Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24050509; Fri, 05 Aug 2005 03:00:55 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #479 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 03:00:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #479 1. Re: Looking for small rope blocks by Cosmo Catalano 2. Turntable opinions wanted by "Frank E. Merrill" 3. DMX controlled relays by Bill Schaffell 4. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by "Jon Ares" 5. Re: DMX controlled relays by Charlie Richmond 6. Re: DMX controlled relays by "Tony Deeming" 7. Re: DMX controlled relays by "Steve B." 8. Re: DMX controlled relays by Charlie Richmond 9. Re: DMX controlled relays by Charlie Richmond 10. Re: DMX controlled relays by "Paul Sanow" 11. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 12. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by "Peter Scheu" 13. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by "Nigel Worsley" 14. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by Dale Farmer 15. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by Mark O'Brien 16. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by "Davis, Thomas J" 17. Re: DMX controlled relays by "Abby Downing" 18. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by Jerry Durand 19. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by Charlie Richmond 20. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by Jerry Durand 21. Re: DMX controlled relays by Greg Bierly 22. Followspots by Paul Marsland 23. Re: DMX controlled relays by "Chris Warner" 24. More about turntables by "Frank E. Merrill" 25. Re: DMX controlled relays by Dale Farmer 26. Re: More about turntables by "Peter Scheu" 27. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by "Occy" 28. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 29. Re: Followspots by "Occy" 30. Theatre for rehearsal / tech week ? by IAEG [at] aol.com 31. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by "Occy" 32. Re: Turntable opinions wanted by Stuart Wheaton 33. Re: small wire rope blocks by Steven Hood 34. Re: More about turntables by MissWisc [at] aol.com 35. Re: More about turntables by "Michael Diederich" 36. Re: small wire rope blocks by Delbert Hall 37. Re: More about turntables by "Bill Nelson" 38. Re: More about turntables by "Tony Deeming" 39. Re: More about turntables by Delbert Hall 40. Boston Opera House by "Josh Ratty" 41. Re: rigging certification exam by Bill Sapsis 42. Re: Dimmers available by "Sam Fisher" 43. Job Posting - Sound Engineer by "Fred Schoening" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 07:39:46 -0400 From: Cosmo Catalano Subject: Re: Looking for small rope blocks In-reply-to: Cc: mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net Message-id: <8549d1bd67270a14db82cf37b2482093 [at] williams.edu> References: www.mcmastercarr.com Search for: #3099t34 These are fixed blocks (i.e not swivel) I've used them for trick line and 1/16th and 1/8th inch wire rope with no problems. The most difficult part is creating a mounting plate (I've built several that are made to mount these to 1.5 nom pipe and 2x2 sq tube). They used to make a swivel model, but I don't see it in the catalogue right now. At $5.25 they are much cheaper than anything you'll get from a boat place, they are rated, and pretty quiet. The D/d ratio is a little small for wire rope, but I have had no issues with excessive wear in limited production runs. The sheaves are smooth enough, even if they don't turn with a lightly loaded bit of trick line, they won't wear on it or cause lots of friction. The side plates are tightly fitted so trick line won't jam between the cheek and sheave. Near by in the catalogue are also sheaves you can purchase to make your own blocks with a variety of bearings and materials. Cosmo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:51:34 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1075247011.20050804105134 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Turntable opinions wanted Howdy ! I'm consulting for an architect that has been asked to include a permanent motorized turntable in the center of the stage in a modest sized High School he is renovating. The job is 'way over budget already and I can't for the life of me understand why the turntable shouldn't be deleted. It is estimated that the turntable and associated material and labor to accomodate it will add about $75,000 to the job. I can think of a long list of reasons to delete the turntable. Can anyone provide a list of five reason why it should be kept in, please? Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42F2385D.2040804 [at] earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:46:37 -0700 From: Bill Schaffell Subject: DMX controlled relays References: I am looking for a source for the rental or purchase of multi channel, 120v relays that can be triggered via DMX. I want to be able to fire off our cannons (.20 amps each) via show control. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Contact me on or off list. Thanks, Bill Schaffell WJS Studios 909-986-2363 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000301c5990d$dd597860$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) References: Subject: Re: Turntable opinions wanted Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:02:07 -0700 > I can think of a long list of reasons to delete the turntable. Can > anyone provide a list of five reason why it should be kept in, please? > Car shows? :) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:01:32 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: DMX controlled relays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Bill Schaffell wrote: > I am looking for a source for the rental or purchase of multi channel, 120v > relays that can be triggered via DMX. I want to be able to fire off our > cannons (.20 amps each) via show control. Any suggestions will be > appreciated. Contact me on or off list. I recommend the MIDI Solutions R8, which is easily triggered by MSC (MIDI Show Control): http://www.midisolutions.com/prodr8.htm Charlie -- + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" + + Show Control List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/sclist.html + ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: DMX controlled relays Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:05:18 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Bill > Schaffell > Sent: 04 August 2005 16:47 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: DMX controlled relays > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am looking for a source for the rental or purchase of multi channel, > 120v relays that can be triggered via DMX. I want to be able to fire off > our cannons (.20 amps each) via show control. Any suggestions will be > appreciated. Contact me on or off list. > > Thanks, > > Bill Schaffell > WJS Studios > 909-986-2363 > > First question - can you clarify 'cannons'? You're surely not talking about firing pyro cannons by DMX.....? TD ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:08:09 -0400 From: "Steve B." Subject: Re: DMX controlled relays Message-id: <005b01c5990e$b5743190$6401a8c0 [at] SBFF> References: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Schaffell" > I am looking for a source for the rental or purchase of multi channel, > 120v relays that can be triggered via DMX. I want to be able to fire off > our cannons (.20 amps each) via show control. Any suggestions will be > appreciated. Contact me on or off list. How 'bout renting from a local shop an ETC Sensor pack, 12 dimmer ?, 24 ?, etc... with relays instead of dimmers ?. SB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:07:42 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: DMX controlled relays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Charlie Richmond wrote: > I recommend the MIDI Solutions R8, which is easily triggered by MSC (MIDI > Show Control): http://www.midisolutions.com/prodr8.htm I just checked the specs and see that they recommend a maximum 10W load but our experience is that 0.2A [at] 120VAC should not be a problem... Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:10:14 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: DMX controlled relays In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Tony Deeming wrote: > First question - can you clarify 'cannons'? > > You're surely not talking about firing pyro cannons by DMX.....? This is a good point! The safest way to do this is to use a show controller connected with a PLC, like our ShowMan/Automation_Direct E-Show package. For safe show control techniques, I recommend joining the Show-Control mailing list and talking with the 800 professionals there... ;-) See my sig... Charlie -- + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" + + Show Control List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/sclist.html + ------------------------------ Subject: RE: DMX controlled relays Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:19:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Paul Sanow" > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Schaffell [mailto:wjss [at] earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:47 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: DMX controlled relays snip > I am looking for a source for the rental or purchase of multi=20 > channel,=20 > 120v relays that can be triggered via DMX. I want to be able=20 > to fire off=20 > our cannons (.20 amps each) via show control. Any suggestions will be=20 > appreciated. Contact me on or off list. There are two very good options for DMX controlled relays / relay = drivers Pathway Connectivity www.pathwayconnect.com/products.html Look at the relay drivers or contact cards. Lots of configuration options. I believe the specs match your needs. Doug Fleenor Design www.dfd.com/96oc.html This would require an outboard relay arrangement, which shouldn't be too = hard to manage. I've not personally used the product. We are dealers for both, and they are great suppliers for us. Regards, Paul *********************************************************** Paul Sanow psanow [at] vls.com Technical Sales www.vincentlighting.com Vincent Lighting Systems 1420 Jamike Ln. #2 Erlanger, KY 41018 (859) 525-2000 x211 FAX (859) 525-2050 *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Turntable opinions wanted Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:19:54 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c59910$5c6a1630$6801a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > > I can think of a long list of reasons to delete the turntable. Can > > anyone provide a list of five reason why it should be kept > in, please? > > > > > Car shows? :) 2. It's alsways good for students to learn equipment they'll rarely see again. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill') Subject: RE: Turntable opinions wanted Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:26:55 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <002101c59911$54a60f70$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-Reply-To: Frank E. Merrill wrote: >I can think of a long list of reasons to delete the turntable. > Can anyone provide a list of five reason why it should be >kept in, please? The school didn't want it, so it will never be maintained, will fail early, and be inoperative in short order. So (eventually) they will get what they want Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007a01c59911$6dfa6f70$0e00a8c0 [at] Nogle> From: "Nigel Worsley" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) References: Subject: Re: Turntable opinions wanted Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:27:22 +0100 > I can think of a long list of reasons to delete the turntable. Can > anyone provide a list of five reason why it should be kept in, please? 1. So that a production of 'Noises off' doesn't need to build or hire one. 2. So wardrobe can set up a giant rotary drier ( retractable roof needed for best results ). 3. So that the facility can double up as a rotating bar. 4. So you can put a giant globe on it and sing 'money ( $75,000 of it! ) makes the world go around'. 5. So the architect can sit in the middle of it and watch the universe revolve around him. Nigel Worsley ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42F24290.AD9D6282 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 12:30:08 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Turntable opinions wanted References: "Frank E. Merrill" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy ! > > I'm consulting for an architect that has been asked to include a > permanent motorized turntable in the center of the stage in a modest > sized High School he is renovating. The job is 'way over budget > already and I can't for the life of me understand why the turntable > shouldn't be deleted. > > It is estimated that the turntable and associated material and labor > to accomodate it will add about $75,000 to the job. > > I can think of a long list of reasons to delete the turntable. Can > anyone provide a list of five reason why it should be kept in, please? 1. So the theater dept./principal/school committee/etc. can brag that they have a turntable on their stage. Can't really think of another for a high school. Now if this was the NYC performing arts high school, or something similar, then it would be worth it, otherwise, it is a lot of money for not that much return in a typical US high school --Dale ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Turntable opinions wanted Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:32:15 -0700 Me, I like turntables... And if the price is REALLY 75K, I would be surprised. That said, I cannot imagine what kind of turntable 75K will buy you these days. If you get a piece of crap for a turntable, I agree none is better than having a balky cranky TT, that makes the floor uneven with big gaps. Another factor, is if the space has no fly loft, a turntable could give some options for scenery for years to come, although the hometown audience will soon tire of seeing the damn thing. If it gets installed, make damn sure it has a key-switch, as for some reason people love to play on turntables. (as if a key-switch would stop me) Mark-O Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Aug 4, 2005, at 8:51 AM, Frank E. Merrill wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy ! > > I'm consulting for an architect that has been asked to include a > permanent motorized turntable in the center of the stage in a modest > sized High School he is renovating. The job is 'way over budget > already and I can't for the life of me understand why the turntable > shouldn't be deleted. > > It is estimated that the turntable and associated material and labor > to accomodate it will add about $75,000 to the job. > > I can think of a long list of reasons to delete the turntable. Can > anyone provide a list of five reason why it should be kept in, please? > > Best regards, > Frank E. Merrill > MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT > Indianapolis > Established 1946 > www.merrillstage.com mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Turntable opinions wanted Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:35:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A9212 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) Is this one of those high schools with 75 computer controlled line sets, hydraulic pit and flying catwalks for every electric? And, of course, 250 source 4s for a 500 seat house. I suspect either the architect or the drama teacher had a turntable in their college stage, and doesn't know how to live without one. In any case, maybe THEY should come up with 5 reasons that the local taxpayers should pay for it. Of course, like everyone else, I'd love to have a turntable built into my stage, and while I can come up with 5 reasons to have one (1-scene changes, 2- dramatic effect, 3- long walking/ traveling scenes- as in Annie or Grapes of Wrath, 4- renting the place out for industrial presentations- ie: car shows, and 5- preparing students to work in civilized societies with publicly supported theaters- in case they move to Europe or Canada), I think you have 75,000 reasons not to. Tom Davis -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Frank E. Merrill Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:52 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Turntable opinions wanted For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Howdy ! I'm consulting for an architect that has been asked to include a permanent motorized turntable in the center of the stage in a modest sized High School he is renovating. The job is 'way over budget already and I can't for the life of me understand why the turntable shouldn't be deleted. It is estimated that the turntable and associated material and labor to accomodate it will add about $75,000 to the job. I can think of a long list of reasons to delete the turntable. Can anyone provide a list of five reason why it should be kept in, please? Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Subject: RE: DMX controlled relays Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:26:18 -0400 Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA1CC798 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local> From: "Abby Downing" Bill, ETC has a new product called the SmartSwitch(tm). =20 See the following information below. If you need further information, please see ETC's website- www.etcconnect.com - or contact me off list. =20 The fundamentals of switching are covered by this workhorse compact cabinet unit by ETC that holds up to 24 relays. SmartSwitch provides get-the-job-done 'on-off' functionality for any light, controlling your relays via DMX or SmartLink(tm). Basic applications like schools, restaurants, churches or office buildings benefit from the simplicity and power of the SmartSwitch solution. Flexible and adaptable, SmartSwitch handles a wide variety of load types and is ready for the future when you need more functionality: just add more relays as necessary. =20 Features Manual or DMX control of relays Mechanically latching 20A H.I.D. rated relays by Aromat Relays can be added in the field Rugged steel industrial enclosure Single pole (120/277V) and double pole relays Smart compact cabinet holds up to 24 relays Supports multiple load types Hope this helps! Abby =20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050804103344.029bd518 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:34:33 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Turntable opinions wanted In-Reply-To: References: At 09:27 AM 8/4/2005, you wrote: >3. So that the facility can double up as a rotating bar. There you go, during intermission the stage rotates and becomes a bar so the patrons can get lubricated for the second half. :) -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:37:51 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Turntable opinions wanted In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Jerry Durand wrote: > There you go, during intermission the stage rotates and becomes a bar so the > patrons can get lubricated for the second half. :) In a high school? C ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050804104206.044498d0 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 10:42:16 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Turntable opinions wanted In-Reply-To: References: At 10:37 AM 8/4/2005, you wrote: >On Thu, 4 Aug 2005, Jerry Durand wrote: > >>There you go, during intermission the stage rotates and becomes a >>bar so the patrons can get lubricated for the second half. :) > >In a high school? PARENTS -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1cac4f02e65fe5d351bfa510cc07a5a6 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: DMX controlled relays Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:48:06 -0400 > You're surely not talking about firing pyro cannons by DMX.....? Kid Rock's show pyro ran off a small Leprecon console. Very cool "Dragon's breath" could be fired with the bump button to make shooting fireballs or run by fader to make varying height columns of flame. I didn't look that closely but IIRC the DMX was just the control surface which ran through a pyro controller with key switches and E shutoffs. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050804175409.69527.qmail [at] web52202.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:54:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Followspots In-Reply-To: In our road house, we have Juliat Aremis spots at 2.5kw (but on 220v service) We bought them for their wonderful size, great intensity, and incredible spotting (9" [at] 165'). We love them but the tours hate them for the different dousing mechanisms than they are used to. So we move them out of place and put in the spots the tour carries (usually Lycian 1290s, sometimes Strongs). I believe that Juliat's product line graduates to 220v service once the user graduates to 100' or so. I find them easier to work on than the Lycian 1275s we replaced, but I think it is more what I am used to rather than ease of service. I would suggest that you look for followspots that your locals (crew people and vendors) are used to. I am coming to think that with so many products on the market nowadays, the most important issues with buying new gear is the user- and service- friendliness rather than some mechanical tweak in the product. Case in point; We bought our new Juliats for the reasons I stated above. One nice feature of the followspot is a sliding counterweight on the underside of the back end. Takes care of the boomerang and assorted accessories and add-ons. So when I trek up to the booth some months later to check something, I find a roll of gaff tape and a miscellaneous chunk of metal tied onto the back handle of the spot for counterweight. Old habits die hard. Is our crew trainable? Of course! But in times of need, will they resort to a ten (or twenty)-year-old practice? Of course. Paul ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Message-ID: <009801c59922$6865d890$6401a8c0 [at] chris> From: "Chris Warner" References: Subject: Re: DMX controlled relays Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:29:10 -0700 On Subject of DMX controller relays, anyone ever see a device that will allow changing dimmer/circuit patches remotely from a DMX console? May sound funny, but I happen to run into this often when working in smaller venues. Thanks in advance. Chris Warner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sanow" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 9:19 AM Subject: Re: DMX controlled relays For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Schaffell [mailto:wjss [at] earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 11:47 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: DMX controlled relays snip > I am looking for a source for the rental or purchase of multi > channel, > 120v relays that can be triggered via DMX. I want to be able > to fire off > our cannons (.20 amps each) via show control. Any suggestions will be > appreciated. Contact me on or off list. There are two very good options for DMX controlled relays / relay drivers Pathway Connectivity www.pathwayconnect.com/products.html Look at the relay drivers or contact cards. Lots of configuration options. I believe the specs match your needs. Doug Fleenor Design www.dfd.com/96oc.html This would require an outboard relay arrangement, which shouldn't be too hard to manage. I've not personally used the product. We are dealers for both, and they are great suppliers for us. Regards, Paul *********************************************************** Paul Sanow psanow [at] vls.com Technical Sales www.vincentlighting.com Vincent Lighting Systems 1420 Jamike Ln. #2 Erlanger, KY 41018 (859) 525-2000 x211 FAX (859) 525-2050 *********************************************************** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.9/62 - Release Date: 8/2/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.0/63 - Release Date: 8/3/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 13:30:01 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1979512766.20050804133001 [at] tcon.net> Subject: More about turntables Howdy again! My thanks to all that have proffered opinions about turntables in high school. I neglected to mention earlier that it is the unidentifieable entity known as "the administration", not the architect nor the lone drama teacher, that wants the turntable. The reason behind their thirst is because they had seen a play at another school whre a turntable had been built for the show and thought something like "Gee, that's cool! I'll have one of those for my new building!" Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42F263B1.755C21E8 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 14:51:29 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: DMX controlled relays References: Chris Warner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Subject of DMX controller relays, anyone ever see a device that will > allow changing dimmer/circuit patches remotely from a DMX console? May > sound funny, but I happen to run into this often when working in smaller > venues. > > Thanks in advance. > Chris Warner Never seen one. I suspect that any one that one could build today would be less expensive than just adding dimmers. --Dale ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ('Frank E. Merrill') Subject: RE: More about turntables Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:12:44 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: <000201c59928$7ed13ab0$c9fea8c0 [at] ROXY> In-reply-to: Frank E. Merrill wrote: >The reason behind their thirst is because they had=20 >seen a play at another school whre a turntable had been built=20 >for the show and thought something like "Gee, that's cool!=20 >I'll have one of those for my new building!" This is such a common story. Did the "lone drama teacher" have any input at all during the = programming or design phases? Fulfilling "wants" instead of "needs" is such a waste of money! Frank, I think it would be your fiduciary responsibility to push the = issue and find out what the drama teacher REALLY needs (or thinks he/she = needs). If nothing else, they should have a track record of productions that = shows their technical sophistication, and whether or not they really need such = a white elephant. But, I'm preaching to the choir, right Frank? Even if you could get a reliable turntable installed for the laughingly = low price of $75K, I could think of dozens of other things they could buy = that would be much more useful in the long run. That may be a way to go. Give them a list of all the other things they CAN'T have if they buy a = turntable? When will a school ever get $75K in capital improvements again? Good luck! Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com References: Subject: Re: Turntable opinions wanted Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:16:58 -0700 Not sure about you guys but I set up and run a turntable at least 2 times some more each summer and its 56 foot diameter with all the carts and wagons it takes up a 53 foot trailer and rents for 10k usd a pop. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" > > > I can think of a long list of reasons to delete the turntable. Can > > > anyone provide a list of five reason why it should be kept > > in, please? > > > > > > > > > Car shows? :) > > 2. It's alsways good for students to learn equipment they'll rarely see > again. > > > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Turntable opinions wanted Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:18:46 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c59929$59282840$6801a8c0 [at] Dell> In-reply-to: > rents for 10k usd a pop. ...Which is why I said, they'll rarely see such things. ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Followspots Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:34:27 -0700 The Juliat Aremis SUCK, they are wonky, clunky, too hot( for the operator ). I would use a cyber without the mirror before I would use or buy Juliat Aremis! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Marsland" > > In our road house, we have Juliat Aremis spots at > 2.5kw (but on 220v service) We bought them for their > wonderful size, great intensity, and incredible > spotting (9" [at] 165'). We love them but the tours hate > them for the different dousing mechanisms than they > are used to. So we move them out of place and put in > the spots the tour carries (usually Lycian 1290s, > sometimes Strongs). ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <19a.3930f2da.3023ca12 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:44:18 EDT Subject: Theatre for rehearsal / tech week ? Any of you out TD's out there there, with some "clout" in your facility, in the general PA / NJ / NY / OH / IL / MI (what do we call that, , Mid Atlantic / Mid West etc etc?) area ( and even those just out of that area ) that would have a medium to large proscenium venue, (college, or otherwise) that would be interested in talking to me about bringing a show there for 2 - 3 days of tech, rehearsal and then a couple of "preview" performances before heading out on the road ? Looking at February of 2006 would be a very very intersting production for your tech students to get involved with as well Please get back to me off list of course, , very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com References: Subject: Re: Turntable opinions wanted Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 12:48:54 -0700 Not that I have been to it but Oz Fest tours with one. But the rental come with transportation, freshly painted deck, spare motor controler, spare motor, and guy to teach the setup, plus the backup drive system when all else fails. ----- Original Message ----- > > > rents for 10k usd a pop. > > ...Which is why I said, they'll rarely see such things. > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42F28998.9090300 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 17:33:12 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Turntable opinions wanted References: In-Reply-To: Frank E. Merrill wrote: > > I can think of a long list of reasons to delete the turntable. Can > anyone provide a list of five reason why it should be kept in, please? > 1. The Architect's Brother in Law is the turntable contractor. 2. The architect's Mom is the flooring contractor. 3. The Architect's dad is the electrical contractor. 4. The architect never got to put in a turntable before, and he really thinks it would be cool! 5. He's already drafted it and doesn't want to change the drawings. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050804213152.46770.qmail [at] web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:31:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Steven Hood Subject: Re: small wire rope blocks In-Reply-To: Rose Brand carries small blocks by a company called Block Division (http://www.blockdivision.com). Price is lower than the $20 range, and Grainger also sells their stuff. According to their web-page (was there looking myself this morning), they now make blocks for 1/8" wire rope (besides the rest of the line for 3/16", 1/4", and on up). All of their stuff is stamped with a RWL or SWL... I've got a few already, and I'm getting ready to buy some more for a weird little rig we're doing for The Foreigner... Slainte y'all, Steven Hood TD, Regent Uni ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <142.4ab125f2.3023e76d [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:49:33 EDT Subject: Re: More about turntables In a message dated 8/4/2005 1:30:38 PM Central Daylight Time, Lamplighter [at] tcon.net writes: <> "Les Miz" School Edition anyone??? Makes sense to me! After all, the football team got that cool "press box" so the local weekly fish wrap could have a place to put their rookie reporter for 5 Friday nights in the fall, the basketball team got the 27-kinds-of-hardwood-inlayed-logo in the middle of the court (which had to be removed and replaced because it was a logo of a very "feathered" Native American chief), and the cheerleaders got uniforms that reveal enough skin to get them arrested in most countries of the world! Besides,,, if you do "Carousel" all you need to do is screw some horses into it. (Eqqus anyone?) Bottom line is this... it's not safe for a HS unless the Powers That Be can assure that a highly TRAINED, (legally) COMPETENT adult will be supervising everything that goes on in that space in perpetuity. That won't happen. God bless you for asking for the devil's advocate's opinion, Frank. I'd suggest they put that $$ into a truly beautiful proscenium arch, a main rag that's gorgeous, and enough bathroom stalls that you can have a 10 minute intermission that doesn't always run to 20. THAT will impress their visitors! Kristi ------------------------------ Subject: RE: More about turntables Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:20:27 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Michael Diederich" >>>> I'd suggest they put that $$ into a truly beautiful proscenium arch, a main =20 rag that's gorgeous, and enough bathroom stalls that you can have a 10 minute =20 intermission that doesn't always run to 20. THAT will impress their visitors!<<<<<< Backstage space and storage are huge too, the audience won't see that, but the parents of the kids that use the facility won't have to hear from their daughters/sons "[person of the opposite sex] holds next costume while I strip down because we have to share dressing rooms."=20 It happens a lot in the theater, but that doesn't mean High school kid's parents like it... And I find selling piece of mind (for parents) to administration can be easy if you do it right.=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:21:28 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Reply-To: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: small wire rope blocks In-Reply-To: References: The D:d ratio on most of Block Division's pulleys is pretty low. For examble: their model 01548 has a D:d ratio of just over 5. This is OK for rope, but very low for cable. Assuming a 7x19 cable, the strength efficiency is immedialy reduced to 77% and the life of the cable will be dramaticly shortened. Their model 02548-1/8 blocks (for 1/8" cable) have the best D:d ratio - 18. That is acceptable (strength efficiency about 90%). It appears that all the sheaves in these blocks use bushings, not bearings, so you will have a fairly high amount of friction compared to sheaves with precision bearings. This is probably fine if the weight is low and you only have a few pulleys in each system. I am not saying that these are bad pulleys. I am just saying that they are what they are. -Delbert On 8/4/05, Steven Hood wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Rose Brand carries small blocks by a company called > Block Division (http://www.blockdivision.com). Price > is lower than the $20 range, and Grainger also sells > their stuff. According to their web-page (was there > looking myself this morning), they now make blocks for > 1/8" wire rope (besides the rest of the line for > 3/16", 1/4", and on up). All of their stuff is stamped > with a RWL or SWL... I've got a few already, and I'm > getting ready to buy some more for a weird little rig > we're doing for The Foreigner... >=20 > Slainte y'all, > Steven Hood > TD, Regent Uni ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3120.64.28.63.140.1123197106.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: More about turntables From: "Bill Nelson" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) > My thanks to all that have proffered opinions about turntables in high > school. I neglected to mention earlier that it is the unidentifieable > entity known as "the administration", not the architect nor the lone > drama teacher, that wants the turntable. The reason behind their > thirst is because they had seen a play at another school whre a > turntable had been built for the show and thought something like "Gee, > that's cool! I'll have one of those for my new building!" Yeah. The same reason high schools get dozens of intelligent lights. Would $75K even fund a decent permanent turntable? I would much rather see the TD build a temporary reuseable turntable. That can be done for a couple of thousand dollars - and can be stored when not needed, so there is no temptation to play with it. And since it would be an effort to move it, there wouldn't be the temptation to use it unless it really added to the production. My local venue has such a turntable and it has only been used 3 or 4 times in the past 5 years. Nor can I think of any other productions where it would have provided any advantage. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) Subject: RE: More about turntables Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 00:45:16 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Frank E. > Merrill > Sent: 04 August 2005 19:30 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: More about turntables > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Howdy again! > > My thanks to all that have proffered opinions about turntables in high > school. I neglected to mention earlier that it is the unidentifieable > entity known as "the administration", not the architect nor the lone > drama teacher, that wants the turntable. The reason behind their > thirst is because they had seen a play at another school whre a > turntable had been built for the show and thought something like "Gee, > that's cool! I'll have one of those for my new building!" > > Best regards, > Frank E. Merrill In that case it's the WORST reason of all for HAVING the turntable!! recommend they bin it and spend the cash on something more useable - I'm sure you can think of many options!! TD ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:59:05 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Reply-To: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: More about turntables In-Reply-To: References: When I taught at the Univ. of Miami (FL) in 1980-81, they had a permanent turnable in the Ring Theatre. It no longer worked and the cost to fix it was outrageous, so it just sat there. -Delbert --=20 Delbert Hall Phone: 423-773-4255 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 20:06:25 -0400 From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: Boston Opera House In-reply-to: Message-id: <006001c59951$85cdb9a0$0201000a [at] Rattys> Since this venue gets mention fairly often I thought this may be of interest. http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/articles/2005/08/04/mayor_fighting _effort_to_rename_opera_house/ Josh Ratty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:21:28 -0400 Subject: Re: rigging certification exam From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: For all the procrastinators amongst us, I've been asked to pass this along. ETCP RIGGING EXAM DEADLINE EXTENDED TO SEPTEMBER 1ST Due to overwhelming interest, the ETCP Council has voted to extend the application deadline for the first ETCP rigging examinations (arena and theatre) to September 1, 2005. Both exams will be held on Saturday, November 12th in conjunction with the ETS-LDI tradeshow. Riggers who pass these rigorous tests will become ETCP Certified Riggers - and will be recognized as the industry's best. Candidates who pass the examinations in November 2005 will be acknowledged as the only members of the "Class of 2005" on the ETCP website and will be the first ETCP Certified Riggers in North America. Take advantage of this opportunity to join your peers in the "Class of 2005." In a recent survey of industry employers, 81 percent said they would encourage employees or personnel working in their venues to seek certification in rigging. This finding shows that employers want an objective tool that helps them assess riggers' skills. ETCP Certification provides that tool, helping employers immediately identify riggers with proven capabilities. ETCP also helps the riggers themselves by giving them a credential - ETCP Certified - that unmistakably says, "I know what I'm doing." If you're a rigger, get ready to show the industry what you know. Learn more about ETCP certification by visiting etcp.esta.org, calling 212.244.1505 or e-mailing certification [at] esta.org. Thanks Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ From: "Sam Fisher" Subject: RE: Dimmers available Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:54:04 -0400 In-reply-to: Message-ID: Tony, Is any of the stuff still available? I'm working with restoring a forgotten venue to a dinner theatre and they may need some additional Colortran cards, etc. Sam Fisher VP - Fisher Theatrical, LLC. 410-455-9641 office 410-455-9643 fax 410-961-0921 cell All information contained in this email, including any attachments, is to be treated as Confidential. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Tony Puglielli Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:45 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Dimmers available For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hey Everybody, We have just completed a lighting system upgrade in two of our three theaters. I have many Colortran D192 - 2.4k dimmer cards and racks available to anyone that may want them. I also have an LMI 96 dimmer touring rack and a pair of ETC Microvision light boards. Contact me off list and we can discuss cost and delivery. Thanks Tony Puglielli Associate Technical Director Electric & Sound Director Milwaukee Repertory Theater ph (414) 290-5394 fax (414) 224-9097 ------------------------------ From: "Fred Schoening" Subject: Job Posting - Sound Engineer Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 00:02:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000801c5997a$f0073070$1f8afea9 [at] PRODIGALBRAIN> Howdy, Stagecraft Peeps! My buddy Clay Benning at the Alliance Theatre Company asked me to forward this listing to y'all. If I may say so, Clay is a *great* guy to work with / for (he and I were roommates for two years) and he's managed to make the sound department there pretty darned cutting-edge (translation: really neat sound toys!) Anyway, on to the ad: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- Sound Engineer- The Alliance Theatre has an immediate opening for the position of Staff Sound Engineer. Strong technical and troubleshooting skills a must. Strong computer audio skills (Mac and PC) highly desirable. Essential responsibilities include: * Assisting with the acquisition and purchase of sound materials. * Operating Sound Department equipment for all assigned shows. * Maintaining records of show running information, levels and patch sheets. * Possibly touring with the Alliance Children's Theatre as Sound Engineer. * Loading in all sound equipment for Alliance productions as indicated by design. * Participating in the maintenance of equipment. * Assisting in repertory change-overs of shows Qualified Staff must be able to: * Lift at least 50 lbs. * Work safely with rigging equipment. * Operate hand and power tools safely. * Solder and perform routine maintenance on sound equipment. * Troubleshoot computer-based systems. Contract is full-time, 10+ month, seasonal. Weekly salary negotiable. This is an OT-eligible position. Full health benefits, matching 401k (vesting). Send resume and references to: Clay Benning, Alliance Theatre, 1280 Peachtree St NE, Atlanta, GA 30309 email: clay.benning [at] woodruffcenter.org fax:404-733-4773 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------- "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA "...a root word of technology, techne, originally meant 'art.' The ancient Greeks never separated art from manufacture in their minds, and so never developed separate words for them." - Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #479 *****************************