments where the closest thing to a standard for cable is > using resistor color codes, but my experience has been that a large > percentage of stagehand-types (especially students, which is where I've > spent most of my time the past few years) don't find it particularly > intuitive at the ends of the scale. So I've stuck with a ROYGBIV plan > (though backwards...red is shortest, even though it's the longest > wavelength). I've used tape on barrel ends based on beam angle and > available inventory, and spray paint on connectors for cable (I find > that tape tends to come off too easily for my taste). > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:52:09 -0500 Subject: Re: Friction From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: How about butter-flavored PAM? Steve on 11/30/04 11:23 AM, Paul Schreiner at pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >>> That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing >>> bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of >>> friction (there are other issues with the bacon). >> >> >> So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the >> stage floor? > > Kosher issues aside, bacon fat is a PITA to clean afterwards. I'd > recommend sticking with a water-based material, like those you can find > in the personal hygiene (& lubrication) sections of most stores these > days. > > Now if they just sold it in 5-gallon buckets... > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200411301757.iAUHvIv9089929 [at] a.mail.peak.org> From: "Elliott Family" Subject: RE: Lighting/Music Software Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:57:13 -0800 In-Reply-To: Rob: Adobe Audition 1.5 (which originated as Cool Edit before Adobe bought it out) does this. But I suspect just about any of the sound editing applications can do this. This is available only for PC. In Audition 1.5 (and in Cool Edit), the mp3 (other supported formats are listed below) can be viewed as a waveform or as a spectral view, and the Display Time Formats are as follows: Decimal (mm:ss.ddd) displays time in minutes, seconds, and thousandths of a second. Compact Disc 75 fps displays time in the same format utilized by audio compact discs, where each second equals 75 frames. SMPTE 30 fps displays time in the SMPTE format, where each second equals 30 frames. SMPTE Drop (29.97 fps) displays time in the SMPTE drop-frame format, where each second equals 29.97 frames. SMPTE 29.97 fps displays time in the SMPTE non-drop-frame format, where each second equals 29.97 frames. SMPTE 25 fps (EBU) displays time using the standard European frame rate, where each second equals 25 frames. SMPTE 24 fps (Film) displays time in a format where each second equals 24 frames, suitable for film. Samples displays time numerically, using as a reference the actual number of samples that have passed since the beginning of the edited file. Bars and Beats displays time in a musical measures format of bars:beats:ticks. Custom (X frames/sec) displays time in a custom format. CUE LISTS can be created by placing markers anywhere in the file and then a you can name them whatever you want. The list also supports a second field for further DESCRIPTION. You can PLAY ANY CUE at will by simply double-clicking on it in the list, or highlighting it and clicking Auto Play. You can even double-click a cue in the list over-and-over to create a skipping record effect on the fly. Other supported sound file formats: 64-bit doubles (RAW) (.dbl) 8-bit signed (.sam) A/mu-Law Wave (.wav) ACM Waveform (.wav) Amiga IFF-8SVX (.iff, .svx) Apple AIFF (.aif, .snd) ASCII Text Data (.txt) Audition Loop (.cel) Creative Sound Blaster (.voc) Dialogic ADPCM (.vox) DiamondWare Digitized (.dwd) DVI/IMA ADPCM (.wav) Microsoft ADPCM (.wav) mp3PROR (.mp3) NeXT/Sun (.au, .snd) SampleVision (.smp) Windows Media Audio (.wma) Windows PCM (.wav) PCM Raw Data (.pcm) (.raw) Hope this helps. (I've been using this application for over 4 years and love it. It's extremely easy to use and very powerful.) John Elliott Albany Civic Theater (Oregon) -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rob Carovillano Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:31 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Lighting/Music Software For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Anyone know of a software program where I can take an mp3 of a song, and view it on a time line and add text notes at points along the timeline? Rob Carovillano Technical Director Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University 610-660-1044 rcarovil [at] sju.edu ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:58:16 EST Subject: Re: Paper Drafting In a message dated 30/11/04 12:57:25 GMT Standard Time, paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net writes: > Sorry, but it's not "all" computer drafting. > > I am certainly not against CAD and use it for space planning as I have > mentioned before. I then go on the boards for elevations. It's simply > faster. I can also harness the power of orthographic projection while > looking at a full 30" x 40" drawing without scrolling. The one trouble is getting a reasonable size print-out. Unless you have access to a large format printer or plotter (A3 at least, and preferably bigger), you wind up playing mosaics with several sheets of A4. Very few high street shops, in the UK, can handle CAD files, or DXF files. Personally, as I don't have to deal with densely populated flown bars, I use the generic CIE symbols, with a character inside the symbol to define the actual lantern type. By ringing changes on the colours of the characters, and with a program I wrote some twenty years ago, I can pull the type, dimmer and patch information straight off the drawing into Excel, together with phase balance and approximate location. Add in a field for 'what's it for' information, and all the rigging and plotting information is there. But you do need a big plot. The symbols are on the screen, out of the printing area and in eight orientations. The only trouble is that our inventory changes so often that I have to keep re-writing the program. Plus, the plans have now gone metric, so all the numbers are wrong. Sometimes, it's easier to do it by hand! Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Marley was Dead... Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:11:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Hall, Delbert L." Ahhhhhhhhh..... =20 Delbert L. Hall, Ph.D. Professor Phone: 423-439-7912 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- Oh, for cryin' out loud, Del - do you *want* to go ten rounds with Frank = over this? --------------------------------------------------- >London was never so clean looking (not even today). =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 11/26/2004 =20 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <99.52812fc3.2ede131a [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:16:58 EST Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... In a message dated 30/11/04 17:13:29 GMT Standard Time, rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu writes: > Oh, for cryin' out loud, Del - do you *want* to go ten rounds with Frank over > this? > --------------------------------------------------- > >London was never so clean looking (not even today). You're safe. To start with, I don't like Dickens, although I have read "A Christmas Carol". But it's basically a rathe gloomy work, only lightening up at the end. As for London, it has been much cleaner than it is today. Pepys regarded being rowed up the river as a pleasure trip, and salmon frequented the waters then. It went downhill after that, perking up a bit when Bazalgette installed a better sewage system in the nineteenth century. Alas, this hasn't stood up tho the population expansion. It's not unusual for the sewers to be unable to cope with really heavy rain, with the result that they discharge into the river, including the foul sewers as well as the storm drains. Move back 200 years, and start again. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005c01c4d709$de4d4560$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:24:45 -0800 > It's not unusual for the sewers to be unable to cope > with really heavy rain, with the result that they discharge into the > river, > including the foul sewers as well as the storm drains. Welcome to Portland, Oregon, USA, 2004. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <86.1c569c7e.2ede15ec [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:29:00 EST Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... In a message dated 11/30/04 1:25:26 PM, jonares [at] hevanet.com writes: > > >> It's not unusual for the sewers to be unable to cope > >> with really heavy rain, with the result that they discharge into the > > >> river, > >> including the foul sewers as well as the storm drains. > > > > > >Welcome to Portland, Oregon, USA, 2004. Portland ? ? ? sounds more like Tampa, , if we have a heavy rain during a high tide, , the bay backs up into the storm drainage system, , there's no where for the water to go, not as bad as New Orleans, , if you recall me mentioning this back during Hurricane season when I had to evacuate, where my house stands ( a mile from the bay ) it was 6 feet under water the last time we had a direct hit from a hurricane, , thankfully that was in 1921 very best, Keith Arsenault ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: Marley was Dead... Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:45:58 -0800 Message-ID: <002001c4d70c$d676dd30$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer> In-Reply-To: Go for it Frank. It is your territory. doom ==================================================== A Masters Workshop for Entertainment Technicians, Riggers, Public Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel - Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc. 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For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 30/11/04 17:13:29 GMT Standard Time, rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu writes: > Oh, for cryin' out loud, Del - do you *want* to go ten rounds with Frank over > this? > --------------------------------------------------- > >London was never so clean looking (not even today). You're safe. To start with, I don't like Dickens, although I have read "A Christmas Carol". But it's basically a rathe gloomy work, only lightening up at the end. As for London, it has been much cleaner than it is today. Pepys regarded being rowed up the river as a pleasure trip, and salmon frequented the waters then. It went downhill after that, perking up a bit when Bazalgette installed a better sewage system in the nineteenth century. Alas, this hasn't stood up tho the population expansion. It's not unusual for the sewers to be unable to cope with really heavy rain, with the result that they discharge into the river, including the foul sewers as well as the storm drains. Move back 200 years, and start again. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: Marley was Dead... Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:47:06 -0800 Message-ID: <002101c4d70c$fe6fb690$726dfea9 [at] DrDoomsComputer> In-Reply-To: Please Del ... I am criticized to the max for one worders ... gosh. Unless there is some priority of people ... and there is. doom ==================================================== A Masters Workshop for Entertainment Technicians, Riggers, Public Assembly Technicians, and Educational Performing Arts Personnel - Sponsored by Risk International & Associates, Inc. April 4, 5, 6, 2005 at ELCO Performing Arts Center, Elkhart, Indiana Brochure & Registration Form available at: www.riskit.com/workshops ==================================================== Risk International & Associates, Inc. - Dedicated to making the world a healthier & safer place. Website: www.riskit.com E-mail: rdavidson [at] riskit.com ==================================================== International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - Dedicated to the protection of every student in the performing arts. Website: www.isetsa.org E-mail: info [at] isetsa.org ==================================================== 960 E. Bonita #158, Pomona, CA 91767 Phone/Fax: (909) 625-5961 ==================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Hall, Delbert L. Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:11 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Ahhhhhhhhh..... Delbert L. Hall, Ph.D. Professor Phone: 423-439-7912 -----Original Message----- Oh, for cryin' out loud, Del - do you *want* to go ten rounds with Frank over this? --------------------------------------------------- >London was never so clean looking (not even today). --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 11/26/2004 ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan S. Deull" Subject: RE: Lighting/Music Software Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:51:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I too have used Cool Edit for years and still use it and like it. I wish Adobe hadn't bought it and made it expensive. I wasn't aware that you could annotate the timeline with text. Jonathan Deull Edmund Burke School Washington DC -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Elliott Family Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 12:57 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Rob: Adobe Audition 1.5 (which originated as Cool Edit before Adobe bought it out) does this. But I suspect just about any of the sound editing applications can do this. This is available only for PC. In Audition 1.5 (and in Cool Edit), the mp3 (other supported formats are listed below) can be viewed as a waveform or as a spectral view, and the Display Time Formats are as follows: Decimal (mm:ss.ddd) displays time in minutes, seconds, and thousandths of a second. Compact Disc 75 fps displays time in the same format utilized by audio compact discs, where each second equals 75 frames. SMPTE 30 fps displays time in the SMPTE format, where each second equals 30 frames. SMPTE Drop (29.97 fps) displays time in the SMPTE drop-frame format, where each second equals 29.97 frames. SMPTE 29.97 fps displays time in the SMPTE non-drop-frame format, where each second equals 29.97 frames. SMPTE 25 fps (EBU) displays time using the standard European frame rate, where each second equals 25 frames. SMPTE 24 fps (Film) displays time in a format where each second equals 24 frames, suitable for film. Samples displays time numerically, using as a reference the actual number of samples that have passed since the beginning of the edited file. Bars and Beats displays time in a musical measures format of bars:beats:ticks. Custom (X frames/sec) displays time in a custom format. CUE LISTS can be created by placing markers anywhere in the file and then a you can name them whatever you want. The list also supports a second field for further DESCRIPTION. You can PLAY ANY CUE at will by simply double-clicking on it in the list, or highlighting it and clicking Auto Play. You can even double-click a cue in the list over-and-over to create a skipping record effect on the fly. Other supported sound file formats: 64-bit doubles (RAW) (.dbl) 8-bit signed (.sam) A/mu-Law Wave (.wav) ACM Waveform (.wav) Amiga IFF-8SVX (.iff, .svx) Apple AIFF (.aif, .snd) ASCII Text Data (.txt) Audition Loop (.cel) Creative Sound Blaster (.voc) Dialogic ADPCM (.vox) DiamondWare Digitized (.dwd) DVI/IMA ADPCM (.wav) Microsoft ADPCM (.wav) mp3PROR (.mp3) NeXT/Sun (.au, .snd) SampleVision (.smp) Windows Media Audio (.wma) Windows PCM (.wav) PCM Raw Data (.pcm) (.raw) Hope this helps. (I've been using this application for over 4 years and love it. It's extremely easy to use and very powerful.) John Elliott Albany Civic Theater (Oregon) -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Rob Carovillano Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:31 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Lighting/Music Software For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Anyone know of a software program where I can take an mp3 of a song, and view it on a time line and add text notes at points along the timeline? Rob Carovillano Technical Director Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University 610-660-1044 rcarovil [at] sju.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:52:33 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... Message-id: <41ACC171.3B979676 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Jon Ares wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > > It's not unusual for the sewers to be unable to cope > > with really heavy rain, with the result that they discharge into the > > river, > > including the foul sewers as well as the storm drains. > > Welcome to Portland, Oregon, USA, 2004. And Washington, DC. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000201c4d70e$5a89c9b0$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil> From: "Rob Carovillano" References: Subject: Weird Type of Plate Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:56:45 -0500 Here is a question. We currently have a wooden 2x4 construction pit cover that is getting pretty questionable. I would like to replace it with another wooden cover since we dont have the welding capability. I have found that with the amount we take it on and off the holes drilled for the bolts become stripped very quickly and we then have problems getting the bolts back out. Is there some type of metal plate with holes for screws on the corners and a hole for a carriage bolt in the center that could be placed over the area to be used. I have used torque washers in the past but they dont seem to last very long either. Rob Carovillano Technical Director Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University 610-660-1044 rcarovil [at] sju.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000b01c4d70e$9651e540$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil> From: "Rob Carovillano" References: Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:58:32 -0500 I was looking for something priced closer to $free. Rob Carovillano Technical Director Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University 610-660-1044 rcarovil [at] sju.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Marley was Dead... 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Brandon Slokowski >From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net >Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Roadboxes >Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:41:40 -0800 (PST) > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Hi all.... > >I'm in the need of some cable boxes. I REALLY liked the ones that Westsun >used to have. I think they were built by a Canadian company. Smooth wood, >uber-beefy construction. > >Anyway: > >Anybody know this company? > >Anyone have other suggestions? I'm open to either buying or building >(depending on costs). > >Boxes need to: > >Fit on the lift-gate of an Isuzu city van box truck. >Fit through standard doors. >be stackable (probably max 2 high) >be small enough to be handled by two people (not lifting, or ramp--the big >cable boxes from PRG would be way big) > >These are for cable. > >Thougts? > >--Sean > >Sean R. McCarthy >seanrmc [at] earthlink.net ------------------------------ Subject: Re:Paul Schreiner's lift Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:45:36 -0500 "I never use outriggers." said Tom dangerously! Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ********** E-mail messages sent or received by City of Sarasota officials and employees in connection with official City business are public records subject to disclosure under the Florida Public Records Act. ********** ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20041130124740.017ff060 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:47:40 From: CB Subject: Re: Roadboxes > If they gotta be that small, you may want to consider going to >industrial plastic storage boxes and some furniture dollies. Noooooo! Not if you're going to truck these things, anyways. Plastic boxes and milk crates are for retailers and dairies. Give us an idea ither than bigger than a breadbox, smaller than a PRG (?) cable box. How would these be stacked? Four guys or fork? Tail of the liftgate, perhaps? You can buy aluminium extrusions and make your own roadboxes, buy used fairly cheap, or make angle iron frames and stick baltic birch panels the spaces. How much weight per box are you thinking about? How much of what kind of cable do you need to store/move? Give us more detailed problems and you get more detailed solutions. Plastic boxes are good for fifteen to twenty pounds *in your venue*, more if you don't mind replacing them every other month. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19b601c4d715$1290efb0$0c00a8c0 [at] Nigellaptop> From: "Nigel Worsley" References: Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:44:57 -0000 Rob Carovillano wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Anyone know of a software program where I can take an mp3 of a song, and > view it on a time line and add text notes at points along the timeline? Audacity can do this, and it is free! http://audacity.sourceforge.net Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Elliot Peake's reply to new thread Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:56:08 -0500 Wow Elliot, that was terrific, thanks. Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ********** E-mail messages sent or received by City of Sarasota officials and employees in connection with official City business are public records subject to disclosure under the Florida Public Records Act. ********** ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20041130141816.02d80d00 [at] mail.naisp.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:56:07 -0500 From: "H-High-S (Ferreira, Jr.)" Subject: Re: CAD Text In-Reply-To: References: Hello all: I am in a rather unique position here. We have an AutoCAD course taught by Paul Riley, the co-author of Discovering AutoCAD 20XX, co-authored with Mark Dix and published by Pearson/Prentice Hall. My tech students are taught the basics, then Paul works with them on projects geared towards scenic and lighting design. He has indicated an interest in helping them learn Vectorworks and Wysiwyg as a specialized extension of his AutoCAD program. Since a sizable number of my students enroll in the tech theatre program at Rhode Island College in Providence, many of them start AutoCAD here and continue it there where a business computing instructor now offers sections of AutoCAD for theatre techs only. It has become quite a beneficial program between the two schools and has helped give my students a leg up in prepping for tech/design careers. As we are just about to start the construction for the new theatre complex and creating an honest-to-goodness theatre curriculum, we are jumping into the AutoCAD element of design in a big way. Thankfully, money is being appropriated to obtain the Wysiwyg and Vectorworks software as part of the theatre outfitting, but in the meantime, I am hoping to start taking students to RIC so they can practice on their copies of the programs. Cordially, Joe Ferreira ------------------------------ Subject: Re:Re: Re: ideas for bums in seats Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:01:31 -0500 Hey Chris, How's this: "Irrationally held truths may be more harmful than reasoned errors." Wish I knew who said it. Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ********** E-mail messages sent or received by City of Sarasota officials and employees in connection with official City business are public records subject to disclosure under the Florida Public Records Act. ********** ------------------------------ Message-ID: <058201c4d717$87105270$d39e1518 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: ideas for bums in seats Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:02:31 -0800 > How's this: "Irrationally held truths may be more harmful than reasoned > errors." Wish I knew who said it. > > Marty Petlock Thomas Henry Huxley. ------------------------------ Subject: Technician Position Available Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:07:01 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Paul Sanow" If you or someone you know is interested in the services side of the = industry, Vincent Lighting Systems has a Field Service Technician = position open in our Cincinnati (read Northern Kentucky) office. See = www.vincentlighting.com/info.shtml#KYS for a general job description and = contact information. Thanks for the bandwidth. Regards, Paul *********************************************************** Paul Sanow psanow [at] vls.com Technical Sales www.vincentlighting.com Vincent Lighting Systems 1420 Jamike Ln. #2 Erlanger, KY 41018 (859) 525-2000 x211 FAX (859) 525-2050 *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Message-ID: <886EF25AF8BEF64EB89A820EF84064FF0AA756FC [at] UCMAIL4> From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" Subject: RE: Friction Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:10:07 -0500 Not if your working in the Yiddish Theater Steve Waxler Technical Director College Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati -----Original Message----- From: Jon Ares [mailto:jonares [at] hevanet.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:39 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Friction For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing > bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of friction > (there are other issues with the bacon). So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the stage floor? -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative http://www.wlhs.wlwv.k12.or.us/aresj/theatre/index.htm ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20041130203536.95142.qmail [at] web14121.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:35:36 -0800 (PST) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: Roadbox >I'm in the need of some cable boxes. I REALLY liked >the ones that Westsun used to have. I think they >were built by a Canadian company. Smooth wood, uber->beefy construction. >Anybody know this company? I believe Westsun's boxes were made by Big Deal Cases, a Canadian company that does, indeed, make smooth uber-beefy cases. They did boxes for several shows, and also do one-off projects. They do a lot of standard shapes and sizes, and also a lot of custom stuff. If you can draw it on a napkin, they can probably make it happen. I carry a custom road box that they made for me, and it has taken a lot of abuse without harm. They have a nice website: www.bigdealcases.com June Abernathy IATSE #321 FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41ACEE7E.A00F5420 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:04:46 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Friction References: Paul Schreiner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > That's why teflon, UHMW and rubbing > > > bacon fat on the stage work well - they have low coefficients of > > > friction (there are other issues with the bacon). > > > > > > So... should I, or should I *NOT* keep using bacon fat on the > > stage floor? > > Kosher issues aside, bacon fat is a PITA to clean afterwards. I'd > recommend sticking with a water-based material, like those you can find > in the personal hygiene (& lubrication) sections of most stores these > days. > > Now if they just sold it in 5-gallon buckets... They do sell it in five gallon buckets. Only you find it in the electrical parts distributorship under water soluble cable pulling lubricant. It's not USP, but it is pretty much the same stuff. If you really need a lot, you can get it in 55 gallon drums. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41ACF037.8040306 [at] hillinteractive.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:12:07 -0500 From: howie Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software References: In-Reply-To: Rob Carovillano wrote: > I was looking for something priced closer to $free. Audacity is free & does what you want, but you need to run it on a free operating system, too (Linux or BSD). ---------------Howie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41ACF13B.104A69EF [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:16:27 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Weird Type of Plate References: Rob Carovillano wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Here is a question. We currently have a wooden 2x4 construction pit cover > that is getting pretty questionable. I would like to replace it with > another wooden cover since we dont have the welding capability. I have > found that with the amount we take it on and off the holes drilled for the > bolts become stripped very quickly and we then have problems getting the > bolts back out. Is there some type of metal plate with holes for screws on > the corners and a hole for a carriage bolt in the center that could be > placed over the area to be used. I have used torque washers in the past but > they dont seem to last very long either. > > Rob Carovillano > Technical Director > Bluett Theatre > Saint Joseph's University > 610-660-1044 > rcarovil [at] sju.edu I'm having a hard time understanding your question. Don't have enough information to give a useful answer. How big is the opening you need to cover? What weight bearing capacity per square foot do you need to hold? What kind of finish surface do you need to present? Why do you need bolt holes? --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20041130141550.01cf8bb8 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:36:19 -0800 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Plastic Glides In-Reply-To: References: I don't think that is true, although it is a common assumption. With greater surface contact, the load is spread out more and is therefore less at any given point, creating less friction. So, it's a wash really. You could cover the entire under-surface of your skid with a sheet of UHMW and it would not appreciably change the overall friction of the UHMW against Plyron (or whatnot). Your design should place the runners for the greatest stability and support of your skid. Home Depot furniture glides are usually nylon, although I have found a few labeled polyethylene. They may be UHMW, but that doesn't mean much to the hoipoloi and the manufacturer may simply leave that information out. At 02:30 AM 11/30/2004, you wrote: >However, the amount of contact surface area is what will ultimately = >determine the sliding resistance of the glides, so minimize the surface = >area of the glides as much as possible and also use as few glides on = >your wagons as is possible. UHMW is a low-friction plastic, and not = >surprisingly, "low-friction" means just that -- Not "NO-friction"! Loren Schreiber Director of Production and Technology School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University (619) 594-7711 lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <110.3dff303a.2ede5644 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:03:32 EST Subject: Re: Weird Type of Plate In a message dated 30/11/04 18:58:10 GMT Standard Time, rcarovil [at] sju.edu writes: > Here is a question. We currently have a wooden 2x4 construction pit cover > that is getting pretty questionable. I would like to replace it with > another wooden cover since we dont have the welding capability. I have > found that with the amount we take it on and off the holes drilled for the > bolts become stripped very quickly and we then have problems getting the > bolts back out. Is there some type of metal plate with holes for screws on > the corners and a hole for a carriage bolt in the center that could be > placed over the area to be used. I have used torque washers in the past but > > they dont seem to last very long either. It doesn't sound difficult to make. A piece of 4" x 1/4" steel, 4" long. Four holes near the corners, and one in the middle with a suitable thread cut in it to take the bolts. A fancier solution would be to drill transverse holes, and insert steel dowels with tapped transverse holes to take the bolts. This would probably be stronger. In my opinion, coach bolts are a big no-no. I have used far too much bad language trying to unfasten them. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:13:18 EST Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... In a message dated 30/11/04 19:13:46 GMT Standard Time, HALLD [at] mail.etsu.edu writes: > Randy - I think you are criticized for one word responses that are then > followed by eighteen lines of signature that includes an advertisements for > an upcoming workshop that you are doing, your business, and a professional > association to which you belong. I think it is more of a matter of > proportion than simply making a short response. I, too, have been criticised for over-snipping the messages to which I am replying, and it is important that we on the list can make some relation between the post and the previous message to which it is a reply. I was brought up to save bandwidth, so I can see why Randy does this. In the days of slower connections, and charged connection time, it was more important. But I have to agree that eighteen lines of signature on the end of a one-line message is over the top. My signature line is, I hope, commendably short, being:- Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:17:27 EST Subject: Re: Elliot Peake's reply to new thread In a message dated 30/11/04 19:54:44 GMT Standard Time, Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com writes: > Wow Elliot, that was terrific, thanks. I'm sure that it was. However, since neither the subject nor the message content tells me what it was about, I remain in darkness, unable to respond. No doubt you are all breathing a collective sigh of relief! Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <96E023B6-432B-11D9-B7DD-000D93B4343A [at] cd-romney.com> From: Jason Romney Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:57:27 -0500 On Nov 30, 2004, at 5:12 PM, howie wrote: > Audacity is free & does what you want, but you need to run it on a > free operating system, too (Linux or BSD). > Actually Audacity will run on just about anything including Mac OS X and Windows XP. It is quite a capable program for the price. Jason Romney Sound Design Instructor North Carolina School of the Arts jason [at] cd-romney.com romneyj [at] ncarts.edu http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/ http://www.cd-romney.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001d01c4d739$d13c3c70$6401a8c0 [at] desktop> From: "Rob Carovillano" References: Subject: Re: Weird Type of Plate Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:07:58 -0500 I need to bolt the multiple sections of the pit cover together, if not with bolts, what would everyone suggest. I am trying to find something that will last 5-10 years. Our problem now is the bolts (carriage) stripping the wood away and spinning in place when being removed. Do you think machine bolts would be an adequate solution to this problem or could a not so smart student still sink them too far into the surface? Rob Carovillano ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000301c4d73a$63da9180$6401a8c0 [at] desktop> From: "Rob Carovillano" References: Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:12:05 -0500 And what do you know, I had audacity and didn't even realize I could do this. Thanks guys. Rob Carovillano ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Romney" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Lighting/Music Software > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Nov 30, 2004, at 5:12 PM, howie wrote: > >> Audacity is free & does what you want, but you need to run it on a free >> operating system, too (Linux or BSD). >> > Actually Audacity will run on just about anything including Mac OS X and > Windows XP. It is quite a capable program for the price. > > > Jason Romney > Sound Design Instructor > North Carolina School of the Arts > jason [at] cd-romney.com > romneyj [at] ncarts.edu > http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/ > http://www.cd-romney.com > > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Weird Type of Plate Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:11:59 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A74AD9C [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > I need to bolt the multiple sections of the pit cover=20 > together, if not with=20 > bolts, what would everyone suggest. I am trying to find=20 > something that will=20 > last 5-10 years. =20 What's supporting the cover pieces on their edges now? Last pit cover I had to deal with had the cover sections supported on the US and DS sides with some 1/4" thick angle iron, and the seams between the individual cover sections were held up by 1/4" thick lengths of 3" T-bar. No bolting required (though there was some mortising involved). ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001301c4d73a$522ef2a0$95ecbed0 [at] hppav> From: "Joe Meils" References: Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:11:34 -0600 So, if you feel funny about having a cast for "A Christmas Carol" that's half jewish, does that mean we (gentiles) can't do "Fiddler on the Roof?" Damn... and I was sooooo looking forward to auditioning for it... ("If I were a rich man... yadda dee da dee da dee da doooo....") Joe ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <12d.50ae1855.2ede6bc4 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:35:16 EST Subject: Re: Marley was Dead... In a message dated 11/30/04 7:14:51 PM, bipolarber [at] cyberback.com writes: > > > So, if you feel funny about having a cast for "A Christmas Carol" that's > >half jewish, does that mean we (gentiles) can't do "Fiddler on the Roof?" > >Damn... and I was sooooo looking forward to auditioning for it... ("If >I > >were a rich man... yadda dee da dee da dee da doooo....") > > > >Joe Years ago we did a production of LITTLE SHOP OF HORRORS, , we just didn't have any african amercian girls that were up to the parts of the "chorus", , , so we cast it with white girls and did it more like the "shirelles", the kicker was, , our Jewish shop keeper "Mushnik" was African American, the other footnote to this production was Seymour was played by Scott Leonard, better known today as the short blonde lead tenor with ROCKAPELLA very best, Keith Arsenault ------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.20041201003634.00d53504 [at] pop.paonline.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:36:34 -0500 From: Joe Subject: Re: CAD Programs I've had a bit more of a chance to work with some new CAD programs, so I can add a bit to some comments I've voluneered in the past; There is an AutoCAD clone, called IntelliCAD... but it is not sold directly to customers. Rather, a software vendor can license the source code to make their own distrubution package. It is sold by www.bricscad.com and www.cadopia.com among others, but those seem the be the big names. It costs from $200 to $400 depending on what additional features you want. I used the $200 BricsCAD version, and generally it worked very well. But I did have enough problems and bugs with the 3d that I had to abandon using it. You may do better than I, depending on your video card, etc. There is a free 30 day trial version. The other package, is LT-Extender www.lt-extender.com (about $100). This is a 3rd party add-on to AutoCAD LT, which gives it many of the features of the full version of AutoCAD at a fraction of the cost. My AutoCAD LT 2002 with LT Extender is actually more reliable than when I was using AutoCAD full version. I work exclusively in 3d, so do use all those 3d commands. However, different versions of AutoCAD LT have different amounts of functionality with the LT Extendor package because of the way AutoCAD programed LT. So, you will have to see if it gives you the commands you want. (I think there are a few other 3-rd party providers that have similar goals) Rufus, does your LD Assistant program work with IntelliCAD? That may be an option for some people. I really like the idea of a single package for both set design and lighting. The task of creating in AutoCAd, then creating a simplfied version that is acceptable to import into WYSIWYG for lighting design is not a quick process. And, while I have a 18 year career with AutoCAD, I will certainly be the first to say that its 3d ablilities are very limited even when compared to low-cost CAD packages. Though I have not used it much, I strongly suspect that Vectorworks is the best choice for a theater nowdays. Joe Dunfee joe [at] dunfee.com Gordonville, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c4d74b$842765b0$640aa8c0 [at] GLOBAL.SCJ.LOC> From: "Randy B." References: Subject: Looking for a source for sheet cardboard Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:14:39 -0600 I need some help locating a source for sheets of cardboard. Sometime ago I was able to order sheets of cardboard from Chicago scenic supply in 4x8, 4x10, 4x12 foot sheets in any thickness between 1/4 inch and 1 inch. Well I am in need of some and I can no long find Chicago scenic supply. Anyone have any other sources. I am in Milwaukee, Wisconsin so the closer the better. thanks randy B. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <193.33ef8777.2ede86a1 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:29:53 EST Subject: Re: Re: Marley was Dead... In a message dated 11/30/4 6:14:51 PM, bipolarber [at] cyberback.com wrote: <> Why not??? I once played a "negro sharecropper" in Finian's Rainbow... and I'm pale skinned with blonde haired. Got the part because I can scat sing. A local high school just did "West Side Story" with the northern European "Puerto Ricans". Wish I could convince the local directors to stop using "brown face" though. They don't seem to understand just how racist that is considered to be. Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:38:19 -0500 Subject: Re: Weird Type of Plate From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Machine bolts with TWO washers, one next to the head and one next to the nut. Steve on 11/30/04 7:07 PM, Rob Carovillano at rcarovillano [at] verizon.net wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I need to bolt the multiple sections of the pit cover together, if not with > bolts, what would everyone suggest. I am trying to find something that will > last 5-10 years. Our problem now is the bolts (carriage) stripping the wood > away and spinning in place when being removed. Do you think machine bolts > would be an adequate solution to this problem or could a not so smart > student still sink them too far into the surface? > > Rob Carovillano > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:22:32 -0800 From: Mat Goebel Reply-To: Mat Goebel Cc: theatre-sound [at] listserv.aol.com (theatre sound) Subject: Radio Mic Rental in San Francisco Bay Area Hi All Who's got a favourite vendor to rent radio mics from in the SF bay area? I'm looking for 4 beltpacks, with lav mics, and the receivers for the last week of february and the first two complete weeks of march. Thanks in advance. -- Mat Goebel Cell: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #212 *****************************