Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 23901955; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:02:02 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #470 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:01:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, EARNINGS autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #470 1. Re: Boston Opera House (was Odd stuff found in theatres) by "richard j. archer" 2. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by Scott Spidell 3. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by "Peter Scheu" 4. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 5. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by IAEG [at] aol.com 6. Re: Recommendations on Assistive Listening by "Paul Schreiner" 7. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by Stephen Litterst 8. Oh, Canada (OT) by "Peter Scheu" 9. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by Jerry Durand 10. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by "Paul Guncheon" 11. Re: Recommendations on Assistive Listening by "Bill Nelson" 12. Re: dmx lengths by Dale Farmer 13. Re: dmx lengths by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 14. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by Dale Farmer 15. Re: scenery (arts) jobs by Steven Hood 16. Re: scenery (arts) jobs by Jerry Durand 17. Re: scenery (arts) jobs [long] by "Paul Schreiner" 18. Re: scenery (arts) jobs by David Marks 19. Re: scenery (arts) jobs [long] by David Marks 20. Re: scenery (arts) jobs by "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" 21. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by "Paul Schreiner" 22. Show record photography advice by Tom Grabowski 23. Re: dmx lengths by Mitch Hefter 24. Re: dmx lengths by CB 25. USITT Lighting Graphics Recommended Practice by Mitch Hefter 26. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by CB 27. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by CB 28. test by CAPTF53 [at] aol.com 29. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 30. Re: Job posting-head carpenter by Jeff Forbes 31. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by Stephen Litterst 32. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 33. Re: Show record photography advice by Richard Bakos 34. Flooring options by Paul Marsland 35. Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info by Mike Brubaker 36. Re: Flooring options by Mike Brubaker 37. RGB lighting idea by Jerry Durand 38. Re: RGB lighting idea by "Chris Warner" 39. Re: RGB lighting idea by "Jon Ares" 40. Re: RGB lighting idea by Jerry Durand *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:23:13 -0500 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Boston Opera House (was Odd stuff found in theatres) On 7/15 Keith Arsenault asked > >how many of us on this list worked for Sarah Caldwell - Opera Company of >Boston / The Opera House at one time or another ? > >I was there back in1983 ? ( damn that seems like a long time ago ! ) > >very best, > I worked for her/them when I was in college and the year after in 1970-71. They were not in the Opera House(until 78?). One show was performed in the MIT arena and the Boston College hockey rink(Good Soldier Schweik) Others were at the old Cyclorama, now part of the Boston Center for the Arts. Shop was out at the old brewery in Jamaica Plain. Dick A TD, Cornell Univ ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20050726084412.01fb87b8 [at] watarts.uwaterloo.ca> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:57:28 -0400 From: Scott Spidell Subject: Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info In-Reply-To: At 06:01 AM 7/26/2005, Chris Harris wrote: >But I seem to see a lot of job opportunity postings like this one >lately (here in the lower 48 as well) that are looking for all of this >experience, both educational and professional, both of which I do applaud. >Yet when it gets to the question of pay, it doesn't come anywhere near what >I would expect given the responsibilities assumed under that job. Now I may >be missing something in the benefits description....like it may be extensive >enough to make the dictator of a small country weep with envy. Yet still I >question. > >Chris Chris, Please don't forget the other benefits of working in the Great White North: -beautiful cities -health care -a government that has respect for the rest of the world -a sense of humour -the ability to use more letters when writing certain words -good theatre -correct spelling of words -Robertson (square head) screws -politicians who go on comedy shows to make fun of themselves -damn nice people These are also benefits that need to be considered. Scott ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:04:07 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <000601c591e2$82440760$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-Reply-To: Scott Spidell wrote: >Please don't forget the other benefits of working in the Great >White North: And a great theme song (Oh, Canada!) that one can actually sing. Play on! Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:42:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c591e7$dd957680$6801a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > -politicians who go on comedy shows to make fun=20 > of themselves US politicians do that, too; Cheney and Rumsfeld are on Fox News Channel = all the time. ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <84.4a2ed373.30179a97 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:54:31 EDT Subject: Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info In a message dated 7/26/05 9:43:30 AM, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: << > -politicians who go on comedy shows to make fun > of themselves US politicians do that, too; Cheney and Rumsfeld are on Fox News Channel all the time. >> not to mention John McCain in the R rated WEDDING CRASHERS, , , , , very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Recommendations on Assistive Listening Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:56:34 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C883 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Long Time Lurker looking for suggestions on mics, and IR=20 > systems for a new =20 > assistive listening system for a small thrust theater. I've=20 > read the 1999 =20 > thread, but I'm hoping for some current model numbers. Also,=20 > does anybody know =20 > how many devices should be ordered as a percentage of the house size? Depending on the stage configuration, you'd be pretty well served going with Audio-Technica AT853s...they're overhead hanging choral mics that I've used in a couple of situations for this very purpose. The other way I'd go would be to hang shotgun mics at the rear of the house, if the distance isn't too great. Alas, I don't have a lot of firsthand experience with different models, so you'll have to do your own research here. IIRC, unless your space is grandfathered (i.e., not renovated since 1990, when the ADA was enacted), you'll need a number of receivers equal to 4% of your seating capacity. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:43:33 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info Message-id: <42E64C15.CB749928 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Peter Scheu wrote: > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Scott Spidell wrote: > > >Please don't forget the other benefits of working in the Great > >White North: > > And a great theme song (Oh, Canada!) that one can actually sing. And if you replace "Canada" with "Tannenbaum" you get a great Christmas Carol! Steve L. (Just kidding, I know they're different tunes) -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: Oh, Canada (OT) Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:48:16 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <000001c591f1$0eddf420$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-Reply-To: Stephen Litterst wrote: >And if you replace "Canada" with "Tannenbaum" you get a great >Christmas Carol! Or can replace it with the opening of the 2nd Act of Mozart's "Magic Flute"... Could get trails by water, fire AND ice ;-) Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:38:05 -0700 On Jul 26, 2005, at 6:42 AM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > US politicians do that, too; Cheney and Rumsfeld are on Fox News > Channel all > the time. > One of the San Francisco board of supervisors is also a stand-up comic...AND a nice guy. I guess it had to happen eventually. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:44:03 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info Message-id: <01df01c591f8$d9c747c0$c6354104 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: I thought it was nigh impossible for a citizen of the US of A to work in Canada. <> <> A issue near to my heart... or some part of my body. I stopped working as technical director for a local theatre due to the refusal of the managing director to increase my salary to a living wage. She wouldn't do so, not because she couldn't, as the theater was doing extremely well. She simply did not want to. I quit when I found out the bookkeeper, a strict 9-5 position (as were all of the front of house positions) was being paid substantially more than I was. The managing director was paying herself double what I was making. When they started looking for a replacement for me (they are looking again as their current TD just quit), the starting salary quoted was 2/3 of what I had been making. The theatre in which I worked employed friend of the managing director as a "director of development"... the person who sought grants for our organization. Usually she did not bring in enough grants through her own efforts to pay her salary. The artistic director mentioned that the managing director suggested that I be contacted and asked to return as I had had civil conversations with her since I left it seemed that all was well. I told him I would love to come back if they tripled the salary and the managing director quit. I suppose just tripling the salary would do it. It seems that a lot of small theaters are front (of house) heavy... like 7 people in office and 2 people backstage. Where exactly are the "upper 48" states? Laters, Paul "Eins, zwei, drei, funf, eins, zwei, drei, funf!" counted Tom fearlessly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4112.64.28.63.170.1122393857.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:04:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Recommendations on Assistive Listening From: "Bill Nelson" > Long Time Lurker looking for suggestions on mics, and IR systems for a new > assistive listening system for a small thrust theater. I've read the 1999 > thread, but I'm hoping for some current model numbers. Also, does anybody > know how many devices should be ordered as a percentage of the house size? If I had my choice, I think I would opt for an FM based system, rather than IR. We have IR in our 300 seat house, and there are line of sight problems. The maximum number of receivers that has ever been requested is 5. Some of our audiences, especially Sunday matinees, are almost all "senior citizens". Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42E6656B.973DF74 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:31:39 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: dmx lengths References:

Charlie Richmond wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 26 Jul 2005, Dale Farmer wrote: > > > And if DMX won't work, you can run ethernet over barbed wire. > > ( I helped a guy do it for a tradeshow demo years ago. ) I'm told that > > this is actually done in the ranching community, for remote control and > > monitoring of wells, watering ponds, and irrigation systems. > > hmmmm.... this sounds interesting... please tell more (what speed, how far, > was the barbed wire CAT 5 or CAT 6, etc.... ;-) > > Charlie 10 base - T speed. The fence had to also had to be made correctly. ( Four strands of #10 wire, with twists in each pair, requiring double fence posts every mumble feet to do the crossovers. ) Performance went to shit when it rained or thunder stormed. Not that performance was all that great to begin with. Huge percentage of packet loss, but for an ranching type applications, you don't actually have that much data to transmit. ( Water depth n feet. Pump on. Pump off. ) Of course when the fence went down, so did your link. All that I knew about it was second hand, and from around 1997 or so. We just did it looped around the upper levels of the booth in the air. First and hopefully last time I ever handled barbed wire in a genie lift. DMX would probably work better over barbed wire, come to think of it. Much slower data rate gives everything else more room to degrade more or less gracefully. --Dale ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: dmx lengths Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:34:43 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c591ff$f0cc0e40$6801a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > hmmmm.... this sounds interesting... please tell more > (what speed, how far, > > was the barbed wire CAT 5 or CAT 6, etc.... ;-) That's silly; barbed wire is used to control cows and horses, not cats. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42E666A7.DB8FF4B8 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:36:55 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info References: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > -politicians who go on comedy shows to make fun > > of themselves > > US politicians do that, too; Cheney and Rumsfeld are on Fox News Channel all > the time. Richard Nixon appeared on Laugh-In, and by what I heard, rather enjoyed himself, and was funny. I think this was while he was president. Candidates for president now routinely appear on the late night comedy shows. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050726165337.85186.qmail [at] web20827.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Hood Subject: Re: scenery (arts) jobs In-Reply-To: To the guy who said 16/hr is cheap... You haven't seen cheap 'til you've been down here... I'm the supervisor, and I get less than that. My PT carps get even less... Shall we start a discussion about how the movement of our society into a 2-income per household standard has actually hurt consumers? Wages in the arts are generally crappy. It's something most profs will tell kids early on... More money can be made selling our skills to the corporate world, but fitting into the corporate society is something most of us feel uncomfortable doing. You ever try to climb a truss in a suit because someone fried you by running over your power cable and you have to replace a "something" right before your client needs it to work flawlessly? Some people just get used to living on less, too. I wouldn't defend the miserly employer for a moment; I'm just saying that wages are crappy in the arts in general... On the other hand, we get to see a lot of things in life that most people never will. We probably have a wider and more interesting circle of friends and acquaintances than the whole rest of society put together... We also know how to make magic... Something the rest of the world always marvels at... Slainte, y'all, Steven __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <0EBAC111-CA5F-43D1-BE09-679932B9AA07 [at] interstellar.com> From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: scenery (arts) jobs Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:02:22 -0700 On Jul 26, 2005, at 9:53 AM, Steven Hood wrote: > On the other hand, we get to see a lot of things in > life that most people never will. We probably have a > wider and more interesting circle of friends and > acquaintances than the whole rest of society put > together... We also know how to make magic... > Something the rest of the world always marvels at... > It also seems the circle of "interesting" friends is also good for keeping family members at a safe distance. :) It's nice to have people cheer the work you do, not many (any?) other jobs have that fringe benefit. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: scenery (arts) jobs [long] Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:38:26 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C885 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Apologies in advance for what I expect is gonna be a long post, bordering on diatribe... All this talk about salaries and wages in the arts, and the people who are still--despite all that--attracted to them as a profession in an economically-challenging (and family-unfriendly) corporate world brings to mind the recent rants of conservatives who complain about a so-called "liberal bias" in higher education. Education, as a profession, has never been particularly inviting from a financial standpoint; could it be that people who are more service-oriented and less focused on personal financial gain--those who are attracted more to education than to business--also tend to be more liberal in their politics? And that this, more than any sort of prejudice on the already-established academics, has resulted in the higher percentage of liberal-minded professors present in higher education today? Just a thought... That being said, yes, it is ridiculous sometimes. My last job worked out to a little over $12/hour when all was said and done. ($16/hour would be a raise for me even now!) The only way we were able to possibly afford putting my wife through school again was the fact that her student loans paid not only for school expenses, but alleviated some of the lost income potential she suffered as a result of being a full-time student instead of a working mother (which is a redundant term that deserves a whole 'nuther OT thread all to itself). And the fact we were living in a fairly rural area of central VA, where the cost of living won't kill you. What really frosts my cookies (among other things) is the fact that I can't afford to go get my MFA right now. Hell, even after my wife is done it'll take a miracle for me to be able to do that...I have a 3 1/2 year old son who's gonna have another 20 years or so of expenses for me to take care of. Until master's level jobs begin paying enough to afford the loans I'd have to take out to supplement the serious loss of income I'd be taking even with the best grad stipend in the world, I'm stuck. What's even worse is the trend I've noticed over the past few years for the number of jobs with "MFA preferred" in the job description, when most reasonably experienced BFA grads could easily handle the tasks involved. And when those "MFA preferred" jobs don't pay any more than what a BFA grad fresh out of school could (and IMO should) expect as a starting salary...well, that just compounds the problem. It also doesn't help that changing jobs in the first place also requires such a tremendous outlay of capital...even if a plum position opened up that I was perfect for, I don't know if I could afford the moving expenses! And don't get me started on the discrepancies between faculty and (professional) staff in higher education. Don't get me wrong...maybe it's the liberal bent in me (ha!), but I have no problems with generally trading off the job satisfaction I do get from the work I do in exchange for fewer (and particularly unnecessary) creature comforts. But it would be nice to have a paycheck that allowed me to be a single wage earner for a family of three and still be able to buy good beer without having to work out next month's budget to the penny to make sure I could afford it. I'm probably preaching to the choir, and have wandered into venting more than actually sharing useful information, but I really don't think that's supposed to be too much to ask from a somewhat seasoned professional who's spent the last ten years doing nothing but working in theatre full time. That hurts, and it wouldn't surprise me if this is the sort of thing that drives many a person in my shoes out of the profession at some point in the future. I've given some serious thought in recent months to packing it in, for this very reason. As much as I detest rampant consumerism, and try to avoid thoughts about needing a new this or a new that or ohmigod I really *have* to have a 42" HDTV and have it NOW, the simple day-to-day wear and tear of having to make sure I can afford even the smallest things (much less than, for example, the vet bills I'd be incurring for taking my son's favorite cat to have a serious puncture wound examined) is taking its toll on my peace of mind. While the benefits of never facing the exact same job twice, of being able to teach (and not just theatre or carpentry or electrics), and of dealing with some very cool people on a day-to-day basis are amazing, and can't be bartered or measured commercially, that's the problem...you can't measure that in dollars, and those things don't pay the bills. Looking back over this, I'm starting to sound like my father. No, he wasn't in the arts...but maybe that's important to keep in mind. That it's not just our profession that is (and has been) dealing with issues like this, and for many years. Yes, it seems to be getting worse. No, I don't have any answers. But sometimes things like this just need to be said, even if it's only for my own personal sanity level. Thanks for letting me vent. I'd buy everyone who read this all the way through a drink, but, well, y'know... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42E6814E.1030505 [at] comcast.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:30:38 -0400 From: David Marks Subject: Re: scenery (arts) jobs References: In-Reply-To: Steven Hood wrote: >On the other hand, we get to see a lot of things in >life that most people never will. > I will never forget the time I was telling a friend's father (whose day job was animal husbandry - cow breeding) about the video interview I had just shot at a huge dairy farm. His eyes lit up and he said "They pay you for this?" as if standing in the midst of 3500 cows was the greatest job on earth..... I guess it depends on how you look at it. Dave Marks ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42E6831E.205 [at] comcast.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:38:22 -0400 From: David Marks Subject: Re: scenery (arts) jobs [long] References: In-Reply-To: Paul Schreiner wrote: >And when those "MFA preferred" jobs don't pay any more than >what a BFA grad fresh out of school could (and IMO should) expect as a >starting salary...well, that just compounds the problem. > > I just completed a nine month job search. The number of times that I found a job listing, detailing qualifications that would take years to amass, and then finding out the salary was aimed at fresh college grads........depressing as all get out. I sat through a 2 hour tech director interview with an organization. The interview went very well, they loved me, loved my work. They emailed me the salary a few days later. Their janitors have to be making more than this job paid. In nine months and 30 some applications, I found exactly 2 organizations who were willing to pay what the job required, with real benefits. Dave Marks ------------------------------ From: "Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson" Subject: RE: scenery (arts) jobs Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:06:08 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And they pay my wife $7. per hour at the Nursing Home, where the fees are $6,000 per month. And that is before they take out taxes, insurance, FICA, etc. $4.85 per hour is the bottom line after that .... and we also pay part of the medical expenses ..... did you say living wage. She has a degree and twenty five years experience. Ah, the benefits of life. Doom -- Dr. Randall W.A. Davidson, Risk International & Associates, Inc. - www.riskit.com Latest workshops for Educational and Entertainment Industry Performing Arts Personnel (Riggers, and Public Assembly and Educational Technicians) www.riskit.com/workshops International Secondary Education Theater Safety Association (ISETSA) - www.isetsa.org -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steven Hood Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 10:54 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: scenery (arts) jobs For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- To the guy who said 16/hr is cheap... You haven't seen cheap 'til you've been down here... I'm the supervisor, and I get less than that. My PT carps get even less... Shall we start a discussion about how the movement of our society into a 2-income per household standard has actually hurt consumers? Wages in the arts are generally crappy. It's something most profs will tell kids early on... More money can be made selling our skills to the corporate world, but fitting into the corporate society is something most of us feel uncomfortable doing. You ever try to climb a truss in a suit because someone fried you by running over your power cable and you have to replace a "something" right before your client needs it to work flawlessly? Some people just get used to living on less, too. I wouldn't defend the miserly employer for a moment; I'm just saying that wages are crappy in the arts in general... On the other hand, we get to see a lot of things in life that most people never will. We probably have a wider and more interesting circle of friends and acquaintances than the whole rest of society put together... We also know how to make magic... Something the rest of the world always marvels at... Slainte, y'all, Steven __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:18:00 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C889 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > I quit when I found out the=20 > bookkeeper, a strict 9-5 position (as were all of the front=20 > of house positions) was being paid substantially more than I=20 > was. The managing director was paying herself double what I=20 > was making. I just remembered something from a ways back...about six years ago, when I was job hunting, I found myself on the short list for a box office managerial position (!) for the PAC in a particular Maryland city (not Baltimore). The starting salary was being quoted as $33K, or about $3,000 more than 98% of the TD jobs I saw being posted at the time (taking into account all the relevant geographical cost-of-living factors and such). Plus, as a city employee, the bennies were well above average. *sigh* ------------------------------ From: Tom Grabowski Reply-To: tomgrab [at] utpa.edu Subject: Show record photography advice Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:18:29 -0500 Organization: UTPA Message-ID: <20050726141829346.00000003996 [at] TGRABOWSKI> I need some advice on shooting record shots of sets and lighting for produ= ctions. The situation is that for about 27 years I have been using Eastman= color negative film (lately ECN 5279) for my film. It worked well as it w= as balanced for tungsten light, had an ASA of 500 and was relatively inexpe= nsive. I did have to send it back to the vendor for processing so it did t= ake a week or so to get them back The advantage of this film and vendor wa= s that I could get both negatives and slides (prints also if I wanted). I = could also get multiple sets of slides from each roll. The problem is that = the vendor, RGB in Hollywood has closed down. I still have 4 rolls of the = film left. Photoworks (used to be Seattle Filmworks) will still process th= e ECN film and give me multiple slide sets and negatives but I have not bee= n pleased with the quality and service I have gotten with the first two rol= ls of the RGB film that I sent to them. With the orders I do get replaceme= nt film but it is Photowork's color print film. I have not shot or proces= sed any of it yet so I do not know how that film will deal with the stage l= ighting conditions. For the past several years I have also been shooting = with a digital camera (either a point-and-shoot Nikon and Minolta) and am g= etting the shots to look closer to what it really looked like on stage but = quality does not match the slides yet. I know that part of the problem is d= ue to the equipment but I currently cannot afford to upgrade to a higher-en= d digital camera yet. My question is what are people doing for record shot= s now? What were the options out there in the way of film today? Thanks. *** Tom Grabowski University of Texas-Pan American Designer/Technical Director Communication Department Tomgrab [at] UTPA.edu Edinburg, Texas 78541 956/381-3588 FAX 956/318-2187 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20050726175308.03331b28 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:07:09 -0500 From: Mitch Hefter Subject: Re: dmx lengths In-Reply-To: References: I take a few days off, and look what happens ;) Several days ago, Nigel Worsley wrote: >Using long runs of DMX is a bit like walking towards a cliff wearing a >blindfold. When you stop, >you don't know if the edge is a foot away or a few hundred, so most people >stop after a short >distance to be absolutely safe. The more adventurous walk a bit further, >and the foolhardy wind >up at the bottom of the cliff. And some may even survive the fall (Dale Farmers microphone cable example), but I would ask why even chance it. On 7/26/2005, Abby Downing wrote: > - this was said of DMX transmission and specified types of cable: > >"DMX is an extremely robust protocol. You could even run it over barbed >wire." I've something to that effect before myself. Bottom line, how close do you want to go to the cliff's edge? Will you get support from a manufacturer or systems integrator if you don't use 485 rated cable within a reasonable length? Will you be able to determine if the problem is in the equipment if you don't have the correct cable. The length in the existing DMX512 Recommended Practice (RP) was vetted by a number manufacturers back then, and will be looked at as the ESTA Technical Standards Program develops a new RP to accompany ANSI E1.11 (DMX512-A), but I would be surprised if it changes. . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mitch Hefter ESTA / USITT DMX512 Revision (ANSI E1.11) Task Group Chair USITT Engineering Vice-Commissioner, DMX512 Subcommittee Chair Office: Entertainment Technology / a Division of the Genlyte Group mhefter [at] genlyte.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050726160202.011ba1b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:02:02 From: CB Subject: RE: dmx lengths >Anybody ever try jumper cables? Maybe I can trickle charge the car >battery while running the show.... There was an audiophile test a while ago, (I wish I could remember where I read it) that tested whether or not speaker wire made a great difference. Double blind test with a buncha golden-ears and audio-scientists, and the only thing they agreed on conclusively was that set # seven showed a marked improvment. It was the jumper cables outta the test providers truck! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20050726181423.03331b28 [at] mail.DesignRelief.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:15:11 -0500 From: Mitch Hefter Subject: USITT Lighting Graphics Recommended Practice USITT RP-2 (revision 4), Recommended Practice for Theatrical Lighting Graphics, is available for public review until 5 p.m. Eastern time on October 28, 2005. Go to http://www.usitt.org/standards/UsittRP-2v4.html for more information and to download the document, letter ballot, and supplemental material. . . . ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mitch Hefter USITT Engineering Vice-Commissioner, Member USITT Standards Committee Office: Entertainment Technology / a Division of the Genlyte Group ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050726160657.011ba1b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:06:57 From: CB Subject: RE: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info > Winters are generally 1 deg C while summer >highs are 28-20 deg C (look up the conversions). Multiply by 1.8 and add 32. (or for those that like to do it in your head, multiply by tow, and subtract ten percent, and then add 32!) Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050726161641.011ba1b8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:16:41 From: CB Subject: Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info >Having a large amount of responsibilty, the qualifications, and the talent >to sit on a "hot seat" type of job shouldn't be a hard job to fill in this >industry. I can only hope that someone with sound carpentry skills, >knowledgable rigging skills, good people managing skills, and the ability to >stand in the middle of the fire when something goes wrong comes your way >given the remunerative package and the fickle nature of the industry. I think that this type of post will diminish when the folks that do these jobs start to get a pay package that starts to allow them to drive vehicles and live in houses that begin to resemble the cars and houses of those that sit in the offices of theatres. We do work as hard as they do, we know things that they don't know, although they don't know it, and yet, we get paid to make theatre when they get paid to think about theatre. The rich get richer, and all that. I think that theatre (no, everything) needs to be a bit more socialist in nature, and the corporate ethic (or lack of them) should just release the stranglehold its getting on the world. O' course, it could be because I'm just a blue collar, working for the love kinda guy, and I could be wrong. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: CAPTF53 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.409d2147.30182348 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:37:44 EDT Subject: test Test in plain text ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:46:23 -0400 Message-ID: <002201c5923c$3ff96850$6801a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: =20 > I think that this type of post will diminish when the folks=20 > that do these jobs start to get a pay package that starts to=20 > allow them to drive vehicles and live in houses that begin to=20 > resemble the cars and houses of those that sit in the offices=20 > of theatres. We do work as hard as they do, we know things=20 > that they don't know, although they don't know it I used to work at at theatre that I'll call...uh...Florida Teeny-Tiny Theatre. It was always amusing (but not in a funny way) that some of = the admin staff had two Pentium computers on their desks while all of us in production -- some of whom were using CADD -- had to share one 486 = machine. I remember trying (in vain) to explain to the General Manager that if someone needed me urgently on our 10-out-of-12 days, they'd have to come = get me, since it was simply not possible for me to leave the theatre several times to go to my office in the next building just to check email. They certainly know things we don't, but it's a 100% given that we know many, many things that they don't. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Jeff Forbes Subject: re:Job posting-head carpenter Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:26:53 -0700 On Jul 24, 2005, at 3:01 AM, Bill Sapsis wrote: > Anyone want to buy a business in > Philadelphia? > After the article in this months Entertainment design, business should start looking up. Jeff Forbes jeffforbes [at] earthlink.net PMB 124 6820 SE Foster Rd Portland, OR 97206 http://www.performanceworksnw.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:28:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info In-reply-to: Message-id: <2238.172.138.101.242.1122424088.squirrel [at] 172.138.101.242> References: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- We do work as hard as they do, we know > things that they don't know, although they don't know it, and yet, we get > paid to make theatre when they get paid to think about theatre. Well, one of the cornerstones of the US economy (and probably most economies) is that people who think about something always get paid more than the people who do it. These people are usually called "consultants." Steve L. (with apologies to any consultants on the list -- I know you guys actually "do" theatre) ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:33:16 -0400 Message-ID: <002601c59242$cb05d0e0$6801a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > (with apologies to any consultants on the list -- I know you > guys actually "do" theatre) A good theatre consultant is worth her or his weight in gold, but in a just world, anyone who consulted on a new theater building would be required to work in the building for 6 months after it opened. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42E6D998.8040808 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:47:20 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Show record photography advice References: In-Reply-To: Do you shoot with a Tripod for the digital photos? Tom Grabowski wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > I need some advice on shooting record shots of sets and lighting for productions. > -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050727010051.72974.qmail [at] web52209.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:00:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Flooring options In-Reply-To: Hey All, Sorry to take so long to respond, but got distracted by a new baby and moving my home office. Some more details about this product, Stageboard Flooring; it is impervious to tape damage, holds up to road cases and other traffic, easy to work with, drill, screw, etc, looks like a million bucks from the house, any scrapes or gouges are still invisible In 2003 we paid $35 for a 4' x 8' x 1/4" sheet (since we were replacing 1/4" masonite), 3/8" was $36.50. Shipping 50 sheets or so from Canada ran about $350. Renew Resources took our City purchase order. Their main line of business is plastic boards and other outdoor decking materials. You can contact them for a sample and current prices (I assume it is still available) Tom McLean Renew Resources 800-439-5028 780 Birchmount Road Unit 1 Toronto, ON M1K 5H4 www.renewresources.com (which has no info on this product :() Being plastic, we did have static electricity issues after we installed it and it created a lot of Clear-com gremlins. Our retrospective solution for that would be to put down a grid of 2' wide metal window screen that gets grounded to the fly rail steel, then lay the plastic floor over the top and screw through the floor and screen. As I say, this is retrospective and may or may not solve the problem. We did invest in a couple of grounded, anti-static mats in the DL and DR positions that help considerably. In the winter, it doesn't sweep very well, but some sweeping compound may help; we haven't tried it. Another static issue. We also had some problems with the sheets not being quite square, but it was a small enough difference for us that we were able to over-look it. The only complaints we have ever gotten were from classical musicians who consider the space to be very "dry" now. I have to admit, this is one of a very few products in my life that does exactly what it claims, and over performs. It would almost make me consider being in sales again. Let me know if you have any other questions. Paul __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050726203258.01d71438 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:39:20 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Job Posting - Head Carp - Chan Centre - more info In-Reply-To: References:

That would allow most consultants maybe a project a year. Their weight in gold would be what you'd end up paying... Do the math--today's close in NY was $425.30/oz. Mike At 07:33 PM 7/26/2005, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >A good theatre consultant is worth her or his weight in gold, but in a just >world, anyone who consulted on a new theater building would be required to >work in the building for 6 months after it opened. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050726203926.03d95eb0 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:40:32 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Flooring options In-Reply-To: References:

How is it when wet? (water, fog fluid, bubble machines...) How about dance? Mike Brubaker At 08:00 PM 7/26/2005, Paul Marsland wrote: >details about this product, Stageboard Flooring; ------------------------------ Message-Id: <1278EF41-897E-449A-BD56-8766BDAC6225 [at] interstellar.com> From: Jerry Durand Subject: RGB lighting idea Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:35:05 -0700 I was just reading in smalltimes magazine about the RGB spinning color wheels used for the DLP projection TV systems and a thought occurred to me... How about a luminaire that has a white light source that can be pulsed (LED, fluorescent, whatever) with the spinning wheel in front of it. By PWM dimming the light through each section of the wheel, you could generate what appeared to be a color beam, just like the DLP TV sets. I guess you could also use an arc lamp and a DLP chip that just oscillated between all on/all off and the color wheel. Long life, simple mechanicals (motor like the type to spin a hard disk, quiet and long lived). Ok, shoot me down. :) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <02ab01c59255$097e1320$6401a8c0 [at] chris> From: "Chris Warner" References: Subject: Re: RGB lighting idea Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:43:57 -0700 I like the idea. Might be something for me to work on after I finish my current embedded project. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Durand" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 7:35 PM Subject: RGB lighting idea > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I was just reading in smalltimes magazine about the RGB spinning > color wheels used for the DLP projection TV systems and a thought > occurred to me... > > How about a luminaire that has a white light source that can be > pulsed (LED, fluorescent, whatever) with the spinning wheel in front > of it. By PWM dimming the light through each section of the wheel, > you could generate what appeared to be a color beam, just like the > DLP TV sets. > > I guess you could also use an arc lamp and a DLP chip that just > oscillated between all on/all off and the color wheel. > > Long life, simple mechanicals (motor like the type to spin a hard > disk, quiet and long lived). > > Ok, shoot me down. :) > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 7/25/2005 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000401c59254$c75e4780$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: RGB lighting idea Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:42:06 -0700 > How about a luminaire that has a white light source that can be pulsed > (LED, fluorescent, whatever) with the spinning wheel in front of it. By > PWM dimming the light through each section of the wheel, you could > generate what appeared to be a color beam, just like the DLP TV sets. > > I guess you could also use an arc lamp and a DLP chip that just > oscillated between all on/all off and the color wheel. > > Long life, simple mechanicals (motor like the type to spin a hard disk, > quiet and long lived). > Dear Mr. Durand: Thank you for your interesting, yet impractical idea. We here at Color Kinetics thank you for your submission, but we must inform you that we own all intellectual rights to the transmission of wavelengths, real or imagined. Your idea, though preposterous, is technology we believe we own, even though we haven't created it yet. Thanks to you, we may go ahead and develop the idea, just to prove to you that it's preposterous. Or, we may just let you go ahead and develop it, then we'll sue you after the fact. Have a nice day. - Noj Sera, VP of IP, Color Kinetics ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <3BE3F384-69EA-408E-9874-310AEE380BEF [at] interstellar.com> From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: RGB lighting idea Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:51:56 -0700 On Jul 26, 2005, at 7:42 PM, Jon Ares wrote: > Dear Mr. Durand: > > Thank you for your interesting, yet impractical idea. We here at > Color Kinetics thank you for your submission, but we must inform > you that we own all intellectual rights to the transmission of > wavelengths, real or imagined. Your idea, though preposterous, is > technology we believe we own, even though we haven't created it > yet. Thanks to you, we may go ahead and develop the idea, just to > prove to you that it's preposterous. Or, we may just let you go > ahead and develop it, then we'll sue you after the fact. Have a > nice day. > > - Noj Sera, VP of IP, Color Kinetics > > Dear Mr Funny Name, Thank you for your assumption of my submittal, but since I posted this in a public place, YOU can not patent it (well, you can patent anything, but it's kind of hard to enforce). Oh, and don't even think of patenting a modification using Flux Capacitors! Insincerely, Mr. Interstellar ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #470 *****************************