Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24426201; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 03:01:56 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #499 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 03:01:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #499 1. Safety signs by "Stirling Shelton" 2. Re: Receipts vs. statements - and non payers by "Stephen E. Rees" 3. Re: Receipts vs. statements - and non payers by "Peter Scheu" 4. Re: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple by "Bill Conner" 5. Safety signage sources by "Bill Conner" 6. Red Letters in Pool by "Paul Guncheon" 7. Re: Red Letters in Pool by Stephen Litterst 8. Re: ground cloth stapling by "Paul Guncheon" 9. Re: Red Letters in Pool by "Michael S. Eddy" 10. Re: Red Letters in Pool by "Simon Shuker" 11. Re: Red Letters in Pool by Kevin Lee Allen 12. Re: ground cloth stapling by Steve Larson 13. Re: Red Letters in Pool by Mark O'Brien 14. Re: Red Letters in Pool by Steve Larson 15. Re: Red Letters in Pool by Delbert Hall 16. Re: Red Letters in Pool by JDruc3737 [at] aol.com 17. Re: Red Letters in Pool by "Simon Shuker" 18. Re: Red Letters in Pool by "Jon Ares" 19. Re: Red Letters in Pool by Howard Ires 20. Re: Red Letters in Pool by Delbert Hall 21. Musical Pool by Steve Larson 22. Receipts vs. statements? by CB 23. Re: Receipts vs. statements? by "Frank E. Merrill" 24. Accident in Winnipeg? by "Greg Vinci" 25. Accident in Winnipeg, another report... by "Greg Vinci" 26. Re: Accident in Winnipeg, another report... by Bill Sapsis *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: <200508241142.HAA19279 [at] playhsn.cincyplay.com> From: "Stirling Shelton" Subject: Safety signs Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:46:29 -0400 We use these guys all the time GREAT! http://www.eye-catcher.com.au/safety/1.shtml Another GREAT site: http://www.weinigusa.com/safety/table_of_contents.htm Stirling Shelton Technical Director Cincinnati Playhouse in the Park 2827 Gilbert AVE Cincinnati, OH 45206 513-345-2255 ext 302 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <430C60E5.6070102 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 07:58:29 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Receipts vs. statements - and non payers References: Mike, on the one occasion where I did not have COPY of my actual charge slip to turn in and used the copy of the monthly statement, I was asked to write a short note of justification but was promptly paid after doing so. We recently (June) moved to a university held corporate credit card but have not yet used it or the system for purchases. Will find out how that works soon enough. More to the point is getting reimbursed by companies that have already actually agreed to reimburse, have all the proper documentation and still REFUSE to meet their obligation. Does anyone know (without my asking my accountant) if I can write that off as a loss come tax time? Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia Mike Voytko wrote: Does your company finance office generally require you to submit receipts, or are highlighted/annotated copies of your credit card statement sufficient proof of purchase? (snipped) ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: RE: Receipts vs. statements - and non payers Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:21:43 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Stephen Rees wrote: >Does anyone know (without my=20 >asking my accountant) if I can write that off as a loss come tax time? I'm 99 & 44/100% sure that these can be deducted from your gross income = as an "unreimbursed business expense". As usual, complete documentation, as required by the IRS, is required. Remember though, that meals and entertainment expenses are only allowed at 50%. My former employer (and most of you know who that was) always required = an in-house created expense report with receipts. They were somewhat = flexible if you lost a receipt (who doesn't) and would accept a copy of a credit = card statement with the item highlighted. Expenses had to be broken out by = job or some other designation.=20 Meals under $25 did not require a receipt, because who always gets a = receipt at Mickey D's, or for the bottle of water grabbed on the fly at the = airport, or Fuzzy's Taco Shop? I appreciated how they trusted their employees in = this regard. All meals over $35 had to be broken out separately with details = as to who was present, and what was discussed - the assumption being that = if you spent more than $35 on a meal, you'd had better taken someone out = for dinner to discuss job-related business or schmooze a client. I now follow the same model in my business. It works well. I'd be happy = to share a copy of my modified expense report (which is just a gussied up = Excel spreadsheet) with anyone interested. Peter Scheu =20 Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003901c5a8b6$644e8970$6601a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Linux vs Microsoft and Apple Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:16:10 -0500 If you use AutoCAD, it seems one is pretty well locked into MS Windows. I would be curious to know how many "theatre companies" do in fact use AutoCAD. I know there are a lot of tech theatre related programs teaching it if that is an indication. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003a01c5a8b7$1fb9d0c0$6601a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Safety signage sources Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:21:18 -0500 The following standards may be of use. While you can use them for free, you may have to pay for a copy of the publication. ANSI Z535.1-2002, Safety Color Code ANSI Z535.2-2002, Environmental and Facility Safety Sign ANSI Z535.3-2002, Criteria for Safety Symbols ANSI Z535.4-2002, Product Safety Signs and Labels Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:52:00 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Red Letters in Pool Message-id: <003401c5a8bb$62a63e60$c6354104 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: I am cooking for some additional techniques. I am working on a commercial and I have to put a large script letter on the bottom of two swimming pools. The size of the letters is yet to be determined, but may be as large as 10' in diameter. I cannot drain the pools. This has to be installed the day of or day before shooting. (Monday). Kids will be jumping and swimming in the pool.. I tried carpet, but the sample I got floats.. I am going to try real cheap carpet. Any ideas? I am considering try sheets of aluminum or steel taped together, cut and painted. Any removable doublestick tapelike material that will work under water? Laters, Paul "Hey, castration is reversible", Tom remembered. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:56:21 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Red Letters in Pool In-reply-to: Message-id: <430C8A95.6060002 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Paul Guncheon wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am cooking for some additional techniques. I am working on a commercial > and I have to put a large script letter on the bottom of two swimming pools. > The size of the letters is yet to be determined, but may be as large as 10' > in diameter. > > I cannot drain the pools. My first thought is trying GAMFloor. I don't know how waterproof the adhesive is, but I would think the vinyl nature of the product would make it less than buoyant. > "Hey, castration is reversible", Tom remembered. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:01:14 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: ground cloth stapling Message-id: <003801c5a8bc$aca527f0$c6354104 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: When I painted drops (or usually stretched them out for someone who could really paint) I used a stapler meant for wire and stapled over12 gauge house wire laid over the edge of the drop. when it came time to pull all the staples, I just yanked up the wire. Most, if not all, of the staples remained glued to the wire by the paint and were easily scraped off. Laters, Paul ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: RE: Red Letters in Pool Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:02:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: Paul Guncheon wrote: > I am cooking for some additional techniques. I am working on a commercial > and I have to put a large script letter on the bottom of two swimming pools. > The size of the letters is yet to be determined, but may be as large as 10' > in diameter. How about CGI? Fix it in post. Michael S. Eddy Eddy Marketing & Consulting mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com ------------------------------ From: "Simon Shuker" Subject: RE: Red Letters in Pool Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:13:08 +0400 In-reply-to: Message-Id: <20050824151417.21A1B57A7 [at] mail05.powweb.com> What about making the letters out of something like plexiglass that will sing to bottom. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Guncheon Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 6:52 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Red Letters in Pool For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I am cooking for some additional techniques. I am working on a commercial and I have to put a large script letter on the bottom of two swimming pools. The size of the letters is yet to be determined, but may be as large as 10' in diameter. I cannot drain the pools. This has to be installed the day of or day before shooting. (Monday). Kids will be jumping and swimming in the pool.. I tried carpet, but the sample I got floats.. I am going to try real cheap carpet. Any ideas? I am considering try sheets of aluminum or steel taped together, cut and painted. Any removable doublestick tapelike material that will work under water? Laters, Paul "Hey, castration is reversible", Tom remembered. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:16:38 -0400 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: Red Letters in Pool In-reply-to: Message-id: <4CA6403E-A70C-4A1F-9CD6-1393EF4ABF07 [at] klad.com> References:

Signage vinyl and an inside prop with scuba kit? Lead or other metal? Lead fishing weights on the back of carpet? http://mmm.com The inside prop with the scuba kit is a must. On Aug 24, 2005, at 11:02 AM, Michael S. Eddy wrote: > How about CGI? Fix it in post. ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:20:12 -0400 Subject: Re: ground cloth stapling From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: That's a smart idea. Steve > From: "Paul Guncheon" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:01:14 -1000 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: ground cloth stapling > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > When I painted drops (or usually stretched them out for someone who could > really paint) I used a stapler meant for wire and stapled over12 gauge house > wire laid over the edge of the drop. when it came time to pull all the > staples, I just yanked up the wire. Most, if not all, of the staples > remained glued to the wire by the paint and were easily scraped off. > > Laters, > > Paul > > > > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <43dd1f27d416d2aeb8ef7dd9ba079619 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Red Letters in Pool Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:24:27 -0700 REAL easy... 1/4 " Acrylic with vinyl sign letters on it. Use clear hinge extrusions if you need to "railroad" more than one pc. together. Make the day before, and drop them in when needed. I have done logos for corporate clients on the bottom of the hotel's swimming pool. Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Aug 24, 2005, at 7:52 AM, Paul Guncheon wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > I am cooking for some additional techniques. I am working on a > commercial > and I have to put a large script letter on the bottom of two swimming > pools. > The size of the letters is yet to be determined, but may be as large > as 10' > in diameter. > > I cannot drain the pools. > > This has to be installed the day of or day before shooting. (Monday). > > Kids will be jumping and swimming in the pool.. > > I tried carpet, but the sample I got floats.. I am going to try real > cheap > carpet. > > Any ideas? > > I am considering try sheets of aluminum or steel taped together, cut > and > painted. > > Any removable doublestick tapelike material that will work under > water? > > Laters, > > Paul > > "Hey, castration is reversible", Tom remembered. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:22:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Red Letters in Pool From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sorry, I can't pass this up. Cooking or looking? Singing to the bottom or sinking? Steve > From: "Simon Shuker" > What about making the letters out of something like plexiglass that will > sing to bottom. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul -------------------------------------------------- > > I am cooking for some additional techniques. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:52:04 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: Red Letters in Pool In-Reply-To: References:

Several companies make graphics for this purpose. Aqua Art Enterprises, Inc. (in Melbourne, FL. - 800-786 8669) makes them from 1/16" industrial vinyl. or I also found a company online at http://www.windowsigns.com/homeowners/ (they use PVC). -Delbert --=20 Delbert L. Hall ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ From: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1d9.4333ac98.303dff3f [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:50:07 EDT Subject: Re: Red Letters in Pool Who said anything about a musical? ;) simon sez: What about making the letters out of something like plexiglass that will sing to bottom. Jeffrey Drucker Production Manager Bard College phone 845-758-7956 fax 845-758-7925 email drucker [at] bard.edu ------------------------------ From: "Simon Shuker" Subject: RE: Red Letters in Pool Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:57:08 +0400 In-reply-to: Message-Id: <20050824165754.908F55806 [at] mail05.powweb.com> Whoops - bloody spellcheck!!!!!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of JDruc3737 [at] aol.com Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 8:50 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Red Letters in Pool For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Who said anything about a musical? ;) simon sez: What about making the letters out of something like plexiglass that will sing to bottom. Jeffrey Drucker Production Manager Bard College phone 845-758-7956 fax 845-758-7925 email drucker [at] bard.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000301c5a8cf$53da28b0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Red Letters in Pool Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:14:46 -0700 Maybe it's a commercial with the Rhinemaidens and a hunk of gold.... > > Who said anything about a musical? ;) > > > simon sez: > What about making the letters out of something like plexiglass that will > sing to bottom. > > - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <430CABA6.5010307 [at] hillinteractive.net> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:17:26 -0400 From: Howard Ires Subject: Re: Red Letters in Pool References: In-Reply-To: Simon Shuker wrote: > > Whoops - bloody spellcheck!!!!!!!!!! Eye all ways spells checks my righting. Ewe should to. --------------h ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:55:07 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: Red Letters in Pool In-Reply-To: References: > simon sez: > What about making the letters out of something like plexiglass that will > sing to bottom. It must be a musical version of A Midsummer Night's Dream -Delbert --=20 Delbert L. Hall ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:07:17 -0400 Subject: Musical Pool From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Or The Frogs. sjl > From: Delbert Hall > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:55:07 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Red Letters in Pool > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> simon sez: >> What about making the letters out of something like plexiglass that will >> sing to bottom. > > It must be a musical version of A Midsummer Night's Dream ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050824112104.00ce6130 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:21:04 From: CB Subject: Receipts vs. statements? >I'm trying to get reimbursed by a company I worked with a while back... >After offering a variety of other weak excuses, their latest line is >that the statement copies I submitted aren't acceptable. Maybe suggesting that a judge would find them acceptable as evidence of the purchase, they might be more amenable to using them. Be subtle, be firm, file only as a last resort. Remind them that it is a re-imbursement for items purchased for them, by you, as a favor and a service for which you are not charging them, and that the interest starts at thirty days from the time you invoice them. If you plan on working for them again, ask them about their future plans for purchases, as the present plan isn't acceptable to you. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:43:02 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <252928713.20050824134302 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: Receipts vs. statements? In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Wednesday, August 24, 2005, Chris Babbie wrote about the woes of getting reimbursed: > ask them about their future plans for purchases, as the present plan > isn't acceptable to you. And speak right up and let everybody in the industry know about them so that we might not suffer as they have. More than once I've called up a customer and advised them that they need to bring cash foldin' money with them when they want stuff. Interestingly, I've had only one customer balk at that. To the balker, I simply said "This may come as a surprise to you, but I do not need customers that have a track ecord of not paying their bills." Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ From: "Greg Vinci" Reply-To: earcandy [at] ezo.net Subject: Accident in Winnipeg? Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:26:08 -0500 Message-Id: <20050824222349.M71237 [at] ezo.net> In-Reply-To: References: Could this be the incident in Winnipeg. Found on the citytv.com website in the Winnipeg news section: Two Injured on the Set of Mamma Mia! August 17 | 10:17p The curtain has risen on a Broadway musical, but the spotlight is on a workplace accident at the Centennial Concert Hall. Something went wrong as crew members set the stage for the Abba-inspired show Mamma Mia! Around 9:30 a.m. Wednesday, emergency crews rushed two stage hands to Health Sciences Centre. Paramedics were told the pair had fallen from the first balcony. Backstage, security was tight lipped about what was going on, even though police were on the scene. Barny Haines, a union rep with the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, says the two men were taking some scaffolding up to the first balcony using a pulley system, and as they were pulling it up, something dislodged. Haines says the two injured men have about 40 years of experience on the job. Haines told CityNews that one of the stagehands tried to hold up the equipment, but the load was apparently too much. He ended up with rope burns on his hands. The other man suffered what could be a broken rib. Both were taken to hospital in stable condition. But one of the mens' conditions worsened to critical. Workplace safety and health officials are now investigating. ------------------------------ From: "Greg Vinci" Reply-To: earcandy [at] ezo.net Subject: Accident in Winnipeg, another report... Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:35:32 -0500 Message-Id: <20050824223538.M92870 [at] ezo.net> In-Reply-To: References: From the Winnipeg Sun Online Edtion, August 18, 2005. Stagehands injured as pulley system fails. Two stagehands setting up equipment at Centennial Concert Hall for the opening night of Mamma Mia! were injured yesterday when a pulley system failed and dropped equipment on one of them. The pair were lifting scaffolding to the first balcony about 9:30 a.m. when they were hurt, said Barny Haines, a local representative with the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees. They were taken to Health Sciences Centre with minor injuries. One was being treated for a rib injury while the other had rope burns to his hands, Haines said. He was initially told the pair was hurt by falling equipment but later received an unconfirmed report one of them had fallen from the first balcony. Clear Channel Entertainment, the show's promoter, said the two were injured when they were loading equipment used to produce the musical. Concert hall officials wouldn't allow media into the downtown venue. Manitoba Labour's Workplace Safety and Health Department is investigating the accident. Mamma Mia!, a comedy that revolves around a young bride-to-be and runs until Aug. 28, went on as planned last night. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:41:27 -0400 Subject: Re: Accident in Winnipeg, another report... From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Yeah, that's it. The report doesn't jive completely with what I've heard but the basic facts are pretty accurate. I don't have names and I do not know the full extent of the injuries, although I'm told one guy is in very serious condition. I'll let you know when I have more concrete info. Thanks Bill www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile On 8/24/05 7:35 PM, "Greg Vinci" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > From the Winnipeg Sun Online Edtion, August 18, 2005. > > Stagehands injured as pulley system fails. > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #499 *****************************