Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 21927935; Wed, 20 Apr 2005 03:01:05 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #369 Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 03:00:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #369 1. pregnancy suit by "jknipple" 2. Re: pregnancy suit by IAEG [at] aol.com 3. Re: info on Lycian 1271 by "Abby Downing" 4. Re: info on Lycian 1271 by Mike Brubaker 5. Re: Presidium stage by "Paul Guncheon" 6. Re: pregnancy suit by Boyd Ostroff 7. info on Lycian 1271 by CB 8. Re: Funniest performance you have seen at the theatre or on live stage by CB 9. Funniest performance you have seen at the theatre or on live stage by CB 10. Re: Sound question and film by CB 11. Sharing a fire clean-up story by "H-High-S (Ferreira, Jr.)" 12. Pope Smoke by Mark O'Brien 13. Re: Pope Smoke by IAEG [at] aol.com 14. Re: Pope Smoke by Stephen Litterst 15. Re: pregnancy suit by "Michael Denison" 16. Re: Pope Smoke by "C. Andrew Dunning" 17. presidium Stage by b Ricie 18. Re: pregnancy suit by Bill Sapsis 19. Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville by Brian Munroe 20. Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 21. Re: pregnancy suit by "Scheu Consulting Services" 22. Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 23. Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story by "Scheu Consulting Services" 24. Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story by Greg Williams 25. Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 26. South Pacific props by Steve Boone 27. Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 28. Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 29. OT - Toll free numbers by Barney Simon 30. Stage Weaponry by "James, Brian" 31. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by "Storms, Randy" 32. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Nathan Kahn 33. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by "Michael S. Eddy" 34. Cannon Fodder by "Tony Deeming" 35. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Boyd Ostroff 36. Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville by Pat Kight 37. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by David Marks 38. Re: Cannon Fodder by "Storms, Randy" 39. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Charlie Richmond 40. Re: South Pacific props by "Frank E. Merrill" 41. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Dale Farmer 42. Re: South Pacific props by Dale Farmer 43. US vs. UK Fire Curtains (was RE: Sharing a fire clean-up story) by "Scheu Consulting Services" 44. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Charlie Richmond 45. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" 46. Re: South Pacific props by "Johnson, Keith" 47. U2 Playstation Light Control by Colin Koffel 48. Re: Cannon Fodder by Dale Farmer 49. Re: Stage Weaponry by Ben 50. Re: U2 Playstation Light Control by stage craft 51. Re: U2 Playstation Light Control by Charlie Richmond 52. Re: Cannon Fodder by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 53. Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story by Mike Brubaker 54. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Shawn Palmer 55. Re: US vs. UK Fire Curtains (was RE: Sharing a fire clean-up story) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 56. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 57. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" 58. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" 59. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Mark O'Brien 60. Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville by Jerry Durand 61. Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville by Jerry Durand 62. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Jerry Durand 63. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by "Michael S. Eddy" 64. Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville by Samuel Jones 65. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Greg Bierly 66. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Jerry Durand 67. Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville by Brian Munroe 68. Re: US vs. UK Fire Curtains (was RE: Sharing a fire clean-up story) by "Jon Ares" 69. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by "Don Taco" 70. Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville by Stuart Wheaton 71. Re: Cannon Fodder by Stuart Wheaton 72. Christmas Trees by Chris Wych 73. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Jerry Durand 74. OT - Toll free numbers by "Jonathan Wills" 75. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Noah Price 76. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Bruce Purdy 77. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Charlie Richmond *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: pregnancy suit Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:35:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: "jknipple" Anyone have a plan for a pregnancy suit? My wife is costuming a show and = needs to make one quickly. Thanks! Jim James Knipple =A0 Technical Director REP Stage - www.howardcc.edu/repstage Student-Alumni Arts - Howard Community College=20 - www.howardcc.edu/studentarts jknipple [at] howardcc.edu 410-772-4451 ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <42.67860108.2f96663b [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:48:43 EDT Subject: Re: pregnancy suit In a message dated 4/19/05 9:35:59 AM, jknipple [at] howardcc.edu writes: << Anyone have a plan for a pregnancy suit? My wife is costuming a show and needs to make one quickly. Thanks! Jim >> Damn! saw that Subject Line and thought someone was suing me ! very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Subject: RE: info on Lycian 1271 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:58:02 -0400 Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA2A03FC [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local> From: "Abby Downing" High temp silicon or teflon lube used in moving lights may also do the trick. =20 -----Original Message----- From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com [mailto:FrankWood95 [at] aol.com]=20 Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:17 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: info on Lycian 1271 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 18/04/05 22:28:54 GMT Daylight Time, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu=20 writes: > Aside from fan noise, our units (about seven years old I think) have > developed squeaky dowsers. I'm talking fingernails on slate kind of > squeaks. No amount of graphite has managed to alleviate this. Try the copper-based lubricants sold to stop the interchangeable bits in soldering irons from sticking in their holders. Obviously, they are rated for use=20 at very high temperatures. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050419090738.05732458 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:08:56 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: info on Lycian 1271 In-Reply-To: References: How about automotive brake anti-seize compound? Comes in high temp or higher temp (aluminum or copper, I believe). Mike At 08:58 AM 4/19/2005, you wrote: >High temp silicon or teflon lube used in moving lights may also do the >trick. > > > > Aside from fan noise, our units (about seven years old I think) have > > developed squeaky dowsers. I'm talking fingernails on slate kind of > > squeaks. No amount of graphite has managed to alleviate this. > >Try the copper-based lubricants sold to stop the interchangeable bits in > >soldering irons from sticking in their holders. Obviously, they are >rated for use >at very high temperatures. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 04:18:34 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Presidium stage Message-id: <00bd01c544ea$acc9ceb0$0202a8c0 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: > No idiots here. I *know* what a proscenium stage is (and the other > permutations of staging). However an acquaintance got all bent out > of shape insisting that there is a "presidium" stage and before > I correct him, I wanted to ask the experts. I, for one, have never heard of that term and would assume it's a mispronunciation of "proscenium". If you know somebody who claims familiarity with this name, rather than "correct", ask this person to describe it and let us know what it is. We'll leave the " no idiots here / bent out of shape over a stage configuration term" discussion for later. Laters, Paul "There's no need for silence," Tom allowed. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 10:35:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: pregnancy suit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 IAEG [at] aol.com wrote: > Damn! saw that Subject Line and thought someone was suing me ! Ha, ha! That was my exact thought also.... "I swear it wasn't me, I never touched her, I was out of town, I don't even know her!" ;-) | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050419064854.00add630 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:48:54 From: CB Subject: info on Lycian 1271 >Has anyone worked with a Lycian 1271? > >If so, how loud are they? *sigh* I can NOT wait till this is a silly questino again. I can't believe that they actually make lights for theatrical use that make enough noise that even the carps are asking me to turn them down (Greensbor, N.C., 4/14, during our load- in, amps weren't even plugged in...). Lighting manufacturers take note, people are beginning to make lighting choices based on volume... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050419064938.00ae68b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:49:38 From: CB Subject: RE: Funniest performance you have seen at the theatre or on live stage >Does anyone still have the story? Yup, its in my archives at home. I'll post it when I return from Scotland middle of May, if it hasn't been posted by anyone else by then. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050419065016.00ae68b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:50:16 From: CB Subject: Funniest performance you have seen at the theatre or on live stage >I'd love to hear some of your stories about the funniest things that you >have seen at the theatre. >Live, or backstage or perhaps the storyline of the script. Not a chance. This is an obvious troll for the best stories, and will, in this long winded and , eh-hehm, er... experienced lot, taek over the entirety of the list. In addition, this request is usually accompanied by an offer to acquire the next round of frosty adult beverage. In addition to the above listed, (and very good, I might add) reasons, I will be saving mine for the upcoming movie, 'Momma, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to be Stagehands', if I can secure the rights... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050419065112.00ae68b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 06:51:12 From: CB Subject: Re: Sound question and film >>>> I tend to put a vocal head-slate on the tape, giving the audio post >>>> folks >> Fine. But don't forget the clapper-board. >The actual "Slate" as it were?! >I always try to get an audio clap, but most times nowadays it comes >secondary to getting the proper timecode numbers. Hah! Sunil fell for it. Frank sucked you into a conversation on his level. If you look closely, he was referring to the head slate, with tone and comments to the editor, whcih have no corresponding picture. While there might be timecode running, you could also slate the take, but both would be superfluous. Having nothing to sync to, what would be the purpose? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050419104806.02b9b1c0 [at] mail.kingphilip.org> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:36:14 -0400 From: "H-High-S (Ferreira, Jr.)" Subject: Sharing a fire clean-up story Just thought the list might appreciate the following. Last Tuesday, a fire broke out in the heating/air exchange system of my theatre, spewing a variety of toxic substances into the theatre through the heating vents (the result of 50-year-old equipment being used just too long). This occurred a day before the ground-breaking ceremony for our new school, including my brand-new, larger theatre facility and scene shop. A fire-damage cleaning company was engaged to clean up the theatre as we have a show opening May 5th. Unfortunately, no one communicated with the cleaning company that the walls, ceiling and fire curtain of the theatre are all made of asbestos. Air quality inspectors came in to take tests while the cleaning company was assiduously scrubbing the asbestos-tiled acoustical walls. As a result, along with a variety of other fire-related contaminants, air quality test results came back with asbestos contamination spiking off the charts, turning my theatre into an asbestos hot-zone. Now, during April vacation week, my theatre is sealed in plastic, a haz-mat team has come in with staging, HEPA-filtration systems, vacuums, a variety of cleaning chemicals and the theatre is being cleaned from ceiling to floor by men in protection suits. Even today, I had to remind a cleaning team to leave the asbestos fire curtain alone, per order of OSHA (a standing order, in opposition to the orders of the local fire marshal who wants the curtain tested annually!). How's THAT for trying to prep for a show with just a week-and-a-half (from the ESTIMATED date we are allowed back in the space) to build a set from scratch with a mix of high school techs and tech alumni from various area college theatre programs before it opens. Joe Ferreira Joseph J. Ferreira, Jr. Department of Social Studies Director, KP Drama & GAPS King Philip Regional High School 201 Franklin Street Wrentham, MA 02093 Web page: http://fac.kingphilip.org/~ferreiraj/ E-mail: ferreiraj [at] kingphilip.org ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <41051e6df528c3fe2e7d3473ff1c0161 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Pope Smoke Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 08:51:41 -0700 Will someone hi-tail it to Rome to get this Pope Smoke thing right. FOX News seems to think that is the biggest crisis affecting the world right now. (ducking from lightning) Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <156.4f6df72b.2f9683a1 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:54:09 EDT Subject: Re: Pope Smoke In a message dated 4/19/05 11:52:24 AM, marko [at] email.arizona.edu writes: << Will someone hi-tail it to Rome to get this Pope Smoke thing right. FOX News seems to think that is the biggest crisis affecting the world right now. >> that's what you get for watching FOX NEWS, , , I bet if they elect a third world pope FOX will claim it's a "left wing conspiracy" whooops, , , , should NEVER discuss religon and / or politics, , my bad, , very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:59:44 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Pope Smoke Message-id: <42652AF0.C1A80370 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: IAEG [at] aol.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > that's what you get for watching FOX NEWS, , , > > I bet if they elect a third world pope FOX will claim it's a "left wing > conspiracy" Well, they're lobbying the White House to replace Air Force One. They're in favor of a plane with two right wings, obviously. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4264E694.8670.30E555 [at] localhost> From: "Michael Denison" Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:08:04 -0500 Subject: Re: pregnancy suit Reply-To: In-Reply-To: Check with your local high school. Some of them have pregnancy suits for sex education classes. They may not let you borrow them, because they're included in some sort of program the school subscribes to, but they may let you inspect it. Some are quite sophisticated, including little weights on chains than swing around inside to simulate the baby's kicking. > Anyone have a plan for a pregnancy suit? My wife is costuming a show and needs to make one quickly. Michael A. Denison Technical Director Cottey College 1000 West Austin Nevada, MO 64772 (417) 667-8181 x 2265 FAX: (417) 667-8103 mdenison [at] cottey.edu www.cottey.edu ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "C. Andrew Dunning" Subject: RE: Pope Smoke Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:08:58 -0500 Organization: Landru Design In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >Will someone hi-tail it to Rome to get this Pope Smoke thing right. From what ABC was saying last night and this morning, the Vatican has hired theatrical consultants to help w. the smoke color. >FOX News seems to think that is the biggest crisis affecting >the world right now. Same w. ABC... C. Andrew Dunning Landru Design - Nashville, TN - cad [at] landrudesign.com www.landrudesign.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050419161908.75539.qmail [at] web50601.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 09:19:08 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: presidium Stage In-Reply-To: The Presidium Stage is under Vladimer Putan's feet. I Suppose it could be when the Russian Federation meets to govern. IE: "The Russian Federation is in the presidium stage." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:52:54 -0400 Subject: Re: pregnancy suit From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: on 4/19/05 12:08 PM, Michael Denison at mdenison [at] cottey.edu wrote: > Check with your local high school. Some of them have pregnancy > suits for sex education classes. They may not let you borrow > them, because they're included in some sort of program the school > subscribes to, but they may let you inspect it. Some are quite > sophisticated, including little weights on chains than swing around > inside to simulate the baby's kicking. They need a certified rigger for that? <> Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:54:04 -0400 From: Brian Munroe Reply-To: Brian Munroe Subject: Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville In-Reply-To: References: On 4/19/05, Fred Schoening wrote: > - Remember, there's a chance that someone in your shop is color blind. > Line weights and types are important! Color is a wonderful thing, but > don't rely on it exclusively to impart important information. A pretty good chance, in fact. I wish more people that design stuff would remember this. The number of computer games I can't play and web sites that I can't read is astounding. Whoever thinks that pastel colored text on a blue background is cute should be shot. The only way I can read some websites (blogs and personal sites, mostly) is to highlight the text, so it changes color. Have some consideration for us color challenged types, please. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <158.4f25cff2.2f969654 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:13:56 EDT Subject: Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story In a message dated 19/04/05 16:37:22 GMT Daylight Time, ferreiraj [at] kingphilip.org writes: > Even today, I had to remind a cleaning team to leave the > asbestos fire curtain alone, per order of OSHA (a standing order, in > opposition to the orders of the local fire marshal who wants the curtain > tested annually!). Annually! It is usually a requirement of the theatre licence in the UK that the fire curtain is lowered during every performance, in the presence of the audience. This is normally done in the interval, when they are mostly in the bar, but enough hardy souls remain to clasify as an 'audience'. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scheu Consulting Services" Subject: RE: pregnancy suit Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:19:41 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <000601c54503$f9028ec0$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-reply-to: >> Some are quite sophisticated, including >> little weights on chains than swing around inside to simulate the >> baby's kicking. > > >They need a certified rigger for that? ><> > >Bill S. Well, you did say the ETCP was starting with baby steps... ;-) Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:27:54 EDT Subject: Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville In a message dated 19/04/05 17:54:38 GMT Daylight Time, bpmunroe [at] gmail.com writes: > A pretty good chance, in fact. I wish more people that design stuff > would remember this. The number of computer games I can't play and > web sites that I can't read is astounding. Whoever thinks that pastel > colored text on a blue background is cute should be shot. Some are hard enough to read with normal colour vision. Contrast is the name of the game. Contrast in brightness, as well as in colour. Complementary colours usually work. Yellow on blue, cyan on red. I'm not sure about the other pair: Green on magenta, or vice versa might be difficult. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scheu Consulting Services" Subject: RE: Sharing a fire clean-up story Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:30:30 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <000b01c54505$7c5b2bf0$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-reply-to: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > Annually! It is usually a requirement of the theatre licence >in the UK that >the fire curtain is lowered during every performance, in the >presence of the >audience. What is being tested by OSHA is not the operation, but whether or not asbestos fibers are being released. In the US, OSHA has no jurisdiction or requirements regarding the operation of fire curtains. They are concerned about the mitigation of hazardous conditions (i.e. toxic substances) in the workplace. Any workplace, not just theatres. BTW - The US has no such tradition of lowering the curtain before performances as in the UK, though model US codes now require that the curtain remain down/closed when the theatre is not being used. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:25:15 -0400 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story In-reply-to: Message-id: <47954d66f963eb9295253427517a5468 [at] appstate.edu> References: On Apr 19, 2005, at 1:13 PM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 19/04/05 16:37:22 GMT Daylight Time, > ferreiraj [at] kingphilip.org writes: > >> Even today, I had to remind a cleaning team to leave the >> asbestos fire curtain alone, per order of OSHA (a standing order, in >> opposition to the orders of the local fire marshal who wants the >> curtain >> tested annually!). > > Annually! It is usually a requirement of the theatre licence in the > UK that > the fire curtain is lowered during every performance, in the presence > of the > audience. Must be hell on them when the curtain consists of a deluge system, eh Frank? They'll either get soaked in the bar, or soaked in their seats. Geez, that's a tough rule. -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University ------We're at it again!!!------ Check out the Long Reach Long Riders cross country fund raiser for BC/EFA at http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <30.70e0b0cd.2f96a62c [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:21:32 EDT Subject: Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story In a message dated 19/04/05 18:34:52 GMT Daylight Time, gwilliams [at] appstate.edu writes: > Must be hell on them when the curtain consists of a deluge system, eh > Frank? They'll either get soaked in the bar, or soaked in their seats. > > Geez, that's a tough rule. We don't go in for deluges, over here. Just physical barriers, and ventilation systems. A serious fire on stage will drop the fire curtain, and open roof vents above the stage. While this will make sure that the stage area turns into a furnace, it also keeps smoke and heat out of the auditorium, and allows time to evacuate the audience in an orderly way. This is what it is there for, to buy time. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:45:53 -0400 From: Steve Boone Subject: South Pacific props Hi all, I'm doing South Pacific in late June. Does anybody anywhere hear northwest Ohio have any of the WWII radio gear, or the military map or any other set prop items from the show? Reply off-list if you prefer: sboone [at] bgsu.edu TIA Steve Boone, scene designer this time Bowling Green State University ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050419184755.18667.qmail [at] web52009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:47:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville Cc: bpmunroe [at] gmail.com (Brian Munroe) In-Reply-To: 6667 --- Brian Munroe wrote: > I wish more people that design stuff > would remember this. The number of computer games I > can't play and > web sites that I can't read is astounding. Whoever > thinks that pastel > colored text on a blue background is cute should be > shot. I look at lots of web sites almost every day as part of my job. Anything with a black background is diffifult, especially the ones who think __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Plan great trips with Yahoo! Travel: Now over 17,000 guides! http://travel.yahoo.com/p-travelguide ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050419185210.76346.qmail [at] web52008.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:52:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville In-Reply-To: 6667 (Sorry--my computer appears to be possessed.) --- Brian Munroe wrote: > I wish more people that design stuff > would remember this. The number of computer games > I can't play and web sites that I can't read is > astounding. Whoever thinks that pastel > colored text on a blue background is cute should > be shot. I see lots of web sites almost every day as part of my job. Anything with a black background is diffifult, especially the ones who choose small, ornate type. You'd think that financial services firms would want to make things as easy for their customers as possible. Jacki __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <426556A6.2010706 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:06:14 -0400 From: Barney Simon Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co. Inc. Subject: OT - Toll free numbers References: In-Reply-To: Hi all... Business question for customers and fellow vendors. I'm looking to increase my business coverage.... right now I am too dependent upon fluctuation in the NYC economy and productions (plus I do want to grow). How important is having a toll free number to call in (Shell Dalzel in HI will say very [Aloha, Shell])? I'm torn between both very and not very... I do not want to slow potential customers down, but I just use my cell phone that has a long distance plan and my office too has an unlimited long distance plan. Any thoughts and opinions? Will you be more inclined to call someone with a toll free number? -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes Drops and Dance Floors 423 West 43rd Street, NYC 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189 JCHansen.com ------------------------------ Subject: Stage Weaponry Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:07:33 -0400 Message-ID: <89DE71075FCD6E44A4D117FBFBBD801C09F9B3A7 [at] fangorn.cc.vt.edu> From: "James, Brian" Does anybody know a good supplier for stage fire arms? Please feel free = to contact me off list if you would like. (bej [at] vt.edu). ------------------------------ Subject: RE: OT - Toll free numbers Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:11:35 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B7323A69 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" >Any thoughts and opinions? Will you be more inclined to call someone=20 >with a toll free number? *Hell* yes. And I wouldn't even consider someone without a decent WWW = presence. Cheers, -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <77fad327050419121925e661d1 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:19:01 -0400 From: Nathan Kahn Reply-To: Nathan Kahn Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers In-Reply-To: References: On 4/19/05, Barney Simon wrote: > How important is having a toll free number to call in > (Shell Dalzel in HI will say very [Aloha, Shell])? Speaking as a businessowner, it's my experience that a customer will call a company with a toll-free number before they'll call a company without one. Even with today's low calling costs it seems to remain true - there must be something psychological about it. So if you want to be the company they call first, rather than after they've found that the company with the 800# doesn't have what they want, you'll want a toll-free number. The fact that they're so darn cheap nowadays (I think I pay $5/month and 5 cents/minute) makes it an easier decision. My 2 cents, Nathan Kahn Look Solutions USA, Ltd. 114 W. Third St. Waynesboro, PA 17268 Toll-Free: 1-800-426-4189 Phone: 1-717-762-7490 Fax: 1-717-762-7366 Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com Web: www.looksolutions.com and www.fogspecs.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Cc: barney [at] JosephCHansen.com ('Barney Simon') Subject: RE: OT - Toll free numbers Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:22:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: Barney Simon wrote: I'm looking to increase my business coverage.... right now I am too dependent upon fluctuation in the NYC economy and productions (plus I do want to grow). How important is having a toll free number to call in (Shell Dalzel in HI will say very [Aloha, Shell])? I'm torn between both very and not very... I do not want to slow potential customers down, but I just use my cell phone that has a long distance plan and my office too has an unlimited long distance plan. Any thoughts and opinions? Will you be more inclined to call someone with a toll free number? -- Barney, Yes, I would call someone with a toll free number first. I think that it is in our nature to save money. You can always have it forwarded to a cell and/or different phone. What are plans like these days? I also think that it should be for your entire market, i.e. include Canada if you want work from there, etc. When I worked for a dealer, it was one of the strongest sales and marketing items that I fought for and put it on everything, catalog, web, letterhead, business cards, etc. HTH, Michael Eddy Eddy Marketing & Consulting ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: Cannon Fodder Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:24:21 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Right - here's a question aimed mainly at the UK side of the pond, but feel free to chip in from left-side. I'm considering building two ship's cannons for the next major panto in January (Robinson Crusoe) and am looking for suitable pipe on which to base the barrel. The catch is that I also want to construct them to allow the use of a small pyro charge at the rear of the barrel to give us a bit of a smoky discharge! I intend to construct a custom-made charge to achieve this. Now, before anyone jumps in, please don't flame me with cautionary tales of why you may think this is a potentially unsafe idea - I have been working safely with pyro for 23 years, both using commercial pots and making my own. I am fully cognisant of the need to ensure safety at ALL times and thecannon will be rigorously tested beforehand to ensure that any physical discharge is prevented - all we get is smoke. There will be a mesh insert near the far end of the tube to prevent that, and some way of vacating the pipe post-show to empty the detritus that may gather within. So - anti-flame posting done, my questions are: I need a suitable lightweight metal (or other non-flamable) tube/pipe to form the main barrel; Obviously I need a source. I then need similarly non-flamable material with which to build that barrel up to resemle the proper shape for a cannon. For this I'm considering using something like plaster of paris & bandages (as you would plaster a broken limb) or a product I've heard of being used at schools which is similar in construct - Mod Rock...? Any ideas? Is plastered bandage actually FR? Weight is not a huge problem for the pipe, although cutting it may be if it's a thick-walled drain pipe, for example!It will need to LOOK heavy, to look rigt anyway, though the crew (stage, not ship's!) will of course need to shift them! No problems with the cannon bases - I already have that figured out in general. So - over to you, chaps! Ynot ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:21:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Barney Simon wrote: > Any thoughts and opinions? Will you be more inclined to call someone with a > toll free number? Personally I find this a non-issue these days since long distance have become so inexpensive. It used to be more of a big deal for me, but anymore I don't even think twice about it. I rarely use the minimum allowance on my cell plan. But it might be an issue for someone calling through private systems (universities?) which require access codes for long distance calls. But whatever you do, DON'T advertise some number like "1 800 J HANSEN"... I *hate* those gimmicks ;-) Remember that Russian comic... Yakov Smirnov I think? That was one of his routines: "I heard that if you called 800 numbers it would be free. So I stayed up all night calling everyone I knew until I reached 800. But when the bill came it wasn't free, it was thousands of dollars!" | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42655CC2.1080606 [at] peak.org> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:32:18 -0700 From: Pat Kight Cc: bpmunroe [at] gmail.com (Brian Munroe) Subject: Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville References: In-Reply-To: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell wrote: >> I wish more people that design stuff >>would remember this. The number of computer games I >>can't play and >>web sites that I can't read is astounding. Whoever >>thinks that pastel >>colored text on a blue background is cute should be >>shot. > I look at lots of web sites almost every day as part > of my job. Anything with a black background is > diffifult, especially the ones who think Check your browser preferences. You should be able to set them so that your own background and text color preferences (and font sizes, for that matter) override those of the Web sites you visit. In recent versions of IE, you can find this feature under Tools>Internet Options>Accessibility; in better browsers look under Edit>Preferences. You'll still have trouble with sites in which the designers use graphical images as their backgrounds. For those, you can turn off graphics if the content is important enough. If you want to be even more proactive, take screenshots of some of the worst offending sites with all the bells and whistled turned off and e-mail them to the Webmaster with a note saying "this is how your site looks to me, because the way you designed it is IMPOSSIBLE TO READ. Hope this helps. Have a nice day." (-: -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42655D92.3090700 [at] att.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:35:46 -0400 From: David Marks Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers References: In-Reply-To: Barney Simon wrote: > How important is having a toll free number to call in? My business requirements are so time driven that dailing a "non" 800 number means nothing. When we are in full production, the phone bill is the last thing we think about. Personally I think an 800 number helps you because it reduces the phone number down to 7 digits which makes it easier to remember and easier to dial. But that's just me. Dave Marks ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Cannon Fodder Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 12:45:23 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B7323A6A [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" >I'm considering building two ship's cannons >The catch is that I also want to construct them to allow the use of a = small >pyro charge at the rear of the barrel to give us a bit of a smoky = discharge! I saw this done a few years ago for some ballet or other (maybe the = Nutbuster?) and they used sonotubing with a thin bit o' latex (think = "balloon") stretched over one end, and, IIRC, talcum powder inside. On the cannon Q, the "gunner" would stretch out the latex and allow it = to snap back. The resulting rush of air produced a quite satisfactory = puff of "smoke". The timpanist in the orchestra pit provided the = "boom". I remember wondering at the time if it would be possible to rig = it to blow smoke rings... HTH, Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:50:54 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Barney Simon wrote: > Any thoughts and opinions? Will you be more inclined to call someone with a > toll free number? It's kind of funny that I was actually interrupted just as I started to respond to this the first time.... .....by a call on our 800 number which goes to my cell phone and I am currently in London.... ;-) But it resulted in a $1600 sale that would not have been made otherwise -- so it cost a few bucks but was well worth it! Charlie + ----- Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd ----- + + ---------- http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com ---------- + + ------------ "Performance for the Long Run" ------------ + ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:02:33 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1376805098.20050419150233 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: South Pacific props In-Reply-To: References: Hello ! Tuesday, April 19, 2005, Steve Boone wrote: > Does anybody anywhere hear northwest Ohio have any of the WWII radio > gear One of these days, that old and mouldy stuff down in the basement just won't be rentable any more. I sure hope you don't want working gear! PS..It also works for Teahouse of the August Moon...lol Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42656552.D228A358 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:08:50 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers References: Boyd Ostroff wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Barney Simon wrote: > > > Any thoughts and opinions? Will you be more inclined to call someone with a > > toll free number? > > Personally I find this a non-issue these days since long distance have > become so inexpensive. It used to be more of a big deal for me, but > anymore I don't even think twice about it. I rarely use the minimum > allowance on my cell plan. > > But it might be an issue for someone calling through private systems > (universities?) which require access codes for long distance calls. But > whatever you do, DON'T advertise some number like "1 800 J HANSEN"... I > *hate* those gimmicks ;-) Also, in your ads and business cards, print your regular phone number. Folks from overseas cannot dial an 800 number. Many US businesses have lost out when all they put in their ad was an 800 number. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42656684.68C7BF3F [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:13:56 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: South Pacific props References: "Frank E. Merrill" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello ! > > Tuesday, April 19, 2005, Steve Boone wrote: > > > Does anybody anywhere hear northwest Ohio have any of the WWII radio > > gear > > One of these days, that old and mouldy stuff down in the basement just > won't be rentable any more. > > I sure hope you don't want working gear! > > PS..It also works for Teahouse of the August Moon...lol You can also see if you can find your local WW2 reenactor group. One fellow I met once had not only a sherman tank, but also a T38 and was working on getting a panzer II. Talk about expensive hobbies. --Dale ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scheu Consulting Services" Subject: US vs. UK Fire Curtains (was RE: Sharing a fire clean-up story) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:12:29 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <000d01c5451c$1d3858c0$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-reply-to: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: >We don't go in for deluges, over here. Just physical barriers, and=20 >ventilation systems. A serious fire on stage will drop the=20 >fire curtain, and open roof=20 >vents above the stage. While this will make sure that the=20 >stage area turns into=20 >a furnace, it also keeps smoke and heat out of the auditorium,=20 >and allows=20 >time to evacuate the audience in an orderly way. This is what=20 >it is there for, to=20 >buy time. Boy, I could go on for HOURS on this topic... By way of full disclosure, = I sit on the ESTA task group formulating an ANSI recognized Fire Safety Curtain standard. The philosophies of the US and UK approach to fire safety curtains are somewhat different. In the UK (I believe), not every "theatre" has to = have a fire curtain. Just in what we would might commonly call a "legitimate" theatre (i.e. in a Performing Arts Center, professional theatre or a = typical road house). Most "curtains" in the UK (and Europe) are metal clad fabrications, not the "wimpy" fabric types we typically see on this side = of the pond. Here in the US, fire safety curtains have been typically required (by = local jurisdictions) for ANY stage, even tiny ones in elementary schools and "cafetoriums". And it used to be that the curtain was expected to make a "seal" against the proscenium wall, sealing off the audience chamber. However, there never has been any modeling or full scale testing to = prove that is what really happens with a fire on stage, or if it is even desirable. The emphasis these days in US building life safety design (and the goal = of many firefighting organizations) seems to be on fire suppression and = smoke control. In new construction and renovations, stages are now fully = sprinkled and have more sophisticated smoke handling equipment. I'm willing to bet that as the years go by, we'll see fewer, if any, fire curtains = installed on stages that have less than 50 feet of height as AHJ's become better = educated about what the model codes REALLY intend. In it's most current form, the ESTA draft standard recognizes this, and = has put much less emphasis on keeping "smoke and heat out of the = auditorium". That's really the job of the smoke vents. The theory being that the = pressure plane during a fire will be up in the top 1/2 of the stage house. The = fire curtain will serve to limit the amount of fresh air feeding the fire = from the house/audience side, but still allow enough airflow to draft the = smoke up and out of the roof vents.. At the same time, sprinklers will do what they do best and put out the fire. And I'm not convinced that the curtain is there "to buy time". If = anything, it's there to "save time" in putting out the fire. Not to "make sure = that the stage area turns into a furnace" as Frank so delicately puts it. I'm rambling... The 2nd draft of the standard will be coming out for = public review very shortly. The geeks among us will find it an interesting = read. I encourage you to do so and make comments in the public review forum. We REALLY need the input. OK, start a new thread if you want... I'm ready. And I'm sure Bill = Conner will be, too, as he's also on our task group and ESTA's representative = to the NFPA. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:22:52 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Dale Farmer wrote: > number. Folks from overseas cannot dial an 800 number. Many US This is not strictly true now and even phone cards can access 800 numbers from overseas. In fact, SIP-based VOIP networks generally allow free calls to toll-free numbers around the world now... Technology marches on! Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" Subject: RE: OT - Toll free numbers Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:38:12 -0400 A lot of Universities require a long distance code number in order to dial a non 800 long distance call. The students need this access if they don't have the code number. Yes some use their cell phones but many do not have free long distance during the day. Steve Waxler Technical Director College Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati waxlers [at] uc.edu http://www.ccm.uc.edu/tdp/ 513 556-3709 -----Original Message----- From: Michael S. Eddy [mailto:mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:22 PM To: Stagecraft Cc: barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Barney Simon wrote: I'm looking to increase my business coverage.... right now I am too dependent upon fluctuation in the NYC economy and productions (plus I do want to grow). How important is having a toll free number to call in (Shell Dalzel in HI will say very [Aloha, Shell])? I'm torn between both very and not very... I do not want to slow potential customers down, but I just use my cell phone that has a long distance plan and my office too has an unlimited long distance plan. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: South Pacific props Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:47:06 -0400 Message-ID: <2175145D8764B145B932DA9D45DE6C48899AC3 [at] FACSTAFF.facultystaff.eku.edu> From: "Johnson, Keith" When we did it a few years ago, an army/navy surplus store was a = goldmine!!! Ammo boxes, tents, lots of goodies with fair prices!! Keith W. Johnson Associate Professor Designer/Technical Director EKU Theatre 306 Campbell Bldg. Eastern Kentucky University 521 Lancaster Ave. Richmond, KY 40475 phone:=A0859-622-1321 email: keith.johnson [at] eku.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve = Boone Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:46 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: South Pacific props For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hi all, I'm doing South Pacific in late June. Does anybody anywhere=20 hear northwest Ohio have any of the WWII radio gear, or the military=20 map or any other set prop items from the show? Reply off-list if you prefer: sboone [at] bgsu.edu TIA Steve Boone, scene designer this time Bowling Green State University ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:21:08 -0400 From: Colin Koffel Subject: U2 Playstation Light Control Message-id: First they took over the iPod, now the Playstation? The "Unofficial Blog of the 2005 U2 Vertigo Tour," has some interesting news: "Factoid: The entire US$50Million stage lighting system for the Vertigo Tour is controlled via a Playstation video game control." There isn't much else on the site: http://vertiblog.blogspot.com/2005/04/we-wonder-if-it-has-force- feedback.html . I thought y'all might appreciate this--I'm going to try to get a PS2 in next year's budget. ;) Colin Koffel ------------------------------ Message-ID: <426579DC.1A100CED [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:36:28 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Cannon Fodder References: Tony Deeming wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Right - here's a question aimed mainly at the UK side of the pond, but feel > free to chip in from left-side. > > I'm considering building two ship's cannons for the next major panto in > January (Robinson Crusoe) and am looking for suitable pipe on which to base > the barrel. > > The catch is that I also want to construct them to allow the use of a small > pyro charge at the rear of the barrel to give us a bit of a smoky discharge! > I intend to construct a custom-made charge to achieve this. > > Now, before anyone jumps in, please don't flame me with cautionary tales of > why you may think this is a potentially unsafe idea - I have been working > safely with pyro for 23 years, both using commercial pots and making my own. > I am fully cognisant of the need to ensure safety at ALL times and thecannon > will be rigorously tested beforehand to ensure that any physical discharge > is prevented - all we get is smoke. There will be a mesh insert near the far > end of the tube to prevent that, and some way of vacating the pipe post-show > to empty the detritus that may gather within. > > So - anti-flame posting done, my questions are: > > I need a suitable lightweight metal (or other non-flamable) tube/pipe to > form the main barrel; Obviously I need a source. > I then need similarly non-flamable material with which to build that barrel > up to resemle the proper shape for a cannon. For this I'm considering using > something like plaster of paris & bandages (as you would plaster a broken > limb) or a product I've heard of being used at schools which is similar in > construct - Mod Rock...? Any ideas? Is plastered bandage actually FR? For the actual barrel, I'd go with schedule 40 steel pipe. This is your usual heavy black iron sewer pipe. Wrapping it in plaster of paris would be *very* heavy. May try including some voids internally to lighten it, those long thin balloons that they use for making balloon animals at fairs would be worth a try. Or maybe just turn a shell out of wood to go over the pipe, if you have a large enough lathe available. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <486dbc51050419143520eb8afc [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:35:50 -0400 From: Ben Reply-To: Ben Subject: Re: Stage Weaponry In-Reply-To: References: I've always had good luck with Weapons of Choice in California. http://weaponsofchoicetheatrical.com/ good luck -ben ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050419214003.20530.qmail [at] web61310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:40:03 -0700 (PDT) From: stage craft Subject: Re: U2 Playstation Light Control In-Reply-To: 6667 I saw that on VH1's piece on U2 and their upcoming tour... Anyone have more info??? -alex- --- Colin Koffel wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > First they took over the iPod, now the Playstation? > The "Unofficial > Blog of the 2005 U2 Vertigo Tour," has some > interesting news: > > "Factoid: The entire US$50Million stage lighting > system for the Vertigo > Tour is controlled via a Playstation video game > control." > > There isn't much else on the site: > http://vertiblog.blogspot.com/2005/04/we-wonder-if-it-has-force- > > feedback.html . I thought y'all might appreciate > this--I'm going to try > to get a PS2 in next year's budget. ;) > > Colin Koffel > > -alex- Alex M. Postpischil, Technical Director Department of Theatre Arts University of Mississippi University, MS 38677 662.915.6993 662.915.5968 - fax __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:45:03 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: U2 Playstation Light Control In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, stage craft wrote: > I saw that on VH1's piece on U2 and their upcoming > tour... Anyone have more info??? They are probably just using the 'fire' button as a Go switch. This is quite common in PC show control implementations. Charlie ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:08:51 EDT Subject: Re: Cannon Fodder In a message dated 19/04/05 20:25:07 GMT Daylight Time, deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: > I need a suitable lightweight metal (or other non-flamable) tube/pipe to > form the main barrel; Obviously I need a source. > I then need similarly non-flamable material with which to build that barrel > up to resemle the proper shape for a cannon. For this I'm considering using > something like plaster of paris & bandages (as you would plaster a broken > limb) or a product I've heard of being used at schools which is similar in > construct - Mod Rock...? Any ideas? Is plastered bandage actually FR? It's not lightweight, but I should think that old-fashioned cast-iron drainpipe would serve. You should find it on demolition sites, or maybe with a scrap metal dealer. Your idea for modifying its external profile seems good to me. I see no fire hazard there. You will, of course, have to design some sort of a breech to allow you to load it. I don't know what your pyros are like, but I imagine that a piece of 1'4" steel plate, welded on the breech end, would be a good starting point. Welding to cast iron can be a bit tricky, and you may have to use what is called a 'buttering coat' of some metal which will weld to cast iron first. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050419171304.01cac178 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:16:22 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story In-Reply-To: References: This caught my attention: how is it that OSHA trumps the Fire Marshal? Isn't this putting the welfare of a few (workers) ahead of the life-safety of a few hundred (audience members)? Also, the fire marshal allows the theatre to keep its Certificate of Occupancy without an annual test of the curtain? Mike At 10:36 AM 4/19/2005, H-High-S (Ferreira, Jr.) wrote: >protection suits. Even today, I had to remind a cleaning team to leave >the asbestos fire curtain alone, per order of OSHA (a standing order, in >opposition to the orders of the local fire marshal who wants the curtain >tested annually!). How's THAT for ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4265833B.5080407 [at] northnet.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:16:27 -0500 From: Shawn Palmer Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers References: In-Reply-To: > Hi all... Business question for customers and fellow vendors. > > I'm looking to increase my business coverage.... right now I am too > dependent upon fluctuation in the NYC economy and productions (plus I do > want to grow). How important is having a toll free number to call in > (Shell Dalzel in HI will say very [Aloha, Shell])? I'm torn between > both very and not very... I do not want to slow potential customers > down, but I just use my cell phone that has a long distance plan and my > office too has an unlimited long distance plan. > > Any thoughts and opinions? Will you be more inclined to call someone > with a toll free number? My 2 cents... my business phone provider includes a toll free number at no additional monthly charge. As far as "cute" phone numbers go, I didn't do that either. My toll free number is 866 + my regular phone number. It has increased our business. More hard data if you like, Barney, offline. FWIW, Shawn Palmer Neenah, WI USA ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:32:51 EDT Subject: Re: US vs. UK Fire Curtains (was RE: Sharing a fire clean-up story) In a message dated 19/04/05 21:13:19 GMT Daylight Time, peter [at] scheuconsulting.com writes: > Here in the US, fire safety curtains have been typically required (by local > jurisdictions) for ANY stage, even tiny ones in elementary schools and > "cafetoriums". And it used to be that the curtain was expected to make a > "seal" against the proscenium wall, sealing off the audience chamber. > However, there never has been any modeling or full scale testing to prove > that is what really happens with a fire on stage, or if it is even > desirable. In the UK, they are normally fitted in proscenium theatres, where the audience and stage areas are defined. In open-stage, arena, in-the-round, or adaptable houses, they are not. Thankfully, I remember no occasion when they have been tested, but the pros arch, with the curtain down, is supposed to be a half-hour firewall. > And I'm not convinced that the curtain is there "to buy time". If anything, > it's there to "save time" in putting out the fire. Not to "make sure that > the stage area turns into a furnace" as Frank so delicately puts it. I just said that it was the likely consequence of the systems we use. But I stand by what I said, that in an emergency, the prime thing is an orderly evacuation of the audience. Time is important, here. That is what the FOH staff are there for, as are the stewards in aircraft. They fill in their time by tearing tickets, and serving drinks. But their real purpose is to achieve orderly evacuations, in jig time, when it is needed. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:40:56 EDT Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers Just a question. If it's 'off topic' why dfoes half my mail consist of these messages? I can't believe that there is not somewhere more suitable to post them. I don't know where, I don't care where. But, get them off the stagecraft list! Frank Wood ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" Subject: RE: OT - Toll free numbers Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:51:27 -0400 Organization: Home of the RC4 Wireless Dimmer System In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050419225130.UUGW27737.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> It's very difficult to get an 800 number today, because of demand. That's why there are 877, 866, etc. This makes things a little harder to remember, I would guess. Jim www.theatrewireless.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf > Of David Marks > Sent: April 19, 2005 3:36 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Barney Simon wrote: > > > How important is having a toll free number to call in? > > > My business requirements are so time driven that dailing a > "non" 800 number means nothing. > When we are in full production, the phone bill is the last > thing we think about. > Personally I think an 800 number helps you because it reduces > the phone number down to 7 digits which makes it easier to > remember and easier to dial. > But that's just me. > > > Dave Marks > > > > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "jsmith at theatrewireless.com" Subject: RE: OT - Toll free numbers Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:57:05 -0400 Organization: Home of the RC4 Wireless Dimmer System In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050419225709.YPWF28273.tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> In my opionion, the original question was a survey of the people who would be served by the toll-free number or absence thereof. I have found that general business statistics don't always apply to the theatre community. Consulting the people in the field is worthwhile. The people who are asking are reputable, no need to turn them away! Jim Www.theatrewireless.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf > Of FrankWood95 [at] aol.com > Sent: April 19, 2005 6:41 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Just a question. If it's 'off topic' why dfoes half my mail > consist of these messages? I can't believe that there is not > somewhere more suitable to post them. I don't know where, I > don't care where. But, get them off the stagecraft list! > > Frank Wood > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:08:56 -0700 Actually Frank I find it quite On Topic. Many of us spend a great deal of time looking for stuff, and making phone calls in the course of doing business. Why not use each other as a resource to help make things easier for everyone? Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Apr 19, 2005, at 3:40 PM, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Just a question. If it's 'off topic' why dfoes half my mail consist of > these > messages? I can't believe that there is not somewhere more suitable to > post > them. I don't know where, I don't care where. But, get them off the > stagecraft > list! > > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050419162323.03cdc300 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:26:30 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville In-Reply-To: References: At 09:54 AM 4/19/2005, you wrote: >Have some consideration for us color challenged types, please. After having worked with a color blind engineer (you could TELL when he got resistors out of the stock room), I always try to make my designs work in monochrome, even if I do have color on them. Things like multiple LEDs instead of one multi-color one (or maybe blink it for RED, steady for GREEN). I also try to consider left and right handers. I was just at a client's showing them how to use our DMX demo software and their mouse was set up with reversed buttons. Took me a while, but I got through the explanation without making TOO many mistakes. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050419164636.03cd9708 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:48:45 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville In-Reply-To: References: At 11:52 AM 4/19/2005, you wrote: >I see lots of web sites almost every day as part >of my job. Anything with a black background is >diffifult, especially the ones who choose small, >ornate type. You'd think that financial services >firms would want to make things as easy for their >customers as possible. Try our collection agency: http://www.stacollect.com They resize your browser and have VERRRRRRY slow Flash graphics on it. I gripe every time I talk to them (thankfully not that often). They said someone in the UK made the page and thinks it's great. It also doesn't work with Flash disabled (I use TurnFlash to disable Flash unless I really need it). ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050419170600.03cdbaa0 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:08:01 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers In-Reply-To: References: At 12:50 PM 4/19/2005, you wrote: >.....by a call on our 800 number which goes to my cell phone and I am >currently in London.... ;-) But it resulted in a $1600 sale that would >not have been made otherwise -- so it cost a few bucks but was well worth it! Ok, you convinced me. In 24 hours we'll have a toll-free number. Rates are sure better than I remember, $0.00 per month and 5.5 cents/minute. The number will be 866-356-3886 (just like our office number, but with the 866 area code). ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: RE: OT - Toll free numbers Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:16:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: At 12:50 PM 4/19/2005, Jerry Durand wrote: Ok, you convinced me. In 24 hours we'll have a toll-free number. Rates are sure better than I remember, $0.00 per month and 5.5 cents/minute. The number will be 866-356-3886 (just like our office number, but with the 866 area code). Congrats Jerry. I don't know if this applies to all 800 numbers, but with 877 numbers you can have multiple offices and when the person dials your 877 number it detects their area code and directs the customer to the closest office. Barbizon just added this feature. Pretty cool, and while not all of us have multiple offices, it is good to have a goal! Michael Eddy Eddy Marketing & Consulting ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <3D043F51-B132-11D9-B3E8-000393BB489C [at] ucla.edu> Cc: boothd [at] ncarts.edu From: Samuel Jones Subject: Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:22:11 -0700 On Apr 18, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Booth, Dennis wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20 > > --------------------------------------------------- > > It looks like I will be chairing a session at USITT Louisville on=20 > "Advanced CAD Tips". This is a session topic that was kicked around at=20= > the Technical Production Commission meeting in Toronto, and we hope=20 > will prove to be very interesting. > =A0 > I'm looking for some thoughts from this list as to specific "CAD Tips"=20= > and practical problems/solutions to focus on, and also for interested=20= > panelists. =A0Please contact me off-list if you've got ideas or would=20= > like to participate. > =A0 > How's that for opening a can o' worms? > =A0 > Thanks in advance, > =A0 > DGB Can of worms? Perhaps an overwhelming flood of choices. You might=20 want to narrow this down a little. I could fill an hour with=20 VectorWorks and light plots. I wouldn't be saying anything about=20 visualization, 3D Sets, 3D preparation for light plot sections, or=20 truss, or sound, etc, and nothing about ACAD. Did the Technical=20 Production Commission discuss possible topics. How detailed? For=20 example, there are tricks to preparing the display of text in different=20= scales when that text is connected to symbols(VW) or blocks(ACAD). Not=20= all tricks are available between programs. You can do a lot of nifty=20 things with classes in VW that are not available in ACAD, and=20 multi-file referencing is more flexible (maybe powerful) in ACAD. The=20= more I think about it, you might want to divide the session to address=20= VW Tips and ACAD Tips. If you don't divide the session, you might want=20= to talk about desireable practices with CAD instead of advanced tips. =20= I'm sure we can find examples of light plots both good and bad, explain=20= which is which, and what was caused by bad or good CAD practice. I=20 hope the same might be true of sets, but I don't draft sets, or enough=20= to contribute to that part. I understand that the more focus you give=20= to the topic the more you reduce potential interest and attendance, but=20= I think lack of focus might also have the same effect. CAD as a topic=20= is huge, and so is advanced CAD. How does Stan Pressner use CAD to=20 manage the Lincoln Center Festival as lighting director, How does=20 Steve Shelley manage the Spoleto Festival, Clifton Taylor the touring=20 repertory of the dance companies he designs for. Each of these do=20 things differently to solve the problems of Festival and Repertory, and=20= have very particular (and nifty) tricks and protocols to do what they=20 do. They could fill a session by themselves and run out of time, but=20 they should be of interest to anyone who had to deal with more than one=20= show at a time. I could talk about little known commands and add ons=20 for Spotlight that people should know but miss. I haven't even started=20= on adapting or converting plots from one platform to another or=20 visualization and rendering; the list goes on. Have you ever tried to=20= dimension a CAD generated light plot, 8'-5 13/16"? How does one=20 represent side booms, advantages and disadvantages? What are the=20 problems with the mirror command, and what are the options for dealing=20= with them. I don't want to start a war of CAD programs thread, but you=20= might limit a session to one program. All this and I just do light=20 plots. Good Luck and HTH, Sam Samuel L. Jones Dance Program, Theater Production Supervisor Dept. of World Arts and Cultures, UCLA Developer of AutoPlotVW and AutoPlot Tools for SpotLight. sjones [at] arts.ucla.edu ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:22:53 -0400 > It's very difficult to get an 800 number today, because of demand. > That's > why there are 877, 866, etc. This makes things a little harder to > remember, > I would guess. Are all 800 area codes toll free (for the caller)? I knew 800 and 888 but didn't know that 866 and 877 are toll free. I thought they might but never looked into it. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050419172034.03cedf40 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 17:31:21 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers In-Reply-To: References: At 05:16 PM 4/19/2005, you wrote: >when the person dials your 877 number it >detects their area code and directs the customer to the closest office. You can actually have it vary by time of day, too. AAA was an early adopter, your call for roadside help goes to the nearest garage that's open. Oh, and since they give us up to 4 numbers with no monthly charge I added my cell phone and home phone, too. I won't publish those numbers, it seems whenever I have given all three to someone they call the cell first, home second, and THEN the business (this is during the day). Of course when I'm in the office the cell isn't on me and home numbers aren't the best to call during the day. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:43:22 -0400 From: Brian Munroe Reply-To: Brian Munroe Subject: Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville In-Reply-To: References: On 4/19/05, Jerry Durand wrote: > After having worked with a color blind engineer (you could TELL when he g= ot > resistors out of the stock room), I always try to make my designs work in > monochrome, even if I do have color on them. Things like multiple LEDs > instead of one multi-color one (or maybe blink it for RED, steady for GRE= EN). Thank you very much, Jerry. I really dislike the use of the red/green led on hardware. Tech Support: "is the second light on your cable modem red or green?" Me: "Yes, it is red or green. Or possible dark yellow." I work with an automation designer who is color blind, and he does the wiring! Fortunately, he is not as color blind as I am. I recently did an automation install for the new Lincoln Center Jazz.=20 The install electricians ran all of the wiring from the motors in the auditorium ceiling to the automation control panel on stage, and all of the wires were the same color! I thought I was going a little crazy until I realized that the cables were numbered on the jacket (printed along the entire length, not just 'stickered' on the end).=20 Even so, some of the wires were miswired. Mostly "6" and "9" reversed. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000d01c54547$261fa5d0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com References: Subject: Re: US vs. UK Fire Curtains (was RE: Sharing a fire clean-up story) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:20:33 -0700 > I'm willing to bet > that as the years go by, we'll see fewer, if any, fire curtains installed > on > stages that have less than 50 feet of height as AHJ's become better > educated > about what the model codes REALLY intend. Our region allows stages with flies under 50' to be fire curtain-free. More and more schools around here are taking advantage of that, and limiting the height of their fly. This is the case of our new space, under construction. I believe the fly height is something like 49'-11". (Ok, it might be even a couple of inches under that - I don't remember.) -- Jon Ares Program Director, West Linn HS Theatre Arts www.hevanet.com/acreative www.wlhstheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <01de01c54549$bdc3ebb0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:38:16 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 3:40 PM Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Just a question. If it's 'off topic' why dfoes half my mail consist of > these > messages? I can't believe that there is not somewhere more suitable to > post > them. I don't know where, I don't care where. But, get them off the > stagecraft > list! > > Frank Wood > Half your mail is 'off-topic'? That's nothing!! Half my mail is from Frank Wood. He can't seem to let a single post go by without a reply, whether he has anything to contribute or not. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4265CB1A.9050506 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:23:06 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Panelists for USITT Louisville References: In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: > I also try to consider left and right handers. I was just at a client's > showing them how to use our DMX demo software and their mouse was set up > with reversed buttons. Took me a while, but I got through the > explanation without making TOO many mistakes. I was just fixing some burned out cordless drill switches, and seriously considered reversing the motor leads on one for my lefty buddy, but drills are catch-as-catch-can in our shop and one weirdo would create more troubles than it might solve. Stu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4265D0C0.8060703 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:47:12 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Cannon Fodder References: In-Reply-To: Storms, Randy wrote: > On the cannon Q, the "gunner" would stretch out the latex > and allow it to snap back. The resulting rush of air > produced a quite satisfactory puff of "smoke". The > timpanist in the orchestra pit provided the "boom". I > remember wondering at the time if it would be possible to > rig it to blow smoke rings... Given that dancers will trip on a shadow, the idea of a fine cloud of talcum powder over a stage screams LIABILITY!!! at me. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050420044152.10576.qmail [at] web40726.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:41:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Wych Subject: Christmas Trees For the summer the Illinois Shakespeare Festival is doing Twelfth Night. For the production, from my understanding, they need christmas trees of various sizes including one that is 12-16 feet tall. Im just a carpenter for the show so i dont know exactly what the design intails. Does anyone have any christmas trees that they would like to get rid of and are close to Normal, IL (dead center of the state). They would take some abuse since its and outdoor venue. Thanks for any help with sources. Chris Wych IL State U. Theatre Design Student a_small_idiot [at] yahoo.com ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ http://www.theatretechie.com ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050419215057.03d1e7c8 [at] localhost> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:51:37 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers In-Reply-To: References: At 05:22 PM 4/19/2005, you wrote: >Are all 800 area codes toll free (for the caller)? I knew 800 and 888 but >didn't know that 866 and 877 are toll free. I thought they might but >never looked into it. Yes, they're toll free (unless you're in a hotel or using a cell phone). ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jonathan Wills" Subject: OT - Toll free numbers Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:02:30 -0400 Organization: Wills Lighting & Stage Message-ID: <0MKyxe-1DO7M310eA-00023W [at] mrelay.perfora.net> I personally think a toll free number has greatly increased my business traffic. I have more customers from different regions that when I just had a local number. It has probably added about 1/3 to my business. Thank you, Jonathan Wills Wills Lighting and Stage www.WillsLighting.com Toll Free 866.909.4557 Local 423.559.0606 Fax 423.559.0071 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <9f3f64ec7c34ed21de2e58715eafadaf [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:16:55 -0700 On Apr 19, 2005, at 12:21 PM, Boyd Ostroff wrote: > But whatever you do, DON'T advertise some number like "1 800 J > HANSEN"... I *hate* those gimmicks ;-) Perhaps, but 1-800-THEATER has saved me from looking up the number each time! On Apr 19, 2005, at 1:08 PM, Dale Farmer wrote: > Folks from overseas cannot dial an 800 number. I've dialed 800 numbers from a variety of places in the Far East, and probably Europe. First you hear a message that the call isn't free from outside the USA, then you're connected. On Apr 19, 2005, at 5:22 PM, Greg Bierly wrote: > Are all 800 area codes toll free (for the caller)? I knew 800 and 888 > but didn't know that 866 and 877 are toll free. I thought they might > but never looked into it. Yes, all of those are toll free assuming you're in the appropriate region (some 8XX numbers only work within a particular region). When 888 and the others first came out, I had trouble using them from some phone systems until they updated their programming :-) Noah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 02:10:40 -0400 Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >> But whatever you do, DON'T advertise some number like "1 800 J >> HANSEN"... I *hate* those gimmicks ;-) > > Perhaps, but 1-800-THEATER has saved me from looking up the number each > time! We have one of those "Cute - easy to remember gimmick" numbers: (866) 355-LIVE. My boss loves it and that's the only way he'll give out the number. Personally, count me amongst the haters of those things - give me a real number every time! I agree that it does make it easier to remember, but I hate staring at the keypad trying to figure out which buttons to push! As a compromise, get an "Easy to remember" word equivalent, but list the actual number alongside of it. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:19:12 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 19 Apr 2005, Noah Price wrote: > Perhaps, but 1-800-THEATER has saved me from looking up the number each time! OMG!!! that's why I can't get you when I call 1-800-THEATRE !!! Seriously though, yesterday I had the most amazing experience! I finally installed skype (www.skype.com) because two of our best customers have been advocating that I do that and within 1/2 hour of putting a small button saying "Skype Me" next to my name on our home page, I got a skype call and was able to immediately talk to a customer in Canada for some length with excellent quality and absolutely no cost to either of us! This resulted in a probable sale of $8000 or more and was most definitely worth it!!! The fastest result I've ever had to a new sales technique.. ;-) Charlie + ----- Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design Ltd ----- + + ---------- http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com ---------- + + ------------ "Performance for the Long Run" ------------ + ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #369 *****************************