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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #496

 1. Re: Crew needed for New York Musical Theatre Festival
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 2. Re: Thoughts on Knots?
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
 3. Re: Crew needed for New York Musical Theatre Festival
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
 4. large floppies (was Crew needed for New York Musical Theatre Festival)
    by IAEG [at] aol.com
 5. Re: large floppies (was Crew needed for New York Musical Theatre Festival)
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
 6. Re: large floppies (was Crew needed for New York Musical Theatre Festival)
    by "Simon Shuker" <simon [at] ef-ae.com>
 7. top/bottom posting
    by b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
 8. Re: top/bottom posting
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 9. Thoughts on Knots?
    by <productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org>
10. problems with my ministrips
    by "David R. Krajec" <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
11. Re: Crew needed for New York Musical Theatre Festival
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
12. Re: Fw: Guardian Unlimited: Festival diary 
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
13. Fw: Guardian Unlimited: Festival diary
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
14. Re: Fw: Guardian Unlimited: Festival diary 
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
15. Re: Tornados in Wisc.
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
16. Re: Mac 500E not firing
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
17. Re: Bottom posting/top posting
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
18. Re: Top posting (was: RE: Large sigs etc.)
    by "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
19. Re: Top posting (was: RE: Large sigs etc.)
    by "Jerry Durand" <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Crew needed for New York Musical Theatre Festival
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:54:53 -0400
Message-ID: <010401c5a64f$89a97ae0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
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=20
> Let it be known far and wide that I find the Microvision and=20
> it's big brother the FX to be an incredibly useful console in=20
> many venues that I work in.

I'm the first to admit that the uVision and FX are better than a 2-scene
preset, and I also appreciate the small footprint.  The marble wheel is =
a
lot classier, and easier to use, than the track pads on the Express =
series.

...And I absolutely don't believe that "old" =3D "bad".

However, I live in fear of a Microvision monitor crashing on me right =
before
tech rehearsal, the "effects" are laughable, and the offline editor is a
pain in the butt.

I do have about 50 brand new double-density disks, though....

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Jeffrey E. Salzberg,
Lighting Designer
http://www.jeffsalzberg.com=20

" Jeffrey E. Salzberg's flashy lighting is somewhat distracting, but =
that's
a relief in this musical."



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Message-ID: <b7318c480508210902546d18ce [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:02:50 -0400
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Cc: jerrydougherty [at] earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Thoughts on Knots?
In-Reply-To: <list-24352950 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24348131 [at] prxy.net> <list-24352950 [at] prxy.net>

Jerry Dougherty had a wonderful post on this subject (it was long so I
will not quote) it, but I must diagree with one statement Jerry made:

 > - It's not tied until it has a backup.

I find that very few useful knots (if used for appropriate tasks) need
backing up:
When a bowline is used for arena rigging, it should not be "backed up"
(unless you really want to make your top rigger angry)
Sliped knots (a bow for example) should not need to be "backed up"
Knots tied on a bight should not need to be "backed up"
Sliding knots (taught line, adjustable gip hitch) should not need to
be "backed up"
Many bends (butterfly, Zepplin, riggers, double dragon, etc.) should
not need to be "backed up"
Timber hitches should not need to be "backed up"
Lots of anglers' knots should not need to be "backed up"
I could go on, but I think I made my point.

A few knots are so non-secure that they do need backing up (however,
there are alternatives to these knots that don't require backing up):
A square knot should be backed up in many situations, but even Jerry
acknowleges that this is not a useful rigging knot.
A clove hitch is another insecure knot that needs backing up, usually
with a couple of half-hitches (but a snuggle hitch is very similar to
a clove hitch, but but does not need backing up)

A "Yosemite safety" is an additional wrap and tuck that can be added
to several types of bowlines to provide additional security.  This
"safety" become part of the knot itself (sometimes this knot is called
a "Yosemite Bowline" when this safety is added to a standard bowline)
and is not a seperate back up knot.  I often use a Yosemite safety
when the bowline must remain in place for a long period of time.

Jerry - I really like the fact that you are concerned with the
efficiency of knots, am am too.  The sheet bend is a great bend
because it works well with ropes of different sizes.  Very few bends
do this well.  But, you are correct it pointing out its low
efficiency.  The double dragon bend (there is also a double dragon
loop) is a new knot that works well with ropes of different diameters
and has a high efficiency rating (around 75-80% I think).  You can
find out more about the double dragon bend at
http://www.layhands.com/Knots/Knots_Bends.htm

-Delbert

--=20
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions
Phone: 714-585-7070

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Message-Id: <259232F1-623A-4AE9-B69F-CEB3A9E9B10B [at] interstellar.com>
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Crew needed for New York Musical Theatre Festival
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:03:35 -0700


On Aug 21, 2005, at 5:54 AM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:

> I do have about 50 brand new double-density disks, though....
>

Mentioning disks, I just purchased some new development software (non- 
theatre) and it came with a copy-protected security floppy that keeps  
track of the number of installs you've done.  I haven't seen that in  
a LONG time...and my laptop doesn't have a floppy drive.  I didn't  
think anyone used these anymore.

I also remember the 8" floppy disks with the 120V AC motor (they  
turned all the time, like a hard disk).  For a comparison, the latest  
hard disks are "the size of a postage stamp", draw a fraction of a  
watt, and hold 4G.



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From: IAEG [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <19f.3a48babe.303a00bf [at] aol.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:07:27 EDT
Subject: large floppies (was Crew needed for New York Musical Theatre Festival)


In a message dated 8/21/05 12:04:19 PM, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes:

<< I also remember the 8" floppy disks with the 120V AC motor (they  
turned all the time, like a hard disk).  For a comparison, the latest  
hard disks are "the size of a postage stamp", draw a fraction of a  
watt, and hold 4G. >>

I recall peeking into the light booth at Royal Opera House Covent Garden 
BEFORE THE renovation, , and the lighting desk ( Strand or Skirpan, , I don't 
recall ) used the BIG 8" disks for show memory, 

so glad THOSE days are long gone, , , 

ooo, , , just saw the new subject line, , sorry that sounds sexist, , ,   not 
my intent, , 


very best,

Keith Arsenault

IAEG -  International Arts & Entertainment Group 
Tampa, Florida

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From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-24365162 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: large floppies (was Crew needed for New York Musical Theatre Festival)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:14:20 -0700

> ooo, , , just saw the new subject line, , sorry that sounds sexist, , , 
> not
> my intent, ,
>


Oh, I don't know if it's sexist... both men and women can have large 
floppies.....

 - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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From: "Simon Shuker" <simon [at] ef-ae.com>
Subject: RE: large floppies (was Crew needed for New York Musical Theatre Festival)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:21:09 +0400
In-Reply-To: <list-24365162 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <20050821162206.8203957DC [at] mail05.powweb.com>

Our first computer for the business had them (about 1982) 

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In a message dated 8/21/05 12:04:19 PM, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes:

<< I also remember the 8" floppy disks with the 120V AC motor (they turned
all the time, like a hard disk).  For a comparison, the latest hard disks
are "the size of a postage stamp", draw a fraction of a watt, and hold 4G.
>>

I recall peeking into the light booth at Royal Opera House Covent Garden
BEFORE THE renovation, , and the lighting desk ( Strand or Skirpan, , I
don't recall ) used the BIG 8" disks for show memory, 

so glad THOSE days are long gone, , , 

ooo, , , just saw the new subject line, , sorry that sounds sexist, , ,
not 
my intent, , 


very best,

Keith Arsenault

IAEG -  International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida



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Message-ID: <20050821164129.53375.qmail [at] web50609.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:41:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: b Ricie <b_ricie [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: top/bottom posting
In-Reply-To: <list-24361332 [at] prxy.net>

>>>Why should I make it easy for a lazy person. I
>am sure no one is going to make anything easy for me.
                ***********************
This is the attitude of someone that posts here and
works in theatre?  
I
thought that was only 'outside'...<<
            ****************************
Chris, You must have been in the bar while the POINT
was in the bathroom, cause ya totally missed it. You
also trimmed out the part about FREE WILL and CHOICE.
Only I can make ME read something, so if someone reads
something and feels it was a wast of time, then they
only have them self to blame. 
I meant what I said, I am not going to make it easy
for the lazy person. I want nothing to do with lazy
people. I have lost jobs because I was not willing to
be lazy, because I would not accept the status Quo'. I
was told by that person that though I was the most
qualified person for the job, "it sounded like I would
make more work for them, and that scared them, they
just could not handle that." I am glad I did not get
that job, I am not lazy, nor do I want to be,even if
your gonna give me a nice salary with benefits.
If you feel there are too many words in the lexicon,
well I disagree. If you feel it is OK to park in the
fire lane cause your just gonna run in for a moment,
well I disagree. If you feel turning a scroll wheel on
a mouse is too much work, well I disagree.
ETC.ETC.ETC. 
I too read the digest version every morning with my
coffee, and I love it. Context is important to me, and
I prefer the question/answer format. I too, find this
thread funny as it really makes no diffrence to the
digesters. I think I saw a stat that said 60 precent
of the list was digesters. That leaves 40 percent who
want it their way,and they can have it their way, but
they have to do the work on their own.
It is not complacency that bothers me, it is society's
willingness to suck that bothers me.

Brian Rice 
508-685-0716
b_ricie [at] yahoo.com
"Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the 
light."

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: top/bottom posting
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:54:14 -0400
Message-ID: <013001c5a670$f92fe220$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-reply-to: <list-24365502 [at] prxy.net>



> Only I can make ME read something, so if someone reads 
> something and feels it was a waste of time, then they only 
> have them self to blame. 

Just out of curiosity, how do you *know* if something's worth reading until
after you've read it?



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Message-ID: <000201c5a675$23ad94d0$0500a8c0 [at] lpt>
From: <productionmanager [at] minnesotaballet.org>
References: <list-24361332 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Thoughts on Knots?
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:24:06 -0500
Organization: Minnesota Ballet

<four truckers hitches, five bowlines, six square knots, four clove hitches 
and a monkey's fist.>

Shouldn't that have read (or rather sung)as:

Six Square knots.......f..i..v..e......Bow...lines
Four clove hitches, three Butterflys, two Barrel knots, and a monkey 
swinging from a tree.

Ken




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Reply-To: <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
From: "David R. Krajec" <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
Subject: problems with my ministrips
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:53:58 -0500
Message-ID: <JKEMJFLLJELICALBEPDPMEOGCIAA.drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-24361332 [at] prxy.net>

With may relatively knew facility (1997) came 4 ministrip units.  They take
the MR16 lamp.
The problem - I am not getting good life out of the lamps.  Not from
filament failure.  The quartz is cracking and breaking.  The cracks seem to
come from the base.  I have often had to use pliers to pull the pins from
the base because all of the quartz just came out in my hand.  If I use these
fixtures in a two week show run, I'll lose about a dozen lamps.  This seems
to be inordinate.

Another issue I am having is how the lamp seats in the fixture.  At the rear
of the slot where the lamp goes is a piece of metal that is at the exact
height of the lamp base.  So when you slide the lamp into the fixture, the
lamp base has to either go below or above the piece of metal.  This might be
placing undo stress on the lamp causing the above failure.

Any ideas/suggestions?

David K.



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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050821131612.00cde2e0 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:16:12
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Crew needed for New York Musical Theatre Festival

>How 'bout calling the IA Local 1 hiring hall ?. 
>I know that the first thought you're going to have is "Opens up a can of 
>worms", the management won't go for it", yada, yada, but the reality is that 
>our experience was that Local 1 is very understanding and cooperative 

>> Potential crew members must be able to work the full day 8am-midnight 

I think this may be the issue.  OTOH, if the local can provide two sets of
guys, you could have a set of fresh for the second 'day' at the same rate.
I'd even go squint for Herrick if I weren't on the road.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <a9.7a01c747.303a3f29 [at] aol.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:33:45 EDT
Subject: Re: Fw: Guardian Unlimited: Festival diary 

In a message dated 8/20/2005 8:24:09 PM Central Daylight Time,  
stuart [at] thedevilyouknow.ca writes:
<<Being on stage is a very sexy thing  (unless you're a technician walking 
across the stage, and then it isn't sexy  at all). >>

Depends on the technician.  I met my husband when he was  doing exactly that. 
;)
 
Kristi
 

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050821132522.00cde2e0 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:25:22
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Fw: Guardian Unlimited: Festival diary

>Foremost of all these rules is 
>that no actor will ever sleep with a technician. That is the one act of 
>unspeakable sexual depravity that no actor will ever countenance.

I think that that may be one of the attractions for some of the actors I've
met.  OTOH, techs tend not to sleep with actors because, well, without a
script they tend to be rather boring...
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050821133650.029c3828 [at] 192.168.0.13>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:37:45 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: Guardian Unlimited: Festival diary 
In-Reply-To: <list-24367714 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24367714 [at] prxy.net>

At 01:33 PM 8/21/2005, you wrote:
>Depends on the technician.  I met my husband when he was  doing exactly that.
>;)


My wife was the TD.  She wasn't walking across the stage at the time, 
but we still got married 4 months later.  :)


-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c0.2f1d56e5.303a43d5 [at] aol.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 16:53:41 EDT
Subject: RE: Tornados in Wisc.

We are all fine.

Was visiting  friends in Sun Prarie about 20 miles north of Stoughton, 10 NE 
of Madison.  Stoughton got the brunt of it. My Dad's a ham radio operator who 
does a lot with  emergency traffic/weather spotting, so I know what to look 
for. Got a lot of  rain and some high winds, but nothing too serious where we 
were.

My son  and their daughter walked down the block to see the "Corn Fest 
Parade" about 5  minutes before the rains hit and the civil defense horns went off. 
Parade was  cancelled just as it was starting. Took about 15 minutes for them 
to walk the  block back home - totally drenched even with stopping under 
awnings and  neighbor's porches - but safe! Got them dried off and headed over to 
Milwaukee  to meet up with Brian who was working at Miller Park. 
I'm deeply touched  that you were thinking of me. Thanks for the concern!

Kristi  


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From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Mac 500E not firing
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:45:34 +0100
Message-ID: <ODEMKLAMIBKNHPJLNKDPOECCDAAA.deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-24257490 [at] prxy.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of wyn
> Sent: 17 August 2005 21:25
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Mac 500E not firing
>
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> It's time to tap the knowledge of the list .I have three Mac500E
> fixtures that do not strike the lamp ,the firing card tries to strike
> but it seems that the firing card does't have enough juice to fire the
> lamp.I replaced the lamp in one fixture and it fired up fine but when i
> tried to fire it up the next day on the same power source it failed to
> strike,I also changed the tap thinking that my power source was not up
> to voltage but there was no change.
> Is there an adjustment on the firing card or do i just need to replace
> the card.These fixtures are very low hours (less than lamp life) but 3
> to 4 years old
>

Dumb questions out of the way first....
a) have you used these successfully already, or are they newly acquired?
(new or s/h?)

b) Are you sending them the right strike-up DMX request? I occasionally hire
in 500's, and have to remind myself on the correct way to fire 'em up each
time!!

TD



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From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Bottom posting/top posting
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:02:36 +0100
Message-ID: <ODEMKLAMIBKNHPJLNKDPEECDDAAA.deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-24336639 [at] prxy.net>

Top AND bottom posted for clarity 8-))

But it's usually FW who either snips all or nothing, confusing the bejeebers
out of everyone!!

> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Bottom Posting / Top posting...how about free will and
> choice. Why should I make it easy for a lazy person. I
> am sure no one is going to make anything easy for me.
> Can we all try to remember it is only YOU who makes
> YOU read the stuff.
>
> Brian Rice


But it's usually FW who either snips all or nothing, confusing the bejeebers
out of everyone!!



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From: "Tony Deeming" <deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
Subject: RE: Top posting (was: RE: Large sigs etc.)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:06:26 +0100
Message-ID: <ODEMKLAMIBKNHPJLNKDPKECDDAAA.deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-24338838 [at] prxy.net>

> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> >Can I call a halt to this thread!  It is *this* close to
> becomming petty and
> >childish!
>
> Well, you can request that the thread be addressed in a less childish
> manner, if you wish, but I don't think you can 'call a halt', nor should
> you.  I'd like to know who prefers top posting, and who doesn't, and why.
> If the majority of the list prefers that we top post, I'd suggest that we
> do. Kind hard to find out the preferences if the thread goes away.
> 				Chris "Chris" Babbie


Personally, I prefer top posts for reasons already given by some, though can
certainly see the benefits of bottom posting in some instances. As a
newsgroup tends to be more conversational, oft-times the last comment is the
one you read first, and if you're following a thread, all it should take is
a quick scroll down for a reference point. However, that doesn't help when
the reply is referring to multiple parts, in which case the bottom post
option is the only way to go.

e-mail is of course entirely different, IMHO, as it tends to e more formal
than a news group environment.

TD



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Message-ID: <1791.192.168.0.100.1124669647.squirrel [at] gandalf>
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References: <list-24338838 [at] prxy.net> <list-24369542 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 17:14:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Top posting (was: RE: Large sigs etc.)
From: "Jerry Durand" <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>

On Sun, August 21, 2005 4:06 pm, Tony Deeming wrote:
>> e-mail is of course entirely different, IMHO, as it tends to e more fo=
rmal
> than a news group environment.

A problem I run into with e-mail (and faxes and letters) it the recipient
reads/answers the first question and doesn't notice the other 10 question=
s
below that one.  I've taken to one question per e-mail/fax, especially
with certain clients.  It's the same with payments, ONE payment per
envelope or they'll lose one or more of them or credit them all to the
first account they come to.  Even at banks I've had the teller open all
the deposit envelopes I give them, dump everything in a pile, pick up one
envelope and start to put it all in that account.




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End of Stagecraft Digest #496
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