Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24192263; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 03:00:29 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #487 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 03:00:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #487 1. Re: "Wicked" San Francisco Tour Stop by Delbert Hall 2. turntables by b Ricie 3. Re: Turntable installations solicited please by Loren Schreiber 4. Painting cobblestones on stage by 5. Re: Audio Power Sequencer by "Nick Blower" 6. Re: painting cobblestones on stage by "C. Dopher" 7. Re: painting cobblestones on stage by "Jon Ares" 8. Re: painting cobblestones on stage by "Paul Guncheon" 9. Re: Turntable installations solicited please by theatre safety programs 10. Re: Turntable installations solicited please by "RD" 11. turntable by "David R. Krajec" 12. securing the facility by "David R. Krajec" 13. Re: securing the facility by "RD" 14. Re: securing the facility by "Michael Diederich" 15. Re: securing the facility by "Jeffrey Kanyuck" 16. Grid System by Jonathan Wills 17. Beefy faux chain by "Jon Ares" 18. Re: Beefy faux chain by IAEG [at] aol.com 19. Re: Audio Power Sequencer by CB 20. Re: Audio Power Sequencer by CB 21. Re: Grid System by James Feinberg 22. Re: Grid System by "Maurice Moe Conn" 23. Re: Grid System by "Jon Ares" 24. Re: Beefy faux chain by Steve Larson 25. Re: Beefy faux chain by "Jon Ares" 26. Re: Grid System by "Paul Schreiner" 27. Re: Beefy faux chain by IAEG [at] aol.com 28. Re: Grid System by "Maurice Moe Conn" 29. Re: Grid System (On behalf of Bill Sapsis) by Greg Williams 30. OT: Dry County (was:Grid System) by David Carrico 31. Re: Grid System (On behalf of Bill Sapsis) by Jonathan Wills 32. Re: Dry County (was:Grid System) by "Ash Munro" 33. Re: OT: Dry County (was:Grid System) by "Maurice Moe Conn" 34. Re: Dry County (was:Grid System) by "Simon Shuker" 35. Re: Grid System (On behalf of Bill Sapsis) by John McKernon 36. Re: Grid System by "Maurice Moe Conn" 37. Re: Dry County (was:Grid System) by "Steve Jones" 38. Re: hazers by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 39. Re: Turntable installations solicited please by "Bill Nelson" 40. FS - Auditorium Seating (UK) by "Tony Deeming" 41. Re: Turntable installations solicited please by "Jerry Dougherty" 42. Re: Turntable installations solicited please by "Occy" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:09:14 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: "Wicked" San Francisco Tour Stop In-Reply-To: References: > Is anyone with the Wicked tour that's in San Francisco right now? I'm > seeing the evening performance on the 27th and would love to talk to > anyone about the show. Shoot me an email off-list. I am not involved in this production at present, but I am scheduled to do the load-in of the flying effects when the tour moves to Denver next month. After you see the show, if you have any questions just send them to me and I will try to find the answers for you. -Delbert --=20 Delbert Hall ZFX Technical Coordonator for Classic Productions Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050812131117.83100.qmail [at] web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:11:17 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: turntables In-Reply-To: The Cape Playhouse, In Dennis MA. has a turntable. The Theatre is in its 78th (or so) season (Summer Stock). The Turn table is stored Up stage right. I have been playing there for about 17 yrs and I can count on one hand the number of times the turn table has been used. The table was built custom in house, and though it is not used often at all, it is not something ya wanna trash. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20050812060017.02e70310 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 06:16:35 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Turntable installations solicited please In-Reply-To: References: San Diego School of Creative and Performing Arts ( a high school) http://www.scpa.sandi.net/info/default.asp has a 24' turntable that I designed and they built as an introductory welding project. They used it for almost everything shortly after building it. Then they got tired of it and now it spends a lot of time in storage. This is a performing arts school, so they likely have good information about how useful a turntable really is. I agree with Mark O'Brien, however: if they really want it, despite your best advice, then let it go. They will learn in time--or not. It's a lot like all the wiggle lights in use right now. Just because you have it doesn't mean you have to use it--but few young designers, it seems to me, have the discipline to use technology discreetly. Loren Schreiber, Technical Director School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charity Ride. Check out www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html for more information. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000d01c59f40$8423a8e0$0600a8c0 [at] lpt> From: References: Subject: Painting cobblestones on stage Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:19:47 -0500 Organization: Minnesota Ballet I've painted a full stage with cobblestones before and it was very easy and took little time. Started with the base of mortar and then did a very quick wet blend of two colors and finished it off with a splatter. I've never done the stamp idea. My fear would be that the paint would be uneven and I'd have to touch up a few stones here and there. Making your own template is a good idea. I've seen some forms for all kinds of different stone work at the big box hardware store for concrete for only around $15. They are only 2' by 2' and the fears of repetition is valid, but I think is still a good idea. It depends on the skill of the painters. If you have a bunch of kids, then draw out the outlines of the stones and then letting the kids do a very simple two color wet blend. Then you would come in and do a few touch ups, and the splatter. Kenneth Pogin Production Manager Minnesota Ballet ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Nick Blower" Subject: RE: Audio Power Sequencer Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:31:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Am I missing something here. You're spending thousands on nice audio kit and then not worrying about keeping that kit safe. I know that the person run it should know what they are doing and basically how things work, but alas this doesn't always happen, or the competent person comes in with a hangover. Basically unless the kit will only ever be run by a professional then surely it makes sense? I've worked with EMO kit before which is very good and has lots of options like remote modules and additional switching blocks. HTH Nick -- ______________________________________ Nick Blower (nick [at] redeggs.co.uk) -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Randy Whitcomb Sent: 11 August 2005 22:54 To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Audio Power Sequencer For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "CB" > !?!?! I dunno how good I'd feel about it if my show ran a few minutes long > and your system bailed during the climactic conclusion. Or if it had a > glitch. I'm sure it would *not* be a -rated rant, though. I guess I wasn't clear enough. He was joking. Our sequencers take about 3 minutes to fully cycle. After he turned the key he began the conversation then the board shut off while he was speaking. Randy Whitcomb, TD Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:28:34 -0400 Subject: Re: painting cobblestones on stage From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 8/11/05 3:13 PM, "Joe Golden" wrote: > Trying to find an easy way to paint a 20' x 40' area with cobbles for a > high school show. Why would you want to paint with cobbles? Wouldn't painting with a brush be easier? :) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001101c59f4a$ac47cc70$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: painting cobblestones on stage Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:32:31 -0700 > > Why would you want to paint with cobbles? Wouldn't painting with a brush > be > easier? Would still be easier than painting with your cobblers. :) ba-boom - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 04:41:04 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: painting cobblestones on stage Message-id: <004601c59f4b$dfd99770$c6354104 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: <> Yes... or: For squarish stones: http://www.loganphotographics.com/S_Bicycles_and_Cobblestones_WP.JPG Make a "stamp or several stamps" of plywood around 2' square or so with foam rubber "cobblestone" foam shapes (you can even buy cheap sponges of the appropriate size) adhered to one side attached to said pole. Separate the foam cobblestones with the preferred "grout" spacing, leaving 1/2 that spacing from the edge of the plywood. I would make the sure the stones were not "clean" geometric shapes. Paint your floor the grout color, probably with a light spatter or two. Lightly chalk line a grid on the floor. Apply paint to the foam stamp with a roller and stamp away, following the grid lines. I would stamp randomly, probably getting two to three impressions from each application of paint. Rotate the stamp 90 degrees to avoid repetition. It would help to have an sort of identifying cobblestone, say one with a nick in it, or a corner cut off with a corresponding mark on the top of the plywood to help keep track of the rotation. If you want rectangular stones, cut the plywood with offset stones, say four rows of five stones, offsetting the second and fourth rows 1/2 stone to the left or right. I would make several of these as you can't rotate them. Make the size of the stamps in relation to the size of the space you are painting. You'll also need some 1/2 stone stamps to finish the edges. In both techniques, I might then make a few single "highlight" foam stamps and hit some of the stones a few more times for variation. Misc. pics: http://www.bigfoto.com/miscellaneous/photos-04/cobblestones-n63.jpg http://community.macteens.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10036/normal_blue%20co bblestones.JPG http://email.eva.mpg.de/~gil/lejcob/image/cobblestones_2.jpg Laters, Paul "I don't believe in the Heimlich maneuver", Tom struck back. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050812075402.0225ff00 [at] mail.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:57:54 -0700 From: theatre safety programs Subject: RE: Turntable installations solicited please I assume from the discussion. that you are talking about a turntable on the stage for production purposes. I believe Doom is referring to the Chandler Center for the Arts, which uses turntables for the house, to have additional seating which can be separate spaces or part of the main house for increased seating. Interesting, but I don't think it was what you were looking for. From: "RD" Subject: RE: Turntable installations solicited please Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:59:29 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And one or two or three in one theater, high school, civic center, all in one, just outside of Phoenix. I inspected them. Very interesting. Doom They have been there for over twenty years. Jerry Gorrell Technical Director, Phoenix Stages, City of Phoenix Principal, Theatre Safety Programs ------------------------------ From: "RD" Subject: RE: Turntable installations solicited please Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:24:19 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That is correct. Thank you for the clarification. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of theatre safety programs Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 8:58 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Turntable installations solicited please For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I assume from the discussion. that you are talking about a turntable on the stage for production purposes. I believe Doom is referring to the Chandler Center for the Arts, which uses turntables for the house, to have additional seating which can be separate spaces or part of the main house for increased seating. Interesting, but I don't think it was what you were looking for. From: "RD" Subject: RE: Turntable installations solicited please Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:59:29 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And one or two or three in one theater, high school, civic center, all in one, just outside of Phoenix. I inspected them. Very interesting. Doom They have been there for over twenty years. Jerry Gorrell Technical Director, Phoenix Stages, City of Phoenix Principal, Theatre Safety Programs ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: turntable Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:32:47 -0500 Message-ID: In-reply-to: Frank, If you want to put a real scare into the administration, direct them to www.hovair.com. They have industrial turntables that cost a pretty penny. The dollars signs usually scare off all but the most well-endowed (literally) administration. If they've got the bucks to put in a turntable and put in a good one, you won't regret it. You might not use it, but at least you won't regret it. Good luck. David K. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: securing the facility Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:53:28 -0500 Message-ID: In-reply-to: One of the things that I've had to do to secure my facility from unknowledgeable hands to put locks on things. For instance, putting a locking cover over the ladder to the loading platform and grid. Or, devising a system by which the handlocks on the rigging system cannot be released. Only I have a key. Of course, in case of catastrophe, I keep a spare keep in the tool lockup. Also, all the stationary tools have removeable keys which are taken out at the end of the work day and put away. Perhaps the best way to prevent problems is to put a key switch on the power to the equipment you want to protect. In the case of outside rentals, have them sign a contract that if anything is missing, they have to pay. And get the administration to stick to it. A contract with no teeth or no one to enforce the terms is useless. When I rent to an outside group, they have to supple a technical rider and they get a pamphlet from me outlining what they may or may not do. That way, there is no question. Then, if something is damaged or broken, we go back to the contract. Takes the personal out of it and makes it a business. (That is one of the hardest lesson for some people to learn - that we're in show business. Not show play or show fun!) For what it's worth. David K. ------------------------------ From: "RD" Cc: drkrajec [at] stritch.edu Subject: RE: securing the facility Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:06:42 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hurrah! Enlightened! doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of David R. Krajec Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:53 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: securing the facility For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- One of the things that I've had to do to secure my facility from unknowledgeable hands to put locks on things. For instance, putting a locking cover over the ladder to the loading platform and grid. Or, devising a system by which the handlocks on the rigging system cannot be released. Only I have a key. Of course, in case of catastrophe, I keep a spare keep in the tool lockup. Also, all the stationary tools have removeable keys which are taken out at the end of the work day and put away. Perhaps the best way to prevent problems is to put a key switch on the power to the equipment you want to protect. In the case of outside rentals, have them sign a contract that if anything is missing, they have to pay. And get the administration to stick to it. A contract with no teeth or no one to enforce the terms is useless. When I rent to an outside group, they have to supple a technical rider and they get a pamphlet from me outlining what they may or may not do. That way, there is no question. Then, if something is damaged or broken, we go back to the contract. Takes the personal out of it and makes it a business. (That is one of the hardest lesson for some people to learn - that we're in show business. Not show play or show fun!) For what it's worth. David K. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: securing the facility Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:13:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Michael Diederich" >>>>>In the case of outside rentals, have them sign a contract that if anything is missing, they have to pay. And get the administration to stick to it. A contract with no teeth or no one to enforce the terms is useless. When I rent to an outside group, they have to supple a technical rider and they get a pamphlet from me outlining what they may or may not do. That way, there is no question. Then, if something is damaged or broken, we go back to the contract. Takes the personal out of it and makes it a business. (That is one of the hardest lesson for some people to learn - that we're in show business. Not show play or show fun!)<<<<<<< I have a problem that revolves around this issue. I'm given no power beyond saying "no" but there is nothing I can do if they continue. An example would be a group allowing food and beverages in an area clearly marked with signs. It's written in the contract, and these rooms are not actually connected to the theater. They are smart classrooms used for extra dressing rooms. The department that maintains these classrooms makes that rule because of the amount (and cost) of equipment housed in these classrooms.=20 I have had a renter out right tell me she refused to tell her dancers they could not eat in these rooms. When I went to my boss, and a few others that have the power to actually do something, I was told that they wanted this group on campus because of the company they are affiliated with and they would "talk to them." Needless to say they have there run of the place and I end up cleaning up messes and dealing with general chaos with nothing to do other than bend over.... Mike Diederich ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:29:40 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Kanyuck" Subject: Re: securing the facility I have a problem that revolves around this issue. I'm given no power beyond saying "no" but there is nothing I can do if they continue. An example would be a group allowing food and beverages in an area clearly marked with signs. It's written in the contract, and these rooms are not actually connected to the theater. They are smart classrooms used for extra dressing rooms. The department that maintains these classrooms makes that rule because of the amount (and cost) of equipment housed in these classrooms. I have had a renter out right tell me she refused to tell her dancers they could not eat in these rooms. When I went to my boss, and a few others that have the power to actually do something, I was told that they wanted this group on campus because of the company they are affiliated with and they would "talk to them." Needless to say they have there run of the place and I end up cleaning up messes and dealing with general chaos with nothing to do other than bend over.... Mike Diederich Mike, To that I would say leave the messes to the custodial crews. Unless that's in your contract or your boss has already told you to clean up after them. Let the teachers/professors of the class rooms complain about it and see what happens then. You could possibly say that you made sure your area was clean and had thought they (the company) would follow the rules that were given to them and hadn't made any messes there. Otherwise you're right. You can say all you want, but, unless your admin is going to back you up there isn't much you can do. Except possibly go through the rooms while everyone is in rehearsal or whatever and throw away things that aren't supposed to be allowed. But, that tends to get nasty if your boss isn't backing you. Jeff Kanyuck ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:07:17 -0400 From: Jonathan Wills Subject: Grid System hello all, I know a similar thread about grids has came up in the past. But I am wondering what wisdom people on the list would recommend to a new theatre company about a grid system installation. I am working with a new theatre company in town and they are looking at using a general contractor to install the grid. I have made some suggestions from previous threads, but what should I help them avoid. Besides calling in someone who knows what they are doing. The reason for my concern is at one point the started talking about uni-strut. And I am also concerned because I will probably end up working some shows in this facility. Any help/suggestions/true persuasive wisdom would be appreciated. Email on list or off-list is fine. Thank you, Jonathan Wills Wills Lighting & Stage www.WillsLighting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003101c59f62$50fe1f50$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Subject: Beefy faux chain Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:21:46 -0700 Does anyone know of a material or source for some realistic-looking beefy decorative chain, like the thick iron chains frequently seen swagged between concrete bollards? I"m looking for something for stage use (non-loadbearing) but real iron is rather out of the question. I'm thinking those of you that do industrials and theme park displays may have a thought or two.... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:39:03 -0400 From: IAEG [at] aol.com Subject: Re: Beefy faux chain Message-ID: <72195063.25820948.00002B9E [at] aol.com> Morris Costumes has what you want in their Halloween department, the same chain is probably also available from other suppliers #VA823 LARGE BROWN RUSTED CHAIN 80" LONG 4 and a half inch links looks good in the photo and reasonably priced, , very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050812102829.00cf73f0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:28:29 From: CB Subject: RE: Audio Power Sequencer >Over the last 6 years, "unauthorized" operators and equipment loans >between them have cost us 1 power amp, 1 wireless base station, 2 >transmitter packs, 2 mics (missing in action), untold cables, 1 speaker >cone, and a crossover. This is a perfect scenario for 'performance art'. *EVERY* time some outside agency wishes to use the facility without a skilled and trained operator, something that they wish to use *must* be unavailable due to past users' transgressions, and it must be explained to them that this is why what they want is unavailable. *EVERY* time one of these users gets done with the facility, something *must* be either 1) wrong 2) broken, or 3) missing, and be reported to the faculty and administrators. Once they see that *EVERY* time the facility is used, it affects the usability and cost of the facility, and the squeaky wheel from outside users is combined with that, something will change. We work in theatre. Why can't we work *with* theatre. Write yourself a little play, perform it whenever things go pear-shaped, repeat as needed... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050812103644.00cff518 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:36:44 From: CB Subject: Re: Audio Power Sequencer >I guess I wasn't clear enough. He was joking. Our sequencers take about 3 >minutes to fully cycle. Thank you. I have been going over a list of things to call people should this ever occur on any show I'm mixing! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: James Feinberg Subject: Re: Grid System Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:54:15 -0700 In my recent experience, I used the responses I got on this list at the beginning of the summer to make a list of points (like sleeved joints, secure horizontally, etc.) that I discussed with the contractor. But the single best thing I did (also on a suggestion from the list) was to take the subcontractor to another theatre that had a grid that I liked, and said "Build me one just like this." When the subcontractor started admiring the workmanship and the hardware, especially the points I had mentioned earlier, I started feeling more comfortable with the plan. Let me know off-list if you'd like me to send you the list discussion from June. --James Feinberg University of San Diego On Aug 12, 2005, at 10:07 AM, Jonathan Wills wrote: > I know a similar thread about grids has came up in the past. But I am > wondering what wisdom people on the list would recommend to a new > theatre company about a grid system installation. I am working with a > new theatre company in town and they are looking at using a general > contractor to install the grid. I have made some suggestions from > previous threads, but what should I help them avoid. Besides calling > in someone who knows what they are doing. > > The reason for my concern is at one point the started talking about > uni-strut. And I am also concerned because I will probably end up > working some shows in this facility. > > Any help/suggestions/true persuasive wisdom would be appreciated. > Email on list or off-list is fine. > > Thank you, > > Jonathan Wills > Wills Lighting & Stage > www.WillsLighting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Cc: jbwills [at] gmail.com Subject: RE: Grid System Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:01:02 +0000 Jonathan, I am not sure what wisdom I can offer verbally...however about 3 hrs north of you I have a Theatre you can look at that has a 50'x60' grid you are welcome to look at. Give me a day or 2 lead time if you want to see it. Moe Designer/TD University of the Cumberlands mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu 606-539-4520 Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charlty Ride. Check out www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html for more information. >From: Jonathan Wills >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Grid System >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:07:17 -0400 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >hello all, > >I know a similar thread about grids has came up in the past. But I am >wondering what wisdom people on the list would recommend to a new >theatre company about a grid system installation. I am working with a >new theatre company in town and they are looking at using a general >contractor to install the grid. I have made some suggestions from >previous threads, but what should I help them avoid. Besides calling >in someone who knows what they are doing. > >The reason for my concern is at one point the started talking about >uni-strut. And I am also concerned because I will probably end up >working some shows in this facility. > >Any help/suggestions/true persuasive wisdom would be appreciated. >Email on list or off-list is fine. > >Thank you, > >Jonathan Wills >Wills Lighting & Stage >www.WillsLighting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004301c59f69$74468bd0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Grid System Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:12:52 -0700 > I am not sure what wisdom I can offer verbally...however about 3 hrs north > of you I have a Theatre you can look at that has a 50'x60' grid you are > welcome to look at. > > Give me a day or 2 lead time if you want to see it. > What, you gotta sweep up the beer cans before company comes over? ;) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:14:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Beefy faux chain From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I concur. A local costume rental house sells this stuff. Works great for Marley (the character, not the floor) Steve > From: IAEG [at] aol.com > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:39:03 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Beefy faux chain > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Morris Costumes has what you want in their Halloween department, > the same chain is probably also available from other suppliers > > #VA823 LARGE BROWN RUSTED CHAIN > > 80" LONG > 4 and a half inch links > > looks good in the photo and reasonably priced, , > > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault > International Arts & Entertainment Group > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <005301c59f6b$75e66e40$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Beefy faux chain Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:27:13 -0700 > > Morris Costumes has what you want in their Halloween department, > the same chain is probably also available from other suppliers > > #VA823 LARGE BROWN RUSTED CHAIN > > 80" LONG > 4 and a half inch links I don't have a Morris catalog, and their website has no product on it. What's the 80" chunk go for? Sounds like the right thing.... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Grid System Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:27:46 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C8B7 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > > Give me a day or 2 lead time if you want to see it. > > >=20 >=20 > What, you gotta sweep up the beer cans before company comes over? ;) Nah...it takes time for the new beer requisition to make it through the purchase order process. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:35:11 -0400 From: IAEG [at] aol.com Subject: Re: Beefy faux chain Message-ID: <60751567.2D4683FC.00002B9E [at] aol.com> I only have the wholesale price here, , but it's less than $ 10 call them at 704 332 3304 very best, Keith Arsenault International Arts & Entertainment Group ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Re: Grid System Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:47:10 +0000 What, you gotta sweep up the beer cans before company comes over? ;) The Humor in that is, I am in a dry county...no beer here.... (yes yes they do still exisit) Moe Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charlty Ride. Check out www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html for more information. >From: "Jon Ares" >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Re: Grid System >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:12:52 -0700 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >>I am not sure what wisdom I can offer verbally...however about 3 hrs north >>of you I have a Theatre you can look at that has a 50'x60' grid you are >>welcome to look at. >> >>Give me a day or 2 lead time if you want to see it. >> > > >What, you gotta sweep up the beer cans before company comes over? ;) > >- Jon Ares >www.hevanet.com/acreative > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:45:51 -0400 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Grid System (On behalf of Bill Sapsis) In-reply-to: Message-id: <669C406A-F958-4712-A646-1773F55CD57D [at] appstate.edu> References: Hello all, Bill is currently "suffering" the sheer beauty of Calgary / Banff / etc. and asked me to send along this reply... ************************* Jonathon. General Contractors go with what they know. They understand Uni-Strut. They do not understand theatrical grids. The fact that they want to use Uni-Strut only reinforces the notion that they don't understand theatre grids. Uni-Strut is great for small, lightweight, individual set pieces or maybe a lighting position here and there. It really, really sucks as a grid. The technicians who have to work on it will hate everyone who was involved in the decision making process for using a Uni-Strut grid. There is also the question of whether Uni-Strut will permit their equipment to be used in a dynamic loading condition over peoples' heads. But..... To know what type of grid would work best for the theatre, I/we need some more info. Is this grid part of a typical flyhouse with counterweight system? Or is it a black box with a need for lighting positions overhead? A combination of the two? Or maybe something completely different? Flesh it out a bit and I'll bet someone on this list will have an opinion. <> And, just out of curiosity, what is the aversion to bringing in "someone who knows what they are doing."? Thanks Bill S. On 8/12/05 1:07 PM, "Jonathan Wills" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > hello all, > > I know a similar thread about grids has came up in the past. But I am > wondering what wisdom people on the list would recommend to a new > theatre company about a grid system installation. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1964cf3b05081212046a1f8a3 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:04:49 -0400 From: David Carrico Subject: OT: Dry County (was:Grid System) In-Reply-To: References:

> What, you gotta sweep up the beer cans before company comes over? ;) >=20 > The Humor in that is, I am in a dry county...no beer here.... (yes yes th= ey > do still exisit) >=20 > Moe >=20 Moe, Aren't the counties on either side of you dry as well? It's either Richmond or Tennessee! If I am not mistaken, all the counties along the stateline w/Tennessee are dry in Kentucky! --=20 Dave Carrico New York Metropolitan Area ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:12:37 -0400 From: Jonathan Wills Subject: Re: Grid System (On behalf of Bill Sapsis) In-Reply-To: References:

Bill, Unka Bill wrote: Is this grid part of a typical fly house with counterweight system?=20 Or is it a black box with a need for lighting positions overhead? A combination of the two? Or maybe something completely different? Answer: The grid system will be in a black box space. About 17-20' above floor height, approx 4-6' below structural steel. The space is because of overhead ventilation duct. No overhead rigging except the occasional set piece for a show. No permanent fly system. Also the grid size will be 42' x 63' just to add a little more information. Unka Bill: And, just out of curiosity, what is the aversion to bringing in "someone who knows what they are doing."? Answer: I personally do not have an aversion, I in fact want them to. They are looking at budget, and ways to make things simpler on the front end. I would personally love to bring someone in who knows about the industry and our requirements. Also, I have looked over the previous thread, June thread, and have already brought most of the points up to the theatre group. Thanks, Jonathan Wills Wills Lighting & Stage www.WillsLighting.com ------------------------------ From: "Ash Munro" Subject: RE: Dry County (was:Grid System) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:13:39 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c59f71$f2dfc800$6701a8c0 [at] charlottedt> In-Reply-To: Isn't Alabama Shakespeare Fest in a dry county as well? I recall years ago stopping off at an old gas station to buy a few gallons of beer in milk jugs on our way to the Alliance/Alabama Shakes Belt Sander Bowl Ash Munro Charlotte Division Manager A&V Company www.avcompany.com "Technology and Techniques for Effective Communication" -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of David Carrico Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 3:05 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: OT: Dry County (was:Grid System) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > What, you gotta sweep up the beer cans before company comes over? ;) > > The Humor in that is, I am in a dry county...no beer here.... (yes yes they > do still exisit) > > Moe > Moe, Aren't the counties on either side of you dry as well? It's either Richmond or Tennessee! If I am not mistaken, all the counties along the stateline w/Tennessee are dry in Kentucky! -- Dave Carrico New York Metropolitan Area ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Cc: daveffreep [at] gmail.com Subject: RE: OT: Dry County (was:Grid System) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:18:20 +0000 Aren't the counties on either side of you dry as well? It's either >Richmond or Tennessee! If I am not mistaken, all the counties along >the stateline w/Tennessee are dry in Kentucky Yup! Although, The Cities of Corbin and London (KY) have been voted moist... You can have a drink with dinner at a few local eateries. But to purchase and carry, you are correct, Jellico, TN and Richmond KY are the closest places For a guy in NY you know my neck of the woods better than one should...VBG Moe Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charlty Ride. Check out www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html for more information. >From: David Carrico >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: OT: Dry County (was:Grid System) >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:04:49 -0400 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > > What, you gotta sweep up the beer cans before company comes over? ;) > > > > The Humor in that is, I am in a dry county...no beer here.... (yes yes >they > > do still exisit) > > > > Moe > > > >Moe, > >Aren't the counties on either side of you dry as well? It's either >Richmond or Tennessee! If I am not mistaken, all the counties along >the stateline w/Tennessee are dry in Kentucky! > >-- >Dave Carrico >New York Metropolitan Area ------------------------------ From: "Simon Shuker" Subject: RE: Dry County (was:Grid System) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:19:01 +0400 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20050812191946.28D285897 [at] mail05.powweb.com> You lot don't know dry, there is a country the size of europe that are my neighbours that is dry!!!!!!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Ash Munro Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:14 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Dry County (was:Grid System) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Isn't Alabama Shakespeare Fest in a dry county as well? I recall years ago stopping off at an old gas station to buy a few gallons of beer in milk jugs on our way to the Alliance/Alabama Shakes Belt Sander Bowl Ash Munro Charlotte Division Manager A&V Company www.avcompany.com "Technology and Techniques for Effective Communication" -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of David Carrico Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 3:05 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: OT: Dry County (was:Grid System) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > What, you gotta sweep up the beer cans before company comes over? ;) > > The Humor in that is, I am in a dry county...no beer here.... (yes yes they > do still exisit) > > Moe > Moe, Aren't the counties on either side of you dry as well? It's either Richmond or Tennessee! If I am not mistaken, all the counties along the stateline w/Tennessee are dry in Kentucky! -- Dave Carrico New York Metropolitan Area ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:38:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Grid System (On behalf of Bill Sapsis) From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > The grid system will be in a black box space. About 17-20' above floor > height, approx 4-6' below structural steel. The space is because of > overhead ventilation duct. No overhead rigging except the occasional > set piece for a show. No permanent fly system. Avoid Unistrut. There's nothing quite as painful as being on top of a lift or ladder and managing to drop a vital piece of the unistrut bolt/nut/spring thing with a light in one hand... Unless it's having someone get said spring thing not quite into the unistrut before tightening it down and suddenly having a light dangling only by its power cord. Assuming of course that it's been plugged in - otherwise the sound of breaking glass and twisted metal comes to mind. Also, Unistrut can be very difficult to hang scenery bits from - the needed piece of hardware is always somewhere else. A grid made of Schedule 40 steel pipe that you can hook a c-clamp over while you tighten it down is easier to use, much safer, and not much more work for your contractor. The hard part in either case is suspending it properly from the overhead structural steel. Listen to Bill Sapsis, he knows whereof he speaks. - John ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Re: Grid System Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:43:50 +0000 Ya Know, I may have missed something in the translation... My Grid is a fully walkable tension grid. Moe Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charlty Ride. Check out www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html for more information. ------------------------------ From: "Steve Jones" Subject: RE: Dry County (was:Grid System) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:37:26 -0500 Organization: Plaza Theatre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 651-2511 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf > Of David Carrico > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 2:05 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: OT: Dry County (was:Grid System) > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > What, you gotta sweep up the beer cans before company comes > over? ;) > > > > The Humor in that is, I am in a dry county...no beer > here.... (yes yes > > they do still exisit) > > > > Moe > > > > Moe, > > Aren't the counties on either side of you dry as well? It's > either Richmond or Tennessee! If I am not mistaken, all the > counties along the stateline w/Tennessee are dry in Kentucky! > > -- > Dave Carrico > New York Metropolitan Area > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F1602018F [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: RE: hazers Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:48:47 -0700 While I don't own any hazers, I have looked at a bunch that are quiet (in case a renter ever asks what would be best) (and when was the last time they did that?) The L'Maitre G300, Neutron XS and the MDS Atmosphere are all exceptionally quiet. Other pros/cons I'm not aware of, not having used them. Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ------------------------------ Message-ID: <22581.69.59.200.119.1123895433.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Turntable installations solicited please From: "Bill Nelson" > San Diego School of Creative and Performing Arts ( a high school) > http://www.scpa.sandi.net/info/default.asp has a 24' turntable that I > designed and they built as an introductory welding project. They used it > for almost everything shortly after building it. Then they got tired of it > and now it spends a lot of time in storage. This is a performing arts > school, so they likely have good information about how useful a turntable > really is. There is a huge difference here. The turntable you are talking about is a removable unit that is placed on stage for use. The one being contemplated for the other school is a permanent built-in system, probably motorized, that is a permanent part of the stage. The difference in cost between the two is tremendous - as is the ongoing maintenance necessary. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: FS - Auditorium Seating (UK) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:24:43 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OK - here's an opportunity for a small UK venue that may be looking for some cut-price fixed seating. We're upgrading our existing auditorium in September, and will therefore be disposing of the 154 seats in (something like) a royal blue fabric. (We may still have some spares tucked away as well). They're constructed on a cast iron leg basis with timber/fabric seats and backs, and are pretty easy to put together. If anyone's interested, drop me a mail direct (as I don't get on the list as often as I'd like). Obviously a visit to view would be wise - we're located in the Midlands - and you'd have to arrange your own transport. These will be coming out on September 5th, with the new seats being fitted that week, and I'll need to be shot of the old by the 9th as we'll need the space. Photos available on request. Cheers Tony chair [at] abbeytheatre dot co dot uk ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jerry Dougherty" Subject: Re: Turntable installations solicited please Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:25:29 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > > At the University of Northern Colorado, in the Theater in Frasier Hall (Now > the Langworthy Theatre, I think) a new theatre was built in 1952 or so with > a revolving stage built in. Worked we while I was a student (through 1957.) > But I have no idea if it's still in use or not....sorry...Bob > It was working in 2003 when the Army mobilized me. We were in the habit of using it at least once per season. What I remember, once for the opera The Devil and Daniel Webster and once for Carousel. I can't remember for sure, but I think we used it for Annie too. At one point, Rodger and I tried to digitize the control system, but the age of the motors proved to be too much for the controls we had. There was about 18" of drift when it circled at full speed. Not very precise. Jerry ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: Turntable installations solicited please Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:24:25 -0700 The biggest problem with permanent turntable will the grim that falls in to the cracks between it and the full stage to its sub floor of turn table mounts. Which will need to be cleaned out often unless an over floor is put over it. Should only need to be greased once every few years with a very light grease in the wheels. - Original Message ----- From: "Bill Nelson" > There is a huge difference here. The turntable you are talking about is a > removable unit that is placed on stage for use. The one being contemplated > for the other school is a permanent built-in system, probably motorized, > that is a permanent part of the stage. The difference in cost between the > two is tremendous - as is the ongoing maintenance necessary. > > Bill > > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #487 *****************************