Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 21261345; Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:26:56 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #338 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:26:38 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #338 1. Re: Stage Expo photos by "LES LIND" 2. Re: Stage Expo photos by "LES LIND" 3. Re: Stage Expo photos by Greg Bierly 4. Re: Charged for gelstring damage by Greg Bierly 5. Re: Stage Expo photos by "Tony" 6. Re: Charged for gelstring damage by "Tony" 7. Re: Scrim Remnants by "Brian Jeffrey" 8. Re: Gerber repair by "Paul Guncheon" 9. Re: Charged for Gel string damage by Jason Tollefson 10. Re: Stage Expo photos by "Delbert Hall" 11. Re: Stage Expo photos by IAEG [at] aol.com 12. Re: Charged for gelstring damage by Richard Bakos 13. Re: Charged for Gel string damage by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 14. Re: Charged for Gel string damage by Richard Bakos 15. Re: Stage Expo photos by Stephen Litterst 16. Re: Charged for gelstring damage by Nancy Moeur 17. Re: Stage Expo photos by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 18. Re: ETCP Handbook by "Scheu Consulting Services" 19. Re: Moving lights - Cost? by Ford H Sellers 20. Re: Stage Expo photos by "Stephen E. Rees" 21. Re: Stage Expo photos by "Flowers, Curt" 22. Re: Stage Expo photos by Jerry Durand 23. Re: Stage Expo photos by Stephen Litterst 24. Re: Stage Expo photos by "Stephen E. Rees" 25. Re: Stage Expo photos by "Stephen E. Rees" 26. Boombox suggestions by patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu 27. Re: What is the Best Genie Lift to buy by "C. Dopher" 28. Re: Boombox suggestions by Mark O'Brien 29. Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) by Stephen Litterst 30. Re: Boombox suggestions by "LES LIND" 31. Cost of expendables by "C. Dopher" 32. Re: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) by Mark O'Brien 33. Re: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) by Richard Wolpert 34. Re: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) by "Klyph Stanford" 35. Re: Email address harvesting by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 36. Re: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) by Jerry Durand 37. Re: Email address harvesting by Harold Hallikainen 38. Re: Charged for gelstring damage by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 39. Re: Stage Expo photos by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 40. Re: Cost of expendables (keeping classes from burning lamps) by "Sam Fisher" 41. Re: florida pyro - fire fly by "Jack Morones" 42. Re: 240/120 balancing (Was: Wild Leg & was Boombox suggestions) by "Flowers, Curt" 43. Re[2]: Charged for gelstring damage by "Frank E. Merrill" 44. Re: Re[2]: Charged for gelstring damage by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 45. Re: Charged for gelstring damage by "Storms, Randy" 46. Re: Boombox suggestions by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 47. vectorworks moving light symbols by "Jack Morones" 48. Re: Boombox suggestions by Dale Farmer 49. Re: Boombox suggestions by Dale Farmer 50. Re: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 51. Re: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 52. Re: 240/120 balancing (Was: Wild Leg & was Boombox suggestions) by Jerry Durand 53. Re: Boombox suggestions by "LES LIND" 54. Re: 240/120 balancing (Was: Wild Leg & was Boombox suggestions) by Dale Farmer 55. Re: ETCP Handbook by CB 56. Re: Surfboard by CB 57. Ratchet box wrench\spanner by "CrewCall" 58. Re: [Show-Control] Stage Expo photos by CB 59. Stage Expo photos by Jerry Durand 60. Re: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) by Jerry Durand 61. Re: ETCP Handbook by Bill Sapsis 62. Re: Charged for gelstring damage by June Abernathy 63. Re: ETCP Handbook by "Stephen E. Rees" 64. Re: [Show-Control] Stage Expo photos by Jerry Durand 65. Re: [Show-Control] Stage Expo photos by Jerry Durand 66. Re: Ratchet box wrench\spanner by James Feinberg 67. Re: [Show-Control] Stage Expo photos by "Stephen E. Rees" 68. Re: Cost of expendables (keeping classes from burning lamps) by Greg Bierly 69. Re: Surfboard by Greg Bierly 70. Re: Cost of expendables (keeping classes from burning lamps) by Greg Persinger 71. Re: Surfboard by Greg Persinger 72. Re: What is the Best Genie Lift to buy by Mike Voytko 73. Re: Ratchet box wrench\spanner by "Ian Cunningham" 74. Re: Email address harvesting by ish [at] twcny.rr.com 75. Re: 240/120 balancing (Was: Wild Leg & was Boombox suggestions) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:07:10 -0500 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos Who's holding the peeps in the front row? Les Lind, TD NHS Dramatics Northeastern High School Manchester, PA >>> pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu 3/21/05 4:29 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Photos are now > online. http://www.jdurand.no-ip.org/photos/USITT_Stage_Expo_2005/ So who all is in the Stagecraft Meeting photo? ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:08:19 -0500 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos ..and the peeps in the back row on the left end? Les Lind, TD NHS Dramatics Northeastern High School Manchester, PA >>> pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu 3/21/05 4:29 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Photos are now > online. http://www.jdurand.no-ip.org/photos/USITT_Stage_Expo_2005/ So who all is in the Stagecraft Meeting photo? ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <9fed7bb60affacdaaece29f6d06fc967 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:25:52 -0500 > I'm in the geeky one with the beard. Doesn't that describe a lot of us Theater Professionals? (me included) Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Charged for gelstring damage Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:28:16 -0500 > That reminds me of a dear friend I worked with for years, he owned his > own replacement lamps: and if a lamp failed, he would have the crew > replace it with one of his inventory, tag the instrument, then swap > the burned out lamp back into the unit (reclaiming his > replacement),before sending the unit back to the rental shop. Most suppliers I have worked with supply a spare lamp or two for rented fixtures. If the lamp is burned out I MUST return the burnout or I am charged for the lamp. In response to the original question, I believe scrolls are costly enough to warrant buying (or making) your own. If the renter is going to supply a stock scroll then it would be at their cost. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014501c52edb$8a140310$0800000a [at] Tony> From: "Tony" References: Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:34:44 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Bierly" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > I'm in the geeky one with the beard. > > Doesn't that describe a lot of us Theater Professionals? (me included) > > Greg Bierly I haven't got a beard..... (Mind you, I'm not a pro - just a VERY busy amateur running an increasingly busy venue in my spare (HA!) time.) 8-))))))))))))))))) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014901c52edb$c7d333b0$0800000a [at] Tony> From: "Tony" References: Subject: Re: Charged for gelstring damage Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:36:27 -0000 > In response to the original question, I believe scrolls are costly > enough to warrant buying (or making) your own. If the renter is going > to supply a stock scroll then it would be at their cost. > > Greg Bierly > Having made up scrolls on 2 occasions (8 each time) I can certainly verify they're a pain to do, and time consuming (hence the price tag for pro-made scrolls), but when they're done, it is really satisfying when the run sweet first time! Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002601c52edc$1c89c180$0200a8c0 [at] DESKTOP> From: "Brian Jeffrey" References: Subject: Re: Scrim Remnants Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:38:54 -0500 Hopefully you have already located those suitable scrim remnants, but if not I'll try to help as well. And speaking of remnants, I have various odd lots and rolls of fabric closeouts of all kinds that need a home. Everything from suedes, satins, scrims, vinyls, glitter fabrics, celastic, printed fabrics, costume fabrics, camo etc. etc. These are located in a warehouse near me in MA. I probably need to spend the time to cut some swatches or at least take some photos. Feel free to contact me off list should you want to investigate these items further or perhaps take a shopping spree in Massachusetts. Brian Jeffrey b.jeffrey [at] comcast.net I am looking for scrim remnants and cut off for any suppliers you can > think of. I am about to call Rose Brand but I didn't see any on their > specials/closeout pages. I am looking for large scraps around 30" or > wider in any shape or length of dark colored scrim. It is being used > for a layered textured set of borders and legs. I am hoping for as > much black as possible but dark grey or navy and even purple (or any > combination of) would work. I would be more than happy to pay shipping > plus whatever you would see as a fair price if you had a box of scraps > laying around. Any suppliers not on the list that you think I should > call would also be appreciated. Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 02:39:10 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Gerber repair Message-id: <002101c52edc$26c143d0$0202a8c0 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: Just to keep the list informed about my ongoing situation with Gerber concerning warranty repair on my Gerber Evolution multitool on which I found weird surface rust within 1 week of starting to use the tool, even on blades that I had never unfolded. As I mentioned before, I wrote to Gerber about this situation and received a letter lecturing me on the microscopic structure of steel and that I had obviously failed in the maintenance of the tool. I wrote back that I own over 25 multitools and knives and the Gerber is the only one rusting in this fashion... in fact at all. I received another email, this one somewhat derisive, once again lecturing me on the molecular structure and refusing to discuss the matter further. I appealed to the list and one of you fine people provided me with the corporate address. I wrote to them and was told to send it in. I did so on 2/25, requesting that Gerber let me know when they received the tool. As of this date, I have heard nothing. As a side note, I sent in a Victorinox multitool for repair of a broken blade and promptly received a new replacement. I'll keep the list appraised of the situation. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050322124730.23222.qmail [at] web51004.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 04:47:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Tollefson Reply-To: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com Subject: Re: Charged for Gel string damage In-Reply-To: > what could I (or anyone) have done to prevent it? Well hindsight is 20/20 but one thing that can be done is to double or even triple the length of certain saturated colors. Anytime I use dark blues in a gel scroll I order that section doubled. Then you just program a slow effect to rock the gel back a forth across the longer section thereby spreading the intensity across a wider section allowing the gel time to cool. It does mean you end up with fewer color options but, really folks, If you need more than 7-8 from a single position just get a full CYM mixing source. Jason Tollefson www.tollefsondesigns.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Delbert Hall" Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:49:20 -0500 I am in the back row (near center) next to the "bearded geek." -Delbert Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) >From: "Jonathan S. Deull" >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos >Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 21:27:33 -0500 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > >I'm in the geeky one with the beard. > >Back row, second from SL, next to Delbert. > >Jonathan Deull > > > > ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e1.38a1461b.2f716ea5 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:50:45 EST Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos In a message dated 3/22/05 7:49:54 AM, flyingfx [at] hotmail.com writes: << I am in the back row (near center) next to the "bearded geek." -Delbert Delbert L. Hall 423-773-HALL (4255) >> i keep trying to view and have trouble loading the page : - ( very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4240160D.2000609 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:56:45 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Charged for gelstring damage References: In-Reply-To: I rent out my scrollers with color in them but most of the time they are used for one off shows and the most where the stock color is used is a week. The only time I have had problems with damage was on a week long rental when it looked like they parked the scroll between the two darkest colors and ran them full on 1k pars for the entire week. I think that they also ran the lamps with out the scroller power supply on. The biggest problem was the warping of the sheets that on a forerunner caused the roll not to lay flat and as a result threw off the end to end timing of the scroller. Didn't notice soon enough when they came back to charge them with it. While on the topic does any one have a favorite list of stock colors for their scrollers ? Rick -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com Subject: RE: Charged for Gel string damage Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:56:46 -0500 Message-ID: <00a401c52ede$9e383bb0$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > really folks, If you need more than 7-8 from a single > position just get a full CYM mixing source. If I buy a scroll, the issue isn't, I think, how many colors I need for any one show, but rather how many colors I'll need for all the shows in which I will wind up using that scroll. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <424016CC.5030506 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:59:56 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Charged for Gel string damage References: In-Reply-To: Jason, How long of loop do you use? Jason Tollefson wrote: > >Then you just program a slow effect to rock the gel back a forth across the longer section thereby >spreading the intensity across a wider section allowing the gel time to cool. > > -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 08:22:02 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos Message-id: <42401BFA.D8AAA6AC [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: LES LIND wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Who's holding the peeps in the front row? That's Andrew Riter. I'm the tall lanky guy next to him with the wanna-beard. Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:12:13 -0500 From: Nancy Moeur Subject: RE: Charged for gelstring damage Message-ID: <42D3841E [at] OrangeMail> Someone else quoted: (sorry, forgot to get the name....) "Each Smart ColorT scroller comes with pre-installed Apollo Gel Shield to extend gel string life" I thought I remembered reading similar text about Wybron, but now I can't find it. I reply: A rental shop that I've gotten Wybron CXIs from bolts a frame of heat shield to the scroller (through the holes the mounting plate bolts to, as I recall). Unless Wybron has changed the design of the new units, I don't think they have an integrated heatshield. best, -nancy Nancy Moeur AME, Syracuse Stage & SU Drama nmoeur [at] mailbox.syr.edu EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, Please do not use my 'wso' address. ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:15:53 GMT Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos Message-Id: <20050322.061645.11522.13520 [at] webmail29.lax.untd.com> I stayed out of camera range, but I enjoyed the Stagecraft List meeting. (I was not trying to be anti-social; I do get pitched at a lot by playwrights wanting their scripts produced, so I avoid being caught on camera: Google is all too effective as a search engine.) /s/ Richard ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scheu Consulting Services" Subject: RE: ETCP Handbook Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:46:32 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <000a01c52eed$f1124380$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-reply-to: Richard Bakos wrote: >If this is for only the upper tier then what good is the=20 >certification? =20 ...and... >This does no good to any one.=20 >What is needed is a test standard ( and the study materials to=20 >go with )=20 >that we can train members to and have them end up as "Certified"=20 >riggers. As others have posted the time required to even qualify to=20 >take the test will take a lifetime in some locals.=20 That's what the handbook is for. It tells you what will be tested. = Pretty detailed, actually. It's all in there. It appears from your comments = that you may not have read it yet... I don't want to speak for the ETCP council, but it is my understanding = that the ETCP Council is in the process of identifying and evaluating which existing programs and training courses would qualify to "teach to" the certification "body of knowledge". Please keep in mind that the rigging = test in November is a mere baby step in a whole industry wide certification process. There will be growing pains.=20 Yes, there will be certifications in other disciples (i.e. electrical skills). Also, of much more general interest, there is a process in = place to provide "Essential Skills" certification, that would cover far more = people than a certification in a particular discipline. You really should go to = the ETCP website and look closely at the material there to get a good = overview of the whole program and process. And if you still have questions or concerns, you should contact the ETCP council directly (that would be = Mr. Sapsis, among others). This IS an open process Mat Goebel wrote: >Is there a forum or something similar where this standards are = discussed while they are being developed and open to public comment and review? The ETCP certification process is separate from ESTA's Technical = Standards Program. ETCP will certify people's skills and abilities. ESTA/TSP is developing standards that cover materials, equipment, use, and design. = In both cases, however, the process is open and you are invited to make comments and/or join the process. See the ESTA and ETCP websites for = details as to how to make "official" comments and/or participate.. The more the merrier!!! Frankly, griping on the list may make one feel better, and some WILL = listen and try to address your concerns when they meet to discuss these things. = But you need to be personally proactive and get involved in the process. = Even if it's only to go to directly to ESTA/ETCP and voice your concerns there, instead of this forum. You're more likely to be heard there than here. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.2.20050322093649.024b7e90 [at] postoffice8.mail.cornell.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:48:53 -0500 From: Ford H Sellers Subject: Re: Moving lights - Cost? In-Reply-To: There are plenty of cheep DJ versions of moving mirror instruments in this price range. Take a look at the Martin SXC-500. It's a 7 channel, 8bit little scanner. I've been looking at getting a couple for our Light Lab. As to the Theatrical versions...In general we (the theatre folks) demand quite a lot for our dollar, and spend quite a lot less than the DJ/Live Entertainment (trade show, etc), and Architectural markets. We demand QUIET, 16bit smooooth movement, Changeable color & gobos, And enough brightness to punch up a scene lit with 1k lekos, and 2k fresnels. All of these things add cost, and as we ARE a small section of the market dollar wise... At 09:52 PM 3/20/2005, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > Since we are talking about the Ellipscan, I have a related question. I am >surprised that fixtures like this haven't dropped to something like $200 >now. The necessary electronics and stepper motors are pretty low cost >nowdays. I realize that theater is not a mass market... but it is not a >small one either. Also, non-theater venues are certainly using plenty of >theatrical type lighting. Why haven't prices dropped more? > > >Joe Dunfee joe [at] dunfee.com >Gordonville, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. ************************ Ford H Sellers Master Electrician Cornell University Schwartz Center for the Performing Arts 430 College Avenue Ithaca NY, 14850 (607) 254-2736 office (607) 254-2733 fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4240358E.1010904 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:11:10 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos References: I was. Note peeps held by my student, Lynn Wheat. This is the last of peeps that you will hear from me. ;) Steve Rees Paul Schreiner wrote: > So who all is in the Stagecraft Meeting photo? ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Stage Expo photos Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:21:44 -0600 Message-ID: <71D0296313DCB24C93FE62A0CA7B49CA423B79 [at] adminmail4.ui.uillinois.edu> From: "Flowers, Curt" So..... How come only two of you guys are happy? - Aside from the guys on the far left and right, the rest of you look like you had to load-in the show and there was no beer anywhere in Toronto!=20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050322072633.03b437c8 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 07:27:06 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos In-Reply-To: References: At 07:21 AM 3/22/2005, you wrote: >So..... How come only two of you guys are happy? - Aside from the guys >on the far left and right, the rest of you look like you had to load-in >the show and there was no beer anywhere in Toronto! It's the beards, we hide our happiness behind the beard so bosses don't cut our pay thinking we like what we do. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:32:50 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos Message-id: <42403AA2.571BE567 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: "Flowers, Curt" wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > So..... How come only two of you guys are happy? - Aside from the guys > on the far left and right, the rest of you look like you had to load-in > the show and there was no beer anywhere in Toronto! Well, there is beer in Toronto, but as you can see we're not holding any of it. Hence the facial expressions. :) Steve LItterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42403E57.8080701 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:48:39 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos References: Hi, Should have said where I was located. Front row, third from left with black shirt and white lanyard. Steve Litterst is fourth in front row. Lynn Wheat is keeper of the peeps. Steve Rees LES LIND wrote: > > Who's holding the peeps in the front row? >[snip] ------------------------------ Message-ID: <424040AC.20808 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:58:36 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos References: Curt, Well, I can't speak for the others but I did load in part of the show - Tech Expo- with some of my students, which was very well received. Actually, there was a surfeit (sp) of beer in Toronto - that might explain it. Steve Flowers, Curt wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > So..... How come only two of you guys are happy? - Aside from the guys > on the far left and right, the rest of you look like you had to load-in > the show and there was no beer anywhere in Toronto! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:23:19 -0500 From: patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu Subject: Boombox suggestions Message-id: <41835741c56c.41c56c418357 [at] colstate.edu> The theatre department had a fun electrical experience while we were away at USITT last week. During the course of the week, four boomboxes in four different outlets in two different adjacent rooms stopped working, or emitted smoke and then stopped working. It turns out, some electrician had accidentally wired the basement of the building to 240v instead of 120v. Nice, eh? The problem has been rectified, but now I get to shop for replacement boomboxes. Anyone have something new or old, that has stood up to dance and drama rehearsals, plays CD-RW's and perhaps MP3 or WMA cd's as well, with an auxiliary input? Something that is loud enough for dance, and strong enough for years of use, and good enough for the sound designer to playback during rehearsals? I'm looking in the $100-$300 range - no pro equipment is going into the hands of student rehearsals with very little oversight. Thanks, \< Kevin Patrick Assistant Professor of Theatre Columbus State University 706.568.0248 patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu theatre.colstate.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:32:14 -0500 Subject: Re: What is the Best Genie Lift to buy From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >=20 >> I need to get a Genie lift that you can move around as you=3D20 >> focus, without riggers. If you are using one let me know how=3D20 >> you like it. Should I be looking at a different brand? What=3D20 >> am I going to have to pay for the unit? Give me a model=3D20 >> number if you have one.=3D20 >=20 > Most (if not all) single-personnel lifts, outriggerless or not, that I > am aware of are not designed to be moved with someone at height. If you > absolutely need to be able to move while up in the air, I'm afraid you'd > have to go with a scissors lift; a couple of years ago I started looking > at lifts for my old place of employment, and discovered that these > particular models tend to be EXTREMELY heavy (to the point I was afraid > my stage wouldn't support it, especially over the traps). >=20 > If you can get by with an outriggerless model that doesn't need to be > moved at height, I wholeheartedly recommend the Genie IWP line. The 20' > version can be purchased with a basket extension that allows you to move > the basket out from the mast an additional 26" to get over tall scenery > or extend your reach at working height a few extra feet... >=20 > I ended up buying the IWP 20 with the outreach option; with delivery it > came in to just under $5000. First things first: No one should EVER be working at height in a theatre alone. EVER. With two people in the theatre, a genie becomes an option because one perso= n is ground crew and the other can get pushed around -- if you buy a model with outriggers and don't mind that you're crossing Genie's established safety protocol line by floating the outriggers. (The person in the basket should take a drop line up with them -- hint hint Wayne Rasmussen!) I purchased a Genie for NYU's Dep of Music. My constraints included a particular narrow doorway (31") that had to be accessed from a tight stairwell -- so I needed something narrow and maneuverable. I also needed to use the genie at the edge of the apron, up against walls, etc -- so I needed something stable without outriggers. I needed something that could squeeze between linesets and get a person 20 feet up. I needed something with onboard power. I chose the IWP 20' with narrow outreach basket, AC model. Excellent machine. The kids don't like getting it in and out of the theatre, but at least it can be done -- and the maintenance staff borrow it all the time (proof of a good choice!) They also don=B9t like that you can't pump the machine onto its wheels and roll around someone at height -- me, I like the built-in safety. A small price to pay for a Genie with no outriggers that can store neatly in a closet. They also bitch when I point out that DC models exist that allow you to go up several times without being plugged into a wall -- only a vague sense of unease with the idea of mixing student= s with lead-acid batteries in a lawsuit-conscious university environment made me order the AC version. By the way, I've seen older models that you can, indeed, go up and down and roll around with the outriggers removed -- these models lacked the internal safety switches in the outrigger boxes. I'm not saying you should search for one of these old models or anything; I'm pointing out that Genie builds its models to protect life and limb. When you circumvent safeties, or take advantage of the less well-designed older models' weaknesses, you are violating OSHA standards, common sense, and tempting Murphy. Of course it goes without saying that a Genie is not a one-person machine a= s no-one should ever be working at height alone in a theatre. ;) That post was entirely too long, sorry. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <2aa3b29e2777ed1cf056f7810af876c2 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Boombox suggestions Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:34:47 -0700 Years ago, I worked in a theatre in Baltimore that had one outlet in the shop that all the tools ran better, faster, and stronger. After burning a skill-saw up, it was discovered that this outlet, while not on 220 was wired onto a "wild leg' and it spit out about 160V Oops! Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Mar 22, 2005, at 9:23 AM, patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > The theatre department had a fun electrical experience while we were > away at USITT last week. During the course of the week, four boomboxes > in four different outlets in two different adjacent rooms stopped > working, or emitted smoke and then stopped working. It turns out, some > electrician had accidentally wired the basement of the building to 240v > instead of 120v. Nice, eh? The problem has been rectified, but now I > get to shop for replacement boomboxes. Anyone have something new or > old, that has stood up to dance and drama rehearsals, plays CD-RW's and > perhaps MP3 or WMA cd's as well, with an auxiliary input? Something > that is loud enough for dance, and strong enough for years of use, and > good enough for the sound designer to playback during rehearsals? I'm > looking in the $100-$300 range - no pro equipment is going into the > hands of student rehearsals with very little oversight. > Thanks, > \< > > Kevin Patrick > Assistant Professor of Theatre > Columbus State University > 706.568.0248 > patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu > theatre.colstate.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:39:18 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) Message-id: <42404A36.DDCE6F49 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Mark O'Brien wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- After > burning a skill-saw up, it was discovered that this outlet, while not > on 220 was wired onto a "wild leg' and it spit out about 160V This is the second time in less than a week I've heard a reference to "wild leg" power. (I think that should have won the "Stump the Rigger" prize based on the look on Uncle Bill's face) Can someone explain what this is and how you get an odd voltage out of it? Thanks, Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:45:02 -0500 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Boombox suggestions Although Ican't give you a specific brand, what I try to do when shopping for a boombox is to pick it up. If it's heavy usually the speakers have heavier magnets in them. We bought my son a Sony years ago and it was the best sounding box we ever owned. He still has it. My wife bought one for school and it was very light. Couldn't get much volume out of it. I know it's not scientific but that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Les Lind, TD NHS Dramatics Northeastern High School Manchester, PA >>> patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu 3/22/05 11:23 AM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- The theatre department had a fun electrical experience while we were away at USITT last week. During the course of the week, four boomboxes in four different outlets in two different adjacent rooms stopped working, or emitted smoke and then stopped working. It turns out, some electrician had accidentally wired the basement of the building to 240v instead of 120v. Nice, eh? The problem has been rectified, but now I get to shop for replacement boomboxes. Anyone have something new or old, that has stood up to dance and drama rehearsals, plays CD-RW's and perhaps MP3 or WMA cd's as well, with an auxiliary input? Something that is loud enough for dance, and strong enough for years of use, and good enough for the sound designer to playback during rehearsals? I'm looking in the $100-$300 range - no pro equipment is going into the hands of student rehearsals with very little oversight. Thanks, \< Kevin Patrick Assistant Professor of Theatre Columbus State University 706.568.0248 patrick_kevin [at] colstate.edu theatre.colstate.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:55:23 -0500 Subject: Cost of expendables From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: This is in reply to the threads on gel strings and lamps. When I order rental gear, I expect working lamps in them, of course, and order two spare lamps of each type per 15 instruments. For birdies, I order a replacement lamp FOR EACH unit. Once those lamps are done, I believe the cost of further lamps is now firmly in the theatre's hands. Lamps are expendables and the fact that rental shops even include working lamps at all is something of a wonder to me. Lamp cost is enormous! When ordering littlelites... Don't forget to order a spare lamp for them, too! Gel: obviously, cut media is expendable and -- seems to me -- solely the fiscal responsibility of the user. I've never been able to rent scrollers with strings -- I have to buy them or bring my own. As long as I'm buying, I go ahead and spec the colors I want. I always spec the first and last colors on the string to be either clear or a light frost, partly because of lessons learned below. Interesting story: A couple years ago, I've got six scrollers in the air for a dance concert. For whatever reason, somebody decided they must have theatrical lighting for their freaking vocal rehearsal class (in between runs of the concert) and the teacher knew how to turn on the lights -- "1 thru 250 [at] Full" Yup. And, apparently, he had also pulled the power cord going to the scrollers in order to plug in a boom box. Before he turned on the lights. Crew came in the next day to find the lights STILL BURNING. And... Since the scrollers were still in the R90 frame -- well, I wasn't happy. Only two of the scrolls were shot (heat shield saved the other four) and replacements were ordered. But the replacements a) didn't match each other and b) didn't match the first four! The electrician didn't even check them before loading them! So for the next two concerts, I had to write specific dimmer profiles for those two scrollers to get all the scrollers to work together as a group. Now we have 12 scrollers. The additional six were ordered correctly. For the next concert I'm catering to the lowest common denominator and stipulating a) side-by-side string comparisons and replacement of strings that are worn, burned, or nonconforming, b) hard power to scrollers to be run to an inaccessible outlet (dimmer can't be spared), and c) I'm writing the audience-exit look to have the scrollers in the first frame. I will probably also spend my time during hang lining up all the DMX equipment and testing it and loading the scrolls myself. Cris Dopher, LD ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <5411649262e1533dd0112f74ee194e16 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:19:04 -0700 In some older services, ( had one here in Tucson) there is a three phase service that is 220 between any of the 3 phases, 115 between A or C and Ground or Neutral. The voltage between phase B and G or N seems to be anywhere from 150 - 200V Motors love it, I guess it gives them an extra kick or something. The correct panel makes it impossible to use single pole breakers in the high leg. That said, if one were to have another distro coming off as 3 phase breaker some of that joy juice could get out to the edison outlets. Why? I don't know. But it is out there. Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Mar 22, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Stephen Litterst wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Mark O'Brien wrote: >> --------------------------------------------------- > After >> burning a skill-saw up, it was discovered that this outlet, while not >> on 220 was wired onto a "wild leg' and it spit out about 160V > > This is the second time in less than a week I've heard a reference to > "wild leg" power. (I think that should have won the "Stump the > Rigger" prize based on the look on Uncle Bill's face) Can someone > explain what this is and how you get an odd voltage out of it? > > Thanks, > > Steve Litterst > -- > Stephen C. Litterst > Technical Supervisor > Ithaca College > Dept. of Theatre Arts > 607/274-3947 > slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:27:18 -0500 From: Richard Wolpert Subject: RE: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) In-reply-to: Message-id: CAUTION!! Wild leg work is not something for anyone but a qualified electrician to deal with. A "wild" or "high" or "bastard" leg is one of the phases you will find in a 3-phase panelboard that is fed from a "delta" transformer. If you're already confused, then DEFINITELY get an electrician!!! The voltages from two of the legs on an open delta system will be 120V., phase to neutral. In the panelboard, these are usually the A and C phases. The third leg, if it has a center tap, will be 208V. phase to neutral. This will usually the B or center bus in a panelboard. This third leg is the "high" or "wild" leg. It should be marked with an orange wire or tape, and care needs to be taken when dealing with it. If you think a shock from a standard 120V. circuit hurts, then imagine taking a spark from a 208V. line. Why does the high leg exist? That's a subject that would take a lot more time and space than we have here. Suffice to say that it is useful in certain industrial applications and for power transmission. If you're in a space that has this high leg and there is no need for the 208V. line, then it may be a good idea to get a transformer installed to step it down to 120V. on all three legs. Again, get a qualified electrician in to do the work. This is something that is common, and they'll know what to do. Like the bumper sticker says "WIRING IS NOT A HOBBY" Richard A.Wolpert President Union Connector Co., Inc. 40 Dale Street West Babylon, NY 11704 Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204 Fx: 631-753-9560 richw [at] unionconnector.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Stephen Litterst Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:39 AM To: Stagecraft Cc: Mark O'Brien Subject: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Mark O'Brien wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- After > burning a skill-saw up, it was discovered that this outlet, while not > on 220 was wired onto a "wild leg' and it spit out about 160V This is the second time in less than a week I've heard a reference to "wild leg" power. (I think that should have won the "Stump the Rigger" prize based on the look on Uncle Bill's face) Can someone explain what this is and how you get an odd voltage out of it? Thanks, Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: "Klyph Stanford" Subject: RE: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:44:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050322173903.55FC599E4 [at] mailrelay.t-mobile.com> My memory may be a little fuzzy, but I believe we are talking about three phase delta, which is indeed intended for motors. One leg is running at a higher voltage, and IIRC, this is to open the brake on the motor. I just makes em fit where they will work, I don't wire em. Klyph Stanford 336.575.7235 "Let's go get drunk on the light once more." Georges Seurat -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Mark O'Brien Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:19 PM To: Stagecraft Cc: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In some older services, ( had one here in Tucson) there is a three phase service that is 220 between any of the 3 phases, 115 between A or C and Ground or Neutral. The voltage between phase B and G or N seems to be anywhere from 150 - 200V Motors love it, I guess it gives them an extra kick or something. The correct panel makes it impossible to use single pole breakers in the high leg. That said, if one were to have another distro coming off as 3 phase breaker some of that joy juice could get out to the edison outlets. Why? I don't know. But it is out there. Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Mar 22, 2005, at 9:39 AM, Stephen Litterst wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Mark O'Brien wrote: >> --------------------------------------------------- > After >> burning a skill-saw up, it was discovered that this outlet, while not >> on 220 was wired onto a "wild leg' and it spit out about 160V > > This is the second time in less than a week I've heard a reference to > "wild leg" power. (I think that should have won the "Stump the > Rigger" prize based on the look on Uncle Bill's face) Can someone > explain what this is and how you get an odd voltage out of it? > > Thanks, > > Steve Litterst > -- > Stephen C. Litterst > Technical Supervisor > Ithaca College > Dept. of Theatre Arts > 607/274-3947 > slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1de.37bb75e2.2f71b4fe [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:50:54 EST Subject: Re: Email address harvesting In a message dated 22/03/05 02:52:07 GMT Standard Time, stagecraft2005 [at] mckernon.com writes: > I realized recently that I was suddenly getting more spam than usual, and > took a minute to see which of my email addresses was being hit. > > To my total surprise, it was stagecraft2004 [at] mckernon.com, an address I use > exclusively for the stagecraft list! I cancelled my name and subscribed > under a new name, which isn't terrible, but annoying nonetheless. > > So fellow listers, beware - it looks like someone has been harvesting our > email addresses...:( There are other strange things which happen occasionally, too. I sometimes get bounce messages, with the usual 'this address has permanent fatal errors'. The trouble is, IT'S MY OWN ADDRESS! I don't send e-mail to myself, So I'm baffled. Any thoughts? Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050322095022.029453e0 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:56:53 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) In-Reply-To: References: At 09:44 AM 3/22/2005, you wrote: >My memory may be a little fuzzy, but I believe we are talking about three >phase delta, which is indeed intended for motors. One leg is running at a >higher voltage, and IIRC, this is to open the brake on the motor. Actually, all three legs are identical, if you look at them from the perspective of a motor or the generator. The problem is grounding. A 3-phase motor or generator doesn't have a ground reference, one is added for safety. How you do this gives you the Y or Delta configurations. Both are compromises. BTW, homes in the USA are NOT normally fed with 120V as everyone thinks. It's 240 with the center tap grounded. Drawing a lot of current off one leg of the 120V will cause the other leg to go UP in voltage due to the drop over the ground/neutral line (a short on one leg can actually blow out stuff on the other leg before the breaker goes). Fun with transformers. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: Harold Hallikainen Subject: Re: Email address harvesting Reply-To: harold [at] hallikainen.com Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:59:09 -0800 Message-Id: <20050322175909.216CC5815A [at] hosting4.userservices.net> Spammers use harvested addresses in both the to and from fields of outgoing= =0D emails. I get LOTS of bounce messages for emails I never sent.=0D http://www.spamcop.net does a nice job taking apart spam headers, sending= =0D complaints to the mail and web servers used, and developing a block list fo= r mail=0D servers that are used largely for spam. I use their services. It's interest= ing to=0D watch my sendmail logs. Every few minutes there is another email rejected e= ither=0D because the sender's domain name fails DNS lookup or because the server is= =0D blacklisted. If the server is blacklisted, a reject message is sent with a = link=0D to the blacklist page. Between that and SpamAssassin, most of my incoming s= pam is=0D rejected.=0D =0D Note that email harvesting is illegal under CANSPAM. The "Honeypot Project"= is=0D working on prosecution of harvesters.=0D =0D Harold=0D =0D On Tue Mar 22 9:50 , FrankWood95 [at] aol.com sent:=0D =0D >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>=0D >---------------------------------------------------=0D >=0D >In a message dated 22/03/05 02:52:07 GMT Standard Time, =0D >stagecraft2005 [at] mckernon.com writes:=0D >=0D >> I realized recently that I was suddenly getting more spam than usual, an= d=0D >> took a minute to see which of my email addresses was being hit.=0D >> =0D >> To my total surprise, it was stagecraft2004 [at] mckernon.com, an address I = use=0D >> exclusively for the stagecraft list! I cancelled my name and subscribed= =0D >> under a new name, which isn't terrible, but annoying nonetheless.=0D >> =0D >> So fellow listers, beware - it looks like someone has been harvesting o= ur=0D >> email addresses...:(=0D >=0D >There are other strange things which happen occasionally, too. I sometimes= =0D >get bounce messages, with the usual 'this address has permanent fatal erro= rs'. =0D >The trouble is, IT'S MY OWN ADDRESS! I don't send e-mail to myself, So I'm= =0D >baffled. Any thoughts?=0D >=0D >=0D >Frank Wood=0D =0D =0D ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <197.3b1e7b54.2f71b88c [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:06:04 EST Subject: Re: Charged for gelstring damage In a message dated 22/03/05 05:30:44 GMT Standard Time, gregpersin [at] comcast.net writes: > Yes, but as others have said it is an expendable expense that should be in > your shows lighting budget. Most companies charge you for the gelstring > seperately. > > > > > We all know gel has a finite lifespan. My question is, how many weeks of > > regular use is it reasonable to expect a gelstring to last? It depends on many things. On of them is the exact optical design and set-up. As you all know, there are two sepatate optical systems in a profile. One collects the light from the filament, and directs it through the gate towards the lens system. The other projects an image of the gate. Sometimes the first just happens to put a focussed image of the filment in the plane of the colour frame. Since this includes all the IR, such luminaires are great burners-up of gels. I've seen this, on dusty gels: a perfect image of the filament on the gel. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:11:42 EST Subject: Re: Stage Expo photos In a message dated 22/03/05 12:27:24 GMT Standard Time, gbierly [at] dejazzd.com writes: > > I'm in the geeky one with the beard. > > Doesn't that describe a lot of us Theater Professionals? (me included) I don't quite know how to define 'geeky', but certainly a majority of our LDs wear beards, as I do. SDs are usually clean shaven. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Sam Fisher" Subject: RE: Cost of expendables (keeping classes from burning lamps) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:12:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >snip "Interesting story: A couple years ago, I've got six scrollers in the air for a dance concert. For whatever reason, somebody decided they must have theatrical lighting for their freaking vocal rehearsal class (in between runs of the concert) and the teacher knew how to turn on the lights -- "1 thru 250 [at] Full" Yup. And, apparently, he had also pulled the power cord going to the scrollers in order to plug in a boom box. Before he turned on the lights." So when this situation exists, and it does in many venues, find a hidden place to disconnect the DMX signal so that between shows those with keys can't get the light board to work. Sam Fisher ------------------------------ From: "Jack Morones" Subject: RE: florida pyro - fire fly Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:15:29 -0800 Organization: Saddleback College Message-ID: <002701c52f0b$21a1ba40$6500a8c0 [at] SCJACKLT> In-Reply-To: "J.S. Marsh special effects" has used these types of flame projectors. They are based in Southern California, but do events all over the world. You can contact Jeff Marsh at (909) 238-8191. Jeff really knows his stuff. Great guy. -Jack Jack R. Morones Production Manager McKinney Theatre -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of IAEG [at] aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 5:22 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: florida pyro - fire fly For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- anyone with knowledge / reference to a Pyro company in Florida that has or has access to "Fire Flies" or any similar remotely triggered propane fueled flame generators ? if so, , please contact me off list, thanks in advance, very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Subject: RE: 240/120 balancing (Was: Wild Leg & was Boombox suggestions) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:17:37 -0600 Message-ID: <71D0296313DCB24C93FE62A0CA7B49CA423B86 [at] adminmail4.ui.uillinois.edu> From: "Flowers, Curt" ---------- Jerry Durand commented: BTW, homes in the USA are NOT normally fed with 120V ... It's 240 with the center tap grounded. Drawing a lot of current off one leg of the 120V will cause the other leg to go UP in voltage due to=20 the drop over the ground/neutral line (a short on one leg can actually blow out stuff on the other leg before the breaker goes). ---------------- Interesting! It appears that incandescent light bulbs don't last long in my environment. And near new fluorescent fixtures have been failing. My one leg measure 125v the other 123v. Would the apparent short life of bulbs be indicative of this unbalanced leg situation? Thanks Curt, Illinois ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:20:35 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <489665115.20050322132035 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re[2]: Charged for gelstring damage In-Reply-To: References: Hello ! Monday, March 21, 2005, yBarney Simon wrote: > if a lamp failed, he would have the crew replace it with one of his > inventory, tag the instrument, then swap the burned out lamp back > into the unit (reclaiming his replacement),before sending the unit > back to the rental shop. Although there is no practical way to prove it, I have had customers whom I'd suspected of swapping my good lamps with their burned out ones before returning rented units to me. One of those customers inadvertently tipped their hand when they bought several instruments similar to those they had been renting for years. I asked if they'd like to buy spare lamp bulbs and was startled when they declined to buy spares and even buy original lamps for their new instruments. I asked the kid that was placing the order if he was sure he didn't wantto order lamps for their new instruments and he replaied cheerfully: "Nah, we've already got the lamps we need." I then asked if the lamps were in boxes, and he said "You mean they come in boxes?" Too funny...I later accused the department head of the moderate pilfering of lamp bulbs out of the instruments they had rented, and he grinned, sheepishly, when he said "Well, that's why we thought we ought to buy our new instruments from you!" Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill') Subject: RE: Re[2]: Charged for gelstring damage Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:27:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c52f0c$d64f4740$6501a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Too funny...I later accused the department head of the > moderate pilfering of lamp bulbs out of the instruments they > had rented, and he grinned, sheepishly, when he said "Well, > that's why we thought we ought to buy our new instruments from you!" So, he was ethical, but not honest. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Charged for gelstring damage Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:35:06 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B7323A45 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" >Randy my question to you is did you actually melt holes through the = gel or >did the gel strings just fade to the point they were unusable? In all the affected units, the seam *between* two colors melted, and = stuck to the gel still rolled up on the spindle, preventing the scroller = from advancing past that frame. >Did you notice the strings were failing or did they just die one day? They worked perfectly up until the point of failure. >What color did you burn up? one color or several? Were these stock = strings >that the company uses all of the time, something they had sitting = around, or >special colors by request?=20 It was between two deeply saturated colors, a blue and a green. These = were stock "Broadway" strings that they apparently use all the time. >Did the rental company overnight new strings or >units to you? I called them up, explained my problem, and asked them to send new = strings. The next day I received a complete new set of scrollers via = FedEx. I then drove the damaged units 100 miles (almost exactly) to = their shop in Seattle so that we wouldn't be charged an additional = rental fee. >It seems odd you got 30 days of use out of them and then they fail. = Are you >sure someone didn't leave the fixtures burning when you weren't = around? I can't be on the stage 24/7, but I am as sure as I can reasonably be. >I know it's a fine line, but like Frank Merrill said you don't want to >charge someone for a lamp that was at the end of it's life and about = to die >anyway, but if four lamps came back shattered you would probably = consider >that damage. I rented eight scrollers, put them all into identical fixtures, all = focused the same, and patched them to a single submaster. All eight = units were used simultaneously for the entire show - all up, all down. = The dimmer intensities were uniform for all eight. However, after 20 = shows, half were damaged and half were fine. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <6a.51ac8939.2f71c004 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:37:56 EST Subject: Re: Boombox suggestions In a message dated 22/03/05 16:35:30 GMT Standard Time, marko [at] email.arizona.edu writes: > Years ago, I worked in a theatre in Baltimore that had one outlet in > the shop that all the tools ran better, faster, and stronger. After > burning a skill-saw up, it was discovered that this outlet, while not > on 220 was wired onto a "wild leg' and it spit out about 160V I still don't understand how "wild legs" can happen. In the UK, three-phase supplies reach the consumer as star connected. Five wires, the three phases, neutral, and earth. Phase-to-neutral, 230V; phase-to-phase, 380V. No other possibilities exist, without special installations. The same in France, except that you have to provide your own earth connection. Guesswork suggests a three-phase delta connection, with one phase earthed. It seems to be an US custom to treat earth and neutral as interchangeable. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Jack Morones" Subject: vectorworks moving light symbols Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 10:42:51 -0800 Organization: Saddleback College Message-ID: <002801c52f0e$f45117d0$6500a8c0 [at] SCJACKLT> My version of VW spotlight does not have symbols for ETC revolution moving lights. Does anyone know of a location to download this symbol? Thanks a bunch. -Jack Jack R. Morones Production Manager McKinney Theatre ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4240688D.61DF5855 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:48:45 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Boombox suggestions References: LES LIND wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Although Ican't give you a specific brand, what I try to do when > shopping for a boombox is to pick it up. If it's heavy usually the > speakers have heavier magnets in them. We bought my son a Sony years ago > and it was the best sounding box we ever owned. He still has it. My wife > bought one for school and it was very light. Couldn't get much volume > out of it. I know it's not scientific but that's my story and I'm > sticking to it. I go the other way for boomboxes. They are an expendable item, too easily broken or stolen. I buy whatever is in the markdown bin at the local department store or remnants store. That way when someone breaks or steals it, I am not out very much cash. I'll also do things like paint them in fluorescent colors and engrave on the case something along the lines of: Stolen from Columbus State University theater department. Also buy a couple at a time, and keep the spares locked away in a very secure location, and one spare in the spares locker that all the staff have keys too. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42406933.DA77F3C4 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:51:31 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Boombox suggestions References: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 22/03/05 16:35:30 GMT Standard Time, > marko [at] email.arizona.edu writes: > > > Years ago, I worked in a theatre in Baltimore that had one outlet in > > the shop that all the tools ran better, faster, and stronger. After > > burning a skill-saw up, it was discovered that this outlet, while not > > on 220 was wired onto a "wild leg' and it spit out about 160V > > I still don't understand how "wild legs" can happen. In the UK, three-phase > supplies reach the consumer as star connected. Five wires, the three phases, > neutral, and earth. Phase-to-neutral, 230V; phase-to-phase, 380V. No other > possibilities exist, without special installations. The same in France, except that > you have to provide your own earth connection. > > Guesswork suggests a three-phase delta connection, with one phase earthed. It > seems to be an US custom to treat earth and neutral as interchangeable. > > Frank Wood Frank. Power companies, like many other people, do things differently in other countries and regions. Write that in the palm of your hand so you will remember it. --Dale ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <30.6ee3b450.2f71c357 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:52:07 EST Subject: Re: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) In a message dated 22/03/05 17:25:29 GMT Standard Time, richw [at] unionconnector.com writes: > It should be marked with an orange wire or > tape, and care needs to be taken when dealing with it. If you think a shock > from a standard 120V. circuit hurts, then imagine taking a spark from a > 208V. line. Not fatal. I've had them from 240V lines. OK, you take your hand away pretty quick, and meybe speak a few profane words. But I have a pretty dry skin. Those of us who don't need to take more care. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1f6.6148fed.2f71c482 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:57:06 EST Subject: Re: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) In a message dated 22/03/05 17:58:03 GMT Standard Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > Actually, all three legs are identical, if you look at them from the > perspective of a motor or the generator. The problem is grounding. A > 3-phase motor or generator doesn't have a ground reference, one is added > for safety. How you do this gives you the Y or Delta configurations. Both > are compromises. You are confusing ground and neutral. They are not the same thing. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050322104649.029a38e8 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:06:03 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: 240/120 balancing (Was: Wild Leg & was Boombox suggestions) In-Reply-To: References: At 10:17 AM 3/22/2005, you wrote: >Interesting! It appears that incandescent light bulbs don't last long in >my environment. And near new fluorescent fixtures have been failing. My >one leg measure 125v the other 123v. Would the apparent short life of >bulbs be indicative of this unbalanced leg situation? Yes, probably. You can also play tricks with this center-tapped power. You are allowed (in normal non-dimmer connections) to share a neutral between both legs. If you have two heavy-current 120V devices, you can connect one between each leg and the neutral. When they're both on at the same time, very little current flows through the neutral and you save a few cents/hour on not having the power loss in the neutral. If you ever get a broken ground/neutral connection, putting a heavy load on one leg will drive the other close to 240V. Fire time. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:08:30 -0500 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Boombox suggestions Ok ya got me there... I've never painted a boombox. If I knew it was going to be abused or stolen I'd probably go the cheap route as well. Les Lind, TD NHS Dramatics Northeastern High School Manchester, PA >>> dale [at] cybercom.net 3/22/05 1:48 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- LES LIND wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Although Ican't give you a specific brand, what I try to do when > shopping for a boombox is to pick it up. If it's heavy usually the > speakers have heavier magnets in them. We bought my son a Sony years ago > and it was the best sounding box we ever owned. He still has it. My wife > bought one for school and it was very light. Couldn't get much volume > out of it. I know it's not scientific but that's my story and I'm > sticking to it. I go the other way for boomboxes. They are an expendable item, too easily broken or stolen. I buy whatever is in the markdown bin at the local department store or remnants store. That way when someone breaks or steals it, I am not out very much cash. I'll also do things like paint them in fluorescent colors and engrave on the case something along the lines of: Stolen from Columbus State University theater department. Also buy a couple at a time, and keep the spares locked away in a very secure location, and one spare in the spares locker that all the staff have keys too. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42406E57.7C98EE19 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 14:13:28 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: 240/120 balancing (Was: Wild Leg & was Boombox suggestions) References: "Flowers, Curt" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > Jerry Durand commented: > BTW, homes in the USA are NOT normally fed with 120V ... It's 240 with > the center tap grounded. Drawing a lot of current off one leg of the > 120V will cause the other leg to go UP in voltage due to > the drop over the ground/neutral line (a short on one leg can actually > blow out stuff on the other leg before the breaker goes). > ---------------- > > Interesting! It appears that incandescent light bulbs don't last long in > my environment. And near new fluorescent fixtures have been failing. My > one leg measure 125v the other 123v. Would the apparent short life of > bulbs be indicative of this unbalanced leg situation? > > Thanks > Curt, Illinois That is probably a factor. THat voltage level is, IIRC, within spec, although just barely. ( Without going and checking references. Remember that US power spec is 120VAC nominal, not absolute. ) Power companies will adjust the voltage taps on their transformers to bring the delivered power to nominal level for all the customers, which means that customers at the end of the street next to the transformer get 125 volts, and the customers way down at the end of the wire get 110 volts or so. Add in changing demand and you will get voltage sags and jumps. Do you notice your kitchen lights dim for a moment when the refrigerator starts up? That's a demand based voltage sag. Perhaps your neighbor used to have electric heat and just installed a fossil fuel furnace. That removal of load will increase the average voltage on your street. The other fellow next door just installed central air conditioning and a chiller to keep his outdoor pool nice and cool in the summer time. This increase in load will drop the average voltage during warm weather. This is a much more complex issue and I'm handwaving lots of stuff. As for your bulbs burning out, my experience is that many of the cheap fluorescent fixtures have a rather short half-life, and don't stand up to extremes that they should be designed and built to cope with. There are also other factors like vibration and ambient temperature that will severely shorten bulb life. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050322203100.016ecba0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:31:00 From: CB Subject: Re: ETCP Handbook >The >point system was arrived at after much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Lots >of discussion within and outside the committee. Ya should been there. Watching the discussion about the font size (including the fact that it now doubled as a vision test to weed out oldsters like me) was a sight to see! ; > Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050322204217.016ecba0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:42:17 From: CB Subject: Re: Surfboard >It's eight feet and glassy, dude.... OK, I wsas doing just fine with the surfboard discussion until this came up. Now I have physical urges that I can do nothing about, being six and a half hours to the nearest surf, and eight to the nearest surf that doesn't suck (Gulf surf is just work). I've tried to get my ya-yas from windsurfing, but that just doesn't do it. Anywho, I have a tri-skegger shorty in the garage (that hasn't seen wax in fifteeen years) and a giant windsurf board and no wind. Windsurfers are monsters (at least the beginner types) and would sort of emulate the older longboards and take a huge amount of cantilevered force. I could set mine up on sawhorses and have three or four people stand on the span. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000801c52f18$aac190e0$0100a8c0 [at] tricia> From: "CrewCall" References: Subject: Ratchet box wrench\spanner Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 19:52:23 -0000 Hi One and all, Be trying to buy a ratchet box wrench\spanner,the type that has the revisable head so it's 4 sizes,(god I hope someone understands me) so basically you have 4 ratchet spanner in one.The guy in the shop only had the set like normal spanners 2 sizes per spanner.any-ways the question is there a special name for this type,or anyone know where to by one from uk would be but anywhere else will do. Thanks Chris ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050322205056.016ecba0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:50:56 From: CB Subject: Re: [Show-Control] Stage Expo photos I'm getting nothing. "Operation timed out when trying to contact www.jdurand.no-ip.org" Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050322111426.029ad588 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:17:24 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Stage Expo photos If you have any problems getting to the photos, my DI-624 router has decided to start rebooting itself. D-Link suggests doing a CRASH RECOVERY and loading older firmware. Hopefully this will be stable shortly, our office depends on this router working. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050322110642.029a3c00 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:10:21 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Wild Leg (was Re: Boombox suggestions) In-Reply-To: References: At 10:57 AM 3/22/2005, you wrote: >You are confusing ground and neutral. They are not the same thing. In the USA the neutral is tied to ground both at the "fuse" box and at the power transformer on the pole. Our residential mains feed here consists of the two legs (240V between them) and a ground wire, it doesn't even HAVE a neutral. Due to the center-tapped nature of our power here, you have to be VERY sure your neutral is securely tied to ground. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:19:13 -0500 Subject: Re: ETCP Handbook From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Peter has the right of it folks. This is a beginning. The Council is indeed investigating other certifications and certificates. (I can speak with authority on this as I sit on that Council) As the industry grows and it's needs grow, so will the programs. Thanks Bill www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html on 3/22/05 9:46 AM, Scheu Consulting Services at peter [at] scheuconsulting.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Richard Bakos wrote: > >> If this is for only the upper tier then what good is the >> certification? > > ...and... > >> This does no good to any one. >> What is needed is a test standard ( and the study materials to >> go with ) >> that we can train members to and have them end up as "Certified" >> riggers. As others have posted the time required to even qualify to >> take the test will take a lifetime in some locals. > > That's what the handbook is for. It tells you what will be tested. Pretty > detailed, actually. It's all in there. It appears from your comments that > you may not have read it yet... > > I don't want to speak for the ETCP council, but it is my understanding that > the ETCP Council is in the process of identifying and evaluating which > existing programs and training courses would qualify to "teach to" the > certification "body of knowledge". Please keep in mind that the rigging test > in November is a mere baby step in a whole industry wide certification > process. There will be growing pains. > > Yes, there will be certifications in other disciples (i.e. electrical > skills). Also, of much more general interest, there is a process in place to > provide "Essential Skills" certification, that would cover far more people > than a certification in a particular discipline. You really should go to the > ETCP website and look closely at the material there to get a good overview > of the whole program and process. And if you still have questions or > concerns, you should contact the ETCP council directly (that would be Mr. > Sapsis, among others). This IS an open process > > Mat Goebel wrote: > >> Is there a forum or something similar where this standards are discussed > while they are being developed and open to public comment and review? > > The ETCP certification process is separate from ESTA's Technical Standards > Program. ETCP will certify people's skills and abilities. ESTA/TSP is > developing standards that cover materials, equipment, use, and design. In > both cases, however, the process is open and you are invited to make > comments and/or join the process. See the ESTA and ETCP websites for details > as to how to make "official" comments and/or participate.. The more the > merrier!!! > > Frankly, griping on the list may make one feel better, and some WILL listen > and try to address your concerns when they meet to discuss these things. But > you need to be personally proactive and get involved in the process. Even if > it's only to go to directly to ESTA/ETCP and voice your concerns there, > instead of this forum. You're more likely to be heard there than here. > > Peter Scheu > > Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. > www.scheuconsulting.com > Tel: 315.422.9984 > fax: 413.513.4966 > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050322202424.71352.qmail [at] web14121.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:24:24 -0800 (PST) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: Charged for gelstring damage >Hey all - we rented eight scrollers for six weeks >for our run of "Anything Goes". Four weeks in we >discovered that four of the eight = >units had melted gelstrings, making them unusable. >The rental company quickly shipped us new units to >finish the run, but we have now been = >notified that we are responsible for $315 in damages. >We did nothing unusual with these scrollers, and >were certainly not negligent in their use. Should >gelstring burnout be considered normal wear and tear >on a long run like that? >Cheers, >-- r. >Randy Storms Well, I wouldn't consider MELTING to be normal wear and tear after only 4 weeks of a run. We run into a semantics issue here - you consider 6 weeks a long run, while from my perspective on a touring show, that is not a very long time at all. We typically change out gel strings about once a year, unless some issue like fading, damage, or huge dirt build up makes it necessary to change them sooner. We do, however, use heat shield in every scroller. Heavy, expensive Rosco IR heatsheild. So I can't really directly compare our usage. There are a lot of variables, of course. How saturated the colors are, how long the lamp is up and at what level, ventilation, and the bench focus of a given lamp, for starters. Fading is normal. A little darkening is normal. Melting is kind of extreme. Melting 4 out of 8 new strings in 30 days would certainly get my attention as being unusual. Were the gel strings new when you got them? Did you check them when you got them? Did you pay for them separately? (This is kind of standard - unusual if you were not charged separately for the media, even if it wasn't a custom color mix). I take it you didn't order any spare gel strings? And since they sent you entire new units rather than just new strings, does this mean that the units with the melted strings were not working at all, or just that you are unfamiliar with how to string them? In the future, I'd suggest using heat shield and paying attention to how long your scroller units are sitting up in one color - particularly a saturated color. Were they up in some kind of work light cue, for instance? Sitting up for an hour long preset? Even that shouldn't really cause massive meltdown, but it can contribute. On the face of it, it sounds like asking for an additional $315 doesn't sound particularly out of line. Particularly if you not only had melted gel strings, but subsequent unusuable units. June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <424081D7.3070507 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:36:39 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: ETCP Handbook References: Chris, At the meeting in Toronto, I inquired if there was an age cutoff. Bill Sapsis replied that there was not and even I would not be disenfranchised if I qualified. ;) Steve CB wrote: [snip] > Ya should been there. Watching the discussion about the font size > (including the fact that it now doubled as a vision test to weed out > oldsters like me) was a sight to see! > ; > > Chris "Chris" Babbie ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050322124545.02a0d530 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:46:51 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: [Show-Control] Stage Expo photos In-Reply-To: References: At 12:50 PM 3/22/2005, you wrote: >I'm getting nothing. >"Operation timed out when trying to contact www.jdurand.no-ip.org" Try again, I think the router is working now. Great time to find out D-Link routers have two modes..."working perfectly" and "constantly rebooting". ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050322124953.029f3f38 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:51:29 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: [Show-Control] Stage Expo photos In-Reply-To: References: At 12:50 PM 3/22/2005, you wrote: >I'm getting nothing. >"Operation timed out when trying to contact www.jdurand.no-ip.org" I might mention that you should use the REFRESH button on your browser if you have problems, this address goes to the Mac in our office and the IP address changed when the router crashed. That's why it's at a "no-ip.org" address, they track the IP address changes. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 12:54:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Ratchet box wrench\spanner From: James Feinberg In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <914932F7-9B14-11D9-AFAD-00039367B7D4 [at] sandiego.edu> Are you describing the LightSpeed wrench? http://roadietools.com/lightspeed.html --jamesf On Tuesday, March 22, 2005, at 11:52 AM, CrewCall wrote: > Be trying to buy a ratchet box wrench\spanner,the type that has the > revisable head so it's 4 sizes,(god I hope someone understands me) so > basically you have 4 ratchet spanner in one.The guy in the shop only > had the set like normal spanners 2 sizes per spanner.any-ways the > question is there a special name for this type,or anyone know where to > by one from uk would be but anywhere else will do. > > Thanks > Chris > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42408B16.1020800 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:16:06 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: [Show-Control] Stage Expo photos References: Jerry, It worked for me. To my right with black hat is Don Guido from Binghamton, NY. Steve Jerry Durand wrote: > Try again, I think the router is working now. Great time to find out > D-Link routers have two modes..."working perfectly" and "constantly >[snipped] ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <90c264f019e3ab85f02b8ccaacff39ff [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Cost of expendables (keeping classes from burning lamps) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:22:40 -0500 I ran into a similar situation over the summer. I had the scrollers up and unplugged them at the wall. Cheerleaders came in and decided to rehearse onstage and someone knew how to turn the console on. I do the same thing now and unplug the DMX (or unpatch the scroller fixtures) Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4efe3bd10b5068693ea4c2f379e4dad2 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Surfboard Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:33:01 -0500 OK this is very weird. How many replies to the surfboard post have there been? This is the first one I have seen and I was told there was at least one other sent. I checked my Spam mailbox and nothing there. If there were other posts could someone take it upon themselves to forward any responses off-list to me. BTW I did check the archives but I was not able to access any messages from this month as usual. Sigh. Thanks Greg >> It's eight feet and glassy, dude.... > > OK, I wsas doing just fine with the surfboard discussion until this > came > up. Now I have physical urges that I can do nothing about, being six > and a > half hours to the nearest surf, and eight to the nearest surf that > doesn't > Chris "Chris" Babbie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:38:11 -0600 Subject: Re: Cost of expendables (keeping classes from burning lamps) From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Greg Bierly wrote: > I ran into a similar situation over the summer. I had the scrollers up > and unplugged them at the wall. Cheerleaders came in and decided to > rehearse onstage and someone knew how to turn the console on. I do the > same thing now and unplug the DMX (or unpatch the scroller fixtures) I had a client who had the same issues. We wrote a macro that parked all of the dimmers to 0% that he didn't want others to use. Of course this was about 90% of his rig. This way they (the unauthorized users) could feel happy as they got more fixtures then the standard "work" lights but couldn't burn his whole rig. Anyone who called him to complain that they could only make a few lights work off the console was "busted" for unauthorized use of the stage lighting. Anyone who was a trained operator knew how to "unlock" the console either by the un-park macro he wrote or manually. He has also written a basic console patch with only the work light dimmers in it that he loads when appropriate. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:42:31 -0600 Subject: Re: Surfboard From: Greg Persinger Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > If there were other posts could someone take it upon themselves to > forward any responses off-list to me. Greg, You have mail. Greg Persinger Vivid Illumination Greg [at] Vividillumination.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4bcd50138362aef6866f8b58a23f4301 [at] nyu.edu> From: Mike Voytko Subject: Re: What is the Best Genie Lift to buy Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:40:28 -0500 We looked at JLG's DVL driveable lifts, but our theater (on the 5th floor) was not rated for a 2000 lb. unit. Even if it was, I don't think our old freight elevator would have survived :-) Instead, we went with a JLG 15AMI lift. The 15' model has no outriggers, weighs about 800 lbs. empty, extendable basket option (*very* handy, and the gull-wing basket entry is nice too). Best of all, no annoying foot-pump action like the Genie IWPs--it uses only a single foot brake connected to an interlock switch. We now own two and like them both very much--A great option if a 15-foot platform height is enough. HTH, Mike V. -- Mike Voytko Lighting & Sound Supervisor TSOA Theatrical Production New York University ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003801c52f30$9cc10bc0$0202a8c0 [at] laptop> From: "Ian Cunningham" References: Subject: Re: Ratchet box wrench\spanner Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:43:41 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "CrewCall" Subject: Ratchet box wrench\spanner > Hi One and all, > > Be trying to buy a ratchet box wrench\spanner,the type that has the > revisable head so it's 4 sizes,(god I hope someone understands me) so > basically you have 4 ratchet spanner in one.The guy in the shop only > had the set like normal spanners 2 sizes per spanner.any-ways the > question is there a special name for this type,or anyone know where to > by one from uk would be but anywhere else will do. You're looking for a quad spanner and you can get them from Flints in London http://www.flints.co.uk/acatalog/Flints_Online__Quad_Spanner_108.html has 13mm (M8), 17mm (M10) ,19mm (M12) and 21mm (scaff) Not cheap but its a quality tool that you'll find hard to break. - their podgers are damn near indestructable Flints catalogue is a goldmine of useful theatrical gubbins Ian Cunningham Solus Technical Services ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:53:24 -0500 From: ish [at] twcny.rr.com Subject: Re: Email address harvesting Reply-to: ish [at] twcny.rr.com Message-id: <8a6e848a90be.8a90be8a6e84 [at] nyroc.rr.com> I'm a Community Theater Actor/Director by night - Computer Security Engineer by day... Many of these viruses/worms out there try to hide which of your friends are REALLY infected. So they grab the victim's address book, internet cache and a number of other places. Then they send infected payload from one address it has found - to another address that it has found. So the actual infected person's email address never appears on the email (so recipients can't reply to the actually infected person and warn them.) Since it grabs every email address it can find (inculding bad ones, even from pages the victim surfed to that are in the internet cache) the virus often bounces, but if it was forged to come from YOU... then you get the bounced message. Spammers also use this trick to send out mass emails in your name (once they have harvested it, which yes under CAN-SPAM is against the law) rather than their own address (back to that hiding from the law thing again) and they cause LOTS of bounces. ----- Original Message ----- From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 12:50 pm Subject: Re: Email address harvesting > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------- > ------------------ > > In a message dated 22/03/05 02:52:07 GMT Standard Time, > stagecraft2005 [at] mckernon.com writes: > > > I realized recently that I was suddenly getting more spam than > usual, and > > took a minute to see which of my email addresses was being hit. > > > > To my total surprise, it was stagecraft2004 [at] mckernon.com, an > address I use > > exclusively for the stagecraft list! I cancelled my name and > subscribed> under a new name, which isn't terrible, but annoying > nonetheless.> > > So fellow listers, beware - it looks like someone has been > harvesting our > > email addresses...:( > > There are other strange things which happen occasionally, too. I > sometimes > get bounce messages, with the usual 'this address has permanent > fatal errors'. > The trouble is, IT'S MY OWN ADDRESS! I don't send e-mail to > myself, So I'm > baffled. Any thoughts? > > > Frank Wood > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ee.3825faf9.2f71fc6c [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:55:40 EST Subject: Re: 240/120 balancing (Was: Wild Leg & was Boombox suggestions) In a message dated 22/03/05 19:08:15 GMT Standard Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > If you ever get a broken ground/neutral connection, putting a heavy load on > one leg will drive the other close to 240V. Fire time. As I have said, I don't understand US power distributions. To use your terminology, ground and neutral are two different things. Neutral is the star point of a star connected three-phase supply. This is usually grounded at the sub-station, and nowhere else. UK colour code black (soon to change to blue). Ground is green/yellow stripes. They have different purposes. The neutral carries the out-of-balance current: the ground is there to make RCDs work, or to blow fuses. They are NOT interchangeable. Frank Wood ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #338 *****************************