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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #481

 1. Re: turntable options
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
 2. Re: turntable options
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
 3. Re: Make fire from water
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
 4. Re: Make fire from water
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
 5. Re: Make fire from water
    by "Michael S. Eddy" <mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com>
 6. Re: Make fire from water
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
 7. Re: Make fire from water
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
 8. Re: Make fire from water
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 9. Re: Make fire from water
    by Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
10. Re: Make fire from water
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
11. Re: Make fire from water
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
12. Re: Make fire from water
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>

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Message-ID: <42F4D38B.9070008 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 11:13:15 -0400
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Subject: Re: turntable options
References: <list-24057151 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-24057151 [at] prxy.net>

RODOK!!! wrote:

> I don't have an installed turntable, and see little need for one except 
> that I am currently designing a HS production of "Les Mis." I have the 
> Yale Tech design, are there other economical, not necessarily motorized 
> designs out there?


I haven't tried it, but somebody was talking about a 
turntable built as follows....

A ring of plywood about an inch tall, almost the outside 
diameter of the desired TT, about 3 inches deep.

A disc of plywood of the proper diameter for the TT lid.

A pivot in the center of the ring.

Now dump in a bazillion golf or ping-pong balls so they 
loosely fill the ring, drop on the lid, and voila!

You could probably even do this with a set of concentric 
rings of balls, creating a set of ball bearing races.
I'd bet for a winter show, you might even get the balls on 
loan from the local driving range or golf course.

This would probably be a fairly noisy TT but quite low profile.

Stuart


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Message-Id: <534F5CF5-396A-4155-86D6-9CE3B677C016 [at] interstellar.com>
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: turntable options
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:39:04 -0700


On Aug 6, 2005, at 8:13 AM, Stuart Wheaton wrote:

> I haven't tried it, but somebody was talking about a turntable  
> built as follows....
>
> A ring of plywood about an inch tall, almost the outside diameter  
> of the desired TT, about 3 inches deep.
>

Another one that should work but I haven't done...

Build the table so it rests on spacers a short distance off the floor.

Add a flexible skirt around the edge*.

Pump in air and you how have an air bering table, rotate and turn off  
the air.

...
*  Alternate would be to have a solid skirt resting in a pool of  
water making a seal.  Only add enough air pressure to lift, not blow  
the water out.


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Message-Id: <F4E27E38-AA24-48BE-9143-26A4E1BF9C64 [at] interstellar.com>
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Make fire from water
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 09:39:36 -0700


On Aug 5, 2005, at 10:56 PM, Herrick Goldman wrote:

> No harmful exhaust.

Well, unburned H2 could be harmful.  And we all know O2 is a STRONG  
oxidizer and should be banned as dangerous.  :)

>
> Saw this on slashdot thought I would share
>
> <http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home/make-fire-from-water-116027.php>
>
> This could be a lot of fun onstage.
>

You know, there's no reason you couldn't seal the entire thing in a  
glass bottle.   A little water in the bottom, converted to H & O, the  
H burned inefficiently to give a visible flame, the rest of the H  
combined with the rest of the O2 with a catalyst, and a heat sink in  
the top to condense the water and recycle it.

It would definitely get remarks from people and it would NOT be an  
"open flame".  :)


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Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:51:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Make fire from water
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <BF1A62CC.61E3%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-24070206 [at] prxy.net>

It would certainly look better than those orange silk toys with the lights
and the fan in the bottom that EVERY vendor at LDI seems to sell as a
"unique" item. 



On 8/6/05 12:39 PM, "Jerry Durand" <jdurand [at] interstellar.com> wrote:


>> 
> 
> You know, there's no reason you couldn't seal the entire thing in a
> glass bottle.   A little water in the bottom, converted to H & O, the
> H burned inefficiently to give a visible flame, the rest of the H
> combined with the rest of the O2 with a catalyst, and a heat sink in
> the top to condense the water and recycle it.
> 
> It would definitely get remarks from people and it would NOT be an
> "open flame".  :)
> 
> 

-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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Reply-To: <mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com>
From: "Michael S. Eddy" <mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Make fire from water
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:00:33 -0400
In-Reply-To: <list-24070274 [at] prxy.net>

Herrick Goldman wrote: 
> It would certainly look better than those orange silk toys with the lights
> and the fan in the bottom that EVERY vendor at LDI seems to sell as a
> "unique" item.

Now, each and every one of those deserved the LDI Product of the Year Award.
We were proud of our award process! I think they have there own category
now.

I liked the follow up article that we did on an anniversary of LDI and to
see how many of the products that took product of the year ended up as
stinkers. There were a few good choices, Source 4 and more not so good
choices that will go unmentioned. Well, there was the revolutionary Kliegl
dimmer that never saw the light of day after that LDI. Maybe sunlight really
kills bad products.

Michael Eddy
Eddy Marketing & Consulting

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Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050806103242.029c3f30 [at] 192.168.0.13>
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 10:33:44 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Make fire from water
In-Reply-To: <list-24070274 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24070206 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-24070274 [at] prxy.net>

At 09:51 AM 8/6/2005, you wrote:
>It would certainly look better than those orange silk toys with the lights
>and the fan in the bottom that EVERY vendor at LDI seems to sell as a
>"unique" item.

Gee, I've never seen one of those before!  :)

Next thing you know someone will think of hooking a big cloth tube to 
a fan outside a car dealership.  :)



-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:05:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Make fire from water
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BF1A7421.6EFB%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-24070798 [at] prxy.net>

Hey, I inherited to of those fans and the
tall dancing flames from an industrial show.
They also work great to dry drops and scenery.

Steve

 
> Next thing you know someone will think of hooking a big cloth tube to
> a fan outside a car dealership.  :)
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jerry Durand
> Durand Interstellar, Inc.
> 219 Oak Wood Way
> Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
> tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
> web:  www.interstellar.com
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Make fire from water
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 14:40:22 -0400
Message-ID: <000201c59ab6$4e212e90$6a01a8c0 [at] pepys>
In-Reply-To: <list-24070206 [at] prxy.net>


> Well, unburned H2 could be harmful.

Just ask the passengers and crew of the Hindenburg.

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Message-ID: <42F535C0.9020706 [at] fuse.net>
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 18:12:16 -0400
From: Stuart Wheaton <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Make fire from water
References: <list-24071404 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-24071404 [at] prxy.net>

Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:
> 
>>Well, unburned H2 could be harmful.
> 
> 
> Just ask the passengers and crew of the Hindenburg.
> 

I think the _unburned_ Hydrogen was not the main source of 
their troubles...

And in fact later studies have shown that the fire was from 
the flammable outer covering of the dirigible.

And, only 35 of the 97 people aboard died, (And one ground 
crewman)  Which is not as good as a burning Air France jet, 
but pretty good nonetheless.

Stuart


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Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 18:39:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Make fire from water
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BF1AB44B.1649%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-24073314 [at] prxy.net>

Ok.  I admit that I haven't read the other posts on this thread but I gotta
ask...Why is a burning Air France jet good?
Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile


On 8/6/05 6:12 PM, "Stuart Wheaton" <sdwheaton [at] fuse.net> wrote:

> And, only 35 of the 97 people aboard died, (And one ground
> crewman)  Which is not as good as a burning Air France jet,
> but pretty good nonetheless.



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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Make fire from water
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 18:40:48 -0400
Message-ID: <000401c59ad7$e9af8ed0$6801a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-24073561 [at] prxy.net>


> Ok.  I admit that I haven't read the other posts on this 
> thread but I gotta ask...Why is a burning Air France jet good? Bill S.

Because no one died, which puts it ahead of the Hindenburg.



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Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 19:07:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Make fire from water
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BF1ABB0C.164C%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-24073584 [at] prxy.net>

Oooooooooooohhhhhh.
Now I get it.


On 8/6/05 6:40 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
>> Ok.  I admit that I haven't read the other posts on this
>> thread but I gotta ask...Why is a burning Air France jet good? Bill S.
> 
> Because no one died, which puts it ahead of the Hindenburg.
> 
> 



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