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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #446

 1. Re: Small Ellipsoidals
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 2. PDA
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
 3. Re: Building a Window
    by Al Fitch <fitchal [at] yahoo.com>
 4. Re: PDA
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 5. Re: who is ultimately responsible
    by "C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
 6. Re: Where does the responsibility lie?
    by "C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
 7. Re: Small Ellipsoidals
    by Ben <ben.travis [at] gmail.com>
 8. Re: Where does the responsibility lie?
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
 9. Live 8 We don't want your money, we want YOU
    by Seth Richardson <sarvernon [at] adelphia.net>
10. Re: Live 8 We don't want your money, we want YOU
    by Tony Miller <tonymille [at] gmail.com>
11. Re: Small Ellipsoidals
    by Jason Tollefson <jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com>
12. Re: Live 8 We don't want your money, we want YOU
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
13. Re: PDA
    by "Douglas McCracken" <dbasMcCracken [at] hawaii.rr.com>
14. Re: Small Ellipsoidals
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
15. Re: Where does the responsibility lie?
    by "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>

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From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Small Ellipsoidals
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 07:38:52 -0400
Message-ID: <001001c57efa$a0e43000$2f01a8c0 [at] pepys>
In-Reply-To: <list-23452372 [at] prxy.net>

No, the Micro=Ellipse is even smaller than the 3.5Q.  It's part of their
architectural line.

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Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 03:50:03 -1000
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
Subject: PDA
Message-id: <00bd01c57f0c$f2f402a0$c6354104 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p>
References: <list-23433794 [at] prxy.net>

What do you all recommend for a PDA.  I am looking for an inexpensive unit
that will interface with my PC and perhaps a MAC later.

I owuld like to have the basic address book, calndar and be able to do some
word processing.  Sketching / drawing would be a plus as well.

Thanks,

Paul

"I'm no good at golf. I know I'm going to hit another bad shot", Tom
forewarned.



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Message-ID: <20050702144402.41147.qmail [at] web51403.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 07:44:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Al Fitch <fitchal [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Building a Window
In-Reply-To: <list-22823807 [at] prxy.net>

The window I built for La Boheme went well.  I think
someone asked me to post how I did it.  

I took the suggestions from the list and added a
little bit of personal knowledge and some in shop help
from the hands on designer to make the 9'X10' window
rotate from vertical to about a 30 degree pitch to
form an interior set for La Boheme.

I made the frame out of 5/4 stock with a dado on
center in all 4 pieces.  Due to the height of the
stage/lack of rake in the audience the dadoed ends did
not really show much.

The muntins were made of 1-5/8" lattice 1/4" thick.  

The hard part for me was figuring out the placement of
the trim.  Some would ride with the window and some
with the platform/walls of the rotating set. 
Attaching some of the trim to the flats would act as
the stop for the window in both the vertical and
angled placement.  

I wish I could explain it better then that.  It worked
pretty well.  It looked great even though the director
was not able to envision the set complete so she
seemed surprised by a lot of it.  Fortunately that was
a discussion that the designer handled as we installed
the set.

It was a great experience that taught me that I need
to work on my angles a lot more!

Can anyone recommend construction books that can help
me with that?

Al in NY

PS I have some pictures of the window unit if anyone
would like me to email them to them.  

Be Kind, Smile and Have Fun.

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From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: PDA
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:58:14 -0400
Message-ID: <000201c57f16$7aebf7e0$2f01a8c0 [at] pepys>
In-Reply-To: <list-23461358 [at] prxy.net>

I'm using a Dell Axim which I like a lot.  I don't think you'll like
doing WP on any handheld, but the Dell's handwiting recognition is
impressive.

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What do you all recommend for a PDA.  I am looking for an inexpensive
unit that will interface with my PC and perhaps a MAC later.

I owuld like to have the basic address book, calndar and be able to do
some word processing.  Sketching / drawing would be a plus as well

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Date:	Sat, 02 Jul 2005 11:54:01 -0400
Subject: Re: who is ultimately responsible
From:	"C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
Message-ID: <BEEC30D9.19FED%brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
In-Reply-To: <20050702034132.52792.qmail [at] web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Brian wrote:

> The designer conceives a beautiful set. The TD,
> production manager and producer have extensive
> meetings with the design team, the equity SM, the
> director, and the run crew. According to those in the
> know, everything is within the parameters of all
> unions involved.
> When someone trips and falls on the set, who is
> responsible? Someone is, of course, because nobody
> trips on there own! Someone is to blame!

I believe you misread the original post.  No-one was hurt; the set was
simply built to an unacceptable rake by the PM/TD.  (And it's his fault,
BTW; as either PM _or_ TD, he should have known better.  Equity rules
concerning maximum rake aren't new or secret.  It was up to him to go back
to the designer and ask for revision to the rake.)

> We have
> become so sensitive to crap that we cannot live our
> lives without living in fear. I'm a damn good TD, but
> after reading some of he posts over the last few
> months, I'm beginning to wonder why any of us do the
> work we do. 

Perhaps it's time you took a break from reading the list?

Cris Dopher


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Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2005 12:17:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Where does the responsibility lie?
From:	"C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
Message-ID: <BEEC3646.19FEF%brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
In-Reply-To: <20050702035446.35024.qmail [at] web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

June Abernathy wrote:

> Who should be responsible? All of them - Producer,
> Designer, Production Manager, and Technical Director.

I disagree.

Your statement exemplifies the sort of attitudes that result in litigation
and the ends of four people's careers.  Spreading the blame to everyone in
the chain of command is irresponsible and lazy.  I'm not saying you
specifically, June, are being irresponsible, just that the amount of
verbiage you used to arrive at your conclusion smacks of ambulance-chasing
lawyers' rhetorical gymnastics.  In other words, Machiavelli himself could
not have made your conclusion sound more correct.  But it's still wrong.

Whatever the personal histories of the people involved or the unusual
circumstances of the production, the blame for the incorrectly built rake
lies squarely on the PM's shoulders.  The Producer hires a PM for a reason:
to watch over these issues, among others.  So the Producer is not at fault.
The designer's job is to design - and revise once asked to do so by someone
who checks the set drawings against Equity restrictions.  The designer is
not to blame, though perhaps is a little ignorant of realities.  The TD
might share blame for this kind of situation, but was not a part of the
process in this case; he's not to blame.

It is the PM's job - under every circumstance - to double-check details of
design for conformity to union codes, particularly Equity.  Missing
something as obvious as a too-steep rake is a gross oversight.  Whether or
not he built it too is irrelevant - the blame for the rake fiasco is the
PM's fault.

I don't think it's a firing offense, though -- nobody got hurt or died, for
one thing, and for another he was forced to break rule #3 (Don't Get
Distracted).

Cris Dopher


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Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 12:29:04 -0400
From: Ben <ben.travis [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: Ben <ben.travis [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Small Ellipsoidals
In-Reply-To: <list-23459565 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-23452372 [at] prxy.net> <list-23459565 [at] prxy.net>

I don't know how these compare to the 3.5, or the others mentioned,
but I saw one at the BLMC  exibitors set up. It may be in the range of
what you are looking for.

http://tinyurl.com/az6km


HTH,

-ben

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1f6.ce10dc9.2ff82b47 [at] aol.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:39:19 EDT
Subject: Re: Where does the responsibility lie?

In a message dated 02/07/05 04:55:43 GMT Daylight Time, jea00321 [at] yahoo.com 
writes:

> The answer is, unfortunately, it depends. There isn't
>  really a universal clear job description for a lot of
>  theater jobs, and, as was discussed on a recent
>  thread, "Production Manager" is one of the most fluid
>  of job descriptions. And who is in charge of making
>  sure you don't violate Equity rules? Well, generally
>  the Stage Manager and Equity Deputies in terms of
>  Rehearsals and staging, and often the Company Manager
>  or General Manager in terms of Housing, Transportation
>  and Payroll. But for Scene Design and Technical issues
>  in general? Not really well defined. I'd say
>  Production Manager heads the list, though.

It seems, from the postings on this and other threads, that the Production 
Manager has to be an exceptionally well-informed polymath. He or she has to know 
all the relevant OSHA rules, the Equity rules, the electrical, fire, and pyro 
codes, which seem to vary from state to state. Add in an understanding of 
structural engineering, flying techniques and other rigging, and Stage 
Management, and you have a miracle on two legs. It can't be done.

What is needed is to know the rules which must be obeyed, and an awareness of 
the rest. After that, experience and common sense take over. The ability to 
look at a set, perhaps with a bridge in it, and to think: "I don't like the 
looks of that bridge", and to ask an expert. So with electrical installations, 
rigging, and so on. Knowing good practice when you see it, and being suspicious 
of anything else. Knowing a bodge when you see it, too.

Mind you, experts are not always easily come by. Beware of the guy who says: 
"We've always done it that way. No problem!" You don't want to be the first 
one.


Frank Wood

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Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 14:31:17 -0400
Subject: Live 8 We don't want your money, we want YOU
From: Seth Richardson <sarvernon [at] adelphia.net>
Message-Id: <7AA3D888-EB27-11D9-B8DA-00050201851C [at] adelphia.net>

I'm sure some on this list worked or knows someone who worked one of 
the 10 Live 8 concerts.  If you don't know about it go to 
<http://www.live8live.com/> for info.   Then  Sign the Live 8 List  [at]  
<http://www.live8list.com/en/live8list.html>  After all it's one world. 
  Concerts Live on MTV, VH1, BBC and 200 + radio Stations

Thought we can help the world.  Now back to stagecraft.

Seth Richardson

Also go to <http://www.ONE.org>


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Message-ID: <ef724034050702161942e200f6 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 00:19:49 +0100
From: Tony Miller <tonymille [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: Tony Miller <tonymille [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Live 8 We don't want your money, we want YOU
In-Reply-To: <list-23465803 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-23465803 [at] prxy.net>

I've been watching the gigs from around the world and the one from
London was technically amazing. It seemed to do away with a standard
lighting rig but used projections which worked even in strong sunlight
(or least as strong as it gets in the UK). As it got dark it became
even better. Does anyone know how they did it.

Respect to everyone for taking part and giving their time

Tony Miller

On 02/07/05, Seth Richardson <sarvernon [at] adelphia.net> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>=20
> I'm sure some on this list worked or knows someone who worked one of
> the 10 Live 8 concerts.  If you don't know about it go to
> <http://www.live8live.com/> for info.   Then  Sign the Live 8 List  [at] 
> <http://www.live8list.com/en/live8list.html>  After all it's one world.
>   Concerts Live on MTV, VH1, BBC and 200 + radio Stations
>=20
> Thought we can help the world.  Now back to stagecraft.
>=20
> Seth Richardson
>=20
> Also go to <http://www.ONE.org>
>=20
>

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Message-ID: <20050702232352.68201.qmail [at] web51008.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 16:23:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jason Tollefson <jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com>
Reply-To: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com
Subject: Re: Small Ellipsoidals
In-Reply-To: <list-23458260 [at] prxy.net>

You might suggest the following link:

http://www.waclighting.com/main/html_track/low_voltage/track_low_009.html

it's low-voltage, Uses "D" size patterns, has framing shutters and measures only 13 inches long. 
I can't imagine you'll get much smaller. 

Jason Tollefson
www.tollefsondesigns.com

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Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2005 00:26:06 +0100 (BST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Live 8 We don't want your money, we want YOU
In-Reply-To: <list-23469031 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0507030024570.17244 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-23465803 [at] prxy.net> <list-23469031 [at] prxy.net>

On Sun, 3 Jul 2005, Tony Miller wrote:

> Respect to everyone for taking part and giving their time

Absolutely!  And thanks to Seth for posting the link...

>> <http://www.live8list.com/en/live8list.html>  After all it's one world.

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From: "Douglas McCracken" <dbasMcCracken [at] hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: RE: PDA
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 15:54:38 -1000
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA5RA21qhZtUKZk8ARC9sJzcKAAAAQAAAAYHWDeplI0UO/t6xmDW8X3wEAAAAA [at] hawaii.rr.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-23462278 [at] prxy.net>

I gotta agree with Jeffrey on this one, Paul. I've been using a Dell Axim
for almost a year now. (well, 9 months. But to some, THAT is a very long
time). It has Bluetooth and WIFI. I can even run lights on it.

Aloha,

Douglas

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf 
> Of Jeffrey E. Salzberg
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 4:58 AM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: PDA
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
> <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I'm using a Dell Axim which I like a lot.  I don't think 
> you'll like doing WP on any handheld, but the Dell's 
> handwiting recognition is impressive.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> What do you all recommend for a PDA.  I am looking for an 
> inexpensive unit that will interface with my PC and perhaps a 
> MAC later.
> 
> I owuld like to have the basic address book, calndar and be 
> able to do some word processing.  Sketching / drawing would 
> be a plus as well
> 
> --
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Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 19:56:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Small Ellipsoidals
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>
Cc: jason [at] tollefsondesigns.com

> it's low-voltage, Uses "D" size patterns, has framing shutters and
> measures only 13 inches long.
> I can't imagine you'll get much smaller.

That is about the size of the 3.5Q, which varies from about 12" to 15"
depending on lens barrel and focus adjustment.

Bill




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Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 20:20:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Where does the responsibility lie?
From: "Bill Nelson" <billn [at] peak.org>


> It is the PM's job - under every circumstance - to double-check details of
> design for conformity to union codes, particularly Equity.  Missing
> something as obvious as a too-steep rake is a gross oversight.  Whether or
> not he built it too is irrelevant - the blame for the rake fiasco is the
> PM's fault.

I have to partially disagree. Any set designer who designs for Equity
needs to know the union rules. Set rake is only one of the many
restrictions that exist. To blindly design an expensive set without making
sure that the rules are being met is, to me, irresponsible.

Yes, the PM should also share responsibility.

Bill





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