Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.6) with PIPE id 20922815; Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:00:55 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.6 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #331 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 03:00:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.1 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_SBL autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #331 1. Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island by murr rhame 2. moving lights etc. by kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il 3. Re: Tech Packet by Brian Munroe 4. adhesives by "RODOK!!!" 5. Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island by Bruce Purdy 6. Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island by "Bll Conner" 7. Re: adhesives by "Storms, Randy" 8. Re: AOL update for those who use AIM by "Storms, Randy" 9. Re: AOL update for those who use AIM by IAEG [at] aol.com 10. Re: AOL update for those who use AIM by Bill Sapsis 11. Re: adhesives by Brian Munroe 12. Regarding the digest by "Muller, David" 13. Re: retensioning handlines by "C. Dopher" 14. DLP vs LCD for big projectors by Boyd Ostroff 15. Re: retensioning handlines by "Rob Carovillano" 16. Re: Regarding the digest by Noah Price 17. Saw Stop Cabinet Table Saw by Robert Hayes 18. Re: Regarding the digest by Greg Bierly 19. Re: Saw Stop Cabinet Table Saw by Steve Larson 20. Re: AOL update for those who use AIM (erotica/Shel silverstein) by Herrick Goldman 21. Re: retensioning handlines by Bill Sapsis 22. Re: AOL update for those who use AIM by Stephen Litterst 23. Re: adhesives by "jknipple" 24. Re: Color Codes by Scott Parker 25. Re: DLP vs LCD for big projectors by "Tom Heemskerk" 26. Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 27. Re: Saw Stop Cabinet Table Saw by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 28. Balloons and smoke alarms by "Storms, Randy" 29. Re: adhesives by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 30. Re: Balloons and smoke alarms by "Jon Ares" 31. Re: Balloons and smoke alarms by "Joe Golden" 32. Re: Balloons and smoke alarms by John McKernon 33. Re: Balloons and smoke alarms by "Jared Clarkin" 34. Re: Balloons and smoke alarms by "Bill Bodell" 35. Re: adhesives by "jknipple" 36. Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island by CB 37. Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island by Wood Chip-P26398 38. Re: Regarding the digest by Thomas Quinn 39. Re: Consoles by CB 40. Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island by "Paul Schreiner" 41. Re: Balloons and smoke alarms by Dale Farmer 42. insurance carriers, slightly OT by CB 43. Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU by CB 44. Re: Balloons and smoke alarms by "Randy Whitcomb" 45. Re: Balloons and smoke alarms by "Rob Carovillano" 46. Re: Balloons and smoke alarms by Steve Larson 47. Re: Balloons and smoke alarms by "Randy Whitcomb" 48. Work Lights by Heather Carter 49. Re: Work Lights by "James, Brian" 50. Re: Balloons and smoke alarms by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" 51. Re: Work Lights by "Brandon Slokowski" 52. The Lord of the Rings, the Musical by "Michael S. Eddy" 53. Re: insurance carriers, slightly OT by "Jack Morones" 54. Re: Work Lights by Greg Persinger 55. Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 56. Re: insurance carriers, slightly OT by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 57. Re: Work Lights by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 58. Re: DLP vs LCD for big projectors by Boyd Ostroff 59. Re: The Lord of the Rings, the Musical by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 60. Re: AOL update for those who use AIM by MissWisc [at] aol.com 61. Re: Balloons and smoke alarms by Stuart Wheaton 62. Re: Saw Stop Cabinet Table Saw by Stuart Wheaton 63. Re: Saw Stop Cabinet Table Saw by Stuart Wheaton 64. Re: DLP vs LCD for big projectors by Mat Goebel 65. Re: DLP vs LCD for big projectors by Boyd Ostroff 66. Re: Saw Stop Cabinet Table Saw by Dale Farmer 67. Re: Stage Pin Connectors (BATES vs. Entertainment Power Systems) by "Thad Kramer" 68. Re: Work Lights by Bruce Purdy 69. New Theatre Wish List by Mat Goebel *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:00:32 -0500 (EST) From: murr rhame Subject: Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 14 Mar 2005, Bruce Purdy wrote: > IMHO, the term "Pyrotechnics" (and restrictions therefore) is > far too broad and general. As I understand it, NFPA lumps > everything from fireworks down to a small piece if flash paper > together as "Pyrotechnics". > > When I as a Magician set off a 2"x 3" piece of flash paper, the > risk is in an entirely different league from the fireworks that > was used at the station. Nonetheless, my understanding is that > such use would be equally restricted. This seems entirely wrong > to me. NFPA has two separate code books for pyrotechnics and one for flame effects. NFPA-1123 regulates display fireworks. NFPA-1126 regulates pyrotechnics before a proximate audience. NFPA-160 covers flame effects before an audience. NFPA restrictions are generally proportioned to the level of danger. For example, the minimum distance to the audience for flash paper and other small devices is 15 feet. The minimum audience separation distance for a twelve inch fireworks shell is 840 feet. NFPA calls both of these pyrotechnics but I wouldn't say they're arbitrarily lumped together. State and local regs may be far more (or much less) restrictive than the NFPA regs. The address for comments about the NIST draft report is: NIST welcomes comments on the report, available at http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/ncst.htm#draft_report, which are received by April 4, 2005. Comments may be sent via surface mail to The Station Investigation, NIST, 100 Bureau Dr., Stop 8660, Gaithersburg, Md. 20899-8660; via fax to (301) 975-4052; or via e-mail to ncst [at] nist.gov. - murr - ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1110892068.4236de246c11d [at] webmail.tau.ac.il> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:07:48 +0200 From: kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il Subject: moving lights etc. Somebody wrote: "All this, and your other replies, do is show us (again) that you know no= t of what you speak!" This reminds me of a discussion I had about 25 years ago with an electric= ian who wanted to hang onto his resistance dimmers instead of getting himself electronic ones. The discussion lasted two hours! In a way he had a point= : he wanted to work with equipment he knew, could deal with if it went wrong, = and so on. But you can guess the end of the story: of course he got the new dimm= ers. Moral: we often like things to stay as we learned them, but the world mov= es on! Judy ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:18:35 -0500 From: Brian Munroe Reply-To: Brian Munroe Subject: Re: Tech Packet In-Reply-To: References: Brian (nice name) - just a few notes on your tech package: pg10 - 600 pound batten capacity, 1200 pound arbor. Yes, double purchase, but you should emphasize that again when you list arbor cap. pg11 - "Outlets located.....(5 total)" What type of outlets? stagepin, 20A edison? pg11 - Front of House Transfer - this seems vague and/or confusing pg12 - references DMX line running to SL near the power disconnect. Under "Power" you indicate that the disconnect is SR. p12 - cable pick points. Is this referring to electrical/multi cable pick point or rigging points? What do you mean by "some steal available...?" Steel hanging points, beams, steel cable? p21 (rigging plot) - under "House Positions" it says "See FOH truss rigging diagram." This does not appear to be included. Also, it should be a little clearer that "House Positions" means FOH rigging points. Some more detail about what the rigging points are and what is needed to rig to them would be helpful. p23 - seating diagram. The stage appears at an angle to the auditorium. Is that correct? General stuff - Where are the installed speakers installed? Location, height,distance DS from prosc. etc. Does this venue have a rep lighting plot typically hung? Is the truss the only position FOH? No rail, coves, box booms etc. How do you focus the truss position? Any provisions for booms (pipe, base, sidearms, safety points)? Any spot line rigging available? rope, loft blocks, etc. What is the usual location for road dimmers? On deck SR? It helps to indicate this specifically, sometimes the disconnect is not near dimmer beach. length of feeder cable run from disconnect to rack location? Something I like to see on tech packs is a listing of all the power in the venue in one list, in addition to listings in the appropriate departments. Might not be a big deal in a venue of your size, but it helps to know. Any power for automation or chain motors? This package looks pretty good. Hope this helps. Brian Munroe brian [at] themunroes.com On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 15:55:35 -0500, James, Brian wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Sorry to bring up an old topic....... > > Many people jumped in with advice and help with my question about tech packet content. > > For better or worse, my packet is completed. > > If you would like to see what the end results, using every ones suggestions, looks like, I have included the link below. > > If you see it and have more comments, I am always game for improvement. > > http://www.uusa.vt.edu/eventServices/ProdServices/PDF/BurrrTechSpring05.pdf > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4236EB2B.3020002 [at] telus.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:03:23 -0700 From: "RODOK!!!" Subject: adhesives Does anyone know of a good, non-toxic adhesive in a spray can that will join soft upholstery foam to fabrics? Rod Osiowy Wild Theatre Cranbrook, BC 250-426-5241 x.610 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 09:05:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: murr rhame wrote: > > > NFPA has two separate code books for pyrotechnics and one for > flame effects. NFPA-1123 regulates display fireworks. > NFPA-1126 regulates pyrotechnics before a proximate audience. > NFPA-160 covers flame effects before an audience. NFPA > restrictions are generally proportioned to the level of danger. > For example, the minimum distance to the audience for flash paper > and other small devices is 15 feet. The minimum audience > separation distance for a twelve inch fireworks shell is 840 > feet. NFPA calls both of these pyrotechnics but I wouldn't say > they're arbitrarily lumped together. State and local regs may be > far more (or much less) restrictive than the NFPA regs. Thank you for the information. I apologise if I was misinformed, and am always glad to be set straight. (Learn from this, Frank.) I do have a pdf copy of NFPA-1126, but I don't see the separation of which you speak. I see no reference to flash paper at all (Although I had been told it was covered as a pyrotechnic device). 15' is indeed listed as a minimum distance for all pyrotechnic devices, but I don't see any reference to 840' for the 12"shell. Is that based on your own experience with them and their fallout radius? Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002a01c5296b$5aff2fc0$8d01a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bll Conner" From: "Bll Conner" Subject: Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:29:10 -0600 In 1992 there was a proposal to change The Life Safety Code to permit pyro indoors. I was against it then for the simple reason that once open flames were removed from the theatre in the early 1900's because of the advent of the electric light bulb, the Age of Theatre Fires ended. I did not prevail and I did make the statement that the removal of the prohibition would probably result in the next great loss of life fire in an assembly occupancy. In my opinion, having spent nearly 20 years researching theatre fires, it isn't worth it. It is much more likely that "It's not allowed" will be enforced than "It's allowed if you are certified and do it as prescribed in this 40 page book and so on". Face it, were penalized everyday by the errors of a few. Regards, Bill ------------------------------ Subject: RE: adhesives Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:54:33 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B7323A35 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Try this website: www.thistothat.com =20 It has come to my rescue in several gluing-related challenges. Cheers, -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu --------------------------------------------------- Does anyone know of a good, non-toxic adhesive in a spray can that will=20 join soft upholstery foam to fabrics? Rod Osiowy Wild Theatre Cranbrook, BC 250-426-5241 x.610 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: AOL update for those who use AIM Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:03:14 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B7323A36 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" This reminded me of something - I was startled the other day to discover = at the bookstore a volume of quasi-erotic cartoons and poems authored = and illustrated by Shel Silversteen. I guess maybe his original = audience is all grown up and getting horny... -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu --------------------------------------------------- Actually I have a picture in my mind of AOL putting out an "adult coffee table book" ,think that Madonna book from the 80's, that contains essentially a compilation of Adult creative writing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:07:09 -0500 From: IAEG [at] aol.com Subject: Re: AOL update for those who use AIM Message-ID: <3D4AF79A.1E95A5B3.00002B9E [at] aol.com> probably re prints of stuff he did for PLAYBOY years and years ago, , keith arsenault ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:11:46 -0500 Subject: Re: AOL update for those who use AIM From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: on 3/15/05 10:03 AM, Storms, Randy at rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu wrote: > > This reminded me of something - I was startled the other day to discover at > the bookstore a volume of quasi-erotic cartoons and poems authored and > illustrated by Shel Silversteen. I guess maybe his original audience is all > grown up and getting horny... Or maybe he is. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:20:21 -0500 From: Brian Munroe Reply-To: Brian Munroe Subject: Re: adhesives In-Reply-To: References: I would try 3M spray-77. You can also try 3M's surface bonding selection tool at http://selector.3m.com/selector/us/en/manufacturing_industry/engineered_adhesives/surface/ss.asp?FAM=surface. Brian Munroe brian [at] themunroes.com On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 06:54:33 -0800, Storms, Randy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Try this website: www.thistothat.com > It has come to my rescue in several gluing-related challenges. > > Cheers, > -- r. > > Randy Storms > rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Does anyone know of a good, non-toxic adhesive in a spray can that will > join soft upholstery foam to fabrics? > Rod Osiowy > Wild Theatre > Cranbrook, BC > 250-426-5241 x.610 > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3FBB59451418D511B53E00B0D0AADEBD982F03 [at] pa-es1.arts.ucla.edu> From: "Muller, David" Subject: Regarding the digest Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:21:41 -0800 Is there any movement forward in reworking the digest? with 74 messages it makes skimming the digest for only topics of interest impossible. Sorry folks don't have time to read everyone's posts as much as I would like. In addition all the extra information at the beginning makes it hard to see the topic issues. I'm for dropping all the extra info in the index and getting numbers back in the body. Just my opinion. David Muller, Technical Director B100 Royce Hall Box 951529 Los Angeles, CA 90095-1529 310. 794.4048 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:27:44 -0500 Subject: Re: retensioning handlines From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Steve Litterst wrote: > We remedied the situation with tape but I'll > go add some tie-wraps to the lines for added security. And operator training/re-training, I hope? Not saying there was fault to that knot coming undone, but refreshers are good for everybody. Cris Dopher, LD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:29:40 -0500 (EST) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: DLP vs LCD for big projectors Message-ID: I'm looking for someone who has actual experience using "big iron" LCD and DLP projectors in the 10,000 lumen ballpark. I am pretty familiar with what to expect from the big DLP units (Barco, Christie, Digital Projection). I'm doing a production in South America this summer and spec'ed a 10,000 lumen DLP projector. They are planning to use a Sanyo PLC-XF45 LCD projector for the large screen: http://www.sanyo.com/business/projectors/large%5Ffixed/index.cfm?productID=648 Now this is lower resolution than the big Barco DLP's, but I can handle that. I'm just worried that they rate the brightness differently. This unit sells for about $14,000 without lens. Barco's 6,000 lumen DLP projector (RLM R6+) is $22,500 without lens. Seems a little too good to be true - although I'm all for a bargain. Anyone have any experience with these? Are LCD and DLP projectors really that different in price? (Please don't respond by saying "I really like my 3,000 lumen projector... I already know what to expect from those :-) Also - if anyone is interested in the high powered Barco projectors, I just returned from an incredible two day session with them in Scottsdale. They invited me and 8 other designers out to discuss their products, provide some guidance for the future, and of course show off all their toys. They really gave us the red carpet treatment :-) We also saw their LED products for video walls and similar things and those are quite remarkable as well. Their new 27,000 lumen DLP projector is mind boggling. If there's general interest I can write up a summary of the various products, or let me know if you have any specific questions. | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:36:25 -0500 From: "Rob Carovillano" Subject: Re: retensioning handlines Message-id: <000201c52974$bffcfb60$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil> References: Just to throw some gasoline on the fire.... Our handlines are manilla (quite painful manilla for operators without gloves) but our bottom blocks are fixed not the adjustable. Go figure... I guess when the different installers or the University has seen the $20 price difference between fixed and adjustable they just went with the fixed. Bill - you said you had been in here before, any memory on the reason for the fixed blocks? Anyway I guess tensioning is going to become a weekly/monthly procedure. Rob Carovillano Technical Director Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University 610-660-1044 rcarovil [at] sju.edu ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <76d03bccdc41fd792a4e7b42582776bf [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: Regarding the digest Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 07:41:45 -0800 On Mar 15, 2005, at 7:21 AM, Muller, David wrote: > Is there any movement forward in reworking the digest? In general list suggestions and questions should go to stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net, since I don't read all the list posts. I know you've sent me email directly in the past on this topic, too. To answer the question, there are no specific changes available yet. I've been evaluating several ways to improve both the digests and the archives. Thanks, Noah -- | Noah Price | http://stagecraft.theprices.net/ | | Stagecraft Mailing List | stagecraft-web [at] theprices.net | ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6f9d7315d71fd1ff9d788b7a51729c5e [at] georgetown.edu> From: Robert Hayes Subject: Saw Stop Cabinet Table Saw Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:46:21 -0500 As I am equipping our new Performing Arts Center here at Georgetown Univ, an interesting debate has come up. I have been looking into the purchase of 10" cabinet saw manufactured by SAW STOP (www.sawstop.com has faq's and great video clips). As I am always looking for ways to improve safety without compromising usability, the Saw Stop 10" seems to be right in line. The question is - does this offer up a false sense of security? Does this diminish the healthy amount of fear - thus respect for the tool? When the students work elsewhere, somewhere that does not have this technology, how will it change...etc, etc. And the debate goes on from there. Thoughts? Robbie Hayes Program in Performing Arts Georgetown University ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4b7fad106fda2ad1cebfaf0eb77278e0 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Regarding the digest Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:51:36 -0500 > Is there any movement forward in reworking the digest? > > with 74 messages it makes skimming the digest for only topics of > interest > impossible. > > Just my opinion. With as easy as it is these days to set up accounts why don't you set up a free email account just for your stagecraft mail. If you check it once a day as if it were digest then you can scan individual subjects and senders. You can sort by thread, sender, chronological. And you can do it at your own convenience. My opinion. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:57:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Saw Stop Cabinet Table Saw From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: How do we acquire fear? From experience or from a teacher? Consider that. sjl > From: Robert Hayes > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:46:21 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Saw Stop Cabinet Table Saw > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > As I am equipping our new Performing Arts Center here at Georgetown > Univ, an interesting debate has come up. > I have been looking into the purchase of 10" cabinet saw manufactured > by SAW STOP (www.sawstop.com has faq's and great video clips). As I am > always looking for ways to improve safety without compromising > usability, the Saw Stop 10" seems to be right in line. > The question is - does this offer up a false sense of security? Does > this diminish the healthy amount of fear - thus respect for the tool? > When the students work elsewhere, somewhere that does not have this > technology, how will it change...etc, etc. And the debate goes on > from there. > Thoughts? > > Robbie Hayes > Program in Performing Arts > Georgetown University > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:06:20 -0500 Subject: Re: AOL update for those who use AIM (erotica/Shel silverstein) From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: There are 2 evenings of short plays called Shel's Shorts. I designed one of them a few years back. They deal with very adult themes. Some are eerie and some are really amazing plays on words. Especially one about SH*T. Photos here: Shel used to write for Playboy in the 70's. Dr. Demento (I'm dating myself) used to play a recording of him reading "The world's greatest Smoke Off" I still have it memorized. By no means did he only write for children and his stuff is wonderful. Lyrics to The smoke off are here: Enjoy. -H PS Frank if you go to the Shel's Shorts page on my website you'll see a very tiny theater. I used only ONE moving light (an auto yoke with scroller and Iris). This was 2 nights in rep with another LD. 22 short plays in total, we found it useful to have a repositionable special. It's apparent in some images and not so much in others. Of course I used way way too much color for your taste but I'll get over it. :) On 3/15/05 10:03 AM, "Storms, Randy" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > This reminded me of something - I was startled the other day to discover at > the bookstore a volume of quasi-erotic cartoons and poems authored and > illustrated by Shel Silversteen. I guess maybe his original audience is all > grown up and getting horny... > -- r. > > Randy Storms > rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Actually I have a picture in my mind of AOL putting out an "adult coffee > table book" ,think that Madonna book from the 80's, that contains > essentially a compilation of Adult creative writing. > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:08:21 -0500 Subject: Re: retensioning handlines From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: on 3/15/05 10:36 AM, Rob Carovillano at rcarovillano [at] verizon.net wrote: > Just to throw some gasoline on the fire.... > > Our handlines are manilla (quite painful manilla for operators without > gloves) but our bottom blocks are fixed not the adjustable. Go figure... I > guess when the different installers or the University has seen the $20 price > difference between fixed and adjustable they just went with the fixed. > > Bill - you said you had been in here before, any memory on the reason for > the fixed blocks? > > Anyway I guess tensioning is going to become a weekly/monthly procedure. Fixed blocks and Manila? A lousy combination. We did some work in there back in '83 or '84. Do I remember what it was? I remember that it was a renovation, of sorts. I know that, even way back then, I wouldn't have put in a fixed floor block on a manila system so they must have had a reason for keeping the original ones in there. Probably, as you said, an economic decision. Sorry. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:36:13 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: AOL update for those who use AIM Message-id: <42370EFC.92DB84EE [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: "Storms, Randy" wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > This reminded me of something - I was startled the other day to discover at the bookstore a volume of quasi-erotic cartoons and poems authored and illustrated by Shel Silversteen. I guess maybe his original audience is all grown up and getting horny... Uncle Shelby's Book of A-B-Zs? That's been around quite a while. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: adhesives Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:00:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: "jknipple" Make sure that you're in a well ventilated area when you use it. I've been told that it has adverse effects on the reproductive system.=20 I worked at a theater that used booger tape instead of spray adhesive because of the toxicity factor. I'm not sure that would work with foam and fabric, but it might. Jim James Knipple =20 Technical Director REP Stage - www.howardcc.edu/repstage Student-Alumni Arts - Howard Community College=20 - www.howardcc.edu/studentarts jknipple [at] howardcc.edu 410-772-4451 >I would try 3M spray-77. =20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c998050315100742b84e07 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:07:04 -0500 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: Scott Parker Subject: Re: Color Codes In-Reply-To: References: Most of the people I know, and all of my theaters, use the rainbow. r o y g b i v from short to long. red is a 5' cable or a 50deg unit. Orange is the next length, etc... Skip what ever colors you can't get. hth, Scott On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 18:20:31 -0500, Jeffrey Kanyuck > I'm looking for the color codes that the list had come up with for > lengths of cables and lighting lens degrees. -- Take care, Scott Scott C. Parker ------------------------------ Message-ID: <62921.66.183.177.34.1110910133.squirrel [at] 66.183.177.34> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:08:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: DLP vs LCD for big projectors From: "Tom Heemskerk" > We also saw their > LED products for video walls and similar things and those are quite > remarkable as well. Their new 27,000 lumen DLP projector is mind boggling. > If there's general interest I can write up a summary of the various > products, or let me know if you have any specific questions. > ;-) Boyd, do you think these would be bright enough for Surtitles? Once the've been bounced off a mirror in the UK, that is... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:13:05 EST Subject: Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island In a message dated 15/03/05 14:30:31 GMT Standard Time, bill-conner [at] att.net writes: > In 1992 there was a proposal to change The Life Safety Code to permit pyro > indoors. I was against it then for the simple reason that once open flames > were removed from the theatre in the early 1900's because of the advent of > the electric light bulb, the Age of Theatre Fires ended. I have news for you. Open flames are common in European Opera Houses, when the production needs them. I have seen them in London, Paris, Bordeaux, Toulouse, and Bayreuth. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <126.58e15f36.2f688122 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:19:14 EST Subject: Re: Saw Stop Cabinet Table Saw In a message dated 15/03/05 16:01:01 GMT Standard Time, tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com writes: > How do we acquire fear? From experience > or from a teacher? Consider that. I think experience has to win. A near miss makes you more careful. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: Balloons and smoke alarms Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:21:45 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B7323A38 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" We have an ongoing problem with helium-filled balloons getting loose in = our lobby area, and then drifting into the path of one of our optical = smoke detectors and setting off the alarm. We have already permanently banned balloons in our facility, but they = just. keep. sneaking. in. =20 So what I need now is a system to remove rogue balloons trapped against = a 50' ceiling, before they have the opportunity to cause a problem. My = first idea, a pellet gun, was rejected for two reasons:=20 1) We're a school, and a pellet gun would violate our weapons policy. 2) If our aim was bad there would be potential for damage to occur to = lighting, the ceiling, etc. A "poker" on a 50' pole is unwieldy, and bringing in the scissor lift is = not cost effective. Suggestions? -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <9b.5b4fe87e.2f688268 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:24:40 EST Subject: Re: adhesives In a message dated 15/03/05 17:01:45 GMT Standard Time, jknipple [at] howardcc.edu writes: > I worked at a theater that used booger tape instead of spray adhesive > because of the toxicity factor. That is a new one. Just what is 'booger tape'? I know what I suspect it to be, but firm information is always valuable. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c5298c$faa980e0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Balloons and smoke alarms Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:29:52 -0800 > So what I need now is a system to remove rogue balloons trapped against a > 50' ceiling, before they have the opportunity to cause a problem. My > first idea, a pellet gun, was rejected for two reasons: > > 1) We're a school, and a pellet gun would violate our weapons policy. > 2) If our aim was bad there would be potential for damage to occur to > lighting, the ceiling, etc. > > A "poker" on a 50' pole is unwieldy, and bringing in the scissor lift is > not cost effective. > > Suggestions? An electrified mesh grid below the sensor? Those mylar balloons are mighty spectacular when they hit something electrified! :) (Our school is also a 'latex-free' zone, so our errant balloons are mylar. Funny story from earlier this year: optical smoke sensor in our school was set off by a rogue balloon. But no ordinary rogue balloon - it was a carefully constructed (and impressive) helium-filled levitating penis and testicles. Got to give creative kids some credit some days. -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Balloons and smoke alarms Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:30:20 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Joe Golden" You take a 16" or 24" balloon and take some light weight tape and push some T-pins through it so you can tape them to the top of the balloon and make a reverse pin cushion. Attach a spool of monofilament to it and let it float to where the balloons are trapped and pop away! E-mail me direct for better info. Joe Golden Joe at elslights dot com > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf=20 > Of Storms, Randy > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:22 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Balloons and smoke alarms >=20 >=20 > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20 > > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > We have an ongoing problem with helium-filled balloons=20 > getting loose in our lobby area, and then drifting into the=20 > path of one of our optical smoke detectors and setting off the alarm. >=20 > We have already permanently banned balloons in our facility,=20 > but they just. keep. sneaking. in. =20 >=20 > So what I need now is a system to remove rogue balloons=20 > trapped against a 50' ceiling, before they have the=20 > opportunity to cause a problem. My first idea, a pellet gun,=20 > was rejected for two reasons:=20 >=20 > 1) We're a school, and a pellet gun would violate our weapons policy. > 2) If our aim was bad there would be potential for damage to=20 > occur to lighting, the ceiling, etc. >=20 > A "poker" on a 50' pole is unwieldy, and bringing in the=20 > scissor lift is not cost effective. >=20 > Suggestions? >=20 > -- r. >=20 > Randy Storms > rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:31:21 -0500 Subject: Re: Balloons and smoke alarms From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > So what I need now is a system to remove rogue balloons trapped against a 50' > ceiling How about a remote-controlled model airplane with pins on its wings? The worst that could happen is it would foul in balloon remains and die in a flaming crash...;) More likely, get yourself one of those little (3') remote-controlled helium filled blimps and use it to poke or pop the balloons. - John ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:31:58 -0500 From: "Jared Clarkin" Subject: Re: Balloons and smoke alarms Seasame street live uses a helium balloon with gaff tape attached to the top used on a fishing pole to retrieve loose balloons stuck in the ceiling. Jared ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Balloons and smoke alarms Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:41:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Bill Bodell" I always use two helium balloons tied two a light weight fishing line on = the top balloon, I put some pieces of gaffe tape rolled so I have a = sticky side out. shut off the HVAC system and go upside down fishing Bill Bodell Technical Director Frauenthal Center for the Performing Arts 425 W. Western Ave. Muskegon, MI 49441 Voice (231) 722 9750 ext. 127 Fax (231) 722 4616 E-mail bbodell [at] cffmc.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Storms, Randy Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:22 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Balloons and smoke alarms For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- We have an ongoing problem with helium-filled balloons getting loose in = our lobby area, and then drifting into the path of one of our optical = smoke detectors and setting off the alarm. We have already permanently banned balloons in our facility, but they = just. keep. sneaking. in. =20 So what I need now is a system to remove rogue balloons trapped against = a 50' ceiling, before they have the opportunity to cause a problem. My = first idea, a pellet gun, was rejected for two reasons:=20 1) We're a school, and a pellet gun would violate our weapons policy. 2) If our aim was bad there would be potential for damage to occur to = lighting, the ceiling, etc. A "poker" on a 50' pole is unwieldy, and bringing in the scissor lift is = not cost effective. Suggestions? -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: adhesives Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:42:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: "jknipple" What we used was the Scotch ATG Adhesive System. Check it out on the web at http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/manufacturing_industry/engineer ed_adhesives/node_GS50WGKHC7be/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_WHG0MWH6QPge/gvel _058C75DM9Kgl/theme_us_adhesivetape_3_0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_ht ml It's basically like taping something, except you only use the sticky adhesive part of the tape. They have a gun that you use to apply it. It's pretty cool and very safe, and it works really well (when the gun doesn't jam). I've used it to tape velour to flats, luan strips to plexiglass, and probably 20 other uses and it's fantastic. We call it booger tape because you can ball the adhesive up and it looks like, well, I think you can guess what it looks like. Jim James Knipple =20 Technical Director REP Stage - www.howardcc.edu/repstage Student-Alumni Arts - Howard Community College=20 - www.howardcc.edu/studentarts jknipple [at] howardcc.edu 410-772-4451 >Just what is 'booger tape'? I know what I suspect it to=20 be, but firm information is always valuable.=20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050315115104.016e7798 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:51:04 From: CB Subject: Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island > When I as a Magician set off a 2"x 3" piece of flash paper, the risk is >in an entirely different league from the fireworks that was used at the >station. Nonetheless, my understanding is that such use would be equally >restricted. This seems entirely wrong to me. Welcome to legislation for the least common denominator. Now, if they proposed legislation that reduced the amount of stupid people, I'd be all for that. All these serioulsy restrictive laws and lables are saving the lives of stupid people every day, and allowing them to breed. Yup, leagues of additional stupid people. Smart people tend to breed (notice that I am pointing out a 'tendancy', not indicating that this is a fact, or that you MUST fall into either category depending on your dependants) in ones and twos, if at all, and stupid people have yet to figure out birth control, or the correlation between offspring and alcohol consumption. Reproduction being the first law of evolution, the conclusion is that people are going to get stupider by the generation until the planet is too dangerous to survive. This list just may be the last bastion of people who think. With notable exceptions, of course. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014D202957F6D8118924000F20D7342B03FB3AF8 [at] az33exm01.corp.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:10:59 -0700 Think there is a Heinlein or Bradbury future here? The world run by "STAGECRAFTERS"? Everything would be safety wired, stage pinned, and the only food would be coffee and peeps. Chip Wood -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB the conclusion is that people are going to get stupider by the generation until the planet is too dangerous to survive. This list just may be the last bastion of people who think. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:12:36 -0700 From: Thomas Quinn Reply-To: Thomas Quinn Subject: Re: Regarding the digest In-Reply-To: References: Hey folks, if anyone wants a gmail account for this, I have 50 invites, just send me a note. the conversation feature makes the single message mode of this list work Awsome!! ~tom tjquinn [at] gmail.com On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:51:36 -0500, Greg Bierly wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- "To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world* - Unknown Thomas Quinn tjquinn [at] gmail.com Battle 4 Heaven Productions P.O.Box 6504 Broomfield, CO 80021 (877) 793-5175 Fax and Voicemail ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050315121036.016e7798 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:10:36 From: CB Subject: Re: Consoles > If the video is projecting "lighting", then fine - give >it to me, I'd love to use video projectors to produce sunlight gently >rippling through the trees. If it's "scenery", then leave it in the hands of >someone else. I'll be happy to let the lighting console trigger cues, but >I'm way too busy dealing with the lighting to add "projections designer" to >my job description. Shioot, you know that sound is gonna end up doing it! I already have the projector in its roadcase! I think he may have beeen indicating that lighting instruments are leaning toward projections styled technology to change color and stuff, and it won't be long before it isn't too hard to feed it an RGB signal and make it do images. If the difference between getting an instrument to do 'green', and 'this here picture of some background' is a few keystrokes on the lighting console and having the image stored on the lighting console's hardrive, it seems pretty logical that lighting will get the gig. Presently, with projection being a whole nuther technology and technique, I agree with you. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:20:44 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C75E [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Think there is a Heinlein or Bradbury future here? The world=20 > run by "STAGECRAFTERS"? Everything would be safety wired,=20 > stage pinned, and the only food would be coffee and peeps. And donuts. It'd have to be a union house, after all! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42373781.25F0F84D [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:29:06 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Balloons and smoke alarms References: "Storms, Randy" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > We have an ongoing problem with helium-filled balloons getting loose in our lobby area, and then drifting into the path of one of our optical smoke detectors and setting off the alarm. > > We have already permanently banned balloons in our facility, but they just. keep. sneaking. in. > > So what I need now is a system to remove rogue balloons trapped against a 50' ceiling, before they have the opportunity to cause a problem. My first idea, a pellet gun, was rejected for two reasons: > > 1) We're a school, and a pellet gun would violate our weapons policy. > 2) If our aim was bad there would be potential for damage to occur to lighting, the ceiling, etc. > Stupid policy, a low powered pellet gun is the best solution. As for objection number two, just need more practice. As others have said, tethered balloons with sticky and or pointy things on the top us the usual improvised on the spot solution. One memorable day ( now safely past the statute of limitations ) we tried bottle rockets. Didn't pop many balloons, but it was an interesting day. A more permanent solution is this stuff that is sold in commercial building catalogs as a pigeon deterrent. It's a metal strip with all sorts of spiky bits coming out of on one side. Balloon floats up, hits this stuff and *POP* no more balloon. It ought to discourage pigeons from nesting in your smoke alarms too. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050315125407.016e7798 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 12:54:07 From: CB Subject: insurance carriers, slightly OT >I am doing some volunteer work with a non-profit renaissance >re-enactment group. The SCA (Socieaty for Creative Anachronism) is an international rennaissance re-enactment group, and a great resource. As members, the SCA would cover events. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050315130313.016e7798 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:03:13 From: CB Subject: Re: ETC Expression/Express Wireless RFU >I missed this one in my previous post. It is not 'automation'.. It needs >exact programming by the LD. The term 'automation' refers to the ability of the instrument to automatically change these parameters during a show in response to a set of directions electronically pre-determined by the director, the LD and the operator. It is, in fact, automation. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000601c5299b$ab3f76e0$6501a8c0 [at] D4D3R151> From: "Randy Whitcomb" References: Subject: Re: Balloons and smoke alarms Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:15:00 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Storms, Randy" >We have an ongoing problem with helium-filled balloons getting loose in our >lobby area, and then drifting into the path of one of our optical smoke >detectors and setting off the alarm. >We have already permanently banned balloons in our facility, but they just. >keep. sneaking. in. Randy, Do you have beam detectors in the lobby or just adjacent areas? If they are in the lobby, the retreival methods already suggested (tethered balloons) may themselves set off alarms. Doing research for a recent show I looked up our district's weapons policy and found that yes real and replica weapons are phrohibited; unless you get permission from the school. I found many in the admin. were ignorant of that fact. AirSoft and similar type 6mm pellet guns may be the way to go. You can buy very real looking M-16 and Thompson (straight and barrel mag.) models. Imagine pulling out a Thompson to shoot down errant balloons. "Take that you screws!" Only draw back is they're just single shot, not yet auto. On a more serious note; we had beam detectors installed throughout the school and Aud. last summer. 2 x-cross the house and one along the upstage wall. Fortunately I can take them offline for fog. My G300 took less than 5min on medium haze output to set them off. I've always banned helium balloons so they don't just sneak in, but there have been problems in other parts of the school. If it continues to be a problem you might want to ask the School Board to institute fines for violators. Everyone thiks that they've got the balloons secured, but they always manage to lose one or two. If anyone bringing balloons in is fined $250 os so then the problem will go away after the first or second group has to pay. Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:15:32 -0500 From: "Rob Carovillano" Subject: Re: Balloons and smoke alarms Message-id: <001701c5299b$bde02420$a8a44481 [at] rcarovil> References: I actually think the best solution is to get a better smoke/fire detection system. Beam detectors are terrible. Rob Carovillano Technical Director Bluett Theatre Saint Joseph's University 610-660-1044 rcarovil [at] sju.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Farmer To: Stagecraft Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: Re: Balloons and smoke alarms For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- "Storms, Randy" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > We have an ongoing problem with helium-filled balloons getting loose in > our lobby area, and then drifting into the path of one of our optical > smoke detectors and setting off the alarm. > > We have already permanently banned balloons in our facility, but they > just. keep. sneaking. in. > > So what I need now is a system to remove rogue balloons trapped against a > 50' ceiling, before they have the opportunity to cause a problem. My > first idea, a pellet gun, was rejected for two reasons: > > 1) We're a school, and a pellet gun would violate our weapons policy. > 2) If our aim was bad there would be potential for damage to occur to > lighting, the ceiling, etc. > Stupid policy, a low powered pellet gun is the best solution. As for objection number two, just need more practice. As others have said, tethered balloons with sticky and or pointy things on the top us the usual improvised on the spot solution. One memorable day ( now safely past the statute of limitations ) we tried bottle rockets. Didn't pop many balloons, but it was an interesting day. A more permanent solution is this stuff that is sold in commercial building catalogs as a pigeon deterrent. It's a metal strip with all sorts of spiky bits coming out of on one side. Balloon floats up, hits this stuff and *POP* no more balloon. It ought to discourage pigeons from nesting in your smoke alarms too. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:21:43 -0500 Subject: Re: Balloons and smoke alarms From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: How can you say it's a stupid policy. More violent things have happened with plastic toy guns. As far as bottle rockets, you are insane. Inside? An there isn't a policy against fireworks? sjl >> 1) We're a school, and a pellet gun would violate our weapons policy. >> 2) If our aim was bad there would be potential for damage to occur to >> lighting, the ceiling, etc. >> > > Stupid policy, a low powered pellet gun is the best solution. As for > objection > number two, just need more practice. As others have said, tethered balloons > with > sticky and or pointy things on the top us the usual improvised on the spot > solution. > One memorable day ( now safely past the statute of limitations ) we tried > bottle > rockets. Didn't pop many balloons, but it was an interesting day. > A more permanent solution is this stuff that is sold in commercial building > catalogs > as a pigeon deterrent. It's a metal strip with all sorts of spiky bits coming > out of > on one side. Balloon floats up, hits this stuff and *POP* no more balloon. > It ought > to discourage pigeons from nesting in your smoke alarms too. > > --Dale > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000601c5299f$13a47110$6501a8c0 [at] D4D3R151> From: "Randy Whitcomb" References: Subject: Re: Balloons and smoke alarms Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 13:39:23 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Carovillano" > I actually think the best solution is to get a better smoke/fire detection > system. Beam detectors are terrible. I can't speak for Randy S's situation, but in our's the AHJ insisted on beam detectors despite the objections of the alarm contractor, the school district's fire system specialist and me. No choice but to deal with the situation. Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:25:01 -0500 Subject: Work Lights From: Heather Carter Message-Id: Hello. I'm trolling for work light suggestions for a small proscenium space. Currently, full stage lighting is used for rehearsals, training, etc. and besides it being an uneconomical practice, the late 60s equipment just can't take it. What have you guys seen that you liked-- and preferrably didn't create annoying sounds (damn that florescent buzzing!) and/or bad smells? --Heather. p.s. I thought long and hard about a witty way to weave Peeps into this question, and sadly, came up with nil. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Work Lights Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:32:47 -0500 Message-ID: <89DE71075FCD6E44A4D117FBFBBD801C09F9B279 [at] fangorn.cc.vt.edu> From: "James, Brian" We used a Hubbell fixture that looks like a street lamp (can not = remember the Hubbell part number). I think the normal use is to hand on = an extension that would attach to a wall or ceiling. I can find the part = number if you like. The lamp is an HID lamp, and last forever. We did have to add a plat for = a "C" clamp and safety chain to be attached. We strategically hung 4 of = these. The nice thing is they can go anywhere on a non-dim circuit (ours = drops from the grid). They are cheap to operate and generate very little = heat. The only draw back is that they do not fire immediately, they need to = warm up. But there are a number of incandescent that work at a lowered = level for immediate light. So far we like them, and they have been very reliable. Due to my stage = size I would love two more, but the four are sufficient 90% of the time. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Heather Carter Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:25 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Work Lights For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hello. I'm trolling for work light suggestions for a small proscenium=20 space. Currently, full stage lighting is used for rehearsals, training,=20 etc. and besides it being an uneconomical practice, the late 60s=20 equipment just can't take it. What have you guys seen that you liked-- and preferrably didn't create=20 annoying sounds (damn that florescent buzzing!) and/or bad smells? --Heather. p.s. I thought long and hard about a witty way to weave Peeps into this=20 question, and sadly, came up with nil. ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" Subject: RE: Balloons and smoke alarms Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:51:09 -0500 I worked in a tent where we would do a children's matinee on the weekends and concessions made a fortune selling balloons. The problem was that they would float to the top and then drift down during the evening performances. The tent manager bought a BB gun and we all took turns. The BB's did not hurt the tent material but did bring down the balloons. Steve Waxler Technical Director College Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati -----Original Message----- From: Storms, Randy [mailto:rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 1:22 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Balloons and smoke alarms For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- We have an ongoing problem with helium-filled balloons getting loose in our lobby area, and then drifting into the path of one of our optical smoke detectors and setting off the alarm. We have already permanently banned balloons in our facility, but they just. keep. sneaking. in. So what I need now is a system to remove rogue balloons trapped against a 50' ceiling, before they have the opportunity to cause a problem. My first idea, a pellet gun, was rejected for two reasons: 1) We're a school, and a pellet gun would violate our weapons policy. 2) If our aim was bad there would be potential for damage to occur to lighting, the ceiling, etc. A "poker" on a 50' pole is unwieldy, and bringing in the scissor lift is not cost effective. Suggestions? -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Brandon Slokowski" Subject: RE: Work Lights Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:21:38 -0500 Heather, I have always used (and probably always will as long as they are still around) the Altman Q-Lite(aka Q-1000). I use them everywhere, theatre, concert, corporate, I've even used 30 of them as work lights for an ice show(HIDs take to long to strike and warm up) which the skaters would practice under for hours every day, they liked them better than their regular lighting. It is a 1000w open face instrument. In my opinion, perfect for work light. Depending on your needs, get some over stage, at least four if you have a really small pros. space. Get some out front from a catwalk position too. Get some barn doors for them so you have a little focusability. Should be perfect for all your work light needs and a much better alternative for your rehearsals. Brandon Slokowski >From: Heather Carter >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Work Lights >Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 16:25:01 -0500 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Hello. I'm trolling for work light suggestions for a small proscenium >space. Currently, full stage lighting is used for rehearsals, training, >etc. and besides it being an uneconomical practice, the late 60s equipment >just can't take it. > >What have you guys seen that you liked-- and preferrably didn't create >annoying sounds (damn that florescent buzzing!) and/or bad smells? > >--Heather. > >p.s. I thought long and hard about a witty way to weave Peeps into this >question, and sadly, came up with nil. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: The Lord of the Rings, the Musical Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:38:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: Oh, Canada! It seems our friends to the North are going to bring LOTR to = the stage. It will debut in Toronto, which you may have seen in a number of movies playing =93New York.=94 This was in Playbill today, which you can = find here: http://www.playbill.com/news/article/91746.html=20 Here are some snippets: Lord of the Rings Musical to Bow in Toronto By Andrew Gans March 15, 2005 The Lord of the Rings, the musical version of J.R.R. Tolkien's acclaimed trilogy, will make its world premiere in Toronto. Variety reports that Rings, originally announced for a West End bow, will open at the = Princess of Wales Theater March 23, 2006. Previews are expected to begin Feb. 2. = Matthew Warchus, who directed the Broadway revival of Stephen Sondheim's = Follies, will helm the production, which will feature a 65-member Canadian cast. About the upcoming musical, director Warchus told the Toronto Star, "We = have not attempted to pull the novel towards the standard conventions of = musical theatre, but rather to expand those conventions so that they will accommodate Tolkien's material. As a result, we will be presenting a = hybrid of text, physical theatre, music and spectacle never previously seen on = this scale." The Lord of the Rings will feature music by the Finnish group = V=E4rttin=E4 and Bombay Dreams' A. R. Rahman with book and lyrics by Shaun McKenna. Rob Howell will design both the costumes and the sets for the musical. The = sets, according to Variety, will feature "three interconnected turntables containing 16 elevators." And I thought that the nine hours in a theatre to see Nicholas Nickleby = will look tame in comparison! Michael Eddy ------------------------------ From: "Jack Morones" Subject: RE: insurance carriers, slightly OT Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:41:02 -0800 Organization: Saddleback College Message-ID: <000a01c529b0$11333a40$6500a8c0 [at] SCJACKLT> In-Reply-To: Hi Chris, We are investigating the SCA's insurance carrier. Thanks for the advise. -Jack (who's also a member of the SCA :-) Jack R. Morones Production Manager McKinney Theatre -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:54 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: insurance carriers, slightly OT For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >I am doing some volunteer work with a non-profit renaissance >re-enactment group. The SCA (Socieaty for Creative Anachronism) is an international rennaissance re-enactment group, and a great resource. As members, the SCA would cover events. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 17:04:10 -0600 Subject: Re: Work Lights From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Brandon Slokowski wrote: > I have always used (and probably always will as long as they are still > around) the Altman Q-Lite(aka Q-1000). I use them everywhere, theatre, > concert, corporate, I've even used 30 of them as work lights for an ice > show(HIDs take to long to strike and warm up) which the skaters would > practice under for hours every day, they liked them better than their > regular lighting. It is a 1000w open face instrument. In my opinion, > perfect for work light. One of the big negatives about this fixture is that it is open faced. If you are going to use it over people, especially FOH, it needs to be screened in case the lamp breaks. I did a weekly TV show with some and it was amazing how much the Q-1000 lamps would deform even though they were only running at about 60% for 3 hours a week. I personally like the L&E worklights. http://www.le-us.com/floods.html They come in a 150 Watt CDM metal halide or 575Watt incandescent version. They have a output characteristic similar to a scoop (wide and smooth) in a small package. Hope this helps. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:17:41 EST Subject: Re: Station fire, Warwick, Rhode Island In a message dated 15/03/05 18:55:08 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > Welcome to legislation for the least common denominator. > Now, if they proposed legislation that reduced the amount of stupid people, > I'd be all for that. All these serioulsy restrictive laws and lables are > saving the lives of stupid people every day, and allowing them to breed. > Yup, leagues of additional stupid people. That's not quite right. If stupid people kill themselves by their stupidity, fine. The trouble is, they can also kill smart people. That's not so good. > Reproduction being the first law of evolution, the conclusion is that > people are going to get stupider by the generation until the planet is too > dangerous to survive. This list just may be the last bastion of people who > think. With notable exceptions, of course. You've been reading Robert Heinlein again. Some of the sayings of Lazarus Long. And, for once in a while, I agree with you, and with him. I know that you meant me, as a 'notable exception'. I don't care. Oddball ideas are sometimes right, in the long run. I just hope I live long enough to see this proved. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <74.4f9e54db.2f68c83c [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:22:36 EST Subject: Re: insurance carriers, slightly OT In a message dated 15/03/05 19:58:02 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > The SCA (Socieaty for Creative Anachronism) is an international > rennaissance re-enactment group, and a great resource. As members, the > SCA would cover events. Now, didn't Heinlein invent that at the end of "The Number of the Beast"? Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <14.413b3480.2f68c99d [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 18:28:29 EST Subject: Re: Work Lights In a message dated 15/03/05 21:26:05 GMT Standard Time, heatherc [at] marlboro.edu writes: > What have you guys seen that you liked-- and preferrably didn't create > annoying sounds (damn that florescent buzzing!) and/or bad smells? 300W halogen work lights, as used by builders. Silent, and a good colour temperature to paint under. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:04:33 -0500 (EST) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: DLP vs LCD for big projectors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 15 Mar 2005, Tom Heemskerk wrote: > ;-) Boyd, do you think these would be bright enough for Surtitles? Once > the've been bounced off a mirror in the UK, that is... Nice try, but no way I'm gonna go *there*... that thread can happily rest in peace. ;-) | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:30:15 GMT Subject: Re: The Lord of the Rings, the Musical Message-Id: <20050315.173115.13631.203081 [at] webmail03.lax.untd.com> This was discussed today at a OISTAT session prior to the USITT Conference. /s/ Richard Oh, Canada! It seems our friends to the North are going to bring LOTR to the stage. It will debut in Toronto. Michael Eddy ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <8c.22e4e23e.2f68ead1 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:50:09 EST Subject: Re: AOL update for those who use AIM Cc: rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu In a message dated 3/15/5 9:04:56 AM, rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu writes: << I was startled the other day to discover at the bookstore a volume of quasi-erotic cartoons and poems authored and illustrated by Shel Silversteen. >> Goes with the book of "Catches" (songs full of double meanings - usually sexual) by Henry Purcell I have. Had to do something to entertian yourselves before the advent of cinema. :) Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <423793A2.9010003 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:02:10 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Balloons and smoke alarms References: In-Reply-To: Randy Whitcomb wrote: > > >> I actually think the best solution is to get a better smoke/fire >> detection system. Beam detectors are terrible. > > > I can't speak for Randy S's situation, but in our's the AHJ insisted on > beam detectors despite the objections of the alarm contractor, the > school district's fire system specialist and me. > No choice but to deal with the situation. > > Randy Whitcomb, TD > Price Civic Aud. > Loveland, CO > Could you at least get the AHJ to tie together two beams or beams and smoke or rate-of rise detectors to prevent false triggers? Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42379C33.5080407 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:38:43 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Saw Stop Cabinet Table Saw References: In-Reply-To: Robert Hayes wrote: > > As I am equipping our new Performing Arts Center here at Georgetown > Univ, an interesting debate has come up. > I have been looking into the purchase of 10" cabinet saw manufactured by > SAW STOP (www.sawstop.com has faq's and great video clips). As I am > always looking for ways to improve safety without compromising > usability, the Saw Stop 10" seems to be right in line. > The question is - does this offer up a false sense of security? Does > this diminish the healthy amount of fear - thus respect for the tool? > When the students work elsewhere, somewhere that does not have this > technology, how will it change...etc, etc. And the debate goes on from > there. > Thoughts? I think the Saw Stop is a neat idea, and if the spinning sharp blade does not inspire respect all by itself, I doubt the saw stop will really add to the false sense of security. Get a good guard, preferably like the Beisemeier guard that removes easily when not able to be used and re-installs as easily so people are not tempted to go without it because it is too much of a hassle to re-install for just these few cuts. The biggest drawback I see for the saw stop is that it requires a fairly expensive cartridge that is destroyed when the saw safety is triggered. As of now, there is only one place to buy that cartridge. If they stop making it, when your last unit fires, you've got a very expensive piece of useless scrap machinery. Budget for a large number of spares on hand. And keep your stocks up. Even if they stay in business, you don't want to lose a cartridge in the middle of a big crash build and discover it is your last one. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42379E82.6090307 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:48:34 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Saw Stop Cabinet Table Saw References: In-Reply-To: Robert Hayes wrote: > As I am equipping our new Performing Arts Center here at Georgetown > Univ, an interesting debate has come up. > I have been looking into the purchase of 10" cabinet saw manufactured by > SAW STOP Another question, I have heard several stories of people who got into a saw AFTER they turned it off but while it was still spinning down. As far as I can tell, the saw stop does NOT protect you against this type of injury. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 19:07:27 -0800 From: Mat Goebel Reply-To: Mat Goebel Subject: Re: DLP vs LCD for big projectors In-Reply-To: References: I've used a Christie CP2000 as part of an installed show that ran six days a week for an entire summer. Solid performance, only requiring the occasional hard restart about once a month. Usually one of the internal temp sensors would flip out and think its was 12,000C inside, but flipping the breaker, waiting five minutes, and reseting always took care of the problem. The picture is awesome when you're using the HDEF inputs, but your content must be tailor made for that. Even DVDs don't look so hot though the SDEF inputs. Any other specifics you'd like me to speak on with this particular product? On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:29:40 -0500 (EST), Boyd Ostroff wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm looking for someone who has actual experience using "big iron" LCD and > DLP projectors in the 10,000 lumen ballpark. I am pretty familiar with > what to expect from the big DLP units (Barco, Christie, Digital > Projection). I'm doing a production in South America this summer and > spec'ed a 10,000 lumen DLP projector. They are planning to use a > Sanyo PLC-XF45 LCD projector for the large screen: -- Mat Goebel Cell: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:21:13 -0500 (EST) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: DLP vs LCD for big projectors In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: Actually I've heard from someone familiar with this Sanyo model (which is evidently the same as the Christie LX100 (or L8). Evidently it is a real workhorse and quite a bargain. This makes me feel much better :-) However I'm told that LCD's don't age so gracefully and DLP is a better bet for the long haul if you're purchasing (which we may for another project). Thanks, and props to Herrick and Bob Bonniol for some helpful insights! | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4237B3EC.D03FFAE [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:19:56 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Saw Stop Cabinet Table Saw References: Stuart Wheaton wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Robert Hayes wrote: > > > As I am equipping our new Performing Arts Center here at Georgetown > > Univ, an interesting debate has come up. > > I have been looking into the purchase of 10" cabinet saw manufactured by > > SAW STOP > > Another question, I have heard several stories of people who > got into a saw AFTER they turned it off but while it was > still spinning down. As far as I can tell, the saw stop > does NOT protect you against this type of injury. > > Stuart If it is the one I think it is, it near instantly stops the blade when fired. They demo used some hotdogs, and the skin of the hotdogs were barely scratched. --Dale ------------------------------ From: "Thad Kramer" Subject: RE: Stage Pin Connectors (BATES vs. Entertainment Power Systems) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:31:35 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Brandon, I've got to tell you right off the bat that we are a dealer for Creative Stage Lighting, so I may be biased, but I prefer EPS connectors over Bates brand. They are much easier to wire -- not to mention that you can use either the crimps or the cooper ferrules provided with the connectors. They're relative rugged, although if you hit them hard enough the corners have been known to break. Overall they're an excellent product. Best feature of all is one that you've already pointed out -- they're cheaper. They are the sole brand of connector that we sell to clients unless they request something else, and we have used hundreds building break-ins, break-outs, and jumpers. Thad Kramer, The Light Fantastic, Inc. Dayton, Ohio O: (937) 253-4433 F: (937) 253-5722 C: (614) 477-2225 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 01:07:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Work Lights From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Hello. I'm trolling for work light suggestions for a small proscenium > space. Currently, full stage lighting is used for rehearsals, training, > etc. and besides it being an uneconomical practice, the late 60s > equipment just can't take it. > > What have you guys seen that you liked-- and preferrably didn't create > annoying sounds (damn that florescent buzzing!) and/or bad smells? We use four 500w Scoops, plugged into a circuit that feeds directly out of a breaker box, so the dimmers aren't needed at all. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:24:37 -0800 From: Mat Goebel Reply-To: Mat Goebel Subject: New Theatre Wish List Hey all, There was a thread a while back about wish list items to account for in constructing a new theatre. I can't seem to locate it anywhere in the archives - does anyone have a synopsis handy? -- Mat Goebel Cell: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #331 *****************************