Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 23768351; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 03:00:31 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #462 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 03:00:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #462 1. Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" by "LES LIND" 2. Timber rostra. by "Tony Deeming" 3. Re: Timber rostra. by "Simon Shuker" 4. Re: can anyone identify this play? by tomgrab 5. airstar balloons by Dorian Kelly 6. Re: Balloon by "C. Dopher" 7. Re: can anyone identify this play? by Tom Grabowski 8. Re: airstar balloons by "Michael S. Eddy" 9. Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" by "Michael S. Eddy" 10. Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" by "Jon Ares" 11. Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" by Steve Larson 12. Free and Cheap CAD by doran [at] bard.edu 13. Re: Sprung floor "tempered hardboard!" by "Cara Sloat" 14. Production Electrician, and an Audio Lead needed asap in NYC by Herrick Goldman 15. CADD Symbols by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 16. Duncan Appleton/GL/York/CA is out of the office. by Duncan Appleton/GL/York/CA 17. Re: Timber rostra. by "Bill Nelson" 18. Re: Timber rostra. by "Tony Deeming" 19. Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" by Stuart Wheaton 20. Re: Balloon by Stuart Wheaton *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 07:25:04 -0400 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" Some years ago, November 2001, I received a sample of a floor decking called "Stagelam" produced by GRT Genesis, Inc. The website on the business card is www.grtgenesis.com. IIRC the price was around $55 for a 4x8 sheet, then. We couldn't talk the district into buying it even if we got some dad's to help install it. Les Lind, TD NHS Dramatics Northeastern High School Manchester, PA >>> brooklyn [at] dopher.com 7/16/05 12:19 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On 7/15/05 5:23 PM, "Jon Ares" wrote: >> THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS DURON anymore. > <> >> THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MASONITE. > > > So... what's left out there? What are we supposed to use? (He asks, > plaintively to the wind.) I've got 2 theatres reaching completion in 9 > months, both spec'd to be floored with a Masonite or Duron-like material. Didn't somebody mention a plastic-material substitute they were using? Could that info be posted again? Cris Dopher ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: Timber rostra. Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:43:55 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Here's another semi-intelligent question..... (almost!) I recently enquired with my usual (UK) stage supplier about replacing our timber foldable rostra - we have 4 at 8ft by 2ft by 18 ins high. I was told that such beasts were no longer supplied because of the 'dangers of trapping fingers in them when they fold'....!!! We'd have to for steel deck or lite deck or whatever. Is it just me, or is this yet another of the wholesale crazy CYA brigade's attempts to molly coddle and 'protect' us against day to day hazards??? I honestly can't recall a SINGLE case where anyone in our theatre has ever complained about getting a nip from a folding rostra. It has happened, yes, but seldom to the same person more than a couple of times, as they LEARN from their handling errors! Anyone have any comments? I would also be interested to hear whether any of the UK based listers have any contacts for folding timber rostra, as I much prefer them to the potentially bulky steel/lite deck alternatives - they'll store better and are probably easier to manage in a venue with limited wings/storage space. Cheers Ynot ------------------------------ From: "Simon Shuker" Subject: RE: Timber rostra. Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 17:02:15 +0400 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050718130223.514735828 [at] mail05.powweb.com> Tony, John Henry's (the backline and sound company) used to make their own out of steel, which although still foldable would probably last longer than wood if replacing them in the future. http://www.johnhenrys.com/ Hope that helps. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Tony Deeming Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 4:44 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Timber rostra. For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Here's another semi-intelligent question..... (almost!) I recently enquired with my usual (UK) stage supplier about replacing our timber foldable rostra - we have 4 at 8ft by 2ft by 18 ins high. I was told that such beasts were no longer supplied because of the 'dangers of trapping fingers in them when they fold'....!!! We'd have to for steel deck or lite deck or whatever. Is it just me, or is this yet another of the wholesale crazy CYA brigade's attempts to molly coddle and 'protect' us against day to day hazards??? I honestly can't recall a SINGLE case where anyone in our theatre has ever complained about getting a nip from a folding rostra. It has happened, yes, but seldom to the same person more than a couple of times, as they LEARN from their handling errors! Anyone have any comments? I would also be interested to hear whether any of the UK based listers have any contacts for folding timber rostra, as I much prefer them to the potentially bulky steel/lite deck alternatives - they'll store better and are probably easier to manage in a venue with limited wings/storage space. Cheers Ynot ------------------------------ From: tomgrab Subject: RE: can anyone identify this play? Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 17:18:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20050717171846484.00000000212 [at] s0022926486> >Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:08:31 -0400 >Subject: Re: can anyone identify this play? >From: Ruth Neeman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >I recently came across an Italian movie where the lead character was pla= ying an actress going back to work after a >long time. She auditions and gets a part in a play that looked very inter= esting. It features 4 characters two men and >two women. The two guys are = playing two aspects of the same character and the two women are also playin= g one woman >character.. There is a scene when all four are in bed and the alter ego ch= aracters are sort of coaching the other two >characters what to say and how to behave - does this ring a bell with anyo= ne? Thanks = It sounds like a David Ives piece, which one I am not sure. I have done a = number of them and not always in the playbook order. I'll check tomorrow w= hen I am back in the office. *** Tom Grabowski University of Texas-Pan American Designer/Technical Director Communication Department Tomgrab [at] utpa.edu Edinburg, Texas 78541 956/381-3588 FAX 956/381-2187 ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 15:30:32 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: airstar balloons Does anyone have a source in the UK to hire, or maybe buy airstar balloons? These are helium filled with a discharge lamp inside for wide area site lighting. dorian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:38:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Balloon From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 7/17/05 10:37 PM, "Seth Richardson" wrote: > > On Sunday, July 17, 2005, at 09:17 PM, C. Dopher wrote: > >> I need a glow-in-the-dark balloon that I can pop without leaving >> residue. >> Anyone got any ideas? > > I would think if you where to use some glow in the dark paint very thin > and let it dry on it. Shouldn't leave any residue. > > Now I must point out that popping balloon with out safety glass would > be considered very dangerous. You should worn the actors of this and > have them sign a wavier. ER and eye doctors cost TONS cash and after > all of that they could still sue you. I know this may sound overkill > but I'm sure someone here will have a story about popping a balloon. Not up to me. It's already staged and they go through a latex balloon everytime they run the opening bit. I've seen latex balloons that were clear with glow-in-the-dark stars, but that isn't what's called for here. At the moment, the director is having some artiste friend do a fancy paint-job on other balloons (which will not be popped) with vibrant glow-in-the-dark paint. I stressed to her that it can't be flourescent paint...it has to be charge-it-in-the-light kind of paint. We'll see what she brings in, I guess. Cris Dopher, LD ------------------------------ From: Tom Grabowski Reply-To: tomgrab [at] utpa.edu Subject: Re: can anyone identify this play? Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 09:43:57 -0500 Organization: UTPA Message-ID: <20050718094357765.00000001360 [at] TGRABOWSKI> >Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:08:31 -0400 >Subject: Re: can anyone identify this play? >From: Ruth Neeman >I recently came across an Italian movie where the lead character was pla= ying an actress going back to work after >along time. She auditions and gets a part in a play that looked very inte= resting. It features 4 characters two men >and two women. The two guys are playing two aspects of the same character = and the two women are also playing one >woman character. There is a scene when all four are in bed and the alter e= go characters are sort of coaching the other >two characters what to say an= d how to behave - does this ring a bell with anyone? Thanks Could it be the _Enigma Variations_ by David Ives, published in _Lives of = the Saints_? *** Tom Grabowski University of Texas-Pan American Designer/Technical Director Communication Department Tomgrab [at] UTPA.edu Edinburg, Texas 78541 956/381-3588 FAX 956/318-2187 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Cc: dorian [at] essex.ac.uk ('Dorian Kelly') Subject: RE: airstar balloons Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 10:51:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: Dorian wrote: >Does anyone have a source in the UK to hire, or maybe buy airstar=20 >balloons? These are helium filled with a discharge lamp inside for=20 >wide area site lighting. Dorian, Here is the information that I dug up. (Boy is there website tough to navigate or what?) AIRSTAR UK Tim Davies 13 Meadow View, Crendon Industrial Park, Long Crendon, Buckinghamshire, HP18 9EQ - UK tel +44 1844 203640 fax +44 1844 203649 info [at] airs tar.co.uk Headquarters / Manufacturer AIRSTAR - ZA de Champ 7 Laux, 38190 Champ-Pr=E8s-Froges - FRANCE tel +33 (0)4 76 13 12 20 / fax +33 (0)4 76 13 12 21 info [at] airstar-light.com http://www.airstar-light.com/uk/main.php3 I hope this helps. Michael Eddy Eddy Marketing & Consulting ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: RE: Sprung Floor "Duron" Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:14:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: Les Lind wrote: >Some years ago, November 2001, I received a sample of a floor decking >called "Stagelam" produced by GRT Genesis, Inc. The website on the >business card is www.grtgenesis.com. IIRC the price was around $55 for a >4x8 sheet, then. We couldn't talk the district into buying it even if we >got some dad's to help install it. I couldn't find info on Stagelam on the Genesis website, but Genesis has a separate website for Stagelam at: http://www.stagelam.com/ Contact info for their main office is: 173 Glidden Road Brampton, Ontario Canada L6W 3L9 Tel: (905) 452-0552 Fax: (905) 452-8217 1-800-361-1698 Has anyone on the list used this product? I reiterate Jon Ares' question, what are people using to replace Masonite and Duron for stage flooring? Michael Eddy Eddy Marketing & Consulting ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001d01c58bac$8e40e2e0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Cc: mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com References: Subject: Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:22:48 -0700 > I couldn't find info on Stagelam on the Genesis website, but Genesis has a > separate website for Stagelam at: > Has anyone on the list used this product? I reiterate Jon Ares' question, > what are people using to replace Masonite and Duron for stage flooring? ...And I reiterate someone else's question - can you drive a screw into this stuff? What happens if you do? Or more importantly, what does it look like when you take the screw out? A crater or volcano? These synthetic flooring systems would be a great thing if you've got a road house where you don't allow fastening of scenery to the deck, and you need a pristine black showroom floor. But what about workhorse theatres? Theatres where they want to paint the deck, and attach to it? With no Maso or Duron, should we spec MDO? (But I can imagine that paper side is not going to withstand too much use.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:52:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Go to the website and look under installation. Steve > From: "Jon Ares" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:22:48 -0700 > To: "Stagecraft" > Cc: mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com > Subject: Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> I couldn't find info on Stagelam on the Genesis website, but Genesis has a >> separate website for Stagelam at: >> Has anyone on the list used this product? I reiterate Jon Ares' question, >> what are people using to replace Masonite and Duron for stage flooring? > > > ...And I reiterate someone else's question - can you drive a screw into this > stuff? What happens if you do? Or more importantly, what does it look like > when you take the screw out? A crater or volcano? > > These synthetic flooring systems would be a great thing if you've got a road > house where you don't allow fastening of scenery to the deck, and you need a > pristine black showroom floor. But what about workhorse theatres? Theatres > where they want to paint the deck, and attach to it? With no Maso or Duron, > should we spec MDO? (But I can imagine that paper side is not going to > withstand too much use.) > > - Jon Ares > www.hevanet.com/acreative > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1121703508.42dbd654b9958 [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:18:28 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Subject: Free and Cheap CAD Hey, all, Since people ask so often about cheap and free CAD programs, I thought I'd post this set of responses from the Woodworkers Journal e-zine. I have not used any of this, so this is just passing info along Hope this helps, Andy Champ-Doran A question on where to find cheap CAD programs elicited a lot of helpful suggestions. � Editor "I have found that DeltaCAD is a very good, inexpensive CAD program. A demo version is available for free at: http://www.dcad.com. It is only good for 45 days, but the permanent version is only $40. It doesn't have some of the bells and whistles of the $400+ CAD programs, but it is more than sufficient for most woodworkers and, more importantly, it is very easy to learn." � Jim Quarles "You should mention that if you are a student learning a CAD program, there is a good chance you can buy a student copy of the program at a sharply reduced rate. These are generally full-blown versions, but maybe one version older than the current version. That shouldn't make much difference to the casual user." � Harvey Ridgeway "I use one called CAD Standard. There is both a free version and a pro version ($25.00). It doesn't do 3D modeling but, for the price, it will affordably do plans for just about any DIY project. Did I mention it's easy to learn? Check it out at http://www.cadstd.com" � Frank McCourry "I use Smart Draw. It's not a full-blown CAD program per se, but it's mouse- driven and very easy to learn. The basic program is downloaded free from www.samrtdraw.com, but once you are hooked on it you may purchase the full version 7 for $99.00." � Charlie Schuler "We have been using TurboCAD for over 10 years. It is cheaper and a lot easier to use than most, and has more features than most others. The Deluxe version is available at $130 from www.turbocad.com" � John Freeman "Another one to research is solid edge at www.solid-edge.com. They used to have a free version of their 2D draft program." � Larrry Nunn ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Sprung floor "tempered hardboard!" Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:26:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cara Sloat" I was the one who initially asked about cheap, recommended stage floor materials. My research indicated that tempered hardboard (i.e. masonite) is available under a variety of trade names, including Fibrex, Duratex, from http://www.internationalhardboard.com/, etc. As some have mentioned, these are often sold as "masonite", just like facial tissues are often sold as "kleenex". So if you have a "masonite" floor and hope to replace it with same in the future, don't worry, you can. Thanks to everyone who has replied, you have helped make our project a better building, and educated our entire design team as to our options. _________________________ Cara Sloat Designer =20 Sustainable EDGE Ltd. 285 Yorkland Blvd.=20 Toronto ON. M2J 1S5 416.488.4425 x 242 =20 csloat [at] s-edge.com=20 www.s-edge.com=20 =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:13:28 -0400 Subject: Production Electrician, and an Audio Lead needed asap in NYC From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: Folks I'm posting for a friend. Please respond directly to him. Message follows: Sorry for the mass e-mail blast...but I am somewhat last minute production managing a show called "Joy" loading into the Actors Playhouse (Off Broadway A, West Village location) this coming Friday 22 July and find myself in much need of a: Production Master Electrican & Lead Audio. I also may need a light board programmer (who will serve on electrics crew) and other audi and electrics crew but I am mostly worried about getting these crew cheifs for our load-in and tech. The sound desginer is mostly not available and so the lead audio will also being working as an asst. sound designer. If you have any leads on folks who might be looking for some work, please contact me (or have them contact me) ASAP. Pay rates are reasonable. Time committment will be heaviest this coming Friday through Monday. 1st public performance is the following Sunday 31 July and we have show electrician and ops starting at the point. E-mail can be sent to this address. My voicemail is: 212-802-9754 I can also be reached on cell phone at 646-660-1767 (but voicemail is still best for leaving me messages.) Thanks in advance! Scott -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: CADD Symbols Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:45:24 -0400 Message-ID: <004801c58bc0$7e52e270$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: Someone was recently asking about CADD symbols. The file on http://www.jeffsalzberg.com has recently been updated to include Source 4s, Source 4 Juniors, Altman Shakespeares, and Strand SLs. It's available in DXF, DWG, and PDF formats. Still missing are LED fixtures, Parnels, and Star PARs. Click on "Original Articles and Software". ------------------------------ Subject: Duncan Appleton/GL/York/CA is out of the office. From: Duncan Appleton/GL/York/CA Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:01:02 -0400 I will be out of the office starting 07/07/2005 and will not return until 02/08/2005. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3539.64.28.62.71.1121718490.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Timber rostra. From: "Bill Nelson" > I recently enquired with my usual (UK) stage supplier about replacing our > timber foldable rostra - we have 4 at 8ft by 2ft by 18 ins high. Is there any specific reason they have to be replaced, rather than rebuilt? Bill ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Timber rostra. Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:30:15 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Bill > Nelson > Sent: 18 July 2005 21:28 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Timber rostra. > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > I recently enquired with my usual (UK) stage supplier about > replacing our > > timber foldable rostra - we have 4 at 8ft by 2ft by 18 ins high. > > Is there any specific reason they have to be replaced, rather > than rebuilt? > > Bill > > Age, basically. They've been around longer than I have, and have not always been treated with respect! I reckon if I tried to repair them I'd spend more time and money than I would if I started from scratch and built new ones myself!! One thing that's been suggested about the 'need' to replace them is of course that you can't put an SWL figure on timber, or so I'm led to believe.... Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42DC54CC.50307 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:18:04 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" References: In-Reply-To: Michael S. Eddy wrote: > I reiterate Jon Ares' question, > what are people using to replace Masonite and Duron for stage flooring? > 1/4" lauan has always been my product of choice. Unless you have massive long runs or very heavy wagons, it will do quite well. Another option would be MDF in 1/4" or in 1/2" Just seal the MDF well to keep the mop water from making it bubble. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42DC56CC.3050302 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:26:36 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Balloon References: In-Reply-To: Seth Richardson wrote: I know this may sound overkill but I'm > sure someone here will have a story about popping a balloon. > And the odds say the sig file is longer than the story... ;-) ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #462 *****************************