Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 23786299; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:01:07 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #463 Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 03:00:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #463 1. Sprung Floor "Duron" by 2. Lauan to steel by Michael Heinicke 3. Re: Lauan to steel by Dale Farmer 4. Creative use of storage space? by "Paul Schreiner" 5. Re: Creative use of storage space? by Stephen Litterst 6. fire at North Shore Music Theater by Nathan Kahn 7. Re: Creative use of storage space? by "Paul Schreiner" 8. Re: Creative use of storage space? by "Jon Ares" 9. Re: Inexpensive Flooring Systems? by Greg Bierly 10. Re: Creative use of storage space? by Stephen Litterst 11. Re: Creative use of storage space? by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 12. Re: Lauan to steel by doran [at] bard.edu 13. Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" by Steve Larson 14. Re: Creative use of storage space? by "Maurice Moe Conn" 15. Re: Creative use of storage space? by "Robert Bruemmer" 16. Re: Creative use of storage space? by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 17. Balloon by CB 18. Re: odd stuff found in theatres/port-a-keg by CB 19. Re: odd stuff found in theatres/port-a-keg by Dale Farmer 20. Re: odd stuff found in theatres/port-a-keg by "Davis, Thomas J" 21. Re: Balloon by Steve Larson 22. Re: Balloon by Jerry Durand 23. Re: odd stuff found in theatres/port-a-keg by Wood Chip-P26398 24. Re: Balloon by "Jon Ares" 25. Re: Balloon by Charlie Richmond 26. Re: Balloon by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 27. Re: Balloon by "Tony Deeming" 28. Re: Balloon by "Jon Ares" 29. Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" by Stuart Wheaton 30. Re: Balloon by Stuart Wheaton 31. Re: Lauan to steel by Stuart Wheaton 32. Re: Creative use of storage space? by "Bill Nelson" 33. Re: Lauan to steel by Dale Farmer 34. Re: odd stuff found in theatres/port-a-keg by "Bill Nelson" 35. Re: Inexpensive Flooring Systems? by Bruce Purdy *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <001e01c58c64$4fc9a340$0500a8c0 [at] lpt> From: References: Subject: Sprung Floor "Duron" Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:18:09 -0500 Organization: Minnesota Ballet Stuart wrote: "1/4" lauan has always been my product of choice. Unless you have massive long runs or very heavy wagons, it will do quite well. " I'd stay away from Lauan as a floor covering for any stage floor. I used it to cover my large studio (50' by 58'). We had a tongue and groove floor, and I put a layer of lauan over it to help smooth out the warps in the old floor. It worked great for this purpose partly because it's covered up by a vinyl dance floor. Two years ago I rolled up the dance floor to paint some drops for a new show. The lauan soaked up so much of the water in the paint that the drops never sized! Each coat of paint made the drop shrink until it popped off the frame. It took quite a lot to seal the lauan so this would not happen again. Also, just a coat of paint does not seal lauan. My floor had been painted, it took a couple of layers of poly to seal it. With the extra cost and time to seal lauan, you'd be better off getting a better material to start with. I'm currently working on new drops on a masonite floor and do not have this problem. Lauan is great for hard flats covered in muslin, but I'd shy away from it as a stage floor. Kenneth Pogin Production Manager Minnesota Ballet ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050719141120.56211.qmail [at] web81910.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Lauan to steel I need to attach lauan to steel tubing and am looking to those with more experience. I know the typical solutions to this problem: tek screws, construction adhesive (Liquid Nails), T-nailer, pop rivets, etc. If I can help it, I don't want to use fasteners through the face so that I have a smooth, finished surface. What I am wondering is how well construction adhesive holds up. These panels will be moved around and need to last for a while. Has anyone used just construction adhesive (no fasteners) enough to know how long it might last? Thanks, Mike H ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42DD12D6.C43B4880 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:48:55 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Lauan to steel References: Michael Heinicke wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I need to attach lauan to steel tubing and am looking > to those with more experience. I know the typical > solutions to this problem: tek screws, construction > adhesive (Liquid Nails), T-nailer, pop rivets, etc. If > I can help it, I don't want to use fasteners through > the face so that I have a smooth, finished surface. > What I am wondering is how well construction adhesive > holds up. These panels will be moved around and need > to last for a while. Has anyone used just construction > adhesive (no fasteners) enough to know how long it > might last? > > Thanks, > Mike H How long it lasts is mainly a function of two things. How many square inches are actually glued down, and how much flexing and twisting of the piece happens. If your frame is made of circular steel tubing, then the actual amount of bonded surface is very minimal, maybe 1/8th a square inch for each linear inch of tubing. Going to one inch square tubing, gives you one sqinch per linear inch, much more stuck surface. Make your frame as stiff as you can. So some diagonal members across the frame will help a lot. Something to reduce flexing would also help a lot, say by going to larger size steel tubing. Construction adhesive can last a really long time, in the right application. But it cures to a very stiff mixture, so it doesn't stand up to heavy flexing and peeling. --Dale ------------------------------ Subject: Creative use of storage space? Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:50:48 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C871 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" A question for those of you out there with tall shop ceilings but not enough available floor space to put in a paint frame (or a loft)...what do you do with all of the wall space above 8' or so? I'm reorganizing my shop right now, and am looking for ideas that are efficient and ergonomically sound... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:55:20 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Creative use of storage space? Message-id: <42DD1458.BB6388E9 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Paul Schreiner wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > A question for those of you out there with tall shop ceilings but not > enough available floor space to put in a paint frame (or a loft)...what > do you do with all of the wall space above 8' or so? We leave one one wall completely open for tall flat storage. Above the radial arm saw and sliding compound miter saw walls we have lumber racks going up 10-15' feet. The higher racks are for storage of manufactured beams, hogstrough, foam, and anything else we use often, but not daily. Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <77fad327050719075813073bd7 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:58:09 -0400 From: Nathan Kahn Reply-To: Nathan Kahn Subject: fire at North Shore Music Theater Anyone have more info? http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/07172005/south_of/53328.htm Nathan --=20 Look Solutions USA, Ltd. 114 W. Third St. Waynesboro, PA 17268 Toll-Free: 1-800-426-4189 Phone: 1-717-762-7490 Fax: 1-717-762-7366 Email: usa [at] looksolutions.com Web: www.looksolutions.com and www.fogspecs.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Creative use of storage space? Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:00:47 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C873 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > We leave one one wall completely open for tall flat storage. =20 > Above the radial arm saw and sliding compound miter saw walls=20 > we have lumber racks going up 10-15' feet. The higher racks=20 > are for storage of manufactured beams, hogstrough, foam, and=20 > anything else we use often, but not daily. =20 What have you found are the best ways to access the stuff above the tables? Especially when it's heavy? I've got one wall set aside for ladders and pipes, and the requisite space above the radial arm saw table...what I'm specifically looking for now are ideas for the heavens above Paint Land (about 24' wide, 8-10' of usable height above the door and paint shelves) and a smaller area above Sheet Goods Town. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000b01c58c73$ca8b4660$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Creative use of storage space? Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:08:59 -0700 >> A question for those of you out there with tall shop ceilings but not >> enough available floor space to put in a paint frame (or a loft)...what >> do you do with all of the wall space above 8' or so? > > We leave one one wall completely open for tall flat storage. Above > the radial arm saw and sliding compound miter saw walls we have lumber > racks going up 10-15' feet. The higher racks are for storage of > manufactured beams, hogstrough, foam, and anything else we use often, > but not daily. I'm interested in people's approach to this situation as well... would anyone be willing to share some pics of their shop spaces, highlighting their creative (or mundane) storage solutions? - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8266cd9b4ba162853d596974c27db5cf [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Inexpensive Flooring Systems? Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:08:36 -0400 > I'm looking into different ways of repairing/replacing/refinishing our > stage floor right now, but nothing really appeals to all people > involved. As one that had the cheap pine tongue and groove stagefloor refinished once and finally STAINED black, then covered with with tempered hardboard two years later(I order it as a Duron part # from my supplier). I will never go back. I love the surface and that it can be painted easily. Tape does peel up the surface at times but the underlaying pine used to splinter severely, even after the refinishing. I use a Duron paint mixture (5 parts flat black, 1 part gloss black, and 1 part water) that seems to be a good trade off to the low sheen to easy sweep up. It took me a couple of tries to get the spacing right so it didn't buckle due to humidity changes. In a new install I would seriously look at Plyron. Good luck and feel free to contact me off list for any more detail or suggestions. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:16:09 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Creative use of storage space? Message-id: <42DD1939.E67141AC [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Paul Schreiner wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > What have you found are the best ways to access the stuff above the > tables? Especially when it's heavy? Our tables are pretty heavy-duty. To access most of the shelves, we stand on the tables. For the really heavy, bulky stuff we bring in the Genies. >...what I'm specifically looking for > now are ideas for the heavens above Paint Land (about 24' wide, 8-10' of > usable height above the door and paint shelves) and a smaller area above > Sheet Goods Town. Well, it really all depends on what you have sitting around that needs storing. We stick blocks and chunks of foam above our sheet goods rack. We dream idly of having the time to make chair racks to hang our prop chairs in an area similar to your paint land, but haven't really had the time to devote to such a project. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: Creative use of storage space? Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:19:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050719151928.DZJT1799.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> > I've got one wall set aside for ladders and pipes, and the > requisite space above the radial arm saw table...what I'm > specifically looking for now are ideas for the heavens above > Paint Land (about 24' wide, 8-10' of usable height above the > door and paint shelves) and a smaller area above Sheet Goods Town. In the past, when I had a tall shop in an industrial building, I put large hooks along the ceiling, firmly anchored to supporting beams. Then, using two portable chain hoists, I could raise and lower heavy stuff anywhere I had a hook or two. A ladder got me to the hooks to place the hoists. Since I used the hoists to get stuff up there in the first place, it was generally pretty easy to use the same hoists to get stuff back down. Sometimes I left pieces of chain attached to things in storage, making it even easier to get stuff back down. At one point I had a fairly large lathe hanging overhead, and brought it down when I needed to use it. Of course, it was carefully blocked and supported to avoid twisting or bending the lead screw or bed. My hoists are (I still have 'em) old fashioned manual 1/2-ton, so it took a while to move up and down. Not much effort though! Power hoists would be luxurious. Jim www.theatrewireless.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1121788505.42dd225976e44 [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:55:05 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Subject: Re: Lauan to steel References: In-Reply-To: Mike, We did this very thing just last year for a dance set. We had a 16' w X 7'6"h wall, 1-1/2" square tube covered on both sides with 1/4" lauan, rolling, and 2 sliding doors at 6'h. We used Liquid Nails Heavy Duty Construction and Remodeling Adhesive. It worked very well, to the point that we had difficulty getting the lauan off a year later. A few points to consider: : Clean your steel well. We used lacquer thinner. : Make sure your welds are ground down and all surfaces are flush at the joints. : Use Cauls to apply even and broad clamping preassure. : Do it quickly. The recommended working time is ten minutes. : Give the adhesive overnight to cure. Anyway, that's what we did. Good Luck, Andy Champ-Doran Technical Director Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater Annandale-on-Hudson, NY Quoting Michael Heinicke : > I need to attach lauan to steel tubing ... so that I have a smooth, finished surface. > What I am wondering is how well construction adhesive > holds up. These panels will be moved around and need > to last for a while. Has anyone used just construction > adhesive (no fasteners) enough to know how long it > might last? > Thanks, > Mike H ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:57:16 -0400 Subject: Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sounds like you should have used visqueen or scenic paper under the drops. Steve > From: > Organization: Minnesota Ballet > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:18:09 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Sprung Floor "Duron" > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Stuart wrote: "1/4" lauan has always been my product of choice. Unless you > have massive long runs or very heavy wagons, it will do > quite well. " > > I'd stay away from Lauan as a floor covering for any stage floor. I used it > to cover my large studio (50' by 58'). We had a tongue and groove floor, and > I put a layer of lauan over it to help smooth out the warps in the old > floor. It worked great for this purpose partly because it's covered up by a > vinyl dance floor. Two years ago I rolled up the dance floor to paint some > drops for a new show. The lauan soaked up so much of the water in the paint > that the drops never sized! Each coat of paint made the drop shrink until it > popped off the frame. It took quite a lot to seal the lauan so this would > not happen again. Also, just a coat of paint does not seal lauan. My floor > had been painted, it took a couple of layers of poly to seal it. With the > extra cost and time to seal lauan, you'd be better off getting a better > material to start with. I'm currently working on new drops on a masonite > floor and do not have this problem. Lauan is great for hard flats covered in > muslin, but I'd shy away from it as a stage floor. > > Kenneth Pogin > Production Manager > Minnesota Ballet > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: RE: Creative use of storage space? Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:15:01 +0000 Paul, I look at my "dead space" in the shop with a pained expression. I have 20 +/- feet of space that I can't touch. The Sprinkler System was intsalled just below the roof line. I was told early on that I could not construct anything that could block the system...ie: a loft. I don't know if that is anything you considered or are aware of but I figure it doesn't hurt to be reminded. Moe Conn Designer/TD University of the Cumberlands 606-539-4520 Thanks For Supporting the Long Reach Long Riders!! Dates are announced for LRLR 2006 www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html >From: "Paul Schreiner" >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Creative use of storage space? >Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:50:48 -0400 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >A question for those of you out there with tall shop ceilings but not >enough available floor space to put in a paint frame (or a loft)...what >do you do with all of the wall space above 8' or so? I'm reorganizing >my shop right now, and am looking for ideas that are efficient and >ergonomically sound... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200507191747.j6JHlrgh091772 [at] oz.plymouth.edu> From: "Robert Bruemmer" Subject: RE: Creative use of storage space? Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:47:58 -0400 Organization: Plymouth State University In-Reply-To: We were allowed to build a loft as long as we sprinkled underneath as well Bob -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Maurice Moe Conn Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:15 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Creative use of storage space? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Paul, I look at my "dead space" in the shop with a pained expression. I have 20 +/- feet of space that I can't touch. The Sprinkler System was intsalled just below the roof line. I was told early on that I could not construct anything that could block the system...ie: a loft. I don't know if that is anything you considered or are aware of but I figure it doesn't hurt to be reminded. Moe Conn Designer/TD University of the Cumberlands 606-539-4520 ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: Creative use of storage space? Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:54:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050719175419.LRK25800.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> I've had to extend or add to sprinklers a few times. Arranging for system shut off, inspection, and turn on was the hardest part, certainly not daunting. The plumbing part is easy. Plan everything in advance and do all the work with one call from the fire inspector. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf > Of Robert Bruemmer > Sent: July 19, 2005 1:48 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Creative use of storage space? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > We were allowed to build a loft as long as we sprinkled > underneath as well > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf > Of Maurice Moe Conn > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:15 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Creative use of storage space? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Paul, > > I look at my "dead space" in the shop with a pained > expression. I have 20 > +/- feet of space that I can't touch. The Sprinkler System was > +intsalled > just below the roof line. I was told early on that I could > not construct anything that could block the system...ie: a loft. > > I don't know if that is anything you considered or are aware > of but I figure > > it doesn't hurt to be reminded. > > Moe Conn > Designer/TD > University of the Cumberlands > 606-539-4520 > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050719121359.011c08c0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:13:59 From: CB Subject: Balloon >I need a glow-in-the-dark balloon that I can pop without leaving residue. >Anyone got any ideas? Ask your soundguy if he can get some glow-in-the-dark 'mic pack protectors' rom his regular supplier of 'mic pack protectors'. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050719122216.011c08c0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:22:16 From: CB Subject: Re: odd stuff found in theatres/port-a-keg >I don't know what C02 use of a ked is but for short trips what about CO2 >tanks for paintball? >They range in size from 4 oz to 20 and are cheap, don't know about use with >food though. Quote: 2.5# will run 5 kegs 5# will run 10 kegs 10# will run 20 kegs and 20# will run 40 kegs. Unquote. I guess that this means that 8 oz will run approx. 1 keg. Seeing as I use a half-keg (quarter barrel), I could probably use the 4 oz per. OTOH, filling up a new one every other day (OK, so amybe not QUITE that often...) would be a slight inconvenience, but figuring out the additional plumbing might be a bit more than I care to do. I also like the novelty of the wheelchair device attached. I'm thinking of using the wheelchair wheels to maike it portable as well, so there is a bit of an aesthetic to the 'D' or 'E' sized cylinder. I'm just trying to find out if the CO2 world uses the same size as the 02 world, and if the fittings are comparable. I didn't even think of the paintball option as it came up three dozen times a minute in my google, though. Thanks for the thought! Oh, and the kegerator was inspired by a production of "The Weir", (you know who you are...) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42DD52F7.9707A7C9 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 15:22:31 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: odd stuff found in theatres/port-a-keg References: CB wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >I don't know what C02 use of a ked is but for short trips what about CO2 > >tanks for paintball? > >They range in size from 4 oz to 20 and are cheap, don't know about use with > >food though. > > Quote: > 2.5# will run 5 kegs > 5# will run 10 kegs > 10# will run 20 kegs > and 20# will run 40 kegs. > Unquote. > > > I guess that this means that 8 oz will run approx. 1 keg. Seeing as I use > a half-keg (quarter barrel), I could probably use the 4 oz per. OTOH, > filling up a new one every other day (OK, so amybe not QUITE that often...) > would be a slight inconvenience, but figuring out the additional plumbing > might be a bit more than I care to do. I also like the novelty of the > wheelchair device attached. I'm thinking of using the wheelchair wheels to > maike it portable as well, so there is a bit of an aesthetic to the 'D' or > 'E' sized cylinder. I'm just trying to find out if the CO2 world uses the > same size as the 02 world, and if the fittings are comparable. I didn't > even think of the paintball option as it came up three dozen times a minute > in my google, though. Thanks for the thought! Oh, and the kegerator was > inspired by a production of "The Weir", (you know who you are...) > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ The K size cylinders have keyed fittings so you cannot connect up the wrong gases. It would be, as they say, a bad thing to hook up a tank of CO2 to aunt mildred's oxygen setup. Also, you ought to be using food grade components, gas and tanks. I doubt if paintball tanks are FDA certified. --Dale ------------------------------ Subject: RE: odd stuff found in theatres/port-a-keg Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:23:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A91FD [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" I'm sorry guys, but I think you need to catch up with the leading edge on this one. Take a look at this: http://asciimation.co.nz/beer/ Tom Davis -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 8:22 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: odd stuff found in theatres/port-a-keg For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >I don't know what C02 use of a ked is but for short trips what about CO2 >tanks for paintball? >They range in size from 4 oz to 20 and are cheap, don't know about use with >food though. Quote: 2.5# will run 5 kegs 5# will run 10 kegs 10# will run 20 kegs and 20# will run 40 kegs. Unquote. =09 I guess that this means that 8 oz will run approx. 1 keg. Seeing as I use a half-keg (quarter barrel), I could probably use the 4 oz per. OTOH, filling up a new one every other day (OK, so amybe not QUITE that often...) would be a slight inconvenience, but figuring out the additional plumbing might be a bit more than I care to do. I also like the novelty of the wheelchair device attached. I'm thinking of using the wheelchair wheels to maike it portable as well, so there is a bit of an aesthetic to the 'D' or 'E' sized cylinder. I'm just trying to find out if the CO2 world uses the same size as the 02 world, and if the fittings are comparable. I didn't even think of the paintball option as it came up three dozen times a minute in my google, though. Thanks for the thought! Oh, and the kegerator was inspired by a production of "The Weir", (you know who you are...) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:32:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Balloon From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mic pack protectors, like to keep sweat out of the packs? Could you supply some info of these. We've been using condoms. Steve > From: CB > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 12:13:59 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Balloon > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> I need a glow-in-the-dark balloon that I can pop without leaving residue. >> Anyone got any ideas? > > Ask your soundguy if he can get some glow-in-the-dark 'mic pack protectors' > rom his regular supplier of 'mic pack protectors'. > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.0.20050719134441.029fa488 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:45:03 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Balloon In-Reply-To: References:

At 01:32 PM 7/19/2005, you wrote: >Mic pack protectors, like to keep sweat out of the >packs? Could you supply some info of these. We've >been using condoms. > >Steve That's what he meant. Glow in dark ones for the balloon. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <014D202957F6D8118924000F20D7342B085EDDDF [at] az33exm01.corp.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: odd stuff found in theatres/port-a-keg Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:47:52 -0700 I notice that the great thing about this was that the beer was at 2C, but the bad thing was sound at 125dBa. He needs to add earplugs to the kit. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Davis, Thomas J I'm sorry guys, but I think you need to catch up with the leading edge on this one. Take a look at this: http://asciimation.co.nz/beer/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002701c58ca8$6bf83470$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Balloon Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:25:44 -0700 > Mic pack protectors, like to keep sweat out of the > packs? Could you supply some info of these. We've > been using condoms. > > Steve > (Hence the glow-in-the-dark ones.) I live a sheltered life. I have never blown up a 'mic pack protector.' Can they inflate much? And wouldn't they just look like giant phalli? (Which would look pretty silly, considering the original poster's intent.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:29:42 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Balloon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Jon Ares wrote: > I live a sheltered life. I have never blown up a 'mic pack protector.' Can > they inflate much? And wouldn't they just look like giant phalli? They can inflate to a very large size and as they get larger they become basically round... at least most of them do... Charlie ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Balloon Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 17:39:58 -0400 Message-ID: <001901c58caa$6cb705b0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > I live a sheltered life. I have never blown up a 'mic pack > > protector.' Can > > they inflate much? And wouldn't they just look like giant phalli? > > They can inflate to a very large size and as they get larger > they become > basically round... at least most of them do... Uh...I assume you're referring to the "mic pack Protector" and not to...uh...that to which they were originally marketed to be applied.... ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Balloon Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:55:19 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Jon Ares > Sent: 19 July 2005 22:26 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Balloon > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Mic pack protectors, like to keep sweat out of the > > packs? Could you supply some info of these. We've > > been using condoms. > > > > Steve > > > > > > > (Hence the glow-in-the-dark ones.) > > I live a sheltered life. I have never blown up a 'mic pack > protector.' Can > they inflate much? And wouldn't they just look like giant > phalli? (Which > would look pretty silly, considering the original poster's intent.) > > - Jon Ares You mean you've never seen the 'blow up a condom on your head' gag????? Not DONE it myself, but seen it loads! Stretch a rubber over your head, and down over the nose then inhale thru the mouth, exhale thru the nose. You'd be AMAZED at how big those suckers can inflate!!! NOT a safe practice, though, for many reasons - not least the fact that they can burst whilst covering the eyes! Makes the head stink of latex & lubricant, too!!! (also have to ensure you've cleared the nostrils first as well....!!!) Ynot ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c58cad$227aa120$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Balloon Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 14:59:28 -0700 > You mean you've never seen the 'blow up a condom on your head' gag????? Never with a condom, but lots of times with latex gloves. Ugh, that smell makes me retch just thinking about it! - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42DDB20D.7070103 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:08:13 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Sprung Floor "Duron" References:

In-Reply-To: productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org wrote: > Stuart wrote: "1/4" lauan has always been my product of choice. Unless you > have massive long runs or very heavy wagons, it will do > quite well. " > > I'd stay away from Lauan as a floor covering for any stage floor. I used > it to cover my large studio (50' by 58'). We had a tongue and groove > floor, and I put a layer of lauan over it to help smooth out the warps > in the old floor. It worked great for this purpose partly because it's > covered up by a vinyl dance floor. Two years ago I rolled up the dance > floor to paint some drops for a new show. The lauan soaked up so much of > the water in the paint that the drops never sized! Each coat of paint > made the drop shrink until it popped off the frame. I'm a bit confused here, if the drop is shrinking, isn't that the idea behind sizing? If the staples pulled out, that sugggests that the drop wasn't well stapled, not that the lauan was somehow responsible. I'm not surprised that Lauan left to dry out for years soaked up as much water as you could put into it. > It took quite a lot > to seal the lauan so this would not happen again. Also, just a coat of > paint does not seal lauan. My floor had been painted, it took a couple > of layers of poly to seal it. I've done many Lauan floors with scene paint and a single coat of waterborne poly to seal it. If you need a gloss floor, two coats of poly and a regular waxing with future will be all you need. I was recommending it as a stage floor, not a paint deck surface. IF you insist on using it as a paint deck, you might want to try Orange Shellac to seal it. > With the extra cost and time to seal > lauan, you'd be better off getting a better material to start with. I'm > currently working on new drops on a masonite floor The thread is about how Masonite/Duron may be very hard to find now, and was answering the question of what else is a good option... > and do not have this > problem. Lauan is great for hard flats covered in muslin, but I'd shy > away from it as a stage floor. > Have you ever actually used it as a stage floor? For a short/moderate length run without heavy wagons? Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42DDB38B.5070402 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:14:35 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Balloon References: In-Reply-To: Steve Larson wrote: > Mic pack protectors, like to keep sweat out of the > packs? Could you supply some info of these. We've > been using condoms. > Pay no mind to the rest of those idiots... I happen to supply mic pack protectors, they come in 12 packs and I can supply as many as you need at $25 per 12. let me know how many you need, and don't pay any attention to those humorists who think they might be condoms. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42DDB5F5.5070005 [at] fuse.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:24:53 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Lauan to steel References: In-Reply-To: Michael Heinicke wrote: > > I need to attach lauan to steel tubing and am looking > to those with more experience. I know the typical > solutions to this problem: tek screws, construction > adhesive (Liquid Nails), T-nailer, pop rivets, etc. If > I can help it, I don't want to use fasteners through > the face so that I have a smooth, finished surface. > What I am wondering is how well construction adhesive > holds up. These panels will be moved around and need > to last for a while. Has anyone used just construction > adhesive (no fasteners) enough to know how long it > might last? You might also want to look at some of the 3M double stick tapes as well. Transfer tapes, which are basically just glue applied from a tape gun, work quite well for this. The transfer tapes require pressure (like from a j-roller) to secure them, instead of requiring long curing times and dozens of clamps per panel. Absolutely clean steel is a must in either case. We have a supplier of Kleen-kote 1" box tube which comes pre-primed clean and oil free. Other than being only available in 16 ga. it is perfect for this kind of application. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1316.64.28.62.64.1121827118.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 19:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Creative use of storage space? From: "Bill Nelson" > I look at my "dead space" in the shop with a pained expression. I have 20 > +/- feet of space that I can't touch. The Sprinkler System was intsalled > just below the roof line. I was told early on that I could not construct > anything that could block the system...ie: a loft. Yep. You would have to put sprinklers under the loft to be legal. But you could probably put lumber racks that run at right angles to the sprinkler pipes - as long as they are well spaced and are the legal distance below the sprinkler heads. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42DDC247.8DE5EA28 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:17:27 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Lauan to steel References:

Stuart Wheaton wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Michael Heinicke wrote: > > > > > I need to attach lauan to steel tubing and am looking > > to those with more experience. I know the typical > > solutions to this problem: tek screws, construction > > adhesive (Liquid Nails), T-nailer, pop rivets, etc. If > > I can help it, I don't want to use fasteners through > > the face so that I have a smooth, finished surface. > > What I am wondering is how well construction adhesive > > holds up. These panels will be moved around and need > > to last for a while. Has anyone used just construction > > adhesive (no fasteners) enough to know how long it > > might last? > > You might also want to look at some of the 3M double stick > tapes as well. Transfer tapes, which are basically just > glue applied from a tape gun, work quite well for this. The > transfer tapes require pressure (like from a j-roller) to > secure them, instead of requiring long curing times and > dozens of clamps per panel. > > Absolutely clean steel is a must in either case. > We have a supplier of Kleen-kote 1" box tube which comes > pre-primed clean and oil free. Other than being only > available in 16 ga. it is perfect for this kind of application. > > Stuart For gluing panels, lay them on a flat surface, and just pile some sandbags on top of them. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1447.64.28.62.64.1121831539.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 20:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: odd stuff found in theatres/port-a-keg From: "Bill Nelson" > I'm sorry guys, but I think you need to catch up with the leading edge > on this one. Take a look at this: > http://asciimation.co.nz/beer/ Not bad, but a bit primitive. All the high velocity gases from the turbine are being wasted. The cooling is only coming from the evaporation of the fuel. Imagine running the exhaust through a Hilsch vortex tube - and using the cold air that results to cool the water. At least a bit more of the energy generated would be utilized. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 00:27:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Inexpensive Flooring Systems? From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Greg Bierly wrote: > In a new install I would seriously look at Plyron. When we FINALLY covered up our very rough 110 year old floor, we used Plyron. Thanks again to all on the list that recommended it - I love it! The carpenter had some trouble obtaining enough sheets though, and got a few "Pre-sanded" sheets to round out the order. He installed those upstage, and they tend to wear MUCH faster. the surface is too soft, and the paint just doesn't hold up as well! I recommend avoiding the pre-sanded variety and sticking with the hard tempered surface Plyron. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #463 *****************************