Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 23804967; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:00:57 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #464 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 03:00:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #464 1. Lauan to Steel by Chris Fretts 2. lauan flooring by 3. stage floor covering by "David R. Krajec" 4. Re: stage floor covering by "Paul Schreiner" 5. Re: Balloon by "Davis, Thomas J" 6. Re: Creative use of storage space? by "C. Dopher" 7. Re: Creative use of storage space? by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 8. Re: Berkley Rep Fire! by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 9. Re: Balloon by "Randy B." 10. Re: odd stuff found in theatres/port-a-keg by CB 11. Re: Balloon by CB 12. Mic Protectors - was Balloon by "Randy Whitcomb" 13. Re: WAS Balloon now Mic Packs by MissWisc [at] aol.com 14. Mic protectors (was re: Balloons) by "Andy Leviss" 15. Re: stage floor covering by "Josh Ratty" 16. Musical Theater Composers books... by Scott Parker 17. Re: lauan flooring by Stuart Wheaton *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: From: Chris Fretts Subject: Lauan to Steel Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:50:18 -0500 Michael Heinicke wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I need to attach lauan to steel tubing and am looking > to those with more experience. I know the typical > solutions to this problem: tek screws, construction > adhesive (Liquid Nails), T-nailer, pop rivets, etc. If > I can help it, I don't want to use fasteners through > the face so that I have a smooth, finished surface. In some circumstances where we need to make an fastener free attachment of lauan or plexi to steel we use a VHB (very high bond) double-sided tape. We've found it makes a good strong connection that will hold up to normal flexing and bending. McMaster-Carr www.mcmastercarr.com sells several varieties. The tape is relatively expensive, from $50-100 per 72yd roll, but when you don't/can't wait for panel adhesive to dry it is a good solution. Chris Fretts Technical Director Indiana Repertory Theatre ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000201c58d31$a738f950$0500a8c0 [at] lpt> From: References: Subject: lauan flooring Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 08:48:02 -0500 Organization: Minnesota Ballet Yes, but the drop kept shrinking. A properly sized drop only shrinks once, or at least shrinks very little after that. It wasn't the staples either, it was properly stapled. All the paint went right through the drop and soaked up into the lauan. You can stand behind the drop and see the audience right through the fabric. Thankfully it still looks good on stage because it's a backdrop with no light behind it. We did lay down some plastic for the next drop, but the designer really doesn't like to with the claim that water will pool more. I haven't met very many designers that like to paint on a paint frame for a full stage backdrop. If the drop is vertical and your paint brush is too wet, you'd get a bad drip run. Not that people don't do it, it's just that in the last 16 years I've only seen a paint frame used once for a drop. I'm painting on a stage floor right now, and the theater also has a paint frame. The designer feels painting on the floor has more advantages. The biggest problem I see in theater is that many different uses of spaces and things require many variables. If I had a dollar for every time I heard a artistic director (or anyone for that matter) say: "well, we just won't use it for that" or "we won't do that." I'd be a rich man. It's a sure bet that as soon as you hear those words, with in a year or two.....you'll be doing exactly what they said they won't do. And you want to know why? Because it pays the bills. Even you admit that it has limitations. Often theaters need stuff to last just because of budget. It is a great material, and if you can afford to replace it often great. I wouldn't mind working at a theater with that kind of budget. Ken ------------------------------ From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: stage floor covering Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:27:42 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I've been reading with keen interest all of the flooring solutions that we have come up with. We all use some sort of Duron, Masonite, tempered hardboard (a rose by any other name) product. Usually 1/4" thick. Warping seems to be an issue. I would offer a solution that someone about 30 years ago shared with me. It seems to work. When you get your order of the above named floor covering, layout some plastic sheeting (visqueen) near your stage floor. The plastic sheeting should be large enough to wrap the entire stack of sheet goods. Fill a Hudson sprayer with water. Lightly spray the first sheet in your stack with water. Take it off the stack and place it wet-side down on the plastic sheeting. Spray the dry side of the floor covering. Proceed to do this to the rest of the stack. (It helps to have two helpers - you run the sprayer, they flip the sheet goods.) Wrap up the stack and go home for the night. By the next morning, the sheet goods will have absorb some of the water, and thereby have swelled slightly. Start laying out your sheet goods on your floor and fastening them down (fasteners are your choice - I like drywall screws. Remember to countersink them). Butt them up tight to each other. If you have a good crew you can finish in a day. When finished, go fishing for a couple days. When you come back, you will have neat little 1/16" to 1/8" gap between each sheet. Paint with whatever you like, but make sure it is something that will stick to the tempered surface of the sheet goods. I have discovered that if you simply use latex paint, if you build up enough layers then roll a piano or wagon over the sheet goods, the layers of paint will separate from the tempered surface. Proper initial treatment is essential. My two cents. David K. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: stage floor covering Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:39:26 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C879 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Paint with whatever you like, but make sure it is something=20 > that will stick to the tempered surface of the sheet goods. =20 > I have discovered that if you simply use latex paint, if you=20 > build up enough layers then roll a piano or wagon over the=20 > sheet goods, the layers of paint will separate from the=20 > tempered surface. Proper initial treatment is essential. It has been said in this space (though not by me) before that a similar--but theoretically more stable--method is to prepaint both sides of the MasoTemperDuroBoard (tm) before installation. Granted, that doesn't fix the peeling issue (which I've never really noticed with pianos as much as spike/gaff tape), but it does eliminate the need for a three-day fishing trip while waiting for the sprayed water to get absorbed. Whether or not that's a good thing is your call. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Balloon Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 10:40:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A91FE [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" Hopefully, my students who may be reading this thread will recognize the correct application of the non-lubricated vs. lubricated "mic pack protector." I really don't want mic packs being chased like greased pigs all over the stage during act II tonight. For those of us in academia, it would make life much easier if some one of you suppliers out there would arrange with a manufacturer of "mic pack protectors" to work out packaging with separate labeling and SKUs. Our business office would have no problem issuing a PO for "mic pack protectors" at $25/dozen, but is specifically restricted by board policy (under our medical reimbursement policy) from reimbursing an employee for a contraceptive device. If your situation is like mine, it is well worth $5 for the look on the face of the accountant when you present the bill for a box of "mic pack protectors." And watching them scramble through the office trying to find the chapter and verse on why they can't reimburse this particular expense. Oddly, a few years ago, when we did Dracula, I had no problem being reimbursed for a "dead rat" and a "bloody severed head" bought at a novelty shop, but there is no board policy on those items.... Which reminds me....maybe we should start a new thread: What is the most bizarre prop you had in your trunk when stopped for a traffic violation ("please officer, don't make me open my trunk") Tom Davis -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stuart Wheaton Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 10:15 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Balloon For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Steve Larson wrote: > Mic pack protectors, like to keep sweat out of the > packs? Could you supply some info of these. We've > been using condoms. >=20 Pay no mind to the rest of those idiots... I happen to supply mic pack protectors, they come in 12=20 packs and I can supply as many as you need at $25 per 12.=20 let me know how many you need, and don't pay any attention=20 to those humorists who think they might be condoms. Stuart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:42:31 -0400 Subject: Re: Creative use of storage space? From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 7/19/05 12:15 PM, "Maurice Moe Conn" wrote: > Paul, > > I look at my "dead space" in the shop with a pained expression. I have 20 > +/- feet of space that I can't touch. The Sprinkler System was intsalled > just below the roof line. I was told early on that I could not construct > anything that could block the system...ie: a loft. I know a TD that has done precisely that in one of my fav theatres, one I used to run myself. It's been clear to me that he bends a lot of fire code rules (a LOT) when he can get away with it. The day is coming when he'll be forced to take the loft down and - due to inordinate amount of money spent putting it up - he will lose his job. He's made it clear my opinion isn't wanted, so I don't have the heart to point this out. Cris Dopher, LD ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: Creative use of storage space? Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:04:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050720160458.JGNQ25800.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> > be forced to take the loft down and - due to inordinate > amount of money spent putting it up - he will lose his job. Could he add some pipe amd sprinkler heads to meet code? ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: Berkley Rep Fire! Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:38:33 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am still very interested in seeing the pictures of the Berkley Rep fire, if that is possible. rdavidson [at] riskit.com Dr. Doom -- Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson, Risk International & Associates, Inc. - www.riskit.com Latest workshops for Educational and Entertainment Industry Performing Arts Personnel (Riggers, and Public Assembly and Educational Technicians) www.riskit.com/workshops International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - www.isetsa.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of thetd222 [at] email.unc.edu Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 12:56 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Berkley Rep Fire! For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hello all, I don't know if this has already been discussed & I a bit be hind, but if not... PS - of course the pictures are not attached, email me off list if you want to see them. - Will Leonard ATD - Alabama Shakespeare Festival -Fwd: Message - Folks, Many of you may have already heard, but the Berkley Rep scene/paint shop burned to the ground Wednesday night, Thursday morning. Our paint charge, Lisa Lazar is the paint charge for the rep. From what Lisa tells me, they lost everything including their computers, all files, all tools, paints, and a brand new set they had just finished. Lisa told us they have eight days to build a new one before opening! In addition, the TD was moving and had moved everything he owned into the space before moving it into a new space. He lost everything. On a positive note, no one was hurt. Attached are pictures that were sent to Lisa from friends in Berkley. Herb Herb Garman Safety Coordinator Glimerglass Opera Company www.glimmerglass.org Cooperstown NY 13326 607-547-5704 Ext. 223 607-547-6030 Fax ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002701c58d53$11b406a0$ee504898 [at] GLOBAL.SCJ.LOC> From: "Randy B." References: Subject: Re: Balloon Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:47:16 -0500 If you go to the right bars you can find Mic Pack protectors in the fish bowl or bucket on your way to men's room. You may have to dig to the bottom for the non-lubed one's :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Wheaton" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Balloon > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Steve Larson wrote: > > > > Mic pack protectors, like to keep sweat out of the > > packs? Could you supply some info of these. We've > > been using condoms. > > > > Pay no mind to the rest of those idiots... > > I happen to supply mic pack protectors, they come in 12 > packs and I can supply as many as you need at $25 per 12. > let me know how many you need, and don't pay any attention > to those humorists who think they might be condoms. > > Stuart > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050720112643.00cc8790 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:26:43 From: CB Subject: Re: odd stuff found in theatres/port-a-keg > The K size cylinders have keyed fittings so you cannot connect up >the wrong gases. It would be, as they say, a bad thing to hook up a >tank of CO2 to aunt mildred's oxygen setup. Ehm, I think that this was the exact reason that I asked if anyone knew of a similar sized CO2 cylinder that would fit into the wheelchair-type carrier. I'd love to be able to find something common out there that would work instead of custom making something that I'd have to convince someone to fill every time. It'd be great if someone had a line on something that would fit into the normal exchange program most CO2 re-fillers like to operate on. >I'm sorry guys, but I think you need to catch up with the leading edge >on this one. Take a look at this: >http://asciimation.co.nz/beer/ Yeah. This relates directly back to the post on being careful what you find/scavenge/store for future use. You could end up with enough parts to build something that could hurt you, or worse, just enough parts to *almost* make something fun if you blew a coupla hundred bucks on the important bits. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050720113250.00cc8790 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 11:32:50 From: CB Subject: Re: Balloon >I happen to supply mic pack protectors, they come in 12 >packs and I can supply as many as you need at $25 per 12. I dunno, this is probably 10x what any other method pf mic pack protection costs me. For a re-usable solution, I like to get large freezer backs and make custom sized pack protectors. Simply cut the corner off of the bag, the size of the pack, and seal the seam with a seal-a-meal type sealer, or put the bag in the pages of a phone book, with a 1/4" of bag sticking out and seal it with a cig lighter. Good for an eight show week. I'm not sure what a $2 mic pack protector has that's special, but it had better be pretty danged special... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000601c58d6a$2d42a7c0$6501a8c0 [at] D4D3R151> From: "Randy Whitcomb" References: Subject: Mic Protectors - was Balloon Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:32:39 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- From: "CB" For a re-usable solution, I like to get large freezer backs and > make custom sized pack protectors. Simply cut the corner off of the bag, > the size of the pack, and seal the seam with a seal-a-meal type sealer This just made me think about trying Glad Press and Seal wrap. Recently someone suggested using it for blood packs (works well btw). Anyone try this yet? Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud Loveland, CO. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <212.51ba9f4.30101883 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:13:39 EDT Subject: Re:WAS Balloon now Mic Packs Has anyone tried the Glad "Press and Seal" wrap for mic pack protectors? Seems to me it would work OK. And for the person who's purchasing department would question the purchase of large quantities of condoms ... does your school have a health service or school nurse who can supply you instead? Else I'd suggest you simply educate your purchasing department (and the associated Powers That Be) of the safety application. "Prophylactic" means preventative or lessening the risk of, not "birth control." A hair tie is a prophylactic device as are leather gloves and steel toe shoes. Kristi spending the week learning about "brain based learning" at the CM academy! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3183.67.85.196.182.1121901722.squirrel [at] webmail.ducksecho.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Mic protectors (was re: Balloons) From: "Andy Leviss" Chris "Chris" Babbie wrote: > For a re-usable solution, I like to get large > freezer backs and > make custom sized pack protectors. Simply cut the corner off > of the bag, > the size of the pack, and seal the seam with a seal-a-meal > type sealer, or > put the bag in the pages of a phone book, with a 1/4" of bag > sticking out > and seal it with a cig lighter. Even cheaper and easier than that, go to Uline.com and order appropriately sized 2 mil poly bags, just wide enough to fit your packs (remember to add the width and depth together!) and two inches taller. Use just like you'd use a condom, stuffing the top with cotton squares and, if desired/necessary, taping shut by folding the top edges over (I fold the sides both towards the center, one at a time, rather than folding both together, since this centers the openings for the antenna and connector and avoids putting unnecessary strain on them). --Andy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 19:59:36 -0400 From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: stage floor covering In-reply-to: Message-id: <005701c58d87$15ad0890$0201000a [at] Rattys> The last time I remember laying down a floor of 1/4" maso, we used 1/16" thick pieces of sheet metal to space the sheets. I think they were drawer dividers that you use in those industrial gray shelve and drawer units. It's quick and easy if you don't have time to spray and restack all of you goods and let them sit overnight. Josh Ratty ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980507201838272d6d49 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:38:03 -0400 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: Scott Parker Subject: Musical Theater Composers books... Greetings all, My wife is planning on teaching a new class on the American Musical at her high school. She's looking for a copy of: "Show Tunes: The Songs, Shows, and Careers of Broadway's Major Composers by Steven Suskin " Any suggestions for other titles? Thanks... --=20 Take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza=20 New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42DF02C5.70105 [at] fuse.net> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:04:53 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: lauan flooring References: In-Reply-To: productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org wrote: > that the idea behind sizing? If the staples pulled out, > that suggests that the drop wasn't well stapled, not that > the lauan was somehow responsible> > > Yes, but the drop kept shrinking. A properly sized drop only shrinks > once, or at least shrinks very little after that. It wasn't the staples > either, it was properly stapled. All the paint went right through the > drop and soaked up into the lauan. In days gone by, according to Pectal and Burris-Meyer & Cole, a layer of Bogus paper was laid down under the drop. That paper would be as absorbent as any dry Lauan, and kept the paint from puddling on the sealed floors. > You can stand behind the drop and see > the audience right through the fabric. Thankfully it still looks good on > stage because it's a backdrop with no light behind it. We did lay down > some plastic for the next drop, but the designer really doesn't like to > with the claim that water will pool more. What exactly was the drop made of? seems like 2 oz. muslin or bobbinette or something... > I haven't met very many > designers that like to paint on a paint frame for a full stage backdrop. > If the drop is vertical and your paint brush is too wet, you'd get a bad > drip run. Not that people don't do it, it's just that in the last 16 > years I've only seen a paint frame used once for a drop. Where did the paint frame enter into a discussion of flooring materials for the stage? > > > > I'm painting on a stage floor right now, and the theater also has a > paint frame. The designer feels painting on the floor has more > advantages. Of course it has! > The biggest problem I see in theater is that many different > uses of spaces and things require many variables. If I had a dollar for > every time I heard a artistic director (or anyone for that matter) say: > "well, we just won't use it for that" or "we won't do that." I'd be a > rich man. It's a sure bet that as soon as you hear those words, with in > a year or two.....you'll be doing exactly what they said they won't do. > And you want to know why? Because it pays the bills. > This seems like some sort of red herring too, how does it relate to the use of Lauan as a stage flooring material? > short/moderate length run without heavy wagons?> > > Even you admit that it has limitations. Often theaters need stuff to > last just because of budget. It is a great material, and if you can > afford to replace it often great. I wouldn't mind working at a theater > with that kind of budget. I used Lauan in theatres with the lowest possible budgets, because it holds up well, and is very re-useable. OK, lets get some facts on the table... Lauan is about 12 bucks a 1/4" sheet last I checked. You can take it off the truck, drop it on the stage floor, staple it around the perimeter and a few down the middle of the sheet, butt those seams as tight as you can, prime your floor with latex paint, paint it and roll on a coat of waterborne Poly. That floor will last a year or more under normal dramas, weekly piano movings, a two week run of "A Chorus Line", etc. The lauan will not warp and buckle from the paint coat, though if unsealed, it can delaminate if you get it too wet, I mean if you really soak it down and leave puddles standing. Tape does not damage the surface of lauan. You can whack the stuff down with a narrow crown stapler. No countersinking or expensive screws. Stuart ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #464 *****************************