Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 23701838; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:01:07 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #458 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:00:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, TW_QF,TW_SQ autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #458 1. Re: Dressing Room issue/question... by Dale Farmer 2. Re: rec.audio.pro list by Dave Reynolds 3. Re: rec.audio.pro list by Dale Farmer 4. by Paul Marsland 5. Re: by "Michael Diederich" 6. Dressing rooms by b Ricie 7. Re: Inexpensive Flooring Systems? by "Michael Diederich" 8. Sprung floor by b Ricie 9. odd stuff found in theatres by b Ricie 10. Re: Dressing rooms - modesty, & office space. by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 11. Re: odd stuff found in theatres by "Jerry Durand" 12. Re: odd stuff found in theatres - and beyond! by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 13. Re: odd stuff found in theatres by "Paul Schreiner" 14. Re: odd stuff found in theatres - and beyond! by Jerry Durand 15. fire proofing by "David R. Krajec" 16. Re: by "Paul Schreiner" 17. Re: odd stuff found in theatres by "Hofmann, Christopher" 18. inexpensive flooring by "David R. Krajec" 19. Re: odd stuff found in theatres by "Jon Ares" 20. Re: fire proofing by Steve Larson 21. Re: Dressing Room issue/question... by "Michael Finney" 22. Re: fire proofing by "Secore, Scott" 23. Re: odd stuff found in theatres by IAEG [at] aol.com 24. Re: odd stuff found in theatres by "MIke Katz" 25. Re: Dressing Room issue/question... by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 26. Re: Inexpensive Flooring Systems? by "Peter Scheu" 27. Re: Scrim too high by "C. Dopher" 28. Re: odd stuff found in theatres by "Tony Deeming" 29. Re: Dressing rooms - modesty, & office space. by "Tony Deeming" 30. Re: rec.audio.pro list by Noah Price 31. Re: Dressing Room issue/question... by June Abernathy 32. Re[2]: large air tank needed by "Frank E. Merrill" 33. Finding Stuff by "Randy Whitcomb" 34. Re: Sprung floor by Patrick McCreary 35. Accountant, anybody? by "Andy Leviss" 36. Re: odd stuff found in theatres by "Bill Nelson" 37. Re: Accountant, anybody? by Bill Sapsis 38. Re: large air tank needed by Daniel Kelly 39. Re: sound question by CB 40. Re: Sprung floor by "Bill Nelson" 41. Re: fire proofing by Seth Richardson *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <42D65A0D.36F28B71 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:26:54 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Dressing Room issue/question... References:

Bill Nelson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > I'm not worried so much about "actors" as I am touring music acts, etc. > > For > > example, we are looking to bring in Patty Loveless and Kathy Mattea. They > > have bands that have male members. They are female "stars". Not sure how > > that will play out yet. > > If you have a large enough loading dock, you can put a small walled tent > on the dock for the male band members. > > A lot of the bands travel in one or more buses - which can be used for > dressing facilities if necessary. All they need is parking with ready > access to the stage. > > Bill And power, drinking water, and sewerage hookups. Phone lines and internet access port if you are feeling ritzy. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42D65EEF.9020500 [at] macalester.edu> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:47:43 -0500 From: Dave Reynolds Subject: Re: rec.audio.pro list Hi, I saw a post on the list that referred to rec.audio.pro. How do I subscribe to this list? Thanks! Dave Reynolds -- A man finds joy in giving an apt reply - and how good is a timely word! --Proverbs 15:23, New International Version Dave Reynolds Media Services Macalester College 1600 Grand Ave. St. Paul, MN 55105 voice: (651) 696-6378 fax: (651) 696-6304 reynolds [at] macalester.edu DV Cassie with lots of fonts and effects, KRON and Final Cut Pro. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42D666B0.B9E5DBC2 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:20:49 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: rec.audio.pro list References: Dave Reynolds wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, > > I saw a post on the list that referred to rec.audio.pro. How do I > subscribe to this list? > > Thanks! > > Dave Reynolds It is a usenet news group. Look at your internet service provider's How to connect page. Look for their news server. Use your mail reader client to zubscribe to the news server, then pull down the list of all the groups it serves. ( This may take a while, a full news feed has tens of thousands of individual news groups. ) Then use your search tools for keywords like audio, stagecraft, and any other subjects you may find interesting. Warning, any group that has the words sex, binaries, or photo in the name will likely contain non-work safe images. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050714145520.9478.qmail [at] web52215.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland A few things about this; 1 - as pointed out, I can't imagine vinyl tile as a good solution -- it's success depends on having a solid base (the opposite of a sprung floor) 2 - between the concrete floor and the first course of lumber, I would suggest 1/2" neoprene chunks cut to fit under the lumber, which you can get from McMaster Carr for around $12 sqft but much cheaper and cut to custom size if you have a local plastics and rubber warehouse. 3 - we had masonite for one of our stages and found that tape peeled layers of the floor up with every show. We painted the floor black 6-8 times a year ($264 in labor, plus materials, but we didn't use the roller-cleaner-thingy ;), only to ruin the paint job with the next bit of tape that was pulled up (this was difficult to take in a busy roadhouse). Two years ago we replaced the masonite with "Stageboard Flooring" from Renew Resources. 100% recycled plastic, black through and through, 1/4" and 3/8" in 4 x 8 sheets. Quite frankly, it is next to miraculous. You can contact me directly for more details if you like. Paul __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:11:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Michael Diederich" >>>>>> Two years ago we replaced the masonite with "Stageboard Flooring" from Renew Resources. 100% recycled plastic, black through and through, 1/4" and 3/8" in 4 x 8 sheets.=20 Quite frankly, it is next to miraculous. You can contact me directly for more details if you like.<<<<<<< But can you screw into it without ruining the flooring? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050714151819.62928.qmail [at] web50605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:18:18 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: Dressing rooms In-Reply-To: As a seasoned Road TD I can safely say information is key. Put a Picture in your tech specs and be sure to mention the issue during any advancing calls. The world on the road is only ideal in very few places that had large budgets when they were built. For the most part the road shows will have had something to deal with at every stop. The dressing room issue will be that something at your venue. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Inexpensive Flooring Systems? Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:22:51 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Michael Diederich" I'm looking into different ways of repairing/replacing/refinishing our stage floor right now, but nothing really appeals to all people involved.=20 We have the "high school" pine board floor (painted hi-gloss black) in a venue that sees 20 times the amount of use. It's gotten chewed up pretty good in the last three or so years. I want to throw masonite down, the facilities department wants to just re-paint it, and the administration wants to get in refinished and then re-paint it.=20 There are plenty of other options, and I've been chosen to research and price out some of these options. Any other ideas...as usual money will probably be the deciding factor, but I'm willing to entertain anything at this early stage. Thanks!!! Mike Diederich Theater Technical Asst. Mohawk Valley Community College Utica, NY ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050714152824.26983.qmail [at] web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: Sprung floor In-Reply-To: Top the floor with MASONITE not TILE. No varnish on the maso just paint. As far as expense goes, I would guess that maso is less expensive up front cost, less labor for installation, and easier to fix down the road. Maso, Maso, Maso... Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050714154026.68195.qmail [at] web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:40:26 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: odd stuff found in theatres In-Reply-To: I have a friend who and an office next to a cobalt 40 room. YUP Cobalt 40. After a few years of complaining to the safety officer they finally had a crew come remove it in the middle of the night. The Opera house in Boston also had(not sure if they are still there since the renovations) Brand new never been used boilers in the basement. I understand that just after they were installed the city went to steam and the boilers were never used. As a teacher I always encouraged the students to exploit their resources and that EVERYTHING was a resource. We (as a class) would make routine trips down to the green barn behind maintenance. That is where the school would hold all the stuff before it went to the dump. Many o time the green barn would provide what I was looking for,even if I was not sure WHAT I was looking for. Exploit your surroundings, sometimes a simple walk around campus can turn into a shopping spree (or shopping free as the case may be.) Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F1602015C [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: RE: Dressing rooms - modesty, & office space. Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:44:41 -0700 > Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:41:22 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: Dressing Room issue/question... > From: "Bill Nelson" > > > Many years ago, I spent some time at UBC in British Columbia. I was > staying in a co-ed dorm - where the rest rooms were co-ed. There never > seemed to be any problem - the one or two very modest persons just waited > until the middle of the night when traffic was low to take their showers. > > Bill > What, no doors on the shower stalls? My dorms at University of Victoria: 3 floors, guys on the bottom/ground floor, women above. We had 2 shower stalls with doored cubicles, and shower curtains, and 2 bathtubs. The girls had two shower stalls, and 2 sets of urinals. (can you say change of intended design?) The most immodest couple enjoyed the shower together . . . Our theatre (built 7 years ago, from scratch) has 7 dressing rooms (4 2-4 people rooms and 3 'chorus' rooms)for 2 theatres. The larger dressing rooms have shower stalls with only a curtain in front, and NO TOILETS! They designed 2 common area toilets backstage, and the 4 smaller change rooms have toilets, but try telling that to the 100 member symphony, and the choir, and the 30 member cast/production team of students in the second theatre space. (Thank you B*** Th**) They intended our "world class concert hall" to be operated by only 2 people: Director of Admin (sales and bookings) and Director of Facilities (technical). There are 2 offices, plus a box office. So, there are now 8 people in the Admin office (cubicle land), 3 in the Box Office office (separate from the Box Office where the tickets are sold), 3 in the Tech Office (was supposed to be the storage room), 1 each in the sound and light booth (although I'm going to share the Lighting booth with the soon to be hired Head Carpenter (watch this space in the near future for the job posting), the IT guy is in a closet in the basement, next to the orchestra pit, and 1 more in a 4x7 "stage door security room". Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre, UBC ------------------------------ Message-ID: <59766.127.0.0.1.1121356651.squirrel [at] localhost> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: odd stuff found in theatres From: "Jerry Durand" On Thu, July 14, 2005 8:40 am, b Ricie wrote: > I have a friend who and an office next to a cobalt 40 > room. YUP Cobalt 40. After a few years of complaining > to the safety officer they finally had a crew come > remove it in the middle of the night. I was a general troublemaker when I worked in semiconductor R&D. I complained about "little" things like: The emergency shower being piled high with glass bottles of acids, bases, and solvents. The workers said it was too far to carry them back to the separate safety cabenets in the hallway. Another emergency shower with a PVC pipe running through it right about where you'd expect a hand rail. The pipe was marked "arsenic". I finall= y got them to at least put a metal cage around the pipe so you couldn't break it. I really didn't like those drips coming out of the ceiling that ate holes in your desk. I also didn't like seeing people in Scott Air Packs running past my offic= e door without hearing any alarms going off. Oh yes, the "distilled water" that fizzed when it was spilled on the grou= nd. ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: odd stuff found in theatres - and beyond! Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:22:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050714162222.WMBO27508.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> > Exploit your surroundings, sometimes > a simple walk around campus can turn into a shopping spree > (or shopping free as the case may be.) An OT extension of the same thing... Every week on garbage day I walk around my neighborhood and find perfectly good toys for my 4-year-old daughter. This includes some really good outdoor Little Tikes stuff -- a slide, bench, short basketball hoop, little kitchen, little change table, and two different designs of eisel. All were somewhat dirty but cleaned up like new. One day I found 5 different yellow dump trucks, all in different places. They make a really fun set. Getting all this plastic junk for free lets me spend my money on educational stuff -- books, Lego, puzzles, Mechano, etc. Jim ------------------------------ Subject: RE: odd stuff found in theatres Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:37:48 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C86B [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > I have a friend who and an office next to a cobalt 40 > room. YUP Cobalt 40. After a few years of complaining > to the safety officer they finally had a crew come > remove it in the middle of the night.=20 Okay, I'll admit it. I'm clueless. What's a "cobalt 40 room"? ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050714093559.029db2a8 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:36:47 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: odd stuff found in theatres - and beyond! In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <5C9A7D48-EA26-4367-8239-C8F44A7E6271 [at] theprices.net> From: Noah Price Subject: Re: rec.audio.pro list Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:29:07 -0700 On Jul 14, 2005, at 6:20 AM, Dale Farmer wrote: > Dave Reynolds wrote: > >> I saw a post on the list that referred to rec.audio.pro. How do I >> subscribe to this list? > It is a usenet news group. Look at your internet service > provider's > How to connect page. .... If you don't want to deal with figuring out the news reader, you can also read it through Google's web interface: Noah ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050714192927.64039.qmail [at] web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:29:27 -0700 (PDT) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: Dressing Room issue/question... One large dressing room may well be a problem if you have any kind of AEA tours coming in - most (all?) contracts require separate dressing rooms for men and women. Most (all?) also require separate toilet facilities for men and women. You can probably satisfy at least the dressing room portion of that by splitting the room with tall folding screens or pipe and drape, as others have suggested, particularly if you don't have to pass through one or the other to get to the bathroom. (or, if there are other bathrooms that can be used.) Since this will probably be a frequent issue, you might want to hang permanent curtain track for at least the "splitting the room in half" option, and maybe for the "create a private space out of one corner" option. When desperate on a kid show tour one time, wtuck with a single dressing room, I used rolling wardrobe racks to create a dividing wall. You might consider building rolling wardrobe gondolas out of plywood that you can position as room dividers while also providing hanging space for clothes. This gives you some flexibility, since rearranging them will let you create a variety of configurations, including the "all shoved up against the outside walls" open room option. If you hinge a tabletop with fold down legs to the back of each, you have instant dressing room stations available for the other side of the room. Alternating a wall of them gives a combination of tables and hanging areas for both sides, or they can go up against the wall with one side or the other available. Although a lot of performers are pretty cool about co-ed changes, I think it's nice to offer at least the option of a divided space. What performers will make do with if they have to and what they should actually have are separate things. I think touring musical acts with a Star are definately going to want a separate space for them. I really like the idea of an RV for that. And finally, let me agree with everyone else by saying that it's really important that you let any group coming in know what the deal will be ahead of time. June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:58:43 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1608316959.20050714145843 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re[2]: large air tank needed In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Wednesday, July 13, 2005, Chip Wood wrote: > how often do you have to be told to wander around your backstage? For that matter, take a flatbed dolly around campus sometime and gather up all the counterweights that have been "borrowed" for use as door stops! Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c588af$b7db8b00$6401a8c0 [at] attbi.com> From: "Randy Whitcomb" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) References:

Subject: Finding Stuff Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:07:51 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank E. Merrill" > For that matter, take a flatbed dolly around campus sometime and > gather up all the counterweights that have been "borrowed" for use as > door stops! I have to go around to the classrooms and retrieve the music stands being used as lecterns. One year I picked up a dozen. Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:37:36 -0400 From: Patrick McCreary Subject: Re: Sprung floor In-reply-to: Message-id: <6.2.0.14.1.20050714173210.01ca1578 [at] incoming.verizon.net> References:

Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Sprung floor From: "Bill Nelson" http://www.arts.iup.edu/facthe/gpatrick/instructions/duron%20instructions.htm Is there any reason these cannot be screwed down? Bill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:00:31 -0400 Subject: Re: fire proofing From: Seth Richardson In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5E8D592C-F4ED-11D9-88FE-00050201851C [at] adelphia.net> On Thursday, July 14, 2005, at 01:40 PM, David R. Krajec wrote: > Are there any companies in the NYC area that specialize in theatrical > scenery fireproofing? Not curtains. Scenery. > Try the people at N.Y. Fire-Shield There not in the NYC but they are in New York and I'm sure will travel to you. They are certified in NYC, CA and NJ Casino. Seth Richardson ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #458 *****************************