Return-Path: X-Processed-By: Virex 7 on prxy.net X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 21995548; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 03:00:59 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #373 Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 03:00:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100,RAZOR2_CHECK,URIBL_OB_SURBL,URIBL_SBL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #373 1. Re: Fire Inspectors by "Paul Guncheon" 2. Re: Fire Inspectors by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 3. Off Topic Rant by Bill Sapsis 4. Re: Fire Inspectors by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 5. Weirdest phone call while on the road... by "Thad Kramer" 6. Re: Theatre Renovation by CB 7. Re: Theatre Renovation by Boyd Ostroff 8. Re: Theatre Renovation by Dale Farmer 9. Auto Cad 2005 for $99.95 -- is this legal?? by Michael Powers 10. Re: Auto Cad 2005 for $99.95 -- is this legal?? by "rufus" 11. Re: Theatre Renovation by "Laura McMeley" 12. Re: Auto Cad 2005 for $99.95 -- is this legal?? by Nicholas Kuhl 13. Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story (and:Wierdest phonecall while on tour) by 14. Re: backstage lighting cables by Nancy Moeur 15. Corporation Search (Was Re: Auto Cad 2005 for $99.95 -- is this legal??) by Mike Brubaker 16. Re: Corporation Search (Was Re: Auto Cad 2005 for $99.95 -- is this legal??) by Nicholas Kuhl 17. Mystery fresnel and Socapex connector repair by Nancy Moeur 18. Re: Weirdest phone call while on the road... by Brian Munroe 19. Lost ticket company by "Tony Olson" 20. Re: Theatre Renovation by "C. Dopher" 21. FLK's by SB 22. Re: Mystery fresnel and Socapex connector repair by SB 23. power tools by kosteral [at] luther.edu 24. Re: Color blind operators by Mick Alderson 25. Re: Color blind operators by Mick Alderson 26. Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story (and:Wierdest phonecall while on tour) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 27. Re: OT Frank Wood by Al Fitch 28. Re: OT - Toll free numbers by Jerry Durand 29. Re: Access (was: Re: OT - Toll free numbers) by Jerry Durand 30. Re: Fire Inspectors by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 31. Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story by Dale Farmer 32. Re: backstage lighting cables by June Abernathy *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 01:49:32 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Fire Inspectors Message-id: <003701c547fa$84b6dd60$0202a8c0 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: <> Just curious... how many of you have actually gone out for "a couple of beers" with a fire inspector to discuss after an inspection. I don't know but it kind of reminds me of a line from Abby Hoffman's "Steal This Book"... "make friends with a judge". Laters, Paul "That's an ugly hippopotamus!" said Tom hypocritically. ------------------------------ From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Fire Inspectors Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 07:26:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c547ff$9c09d5d0$6500a8c0 [at] pepys> In-Reply-To: > Just curious... how many of you have actually gone out for > "a couple of beers" with a fire inspector to discuss after an inspection. Not beer, perhaps, but when I managed a theatre on a university campus, I occasionally had lunch with one of the safety officers or the electrical engineer from campus planning, and I'd ask the safety office to stop by if there was something I was unsure about. One of the best compliments I ever got was when a safety officer was giving a new hire a tour of the campus and I overheard him saying, as they were leaving my building, "You won't have to worry about these guys; they're more hard-assed than *we* are." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:43:13 -0400 Subject: Off Topic Rant From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OK. so I've been trying to find a polite way to say something but I've given up.... The Long Reach Long Riders...many of whom are contributors to this mailing list...have received donations from a bunch of companies 50 wonderful individuals. Some donations were large and some small. I thank them all for their generosity to the cause. But what about you guys? There's over 1,000 people on this list and i'm seeing very few of your names on the donor rolls. Why is that, I wonder? Think AIDS is somebody else's' problem? Don't like motorcycles? I know the ride isn't until June, but that doesn't mean you all have to wait till the last minute. Now's the time to ante up. Nickels, dimes quarters.... we don't care. It ain't like it's going into our pockets or anything. 100% of all donations go directly to Broadway cares/Equity Fights AIDS. (that's why you make the check out to them) We pay our own way on the trip. So, get on over to the website, pick a method for making a donation and do it. K? K Thanks Be well Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:12:05 GMT Subject: Re: Fire Inspectors Message-Id: <20050423.071304.10794.464268 [at] webmail12.lax.untd.com> I just give the Captain, Battalion Chief, and/or other site supervisor front row tickets so they can inspect how we are utilizing the theatre close-up under true operating conditions. It is a cost-effective way to do business. I also have been known to invite Fire Inspectors to early Production Meetings, where they are greatly outnumbered by above-the-line theatre personnel. If a 'name' actor happens to walk through and is totally unaffected by cables on the deck, for example, and then speaks some polite comment to the Fire Inspector, all the better. One more thing: I always keep current, but well-worn copies of the UBC, NEC, my MSDS binder, and municipal codes, all with obviously handmade tabs, just within eyesight of the inspector by using them to hold down the corners of the plans and plots that are printed on 'D' sheet paper. /s/ Richard Just curious... how many of you have actually gone out for "a couple of beers" with a fire inspector to discuss after an inspection. I don't know but it kind of reminds me of a line from Abby Hoffman's "Steal This Book"... "make friends with a judge". Paul ------------------------------ From: "Thad Kramer" Subject: Weirdest phone call while on the road... Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:34:12 -0400 Message-ID: I hate to start another thread like this, but I have to share this call that I got last night. I'm interested to see if anybody else has gotten any like this. So, I'm the Master Electrician with a tour of AIDA (the same one CB is on), and we're in Toledo until tomorrow. Last night after the show, a few of us were sitting in the hotel bar, and I get a phone call form my roommate in Dayton, Ohio where we live. "You won't believe this," he says, "but out apartment is on fire." Turns out the roof got struck by lightning and gave us a new sky light right over my bed. Nobody was home at the time, and from what I hear the losses are minimal. Although I think my wardrobe may have shrunk to what I have in my suitcases -- the closet was heavily damaged as well. But hey it could've been much worse. Anybody else ever get a call like this? Thad Kramer, Master Electrician, AIDA tour Based out of The Light Fantastic, Dayton, Ohio ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050423085751.00ae2d50 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:57:51 From: CB Subject: Re: Theatre Renovation > Centre Isle???? What are they thinking???? > > As for dividing the space to make for a smaller - more intimate >auditorium, we have actually started to do that for some concerts and shows >that expect small audiences. One space at a high school in Nogales, AZ (don't laugh) has a very elegant solution to this problem. At the up-house position are two round classrooms on turntables. For smaller productions and events, they rotate to become classrooms, for larger ones they open up to become part of the room. The design is so that the back wall is acoustically decent in either position, and it looks great in both as well. If your architect is serious, make him come up with something usefull. These two rooms can be used to lecture and practice a chorus, as the coustic seperation that lets them keep outside noise out during a large performace will keep inside noise in during a small one. Far more usefull than dark unused space behind a drape. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound OTR Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:11:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff Subject: Re: Theatre Renovation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 23 Apr 2005, CB wrote: > One space at a high school in Nogales, AZ (don't laugh) has a very elegant > solution to this problem. When at all possible it's nice not to depend on anything too mechanical... My first "real" job out of college was as tech supervisor for a new arts cente just opening up at a community college. There was a very attractive multi-purpose theatre with a balcony that could be converted into a lecture hall. It had a motorized partition consisting of heavy vertical wooden slats and acoustic material that fed from a big roll on the other side of the wall. There was a track at both top and bottom running across the curved balcony front, and cables pulled the partition to the other side. I thought this was *way* cool. Maybe the 4th time we used it, the partition jammed halfway across, the whole thing racked out of square and wouldn't move. All the efforts of the college's maintenance staff couldn't free it. So the architects and engineers had a look and learned that the building had settled slightly causing the bind due to lack of clearance. Somehow they cranked the thing all the way closed so classes could continue to be held in the balcony. But it was months before it could be repaired, and in the meantime we had to do shows in a 200 seat theatre instead of a 400, which disrupted the schedule for the musical. Anyway, my point is that some sort of curtain to divide the hall may not be so great acoustically or aesthetically, but it's for NASA and not you anyway. And it isn't likely to malfunction and make the theatre unusable for your shows! :-) | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <426A7573.AF43C3F6 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:18:59 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Theatre Renovation References: CB wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Centre Isle???? What are they thinking???? > > > > As for dividing the space to make for a smaller - more intimate > >auditorium, we have actually started to do that for some concerts and shows > >that expect small audiences. > > One space at a high school in Nogales, AZ (don't laugh) has a very elegant > solution to this problem. At the up-house position are two round > classrooms on turntables. For smaller productions and events, they rotate > to become classrooms, for larger ones they open up to become part of the > room. The design is so that the back wall is acoustically decent in either > position, and it looks great in both as well. If your architect is > serious, make him come up with something usefull. These two rooms can be > used to lecture and practice a chorus, as the coustic seperation that lets > them keep outside noise out during a large performace will keep inside > noise in during a small one. Far more usefull than dark unused space > behind a drape. One of my local high schools has a similar arrangement. about a 500 seat house, with an extra wide cross aisle. Folding wall partitions can come out and turn the back portion of the auditorium into a pair of small lecture halls. The folding wall has enough acoustic separation that all three spaces can be used for unamplified speakers at the same time. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <426A756D.3020801 [at] theater.umass.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:18:53 -0400 From: Michael Powers Subject: Auto Cad 2005 for $99.95 -- is this legal?? Ladies and gents, I just received an e-mail leading to the following website with a lot of software offerings. http://oemfactory.net/index.php The advertise A-Cad 2005 for $99.95 and under their FAQ section explain the price thusly: >Why is the software so inexpensive? >We offer the software for downloading only, it means that you do not receive a fancy package, a printed manual and license that actually aggregate the >largest part of the retail price. In this situation we are restricted in selling the products for private purposes only! You will not be able to get a technical >support and different rebates from the manufacturer. Updates are available for the most of our products (you may ask our support staff for the >exceptions) that make them fully functional and operating. Additionally you save the delivery cost. Does the fact that they don't give you "a printed manual and license" and "You will not be able to get a technical support.... from the manufacturer." indicate that they are selling a bootleg copy or is there a chance this is legit??? This price sounds "too good to be true", and we all know what that usually means! Any thoughts or wisdom from the list??? Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Amherst 112 FAC West Amherst, Ma. 01003 413-545-6821 Voice 413-577-0025 Fax mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu mptecdir [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200504231643.j3NGhBwJ012828 [at] ns1.ldassistant.com> From: "rufus" Subject: RE: Auto Cad 2005 for $99.95 -- is this legal?? Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:42:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: I don't think its legit stuff. I'm thinking that anyone who buy or uses it, is look for problems and maybe a visit for the BSA (Business Software Alliance). I know of one such website that was shut down and the man was sentenced to nine months in jail a few weeks ago for selling pirated copies of software. Best regards, Rufus Warren III Voice 708-499-0107 Fax Line 708-499-0046 E-Mail rufus [at] design-drafting.com Web Site www.design-drafting.com autodesk authorized developer HP developer -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Michael Powers Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 11:19 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Auto Cad 2005 for $99.95 -- is this legal?? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Ladies and gents, I just received an e-mail leading to the following website with a lot of software offerings. http://oemfactory.net/index.php The advertise A-Cad 2005 for $99.95 and under their FAQ section explain the price thusly: >Why is the software so inexpensive? >We offer the software for downloading only, it means that you do not receive a fancy package, a printed manual and license that actually aggregate the >largest part of the retail price. In this situation we are restricted in selling the products for private purposes only! You will not be able to get a technical >support and different rebates from the manufacturer. Updates are available for the most of our products (you may ask our support staff for the >exceptions) that make them fully functional and operating. Additionally you save the delivery cost. Does the fact that they don't give you "a printed manual and license" and "You will not be able to get a technical support.... from the manufacturer." indicate that they are selling a bootleg copy or is there a chance this is legit??? This price sounds "too good to be true", and we all know what that usually means! Any thoughts or wisdom from the list??? Michael Michael Powers, Technical Director UMass Amherst 112 FAC West Amherst, Ma. 01003 413-545-6821 Voice 413-577-0025 Fax mfpowers [at] theater.umass.edu mptecdir [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Re: Theatre Renovation Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:58:17 -0500 I've heard of a space at the UTMB medical school in Galveston that is designed like this as well. Laura McMeley 972-333-5016 www.geocities.com/lmcmeley/ >From: CB >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Re: Theatre Renovation >Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 08:57:51 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > > Centre Isle???? What are they thinking???? > > > > As for dividing the space to make for a smaller - more intimate > >auditorium, we have actually started to do that for some concerts and >shows > >that expect small audiences. > >One space at a high school in Nogales, AZ (don't laugh) has a very elegant >solution to this problem. At the up-house position are two round >classrooms on turntables. For smaller productions and events, they rotate >to become classrooms, for larger ones they open up to become part of the >room. The design is so that the back wall is acoustically decent in either >position, and it looks great in both as well. If your architect is >serious, make him come up with something usefull. These two rooms can be >used to lecture and practice a chorus, as the coustic seperation that lets >them keep outside noise out during a large performace will keep inside >noise in during a small one. Far more usefull than dark unused space >behind a drape. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > OTR > >Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates >negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <426A83BB.3030006 [at] bu.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:19:55 -0400 From: Nicholas Kuhl Subject: Re: Auto Cad 2005 for $99.95 -- is this legal?? References: In-Reply-To: Michael Powers wrote: > > Does the fact that they don't give you "a printed manual and license" > and "You will not be able to get a technical support.... from the > manufacturer." indicate that they are selling a bootleg copy or is > there a chance this is legit??? This price sounds "too good to be > true", and we all know what that usually means! Any thoughts or > wisdom from the list??? > Definately sounds way too good to be true. "We just wrote you in frustration because we could not get the norton anti virus to work. We just sat here for a few more minutes and experiianced with the codes and finally we figured it out. Thank you very much for the product. Thank You " That's from the testimonials on the site, and the "experiianced (i'm assuming they meant experimented) with the codes" sounds a lot like they were having trouble using some keygen program. That aside, if this place was a legitemate OEM dealer, companies should support the software, Microsoft for example, will support OEM copies of Windows. This only changes if the company that sold you the OEM copy goes out of business, because the service contract for the software is with the OEM distributor, not with you (atleast this is what it looks like in microsoft world, I did some digging and read up on their OEM services (http://www.microsoft.com/smallbusiness/buy/additional/faq.mspx) after I saw the site). Oh, and Downloadable Software, Inc (parent of oemfactory.net and all of its various mirror sites) is not on the list of Authorized Microsoft OEM Distributors (http://www.microsoft.com/oem/authdist/UnitedStates.mspx). All in all, I'd stay away from buying anything from these folks. On a related note, does anyone know of a searchable online database of corporations? I was looking for one to see if "Downloadable Software, Inc" was a real corporation or not, but I could turn up anything beyond individual state listings, and searching state by state does not strike me as a fun time. HTH, Nick Kuhl Boston U ------------------------------ From: Subject: Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story (and:Wierdest phonecall while on tour) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:57:46 -0400 Message-Id: <20050423175747.WVDL1367.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net [at] smtp.west.cox.net> >The theory is that any expectable fire Ehm, could you give me a more detailed explanation of 'expectable'? I'm sure that this is a lexicon that I've not been exposed to, but to the layperson it does sound somewhat oxymoronic. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:10:35 -0400 From: Nancy Moeur Subject: RE: backstage lighting cables Message-ID: <42B5B5ED [at] OrangeMail> Dan contributed: Having gone through something similar a couple of years ago I found out that our fire marshall had a problem with the exit paths specifically and not the general idea of taping cable down. The solution was some really bright blaze orange carpet, that we had in stock, on a homemade ramp. Anyplace that an exit path is needed we now use these. It kept our cost down and satisfied the fire marshall. Remember the fire marshall can be your friend or your worst nightmare. If you are to confrontational they can find a code violation and shut you down. I write: We've gone through the same issue here in the last couple of years. Our solution, as others have suggested, is to build some plywood cable ramps. (Well, okay, the carpenters built them for us.) Our fire marshall didn't like cable being taped OR carpeted over (in answer to Curtis's question) because it doesn't allow enough free air space around the cable, and neither tape nor carpet really provides any protection for the cable. (Yes, we do use SO 12/3 cable, which is rated for theatre use, but you're still not really supposed to walk on it. Or, say, pull a genie over it.) So now we limit the number of places where the cable runs along the floor, and we put down a cable ramp where it's necessary. Then Stage Management runs their carpet over the cable ramp, and everyone's happy. Also, I've tried to be more creative in running the cable NOT on the floor. Often we'll run up a walll, then jump over to the set 8-10' in the air, and come back down, for example. Not always possible, but we do it as much as we can. As others have said, the fire marshall pretty much has the ultimate authority on something like this. I admit I can't find a specific part of the NEC that says "You may not use gaff tape to tape cable to a stage, even for three days" but if, in the FM's interpretation, the cable is a) subject to harm in its current location or b) impedes something important, like egress in the event of a fire, s/he's probably going to ask you to change it. Also, s/he isn't the electrical inspector, and I freely admit I don't know all of the life safety/public occupancy codes out there... for what it's worth--either to the original poster or someone else... best, -nancy ___________ Nancy Moeur AME, Syracuse Stage & SU Drama nmoeur [at] syr.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050423123150.0416b028 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 13:16:27 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Corporation Search (Was Re: Auto Cad 2005 for $99.95 -- is this legal??) In-Reply-To: References: With internet companies, start by doing a whois search on the name. There are many available. Network Solutions is: http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml From here, it gets fun. Searching for "oemfactory.net" you will find that the registrar is located in the Russian Federation and that the registrant (owner) is in Czechoslovakia. The nameservers (getaware.net) are registered in Tahiti. On the Oemfactory.net web site, under Terms, there is a reference to soft4sale. A Google search of that name turns up a Russian company... Usually, if there is a legitimate business behind a website, a "whois" search will reveal that, along with the address, or at least a PO Box, city and state. Once you have the state information, you can generally do an online search of the Secretary of State (for that state) to find out the status of the corporation. For public companies, Hoovers.com is a good resource. For non-profits, Guidestar.org can reveal a lot of information. Not much help, but then, it doesn't look like there's much of a legitimate company behind the site, either. Mike At 12:19 PM 4/23/2005, Nicholas Kuhl wrote: >On a related note, does anyone know of a searchable online database of >corporations? I was looking for one to see if "Downloadable Software, >Inc" was a real corporation or not, but I could turn up anything beyond >individual state listings, and searching state by state does not strike me >as a fun time. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <426A9220.8080100 [at] bu.edu> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:21:20 -0400 From: Nicholas Kuhl Subject: Re: Corporation Search (Was Re: Auto Cad 2005 for $99.95 -- is this legal??) References: In-Reply-To: Mike Brubaker wrote: > > > With internet companies, start by doing a whois search on the name. > There are many available. Network Solutions is: > http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml > > From here, it gets fun. Searching for "oemfactory.net" you will find > that the registrar is located in the Russian Federation and that the > registrant (owner) is in Czechoslovakia. The nameservers > (getaware.net) are registered in Tahiti. On the Oemfactory.net web > site, under Terms, there is a reference to soft4sale. A Google search > of that name turns up a Russian company... > Good call, I didn't even think of whois'ing the site. Fun findings too. Nick Kuhl Boston U ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:22:51 -0400 From: Nancy Moeur Subject: Mystery fresnel and Socapex connector repair Message-ID: <42B5CBD0 [at] OrangeMail> Greetings, wise list members! I've got two questions: I've recently found several 6" fresnels in our inventory that have a reflector I've never seen. Instead of the usual spherical reflector that's ~4-5" in diameter, these have a round flat shiny plate (probably 3-4" in diameter) with a very small spherical "cup" riveted to the middle of the plate. The "cup" is maybe 1-1.5" across, and sort of a matte silver color. It lines up (as the middle of the plate should) with the filament of the lamp. The first time I found one, the "cup" was all wrinkly and I figured the reflector had once been attached to it and had come off. But now that I've run across a couple more (I only find them when I change a lamp, and we don't use these fixtures very often) I'm beginning to think they were made this way. Anyone else have these? The fixtures are the old brown color (not black) and I don't think they're made by Altman, since the knob doesn't have their name on it. There is a shiny silver sticker on the yoke, but of course the letters have long since burned off. I'm interested to know who made them (and why!) because I'd like to see the spec sheets...we've had trouble with color burning out, etc, that might be attributable to these fixtures. That, and I'm curious. Okay, second question: We had a 19-pin Socapex connector on a multicable arc & scar one of the pins. It's scarred enough that it doesn't conduct anymore. So I replaced the pin (socket) on the female connector--easy enough. Now I need to repair the male. I have a whole new male connector, which I'll put on if I have to, but is there any way to just replace one pin? I tried pulling it out, and couldn't remove it. Am I not pulling hard enough, or are they cast into the plastic? Many thanks for answers to either (or both) questions! best, -nancy ___________ Nancy Moeur AME, Syracuse Stage & SU Drama nmoeur [at] syr.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:36:52 -0400 From: Brian Munroe Reply-To: Brian Munroe Subject: Re: Weirdest phone call while on the road... In-Reply-To: References: > Anybody else ever get a call like this? I called home on a lunch break once, to check in with my wife and see how our newborn daughter (our first child) was doing. My wife says "Remember the front of the house?" and I say "What do you mean 'remember'?" An elderly neighbor of ours, who happened to be the formed police chief of our city, had a little trouble putting his car in the garage. He managed to drive thru 2 backyards, one bush, across a street, thru our fence, and into the front corner of our house. My wife was sleeping with the baby at the time. Luckily, the car did not penetrate the sheathing and no one was seriously hurt. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <012c01c54837$1cf756e0$616c7044 [at] TonyLaptop> Reply-To: "Tony Olson" From: "Tony Olson" Subject: Lost ticket company Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:03:19 -0500 Is anyone here heard of a company called "Forms for you" I have used them in the past to print tickets but I can't find them on the net or in any of my files for some reason. if you have information on them please let me know. Thank You Tony Olson Tech. Director Theater for Young Audiences University of Wisconsin- Sheboygan Northern Lights Playhouse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 15:25:56 -0400 Subject: Re: Theatre Renovation From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Bob Frame: > Part of the need for the new seating is that the existing > floor plan is too tight and needs to be opened up- I wanted to > go from existing 550 to about 450; Architects are (with 3 aisles) > going to 318. And the existing seats were made for 1950's butts- > butts are much wider now! So while the architects and I agree seats > need to be changed- the idea of a center aisle just seems to be > anathema to the social atmosphere that we are trying to provide in a > theatre. If I understand the original post correctly, your current GP has three sections of seats. Are there aisles on the outsides (5 aisles total)? If so, then you're going down in the number of aisles, right? Wholesale re-engineering of seating layout is necessary when your seat width is going to change. I've supervised a change from 1950's seats to more modern (and padded!) seating and am familiar with the headaches. Just accept that between putting in wider seats, having to have more space between rows (fire code) and wider aisles (fire code), you're going to be closer to the architects' 318 figure than your own 450. Somebody brought up changing all the bolts in the floors... Yep, it happens. No need to drill them out and fill with concrete. Cut, grind, paint, and the installers are done. Much better for the integrity of the floor. However, if the new seating will require a total stripping and some concrete renovations as well, you might inquire about having power, ethernet, headset, and DMX run to a house-center-ish position for tech purposes, either underneath the concrete floor (ceiling of basement) or having a shallow gutter cut and refilled later. Now, the real reason I'm posting: Don't be fooled by the supposition that a center aisle will rob you of a) audience intimacy, b) seat totals, or c) good tech positions. MOST theatres in New York have a center aisle -- maybe not the renovated big houses (New Amsterdam does and it is used for the opening parade of animals to the stage!), but most of the small ones and all of the off-off-Broadways. Audience intimacy has only to do with keeping families seated together and by the time the show starts, 95% of seats are less than "optimal" -- nobody misses the center seats. Furthermore, you can often get more seats in by planning a center aisle, since firecode allows a maximum of 7 seats to an aisle (yours plus 6), equating to maximum rows of 14 seats. This is different outside of New York, where increased seat-to-back row spacing can allow longer rows of seats, but the principal is the same. Your layout is based in math, not idealism. Tech positions are rarely center anyhow; sometimes the lighting board has it, sometimes not. (And if your LD isn't GETTING UP AND WALKING AROUND to examine the show from all angles, then he's doing something wrong.) And before I sign off, I have been reminded that (in New York at least) any change in permanent seating automatically brings down a re-assessment of auditorium capacity and other provisions by the fire marshalls. Again, the math used there has changed over time. Obiously your situation is not mried in New York fire code, but I suspect it isn't all that different! My advice: ask the architects for the maximum number of seats and accept whatever the configuration it results in. Not a lot of arguments really counters "more seats"! Cris Dopher, LD PS I don't remember the difference between so-called "Continental" and "European" seating arrangements... But the first place I worked in was one kind -- one massive block of seats w/ long rows and wide outside aisles -- and the second place I worked was another kind, with many aisles. The second place had been used in previous decades as the studio from which the Grand Ol' Opry was broadcast, so it had three wide main aisles cutting through the groundplan, including, of course, a perfectly center aisle. The wide aisles had been the camera paths. The outside aisles were fire-code minimum and were practically useless. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:26:34 -0400 From: SB Subject: FLK's Message-id: <001e01c54842$c0221e30$6601a8c0 [at] lighting> References: "Bert Morris" wrote in message > Since true benching is 'out' for you, the only remaining solution I > suggest is that when relamping [you DO relamp between August and July, > as needed, yes?], if possible, carefully open up and drop the barrel > down without disturbing the focus and look directly at your newly > installed bulb. Check if it is off axis even by a little. Adjust until > visually dead center, close up the unit, and record it was tweaked. See > if that procedure makes any difference in your lamp failure rate, per > fixture, per bulb batch. That is all I think you can reasonably do until > you replace the fixtures. The Altman zoom, and all zooms in most cases, don't easily have lenses removed, the way an S4 or 360Q barrel comes out. On the 4.5 zoom, you remove 4 screws on the front, remove the gel holder, then a screw on the side of the lense housing, then you can slide out the entire optical train. In practice it's not an issue on a bench, and is the preferred method to gain access to clean the lenses, but as all these screws are tapped into the aluminum fixture housing, we try not to remove and re-install frequently as the screw holes get worn out (another issue I have with the design). It would not surprise me if the Altman reflector has a slightly smaller opening for the lamp, as compared to the 360Q. It would also not surprise me if Osram has recently been making the quartz envelope a little thinner, as I generally have not had this sort of constant failures in 20 years with these fixtures, with EHG and assorted FLK's from Ushio, GE, etc.. Moot point in some cases, as when you re-install a new lamp on the 4.5, it's a guess if the lamp is too close to the reflector. Yes you can make the cap as centered as possible, using the rear alignment knob to finish the job, but in practice the fixture is not a great design, combined with what appears to be a somewhat sensitive lamp. Note that I do not have this issue with the same lamp with Altman Shakespeares, thus I suspect the combination of bad design on the 4.5" zoom with possibly bad lamps. For the future, ETC is the way to go as I have NONE of these issues with an S4. I have at out 3 theater complex, 72 Altman 4.5 zooms, 68 Shakespeares (including 20 zooms), 50 or so older 360Q's, over 100 Strand 2200 series Lekolites, and about 120 S4's, including S4 Jr's. I've purchased my last Altman units !. Thanks again for the info. Steve B. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:38:44 -0400 From: SB Subject: Re: Mystery fresnel and Socapex connector repair Message-id: <002201c54844$717f20a0$6601a8c0 [at] lighting> References: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Moeur" > I've recently found several 6" fresnels in our inventory that have a > reflector > I've never seen. Instead of the usual spherical reflector that's ~4-5" in > diameter, these have a round flat shiny plate (probably 3-4" in diameter) > with > a very small spherical "cup" riveted to the middle of the plate. The > "cup" is > maybe 1-1.5" across, and sort of a matte silver color. It lines up (as > the > middle of the plate should) with the filament of the lamp. > > The first time I found one, the "cup" was all wrinkly and I figured the > reflector had once been attached to it and had come off. But now that > I've > run across a couple more (I only find them when I change a lamp, and we > don't > use these fixtures very often) I'm beginning to think they were made this > way. > Anyone else have these? The fixtures are the old brown color (not black) > and > I don't think they're made by Altman, since the knob doesn't have their > name > on it. There is a shiny silver sticker on the yoke, but of course the > letters > have long since burned off. I'm interested to know who made them (and > why!) > because I'd like to see the spec sheets...we've had trouble with color > burning > out, etc, that might be attributable to these fixtures. That, and I'm > curious. Funny this question, as I just posted on FLK's with issues with Altman design and here it crops up again. This sounds like an early generation of the Altman 1K6FR fresnel, maybe 15 years old. The fixture had the following issues: 1) The reflector as described above would melt. I had to PAY for replacements, for what is obviously a terrible design that could not handle a 1kw lamp. You can get a replacement reflector, but I wouldn't bother. The reflector mounts on the lamp socket tray and is a royal pain to replace. 2) The early model had lenses that would break with 1000w lamps. Altman sent me a bunch of white Fibertex insulators (but not new lenses) to install between the lense and the retaining clips. The problem still crops up on occasion and YES I am using lenses rated for 1k fixtures. 3) The field was terrible, with an edge that never went soft when flooded, more of a brownish moderately soft edge. 4) The tolerances for the lamp/reflector tray is poor with the result that the tray binds when attempting to move from flood to spot or back. I usually have to point the unit straight out into space (horizontal) to get the unit to focus. Chuck 'em and get a Colortran or Strand. Steve Bailey ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2621.67.1.110.145.1114293355.squirrel [at] 67.1.110.145> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:55:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: power tools From: kosteral [at] luther.edu A friend of mine owns the local Ace Hardware, and passed along the following nugget of info: Recently Porter-Cable/Delta was purchased by DeWalt. Very soon (if not already), DeWalt will be shifting all power tool manufacturing to overseas. If you are planning on buying any of these brands of power tools (DeWalt, Porter-Cable, Delta), DO IT NOW as it is likely the quality will decline. Milwaukee power tools are now about the only ones still manufactured in the USA. Also, FWIW, Ace Hardware corporate recommends their stores buy Milwaukee power tools for their rental centers because the Milwaukees are the best power tools available (from the DeWalt, Porter-Cable, Makita, Milwaukee strata of tools). They are better built so withstand the beatings they get from being rentals. So. Keep this in the back of your minds when spending your last budget dollars in this (academic) fiscal year! Allison Koster Decorah, Iowa ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:59:28 -0500 From: Mick Alderson Subject: RE: Color blind operators Message-id: <530bb1d102a91f7378995e34bdcb0c53 [at] uwosh.edu> CB wrote: >> When 10% (not 1 in 20) have a problem and usually a simple "Oh ya, I > probably shouldn't use Red and Green LEDs but Red and Blue" will fix > it, > why not. Most designers today give NO thought to color vision, when an > alternate solution is often easy or cheaper or better. How would the > 90% > suffer? > > Price blue LED's. Somewhere in the vicinity of $.50 more than another > color. > I'm not (didn't I go through this?) advocating that we don't try to > make it > as easy as possible for those with handicaps, I just said that the > handicap > is the responsibility of the handicapped, and they should take the > first > steps. 'They should not expect the world to be carpeted when it would > be > easier to put on slippers' is how I put it. Again, if I'm making > 400,00 > units and I can get LED's for $.05 a piece, and a tri-color for $.08, > the > tricolor saves me $28,000. Minimum. Perhaps if you paid a little more attention to "human factors" such as this, you'd sell more units. I FOR ONE will usually choose a product that is easier to use and helps prevent me from making mistakes. Ignoring ergonomics for "cost per units" reasons may just be passing the costs on to your consumer; think "carpal tunnel syndrome" caused by poorly designed devices. Who really pays for your penury? I'm following this only because I AM one of those "color blind operators", 10% red deficient, 5% green deficient according to tests I once took. This is not enough to keep me from doing a safe hookup OR from designing lights. I just have to be careful with pinks (and stop signs)! It is my responsibility to compensate as needed. That said, I sure wish when ETC designed the pushbuttons for our worklights and houselights stations that they hadn't used a bi-color LED that is Amber when Off and Green when On. I can't tell the difference, and I am forever having to stick my head around the corner to see what happened when I push a button. A different combination would have saved me a lot of steps! ;-) Mick Alderson TD/ LD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wisconsin Oshkosh alderson [at] uwosh.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 17:23:06 -0500 From: Mick Alderson Subject: RE: Color blind operators Message-id: <30489622ce2e736d2545a0b2d97cac67 [at] uwosh.edu> Oops! A correction is in order... I wrote: > That said, I sure wish when ETC designed the pushbuttons for our > worklights and houselights stations that they hadn't used a bi-color > LED that is Amber when Off and Green when On. In fairness to ETC and in the interest of accuracy, they DID use two separate LEDs on the push buttons rather than a single bi-color one, but I STILL can't tell the difference, and physical separation isn't enough to make it immediately obvious. Mick Alderson ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <86.26c1e6fa.2f9c349d [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:30:37 EDT Subject: Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story (and:Wierdest phonecall while on tour) In a message dated 23/04/05 18:58:20 GMT Daylight Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >The theory is that any expectable fire > > Ehm, could you give me a more detailed explanation of 'expectable'? I'm > sure that this is a lexicon that I've not been exposed to, but to the > layperson it does sound somewhat oxymoronic. You really need a crystal ball for this, but I'll try. Drapes in contact with a hot luminaire is one likely cause, as are naked flames. Careless use of flammable liquids, and electrical failures. Any or all of these can start a fire. The advice we have, from professional fire officers, is that if local resources, such as extinguishers, have not got it under control in 30 seconds, stop the show, evacuate the house, and send for the experts. Small fires, such as those caused by a carelessly disposed-of cigarette-end in a waste bin, can grow fast into something major. Hence the 30 seconds. Defining 'expectable' is eally down to your safety team. I have just pulled a few out of my head. I have seen some fire brigade videos of a cigarette stub discarded on non-fireproofed furniture. These are horriffic. Inside two minutes, the whole room is ablaze. In five minutes, an inferno. and a lot of toxic smoke. The fire curtain and roof vents keep this out of the auditorium. They allow time for an orderly evacuation. Never forget that most of the casualties in theatre fires are caused by a panic-stricken audience rushing for the exits. Remember the Coconut Grove. This was exacerbated by the fire exits being locked or blocked. This is what the FOH staff are for. Ostensibly, they spend their time in tearing tickets, and directing patrons to their seats. Their real purpose is to ensure a safe and orderly evacuation of the theatre, in an emergency. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050424013621.56139.qmail [at] web51405.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:36:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Fitch Subject: Re: OT Frank Wood In-Reply-To: I'm not an old timer around this discussion forum but I have to say that although it seems Frank Wood gets on a lot of people's nerves; I give him credit for not running off the list. When I was originally posting about 6 or 7 years ago there was someone else who used to get on the nerves of some folks but I see that that person is contributing and I enjoy all the posts I read. If I'm ever across the great pond I'd like to say hi to Frank. Strike is a few minutes so I needed somewhere to take the edge off! Al Fitch I could be wrong about the person who (I may mistakingly recall was annoying but I won't reveal anyway since that would accomplish nothing as may be the case with this post) Now that I have totally lost EVERYONE, have a good weekend. Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050423143742.0239a298 [at] localhost> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:39:48 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: OT - Toll free numbers In-Reply-To: References: At 04:14 AM 4/22/2005, you wrote: > > I found it amusing that with long hair and civilian cloths I was > >able to walk anywhere I wanted to without question. I even walked out to > >the flight line. > >Shoot, Jerry, on the flight line with long-hair and civvies, everyone just >thought you were a spook! You do, of course, know what a no-lone-zone on a >flight line looks like? It's been so long since I was there, I don't remember. I DO know what keepout areas look like around fireworks, it's where all the mothers are pushing their baby strollers (thinking of a show we did last July 4th). >I've noticed over the years, that the 'I'm *supposed* to be here' look is >the best credentials you can get. It's almost as good as the 'I didn't see >anything' sideways glance (tm). Ah yes, I remember my father instructing me in that. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050423144649.0239a900 [at] localhost> Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 14:51:55 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Access (was: Re: OT - Toll free numbers) In-Reply-To: References: At 06:47 AM 4/22/2005, you wrote: >As a 50ish 'suit', I also have enjoyed virtually unlimited access to all >the Studios. I may be jaded, but Studios are just factories, IMHO. >/s/ Richard I don't think anyone has EVER mistaken me for a "suit". There have been several cases like the following: New manager joins company and at first he meeting wants to know why these two obviously low-level employees are making product suggestions. He's informed that we (I and a half Arab, half Israeli guy) are two of the three founders of the company. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886 USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 fax: +1 408 356-4659 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: Fire Inspectors Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 19:33:43 -0700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gosh, I must be way, way out of it. I do this on a regular basis, have for over fifty years. They are the best to work with, and in my experience, always willing to help, even the Chief State Fire Marshals, with whom I usually meet with. Good idea. I usually have ice cream but for those who drink coffee, and I never have, that might be an idea all right. Doom -- Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson, Risk International & Associates, Inc. - www.riskit.com Latest workshops for Educational and Entertainment Industry Performing Arts Personnel (Riggers, and Public Assembly and Educational Technicians) www.riskit.com/workshops International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - www.isetsa.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey E. Salzberg Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 5:26 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Fire Inspectors For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > Just curious... how many of you have actually gone out for > "a couple of beers" with a fire inspector to discuss after an inspection. Not beer, perhaps, but when I managed a theatre on a university campus, I occasionally had lunch with one of the safety officers or the electrical engineer from campus planning, and I'd ask the safety office to stop by if there was something I was unsure about. One of the best compliments I ever got was when a safety officer was giving a new hire a tour of the campus and I overheard him saying, as they were leaving my building, "You won't have to worry about these guys; they're more hard-assed than *we* are." -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <426B1AD5.B357933D [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 00:04:37 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Sharing a fire clean-up story References: psyd [at] cox.net wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >The theory is that any expectable fire > > Ehm, could you give me a more detailed explanation of 'expectable'? I'm sure that this is a lexicon that I've not been exposed to, but to the layperson it does sound somewhat oxymoronic. Sorry. Term of art, as they say. Broadly, you look at the place. Structure, available fuel, what types of fuel, ignition sources and the people there are the primary criteria. You don't expect things like a fully loaded jetliner crashing into the place, unless you are at an airport. So to pick an obvious and fairly simple case, the self service gas station. Structure: Not much, just the hut for the cashier. Unlimited ventilation available, no significant blockages of egress for the relatively few people there. Fuel available: Mostly gasoline in the cars there, and what is being pumped up from the station fuel tank. Ignition sources: Electrical sparks from pumps or lighting, careless smokers, and defective cars. So lots of easily ignitable fuel, plenty of air, and ignition sources that are difficult to control. ( Some smokers make it a point to light up when they see a no smoking sign. ) So, your expectable fire is gasoline fed, and involves several gallons of it, potentially lots more and one or more cars. First you put in emergency cutoff switches for the fuel pumps, and make the main station fuel tanks as difficult to ignite as possible, usually by burying it. Next you want to put out the fire once it has started before it has a chance to spread to adjacent cars. Large area of effect dry chemical systems are the usual choice here in the US. those are those pipes with funny looking nozzles on them hanging about ten feet up in the air over the pumps. Some places also have nozzles from the system at ground level to put out the burning gas puddles underneath the cars. A theater is a much harder case. The fuel load is quite variable, and contains things that are relatively easy to ignite if not treated with fire retardents. Curtains, canvas and wood scenery, sometimes with many layers of paint on it. Wood decking, and the wooden walls, floor and ceilings in older buildings. All kinds of flammables in the scene shop if you have one. Structure is difficult. You have lots of bodies, not all of which are able-bodied. These bodies do not (mostly) know the building well, so they are unable to easily divert to alternate exits if one is blocked. Add a further amount of impairment to many of them from the drinks they had prior to the start of the show. Lots of air in the main room, so plenty of oxygen to fuel the initial fire adding lots of heat and smoke before it gets limited by oxygen starvation. Sources of ignition: Lots of movable high wattage lights, can easily touch flammable things to ignite them. Ditto all the electrical wiring, one spike heel into that feeder for the dimmer rack is all it takes. While smoking is increasingly being prohibited in the US, this is not universal, and many smokers will sneak a smoke in the back corridors and stairwells, then the discarded butt can ignite things. So you do things to contain the fire once it has started, and detect the fire early. Smoke detectors and so on hooked to an automatic alarm for the fire department. Fire walls, fire curtains and self closing fire doors to block the fire. Automatic vents to let the heat and smoke escape to the outside, giving the occupants longer to make their escape. Sprinklers to actively fight the fire, further slowing it's progress. ( and in many cases, have the fire largly extinguished by the time the fire department has arrived. ) Portable extinguishers and trained staff to fight small fires while they are still small and easily snuffed. Lots of fire escape routes, with emergency lighting and well signed. Trained staff to assist the less than able-bodied to make their escape, and to direct those who don't know the facility to the nearest safe egress. There are entire textbooks on the subject, I'm merely scratching the surface here. Nor do I claim expertise on the subject. This sort of thing is what fire protection engineers do for a living. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050424070227.43124.qmail [at] web14122.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 00:02:27 -0700 (PDT) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: backstage lighting cables >So, why not just get some Yellowjackets, and your >fire marshal issue will be over.... and I'll bet you >will like using them better than pulling up >week-old, non-reusable tape from the same location >show after show after show! >Cheers >th Well, possibly because yellowjackets cost anywhere from $375 - $500 apiece, and that is a serious budgetary consideration for a lot of folks. Hence the suggestions to build your own when possible. June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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