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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #494

 1. Re: Low grids - was Grid System
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 2. Re: Top Posting (was:Re: Large sigs and RE: repeat RE: RE: repeat RE: RE: RE: re
    by Joseph Champelli <joechamp [at] gmail.com>
 3. Re: Top Posting (was:Re: Large sigs and RE: repeat RE: RE: repeat RE: RE: RE: re
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
 4. Re: Low grids - was Grid System
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
 5. Re: Top Posting (was:Re: Large sigs and RE: repeat RE: RE: repeat RE: RE: RE: re
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 6. Re: Top Posting (was:Re: Large sigs and RE: repeat RE: RE: repeat RE: RE: RE: re
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
 7. Re: Color Perception
    by <becheree [at] jmu.edu>
 8. Re: Color perception
    by John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
 9. Re: Low grids - was Grid System
    by Mick Alderson <alderson [at] uwosh.edu>
10. Re: Top Posting & gmail
    by usctd [at] columbia.sc
11. Re: Thoughts on Knots?
    by Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
12. Re: Low grids - was Grid System
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
13. RE Quilters quilt
    by Tom Grabowski <tomgrab [at] utpa.edu>
14. Re: Thoughts on Knots?
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
15. Re: Thoughts on Knots?
    by Patrick Immel <salukitd [at] gmail.com>
16. Re: Thoughts on Knots?
    by Patrick Immel <salukitd [at] gmail.com>
17. Re: Thoughts on Knots?
    by Eric Rouse <erictd [at] gmail.com>
18. Re: Large sigs and RE: repeat RE: RE: repeat RE: RE: RE:	repeatreplies
    by "C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
19. Re: Large sigs and RE: repeat RE: RE: repeat RE: RE: RE:repeatreplies
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
20. Re: Low grids - was Grid System
    by "C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
21. Bottom posting/top posting
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
22. Re: Color perception
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
23. Re: Low grids - was Grid System
    by "C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
24. Re: Bottom posting/top posting
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
25. Re: Top Posting & gmail
    by Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
26. Re[2]: Grid System (On behalf of Bill Sapsis) Part Two
    by "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
27. Re: Thoughts on Knots?
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
28. Top posting (was: RE: Large sigs etc.)
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
29. Re: Top Posting
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
30. fight choreographers
    by JDruc3737 [at] aol.com
31. Re: Low grids - was Grid System
    by "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
32. Re: Top Posting
    by Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
33. Question about obsolete Strand model numbers
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
34. Re: Thoughts on Knots?
    by "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
35. An incident in Winnipeg
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
36. Re: Top Posting
    by Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
37. Re: Thoughts on Knots?
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
38. Re: Question about obsolete Strand model numbers
    by Jeff Gardiner <jeffg [at] erols.com>
39. Re: Thoughts on Knots?
    by Brian Munroe <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
40. Re: Thoughts on Knots?
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Low grids - was Grid System
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 06:22:31 -0400
Message-ID: <000f01c5a4a7$eb76eae0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-24331034 [at] prxy.net>



> 2)  What are "Birdies" and how are those used?
> 
> Birdies are PAR16 (can't remember the designation anymore

MR16s, actually.  They're called "birdies" because they're "under PAR".



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Message-ID: <621d2eb005081903492e5fde82 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 03:49:37 -0700
From: Joseph Champelli <joechamp [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Top Posting (was:Re: Large sigs and RE: repeat RE: RE: repeat RE: RE: RE: repeat replies)
In-Reply-To: <list-24329595 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24329189 [at] prxy.net> <list-24329595 [at] prxy.net>

Amen to that.  I used to get the digest version before gmail.  The
difference is dramatic.  I started with gmail just for this list and I
now have 2 other accounts for task specific things.

Technology has caught up.

J

P.S.  I don't work for gmail...or Bill.



On 8/18/05, Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>=20
> Not if I were following the thread in order. The message you would be
> referring to would have been the last one I read on the subject.
> As for the digest: Sorry, I prefer to receive each email for this main
> reason... I can ignore entire discussions.
> When I read a message that is part of a thread and I need additional
> info, I'll back track a few messages. I know some people have changed
> their mailing list email to gmail, including me. This sorts in order
> and minimizes all the messages in a thread that I've already read.
> Before I changed, I was using Eudora Pro and I still have my own set
> of archives to search. Using Eudora, I could sort by thread/subject
> name, sender and/or date.
> None of these message management methods are available to me using the di=
gest.
>=20
> >
> > If I were to reverse that process, (i.e., my input first, snip follow) =
that
> > wouldn't be confusing?
> >
> >
> --
> Take care, Scott
>=20


--=20
Joseph Champelli
University of Tennessee
FTSI

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Message-ID: <b7318c48050819042170a09fc0 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:21:03 -0400
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Top Posting (was:Re: Large sigs and RE: repeat RE: RE: repeat RE: RE: RE: repeat replies)
In-Reply-To: <list-24333671 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24329189 [at] prxy.net> <list-24329595 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-24333671 [at] prxy.net>

Let me say that I completely agree with Joe about Gmail.  I too
started using Gmail because of this list and it has made reading (or
ignoring) threads MUCH simplier and efficient.

I prefer top posting because I don't have to scroll down to read
replys - they are right there on the top of text.  If the writer has
not done a good job of putting his/her teply into context and I don't
undstand the rely, I will then read the quoted text at the bottom.

Everyone will have his/her preferences and their reasons for them.  I
can live with top or bottom posting, but I hate signatures (including
a Tom Swifty or cleaver saying) that are more than four lines long
(mine is three).

-Delbert
=20
> Amen to that.  I used to get the digest version before gmail.  The
> difference is dramatic.  I started with gmail just for this list and I
> now have 2 other accounts for task specific things.
>=20
> Technology has caught up.
>=20
> J
>=20
> P.S.  I don't work for gmail...or Bill.
>=20

--=20
Delbert Hall
ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions
Phone: 714-585-7070

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Message-ID: <b7318c48050819042446c8ad55 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:24:50 -0400
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com
Subject: Re: Low grids - was Grid System
In-Reply-To: <list-24333206 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24331034 [at] prxy.net> <list-24333206 [at] prxy.net>

On a PAR16, a birdie is 15 shots. ;-)

-Delbert

>=20
> > 2)  What are "Birdies" and how are those used?
> >
> > Birdies are PAR16 (can't remember the designation anymore
>=20
> MR16s, actually.  They're called "birdies" because they're "under PAR".



--=20
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions
Phone: 714-585-7070

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Top Posting (was:Re: Large sigs and RE: repeat RE: RE: repeat RE: RE: RE: repeat replies)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:34:47 -0400
Message-ID: <001801c5a4b2$03cce220$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-24333959 [at] prxy.net>

Actually, I'm less concerned about where the replies are (let's face it;
some people just like to be on top) than I am about the fact that several
list members are still differentiating their replies from the original text
only by the most subtle (read: virtually undetectable) means.

> Original text should look
> like this.

| or like
| this

=========================================================
Or like this.



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Message-ID: <b7318c4805081904566e32e7bd [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:56:50 -0400
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com
Subject: Re: Top Posting (was:Re: Large sigs and RE: repeat RE: RE: repeat RE: RE: RE: repeat replies)
In-Reply-To: <list-24334080 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24333959 [at] prxy.net> <list-24334080 [at] prxy.net>

I agree with Jeffery - we need to make sure that when we post quoted
text, it is clear that it is quoted text. Thanks for the good
examples.

Note: Above I tried to reference the orginal post.  I appreciate short
post, but I hate it when some people just say something like "I
agree." and then you have to read the entire original post to try to
figure out what it is they are agreeing with.

I also hate when I boggy a PAR16, and a PAR64 is just too darn long.
Oops, wrong thread. ;-)

-Delbert

> Actually, I'm less concerned about where the replies are (let's face it;
> some people just like to be on top) than I am about the fact that several
> list members are still differentiating their replies from the original te=
xt
> only by the most subtle (read: virtually undetectable) means.
>=20
> > Original text should look
> > like this.
>=20
> | or like
> | this
>=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Or like this.
>=20
>=20
>=20


--=20
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions
Phone: 714-585-7070

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:22:55 -0400
From: <becheree [at] jmu.edu>
Subject: Re:Color Perception
Message-Id: <5f99fafa.2e44cd77.d790e00 [at] mpmail1.jmu.edu>

Thought you might be interested to know, if you don't already, that this year 
marks the 100th anniversary of the Munsell color system.  There was a really 
interesting article in American Scientist (a friend of mine recieves it-not me!) 
about it this month!
Emily 
------------------------------ 

Subject: Color perception 
From: "Steven Haworth" <sjh [at] idm.com> 

Got this from another list I'm on - an amazing web site on how we = 
perceive color: 
= 
http://www.echalk.co.uk/amusements/OpticalIllusions/colourPerception/colo= 
urPerception.html 


- Steven      (sjh [at] idm.com) 
--------------------------- 
Emily E. Becher
Assistant Professor, Lighting Design
James Madison University

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Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20050819084500.03203ae8 [at] pop.lightlink.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:53:57 -0400
From: John Bracewell <jbrace [at] lightlink.com>
Subject: Re: Color perception
In-Reply-To: <list-24322646 [at] prxy.net>

Illusions such as these have been available in books on psychophysics for 
many years.  As to predicting how colors will interact, guidelines do 
exist.  Some interesting information can be found in texts on TV 
production.  In television lighting, the general rule is (or maybe was, 
since I haven't looked into video lighting practice in quite a while) 
provide an area of "white" light (white in quotation marks because what 
constitutes white can very with surrounding conditions and 
time).  Otherwise, faces lit with colored light will appear to be the color 
of the light, not skin color lit with colored light.

Predicting illusory effects is not an exact science, but applying illusory 
effects takes primarily 1. a general knowledge of psychophysics of vision; 
2. planning ways to create the effect; and 3. experimentation and 
adjustment to make the effect work.

-- JLB


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Message-ID: <4305DAF2.6040505 [at] uwosh.edu>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:13:22 -0500
From: Mick Alderson <alderson [at] uwosh.edu>
Subject: RE: Low grids - was Grid System

Chris Warner responded:

> 1)  How do you use the ministrips (lighting areas?  scenic elements?)
> how you use things is personal preference.
>   
> I use them primarily for scenic elements, and ground row cyc lights,
> occasionally has sky cyc lights as well.


Several years ago, I stuck some traditional striplights on the grid of 
our black box (grid is at 16 ft.) as a high side/top wash. They are only 
occasionally used as color toning in "designed" shows, but get used a 
LOT for those last minute "We're doing a scene at 12:30. Can we get some 
stage lighting?" kind of requests! Ministrips might do the same on a 
lower grid.

Mick Alderson

TD, Fredric March Theatre
University of Wis. Oshkosh


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Message-ID: <1477.69.162.0.57.1124457355.squirrel [at] webmail.columbia.sc>
In-Reply-To: <list-24333671 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24329189 [at] prxy.net> <list-24329595 [at] prxy.net>
    <list-24333671 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:15:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Top Posting & gmail
From: usctd [at] columbia.sc

Hold on...let me se if I snip and put this in the right place......crap
that should go on top of this, oh well.

 >Amen to that.  I used to get the digest version before gmail.  The
> difference is dramatic.

Had to jump on the gmail bandwagon.  Hopefully the new account will be up
soon.  If anyone would like a gmail acount, let me know.  I have a few
invites left.
-- 
Eric Rouse
TD-Penn State University, State College, PA
Freelance Foyboy




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Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20050819065140.02a92280 [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 06:57:00 -0700
From: Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Knots?
In-Reply-To: <list-24333020 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24333020 [at] prxy.net>

So, with the help of Delbert and Unka Bill, I've been sorting through 
several hundred knots trying to limit my list to 20 for my upcoming rigging 
class. There are just so many fun knots that I'm finding it hard to chose. 
So here is the question:

If you could take only twenty knots with you to that mythological desert 
island theatre, which would you take and why?


Loren Schreiber, Technical Director
School of Theatre, Television and Film
San Diego State University

Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charity Ride. Check out
www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html for more information.




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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Low grids - was Grid System
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:07:06 -0400
Message-ID: <003d01c5a4c7$4b867f80$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-24335038 [at] prxy.net>

=20
> > 1)  How do you use the ministrips

They're fairly useful for keeping doors open, but a little too big to =
use as
paperweights.



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From: Tom Grabowski <tomgrab [at] utpa.edu>
Cc: sboone [at] bgnet.bgsu.edu
Subject: RE Quilters quilt
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:06:58 -0500
Message-ID: <20050819090658781.00000002888 [at] TGRABOWSKI>


>Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:29:26 -0400
>From: "sboone [at] bgnet.bgsu.edu" <sboone [at] bgnet.bgsu.edu>\
>Subject: Quilters quilt

>
>Hi all,
>     Does anybody have a source for renting the quilt and all the blocks u=
sed in Quilters?  I'm asking for someone >>else.  We did the show here in 1=
991, and rented a really nice quilt for it, but I've forgotten who we got i=
t from.
>
>Feel free to reply off list.
>
>tia,
>Steve Boone
>Asst. Prof. today, Bowling Green State University


	I have the quilt and the extra blocks used for the show except for the sch=
ool house block.  The Actresses made their own and kept them.  Our rental c=
harge is $100 and program credit for the Rio Grande Valley Quilters Associa=
tion.  Our production included one of your alumni.


-- =

Tom Grabowski			University of Texas-Pan American
Designer/Technical Director	Communication Department
Tomgrab [at] UTPA.edu			Edinburg, Texas 78541
956/381-3588			FAX 956/318-2187


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Message-ID: <b7318c4805081907185bde3596 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:18:22 -0400
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Knots?
In-Reply-To: <list-24335536 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24333020 [at] prxy.net> <list-24335536 [at] prxy.net>

The knot I choose for a certain application depends partly on if I am
tying it in a natural or synthetic rope.  There are some great new
knots that work much better with the slicker synthetic ropes than some
of the older knots.  Also, do I need to untie this knot easily after a
load is applied, or is it going to stay in place for a long time.=20
Just some things to keep in mind when trying to narrow down your list
to 20 knots for your desert island adventure.

-Delbert

On 8/19/05, Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>=20
> So, with the help of Delbert and Unka Bill, I've been sorting through
> several hundred knots trying to limit my list to 20 for my upcoming riggi=
ng
> class. There are just so many fun knots that I'm finding it hard to chose=
.
> So here is the question:
>=20
> If you could take only twenty knots with you to that mythological desert
> island theatre, which would you take and why?
>=20
>=20
> Loren Schreiber, Technical Director
> School of Theatre, Television and Film
> San Diego State University
>=20
> Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charity Ride. Check ou=
t
> www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html for more information.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20


--=20
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions
Phone: 714-585-7070

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Message-ID: <b3333cd605081907206290e898 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:20:51 -0500
From: Patrick Immel <salukitd [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Knots?
In-Reply-To: <list-24335536 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24333020 [at] prxy.net> <list-24335536 [at] prxy.net>

On 8/19/05, Loren Schreiber <lschreib [at] mail.sdsu.edu> wrote:

> If you could take only twenty knots with you to that mythological desert
> island theatre, which would you take and why?
> Loren Schreiber, Technical Director


I defer to Mick Alerson on this one!

Patrick Immel
Northwest Missouri State University

**Using Gmail for Stagecraft messages and loving the threads feature!!*

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Message-ID: <b3333cd6050819072329a2abda [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:23:24 -0500
From: Patrick Immel <salukitd [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Knots?
In-Reply-To: <b3333cd605081907206290e898 [at] mail.gmail.com>
References: <list-24333020 [at] prxy.net> <list-24335536 [at] prxy.net>
	 <b3333cd605081907206290e898 [at] mail.gmail.com>

On 8/19/05, Patrick Immel <salukitd [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> I defer to Mick Alerson on this one!
>=20


Sorry Mick!  That would be Alderson!

Pat

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Message-ID: <41f080680508190742704f5dcd [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:42:45 -0400
From: Eric Rouse <erictd [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Knots?
In-Reply-To: <list-24335536 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24333020 [at] prxy.net> <list-24335536 [at] prxy.net>

> If you could take only twenty knots with you to that mythological desert =
island theatre, which would you take and why?
> Loren Schreiber, Technical Director
> School of Theatre, Television and Film
> San Diego State University

Hey Loren,

I usually only teach four or five knots due to time and retention
restraints (although that may change here at PSU).  If I could teach
more, here are some of my preffered.

1. Bowline - obvious
2. figure 8-simple and on bite - great secure knot that is easy to untie.
3. Clove hitch - obvious
4. Bowline on a bite - I like the double loop feature and I feel it is
a safer knot than the straight bowline.
5. Butterfly loop - Great for in-line needs
6. Double fishermans loop - great for making rope "slings"
7. Prusik - for climbing, safety=20
8. Slipped buntline hitch - had to look up the name of that one.  Good
hitch that is secure and releases pretty easily.
9. I don't know the name for this one, but you wrap a pipe (or
whatever) once or twice and then finish with a couple half hitches.  I
use this all the time and people think I do it cause I can't tie a
clove hitch.  I happen to think it is more secure and easier to use
when under load.  I guess it's just too simple for most to appreciate.
10. Truckers hitch!!  Mechanical advantage at it's simplest.
11.  Teach 'em how to coil and dress rope!
12.  I know some won't be thrilled about this one and I never teach
it, but for myself I'd have to take that circus knot with me in case I
found some ac cable there.  I doubt I would have cable clips or a
compression tool!

--=20
Eric Rouse
TD-Penn State University
State College, PA

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Date:	Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:56:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Large sigs and RE: repeat RE: RE: repeat RE: RE: RE:
	repeatreplies
From:	"C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
Message-ID: <BF2B6B67.1CAD8%brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
In-Reply-To: <90d9c998050818213714659f9d [at] mail.gmail.com>

Who owns/runs the list?  What does he want us to do?  Argument over.

CD


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Large sigs and RE: repeat RE: RE: repeat RE: RE: RE:repeatreplies
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:00:49 -0400
Message-ID: <004501c5a4ce$cc9ee1f0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-24336330 [at] prxy.net>

Aw, Chris....
 
> Who owns/runs the list?  What does he want us to do?  Argument over.


...you're no fun at all.



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Date:	Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:04:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Low grids - was Grid System
From:	"C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
Message-ID: <BF2B6D59.1CADB%brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
In-Reply-To: <003401c5a482$60b0f240$6701a8c0 [at] tamiasuis>

On 8/19/05 1:53 AM, "Christopher K. Nimm" <nimmck [at] charter.net> wrote:

> I hope that this thread hasn't contained a lot of tips for low-height
> lighting that I've missed--it's something that I could always stand to learn
> more about.  Mainly, I'm interested in two topics for now:
> 
> 1)  How do you use the ministrips (lighting areas?  scenic elements?)
> 2)  What are "Birdies" and how are those used?

It's on old old OLD dance lighting trick - and one not much used these days
except on cruise ships - but striplights make fabulous dance sidelight,
especially ministrips in small spaces and dances that want "soft" sidelight.
You can even strap them to the front of the same booms you put your standard
leko sidelighting on, if you put the leko sidearms upstage/downstage of the
boom pipe.  

Of course you can also use the ministrips as footlights and cyc lighting.
Yes, 12' high cycs look a little funny...but when that's your background,
light it!

Birdies are MR-16 120v 75w lamps in tiny little leko-like housings, complete
with tiny little gel frames and tiny little bardoors.  They throw rather
sharp light and it gets pretty thin at 20 feet out, but for getting light
from a location where no other unit will fit, they're great.  They do get
rather hot, though and the lamps are susceptible for vibration.  Still, I
use them as footlights on dance concerts quite a bit and when there's a tap
piece, I make sure the theatre has a whole bunch of spare lamps on hand.
Besides, you can fit a whole bunch on one dimmer.

In small spaces, these units are lifesavers.

CD


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Message-ID: <20050819152132.80130.qmail [at] web50603.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:21:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Bottom posting/top posting
In-Reply-To: <list-24333020 [at] prxy.net>

Bottom Posting / Top posting...how about free will and
choice. Why should I make it easy for a lazy person. I
am sure no one is going to make anything easy for me.
Can we all try to remember it is only YOU who makes
YOU read the stuff.

Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."

__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
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In-Reply-To: <list-24334851 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24334851 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <13C4907F-154E-4FE2-A211-9CDCC389282F [at] interstellar.com>
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Color perception
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:22:59 -0700

[top posted & max trimmed for your enjoyment]

Another reason for that is video cameras need a reference that they  
then use to adjust the rest of the colors.  Pro cameras will let you  
aim where you want and then lock it in.  Consumer cameras generally  
(at least the last I looked at) keep adjusting all the time, which  
can give some "odd" color effects if the overall lighting changes  
like on stage.

On Aug 19, 2005, at 5:53 AM, John Bracewell wrote:
> In television lighting,

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Date:	Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:24:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Low grids - was Grid System
From:	"C. Dopher" <brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
Message-ID: <BF2B71E7.1CADD%brooklyn [at] dopher.com>
In-Reply-To: <000101c5a487$f4dd6f20$6401a8c0 [at] chris>

On 8/19/05 2:33 AM, "Chris Warner" <bearz2 [at] cox.net> wrote:

> Birdies are PAR16 (can't remember the designation anymore) lighting
> fixtures that behave similar to a standard par can, but are VERY tiny.

I'd classify them first as a mini-leko, due to the focused nature of the
filament/reflector arrangement, shape of reflector, and lack of integrated
lens.  Besides... They don't do soft like you expect PAR cans to do.  In
fact, they CAN'T do soft without the heaviest GAM diffusion available.  Even
then...they're pretty much a point source.

Oh...and for "mini diorama" type sets, they make a fantastic sun/moon behind
the cyc with heavy diffusion or 1/8" milk plexi and used at low dimmer
level.

> I work in short grids all the time, 12' and 10'.  I have found that 50
> degree fixtures from about 8-10' away work surprisingly well.  Fresnels
> are your friends.  I find that in most of the spaces I work in now, I
> tend to RUN OUT of fixtures before I run out dimmers, and that's at 24
> and 30 dimmers.  Hope I was able to shed some light on the subject

Agreed.  Standards of design these days mean even small shows in small black
boxes are better lit with 100+ fixtures and most small spaces just don't
have that.  

Cris Dopher


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Bottom posting/top posting
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:34:25 -0400
Message-ID: <004801c5a4d3$7ddbd1e0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-24336639 [at] prxy.net>

> Why should I make it easy for a lazy person.

...Because you are, presumably, trying to communicate with that person.



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Message-ID: <90d9c998050819083955b64177 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:39:42 -0400
From: Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Top Posting & gmail
In-Reply-To: <list-24335072 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24329189 [at] prxy.net> <list-24329595 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-24333671 [at] prxy.net> <list-24335072 [at] prxy.net>

I've got another 50 invites as well, if anyone wants...
Scott

On 8/19/05, usctd [at] columbia.sc <usctd [at] columbia.sc> wrote:

> Had to jump on the gmail bandwagon.  Hopefully the new account will be up
> soon.  If anyone would like a gmail acount, let me know.  I have a few
> invites left.
> --
> Eric Rouse
--=20
Take care, Scott

=09Scott C. Parker
=09Professor/Technical Director
=09Dept. of Performing Arts
=09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
=09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
=09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza=20
=09New York, NY 10038
=09212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:54:39 -0500
From: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Message-ID: <296620215.20050819105439 [at] tcon.net>
Subject: Re[2]: Grid System (On behalf of Bill Sapsis) Part Two
In-Reply-To: <list-24322451 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24322451 [at] prxy.net>

Howdy !

Thursday, August 18, 2005, Jeff Drucker wrote:

> Rotolocks are a variation of casket locks. The generic casket lock
> uses a cam to snug and secure the two halves together, while the
> Simmons Rotolock uses a hook and is a stronger connection.

There are RotOlocks and there are RotAlocks.  As the French would say,
"Vive la difference!"

One of them (is it the "O" version or the "A" version?) is, as Jeff
describes, like unto a "casket latch" in that it has a hook drawn in
by a cam, and is used to lock panels together, such as using several
platform units to construct a raised stage.

The other one ("O" or "A" depending upon the answer to the
parenthetical question above) is a steel band that loops over a pipe
and admits another perpendicular pipe.  A saddle between the pipes is
tightened with a set screw to hold the pipes in place relative to each
other.

Best regards,
  Frank E. Merrill
  MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
  Indianapolis
  Established 1946
  www.merrillstage.com           mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net

   


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In-Reply-To: <list-24335853 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24333020 [at] prxy.net> <list-24335536 [at] prxy.net> <list-24335853 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <783dfaae3aa1ca8489beee1bb25c262b [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Knots?
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:04:55 -0400

>> If you could take only twenty knots with you to that mythological 
>> desert
>> island theatre,

I am going to attempt to tie as many as I can possibly remember and 
then make up as many as I can devise with rope on hand to keep myself 
occupied so I don't go crazy without my daily dose of "Stagecraft 
List".  I can't limit to 20 in this example, Sorry. ;-)


Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield HS


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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050819104517.00cd80d8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:45:17
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Top posting (was: RE: Large sigs etc.)

>Can I call a halt to this thread!  It is *this* close to becomming petty and
>childish!

Well, you can request that the thread be addressed in a less childish
manner, if you wish, but I don't think you can 'call a halt', nor should
you.  I'd like to know who prefers top posting, and who doesn't, and why.
If the majority of the list prefers that we top post, I'd suggest that we
do. Kind hard to find out the preferences if the thread goes away.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050819105114.00cd80d8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:51:14
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Top Posting

You missed my point.  I meant I would be responding to more than one thing
from one respondant, i.e., how I'm responding to this part of your e-mail

>Not if I were following the thread in order. The message you would be
>referring to would have been the last one I read on the subject.

And then this part.  Yeah, it seems that quite a few of the single message
recipients ignore entire discussions that refer to post trimming and lsit
etiquette.

>As for the digest: Sorry, I prefer to receive each email for this main
>reason... I can ignore entire discussions.

				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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From: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <e1.19dae04d.3037811f [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:38:23 EDT
Subject: fight choreographers


I'm looking for recommendations for a  fight choreographer in the NY area; 
we're about two hours north of NYC and one  hour south of Albany.  We're doing a 
production of The Lower Depths which  starts rehearsals September 3 and the 
director has asked about the  possibility.  I've never had the need for one 
before so I could use some  names and maybe some info on what I could expect to 
pay (ballpark  figures).

Any help at all would be appreciated.

Jeff  


Jeffrey Drucker
Production Manager
Bard College
phone  845-758-7956
fax 845-758-7925
email drucker [at] bard.edu  


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Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV43256250DC8298FC69754BDB50 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Occy" <OneOccy [at] hotmail.com>
Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com
References: <list-24335668 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Low grids - was Grid System
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:57:09 -0700

They Do a better job of keeping the door closed, other wise you have to trip 
over them. Sometimes they make good foot lites but that about all, but the 
effort of keeping them working normally rules that out too.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>

> > 1)  How do you use the ministrips

They're fairly useful for keeping doors open, but a little too big to use as
paperweights. 

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Message-ID: <90d9c9980508191334792fe312 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:34:34 -0400
From: Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Top Posting
In-Reply-To: <list-24338932 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24338932 [at] prxy.net>

on the contrary, Chris. Perhaps your delete key training has taken you
a bit too far. For I am one who has been very active in this
particular conversation, and, as it happens I seem to be the one
you're replying to.
Who is Isit and what do they have to say about etiquette?

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 10:51:14, CB <psyd [at] cox.net> wrote:

> And then this part.  Yeah, it seems that quite a few of the single messag=
e
> recipients ignore entire discussions that refer to post trimming and lsit
> etiquette.
>=20
> >As for the digest: Sorry, I prefer to receive each email for this main
> >reason... I can ignore entire discussions.
>=20
>                                 Chris "Chris" Babbie
>                                 Location Sound
>                                 MON AZ
>=20
> Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
> negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...
>=20


--=20
Take care, Scott

=09Scott C. Parker
=09Professor/Technical Director
=09Dept. of Performing Arts
=09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
=09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
=09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza=20
=09New York, NY 10038
=09212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: Question about obsolete Strand model numbers
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:21:29 -0400
Message-ID: <005501c5a503$fa191580$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <BAY106-DAV43256250DC8298FC69754BDB50 [at] phx.gbl>

The Strand 6x9 was model#2209, the 6x12 was model#2212, and the 6x16 was
model#2216.

Was the 4.5x6.5 model#2204? Was the 6x22 model#2222?



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Reply-To: <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
From: "RD" <doomster [at] worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: Thoughts on Knots?
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 16:24:08 -0600
In-Reply-To: <list-24337455 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000024342032 [at] prxy.net>

Contact my partner, Jay C. Stone who is a master of all types of knots and
publishes them too. Doom   jaycstone [at] comcast.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Greg Bierly
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 10:05 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Knots?

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

>> If you could take only twenty knots with you to that mythological 
>> desert
>> island theatre,

I am going to attempt to tie as many as I can possibly remember and 
then make up as many as I can devise with rope on hand to keep myself 
occupied so I don't go crazy without my daily dose of "Stagecraft 
List".  I can't limit to 20 in this example, Sorry. ;-)


Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield HS


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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 18:43:23 -0400
Subject: An incident in Winnipeg
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BF2BD8CB.1C7C%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-24342033 [at] prxy.net>

Hi folks.  I heard about an incident that happened in Winnipeg on the Mama
Mia tour and am trying to confirm the details.  A google search has produced
nothing from the news sources.  I'm not looking for info for commercial
reasons, I do not do the expert witness thing, but I may know the person
involved.  Any info would be appreciated.

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile









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Message-ID: <90d9c998050819182028bbdb7e [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:20:05 -0400
From: Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Top Posting
In-Reply-To: <list-24340915 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24338932 [at] prxy.net> <list-24340915 [at] prxy.net>

Sorry, just re-read. Isit is probobly a typo for list.=20

On 8/19/05, Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com> wrote:

> Who is Isit and what do they have to say about etiquette?
> --=20
Take care, Scott

=09Scott C. Parker
=09Professor/Technical Director
=09Dept. of Performing Arts
=09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
=09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
=09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza=20
=09New York, NY 10038
=09212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <19d.3a446d0c.3037dfcf [at] aol.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:22:23 EDT
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Knots?

Bowline ("Make a hole, little rabbit comes out  of the hole, goes around the 
tree and goes back down the  hole.")
Prusik
Belay ("In a figure eight round and round and round she  goes, flip! We're 
done.")
Figure eight 
Clove Hitch
Sheet Bend (once in  a while you get someone who calls this is a SHEEP bend)
Trucker  Hitch
Square knot - with and without a bow... tie your shoelaces. 

I  usually start with Bowed Square Knot when teaching because it gives 
confidence  of doing something you already know while introducing terms like bight, 
hitch  and bitter end. Then do plain square knot done over and over to form a 
chain so  they can see the pattern that forms and get the idea of alternating 
which side  goes "over". The Sheet Bend is just a variation. Silly sayings for 
Bowline and  Belay s above. Then do the more "advanced" ones: Clove Hitch, 
Prusik and Trucker  Hitch. I've taught these to kids as young as 7 using that 
logical  order.

Here's Mick Alderson's resource  online:
http://www.ia470.com/primer/rope.htm

I'd also suggest a basic  crochet (make a loop, reach through the loop and 
grab the rope to make another  loop while pulling the first one tight, continue 
as needed) great for storage of  block and fall/block and tackle as well as 
making "swing tacks" for sewing.  

Teaching and reviewing knots is an excellent way to spend time while  waiting 
backstage!

Kristi
IATSE 470  


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Message-Id: <p06230901bf2c38f65633 [at] [208.59.182.216]>
In-Reply-To: <list-24341449 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24341449 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:40:36 -0400
From: Jeff Gardiner <jeffg [at] erols.com>
Subject: Re: Question about obsolete Strand model numbers

Hi Jeff,

My Photometrics Handbook lists:

Strand Century 4.5x6.5 as 2204
Strand Century 6x9 as 2209
Strand Century 6x12 as 2212, 2213 (Iris)
Strand Century 6x16 as 2216, 2217 (Iris)

No listing for the 6x22

For Strand Lighting the 22xx Series were for Zoom ERS's.

Cheers,
Jeff


At 5:21 PM -0400 8/19/05, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:
>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
>---------------------------------------------------
>
>The Strand 6x9 was model#2209, the 6x12 was model#2212, and the 6x16 was
>model#2216.
>
>Was the 4.5x6.5 model#2204? Was the 6x22 model#2222?


-- 
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    Set & Lighting Designer                  Mobile: 617-416-2388
    398 Central Ave.                      Email:  jeffg [at] erols.com
    Needham, MA  02494          Web:  http://www.erols.com/jeffg/         
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Message-ID: <b7aa28010508192214771b556a [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:14:56 -0400
From: Brian Munroe <bpmunroe [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Knots?
In-Reply-To: <list-24343913 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24343913 [at] prxy.net>

On 8/19/05, MissWisc [at] aol.com <MissWisc [at] aol.com> wrote:
=20
> Bowline ("Make a hole, little rabbit comes out  of the hole, goes around =
the
> tree and goes back down the  hole.")

I thought it was the stagehand stumbles out of the bar, 'relieves
himself' around the fire hydrant, and stumbles back into the bar?

Brian Munroe
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com

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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <8c.2d68bbc1.3038194f [at] aol.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 01:27:43 EDT
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Knots?

In a message dated 8/20/2005 12:15:28 AM Central Daylight Time,  
bpmunroe [at] gmail.com writes:
<<I thought it was the stagehand stumbles  out of the bar, 'relieves himself' 
around the fire hydrant, and stumbles back  into the bar?>>
 
Gotta remember, I was teaching kids in a Catholic middle school and a  public 
K-12 schools. But I like your version a lot!!!
 
Kristi
 

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