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Re: Pipe grid material by "richard j. archer" 2. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by John McKernon 3. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by Bruce Purdy 4. Re: Pipe grid material by "Paul Schreiner" 5. Re: pipe grids by "Karl G. Ruling" 6. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by "Paul Sanow" 7. Twelve foot circle by "Dougherty, Jim" 8. Turnbuckles (was Pipe grid material) by "Scheu Consulting Services" 9. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by Bruce Purdy 10. Another Stage Related Accident by "David Bowman" 11. Re: Pipe grid material by Bill Sapsis 12. Re: Another Stage Related Accident by "Scheu Consulting Services" 13. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by Mark O'Brien 14. Re: Another Stage Related Accident by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 15. Re: designer anniversaries for June by Mark Harvey 16. Re: Pipe Grid by "Bill Conner" 17. Better Way to make a window frame? by Al Fitch 18. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 19. Re: Better Way to make a window frame? by Mike Brubaker 20. Re: designer anniversaries for June by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 21. Re: Better Way to make a window frame? by Scott Parker 22. Re: Better Way to make a window frame? by "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" 23. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by "Steven Haworth" 24. Re: designer anniversaries for June by Greg Williams 25. Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 26. Re: re Dead Cat Soap by CB 27. MSDS Resources by "Michael Wade" 28. Re: Pipe grid material by CB 29. Re: Patch boxes by CB 30. Re: MSDS Resources by Dale Farmer 31. Re: Patch boxes by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 32. Re: lighting console advice - ganging channels for 16-bit resolution by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 33. Re: Another Stage Related Accident by "Scheu Consulting Services" 34. Re: lighting console advice - ganging channels for 16-bit resolution by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 35. Dennis needs a card by CB 36. Re: Wordinance AEmfaseem by CB 37. diatomy Azo Menopausel by CB 38. WTF? by Mark O'Brien 39. Oops, I did it again by CB 40. Re: Oops, I did it again by Noah Price *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 07:23:02 -0500 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Pipe grid material For another 2 cents worth: Depending on future room configuration, hanging points, etc. you might want to consider not a pipe grid but pipes only in one direction. At 2' on center spacing you would use the same amount of pipe as a 4' square grid (given a square room) avoid the cost of cross connectors, make it somewhat easier for student designers, and not need as many "added" pipes with cheeseboroughs later on. Of course, you need to live with 2' on center for lighting (at least in one direction) and if there is hang down from the structural steel (concrete) this will sway easier. Dick A TD, Cornell Univ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 08:54:20 -0400 Subject: Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > For one thing, the S4 PAR EA is listed as weighing only 7.5 > lbs, whilst the Altman unit claims to be 19 lbs. (Neither says whether the > weight includes a lens or not, which I would expect makes quite a > difference.) Maybe the Altman lenses weigh 12 pounds, but I doubt it seriously. The Altmans are probably made of a heavier material. > The Altman unit appears to be brighter, and has a narrower beam angle. S4 PAR's generally come with a lens kit, so they can be switched around between various beam angles. That's one of their major virtues, in addition to things like being able to rotate the lens (very easy!) instead of having to rotate a hot PAR 64 bulb. - John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:27:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >> For one thing, the S4 PAR EA is listed as weighing only 7.5 >> lbs, whilst the Altman unit claims to be 19 lbs. (Neither says whether the >> weight includes a lens or not, which I would expect makes quite a >> difference.) > > Maybe the Altman lenses weigh 12 pounds, but I doubt it seriously. The > Altmans are probably made of a heavier material. > LOL No. I'm sure that the lens isn't THAT heavy, but it might have something to do with the weight difference. Direct comparisons are so difficult when different manufacturers use different parameters in their spec sheets - especially when they don't tell you what those parameters ARE! >> The Altman unit appears to be brighter, and has a narrower beam angle. > > S4 PAR's generally come with a lens kit, so they can be switched around > between various beam angles. That's one of their major virtues, in addition > to things like being able to rotate the lens (very easy!) instead of having > to rotate a hot PAR 64 bulb. > They both come with a four lens kit. Comparing apples with apples, however: the S4 says that their Narrow spot lens gives you a 10 degree Beam angle and a 19 degree field angle, whilst the Altman claims 7 and 16 degree angles respectively with their narrow spot lens. Each of the other lenses show similar differences. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Pipe grid material Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:32:33 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C82C [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com > I just don't like using chain, because It's hard to get all=20 > the slack out to get even loading on all the hangers, and I=20 > know how Unca Bill feels about turnbuckles in load path. I was thinking about this the other day when I was doing some online window shopping through the Crosby catalog. I noticed that there are no disclaimers on the turnbuckle page regarding their use in live vs. static load situations, and would have thought that they of all people would include something like that if their turnbuckles were unsuitable for supporting live loads. Are these particular turnbuckles less brittle than their more common (and cheaply designed) counterparts? ------------------------------ From: "Karl G. Ruling" Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:37:05 -0400 Subject: Re: pipe grids Reply-to: kruling [at] esta.org Message-ID: <429D81C1.30045.288DF5 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: > Ah, pipe grids properly designed are 6' to 10' apart spacing running > up and down stage I would say the proper spacing depends on the size of your lighting areas. You'll probably be happier if the grid spacing matches the spacing of your areas or is twice as dense for a little more flexibilty. That is, if you tend to light with areas on 8' centers, you'll be happier with the lighting positions (the pipes) being on 8' or 4' centers than you will if they are on 6' or 10' centers. If they're on 10' centers, you're going to be grumbling as you design a show about the compromises you have to make: the lights for this row are just right, but for the next row the hanging position makes the angles a little flat and the throws a little further so the areas lit are a little bigger and a little dimmer. Maybe it won't really make much difference, but it will bug you every time you design lighting for a show. If your lighting areas tend to be on 6' centers, you'll be happier with pipes spaced at 6' or 3'. If you have no usual size for your lighting areas, pick a number, any number. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:38:03 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Paul Sanow" > differences. For one thing, the S4 PAR EA is listed as=20 > weighing only 7.5 > lbs, whilst the Altman unit claims to be 19 lbs. (Neither=20 > says whether the > weight includes a lens or not, which I would expect makes quite a > difference.) >=20 > The Altman unit appears to be brighter, and has a=20 > narrower beam angle. >=20 > Does anyone have actual experience with both? Do you=20 > prefer one over the > other? Any advice?? I have a StarPar sitting here in my office and it weighs in at 8lbs = without the lens but with a connector. No clamp is installed. That = agrees with the data sheet I have on hand as well. Not sure where you = found that 19lbs weight. In the past all StarPars shipped with a clamp = (510 cast iron). Clamps are now an option and not included with the = fixture automatically. If you have an older data sheet, that might be = the difference. Or maybe you picked a shipping weight on the Altman? =20 The Altman can be purchased with all lenses (SP-A). In the past you = could buy them with specific lenses, although my price book no longer = shows that option. I almost always quote these with all lenses. Paul *********************************************************** Paul Sanow psanow [at] vls.com Technical Sales www.vincentlighting.com Vincent Lighting Systems 1420 Jamike Ln. #2 Erlanger, KY 41018 (859) 525-2000 x211 FAX (859) 525-2050 *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:49:50 -0400 Subject: Twelve foot circle From: "Dougherty, Jim" Message-ID: Sorry for the delay in following up on this, but about a week ago folks were talking about making a circle platform 11'3" or 11'4" in diameter, to save on materials using an 8'x8' stock center. We have a circle 12' in diameter, with the same size center, that didn't use any more material to cover (a total of four sheets of plywood). The outer parts are not the same on all four sides as they might be with the smaller circle, which might be a disadvantage, but as it was going into stock anyway making only the opposite sides match wasn't that big a deal. The corners of the stock center do not make it all the way out to the edge - they are covered by the outer, curved sections. I don't mind making changes to a design if it really makes things easier, but if it's not that much more work, and just about the same in materials, I'd rather match the design. The designers like it too. Just don't ask me to make it 12'2". - Jim Dougherty ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Dept. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scheu Consulting Services" Subject: Turnbuckles (was Pipe grid material) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 09:56:14 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Paul Schreiner wrote: >I noticed that there are no disclaimers on the turnbuckle page=20 >regarding their use in live vs. static load situations, and=20 >would have thought that they of all people would include=20 >something like that if their turnbuckles were unsuitable for=20 >supporting live loads. > >Are these particular turnbuckles less brittle than their more=20 >common (and cheaply designed) counterparts? I would never presume to speak for Unca Bill, but I think the concern is side loading, and that turnbuckles (when used in lieu of a trim chain at = the end of a lift line in a stage rigging lineset) tend to snag on things - = the mousing wires and cotter pins may stick out. Not that they're not = "strong enough" for how we normally use them. A Crosby 3/8" x 6" J&J turnbuckle has a WLL of 1,200 lb (with a design factor of at least 5:1), well within the design loads commonly seen on = 1/4" cable lift lines. Crosby does disclaim their use by recommending that = they be used "for straight or in-line pull only", so making sure the support/lines are all plumb is important. The side loading concern comes when they might be hit by something passing by or pushed aside while = under load. But I personally do find them useful when the pipe trim has to be so = precise as to exclude using chain, which can only be lengthened and shortened in increments. As always, it not what it "is", it's how you use it. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:05:07 -0400 Subject: Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I have a StarPar sitting here in my office and it weighs in at 8lbs without > the lens but with a connector. No clamp is installed. That agrees with the > data sheet I have on hand as well. Not sure where you found that 19lbs > weight. I'm looking at a data sheet I downloaded from the Altman site a while back, so maybe it did change. There is no mention of a pipe clamp being included - just a Colour frame and safety cable. It might be a shipping weight with all four lenses - under "Specifications" it just says "Weight: Aprox. 19 lbs" Like I said, it's hard to compare when you don't know the specifics, and how each company measures them. What I am really looking for is a sort of "Which one is better - which one should I get". Are they really both pretty much the same, or is one a better bet? I don't want to start another war (Mac/PC or Gerber/Leatherman), but I would like to hear some opinions. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:01:59 -0400 From: "David Bowman" Subject: Another Stage Related Accident Hey gang, Just saw this come across the local news wire.... I'm quite a ways away = and I don't know any more than the story says..... dave B. Man working on school lighting dies in accident 5/31/2005, 11:37 p.m. ET The Associated Press =09 AFTON, N.Y. (AP) * A man working on the lighting system at Afton Central = School died in an accident Tuesday, state police said. Martin Kappel, 51, = of Norwich, was on a catwalk in the auditorium around 1:10 p.m. He = neglected to take off the weights from a pulley system and was catapulted = 20 feet into the air. The self-employed theater worker struck his head when he fell back to the = catwalk, state police said, and was pronounced dead at the hospital. Afton is 93 miles southwest of Albany. David M. Bowman Syracuse Stage / SU Drama Master Electrician / Adj. Professor dmbowman [at] syr.edu Dolor Temporarius... Gloria Aeterna.... Cicatrices Virgines Placent! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:08:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Pipe grid material From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: If I were to tell everyone where they could or could not use a product for all the products in my catalog, it would be more text than I could deal with. However..... You will note that the domestic turnbuckles are load rated and the imported ones are not. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Please support the Long Reach Long Riders on their 2nd annual benefit ride http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html on 6/1/05 9:32 AM, Paul Schreiner at pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu wrote: > I was thinking about this the other day when I was doing some online > window shopping through the Crosby catalog. > > I noticed that there are no disclaimers on the turnbuckle page regarding > their use in live vs. static load situations, and would have thought > that they of all people would include something like that if their > turnbuckles were unsuitable for supporting live loads. > > Are these particular turnbuckles less brittle than their more common > (and cheaply designed) counterparts? ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scheu Consulting Services" Subject: RE: Another Stage Related Accident Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:37:58 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: This is from our local (Syracuse) TV station: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D NORWICH, N.Y. An accident at a school auditorium has claimed the life of = a 51-year-old upstate man. Police in Afton in Chenango County say Martin Kappel of Norwich was = killed yesterday afternoon while attempting to rig the lighting system in the auditorium at Afton Central School. Authorities say the self-employed technical theater worker had scaled a catwalk and was attempting to lower an empty lighting standard. But he failed to remove the counter weights from a pulley system on the = catwalk, and after releasing the brake, he was thrown 20 feet into the air. Police say Kappel struck a steel girder and dropped back to the concrete catwalk, striking his head. Kappel was pronounced dead at the hospital in Sidney. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D BTW - A new rigging system was instlled here in early 2002. If I = remember correctly, there were some bad architectural details (like the loading gallery being too high to safely load weights), but I don't know if this = was ever corrected. And, no, I did not spec this job (thank god!) As I find out more (and correct) information, I'll share. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Syracuse, NY ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:45:43 -0700 Not that ETC vs Atlman EVER comes up on this list... Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Jun 1, 2005, at 7:05 AM, Bruce Purdy wrote: > I don't want to start another war (Mac/PC or > Gerber/Leatherman), but I would like to hear some opinions. > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:08:17 GMT Subject: Re: Another Stage Related Accident Message-Id: <20050601.090903.10161.231667 [at] webmail18.lax.untd.com> With a "cc:" to Randy Davidson, please. /s/ Richard As I find out more (and correct) information, I'll share. Peter Scheu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:39:12 -0500 From: Mark Harvey Subject: Re: designer anniversaries for June Message-ID: <2147483647.1117625952 [at] mharvey.d.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: References: --On Monday, May 30, 2005 "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" wrote: > June 17 > 96th anniversary of the birth of lighting designer, Abe Feder > June 27 > 96th Anniversary of the birth of lighting designer, Abe Feder So, Richard, which date is it? Or are there two Abe Feders? :) ____________________________________ Mark Harvey Associate Professor, Theatrical Lighting and Sound Design University of Minnesota Duluth http://www.d.umn.edu/~mharvey ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000201c566c9$250e7010$9e6514ac [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: re: Pipe Grid Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:14:59 -0500 Interesting comments all. I was surprised to see so little specific information on loads. Based on measuring (inventorying) scenery and other hangings in black box or studio like spaces I have arrived at a load of between 15 and 25 psf. On a 4' X 4' grid this works out to between 30 and 50 pounds per foot of pipe. Since 30 pounds per foot is what I use for stage battens - electrics at least - this seems reasonable. The other component is point loading. I assume that at some point someone will hang a Tarzan rope and some over active performer will really put it to the test. While not planned or good production practice, it will happen without due diligence - meaning engineering - on the part of the crew. In any case, a 500 pound point load seems like a reasonable minimum. I'd prefer hang points were closer than 6 to 10' and where possible every joist or every other joist if joists are present, on maybe 4-5' centers. Layout - especially distance from the wall and planning for any perimeter curtains - seems more important than an exact spacing in the center of the room. I would discourage the practice of a general contractor - or likely his miscellaneous metals sub-contractor - from doing this. They unfortunately don't get how it will be used. It might cost several thousand more but encourage or maybe insist that whoever does it has done several previously so you aren't his first. If after squawking and hollering you still loose this and are his guinea pig, try to take them on a tour of a known successful pipe grid. Most contractors are open to this. And sleeve every pipe end to the wall - with an internal sleeve on a plate - so contraction/expansion is not an issue. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050601170446.72169.qmail [at] web51401.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:04:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Al Fitch Subject: Better Way to make a window frame? In-Reply-To: Hey List: I'm building a 9X6 (Approx) store front window for LaBoheme the Opera out of lattice (5/8" or so thick) and maybe 1" wide. I am using 5/4 as the frame and was thinking about using a biscuit joiner to attach the lattice to the side frame. I'm pretty sure that the joiner does not make a 5/8" wide slot and I don't use a biscuit joiner much. Would it work if I made two passes? is there a better simpler faster cheaper way to do this? I have 19 days to build it but want to finish by Monday or Tuesday next week! Thanks, Al Fitch Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun. __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:22:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c566ce$7e78a8a0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Maybe the Altman lenses weigh 12 pounds, but I doubt it=20 > seriously. The Altmans are probably made of a heavier material. The Star PAR is slightly (a pound or two) heavier. It's certainly = bigger -- it takes a 10" color frame, as opposed to the S4 PAR's 7.5" frame. Both = are made of cast aluminum. The Star PAR can't do dimmer-doubling, but it's field is feathered like a PAR64, so it can blend more smoothly than a S4 PAR. The Star PAR is brighter. The Altman unit also has (this is not part of the standard lens kit but = is available as a special-order) a Very Wide Flood lens, so if short = throw/wide coverage is an issue, this is something to consider. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.0.20050601121601.0399b550 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 12:22:46 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Better Way to make a window frame? In-Reply-To: References: Not necessarily better, faster or cheaper, but perhaps some alternatives: Plunge router with a jig and a 5/8" straight bit? Rout or dado a 5/8" continuous slot and glue or nail a spline in the stretches you don't want open? Hammer and chisel (more fun, if not faster)? Drill press? Mike At 12:04 PM 6/1/2005, Al Fitch wrote: >is there a better simpler faster cheaper way to do >this? I have 19 days to build it but want to finish ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: designer anniversaries for June Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:23:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000601c566ce$9e71a030$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Or are there two Abe Feders? :) ...And if one's in a bad mood, does that make him a cross Feder? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c998050601102428e1784b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:24:12 -0400 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: Scott Parker Subject: Re: Better Way to make a window frame? In-Reply-To: References: Hi Al, 5/8" seems thick for lattice... My biscuit cutter has about a 1/8" kerf. If you're cutting a slot for the lattice, I would suggest using a table saw. Or, a router with a roller guide. hth, Scott --=20 Take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza=20 New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ From: "Jeremiah Minh Greenblatt" Subject: RE: Better Way to make a window frame? Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:25:36 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c566ce$f060a990$0300a8c0 [at] Roadbox> In-Reply-To: I am using 5/4 as the frame and was thinking about using a biscuit joiner to attach the lattice to the side frame. ... is there a better simpler faster cheaper way to do this? Al, I may be picturing this wrong but might it be easier to make full-length dado cuts in the frame pieces (table saw or router) rather than trying to align multiple cuts with multiple lattice members? I'm thinking of a system similar to affixing the bottom of a cabinet drawer - just larger scale. - J.Minh ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 12:52:43 -0500 Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB093078FE [at] danube.river.idm.com> From: "Steven Haworth" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com So... if you were purchasing one or the other - which would you pick? = And why? - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 13:48:09 -0400 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: designer anniversaries for June In-reply-to: Message-id: <804286f681abbdbeb36339fa4f2417ac [at] appstate.edu> References: On Jun 1, 2005, at 1:23 PM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > >> Or are there two Abe Feders? :) > > ...And if one's in a bad mood, does that make him a cross Feder? > Absolutely. And if the same fellow is statewide head of A.F. & A. M. (Masons), then he's the grand master Feder. -=Greg=- ----We're at it again!!!---- Check out the Long Reach Long Riders cross country fund raiser for BC/EFA at http://sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Star*Par Vs. Source 4 Par Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:02:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01c566d4$22b11e20$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: =20 > So... if you were purchasing one or the other - which would=20 > you pick? And why? It would depend on the situation. If size was a major consideration, that would tilt me toward the S4 (as would the fact that one can get 6 gel cuts out of a sheet, as opposed to = 4 with the Star PAR. If intensity and smoothness were more important, I'd go with the Star = PAR. If the theatre had a low grid or if a wide field were for some other = reason very important to me, I'd go with the Star PAR. If all other factors were equal, I'd buy the PAR that used the same = lamps as my existing fixture inventory (the Star PAR uses the same GLC lamp as = the Shakespeare or the Strand SL). ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050601112229.0170a948 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:22:29 From: CB Subject: RE: re Dead Cat Soap >AES has a standard, AES-48, which addresses this. AES also passed a standard for the polarization XLR 3 connectors, i.e., pin 2 would be hot, and pin three, not. The result is that those manufacturers who make gear with pin three hot are now labled as 'non-standard', I see no fewer phase reversers in my adaptor kit, though. AES may have set standards, but they have NO international enforcement power at all, so they just print the stuff and anyone who WANTS to comply is already a member, and gets the info for free. Anyone who doesn't care that awful much surely isn't going to pay to find out how they aren't compying with AES standards that carries no discernable penalty. if, I mean IF, there were more purchases on AES standards cmpliant gear, and fewer on gear that didn't comply, it might make a difference. IF AES standards were easy to accesss, easy to understand, and generally known, newer users might use them as a yardstick for gear purchases. One out of twenty newer spind engineers might know who the AES are, one in a hundred might care. AES (as it seemed to me when I followed) are a lofty-minded set of engineers who seem to have lost touch with the 'real world'. Good intentions, little understandinbg on how to change the status quo. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Michael Wade" Cc: mike [at] focusnote.com Subject: MSDS Resources Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 14:14:45 -0400 Message-ID: <001201c566d5$ce83f9b0$0100a8c0 [at] Mike> Hello all. I am starting to collect and organize MSDS's here in our shop and I need some guidance. The overview: We are a small scene shop in NYC and I am working on creating our 1st official MSDS book as well as a safety manual. I know this is a large task but it is something that we need to have and now (the summer) is the time to get it done. Where I am in my search now: I have started to compile our MSDS's from company web sites and from our suppliers. I am collecting all of the 'safe use' cards for our tools into a book as well as posted by the tools. My Questions: - I know that we need to have an MSDS book with an MSDS for every product we have in the shop. Do I need to have a 'Right To Know' station or will the book be sufficient? - Do I need to have MSDS's for sandpaper? - Where can I find good resources for compliance guidelines? - Has anyone found good MSDS resources online? I know this is only the beginning of the questions, but I think it is a good place to start. Feel free to contact me off list as well. When I am through version one I am planning on posting my process and any details for all to view. Thanks for the input. Mike Wade Daedalus Design and Production Inc. mike [at] focusnote.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050601114426.0170a948 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:44:26 From: CB Subject: Re: Pipe grid material Steve L. wrote: >I've never dealt with a fire marshal yet who >would allow a sprinkler pipe to be used to >hang lights or anything else from it. Are you referring to the actual pipe that your facility uses to carry water to the sprinkler heads in your facility, or a seperate chunk of pipe that is normally used to carry this water, but isn't connected to the system? I think that when the contractor said "sprinkler pipe", he didn't mean to use the fire extinguishing system to hang the grid, he just meant that he would use the same materials. I NEVER hang anything from the sprinkler system, not cables, not soft goods of any kind, nothing. I would, however, expext my fire marshal to not give a dang if I hung cables or signs from a piece of pipe that was manufactured to the same spec as my sprinkler system, but wasn't connected to the system in any way. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050601114602.0170a948 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:46:02 From: CB Subject: Re: Patch boxes >I fear that you are right.Who knows what happens inside a miltipin connector? I do. What did you want to know, Frank? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <429E0796.ABB082C7 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:08:07 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: MSDS Resources References: Michael Wade wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello all. I am starting to collect and organize MSDS's here in our > shop and I need some guidance. > > The overview: > We are a small scene shop in NYC and I am working on creating our 1st > official MSDS book as well as a safety manual. I know this is a large > task but it is something that we need to have and now (the summer) is > the time to get it done. > > Where I am in my search now: > I have started to compile our MSDS's from company web sites and from our > suppliers. I am collecting all of the 'safe use' cards for our tools > into a book as well as posted by the tools. > > My Questions: > - I know that we need to have an MSDS book with an MSDS for every > product we have in the shop. Do I need to have a 'Right To Know' > station or will the book be sufficient? OSHA requires a 'Right to Know' station. This may be a book in a readily available location, with a largish sign nearby pointing to it. If your business is a 'small business' under federal guidelines, then some of the standards are relaxed. > > - Do I need to have MSDS's for sandpaper? If the manufacturer ships it with an MSDS, then you need to have it readily available in the shop. The usual procedure is to go through your supply cabinets and purchase records compiling lists, and then print out the MSDS from the company web site or CD collection of MSDS. Stick them into a couple of binders, indexed in some reasonable fashion. Stuff with unusual hazards should also be notated in your emergency response paperwork in the knoxbox. > > - Where can I find good resources for compliance guidelines? OSHA has inspectors who if you contact them for assistance (rather than them arriving to investigate an accident. ) are usually more than happy to assist you in bringing your shop into compliance. There is also usually a state OSHA agency that can help. Your industrial insurance company has safety people who specialize in helping companies operate safely and efficiently. Fire department inspectors are usually also a good resource, and folks with which you want to cultivate good relations. They can greatly help you with fire and life safety aspects of your operation. > > - Has anyone found good MSDS resources online? > Company web sites are my usual first choice. There are commercial operators out there who collect MSDSs from everyone and publish them on CDrom sets. But the maker is the one with the most up to date version. > > I know this is only the beginning of the questions, but I think it is a > good place to start. Feel free to contact me off list as well. When I > am through version one I am planning on posting my process and any > details for all to view. Best to do this now, rather than after an accident with a court ordered deadline and large daily fines for continued noncompliance. --Dale ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:06:42 EDT Subject: Re: Patch boxes In a message dated 5/30/05 10:59:21 AM W. Europe Daylight Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: << You are correct. I got zero credit - not even a "thank you". But that does not matter. I know know that I can plug a cable into any of the jacks and have it work. That in itself made the effort worthwhile. I don't know if the miswiring was due to the original installer (whoever it was) or if the errors occurred during a partial remodel of the facility. Unfortunately, I was not involved with that part of the process. >> I know what you mean. In my day, I have designed, planned, and supervised big installations,such as TV studios, and all their communications. Exact attention to detail is the name of the game. Getting it right the first time. It is a rewarding exercise. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <62.562181c5.2fcf7d72 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:06:58 EDT Subject: Re: lighting console advice - ganging channels for 16-bit resolution In a message dated 5/30/05 4:05:15 PM W. Europe Daylight Time, stagecraft [at] theatrewireless.com writes: << > Wouldn't it be easier to have an alternative dimmer law that > gives a square rather than linear response? I had the same thought over the weekend -- thanks for validating it! We can take this approach one step further and let you build and upload unique curve tables to individual dimmers. In addition to modifying the dimmer response anyway you like (even invert it if you want!), you could also introduce attentuation to match various lighting devices with different battery packs. >> OK, I'm old fashioned.But one question comes to mind. What equipment are you sending these 16-bit signals to? I appreciate that moving lights need many control channels. 12 come to mind, and I am sure that more may be needed. But all are 8-bit ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Scheu Consulting Services" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com Subject: RE: Another Stage Related Accident Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:26:22 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Another local (Syracuse, NY) report from WSTM-TV ************** AFTON, N.Y. Classes resumed today in a rural upstate school district following the death of a man who'd been working in an auditorium. Authorities say Martin Kappel died of massive head trauma after he was hurled into the air yesterday while installing lighting equipment in the auditorium of Afton Central School. The 51-year-old Kappel was catapulted into a steel girder. He then plunged 20 feet to a concrete catwalk, where he struck his head. State police have described the case as an industrial accident. But Afton Central School superintendent Elizabeth Briggs says school officials are continuing to investigate the incident, which happened early yesterday afternoon. Briggs calls Kappel's death a "terrible tragedy." She says counselors were available for the school's students and staff today. *************** BTW - It was a double-purchase system, operated from the floor. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: lighting console advice - ganging channels for 16-bit resolution Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:26:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050601212659.FRSV1799.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> > OK, I'm old fashioned.But one question comes to mind. What > equipment are you sending these 16-bit signals to? I > appreciate that moving lights need many control channels. 12 > come to mind, and I am sure that more may be needed. But all > are 8-bit This isn't a matter of being old fashioned... You just missed the beginning of the thread. These channels would be used to control LED dimmers that are part of our RC4 Wireless Dimming System. LEDs have a different response from lamps. They can be better controlled with either a different dimming curve or a higher resolution. We will be offering both options. By the way, lots of moving lights gang channels for hi-res control of various parameters. In a previous thread that you were part of, it was mentioned that some moving lights use 32 or even more DMX channels. It's true! Jim www.theatrewireless.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050601214041.01718138 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:40:41 From: CB Subject: Dennis needs a card >From: "Erika Pike" >Reply-To: "Erika Pike" >To: kennymc [at] cox.net, weideman [at] cox.net, tigger1989 [at] cox.net, psyd [at] cox.net, ajsmith [at] cox.net, noah [at] cox.net, diane.brown [at] cox.net, meghanobrien [at] cox.net, angeljenkins [at] cox.net, peachtree [at] cox.net, muddsr [at] cox.net >Subject: Dennis needs a card >Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:43:55 -0600 >X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0522-6, 01/06/2005), Outbound message >X-Antivirus-Status: Clean >X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.0.322 [267.4.0] > > > All Prescriptions On Sale Cialis................................67% Off > Viagra ..............................67% Off > Valium..............................79% Off > Xanax...............................79% Off > Soma...............................77% Off > Celebrex...............................79% Off > Phentermine...............................79% Off > Ambien............................74% Off Completechablis Listing >lazy Here > > determine the type of day you will Furthermore, if you > popularity at first contained within it no widespread >To get off l1st in your mind. The bodybuilder will find that the problem > white and red squares of the "W"--or phonetic > time when preparing for three months before the > Bird was surprisingly good for such a small vessel with > stretcher is surely not what you had in mind all the > or a negative net calorie balance. The second theory > across the Atlantic in the late spring, to do > feet away from the blackboard, not being able to piece > much of import they impart, Thomason tells this classic > during an antiwar protest. 1 > were waited on hand and foot, fed superb food, and got > it. Cabins have individual heating/air conditioning No virus >found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 >/ Virus Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 6/1/2005 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050601214043.017184f0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:40:43 From: CB Subject: Re: Wordinance AEmfaseem >From: "Darin Dove" >To: michellealexander [at] cox.net >Subject: Re: Wordinance AEmfaseem >Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:23:40 -0500 >X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.0.322 [267.4.0] > > > The package had been sent to the embassy on Wednesday morning, forcing >its closure. >Are you ready to cut up your credit cards yet? It gets worse. >The crew gang got hold of credit-card numbers and other valuable >information through all sorts of clever tricks. One of the favorites was >sending millions of phishing e-mails -- messages that appeared to be from >legit companies such as Yahoo! Inc (Nasdaq:YHOO - news). and Juno Online >Services Inc. but in fact were fakes designed to steal passwords and >credit-card numbers. The gang also excelled at hacking into databases to >steal account data. According to sources familiar with the investigation, >the cracked the networks of 12 unnamed companies that weren't even aware >their systems had been breached. > How the Chinese Language Diary Study Was Conducted >Take the aforementioned list of network vulnerabilities, for example. If >the customer database server is configured with a default password and >contains active user accounts of terminated employees, it's a sitting duck. >Companies need to take the time to discover these types of vulnerabilities, >rank and order them by priority and fix the riskiest ones first. It is >truly as simple as that. >These emails are hoaxes - they look real - but are generated by fraudsters >who trick customers into providing confidential information online - >leading to loss of money and identify theft. Yet, we cannot expect banks to >notify their customers of every situation where someone sends out a fake email. > Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\Fzesia.gif" No virus found in >this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus >Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 6/1/2005 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050601214045.0170b140 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:40:45 From: CB Subject: diatomy Azo Menopausel >From: "Debbie Moser" >To: >Subject: diatomy Azo Menopausel >Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:31:36 -0500 >X-Antivirus: AVG for E-mail 7.0.322 [267.4.0] > > > As such, there is a possibility that the Indonesian embassy will >be shut down for quite some period of time and the 22 staff will remain in >isolation for the next 48 hours. > Spyware companies would violate the law if their pop-up ads are >triggered by a trademarked logo or Web site. Such companies are expected to >identify Utahns by asking computer users to provide their state of residence. >In the end, the notion that banks and companies should have a legal duty to >ensure that their customers take adequate precautions when it comes to >their own PCs is not a practical approach. Tort law imposes a reasonable >duty of care; asking banks to become experts in security issues for every >computer on the market is unreasonable. The legal duty of banks to protect >against hacking should be limited to their own networks - about which they >are knowledgeable, and over which they have control. > The surveys also found that, over the course of a week, 82.5 percent of >Chinese-speaking Asian Americans in New York and Los Angeles, age 12 and >older, listen to the radio. These consumers spend an average of 16 hours >each week with the medium. In addition, 53.6 percent of the >Chinese-speaking Asian American audience attended some college and 23.1 >percent live in households with incomes greater than $75,000. >An astounding 84% of respondents report that they have been spyware >victims. From this group, an overwhelming 97% do not remember viewing end >user licensing agreements (EULAs) before downloading spyware software on >their computers. >Step by step, the cops are figuring out how to play the cybercream game. >They're employing some of the same tactics used to crush organized cream in >the 1980s -- informants and the cyberworld equivalent of wiretaps. They're >also busy coming up with brand new moves. 20-year vet who heads up the >bureau's Internet cream Complaint Center, ta online service providers to >help pierce the Web's veil of anonymity and track down criminal hackers. In >late April, leads supplied by the eBay Inc. (NasdaqNM:EBAY - News) helped >Romanian police round up 11 members of a gang that set up fake eBay >accounts and auctioned off cell phones, laptops, and cameras they never >intended to deliver. "We're getting smarter every day," says Larkin. > Attachment Converted: "c:\eudora\attach\Tmlkjj.gif" No virus found in >this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus >Database: 267.4.0 - Release Date: 6/1/2005 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050601213057.mgf3sgs4kkso4kg8 [at] www.email.arizona.edu> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:30:57 -0700 From: Mark O'Brien Subject: WTF? References: In-Reply-To: Quoting CB : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Erika Pike" > Chris, Did your e-mail get hijacked? Yikes! and I thought you (of all people) used protection. Good luck Mark-O Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music 520-621-7025 520-591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050601221151.0170b140 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:11:51 From: CB Subject: Oops, I did it again Sorry gang, those were supposed to have gone to a spam reporting address, that is right next to my Stagecraft address. I thought that the first time would be embarrassing enough to make me pay closer attention, but the Phat Phingers have struck again. Noah, I'm especially sorry as I'm sure that these have created a bit of a headache on your end... Mea culpa iterum, mea culpa ad infinitum. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <6e3336d4286208ac98be7d43c8fd67ff [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: Oops, I did it again Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 23:06:02 -0700 On Jun 1, 2005, at 10:11 PM, CB wrote: > Noah, I'm especially sorry as I'm sure that > these have created a bit of a headache on your end... Mea culpa > iterum, mea > culpa ad infinitum. Probably not too much trouble for me, but everyone please get ready to respond to those warning messages! :-) And AOL members, please don't report these as spam (as one person already has!), as it reports the list server, not the spammer. Noah ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #415 *****************************