Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 18053912; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:00:38 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #291 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 03:00:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URG_BIZ autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #291 1. Re: Scrollwork material ideas by Michael Powers 2. Re: Lockable rope locks by Michael Powers 3. Re: Lockable rope locks by Michael Powers 4. Re: Super Bowl Intermission by "Stephen E. Rees" 5. Re: Super Bowl Intermission by MissWisc [at] aol.com 6. Re: Periaktoi by "Paul Guncheon" 7. Re: Super Bowl Intermission by "richard j. archer" 8. Re: limelight by "Karl G. Ruling" 9. Re: limelight by "Delbert Hall" 10. Poor trucks by "Dougherty, Jim" 11. another bad day at the theatre by "David R. Krajec" 12. Re: You know it's going to be a bad show day when.... by Wood Chip-P26398 13. Re: You know it's going to be a bad show day when.... by Wood Chip-P26398 14. Re: Poor trucks by IAEG [at] aol.com 15. Re: Super Bowl Intermission by "Michael Finney" 16. Suit of Armor by CB 17. Re: Super Bowl Intermission by CB 18. Clapperboard by "Tony" 19. Help by mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu 20. Re: Clapperboard by "Delbert Hall" 21. Re: Super Bowl Intermission by "Andy Leviss" 22. Re: Scrollwork material ideas by Greg Persinger 23. Re: Help by Stephen Litterst 24. Re: Clapperboard by Greg Bierly 25. Re: Help by "Paul H. Sullivan" 26. Re: another bad day at the theatre by Charlie Richmond 27. Re: Clapperboard by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 28. Re: Scrollwork material ideas by MissWisc [at] aol.com 29. Re: Scrollwork material ideas by "Joshua Webb" 30. Re: Clapperboard by Greg Bierly 31. Clapperboard v. Electronic Slates by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 32. Re: another bad day at the theatre by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 33. Re: Help by Greg Williams 34. Re: Clapperboard by "Pamela Abra" 35. Re: carbon filament lamps by Steven Hood 36. Re: another bad day at the theatre by "Moore, Martin W." 37. Re: Lockable Rope Locks by Scott Peterson 38. Re: You know it's going to be a bad show day when.... by Scott Peterson *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 07:41:40 -0500 From: Michael Powers Subject: Re: Scrollwork material ideas Cc: pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu Message-id: <420A0504.8010701 [at] theater.umass.edu> "Paul Schreiner" writes: <<...... He's looking for a lot of decorative scrollwork such as one might find typically made out of cast iron. ........... what I'd be l= ooking for would be an inexpensive ........Something that would take and = hold an intricate shape, yet be lightweight and "economical". ................>> Paul, Heat bent 1/2" PVC pipe! I've used this many times to make scroll work, = cartoon outline trees and various other irregular shapes. To do this yo= u will need a large heat source or several heat guns. You will also need= several pairs of welding gloves for your workers. The last time I did t= his I had a 3'x6' vacuform machine and simply laid the pipe under the ove= n. this allowed us to warm up a large section of tube at a time. I have= also done it using heat guns but it's a bit harder as it is difficult to= heat more than a about 10-12 inches at a time. First, draw out your patt= ern full scale. Next fill the tube with sand and tape both ends shut. T= he sand prevents kinking and helps to hold the heat to extend the working= time. It still cools and hardens rather quickly, although "cool" here i= s relative. Cool enough to harden is still too hot to comfortably hold o= n to. Joints can be made with regular pvc fittings and solvent cement if= the fitting can be hidden or the shape is not objectionable. Of course w= hen the piece is cooled enough to handle, empty all the sand out before y= ou start fastening the pieces together. You can also custom cut with a = coping saw or fine blade band saw and screw, bolt, wrap, even use the sol= vent cement if two pieces fit very tightly together. Plan on losing the l= ast 3-4 inches on each end as it is very difficult to get bends close to = the end without flattening the pipe. This method is cheap and very rigid= =2E In fact the more bends and joints, the more rigid it becomes. Hope = this helps. Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Amherst 413-545-6821 =20 mfpowers (at) theater.umass.edu=20 mptecdir (at) aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:24:35 -0500 From: Michael Powers Subject: Re: Lockable rope locks Message-id: <420A0F13.5080709 [at] theater.umass.edu> FWIW, I've seen two after market devices to "lock" the rope locks. One looked like a very well done but "shop built" the other looked almost as if it might have been supplied by the contractor or the rail manufacturer. The first consisted of a series of forged eye shoulder bolts, bolted to the top flange of the angle iron that the rope locks also bolt to. The eyes were placed about every three feet and lined up so that a 3/4" steel rod passed through the eyes would stop the lock handles from moving, thus locking them in place. A hold drilled through each end of the rod and a padlock through the hole completed the device. There were several rods about 3' long so a section of the rail could be locked or unlocked at a time. The rods could be moved side to side to provide some degree of individual locking control but not completely line by line. The second device was painted in the same gray enamel as the rest of the rail which is why I think it might have been provided by the contractor or manufacturer. It consisted of two pieces of 1-1/2" angle (IIRC) that were connected by short pieces of 1/4"x1" bar stock to form sort of a very narrow ladder with the angle forming the rails and the bar stock making the rungs. The "ladders" were about 4' long and hinged along one rail to the main angle of the locking rail in such a way that they swung down and out of the way when un locked. When in place, the hinged piece of angle was tight against the locking rail angle so a single padlock through a common hole would lock each section. Of course the second piece of angle in the little ladders pushed up tight against the rope lock handles when in place, preventing them from unlocking. While both of these have the disadvantage of not being able to isolate individual line sets for locking or unlocking, the cost factor vs: individual locks would seem to be a big bonus. In addition, any competent metal worker could retrofit either of these on to an existing system in a day or less without taking the system out of commission during the work. IMHO on a new installation, I think I would be inclined to pick the individual lock devices, but on an existing system, I'd probably go for one of these devices. Bill, have you ever seen one of these? Any opinion or thoughts about either of them?? Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Amherst 413-545-6821 mfpowers (at) theater.umass.edu mptecdir (at) aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:35:27 -0500 From: Michael Powers Subject: Re: Lockable rope locks Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Message-id: <420A119F.5050700 [at] theater.umass.edu> "Stephen E. Rees" writes: <> Ahhhh, come on now Steve! Let us know what you really think! Seriously, if you have a problem with them, maybe Tiffin should know! If it is a customer relationship matter, I know they'd want to know. However, if you don't feel right about airing your thoughts publicly, I'd be interested in your opinions and I promise not to pass them on if you send them to me privately. Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Amherst 413-545-6821 mfpowers (at) theater.umass.edu mptecdir (at) aol.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <420A13D2.8080502 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 08:44:50 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Super Bowl Intermission References: Umm, Kristi, you seem to have forgotten the University of Georgia marching band here. GO DAWGS! :) My UW scene design colleague and I had a great time this past football season. B-ball is something else. ;( Steve MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Chris... a double header of Ohio and Wisconsin marching bands??? That's not football, that's nirvana! > > Kristi ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <6b.3e8f7c1a.2f3b7559 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 09:16:57 EST Subject: Re: Super Bowl Intermission Cc: Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com In a message dated 2/8/5 11:46:39 PM, Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com writes: << The Beatles were playing stadiums before I was even a glint in my parents' eyes! >> True, Andy. And thanks for making me feel ancient! ;) Doesn't mean it sounded good. Listen to live recordings from the 60s and 70s - not good quality at all. No wonder it's rarely done now (well that and the fact so many of the current performers don't have the vocal skills to pull it off). Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005501c50eb2$2caa4110$0202a8c0 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> From: "Paul Guncheon" References: Subject: Re: Periaktoi Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 04:18:04 -1000 I seem to recal someone requesting information about constructing periaktoi. Please contact me off list and I'll share what I can remember. Laters, Paul "If I eat more than three, I'll be stuffed" said Tom forgetfully. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:44:26 -0500 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Super Bowl Intermission > > >In a message dated 2/9/05 12:46:39 AM, Andy [at] DucksEchoSound.com writes: > ><< The Beatles were playing stadiums before I was even a glint in >my parents' eyes! >> Keith Arsenault adds > >ever watch footage of the famous SHEA STADIUM concert? and look at the >"sound system" > >it's laughable by todays' standard, , > >if memory serves me right, , SHURE VOCAL MASTER Columns,, spaced around the >stadium > >in the days BEFORE digital delay, , etc > >yikes, , , with all that screaming, , and that sound sytem, , no one heard a >thing that they were singing Hey, I remember this. I must be ancient. My younger brother went to Shea for the '65 concert. $5 for a ticket(plus $.65 tax) I stayed home. But then, I left Woodstock after setting up some staging. Vox made some special amps for the Beatles. A whopping 100A of power.The sound probably only got from the second base stage to home even without the 55,600 screaming fans. If interested you can no doubt Google it up. Dick A TD, Cornell Univ ------------------------------ From: "Karl G. Ruling" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:02:31 -0500 Subject: Re: limelight Reply-to: kruling [at] esta.org Message-ID: <4209EDC7.6838.6D1C9E [at] localhost> In-reply-to: > > correct you are, , , but according to most historical records I have > read it did give off a greenish light News to me. I'm only part way through Penzel, Frederick, Theatre Lighting Before Electricity. Middletown, Connecticut: Wesleyan University Press, 1978, but so far nothing about lime light being green. Green light would not be what I would expect from the physics. Lime light is a solid block of CaO, heated to white-hot incandescence by a hydrogen-oxygen flame. Solid bodies usually behave as black body radiators and give off a broad spectrum of light, usually weighted toward the red end of the spectrum. Hydrogen-oxyen flames are famous for being invisible, so there is no light produced there. The CaO burns away in the process, so some of it winds up as a gas, which might make light in the flame. I can't find a characteristic resonance specification for the calcium oxide, but if we assume that it disassociates in the flame into calcium and oxygen, we can look at those resonances. The resonance line for calcium is at 422.7 nm, which is in the extreme blue/violet end of the spectrum, and oxygen is someplace else. It's used in some scientific reference lamps to produce 130 nm UV light. I can find some other references to oxygen resonating to produce red light at 630 nm and infrared at 777 nm. In any case, I don't see how lime colored light could be produced by lime light. If anyone has a block of quick lime and an oxy-hydrogen flame, we could experiment. BTW, oxygen-hydrogen flames are used for flame-polishing plastic. With no carbon, there's no soot to mess up the finish, but you can't see the flame. ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: limelight Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 11:21:45 -0500 To the best of my knowledge the limelight, developed around 1830, used a natural gas flame (which is visible) to heat calcium or quick lime. When heated, the calcium burns and gives off a bright light that has a higher concentration of light from the "green" and less from the "red" parts of the spectrum than the flame from the light of the gas flame. Limelights were used in "magic latern" projectors in the mid 1800's. I saw a number of these projectors in the Museum of Science in London in August. -Delbert Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) Karl Ruling said: > >Green light would not be what I would expect from the physics. Lime >light is a solid block of CaO, heated to white-hot incandescence by a >hydrogen-oxygen flame. Solid bodies usually behave as black body >radiators and give off a broad spectrum of light, usually weighted >toward the red end of the spectrum. Hydrogen-oxyen flames are famous >for being invisible, so there is no light produced there. The CaO >burns away in the process, so some of it winds up as a gas, which >might make light in the flame. I can't find a characteristic >resonance specification for the calcium oxide, but if we assume that >it disassociates in the flame into calcium and oxygen, we can look at >those resonances. The resonance line for calcium is at 422.7 nm, >which is in the extreme blue/violet end of the spectrum, and oxygen >is someplace else. It's used in some scientific reference lamps to >produce 130 nm UV light. I can find some other references to oxygen >resonating to produce red light at 630 nm and infrared at 777 nm. > >In any case, I don't see how lime colored light could be produced by >lime light. If anyone has a block of quick lime and an oxy-hydrogen >flame, we could experiment. > >BTW, oxygen-hydrogen flames are used for flame-polishing plastic. >With no carbon, there's no soot to mess up the finish, but you can't >see the flame. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:21:11 -0500 Subject: Poor trucks From: "Dougherty, Jim" Message-ID: Not wanting to bash Ryder, I'll only say this truck was yellow. And yes, I should have checked first, but... We had a truck full of scenery on the side of the road for a couple of hours because the alternator failed. Fortunately, I suppose, because as part of the whole, "Gee why won't the truck run" search we found it also had no engine oil. On the bright side, the repair truck, when it came, had on board the correct replacement alternator and away we went without having to unpack and repack with just myself and my copilot. I had filled the crankcase by then, and we were rid of the truck before the repercussions of the drought in the engine could be felt. They heard about the episode, though, that's for sure. - Jim Dougherty ATD, Middlebury College ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: another bad day at the theatre Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 12:26:04 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: While I didn't experience this first hand, I got it from the horses mouth. My advisor at Kent State University was one of the consultants at the E.J. Thomas Performing Arts Hall at the University of Akron. It was designed (in the 1970's) with a moveable ceiling so that you could open the venue for major concerts and close it down for intimate shows. The counterweights for the ceiling were these HUGE polished metal cylinders that hung in the lobby. The cable was terminated using crosby clips. It was interesting to see how people avoid the space under the cylinders during intermission. Anyway, the day came for the first movement of the ceiling. As the ceiling started to move, they stood on the stage to watch the spectacle. The sound of bending and rending metal started to echo throughout the hall. As he said, "It is a sound that is close to your heart." They stopped the ceiling and went up to discover that one of the contractors did not do what they were told to do. All of the blocks used in this machine were mounted to I-beams with nothing to prevent twisting. They had to tie off the ceiling, unrig all of the line sets and cut out all of the twisted I-beams. Ouch! Fortunately, no one was hurt, but that was an expensive repair job. David Krajec Cardinal Stritch University ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014D202957F6D8118924000F20D7342B02490288 [at] az33exm01.corp.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: You know it's going to be a bad show day when.... Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:31:48 -0700 Your phone has that much memory to put ALL the nearest Starbucks? Wow! Chip Wood -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB Nowadays, I lso put the number of the nearest Starbucks (in case of emergencies) into the cell phone DOA. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014D202957F6D8118924000F20D7342B024902BB [at] az33exm01.corp.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: You know it's going to be a bad show day when.... Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:48:16 -0700 Worst audience I ever played for was a Mensa group. Having dumped them in college, I knew the attitude. We are smarter than everyone else and it is our JOB to let them know it. Very small venue and the actors heard every glib and smart-ass comment, which was trying to out-smart-ass the previous one. One of the better ones was the local mental hospital. Like kids, they really got into it. Chip Wood -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB >And every time one of those lines came, the >charming audience would take it up like a call-and-response One decent usher with his wits about him could have solved the entire problem. With this audience, however, I begin to think about taking up the cry to legalize retro-active abortions... ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <15c.49c8324f.2f3bb52b [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 13:49:15 EST Subject: Re: Poor trucks In a message dated 2/9/05 1:21:53 PM, jdougher [at] middlebury.edu writes: << Not wanting to bash Ryder, I'll only say this truck was yellow. And yes, I should have checked first, but... >> just know that YELLOW Ryder trucks are actually the same company as BUDGET, , White Ryder Trucks are Ryder Transportation, there are lawsuits galore, , the yellow trucks were to have stopped using the Ryder name some time ago according to my friends at Ryder Transportation very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, FL ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Super Bowl Intermission Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 11:38:45 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Michael Finney" CB wrote: <> The set-up was pretty typical this year - music on track, vocals live (although there *is* a vocal "guide track" available for either sweetening or in case somebody goes badly off-mic). Monitors were a mix of stage monitors running pretty darned loud (mostly for the crowd of volunteers) and in-ears for the talent. Some years and acts are a little different - Aerosmith last year (pre-game) also had a Perry's guitar live (which sounded amazing!), as did Santana the year before (ditto "amazing"!)...and in both cases the monitors were primarily wedges on the stage front with manly side-fills. And how about putting the Stanford marching band in one end zone and the USC band in the other and then launching them at each other? Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050209131835.02066458 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:18:35 From: CB Subject: Suit of Armor > I am awaiting a catalog from Tobin's Lake Studios, but does >anyone have any other sources for under $500 for two suits? Get in touch with your local rennaissance era re-enactment organization, either the Society for Creative Anachronism, or the Renn Faire folk. One of those should be able to get you going in the right direction. Or, you might try shipping for a suit of armor is about $180 american to the US, so I'm not sure what you'd have left for rental. Call 'em up and ask. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050209134703.02066458 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 13:47:03 From: CB Subject: Re: Super Bowl Intermission >ever watch footage of the famous SHEA STADIUM concert? and look at the >"sound system" Supposely less than 200 (yep, two HUNDRED) watts for 55,000 svreaming fans. Most of the folk there didn't hear the Beatles that day... I'm guessing Paul heard less that day than he did Sunday. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <027f01c50eef$acf3d240$0800000a [at] Tony> From: "Tony" References: Subject: Clapperboard Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:38:16 -0000 Urgent request from one of the local groups here. Anyone have a clapperboard for loan/rent this weekend, please? Obviously needs to be pretty close to the UK Midlands due to short timescale. Cheers Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1107985134.420a82ee309f6 [at] mail.cumberlandcollege.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 16:38:54 -0500 From: mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu Subject: Help Hey y'all, Anyone make a suggestion on where I could rent/borrow a Boat Load of 3 pin cable cheap. I live pretty much in the middle of nowhere so Knoxville TN or Lexington KY are the closest major cities that I could actully drive to. Shipping I think would be brutial, but to pick them up would mean A) Road Trip, B) Road Trip Any suggestions would be helpful Ping me on or off list Thanks Moe Maurice "Moe" Conn Designer/Technical Director Kohn Theatre Cumberland College 606-539-4520 mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu Thank You Everyone for Supporting the Long Beach Long Riders efforts to raise money for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights Aids. Stay Tuned as the Long Reach Long Riders set off on there second aventure. Check Out: www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: RE: Clapperboard Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:46:47 -0500 OK Ynot, what is a "clapperboard?" -Delbert Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) > >Urgent request from one of the local groups here. > >Anyone have a clapperboard for loan/rent this weekend, please? > >Obviously needs to be pretty close to the UK Midlands due to short >timescale. > >Cheers >Ynot > > ------------------------------ From: "Andy Leviss" Subject: RE: Super Bowl Intermission Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:56:14 -0500 Organization: Duck's Echo Sound Message-ID: <001001c50ee9$d31f4d60$a19afea9 [at] AndyLeviss> In-Reply-To: Keith wrote, in response to my mention that McCartney and the rest of the Beatles played stadiums back in the 60's > yikes, , , with all that screaming, , and that sound sytem, , > no one heard a > thing that they were singing Well, yeah, that was my point. If he could do it with that technology and that noise 40 years ago, I'm sure with today's technology, which makes the sound much clearer, much more controllable, and just generally better, he'd have no problem. The Super Bowl was far from the worst he's had to deal with, and you know that back then he wasn't tracking it. --Andy P.S.-According to a discussion we had on the Theatre-Sound list recently, the Beatles were on Voice of the Theatres at Shea, too. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:02:49 -0600 Subject: Re: Scrollwork material ideas From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: For heating PVC pipe try one of the big propane camping heaters. The type that clamp to the top of a propane tank. They put out a lot of even heat with about a 14" wide spread. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:03:30 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Help Message-id: <420A88B2.DCC8462E [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu wrote: > Anyone make a suggestion on where I could rent/borrow a Boat Load of 3 pin > cable cheap. I live pretty much in the middle of nowhere so Knoxville TN or > Lexington KY are the closest major cities that I could actully drive to. Bandit Lites is in Knoxville. I'd bet they have plenty. I have no knowledge of their rental rates, however. 2233 Sycamore Drive. Knoxville, TN 37921 Phone: 865-971-3071 Fax: 865-971-3072 -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Clapperboard Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:04:08 -0500 I assume that is a movie "thingie" that takes and reel notes are on to synch up sound and image at the beginning of a take (you see the stereotypical guy say "take 215" and slap the wooden rail on the chalkboard). Over here you can buy them at various video purchase stores and novelty stores. Wrong side of the pond for you. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050209171240.020e8188 [at] pop.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 17:16:46 -0500 From: "Paul H. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Help In-Reply-To: If I'm not miss-remembering Bandit had an office in Knoxville. At 04:38 PM 2/9/2005 -0500, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Hey y'all, > >Anyone make a suggestion on where I could rent/borrow a Boat Load of 3 pin >cable cheap. I live pretty much in the middle of nowhere so Knoxville TN or >Lexington KY are the closest major cities that I could actully drive to. >Shipping I think would be brutial, but to pick them up would mean A) Road >Trip, B) Road Trip > >Any suggestions would be helpful >Ping me on or off list > >Thanks >Moe > >Maurice "Moe" Conn >Designer/Technical Director >Kohn Theatre >Cumberland College >606-539-4520 >mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu > >Thank You Everyone for Supporting the Long Beach Long Riders efforts to raise >money for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights Aids. Stay Tuned as the Long Reach >Long >Riders set off on there second aventure. >Check Out: www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html Paul H. Sullivan Production Manager Times Union Center for the Performing Arts Jacksonville FL 32202 (904) 633-6192 (904) 633-6190 fax ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 22:42:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: another bad day at the theatre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, David R. Krajec wrote: > While I didn't experience this first hand, I got it from the horses mouth. OK.... well... I really didn't think I'd be contributing to this thread since, luckily, I've had very few bad theatre days.... But this one was really bad..... At one of the presentation spaces at Expo 86 in Vancouver, the audience was on a revolve with a solid divider to keep sounds from the two opposite presentation spaces from bleeding into each other. The divider mated solidly with an acoustic seal with a dividing wall that cut right across the revolve. One audience watched the preshow and the other watched the main show, then the revolve spun around and the first audience watched the main show while the other went out the exit and the next one came in, found their seats and watched the preshow.... Can you see where this is going??? ON THE VERY FIRST DAY THIS OPENED a father in the back row put his little girl on his shoulders so she could watch the other audience/show area move around..... It was just about the saddest and most gruesome theatre accident accident I had ever heard about. And the poor operator of the revolve was a completely inexperienced young person who had received absolutely no training in how to deal with emergencies plus there was NO ESTOP, accessible power switch or any sort of sensor to prevent this sort of thing!!!! This was the most appalling lack of safety in design and the facility was, of course, shut down immediately (after the investigation and inquest) and all power was removed from the revolve and it was dismantled after Expo ended.. I am still in tears just thinking about this... Charlie ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <145.3f1212a3.2f3bf00e [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:00:30 EST Subject: Re: Clapperboard In a message dated 09/02/05 21:47:48 GMT Standard Time, flyingfx [at] hotmail.com writes: > OK Ynot, what is a "clapperboard?" It is a device used for synchronisation purposes in real film work. It's a small blackboard with a sideways hinged top, about a foot square or less. The top and the hinged piece have opposed diagonal stripes. On the larger part is written, usually in chalk, the title of the production, the shot number, and the take number. At the start of every shot, the 'clapper-boy' announces these, and then bangs the top down. This provides a visible and audible sync mark, for the film editor. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <6a.4ebc5fba.2f3bf8a8 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:37:12 EST Subject: Re: Scrollwork material ideas Cc: mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu In a message dated 2/9/5 6:43:50 AM, mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu writes: << Heat bent 1/2" PVC pipe >> Just curious... what kinds of fumes come from this product when it's heated? Respirator needed? Kristi ------------------------------ Message-id: Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 19:01:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Scrollwork material ideas Cc: mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu From: "Joshua Webb" References: In-Reply-To: I've heard rumors of noxious fumes resulting but never experienced this first hand. Does it fall into the realm of "Urban legend"? Joshua G. Webb Designer/Technical Director Worcester Academy 81 Providence St. Worcester, MA 01604 508.754.5302 x174 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Clapperboard Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:07:39 -0500 Well said Frank, a much better description than mine. ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:13:21 GMT Subject: Clapperboard v. Electronic Slates Message-Id: <20050209.161355.12571.53798 [at] webmail05.lax.untd.com> Of course, ELECTRONIC slates are used extensively these days to display the time code, which wirelessly chases the timecode that is already imbeded in the Vertical Interval of the video, as well as on the Control Track of the DAT, so the editors can spend the majority of their time being artists, rather than having to sync picture to sound so frequently. I gave away my Moviola, and no longer rent Kem flatbeds reading KeyCode, now that my use of Avids have given away to Final Cut Pro 4.5 HD editing programs and ProTools running on dual processor G5s. /s/ Richard > OK Ynot, what is a "clapperboard?" It is a device used for synchronisation purposes in real film work. It's a small blackboard with a sideways hinged top, about a foot square or less. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:35:02 GMT Subject: Re: another bad day at the theatre Message-Id: <20050209.163518.12571.53920 [at] webmail05.lax.untd.com> A Disneyland employee was killed in a similar accident at the 'Carosel of Tomorrow'. The revolve was divided into 3 equal wedges, and the employee broke the rules, defied common sense, and took a chance by going from one audience area to another while the ride was in motion; she was caught between the fixed and moving walls and was killed. I do not recall whether the Disney of Expo accident occurred first, but you would think that whichever ride was placed in service second would be designed by someone who would have heard about the previous accident. /s/ Richard At one of the presentation spaces at Expo 86 in Vancouver, the audience was on a revolve with a solid divider to keep sounds from the two opposite presentation spaces from bleeding into each other. The divider mated solidly with an acoustic seal with a dividing wall that cut right across the revolve. One audience watched the preshow and the other watched the main show, then the revolve spun around and the first audience watched the main show while the other went out the exit and the next one came in, found their seats and watched the preshow.... Can you see where this is going??? ON THE VERY FIRST DAY THIS OPENED a father in the back row put his little girl on his shoulders so she could watch the other audience/show area move around..... It was just about the saddest and most gruesome theatre accident I had ever heard about. And the poor operator of the revolve was a completely inexperienced young person who had received absolutely no training in how to deal with emergencies plus there was NO ESTOP, accessible power switch or any sort of sensor to prevent this sort of thing!!!! This was the most appalling lack of safety in design and the facility was, of course, shut down immediately (after the investigation and inquest) and all power was removed from the revolve and it was dismantled after Expo ended..I am still in tears just thinking about this... Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:05:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Help From: Greg Williams In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4CB9AA7E-7B08-11D9-8A24-000393DB9BBC [at] appstate.edu> On Wednesday, February 9, 2005, at 04:38 PM, mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu wrote: > Hey y'all, > > Anyone make a suggestion on where I could rent/borrow a Boat Load of 3 > pin > cable cheap. Hey Moe, After our hang this weekend, you're welcome to use all that we have left over. I believe you know the way? If anyone else helps ol' Moe out, do NOT under any circumstances allow this man to lift a cable, not even a spare stage pin! He's fresh outta shoulder surgery, and we need him healthy for the Long Reach ride! -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager, Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University ------We're at it again!!!------ Check out the Long Reach Long Riders cross country fund raiser for BC/EFA at http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007101c50f17$97ab5660$fedcb440 [at] pamscomputer> From: "Pamela Abra" References: Subject: Re: Clapperboard Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:24:04 -0800 Are there not any independent film organizations in the city you are in?? There is usually an independent film society or a film school that you might be able to rent one from reasonably... I guess it depends on your location. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Bierly" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Clapperboard > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I assume that is a movie "thingie" that takes and reel notes are on to > synch up sound and image at the beginning of a take (you see the > stereotypical guy say "take 215" and slap the wooden rail on the > chalkboard). Over here you can buy them at various video purchase stores > and novelty stores. Wrong side of the pond for you. > > > Greg Bierly > Technical Director > Hempfield HS > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050210034017.12322.qmail [at] web20828.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:40:17 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Hood Subject: Re: carbon filament lamps In-Reply-To: You could also look at http://www.vandykes.com Some really neat stuff there... Like the other folks said, Rejuvenation is neat stuff, too... Cheers, all... I'm slowly catching up on the last four months-worth of digests... Can I just say: PM and TD is a bad way to combine jobs when you don't have fully-trained shop carps... Makes for some frustrating moments when you get out of production meetings and instructions have been forgotten/misunderstood. Time for sleep. Exhausting day. Steven Hood TD/PM Regent Uni __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: another bad day at the theatre Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:59:58 -0500 Message-ID: <52573592B96EB84CACF62C7C31D6A98E0BA9A9 [at] vcc-ex1.win.rpi.edu> From: "Moore, Martin W." Cc: drkrajec [at] stritch.edu And 20 years on in Akron the back wall of the concert enclosure took off and dug a neat rectangular hole in the stage --- the drive wheel for the wall was only bolted to its winch, not bolted then fully welded. And the bolts over the ~2 decades gradually all got cut thru by the reversing action of the winch raising and lowering, and finally the last bolt(s) gave way. Stage machinery design/installations, which include ceilings, were, and in some cases still are, very amateurish (to use a British term of abuse) Martin =20 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of David R. Krajec Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:26 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: another bad day at the theatre For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- While I didn't experience this first hand, I got it from the horses mouth. My advisor at Kent State University was one of the consultants at the E.J. Thomas Performing Arts Hall at the University of Akron. It was designed (in the 1970's) with a moveable ceiling so that you could open the venue for major concerts and close it down for intimate shows. The counterweights for the ceiling were these HUGE polished metal cylinders that hung in the lobby. The cable was terminated using crosby clips. It was interesting to see how people avoid the space under the cylinders during intermission. Anyway, the day came for the first movement of the ceiling. As the ceiling started to move, they stood on the stage to watch the spectacle. The sound of bending and rending metal started to echo throughout the hall. As he said, "It is a sound that is close to your heart." They stopped the ceiling and went up to discover that one of the contractors did not do what they were told to do. All of the blocks used in this machine were mounted to I-beams with nothing to prevent twisting. They had to tie off the ceiling, unrig all of the line sets and cut out all of the twisted I-beams. Ouch! Fortunately, no one was hurt, but that was an expensive repair job. David Krajec Cardinal Stritch University ------------------------------ Message-ID: <420B01F7.2000407 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 22:40:55 -0800 From: Scott Peterson Subject: Re: Lockable Rope Locks References: In-Reply-To: Hi all, We manage a small theater on an elementary school campus in our district that has 14 line sets, and not a lot of supervision. We made 1/2" steel pipes, about 6ft long that slide down between the rope lock handle and the front rope. The pipes have 4" long forged eyebolts attached with nylocks. Then the eye bolts (2 per pipe) are padlocked to forged eye bolts that are bolted to the lock-rail. The pipes run parallel to the rail, covering 6-8 linesets. The pipes prevent the rings from coming up over the rope lock handle, thus the counterweight system cannot be used by un-authorized folks. It works pretty well, as long as the staff puts the pipes back on after a show. This system prevents "helpful" teachers or parents from moving drapes or the strip lights without permission. We copied this idea from a friend at Glendale High School. Hope this helps.. -Scott Scott Peterson, Technical Director Highlander Auditorium / Upland Unified School District scott.peterson [at] upstgctr.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <420B1300.9 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:53:36 -0800 From: Scott Peterson Subject: RE: You know it's going to be a bad show day when.... References: In-Reply-To: One time... We were doing a High School Theater Festival with 1400 kids. During the awards at the end of day 3, Some poor soul slams his truck into a big power pole down the street. That killed the theater, school campus, and a square mile or 2 of the city. The only emergency lighting was a few fluorescant fixtures in the ceiling. We dragged out 2 powered speakers, plugged them into the 1 receptacle on the emergency generator, finished the awards, and sent the kids home. Then we struck all the gear with the doors open, as the sun went down. Oh, and of course, the power came back on once we left. Same theater festival, different year... Back before cell phones were popular, I sent two of my 'senior' technicians in a 16ft school district box truck into LA on a friday to pick up a rental lighting package for a weekend theater festival. On the way out, they managed to blow an outside rear tire (dualley) on the freeway. They keep going, but said they were more careful. The gear wasn't ready on time, so they left LA late. On the way back, they're in the carpool lane, on a friday afternoon (yeah, stupid...) and the driver gets sick with food poisoning from a burrito at lunch on the drive out. So now he's trying to drive, and puking, and trying to get off the freeway across 4 lanes of traffic, with a fully loaded truck. They arrived 2 hours late because of traffic, and having to stop and hose out the cab. We had to empty that truck friday night, and swap with another district truck, since the shop guys wouldn't work on the tire until monday.. But the festival went great, and my boss and I took the new truck with the gear back 2 days later, with no problems... Power and Water don't mix... Then there was the time we had to load in a big dance competition, on a thursday night, with NO power at all in the theater. All we had were 2 500w floodlights on a generator. A pipe had burst in the afternoon and flooded the basement where our main transformer is located. So the basement had to be pumped out for the electricians to get in and dry off the transformer. We restored power way after midnight, and started the dance competition at 6am on friday. I really want to stop doing festivals... -Scott Scott Peterson, Technical Director Highlander Auditorium / Upland Unified School District scott.peterson [at] upstgctr.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #291 *****************************