Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 23883168; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:01:34 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #469 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 03:01:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #469 1. Re: Acoustically Transparent Projection Material? by "Dave LaDue" 2. Re: dmx lengths by "Abby Downing" 3. Re: dmx lengths by "Davis, Thomas J" 4. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 5. OT: Who's on First by Charlie Richmond 6. Recommendations on Assistive Listening by Thackaberr [at] aol.com 7. Re: Who's on First by "Tony Deeming" 8. Re: OT: Who's on First by MissWisc [at] aol.com 9. Re: Recommendations on Assistive Listening by "Storms, Randy" 10. Re: Acoustically Transparent Projection Material by "Bill Nelson" 11. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by "Tom Heemskerk" 12. Free CAD the catch by "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" 13. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by "chrisharris25" 14. Re: dmx lengths by Dale Farmer 15. Re: dmx lengths by Charlie Richmond *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Acoustically Transparent Projection Material? Message-ID: From: "Dave LaDue" Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:05:14 -0400 Any screen even if "acoustically transparent" will alter the sound of the organ pipes. Usually resulting in reduction of high frequency content. Loudspeakers behind a screen can be eq'd to allow for some compensation of the roll-off of high frequencies. Acoustic organ pipes cannot (at least without a complete reshaping/reconstruction of the pipes). If you want to maintain the pipe sound quality put the screen somewhere else or make it portable or retractable. David J. LaDue Consultant, Systems Designer Jaffe Holden Acoustics 203-838-4167 - Phone 203-838-4168 - Fax http://www.jhacoustics.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: dmx lengths Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:48:53 -0400 Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA1CC77A [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local> From: "Abby Downing" >>* Blasting wire is cheap, non-plated, solid-core zip cord...in bright=20 yellow. Life expectancy, one use.<< Something further along those lines... In a field service cert. class I recently attended- this was said of DMX transmission and specified types of cable: "DMX is an extremely robust protocol. You could even run it over barbed wire." Not entirely relevant to the conversation...but amusing, nonetheless. -Abby ------------------------------ Subject: RE: dmx lengths Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:29:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A9205 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" Hmmmm. Does this mean I can chose whether I get a nice, slow, glowing explosion rather than a huge bright fireball? Do you need to run a separate audio feed to control the volume of the bang? And yes, I am kidding. Anybody ever try jumper cables? Maybe I can trickle charge the car battery while running the show.... TD -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand As a test I ran DMX data over 1000 feet of 24 ga blasting wire* in series=20 with 1000 feet of 24 gage blasting wire. All the wire was on=20 spools. Worked fine. =3D=3D=3D * Blasting wire is cheap, non-plated, solid-core zip cord...in bright=20 yellow. Life expectancy, one use. ---------- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F16020177 [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: RE: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:18:34 -0700 > From: Bill Sapsis > > This is in Vancouver, right? $21 hr is Canadian or USD? Hmmmm. > > From: "Simon Shuker" > > It does not say per hour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > ...................................................for the humour > challenged that is said tongue in cheek > Over the weekend I figured I should have clarified the job posting is for a Head Stage Carpenter, not a scenic carpenter (although knowing how to use a skill saw, screw gun (with SQUARE HEADS!!) is an asset). I didn't think that I'd need to clarify that a job posting in BRITISH COLUMBIA would have its wages posted in CANADIAN dollars. (although Canadian Tire money is available if you're willing to go to payroll to pick it up). $21/hr is roughly $16.80/hr in greenbacks (which aren't so green now, are they? How's it feel to have Monopoly money for a currency) (FYI, the yanks have been questioning/laughing at our currency for years cause the different denominations are different colours, much like the different pound notes). > > From: "chrisharris25" > > Why is it that I never seem to be able to meet the onerous qualifications > for these jobs yet the pay is nowhere near commenserate for what they are > asking??? Chris: What is so onerous? (or am I missing more humour) > > From: "Tom Heemskerk" > > Don't forget that it's Canadian hours as well as $$$. > > th Tom: what is the exchange rate for the hour anyway? And further enticement, Vancouver has the second best climate in all of Canada (and better than 47 of the US states), second only to Victoria, and comparable to Washington and Oregon state (and maybe Hawaii). Winters are generally 1 deg C while summer highs are 28-20 deg C (look up the conversions). Downside is the cost of living. We're up there with Toronto. Not as expensive as London Tokyo NY, but we're up there. Food is reasonable, fuel and land is outrageous. Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:05:29 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Cc: show-control [at] yahoogroups.com (List - Show Control Mailing List) Cc: THEATRE-SOUND [at] LISTSERV.AOL.COM (List - Theatre-sound) Message-ID: Subject: OT: Who's on First If Bud Abbott and Lou Costello were alive today their famous routine "Who's on first?" might have turned out something like this: COSTELLO CALLS TO BUY A COMPUTER FROM ABBOTT ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store, Can I help you? COSTELLO: Thanks. I'm setting up an office in my den and I'm thinking about buying a computer. ABBOTT: Mac? COSTELLO: No, the name's Lou. ABBOTT: Your computer? COSTELLO: I don't own a computer. I want to buy one. ABBOTT: Mac? COSTELLO: I told you, my name's Lou. ABBOTT: What about Windows? COSTELLO: Why? Will it get stuffy in here? ABBOTT: Do you want a computer with Windows? COSTELLO: I don't know. What will I see when I look at the windows? ABBOTT: Wallpaper. COSTELLO: Never mind the windows. I need a computer and software. ABBOTT: Software for Windows? COSTELLO: No. On the computer! I need something I can use to write proposals, track expenses, and run my business. What do you have? ABBOTT: Office. COSTELLO: Yeah, for my office. Can you recommend anything? ABBOTT: I just did. COSTELLO: You just did what? ABBOTT: Recommend something. COSTELLO: You recommended something? ABBOTT: Yes. COSTELLO: For my office? ABBOTT: Yes. COSTELLO: OK, what did you recommend for my office? ABBOTT: Office. COSTELLO: Yes, for my office! ABBOTT: I recommend Office with Windows. COSTELLO: I already have an office with windows! OK, let's just say I'm sitting at my computer and I want to type a proposal. What do I need? ABBOTT: Word. COSTELLO: What word? ABBOTT: Word in Office. COSTELLO: The only word in office is office. ABBOTT: The Word in Office for Windows. COSTELLO: Which word in office for windows? ABBOTT: The Word you get when you click the blue "W". COSTELLO: I'm going to click your blue "w" if you don't start with some straight answers. OK, forget that. Can I watch movies on the Internet? ABBOTT: Yes, you want Real One. COSTELLO: Maybe a real one, maybe a cartoon. What I watch is none of your business. Just tell me what I need! ABBOTT: Real One. COSTELLO: If it's a long movie, I also want to watch reels 2, 3, and 4. Can I watch them? ABBOTT: Of course. COSTELLO: Great! With what? ABBOTT: Real One. COSTELLO: OK, I'm at my computer and I want to watch a movie. What do I do? ABBOTT: You click the blue "1". COSTELLO: What blue one? ABBOTT: The blue "1". COSTELLO: Is that different from the blue w? ABBOTT: The blue "1" is Real One and the blue "W" is Word. COSTELLO: What word? ABBOTT: The Word in Office for Windows. COSTELLO: But there are three words in "office for windows"! ABBOTT: No, just one. But it's the most popular Word in the world. COSTELLO: It is? ABBOTT: Yes, but to be fair, there aren't many other Words left. It pretty much wiped out all the other Words out there. COSTELLO: And that word is real one? ABBOTT: Real One has nothing to do with Word. Real One isn't even part of Office. COSTELLO: STOP! Don't start that again. What about financial bookkeeping? You have anything I can track my money with? ABBOTT: Money. COSTELLO: That's right. What do you have? ABBOTT: Money. COSTELLO: I need money to track my money? ABBOTT: It comes bundled with your computer. COSTELLO: What's bundled with my computer? ABBOTT: Money. COSTELLO: Money comes with my computer? ABBOTT: Yes. No extra charge. COSTELLO: I get a bundle of money with my computer? How much? ABBOTT: One copy. COSTELLO: Isn't it illegal to copy money? ABBOTT: Microsoft gave us a license to copy Money. COSTELLO: They can give you a license to copy money? ABBOTT: Why not? THEY OWN IT! A few days later: ABBOTT: Super Duper computer store. Can I help you? COSTELLO: How do I turn my computer off? ABBOTT: Click on "START" ------------------------------ From: Thackaberr [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e5.40f81c1e.3016bdcf [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:12:31 EDT Subject: Recommendations on Assistive Listening Long Time Lurker looking for suggestions on mics, and IR systems for a new assistive listening system for a small thrust theater. I've read the 1999 thread, but I'm hoping for some current model numbers. Also, does anybody know how many devices should be ordered as a percentage of the house size? Neil Thackaberry Actors' Summit Hudson OH 44236 ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Who's on First Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:41:33 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: One Word - that word is EXCELLENT!!! 8-)) > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Charlie > Richmond > Sent: 25 July 2005 23:05 > To: Stagecraft > Cc: List - Show Control Mailing List; List - Theatre-sound > Subject: OT: Who's on First > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > If Bud Abbott and Lou Costello were alive today their famous routine > "Who's on first?" might have turned out something like this: > > > > COSTELLO CALLS TO BUY A COMPUTER FROM ABBOTT > > ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <62.59714322.3016c6f3 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:51:31 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Who's on First :: Mental picture of Dr. Doom and Unkle Bill doing this as reader's theatre at... Doom in kilt and Unkle in motorcycle regalia:: :) Yeah it's summer and I've got too much time for my mind to run wild. Kristi ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Recommendations on Assistive Listening Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:29:38 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B7323B00 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Neil - my $.02 would be to consider an RF system - I once had an IR = setup that was extremely finicky and cut out whenever the listener = turned his head, etc. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu -----Original Message----- >Long Time Lurker looking for suggestions on mics, and IR systems for a = new =20 >assistive listening system for a small thrust theater. >Neil Thackaberry >Actors' Summit >Hudson OH 44236 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2540.64.28.52.220.1122337931.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Acoustically Transparent Projection Material From: "Bill Nelson" > Interesting discussion about acoustically transparent material. I once > worked with an organist at a major university who insisted that the color > of the cloth in front of the organ pipes affected the quality of sound. The > pipes were mounted on either side of the proscenium and we wanted a darker > color so it would not detract from the stage when we did musicals or > operas. I think we ended up with beige. Heh, heh! You should have told him that you could compensate by running "oxygen free pure silver speaker wires". The golden eared crowd swear that they make the sound "brighter". Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <61616.24.68.198.5.1122342115.squirrel [at] 24.68.198.5> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info From: "Tom Heemskerk" >> Don't forget that it's Canadian hours as well as $$$. >> > Tom: what is the exchange rate for the hour anyway? > All depends how the Metric System Index is doing...... ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" Subject: Free CAD the catch Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:32:10 -0400 Thanks for the update, Mark. I haven't yet heard directly from the company so I'll "eagerly" await my own "free" offer to arrive. But alas, in case you haven't noticed, ALL software is going this way. It is shocking but I don't know of a single program that I run now that doesn't attempt to access the internet on booting.....for what purpose, they don't tell! Sometimes, as I have a firewall I can successfully say "NO you don't have permission!" but then some programs bog down as if to blackmail the connection. The worst (as usual) is Microsoft itself. No matter how many ways I turn OFF Internet messanger my firewall still reports up to 20 attempts PER MINUTE by my machine to try to hook up with the online IM service! So much software now too reuires an online connection as part of the registration finalization process. It's a terrible situation that is going to get worse. And did you all hear about Microsoft's new name for their next Windows iteration, VISTA "because it will emphasize 'clarity' "? I can see it now! Instead of the error message: "I am about to destroy your life's work, OK?" I bet I will be the first to get the new and improved message.... "CLEARLY, I am about to destroy your life's work, OK?" Computers: "A more efficient and accurate way of making mistakes" RF ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008001c5918f$773092b0$d2ff0a0a [at] CHRISLAPTOP> Reply-To: "chrisharris25" From: "chrisharris25" References: Subject: Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:09:40 -0400 >> From: "chrisharris25" >> >> Why is it that I never seem to be able to meet the onerous qualifications >> for these jobs yet the pay is nowhere near commenserate for what they are >> asking??? > > Chris: What is so onerous? (or am I missing more humour) OK, perhaps I stepped in it and for that my sincere apologies, Andrew. For those that know me, "Hi"! For those that don't, I'm am a most loyal (damn these chains) employee of Sapsis Rigging, Inc. Been lurking for awhile and this is my first real post. "The following in no way reflects the opinions or beliefs of Sapsis Rigging or its Fearless Leader!" "Onerous" is not the correct word I suppose and "extensive" would fit better. But I seem to see a lot of job opportunity postings like this one lately (here in the lower 48 as well) that are looking for all of this experience, both educational and professional, both of which I do applaud. Yet when it gets to the question of pay, it doesn't come anywhere near what I would expect given the responsibilities assumed under that job. Now I may be missing something in the benefits description....like it may be extensive enough to make the dictator of a small country weep with envy. Yet still I question. Naiveté.....pie in the sky.....greed? Maybe. Yet given the cost of living excelleration, our industry seems stuck in a pretermined mode of "suffer for your art". While I understand the budgets don't seem to be there in most arts establishments, I'm not surprised to see people who are capable of doing these jobs seeking other more lucrative industries. Having a large amount of responsibilty, the qualifications, and the talent to sit on a "hot seat" type of job shouldn't be a hard job to fill in this industry. I can only hope that someone with sound carpentry skills, knowledgable rigging skills, good people managing skills, and the ability to stand in the middle of the fire when something goes wrong comes your way given the remunerative package and the fickle nature of the industry. This is just my rant, will climb off my cable reel now. Feel free to flame away.... Chris ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42E5C067.6593DC1F [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 00:47:35 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: dmx lengths References: Abby Downing wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >>* Blasting wire is cheap, non-plated, solid-core zip cord...in bright > yellow. Life expectancy, one use.<< > > Something further along those lines... > > In a field service cert. class I recently attended- this was said of DMX > transmission and specified types of cable: > > "DMX is an extremely robust protocol. You could even run it over barbed > wire." > > Not entirely relevant to the conversation...but amusing, nonetheless. > > -Abby And if DMX won't work, you can run ethernet over barbed wire. ( I helped a guy do it for a tradeshow demo years ago. ) I'm told that this is actually done in the ranching community, for remote control and monitoring of wells, watering ponds, and irrigation systems. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:22:03 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: dmx lengths In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Dale Farmer wrote: > And if DMX won't work, you can run ethernet over barbed wire. > ( I helped a guy do it for a tradeshow demo years ago. ) I'm told that > this is actually done in the ranching community, for remote control and > monitoring of wells, watering ponds, and irrigation systems. hmmmm.... this sounds interesting... please tell more (what speed, how far, was the barbed wire CAT 5 or CAT 6, etc.... ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #469 *****************************