Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24146201; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 03:02:01 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #484 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 03:01:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #484 1. Re: Hazers....? by Stephen Litterst 2. Re: Make fire from water by Dale Farmer 3. Re: Make fire from water by "Paul Schreiner" 4. Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) by doran [at] bard.edu 5. Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) by Jerry Durand 6. Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) by Jerry Durand 7. Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) by Dale Farmer 8. Re: cellphone gas ignition by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 9. Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) by Bruce Purdy 10. Re: cellphone gas ignition by Jerry Durand 11. Re: cellphone gas ignition by Steve Larson 12. Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) by Steve Larson 13. Backstage passes, etc. by "Steve Jones" 14. Re: Backstage passes, etc. by Dale Farmer 15. Re: Backstage passes, etc. by "Steve Jones" 16. Follow up on ticketing software... by "Steve Jones" 17. Re: Hazers....? by John McKernon 18. Re: Backstage passes, etc. by Dale Farmer 19. Re: Backstage passes, etc. by "Steve B." 20. Re: Backstage passes, etc. by MissWisc [at] aol.com 21. Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) by "Bill Nelson" 22. Re: Hazers....? by Chris Echols 23. Re: RGB lighting by Dale Farmer 24. Re: RGB lighting by "Jerry Durand" 25. Re: RGB lighting by Dale Farmer *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:25:10 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Hazers....? In-reply-to: Message-id: <42F8BCC6.6080908 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > So, I'm looking for a new hazer. We currently use a DF-50, but we get fairly regular complaints about the noise. > > Setting is Proscenium LORT space doing (often long ~3+ hour) straight plays. Even with soft goods up, you can hear the DF-50 (in a double walled, foam lined box) cycle on and off from the back of the house. > > We get requests for the MDG Atmosphere as an alernative, but I'd prefer not to have to deal with CO2 replacement costs/time/hassle, etc. We demo'd a Unique hazer from Look Solutions last Spring and loved it. Glycol based fluid, dead silent. On board DMX. It has separate control of pump speed and fan speed which made tweaking the level of haze in the room a snap for the board-op. We liked it so much we found the money to buy it. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42F8CCDB.F063925E [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:33:47 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Make fire from water References: Tony Deeming wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Mike > > Brubaker > > Sent: 08 August 2005 15:36 > > To: Stagecraft > > Subject: Re: Make fire from water > > > > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > The MythBusters on the Discovery Channel did a show on this issue a > > few months ago. They tried all sorts of things to get the cell phone > > to ignite the fuel vapors--and determined that the cell phone thing > > is an urban legend. I don't remember what they finally had to do to > > the setup to finally ignite the fuel. I think that it involved an > > enclosed space, a vapor spray, and a spark actuated by a cell phone > > (but the phone itself wouldn't do the job). > > > > Anyone else see that show and can remember better than I? > > > > Mike > > > > Have to say that surprises me not! > Thanks That's a show I'd really like to get a job with. Finally saw an episode of it. ( No cable TV at home) Better than junkyard wars. --Dale ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Make fire from water Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:42:08 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C8AF [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > > > The MythBusters on the Discovery Channel=20 >=20 > That's a show I'd really like to get a job with. =20 There are those who would say it looks like I already have a job with them. I bear a striking resemblance to Adam (well, if he had glasses). ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1123606595.42f8e04403ac1 [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:56:36 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Subject: Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) References: In-Reply-To: All, We live about 15 or 20 minutes from the gas station where this happened, and it really did happen. Just because it didn't happen for the guys on _Mythbusters_, it doesn't mean it didn't happen for the kid in New Paltz. Often-times, the things we do that don't cause catastrophes lead us to believe that they don't happen. Lots of people who smoke don't get lung cancer, but there are those that do, and the ones that don't can not lead us to believe that smoking can't cause lung cancer. Just my thoughts, Andy C-D Quoting "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm hesitant to agree with the fire chief, but he says it was cellphone > ignition in this case: > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/14/tech/main617547.shtml ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050809101033.029dde30 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:19:15 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) In-Reply-To: References: At 09:56 AM 8/9/2005, you wrote: >All, > >We live about 15 or 20 minutes from the gas station where this happened, >and it really did happen. So, it's been proven static electricity didn't play a part? When the phone rang the fire started before he moved to take it out of his pocket (generating static in the process)? If this is the case, that is an important finding, but.... That would be ONE case out of all the studied ones. There is danger in everything. The BATTERY in a cell phone (Li-Ion) has a LOT of energy stored in it. Great pains are taken by battery manufacturers to keep them from exploding, but sometimes it does happen (especially with cheap, knock-off batteries). This is considered an acceptable risk. Could the battery have exploded, inadvertently setting off the fumes in the gas station? Could the phone have been dropped then or at any time prior to the fire, damaging it? There's a lot to look at. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050809102427.029dd910 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:26:41 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) In-Reply-To: References: At 10:19 AM 8/9/2005, you wrote: >There is danger in everything. One other thing, dropping a flashlight in a gas station could very well result in an explosion, especially if the lamp broke while it was turned on. For that matter, dropping a rock onto the concrete could make enough of spark to set it off. Petrol is dangerous. Pyro is dangerous. If you don't want the danger, don't be around the substance. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42F8EE26.CA74DCD6 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:55:51 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) References: doran [at] bard.edu wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > All, > > We live about 15 or 20 minutes from the gas station where this happened, > and it really did happen. > Snopes has a later quote from the fire chief saying that the cause had not been determined, but was most likely static electricity. > > Just because it didn't happen for the guys on _Mythbusters_, it doesn't > mean it didn't happen for the kid in New Paltz. Often-times, the things we > do that don't cause catastrophes lead us to believe that they don't happen. > Lots of people who smoke don't get lung cancer, but there are those that > do, and the ones that don't can not lead us to believe that smoking can't > cause lung cancer. Gasoline vapors in air have a fairly wide flashpoint concentration. If you have ever worked around aircraft fueling operations, you know about the fairly obsessive grounding procedures that are supposed to be taken in connection with fueling of aircraft. High octane aviation gasoline is even more dangerous than regular automobile gasoline in this regard. Fuel flowing through a hose generates some rather significant static charges. That's why fuel hoses are specifically required to be anti-static and be well grounded to both sides of the fuel transfer. I haven't seen the myth busters episode in question, but if I was feeling suicidal, I'm sure I could generate a fire using a cell phone and a gas station without much difficulty. But remember that correlation does not prove causation. Otherwise loud clangs would be the cause of stage weights falling from high up. --Dale ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: cellphone gas ignition Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:18:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050809181901.FYOR1799.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> > So, it's been proven static electricity didn't play a part? > When the phone rang the fire started before he moved to take > it out of his pocket (generating static in the process)? No, it's not proven it wasn't static. Here's a quote from the snopes.com link sent by Mark O'Brien yesterday: PEI has been in contact with the fire marshall in New Paltz, NY to learn more about this incident. It turns out the initial reports were not accurate. Patrick Koch, the fire chief of New Paltz, NY offered PEI this statement: "After further investigation of the accident scene and another discussion with the victim of the May 13 gasoline station fire in New Paltz, I have concluded the source of ignition was from some source other than the cell phone the motorist was carrying. Although we will probably never know for sure, the source of ignition was most likely static discharge from the motorist himself to the nozzle dispensing gasoline." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:24:49 -0400 Subject: Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Dale Farmer wrote: > But remember that correlation does not > prove causation. Otherwise loud clangs would be the cause of stage > weights falling from high up. I LIKE that! I recall a logical hypothesis I heard years ago: Fact: There has been an increase in tornadoes in the US in recent years. Fact: Tornadoes in the (northern hemisphere) turn anti-clockwise. Fact: There has been an increase in traffic in the US in recent years. Fact: In the US, we drive on the right hand side of the road. Fact: Cars passing each other, both on the right side of the road, will create an anti-clockwise air movement. Logical conclusion: Automobile traffic is causing tornadoes! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director / Production Manager Smith Opera House 82 Seneca St. Geneva NY 14456 (315) 781 - 5483 Email: bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com Website: http://thesmith.org/tech/ ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050809112317.02a03cd0 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:27:24 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: cellphone gas ignition In-Reply-To: References: At 11:18 AM 8/9/2005, you wrote: >No, it's not proven it wasn't static. Here's a quote from the snopes.com >link sent by Mark O'Brien yesterday: That was basically my point. Things potentially in the area that COULD cause an explosion in some circumstances: car, pumps, hoses, person, phone, shoes, clothing, birds, wind, trash in can, smoking materials, guns, etc. Why isn't anyone suggesting banning people from gas stations? They seem to be involved in close to 100% of the fires. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:50:04 -0400 Subject: Re: cellphone gas ignition From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Better yet, ban gas. That will really screw up the oil companies, the Arab States, and a lot more. Steve > From: Jerry Durand > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:27:24 -0700 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: cellphone gas ignition > Why isn't anyone suggesting banning people from gas stations? They > seem to be involved in close to 100% of the fires. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:51:20 -0400 Subject: Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Better yet, join the Brits and a few others and drive on the left side of the road. Steve > From: Bruce Purdy > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:24:49 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > Logical conclusion: Automobile traffic is causing tornadoes! ------------------------------ From: "Steve Jones" Subject: Backstage passes, etc. Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:23:16 -0500 Organization: Plaza Theatre Message-ID: How do those of you who manage a venue handle backstage / access passes? Do you create your own in house? Do you use a specific color scheme or other visual indicator to differentiate between areas of access and press/crew/staff/volunteers/etc? Do you have a preference for clips? Lanyards? Etc. Thanks for any response! Steve ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 651-2511 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42F90A14.4B6EBB26 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 15:55:00 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Backstage passes, etc. References: Steve Jones wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > How do those of you who manage a venue handle backstage / access passes? Do > you create your own in house? Do you use a specific color scheme or other > visual indicator to differentiate between areas of access and > press/crew/staff/volunteers/etc? > > Do you have a preference for clips? Lanyards? Etc. It depends on the situation. But typically just get some blank business card stock and spend an hour or so importing an event logo and typing in all the individual names. One nice touch one can do is to include the person's photo on the badge. Print on a inkjet printer and then laminate. I prefer lanyards myself, but having some clips and pins available so folks can choose the method they like. Personal nit. Put the person's name in large easily readable type on the front and the back of the credential please. Folks like me who have sieve like memories for names will appreciate it. What is your situation and resources? Tour or single event? High security needed? Counterfeiting of credentials an issue? Etc... --Dale ------------------------------ From: "Steve Jones" Subject: RE: Backstage passes, etc. Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:01:21 -0500 Organization: Plaza Theatre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > What is your situation and resources? Tour or single event? > High security needed? Counterfeiting of credentials an issue? > Etc... > --Dale Laminating, design, printing, etc can all be done in house. We are dealing mainly with professional road companies coming into our house and local groups that are allowing everybody and their kid brother backstage. No high security - but for the national shows we will have a secruity guard montitoring passes for backstage access. Counterfitting is not an issue. I guess I'd like to hear what the road companies might prefer? Do they brinf their own set of passes, or do they want the venue to supply? What levels of access do they like and who do they like (and not like) to have access given to? Yes - I know lots of this will be in the contracts and worked out with the Road Manager, but I'm just looking for informal feedback from those that have "been there, done that". Thanks! Steve ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 651-2511 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org ------------------------------ From: "Steve Jones" Subject: Follow up on ticketing software... Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:10:02 -0500 Organization: Plaza Theatre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A couple of months ago I asked this group about ticketing software and got several good responses. I looked at almost a dozen packages ranging in prices from $20,000.00 down to $1,000.00. I demoed all of them that offered demos, four of which were interactive online demos. After all was said and done, I chose Seat Advisor Box Office (SABO) by SeatAdvisor, Inc. I did so for the following reasons: 1) One of the better priced packages w/ a reasonable fee structure. 2) Consistent quick and good support as I peppered them w/ questions. 3) Great patron interface 4) Web based, so we can do online sales (being a one person staff, that means I spend less time on the phone selling tickets) 5) Great back end interface. 6) Incredibly easy season building, including Series and FlexPass subscriptions. Cons: 1) Can't do season subscriptions online (but that is promised by end of September) 2) Some quirky data entry things (minor) Just thought I'd let y'all know how it turned out. Also, purchased a Boca MiniPlus thermal ticket printer. Steve ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 651-2511 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:48:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Hazers....? From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > We get requests for the MDG Atmosphere as an alernative, but I'd prefer not to > have to deal with CO2 replacement costs/time/hassle, etc. In my experience, the MDG uses so little of both fluids and CO2 that it's not much of a hassle to maintain. And it's very quiet and produces beautiful non-glycol haze. - John ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42F91821.D7A8038E [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 16:54:57 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Backstage passes, etc. References: Steve Jones wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > What is your situation and resources? Tour or single event? > > High security needed? Counterfeiting of credentials an issue? > > Etc... > > --Dale > > Laminating, design, printing, etc can all be done in house. > > We are dealing mainly with professional road companies coming into our house > and local groups that are allowing everybody and their kid brother > backstage. > > No high security - but for the national shows we will have a secruity guard > montitoring passes for backstage access. > > Counterfitting is not an issue. > > I guess I'd like to hear what the road companies might prefer? Do they > brinf their own set of passes, or do they want the venue to supply? What > levels of access do they like and who do they like (and not like) to have > access given to? > Some bring their own, some don't. One approach I've seen which may be good for your purposes is to get rolls of backstage pass stickers made up. Have half a dozen color variations. Then you just pull out the roll of stickers that you are using that day and issue them to folks who need access. Far lower cost, and you can easily setup grades of access that way. ( Blue stickers are good during load-in and load out, red stickers are good all the time except for the dressing room area, purple stickers all area all the time, orange ones are the guests from the local radio station promotion, etc. ) Cost of rolls of stickers are far lower than badges, once you add in your labor cost, and they are unlikely to get re-used. Getting one of those rubber stamps with the user installable letters allows you to stamp a specific show name and date on them as well. Charge the show extra if they have more than 50 or so. > Yes - I know lots of this will be in the contracts and worked out with the > Road Manager, but I'm just looking for informal feedback from those that > have "been there, done that". Do you have a list of standard questions for all acts coming to the venue? Sort of a reverse rider sort of thing. Add this to your list. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:56:54 -0400 From: "Steve B." Subject: Re: Backstage passes, etc. Message-id: <002301c59d35$a36d8b60$6401a8c0 [at] SBFF> References: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Jones" To> How do those of you who manage a venue handle backstage / access passes? Do > you create your own in house? Do you use a specific color scheme or other > visual indicator to differentiate between areas of access and > press/crew/staff/volunteers/etc? Multi colored stick-on labels that have our logo plus a place to write the date. 3 different colors say Backstage Only, one color (Red) says All Access. House satff usually have tee/polo shirts with Logo plus Staff, but are generally well enough known to ushers and our in-house rent-a-cops to not need stickers, which are only for outside renters, in any event Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <68.5b3fbeac.302a9e13 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:02:27 EDT Subject: Re: Backstage passes, etc. How tight do you want it? Last time I ran an event where I arranged for professional security, one of the supervisors had worked covert ops in the military. He asked me about roof and sewer access to the theatre. And here I was thinking the "enemy" would just try jumping across the proscenium line! Sitck on lables are a good inexpensive choice. Different colors for area and/or day. Can get neon colored ones and print/write on them as you go. Have them all stuck on the same place - e.g. on shirt over upper right collar bone - so your staff doesn't need to stop anyone simply because they decided to put it on their waist band, purse strap, etc. Biggest thing is... have only ONE person have the lables and have that person have an approved list of those who will get them. Person seeking lable presents ID to person giving lable who then dates and initials the lable and the person getting it signs next to his/her name on the list. If you hand a bunch to whomever (promoters are famous for "just give me 20 passes") you have lost your knowledge of who is backstage - and hence have a gap in your security. Another alternative becoming more popular for non-working backstage folks is the Tyvek (sp?) wrist band. You can get them printed from most specialty item suppliers then write the date on it with a Sharpie. This works well for the "I won the backstage pass off the radio." and the "I'm too important a business person to wear a sticker." kinds of folks. Not the best choice for working crew because they can get caught on things. (Also - PLEASE folks, wear a BREAK-AWAY LANYARD! Add a piece of velcro to one you already have if needed.) Most touring groups come with their own passes- usually color coded for the local/daily people and a multi-colored laminate for those on the tour. Used to be popular for local crew to grab the plastic sleeve from the guitar tech as he'd change strings and put your pass in that sleeve then pin it to your clothing. Have also seen workers with fanny pack/tool belt pouch that have a clear pocket on the front who wear their pass there, I'd also like to mention that simply because a person works (or voluneteers) for the facility, they should still use the SAME pass system as everyone else. You might have your front of house manager take the passes for the ushers/box office, the union steward take care of the IA crew and whomever is representing the venue take care of backstage house crew because they will (hopefully) know their crew by face but all three of those people still should report to ONE person who is in charge of security. Finally - talk with your local police and fire marshal. They can help you limit access without blocking fire exits and will have a good idea of what "threats" are in your area. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2092.64.28.63.250.1123632816.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: cellphone gas ignition (was Make fire from water) From: "Bill Nelson" > Gasoline vapors in air have a fairly wide flashpoint concentration. Flashpoint (lowest ignition temperature) is not dependent on vapor concentration, except that, if the concentration is too high or too low, then the fuel/air mixture will not ignite. > If you have ever worked around aircraft fueling operations, you know about > the > fairly obsessive grounding procedures that are supposed to be taken in > connection with fueling of aircraft. High octane aviation gasoline is > even more dangerous than regular automobile gasoline in this regard. This is a popular misconception. The lower octane aviation fuels have about the same ignitability as automobile gas, the high octane aviation fules are less ignitable. The higher the octane, the harder it is to ignite. > I haven't seen the myth busters episode in question, but if I was > feeling suicidal, I'm sure I could generate a fire using a cell phone and > a gas station without much difficulty. I think you would be surprised how difficult it is. Not only do you have to get the fuel/air concentration right, but you must also generate a spark/flame containing sufficient energy. Bill ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <767C8CFC-8023-40A1-881A-C722E40F886F [at] worddome.net> From: Chris Echols Subject: Re: Hazers....? Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:01:43 -0500 I second the Look Unique hazer... We have one and love it as well and has pretty good output compared to a DF-50... On Aug 9, 2005, at 9:25 AM, Stephen Litterst wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > seanrmc [at] earthlink.net wrote: > >> --------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> So, I'm looking for a new hazer. We currently use a DF-50, but we >> get fairly regular complaints about the noise. >> Setting is Proscenium LORT space doing (often long ~3+ hour) >> straight plays. Even with soft goods up, you can hear the DF-50 >> (in a double walled, foam lined box) cycle on and off from the >> back of the house. >> We get requests for the MDG Atmosphere as an alernative, but I'd >> prefer not to have to deal with CO2 replacement costs/time/hassle, >> etc. >> > > We demo'd a Unique hazer from Look Solutions last Spring and loved > it. Glycol based fluid, dead silent. On board DMX. It has > separate control of pump speed and fan speed which made tweaking > the level of haze in the room a snap for the board-op. > > We liked it so much we found the money to buy it. > > Steve L. > > > -- > Stephen C. Litterst > Technical Supervisor > Ithaca College > Dept. of Theatre Arts > 607/274-3947 > slitterst [at] ithaca.edu > > Thanks, Chris E. Echols, Chief Audio Visual Engineer Faith Chapel Christian Center Birmingham, AL (205) 380-3378 office (205) 533-5148 cell Chris.Echols [at] worddome.net www.worddome.org Although faith comes by hearing, success and victory comes by doing and being, and doing it by the faith that comes by hearing what you hear on a regular basis. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42F96CAE.E0A287B5 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:55:42 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: RGB lighting References: Jerry Durand wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 01:27 PM 7/31/2005, you wrote: > >Found distributor, but without some MAJOR funding, I can't make it happen, > >the DLP chips, including the DMD and drivers are 2700-6000 dollars a set! > >Might have to put that one aside for a while. > > > >Chris > > > > I should be hearing back from my TI contact early in the > week. Remember, we can use "seconds" for this and I might be able to > swing something for proto use. Still have to control it, too. Electronics products weekly has a DLP developers kit listed. No price, of course, meaning it will be not cheap. http://electronicproducts.com/ShowPage.asp?SECTION=3700&PRIMID=&FileName=hlap01.oct2005.html --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1485.192.168.0.100.1123642802.squirrel [at] gandalf> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: RGB lighting From: "Jerry Durand" On Tue, August 9, 2005 7:55 pm, Dale Farmer wrote: > > Jerry Durand wrote: > >>> I should be hearing back from my TI contact early in the >> week. Remember, we can use "seconds" for this and I might be able to >> swing something for proto use. Still have to control it, too. I've had a couple of messages back and forth, but haven't received a pric= e yet, either. Not a good sign. I'm currently up to my neck trying to get a new lighting board out AND design a wireless system (non-theatre related) that can run forever on a tiny coin cell battery (seems all clients want the same thing). ------------------------------ Message-ID: <42F96F7E.13BFA39 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 23:07:42 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: RGB lighting References: Jerry Durand wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, August 9, 2005 7:55 pm, Dale Farmer wrote: > > > > Jerry Durand wrote: > > > >>> I should be hearing back from my TI contact early in the > >> week. Remember, we can use "seconds" for this and I might be able to > >> swing something for proto use. Still have to control it, too. > > I've had a couple of messages back and forth, but haven't received a price > yet, either. Not a good sign. > > I'm currently up to my neck trying to get a new lighting board out AND > design a wireless system (non-theatre related) that can run forever on a > tiny coin cell battery (seems all clients want the same thing). What's a little perpetual motion between friends? *laughs* --Dale ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #484 *****************************