Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24233021; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 03:00:38 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #490 Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 03:00:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #490 1. Re: Moving Lights by "Paul Schreiner" 2. Re: Moving Lights by "holyoak1" 3. Re: Moving Lights by "holyoak1" 4. Bees cancel show by Mark O'Brien 5. Re: Moving Lights by Herrick Goldman 6. from the strange news -- theatre related by theatre safety programs 7. Re: Bees cancel show by Delbert Hall 8. Re: from the strange news -- theatre related by "RD" 9. infrared emitter by "Mike Burnett" 10. Re: infrared emitter by Stephen Litterst 11. Re: infrared emitter by Jerry Durand 12. Re: infrared emitter by "Randy B." 13. Re: infrared emitter by Greg Bierly 14. Re: infrared emitter by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 15. anaheim lighting vendor by wyn 16. Re: Grid System (On behalf of Bill Sapsis) Part Two by Mike Katz 17. Re: anaheim lighting vendor by "Jon Lagerquist" 18. Met Opera looking for a Machinist/Welder. by David Carrico 19. Re: Audio Power Sequencer by Greg Bierly 20. Re: Audio Power Sequencer by Greg Bierly 21. Re: Audio Power Sequencer by Charlie Richmond 22. Re: Audio Power Sequencer by Jerry Durand 23. Re: Audio Power Sequencer by Charlie Richmond 24. Re: Audio Power Sequencer by CB 25. Re: Audio Power Sequencer by CB 26. Re: Audio Power Sequencer by Charlie Richmond 27. Re: Audio Power Sequencer by Bruce Purdy 28. Berkeley (Lee) Colortran Parts Search by Paul Puppo 29. Re: Berkeley (Lee) Colortran Parts Search by "Bill Nelson" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: RE: Moving Lights Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:32:04 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C8B9 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Haven't played with many, but here's my 2 cents... > I love the cybers because they are so fast. Likewise. I also like the beam spread and all the bells and whistles that come with it. I hate the bug splat color pattern, the fan noise, and the need to run 220V (in descending order). > But I love vari*lite for their optics and their zoom. Haven't tried these...but I love the Mac500Es for their relative silence, the price, and the fact that they work on standard 110V power. Having said all that, they are two different tools for two different applications. > Tell us more about your needs and the kinds of shows you do. Precisely. ------------------------------ From: "holyoak1" Subject: RE: Moving Lights Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:10:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Church use has many applications beyond traditional Sunday Service where we use the cyber light for highlighting minister, choirs, etc. WE do a number of concerts, seminars, productions and have recently staged Jesus Christ SS and Joseph on a multilevel stage. We have dance events, Christian rock concerts and a Christmas Nativity complete with all the animals inside. Its hard to say what is next, Kenneth H. Holyoak Information+Insight=Profit HIG, LLC Mail POB 68633 Indianapolis IN 46268-0633 UPS 1508 E 86th Street Suite 177 Indianapolis IN 46240 ken [at] kenholyoak.com 317-253-7000 FAX 317-255-3708 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:32 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Moving Lights For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Haven't played with many, but here's my 2 cents... > I love the cybers because they are so fast. Likewise. I also like the beam spread and all the bells and whistles that come with it. I hate the bug splat color pattern, the fan noise, and the need to run 220V (in descending order). > But I love vari*lite for their optics and their zoom. Haven't tried these...but I love the Mac500Es for their relative silence, the price, and the fact that they work on standard 110V power. Having said all that, they are two different tools for two different applications. > Tell us more about your needs and the kinds of shows you do. Precisely. ------------------------------ From: "holyoak1" Cc: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: RE: Moving Lights Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:14:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Should have read all questions before replying. Church website is www.stlukesumc.com and our tech director is IA Stagehand who has toured on rock shows and been to High End classes. WE might be only church with a "union" house. Kenneth H. Holyoak Information+Insight=Profit HIG, LLC Mail POB 68633 Indianapolis IN 46268-0633 UPS 1508 E 86th Street Suite 177 Indianapolis IN 46240 ken [at] kenholyoak.com 317-253-7000 FAX 317-255-3708 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 10:39 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Moving Lights For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- What are you doing with them? What sort of venue? Who's responsible for maintaining them (skill level)? I think more information about your situation will get you much better suggestions.... --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: holyoak1 Sent: Aug 14, 2005 10:48 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Moving Lights For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- We are planning to upgrade from 4 Cyberlites LX and 12 leko's to 12 newer moving light fixtures. I am sure everyone has at least one opinion as to which light is better. Some as to cost and some as to features. Can anyone offer any guidance and some ideas about one vs. the other? Price is always an issue but I would like to know what people think is better without price being a second consideration. . Kenneth H. Holyoak Information+Insight=Profit HIG, LLC Mail POB 68633 Indianapolis IN 46268-0633 UPS 1508 E 86th Street Suite 177 Indianapolis IN 46240 ken [at] kenholyoak.com 317-253-7000 FAX 317-255-3708 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050815074116.y8sw8sssc4cwks4g [at] www.email.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:41:16 -0700 From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Bees cancel show References:

In-Reply-To: Bees invade matinee of college musical MISSION VIEJO, Calif. (AP) -- It was the buzz that killed Saddleback College's stage production of the musical "Babes in Arms." Thousands of bees invaded an early matinee at the college's McKinney Theatre, stinging the lead actress and forcing cancellation of the 16-show run after just three performances. Julie Dixon Jackson was stung when the bees suddenly appeared at a matinee, said cast member Shanon Mills, 20, of Long Beach. As the show continued, the actors and the audience could see more and more bees under the stage lights. That evening's show was canceled as fine art division dean Rocco Cifone and others tried to figure out when the 400-seat theater's fly loft could be cleared of thousands of bees. (An exterminator armed with a vacuum had to be brought in.) Some cast members joked the 1937 Rodgers & Hart musical be renamed "Bees on Arms." "It's the first time we've had to cancel the run of an entire production because of, essentially, an act of God," Cifone said. Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music 520-621-7025 520-591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:51:24 -0400 Subject: Re: Moving Lights From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Well it sounds like you need a quiet fixture with Multiple features. I'd look at the new line of VL's 2500's Smaller and quieter. They are great lights. It depends on your budget. The VL's aren't cheap. Get a few VL1000's with some shutters to complement them. _herrick -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050815074826.0224eae0 [at] mail.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:50:16 -0700 From: theatre safety programs Subject: from the strange news -- theatre related found this one this morning Bees Invade Matinee of College Musical August 15, 2005 8:34 AM EDT MISSION VIEJO, Calif. - It was the buzz that killed Saddleback College's stage production of the musical "Babes in Arms." Thousands of bees invaded an early matinee at the college's McKinney Theatre, stinging the lead actress and forcing cancellation of the 16-show run after just three performances. Julie Dixon Jackson was stung when the bees suddenly appeared at a matinee, said cast member Shanon Mills, 20, of Long Beach. As the show continued, the actors and the audience could see more and more bees under the stage lights. That evening's show was canceled as fine art division dean Rocco Cifone and others tried to figure out when the 400-seat theater's fly loft could be cleared of thousands of bees. (An exterminator armed with a vacuum had to be brought in.) Some cast members joked the 1937 Rodgers & Hart musical be renamed "Bees on Arms." "It's the first time we've had to cancel the run of an entire production because of, essentially, an act of God," Cifone said. Jerry Gorrell ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:51:02 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: Bees cancel show In-Reply-To: References:

I did the flying for Saddleback's production of Angels in America a couple of years ago. The McKinney Theatre is a nice space. The TD for them used to be on this list - "Oh Jack?... Are you listening?" -Delbert --=20 Delbert Hall ZFX Technical Coordonator for Classic Productions Phone: 714-585-7070 On 8/15/05, Mark O'Brien wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Bees invade matinee of college musical >=20 > MISSION VIEJO, Calif. (AP) -- It was the buzz that killed Saddleback Coll= ege's > stage production of the musical "Babes in Arms." Thousands of bees invade= d an > early matinee at the college's McKinney Theatre, stinging the lead actres= s and > forcing cancellation of the 16-show run after just three performances. >=20 > Julie Dixon Jackson was stung when the bees suddenly appeared at a > matinee, said > cast member Shanon Mills, 20, of Long Beach. As the show continued, the a= ctors > and the audience could see more and more bees under the stage lights. >=20 > That evening's show was canceled as fine art division dean Rocco Cifone a= nd > others tried to figure out when the 400-seat theater's fly loft could be > cleared of thousands of bees. (An exterminator armed with a vacuum had to= be > brought in.) >=20 > Some cast members joked the 1937 Rodgers & Hart musical be renamed "Bees = on > Arms." >=20 >=20 > "It's the first time we've had to cancel the run of an entire > production because > of, essentially, an act of God," Cifone said. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mark O'Brien > Opera Technical Director > University of Arizona, School of Music > 520-621-7025 > 520-591-1803 Mobile >=20 > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: from the strange news -- theatre related Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:03:32 -0600 In-reply-to: Message-ID: Yep, got that one yesterday. Wowee. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of theatre safety programs Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:50 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: from the strange news -- theatre related For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- found this one this morning Bees Invade Matinee of College Musical August 15, 2005 8:34 AM EDT MISSION VIEJO, Calif. - It was the buzz that killed Saddleback College's stage production of the musical "Babes in Arms." Thousands of bees invaded an early matinee at the college's McKinney Theatre, stinging the lead actress and forcing cancellation of the 16-show run after just three performances. Julie Dixon Jackson was stung when the bees suddenly appeared at a matinee, said cast member Shanon Mills, 20, of Long Beach. As the show continued, the actors and the audience could see more and more bees under the stage lights. That evening's show was canceled as fine art division dean Rocco Cifone and others tried to figure out when the 400-seat theater's fly loft could be cleared of thousands of bees. (An exterminator armed with a vacuum had to be brought in.) Some cast members joked the 1937 Rodgers & Hart musical be renamed "Bees on Arms." "It's the first time we've had to cancel the run of an entire production because of, essentially, an act of God," Cifone said. Jerry Gorrell ------------------------------ Subject: infrared emitter Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:45:37 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Mike Burnett" I recently purchased a couple of cheap home security cameras at Sams for use in our theatre space (for our SMs to monitor areas not seen from the booth). These cameras have infrared LED emitters on them, that in a small room, work pretty well. In a dark room, you can see about 15 feet or so. However, on stage, the LEDs don't have enough punch for the cameras to pick up anything. I have seen on some tours a small Infrared emitter, usually located on the FOH console, or the FOH truss. Anyone know where to pick one of these up or how to build yourself? Thanks, MB Mike Burnett, M.F.A. Assistant Professor of Theatre Chair, Department of Theatre Huntington University Impact your World...for Christ...in Scholarship...through Service 260-359-4279 office 260-359-4249 fax mburnett [at] huntington.edu www.huntington.edu/theatre=20 I always thank God for you because of his grace given you in Christ Jesus. For in him you have been enriched in every way - in all your speaking and in all your knowledge. =20 --1 Corinthians 1:4-5=20 "We are such stuff as dreams are made on and our little life is rounded with a sleep..." --The Tempest (IV:1, 156-157) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:02:57 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: infrared emitter In-reply-to: Message-id: <4300BCB1.3040405 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Mike Burnett wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > I recently purchased a couple of cheap home security cameras at Sams for > use in our theatre space (for our SMs to monitor areas not seen from the > booth). These cameras have infrared LED emitters on them, that in a > small room, work pretty well. In a dark room, you can see about 15 feet > or so. However, on stage, the LEDs don't have enough punch for the > cameras to pick up anything. I have seen on some tours a small Infrared > emitter, usually located on the FOH console, or the FOH truss. Anyone > know where to pick one of these up or how to build yourself? I have seen these, too. When we bought a new FOH video system I did some research and found the the LED emitters are a bit too expensive for our needs. What I ended up doing was hanging a Selecon 90 degree FOH gelled with primary red, blue and green. Lights up the stage like it's noon as far as the camera is concerned but doesn't let out any light that the audience will notice. You can use any fixture from your stock, as long as it will cover the stage. Steve L -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <34A9985D-8AF8-456B-BCAC-2CD66133F9A6 [at] interstellar.com> From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: infrared emitter Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:06:39 -0700 On Aug 15, 2005, at 8:45 AM, Mike Burnett wrote: > Anyone > know where to pick one of these up or how to build yourself? For the DIY type, it's just a LOT of IR LEDs and a power supply. Hints: A group of LEDs in series only needs one dropping resistor or current regulator for the entire group. Use regulated DC so the camera doesn't see flicker. LEDs are efficient, but a lot in a small area gets hot. Heat kills LEDs. If it's too warm to hold comfortably, it's too hot. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001301c5a1b5$c452f250$f1504898 [at] GLOBAL.SCJ.LOC> From: "Randy B." References: Subject: Re: infrared emitter Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:24:09 -0500 Go to www.mcmelectronics.com look at part#'s 28-6419 & 82-10065 Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Burnett" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:45 AM Subject: infrared emitter > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I recently purchased a couple of cheap home security cameras at Sams for > use in our theatre space (for our SMs to monitor areas not seen from the > booth). These cameras have infrared LED emitters on them, that in a > small room, work pretty well. In a dark room, you can see about 15 feet > or so. However, on stage, the LEDs don't have enough punch for the > cameras to pick up anything. I have seen on some tours a small Infrared > emitter, usually located on the FOH console, or the FOH truss. Anyone > know where to pick one of these up or how to build yourself? > > Thanks, > MB > > > > Mike Burnett, M.F.A. > Assistant Professor of Theatre > Chair, Department of Theatre > > Huntington University > Impact your World...for Christ...in Scholarship...through Service > > 260-359-4279 office > 260-359-4249 fax > > mburnett [at] huntington.edu > www.huntington.edu/theatre > > I always thank God for you because of his grace given you in Christ > Jesus. For in him you have been enriched in every way - in all your > speaking and in all your knowledge. > --1 Corinthians 1:4-5 > "We are such stuff as dreams are made on and our little life is rounded > with a sleep..." > --The Tempest (IV:1, 156-157) > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <879fd17eaca1eb0c7e049337882a5980 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: infrared emitter Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:07:20 -0400 > Anyone > know where to pick one of these up or how to build yourself? > I know supercircuits.com has them. search for "illuminator" this was discussed a while back. google to find a couple of ways to make your own. someone on list suggested a source four with a couple of cuts of R27 at a low level that I had work for me on stage. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: infrared emitter Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:24:34 -0400 Message-ID: <004c01c5a1be$37bb5810$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > Anyone > > know where to pick one of these up or how to build yourself? Just give each audience member a TV remote. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4300DB14.5030504 [at] idworld.net> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:12:36 -0500 From: wyn Subject: anaheim lighting vendor Does anyone know of a good lighting house that works at the anaheim convention center .I just recieved a call from one of my clients needing lighting there starting tommrow(yeah tommrow!) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7cd95e180508151111ee59856 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:11:35 -0400 From: Mike Katz Subject: Re: Grid System (On behalf of Bill Sapsis) Part Two In-Reply-To: References:

Joe, Grids are one place that I feel Roto locks are a pain in the butt. They are a great connector to connect short pipes to long onnes at a rigid 90, but they are a pain to use with long lengths in enclosed spaces (like a grid) since one of the pipes needs to slide into the fitting. I would reccomend the 2 piece grid clamps that bolt together, also at a rigid 90. they are cheaper and easier for a fixed grid. Speaking of cheaper, If you do want a rotolock type of device go to Bill and buy his pipe loop clamps, they are much less expensive thn a rotolock. The one dowside of them is that they use an allen wrench to tighten two screws rather than the one hex nut on the original. they are a bit harder to install, but (IIRC) you can buy three for the cost of one rotolock. Mike Katz MIT Theater Arts TD On 8/15/05, Joseph Champelli wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Point your contractor towards rota-locks. > Remember 1.5" sched. 40 pipe (1.6" ID 1.9" OD) >=20 > rota-locks are easy to use and allow you to create a grid of pipe that > will be very rigid and yet offer flexibility if you need to add or > remove sections of pipe. >=20 > go here for a picture of a rota-lcok: > http://www.stage-n-studio.com/Cat_PDF_pages/page19.pdf >=20 > here for a price: > http://spike.pnta.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=3DPROD&Product_Code= =3DURL11%2F2&Category_Code=3DFH&Product_Count=3D10 >=20 >=20 > Joe >=20 >=20 > -- > Joseph Champelli > University of Tennessee > FTSI > --- >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- > Mr Sapsis wrote: >=20 > >...There's no reason to re-invent the wheel or to turn something as > > simple as a > > grid into a 3-act play. And that's what the Uni-Strut will do. > > First you > > will need the right kind of connector. Then it's the spring bolts. > > Then > > it's the splices. Lordy, it do get complicated. > > > > Go with the pipe. It'll be easy to install and you'll have time for > > a beer > > on the back deck at sundown. > > > > Hope that helps. > > Bill S. > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Cc: wyn [at] idworld.net (wyn) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:52:58 -0700 Subject: Re: anaheim lighting vendor Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <4300821A.26091.7078F70 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: Right off the bat I'd call California Stage and Lighting 714-966-1852 They are just a couple of miles south. > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Does anyone know of a good lighting house that works at the anaheim > convention center .I just recieved a call from one of my clients needing > lighting there starting tommrow(yeah tommrow!) > Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1964cf3b05081512092d979a0d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:09:14 -0400 From: David Carrico Subject: Met Opera looking for a Machinist/Welder. Greetings, The Metropolitan Opera Electrics Shop has an opening for a Machinist/Welder. I am not sure of exact job duties and salary/wages. The contact person is Paul Spittle, 212-799-3100, extension 2341, pspittle [at] mail.metopera.org. --=20 Dave Carrico New York Metropolitan Area ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <20f0d94023e320b3fece67529bf65dd7 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Audio Power Sequencer Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:00:39 -0400 > At this point you are suggesting that that same kit should be operated > by > kids and / or the janitor, and spend a coupla hundred bucks on some > automation to protect it. I just got back from vacation and have not noticed one of the benefits for power sequencing a sound system. It does protect my equipment from idiots powering up and down but it also can streamline operations. My system was originally installed with the Atlas power sequencer on the onstage equipment rack but the FOH gear had to be turned on separately. The op had to turn on all of the FOH gear walk backstage, open the locked cabinet push the sequence button (since the rack door had the cutout on the right and the switch was on the left), then reverse that at the end of the day. I am not saying I am above walking from FOH to the stage. As a one man operation at times I don't have the time for the walk to get the sound up and running. I put in a 2 pair wire between FOH and the onstage rack and added a relay for the FOH gear and a momentary switch to power everything up and down. I can have a mic operational in a matter of 8 seconds as opposed to the 140 seconds it took to get backstage and open the rack (and that is with an empty house). I agree you want to train your people in the proper way to power a system but that is what the 200 seat hall is for as opposed the the 1300 seat Performing Arts Center. Just my $.02 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7785e66d0b1ddd1e0f9feb10670c52d5 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Audio Power Sequencer Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:21:36 -0400 > Does anyone have a particular favorite? To answer the original question I like the Atlas. I do have a sticking relay in the onstage rack after 10 years of operation (won't power down the amp without a swift kick, it is on my list to repair). The other item was addressed that the power switch and the sequence switch are located next to each other and very easy to confuse. I have the unit locked up and a remote switch installed (Key switch is coming next) and the problem is alleviated. Related question, has anyone tried combining systems (ie. furman with atlas or middle atlantic?) I inherited a furman relay but don't have anything else to go with it. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:31:33 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Audio Power Sequencer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005, Greg Bierly wrote: > To answer the original question I like the Atlas. I do have a sticking relay Only mechanical relays will stick. Any self respecting device these days should use solid state relays... But of course this will increase the cost considerably! I have built some remote relay boxes that sequenced based on MIDI sequences from the show controller which is the ultimate power sequencer in a way.. Charlie ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050815145120.029ee5f0 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:53:42 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Audio Power Sequencer In-Reply-To: References:

At 02:31 PM 8/15/2005, you wrote: >>To answer the original question I like the Atlas. I do have a sticking relay > >Only mechanical relays will stick. Any self respecting device these >days should use solid state relays... But of course this will >increase the cost considerably! I have built some remote relay >boxes that sequenced based on MIDI sequences from the show >controller which is the ultimate power sequencer in a way.. Remember that solid-state relays tend to fail ON. For critical equipment, use relays designed to NOT stick (Definite Purpose), these have two contacts in series, one set sticking will be peeled open by the other set (mechanical interlock). -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:00:05 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Audio Power Sequencer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005, Jerry Durand wrote: > Remember that solid-state relays tend to fail ON. For critical equipment, Well, that's certainly true but they are far more reliable than mechanical ones, which definitely have a limited life, especially with high surge currents. With solid state relays, if they can withstand the turn on joules required once, they will basically be able to do it forever... > use relays designed to NOT stick (Definite Purpose), these have two contacts > in series, one set sticking will be peeled open by the other set (mechanical > interlock). Good point. Are there any sequencers made with these? Charlie ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050815153202.00d0cdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:32:02 From: CB Subject: Re: Audio Power Sequencer >> Sounds good in theory, but we all know that it costs more to continually >> replace gear (or users, if the gear isn't replaced) htan it does to > >Ah... Chris... you know you've been trapped here.... the point is they WON'T >replace the gear! And that's why they want to protect it ;-) That's why I included the hidden cost of trying to replace the customers that go elsewhere when the gear no longer performs adequately. The point is that the sequencer only protects the gear in one particular instance, and is easily circumvented. A good sound engineer protects the gear at all times, and from all comers, and is NOT easily circumvented. Sequencer or not, without qualified personell operating complicated and delicate (i.e., expensive) gear, you *will* lose gear. You will just have spent the money to replace it on the sequencer, and the next time something goes you are right back to where you started, sans two pieces of gear and the cost of the sequencer, all of which could have been saved by competent operators. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050815153837.00d0cdc0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:38:37 From: CB Subject: Re: Audio Power Sequencer >Over 100 feet? That's 1.5W per foot. No problem at all. Sending 450 watts to >the loudspeaker continuously will cause considerably more damage to the speaker >and the audience's ears. And they can boast that they own the system with the world's largest speaker fuse in the bargain! Charlie, how often is the heat dissipated equally at 1.5W per foot? Nine times out of ten, the Rat Shack purchases indicate the competence of the installer. Occasionally (that's not always, not even sometimes, but say, once out of every ten or so...) there is a person that installs that knows that Rat Shack is just a distribution point, and some of the components you can purchase there are *NOT* crap. You really need to kow what you are buying before you get installation components form the local Rat Shack. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:08:54 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Audio Power Sequencer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 15 Aug 2005, CB wrote: > speaker fuse in the bargain! Charlie, how often is the heat dissipated > equally at 1.5W per foot? Oh boy... this is really going further than I expected... Well, to answer this question I guess you'd want to refer to the quality control of the exact wire sold by Radio Shack in this case. Since it might not be real great, let's say that some foot long sections may have to dissipate up to 2W for a few brief moments. Still not a problem at all. An electrician friend tells me that the electric utilities company loves running undersize feeder cable through the air to houses because the cooling effect of being in free air technically allows them to put in two sizes less than he is allowed to do inside the house... This usually means a drop of up to 10V between pole and building with a 200A feed at full power but it saves them almost $5!!!!!! wow.... > Nine times out of ten, the Rat Shack purchases indicate the competence of > the installer. Occasionally (that's not always, not even sometimes, but The rest of the time, it simply indicates that, in most small and medium size towns in North America, RS is the only frigging place you can actually buy anything electronic without mail ordering it!!! I've been known to buy RS stuff many times quite willingly and with the realisation that I know way more than the poor schmos that work there about the stuff in their shop -- and it's limitations!!! And if I'm on a quick job in North Carolina on the weekend and find that their cluster is wired with bell wire, then what RS has might be an infinite improvement, ok? ;-) And I usually tell the people who hired me on a budget that they should replace what I put in real soon with something better -- but it rarely happens... > say, once out of every ten or so...) there is a person that installs that > knows that Rat Shack is just a distribution point, and some of the > components you can purchase there are *NOT* crap. You really need to kow > what you are buying before you get installation components form the local > Rat Shack. Absolutely!!! My point exactly ;-) But in this case, the wire used is adequate -- not great but certainly not fatal! Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Audio Power Sequencer From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > That's why I included the hidden cost of trying to replace the customers > that go elsewhere when the gear no longer performs adequately. > Sequencer or not, without qualified personell operating complicated and > delicate (i.e., expensive) gear, you *will* lose gear. Chris, Unless I'm sadly mistaken, this thread involves a *school* - not a professional theatre. Therefore, as much as you'd prefer them to do so they will not hire a dedicated professional sound guy - heck they likely don't have a professional director, or any other theatre folks. Certainly not actors. As for "Replacing customers that go elsewhere", so long as their little Tommy or Susie is in the school play, you won't loose your audience to any competitor! We all agree that a qualified operator is preferable, but in a school it just ain't gonna happen! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3998154b05081601056353235d [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 01:05:47 -0700 From: Paul Puppo Subject: Berkeley (Lee) Colortran Parts Search In-Reply-To: References: Hi, A friend of mine is curious about the availability of Berkeley parts (30 degree, 40 degree etc.) Anyone have any sources? Thanks, Paul Puppo ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3858.64.28.48.36.1124183980.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:19:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Berkeley (Lee) Colortran Parts Search From: "Bill Nelson" > A friend of mine is curious about the availability of Berkeley parts > (30 degree, 40 degree etc.) There are a number of instruments in the Colortran series. Are you talking about the 6" ellipsoidal? If so, I have three of the lens holders with lenses. They are unused. I have sold my Berkeys, so no longer have a need for them. By moving the baffles and lenses around, you can configure them for 12, 20, 30 or 40 degrees. The lamps are readily available. If I recall correctly, they use the FEL. I don't know where you would get other parts. Bill ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #490 *****************************