Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24411503; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 03:00:57 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #498 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 03:00:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #498 1. Re: Top posting (was: RE: Large sigs etc.) by "C. Dopher" 2. Re: Top posting (was: RE: Large sigs etc.) by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 3. Safety signage sources by "Paul Schreiner" 4. Priming & fitting a groundcloth by Shelly A Ford 5. Re: Priming & fitting a groundcloth by Steve Larson 6. Re: Priming & fitting a groundcloth (longish) by "Stephen E. Rees" 7. Re: from the ap -- concert incident by CB 8. Re: from the ap -- concert incident by IAEG [at] aol.com 9. Re: from the ap -- concert incident by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 10. Re: from the ap -- concert incident by Bill Sapsis 11. Re: from the ap -- concert incident by "Davis, Thomas J" 12. Re: from the ap -- concert incident by Greg Bierly 13. Long time no post by "tomhull [at] mac.com" 14. Re: from the ap -- concert incident by MissWisc [at] aol.com 15. Re: from the ap -- concert incident by MissWisc [at] aol.com 16. Re: from the ap -- concert incident by Wood Chip-P26398 17. Re: from the ap -- concert incident by Bill Sapsis 18. Drafting cable by "Diana Kesselschmidt" 19. Receipts vs. statements? by Mike Voytko 20. Re: from the ap -- concert incident by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 21. Linux vs Microsoft and Apple by "Michael S. Eddy" 22. Re: Receipts vs. statements? by Bill Sapsis 23. Re: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple by Charlie Richmond 24. Re: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple by "Michael S. Eddy" 25. Re: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple by "Chris Warner" 26. Re: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple by Charlie Richmond 27. Theatre Scenery Specialist (scene shop supervisor) needed by Linda Essig 28. Re: Receipts vs. statements? by Delbert Hall 29. Re: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple by Erwin Rol 30. Re: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple by Jerry Durand 31. Re: from the ap -- concert incident by Dale Farmer 32. Re: Receipts vs. statements? by "James, Brian" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:31:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Top posting (was: RE: Large sigs etc.) From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4309D60D.6070701 [at] hillinteractive.net> On 8/22/05 9:41 AM, "Howard Ires" wrote: > Jerry Durand wrote: >> I've taken to one question per e-mail/fax, especially >> with certain clients. > > I have been noticing this for years now. The emails that get acted on > first require doing one simple thing. The emails that request 10 things > often get put aside to do 'later'. I guess most people like to do the > easy stuff first. Personally, I hate that method. It simply comes across as a sender who's got the attention span of a flea, or who asssumes my attention span is short. Until and unless a communications snafu requires resorting to this style of email communications, it's an insult to both of our intelligences. Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Top posting (was: RE: Large sigs etc.) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:38:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c5a7df$96793a80$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Personally, I hate that method. It simply comes across as a > sender who's got the attention span of a flea, or who > asssumes my attention span is short. Well, actually, I *do* have a rather short attention span. It's not an insult; it's merely a trait, like being bald, or being devilishly attractive, both of which *also* apply to me. Furthermore, I...uh...what were we talking about? ------------------------------ Subject: Safety signage sources Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:26:17 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C8C5 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Does anyone know if there are any ANSI-approved graphics for safety signage that are in the public domain? If so, could someone point me to where I might be able to find some downloadable ones on the web so we can do some stuff in-house? Much obliged... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <6169966.1124819940720.JavaMail.sford4 [at] aug.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:59:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Shelly A Ford Subject: Priming & fitting a groundcloth I've painted an old groundcloth before, but I have never started from scratch with one, as I will be doing for my upcoming show. First I plan to sew three pieces of heavy weight fabric together to make a piece 27' wide x 22'6" deep, well in excess of the finished trapezoid that will be 20' deep, 18 feet at narrow end and 25 feet at wide end. From there I'm not sure how to proceed. Should I begin with a flexible primer, maybe a latex interior diluted and mixed with Rosco clear-coat? I definitely want to effectively size and prime the cloth so that when I begin the final paint treatment I know it will not shrink or stretch anymore. Should I cut the cloth to fit the stage before or after the final paint? Also, should I try to hem the edges, or is there another suggestion for a finished edge? Thanks, Shelly Ford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:25:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Priming & fitting a groundcloth From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Haven't used the clear coat on the primer step in the past. I would, though, hem all the edges. It provides an extra layer of cloth when fastening the cloth down. Years ago we tacked it down with upholstery tacks. Haven't used a ground cloth since, mainly because I almost always use a painted floor. Let us all know what you decide on the primer and how it works. Steve > From: Shelly A Ford > Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:59:00 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Priming & fitting a groundcloth >> From there I'm not sure how to proceed. Should I begin with a flexible > primer, maybe a latex interior diluted and mixed with Rosco clear-coat? > I definitely want to effectively size and prime the cloth so that when > I begin the final paint treatment I know it will not shrink or stretch > anymore. Should I cut the cloth to fit the stage before or after the > final paint? Also, should I try to hem the edges, or is there another > suggestion for a finished edge? > Thanks, > Shelly Ford > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <430B6FD2.8020104 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:49:54 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Priming & fitting a groundcloth (longish) References: Shelly, Fabricate the piece with the seams running across the stage. I'd suggest scenery duck for this. If you are using full width goods, you can lap the selvage edge of the DS piece on top of the selvage edge of the piece immediately upstage of it and then stitch at least two rows of stitching. Lapping good this way will prevent the seam from being seen from the audience. Lapped the other way, an edge will be apparent and difficult to hide. First, lay the cloth out and smooth out the wrinkles. Don't pull it too taut. Staple or tack to the floor in such a fashion that the fasteners can be removed fairly easily. You may want to lay out Bogus Paper on top of polyethylene sheet first. The bogus paper absorbs excess liquid and the p/e sheet protects the deck. The size (first coat) will shrink the goods reasonably taut and fill the weave of the fabric. This will keep subsequent coats from striking into fabric. Shelly A Ford wrote: >>From there I'm not sure how to proceed. I'd recommend a vinyl acrylic (latex) paint that is close to the base coat color and will be flexible. It could even be boxed together from left over paint if necessary. You could thin it a little but not much more that 4:1 paint to water. Unless the piece has to tour, I would not put alot of costly materials into the primer. Let it dry. Mark out the area that you need to actually have visible and then paint beyond those lines to be sure you have enough material to actually fit the space you need. Leave the goods oversized all the way through the finish coat. (I skipped the whole painting, texturing, detailing process here. :) ) At that point, you can do one of two things. If the goods don't tour and are a one time use, install the piece in place and trim the edges to fit. Staple down a necessary. If the goods tour, relocate the finished size and then trim about 2" to 3" outside the lines. Turn this excess under and adhere with Jaxsan or flexible glue or the like. I would not bother trying to actually stitch this hem. The machine will hate it. This will give you finished edge that can be taped or tacked to the deck at each install on the tour. If you are using a lighter weight fabric, you may want to turn the hem under twice to get some strength in the hem. Be aware that there will always be a bit of give or stretch in the goods based on humidity of the venue. Taut stretching during install will keep stretch to a minimum. Others will have variations on this process. Use the techniques that match your skills and needs. HTH,Best, Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia Shelly A Ford wrote: >>From there I'm not sure how to proceed. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050823115322.00cdee18 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:53:22 From: CB Subject: Re: from the ap -- concert incident >Ah, the good old days. A little rock n roll, a few chemicals and almost >anything is possible. >"Did I do stuff like that? " Anyone who remembers the sixties wasn't really there... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1f9.107749ca.303ccec7 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:11:03 EDT Subject: Re: from the ap -- concert incident In a message dated 8/23/05 3:06:15 PM, psyd [at] cox.net writes: << Anyone who remembers the sixties wasn't really there... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ >> I played Rock and Roll in almost every sleazy bar in the southeast in 73 and 74, , unfortunately I remember all of it very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: from the ap -- concert incident Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:27:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c5a818$b657dc60$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > >"Did I do stuff like that? " > > Anyone who remembers the sixties wasn't really there... I was there and I have the police reports to prove it.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:44:13 -0400 Subject: Re: from the ap -- concert incident From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: In the 70's, the Rev. Berrigan bros. broke into the Media, PA draft office, grabbed the personal files of all those the FBI were watching in those days, and then sent those files to the individuals involved. I got mine. Scared me half to death so I burned it. Wishing I hadn't now. Would have been a great souvenir of the era. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile On 8/23/05 3:27 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > I was there and I have the police reports to prove it.... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: from the ap -- concert incident Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:08:42 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A9229 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sapsis --------------------------------------------------- In the 70's, the Rev. Berrigan bros. broke into the Media, PA draft office, grabbed the personal files of all those the FBI were watching in those days, and then sent those files to the individuals involved. I got mine. Scared me half to death so I burned it. Wishing I hadn't now. Would have been a great souvenir of the era. Bill S. Don't worry Bill, the FBI kept a copy for posterity. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: from the ap -- concert incident Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:12:43 -0400 > Don't worry Bill, the FBI kept a copy for posterity. Yet they still gave him clearance to the hang the wreath on the White House.... Mmm.... Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <2948BADE-EE2A-4067-9AD7-CC0405D1B6E6 [at] mac.com> From: "tomhull [at] mac.com" Subject: Long time no post Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:17:30 -0500 De-activate lurker/worker mode.... Looking to find a suitable paint for a large mural on marley dance flooring. Can any of you suggest a good paint that will withstand a dance performance and about a month of foot traffic? Vinyl paints... Hmm, Don't think they have that at the Home Depot but I could be wrong. Just searching for some solutions...Thanks in advance. Regards, Tom Hull ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <97.6620d088.303cde88 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:18:16 EDT Subject: Re: from the ap -- concert incident >> Anyone who remembers the sixties wasn't really there... > I was there and I have the police reports to prove it.... I was there and I have a birth certificate. That count? I don't remember much, just lots of violence on TV... body counts from the war in Vietnam and riots at home. My darker skinned friends tell me that in most places there is still a huge divide between black and white. I'd like to think that in some small way I'm helping to fix that. Kristi ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1fe.86e5b8a.303cdfcc [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:23:40 EDT Subject: Re: from the ap -- concert incident In a message dated 8/23/2005 2:45:00 PM Central Daylight Time, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: <> Must not have been that bad. You've worked at the White House. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2E3198416D5E7A4FB3FEC7E6838FE36B059B1B [at] ct11exm60.ds.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: from the ap -- concert incident Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:36:56 -0700 Heck, so does Bush and his younger days were apparently none too clear. Chip On Behalf Of MissWisc [at] aol.com bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: <> Must not have been that bad. You've worked at the White House. Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:27:42 -0400 Subject: Re: from the ap -- concert incident From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Ya know, I asked about it the first time I went there. I got a look from the Secret Service guy that all but said.."I can't believe you just asked me that." He did finally answer me and it was pretty much that they didn't care about that sort of thing anymore. They knew about it, that much was obvious, but they had moved on to other worries. I guess they figured a pacifist in their midst wasn't the worst thing in the world. Nowadays....I'm not so sure. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile On 8/23/05 4:23 PM, "MissWisc [at] aol.com" wrote: > Must not have been that bad. You've worked at the White House. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <34726.24.190.138.147.1124832747.squirrel [at] webmail.logicworks.net> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Drafting cable From: "Diana Kesselschmidt" Reply-To: dk [at] dianak.com -- Diana Kesselschmidt 516-643-3185 DianaK.com ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: Stagecraft Digest #497 From: "Diana Kesselschmidt" Date: Tue, August 23, 2005 5:26 pm To: "Stagecraft" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Herrick, I'm with Samuel Jones on this one. Or you could consider having your regular assistant do it for you :) D -- Diana Kesselschmidt 516-643-3185 DianaK.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: Mike Voytko Subject: Receipts vs. statements? Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:29:02 -0400 Hi all, Quick question to those who use your own credit card to make job-related purchases for later reimbursement: Does your company finance office generally require you to submit receipts, or are highlighted/annotated copies of your credit card statement sufficient proof of purchase? I'm trying to get reimbursed by a company I worked with a while back... After offering a variety of other weak excuses, their latest line is that the statement copies I submitted aren't acceptable. I'm sure what's acceptable varies depending on the company, but since I've never had trouble submitting a statement before, I'm curious to see how common it is (or not). Please reply off-list. TIA, Mike V. Mike Voytko Lighting & Sound Supervisor TSOA Theatrical Production New York University ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: from the ap -- concert incident Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:30:27 -0400 Message-ID: <001601c5a829$e458af70$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I guess they figured a pacifist in their midst wasn't the > worst thing in the world. They might've just wanted to keep you close so as to watch you more easily. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:01:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: Someone recently raised the question of whether theatre companies are switching to Linux from Microsoft and /or Apple. This person mentioned that there is value in theatres using Linux-based systems because of all the viruses shutting down entire companies. In starting to dig, it seems that many theatres have a built-in preference for Windows because Microsoft gives them a decent not-for-profit discount. But what about the cost and hassle when Windows freezes, crashes, and can't keep out basic viruses. My question to the group at large is -- what are theatre companies running these days Microsoft, Apple, or Linux? What are the upsides of free (or low-cost) software? What are the downsides? If there is a story here, your answers and thoughts may be used as a part of an article in an industry magazine. (With your permission of course!) Thanks in advance for your time and responses. Michael S. Eddy Eddy Marketing & Consulting mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:06:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Receipts vs. statements? From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Actually, I require both statements & receipts. Not only do I need to make sure I am reimbursing someone properly, but I also need to track the charges on a per job basis. The receipts get you paid, the form lets accounting assign the money properly. But in your case the company should have told you up front what they require and then stuck to that policy. They can't change styles in mid-stream without clearing it with their employees. (well, I suppose they could, but it wouldn't be right) Zat help? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile On 8/23/05 5:29 PM, "Mike Voytko" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all, > > Quick question to those who use your own credit card to make > job-related purchases for later reimbursement: Does your company > finance office generally require you to submit receipts, or are > highlighted/annotated copies of your credit card statement sufficient > proof of purchase? > > I'm trying to get reimbursed by a company I worked with a while back... > After offering a variety of other weak excuses, their latest line is > that the statement copies I submitted aren't acceptable. > > I'm sure what's acceptable varies depending on the company, but since > I've never had trouble submitting a statement before, I'm curious to > see how common it is (or not). Please reply off-list. > > TIA, > Mike V. > > Mike Voytko > Lighting & Sound Supervisor > TSOA Theatrical Production > New York University > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:10:52 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Michael S. Eddy wrote: > Someone recently raised the question of whether theatre companies are > switching to Linux from Microsoft and /or Apple. This person mentioned that For what purpose? For accounting? For box office? Lighting? Sound? Show Control? Rigging? Video/pyro/lasers? Inventory? > there is value in theatres using Linux-based systems because of all the > viruses shutting down entire companies. > > In starting to dig, it seems that many theatres have a built-in preference > for Windows because Microsoft gives them a decent not-for-profit discount. More likely they have a built in preference for whatever OS the software they are interested in runs on... ;-) > But what about the cost and hassle when Windows freezes, crashes, and can't > keep out basic viruses. And this is definitely a major reason Linux and Mac are gaining ground -- but really just in the mainstream applications since most theatrical software is very specialised and gets written for a specific OS right from the start. IMHO it's unlikely a theatre company will change OS for any particular application just because the OS is perceived to be better. They will change if the software they really like is written for a different OS..... > My question to the group at large is -- what are theatre companies running > these days Microsoft, Apple, or Linux? > > What are the upsides of free (or low-cost) software? > What are the downsides? > > If there is a story here, your answers and thoughts may be used as a part of > an article in an industry magazine. (With your permission of course!) > > Thanks in advance for your time and responses. > > Michael S. Eddy > Eddy Marketing & Consulting > mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com > > -- + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" + + Show Control List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/sclist.html + + AudioBox List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/ablist.html + "Let distribution undo excess - And each man have enough" - King Lear ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: RE: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:25:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Charlie Richmond wisely wrote: > > Someone recently raised the question of whether theatre companies are > > switching to Linux from Microsoft and /or Apple. This person mentioned that > > For what purpose? For accounting? For box office? Lighting? Sound? Show > Control? Rigging? Video/pyro/lasers? Inventory? > > there is value in theatres using Linux-based systems because of all the > > viruses shutting down entire companies. > > > > In starting to dig, it seems that many theatres have a built-in preference > > for Windows because Microsoft gives them a decent not-for-profit discount. > > More likely they have a built in preference for whatever OS the software they > are interested in runs on... ;-) > > > But what about the cost and hassle when Windows freezes, crashes, and can't > > keep out basic viruses. > > And this is definitely a major reason Linux and Mac are gaining ground -- but > really just in the mainstream applications since most theatrical software is > very specialised and gets written for a specific OS right from the start. IMHO > it's unlikely a theatre company will change OS for any particular application > just because the OS is perceived to be better. They will change if the software > they really like is written for a different OS..... > My mistake, I should have been clearer, I am looking at the business side of theatre companies, accounting, box office, etc. This would be server-based OS. Is there a value to switching out legacy systems to Linux? Are there technical software (Lighting, Sound, Show Control, Rigging, Video/pyro/lasers) being written for Linux yet? My questions to the group at large is -- What are theatre companies running these days Microsoft, Apple, or Linux? What are the upsides of free (or low-cost) software? What are the downsides? > > If there is a story here, your answers and thoughts may be used as a part of > > an article in an industry magazine. (With your permission of course!) > > Thanks in advance for your time and responses. Michael S. Eddy Eddy Marketing & Consulting mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Chris Warner" Cc: mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com Subject: RE: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:41:30 -0700 Message-ID: <004901c5a833$cdf151b0$6401a8c0 [at] chris> In-Reply-To: Michael S. Eddy Wrote My mistake, I should have been clearer, I am looking at the business side of theatre companies, accounting, box office, etc. This would be server-based OS. Is there a value to switching out legacy systems to Linux? Are there technical software (Lighting, Sound, Show Control, Rigging, Video/pyro/lasers) being written for Linux yet? My questions to the group at large is -- What are theatre companies running these days Microsoft, Apple, or Linux? What are the upsides of free (or low-cost) software? What are the downsides? Chris Warner Writes: Well, I think that depends on what applications they are running. You can certainly get all the work done in a Linux environment, the risk is that with open source software is that somebody gets the project working, then development support falls off and nothing happens with the project. I haven't seen anything written either through Freshmeat or sourceforge, but I am sure they are out there. The biggest issue with the OS debate is that software developers are going to develop an application for a platform that is going to get them the biggest market share. Admit it or not, Microsoft has the lion share of the market in OS and low/mid level business servers. So what can we learn from this, theatres run what fits there needs best, unfortunetly or fortunetly that's Microsoft Windows. I was hopeful when the monopoly proceedings began against Microsoft, unfortunately Microsoft is wealthy enough to keep they're monopoly but what we will soon see, is that unless it says Microsoft, you wont be doing much. Speaking of this anyone read the Microsoft EULA? Chris -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 8/22/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.14/79 - Release Date: 8/22/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:46:54 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Cc: mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com Subject: Re: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Michael S. Eddy wrote: > Are there technical software (Lighting, Sound, Show Control, Rigging, > Video/pyro/lasers) being written for Linux yet? Not that I know of but it will be enlightening to find out if anyone else knows of such.... So I would appreciate having anyone who knows about this post to the list and apologies for the bandwidth (if there is any ;-) Cheers, Charlie -- + Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond + + http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" + ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:11:01 -0700 From: Linda Essig Subject: Theatre Scenery Specialist (scene shop supervisor) needed Message-id: <66C9F437CFECB443816F5387EBFC279F227EE5 [at] EX01.asurite.ad.asu.edu> The following position in the Arizona State University Department of = Theatre is posted on the www.jobsatasu.com Theatre Scenery Specialist performs a variety of duties including: = Provide technical support for production and/or special events, = construction of stage scenery and supervise work of students who assist = with the technical aspects of a performance. Organize and maintain scene = shop facility. Work collaboratively with faculty technical director on = management of all scenic operations. May be lifting items weighting up = to 50 pounds. =A0=20 Minimum Qualifications: Bachelor's degree in Technical Theater or = related field; OR, Four years directly related experience. OR, any = equivalent combination of education and/or experience from which = comparable knowledge, skills and abilities have been achieved. =20 Possession of a current Arizona Type D driver's license is required upon = employment. =A0=20 Desired Qualifications: Demonstrated experience in construction of = theatrical scenery. Demonstrated evidence in supervising and = coordinating the work of others. Demonstrated evidence in the use of = hand tools and power tools. Demonstrated evidence in carpentry, welding = and construction techniques for building theatrical sets. Demonstrated = verbal and communication skills. Demonstrated knowledge of shop safety = and MSDS procedures. =A0=20 General Information: This is a full time, on going, Ten-month position = annualized to 83% FTE =A0=20 Background check Statement: ASU conducts pre-employment screening for = all positions which includes a criminal background check, verification = of work history, academic credentials, licenses, and certifications. =A0 = Instructions for Applying [all applications must be submitted on line at = www.jobsatasu.com]Complete short application and attach cover letter, = resume, and names, addresses and phone numbers of three professional = references. Cover letter, resume, and reference list must be attached as = three separate documents.=20 Application deadline is 11:59pm MST on the day indicated. Only = electronic applications are accepted for this position. If you need = assistance applying for this job, please contact our customer service = center at 480-965-2701, or email askhr [at] asu.edu. =A0=20 Applicant Contact Phone=20 480-965-9547 =A0=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:12:46 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: Receipts vs. statements? In-Reply-To: References:

ZFX requries an expense report be submitted along with the receipts (we have a standard expense report form). You do not have submit copies of your personal credit card statements, so it does not matter if you paid cash or by credit. -Delbert --=20 Delbert L. Hall ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple From: Erwin Rol Cc: mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:17:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1124839077.2641.43.camel [at] xpc.home.erwinrol.com> On Tue, 2005-08-23 at 18:01 -0400, Michael S. Eddy wrote: > Someone recently raised the question of whether theatre companies are > switching to Linux from Microsoft and /or Apple. This person mentioned > that there is value in theatres using Linux-based systems because of > all the viruses shutting down entire companies. Well even tough i am a big Linux fan, i must say something in defense of Microsoft, most of the latest virus troubles like at CNN are because administrators didn't bother to apply the latest security updates, configured firewalls wrong, or are simply not qualified enough. But security on Windows based systems is still harder than on UNIX based systems. A side effect of those systems being a bit more complicated is that most UNIX administrators are better qualified for their job than their windows colleagues. > In starting to dig, it seems that many theatres have a built-in > preference for Windows because Microsoft gives them a decent > not-for-profit discount. But what about the cost and hassle when > Windows freezes, crashes, and can't keep out basic viruses. > My question to the group at large is -- what are theatre companies > running these days Microsoft, Apple, or Linux? I don't think you can answer that question without asking what makes a theater company a theater company. If it has to do normal office work, than there is no reason for Microsoft products like word, cause there are several good alternatives, like open office (which is available on UNIX, Linux, OS/X and Windows). If it has to do things like fileserver and printer server work, UNIX systems can pretty much replace a windows server without the users noticing this. Software like Samba is for example used by IBM, HP and Sun for this purpose. If it has to do web based things like content management, LAMP (Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP/Perl/Python) can't be beat. As far as i know there are even some web based ticket ordering systems for LAMP. If it has to do desktop lighting design, CAD, planning etc. than windows is still pretty much the only way to go, not because it is better but because most software companies won't bother to design their products for non Windows platforms. This is partly because hardware support for things like 3D graphics cards is still a problem, but nVidia and ATI both offer good OpenGL drivers, so that is not that good an excuse anymore. If the theater company actually designs software, Linux is hard to beat. There is a huge amount of software and libraries, hardware driver development is childsplay compared to windows hardware driver development and you have the (example) source code (legally) available. You also see more products that use Linux Like for example the Wholehog 3 and other consoles. > What are the upsides of free (or low-cost) software? There are no upsides on free (as in gratis) software, there are upsides on Free (as in freedom) software. Although those upside depend on your point of view, Free software is about Freedom of the user, and hence it has a large upside for that user, namely no vendor lock in. Of course most vendors will not see that as an upside, hence Microsoft spends billions on fighting some hobby programmers (as they would like you to think all Free software developers are, IBM spends billions paying those programmers, its up to you to decide what money is better spend.). > What are the downsides? Currently the lack of non-windows software that specially targets certain tasks. Office tasks are pretty much covered by Open Office, but things like WYSIWYG, AutoCAD etc. are still pretty much windows only. Another downside is hardware support, a lot of hardware vendors still refuse to sell you Microsoft-tax free products, although HP finally offers a Linux Laptop (and even for that laptop wireless isn't supported, but at least you don't pay Microsoft tax on it). - Erwin ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:43:42 -0700 On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Charlie Richmond wrote: > So I would appreciate having anyone who knows about this post to > the list and apologies for the bandwidth (if there is any ;-) > I'm still looking for someone to write a *nix driver for our lighting box. Several people have shown interest, but so far no driver. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <430A8D44.55089F7E [at] cybercom.net> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:43:16 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: from the ap -- concert incident References: Jennie and Jerry Gorrell wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Associated Press > Aug. 22, 2005 08:30 AM > > BOSTON - A woman was hospitalized with broken bones after she climbed > onto the rafters of Fenway Park during Sunday night's Rolling Stones > concert and fell 35 to 40 feet. Evolution almost improved the gene pool there. --Dale ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Receipts vs. statements? Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:33:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" I have always had to submit actual receipts. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Mike Voytko Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:29 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Receipts vs. statements? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hi all, Quick question to those who use your own credit card to make=20 job-related purchases for later reimbursement: Does your company=20 finance office generally require you to submit receipts, or are=20 highlighted/annotated copies of your credit card statement sufficient=20 proof of purchase? I'm trying to get reimbursed by a company I worked with a while back...=20 After offering a variety of other weak excuses, their latest line is=20 that the statement copies I submitted aren't acceptable. I'm sure what's acceptable varies depending on the company, but since=20 I've never had trouble submitting a statement before, I'm curious to=20 see how common it is (or not). Please reply off-list. TIA, Mike V. Mike Voytko Lighting & Sound Supervisor TSOA Theatrical Production New York University ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #498 *****************************