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Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 2. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by "Tony Deeming" 3. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 4. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by Mike Brubaker 5. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 6. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by "Tony Deeming" 7. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by Bill Sapsis 8. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 9. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by IAEG [at] aol.com 10. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by "Paul Schreiner" 11. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by IAEG [at] aol.com 12. Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by "hick7957" 13. Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by Steve Larson 14. Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by "Stephen E. Rees" 15. Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by "Jon Ares" 16. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by Jerry Durand 17. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by Jerry Durand 18. Special requirements for union shops by Shawn Deiger 19. Re: my blue sidelights! by "C. Dopher" 20. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 21. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by "C. Dopher" 22. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by "C. Dopher" 23. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by doran [at] bard.edu 24. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by Bill Sapsis 25. Re: Special requirements for union shops by Howard Ires 26. Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 27. Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by IAEG [at] aol.com 28. Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 29. Re: Special requirements for union shops by MissWisc [at] aol.com 30. Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by Bill Sapsis 31. Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by IAEG [at] aol.com 32. Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by IAEG [at] aol.com 33. Colortran ENR barter by Paul Marsland 34. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by CB 35. Scenic tree by Mark O'Brien 36. Re: Apple-Xerox by "Paul Schreiner" 37. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by "Paul Schreiner" 38. Wanted: Design Department Coordinator, MTV Networks by Joseph Champelli 39. Points in a concrete ceiling by wyn 40. Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by Steve Larson 41. Re: Scenic tree by "Stephen E. Rees" 42. Re: Points in a concrete ceiling by Howard Ires 43. CSNY, harmonies by JDruc3737 [at] aol.com 44. Re: CSNY, harmonies by Stephen Litterst 45. Re: Points in a concrete ceiling by "Peter Scheu" 46. Re: Points in a concrete ceiling by Bruce Purdy 47. Re: Points in a concrete ceiling by Bill Sapsis 48. Re: Points in a concrete ceiling by Howard Ires 49. Wireless AV gear question... by "Steve Jones" 50. Re: Points in a concrete ceiling by Howard Ires 51. Re: Wireless AV gear question... by Bill Sapsis 52. Re: Points in a concrete ceiling by Kurt Cypher 53. Re: Points in a concrete ceiling by JDruc3737 [at] aol.com 54. Re: Points in a concrete ceiling by Kurt Cypher 55. G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 56. Re: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 57. Re: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by IAEG [at] aol.com 58. Re: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by IAEG [at] aol.com 59. Re: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by "Tony Deeming" 60. Re: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 61. Re: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 62. Re: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by IAEG [at] aol.com 63. Re: Points in a concrete ceiling by Charlie Richmond 64. Re: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce by IAEG [at] aol.com 65. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by Herrick Goldman 66. Halloween ? by IAEG [at] aol.com 67. Re: Halloween ? by "Jeffrey Kanyuck" 68. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by "Tony Deeming" 69. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by Charlie Richmond 70. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 71. Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick by Stuart Wheaton 72. Re: Points in a concrete ceiling by Stuart Wheaton 73. Cable Number labels by William McLachlan 74. Re: Cable Number labels by "rees" 75. Photo request by IAEG [at] aol.com 76. Re: Photo request by Bill Sapsis 77. Re: Photo request by IAEG [at] aol.com 78. Re: Photo request by Mark O'Brien 79. Re: Cable Number labels by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 80. Re: plaigerism and thanks Herrick by June Abernathy *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:41:27 GMT Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick Message-Id: <20050829.034208.5512.184465 [at] webmail22.lax.untd.com> Unless there is contract language to the contrary, the employer can reuse whatever they paid for. 'Moral rights' are not being discussed. /s/ Richard Reply to:_____________________________ So how does that figure with Judy's blue side lights?? > If it is a 'Work-Made-For-Hire', the entity that paid you to > create the design, owns the copyright, and can reuse the design > without you. > /s/ Richard ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: plagiarism and thanks Herrick Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:08:44 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Which, to be perfectly honest, Richard, would appear to be the case in most examples I've come across, even as an amateur observing the pro's. I'd ask again the question - how many of the pro LD's here (or squeaks, for that matter) either a) have a contractual insert to cover their work and/or b) have ALL the relevant documentation and evidence to support a potential claim? TD > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of > ladesigners [at] juno.com > Sent: 29 August 2005 11:41 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Unless there is contract language to the contrary, the employer > can reuse whatever they paid for. 'Moral rights' are not being discussed. > /s/ Richard > > Reply to:_____________________________ > So how does that figure with Judy's blue side lights?? > > > > If it is a 'Work-Made-For-Hire', the entity that paid you to > > create the design, owns the copyright, and can reuse the design > > without you. > > /s/ Richard > > > ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:18:19 GMT Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick Message-Id: <20050829.041831.5512.184589 [at] webmail22.lax.untd.com> Dear Jon, Normally and by default, they own the work, and your 'Employee" versus 'Independent Contractor' tax status is NOT determinative. The easier analysis is to treat it as if they are buying your personal property rather than your intellectual property. If you were to rent the Theatre a used lighting instrument, rather than sell it to them, the contract would specify that a rental had occurred, and that there was no transfer of title. Otherwise, a sale is assumed. /s/ Richard > If it is a 'Work-Made-For-Hire', the entity that paid you to create the design, owns the copyright, and can reuse the design without you. Does that language need to be in a contract? Over the years, I have signed many contracts, of course, but many shows have never had such language. (These contracts usually more or less just state that I'll be remunerated by performing such functions, etc.) If a contract does not state they 'own' it, or, if in fact there was never a contract for my work, do they own it? - Jon Ares ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050829064545.01e269c0 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 06:46:41 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick In-Reply-To: References: Keep in mind that Judy is, I believe, in Isreal. Mike At 03:07 AM 8/29/2005, Tony Deeming wrote: >So how does that figure with Judy's blue side lights?? > > > > If it is a 'Work-Made-For-Hire', the entity that paid you to > > create the design, owns the copyright, and can reuse the design ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: plagiarism and thanks Herrick Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 07:54:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c5ac90$718e81c0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > >So how does that figure with Judy's blue side lights?? Wasn't that a Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young song? ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: plagiarism and thanks Herrick Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:28:16 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OK - theoretically, how does that figure with Judy's blue side lights?? ------------------------------------------------ > > Keep in mind that Judy is, I believe, in Isreal. > > Mike > > At 03:07 AM 8/29/2005, Tony Deeming wrote: > > >So how does that figure with Judy's blue side lights?? > > > > > > > If it is a 'Work-Made-For-Hire', the entity that paid you to > > > create the design, owns the copyright, and can reuse the design > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:37:17 -0400 Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Close. Sweet Judy Blue Eyes. Trivia question. Who is the Judy in the song? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile On 8/29/05 7:54 AM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > Wasn't that a Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young song? ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: plagiarism and thanks Herrick Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:47:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c5ac97$d80d5a00$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Trivia question. Who is the Judy in the song? Collins. ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <64.5c071152.30445ef3 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:52:03 EDT Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick In a message dated 8/29/05 8:37:52 AM, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: << Trivia question. Who is the Judy in the song? >> Collins who had been good friend / lover etc of I think Stills, , who coincidently went to my HS alma mater, , H B Plant HS here in Tampa very best, Keith ------------------------------ Subject: RE: plagiarism and thanks Herrick Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:12:00 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C8D0 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Close. Sweet Judy Blue Eyes. Not quite...though I normally wouldn't deign to correct Unka Bill, it's "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes". And yes, it's Judy Collins. Oh, for the days when popular music actually featured harmonies like CSNY...*sigh* ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1c5.2f15d66d.304464d8 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:17:12 EDT Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick In a message dated 8/29/05 9:12:35 AM, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu writes: << Oh, for the days when popular music actually featured harmonies like CSNY...*sigh* >> somehow I just don't think anyone would have gone into a GRAMMY party in the 60's or 70's and shot Clive Davis, am I being too nostalgic ? very best, Keith ------------------------------ From: "hick7957" Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:55:43 -0500 Message-id: <431313df.42.f54.8308 [at] fredonia.edu> In the production being put on by SUNY Fredonia, we're staying as close to the script as we can. That's what the director and scene designer have agreed upon. And it does call for the action that takes place behind it to be visible. So it we need it to be a scrim. It needs to be a Christmas card cause it suppose to set the mood for the show. The set is going to be covered in christmas lights and the like. It's so the audience has basic no doubt in thier mind what their about to see. So, yes a nutcacker-esque drop would probably work. Thanks, Justin Hicks SUNY Fredonia > Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:41:48 -0400 > Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol > Farce From: Steve Larson > Message-ID: > In-Reply-To: > > The play is a comedy about the Farndale women > trying to put on a production of A Christmas Carol. > It does not "need" the scrim. (snipped) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:22:30 -0400 Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Makes you wonder sometimes if the Farndale women have more money for their productions that most of us do. It should, despite everyone's wishes for a "pretty" set, look like "community theatre". The action pretty much dictates that also. Steve > From: "hick7957" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:55:43 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In the production being put on by SUNY Fredonia, we're > staying as close to the script as we can. That's what > the director and scene designer have agreed upon. And it > does call for the action that takes place behind it to be > visible. So it we need it to be a scrim. It needs to be > a Christmas card cause it suppose to set the mood for the > show. The set is going to be covered in christmas lights and > the like. It's so the audience has basic no doubt in thier > mind what their about to see. So, yes a nutcacker-esque drop > would probably work. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43132417.3020504 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:04:55 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce References: Steve, Interesting that you use the word "Pretty" in that the director scorned anything to do with that concept in terms of lighting, set or anything at a prod. mtg. on Friday. Low rent "community Theatre is indeed the byword of the day. BTW, set budget is $750. Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia Steve Larson wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Makes you wonder sometimes if the Farndale women > have more money for their productions that most > of us do. It should, despite everyone's wishes > for a "pretty" set, look like "community theatre". > The action pretty much dictates that also. > > Steve > > >>From: "hick7957" >>Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >>Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:55:43 -0500 >>To: "Stagecraft" >>Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce >> >>For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >>--------------------------------------------------- >> >>In the production being put on by SUNY Fredonia, we're >>staying as close to the script as we can. That's what >>the director and scene designer have agreed upon. And it >>does call for the action that takes place behind it to be >>visible. So it we need it to be a scrim. It needs to be >>a Christmas card cause it suppose to set the mood for the >>show. The set is going to be covered in christmas lights and >>the like. It's so the audience has basic no doubt in thier >>mind what their about to see. So, yes a nutcacker-esque drop >>would probably work. > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000301c5acac$8a2f8690$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:15:50 -0700 > Steve, > Interesting that you use the word "Pretty" in that the director scorned > anything to do with that concept in terms of lighting, set or anything at > a prod. mtg. on Friday. Low rent "community Theatre is indeed the byword > of the day. BTW, set budget is $750. Methinks that $750 is best spent in making sure that the trickery for the show (set falling apart, etc) is designed and built safely, and maybe not spent on scrim rentals. (But I wasn't in the production meeting, so take my thoughts with a grain of something.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050829083853.0298c060 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:42:15 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick In-Reply-To: References: At 04:18 AM 8/29/2005, you wrote: >Dear Jon, > Normally and by default, they own the work, and your > 'Employee" versus 'Independent Contractor' tax status is NOT determinative. > The easier analysis is to treat it as if they are buying your > personal property rather than your intellectual property. If you > were to rent the Theatre a used lighting instrument, rather than > sell it to them, the contract would specify that a rental had > occurred, and that there was no transfer of title. Otherwise, a > sale is assumed. >/s/ Richard I believe this also brings up the possibility that the buyer can prevent YOU from ever using that design again, since you sold it to them. Again, unless the contract states otherwise. I'm currently doing several projects involving firmware for the embedded processors. The client (per contract) has the right to freely distribute and modify that firmware for use with this particular product, but Durand Interstellar retains the copyright to the firmware. This allows me to reuse parts for other projects. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050829084345.03c479d0 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:44:00 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick In-Reply-To: References: At 06:12 AM 8/29/2005, you wrote: >Oh, for the days when popular music actually featured harmonies like >CSNY...*sigh* Isn't CSNY a clothing store? :) -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:45:17 -0500 Subject: Special requirements for union shops From: Shawn Deiger Message-ID: Hopefully somebody out there can help me with this. I'm a student trying to find some information on what special requirements may exist for an academic theatre to have IATSE foremen (or women) in the scenic, lighting, and sound shops. I realize this is pretty wide open, but I'm not sure how to narrow down the details yet. This could also vary from local to local, but any input is appreciated. Thanks for any help. ____________ Shawn Deiger Sound Production Coordinator UNK Music and Performing Arts ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:54:36 -0400 Subject: Re: my blue sidelights! From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43122920.5070204 [at] post.tau.ac.il> On 8/28/05 5:14 PM, "Judy" wrote: > My blue sidelights were definitely stealing! Yes, it was at the same > venue. No, they did not pay ANY lighting designer for Sylphides. They > just put up the same lighting I had done for Giselle, Did they actually re-hang the plot and focus it to match your focus? Or did they simply not un-hang the plot that was there and had some ME write a few new cues? The former would take it out of the realm of stealing, though you should be paid if they actually used your plot; focus is difficult to actually duplicate. The latter case is definitely something you deserve extra pay for. But if they simply took your IDEA of the blue sidelights and re-constituted the system in a different plot and the cueing was all different then...well, the laughs on them. It wasn't appropriate, it didn't look right, and perhaps they'll learn a lesson from it all. Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: plagiarism and thanks Herrick Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:54:55 -0400 Message-ID: <000401c5acb2$03640590$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > >Oh, for the days when popular music actually featured harmonies like > >CSNY...*sigh* Oh, for the days when "popular music" was, well, music. Me, I'd just as soon have grown up during the age of big band and swing, except, y'know, for that WWII thing.... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:55:21 -0400 Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050828.085920.9684.175742 [at] webmail25.lax.untd.com> On 8/28/05 11:58 AM, "ladesigners [at] juno.com" wrote: > Dear Cris, > The answer YES. I have been an Entertainment Lawyer for over 20 years and I am > sure that there are other Designers on this list who have learned the hard way > how to protect their work. Its the biz of shobiz. > /s/ Richard, LD+JD [Cal Bar# 106112] Good answer. It's the court-experienced ones I will be paying the most attention to.... Cris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:57:58 -0400 Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 8/28/05 2:46 PM, "Bill Sapsis" wrote: > Hey Richard. Why don't you do a session on some of this stuff at USITT? > Bill S. I second that. Maybe include some coverage on copyright v. trademark v. patent. Isn't patent about as close as you can come to "copyrighting" purely an "idea"? Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1125331061.43133075d3777 [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:57:41 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick References: In-Reply-To: Quoting Jerry Durand : harmonies like > >CSNY...*sigh* > > Isn't CSNY a clothing store? :) No, CSNY is a TV show with Gary Sinese. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:09:12 -0400 Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Aaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh (runs screaming from the room) On 8/29/05 11:57 AM, "doran [at] bard.edu" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Quoting Jerry Durand : > > harmonies like >>> CSNY...*sigh* >> >> Isn't CSNY a clothing store? :) > > No, CSNY is a TV show with Gary Sinese. > > Andy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <431334C6.7010601 [at] hillinteractive.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:16:06 -0400 From: Howard Ires Subject: Re: Special requirements for union shops References: In-Reply-To: Shop contracts are a local thing. Talk to the business agent of the IA local covering your area. BA's are always happy for an opportunity to hire out members. ------------------H ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050829162634.79448.qmail [at] web30208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:26:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce In-Reply-To: "Farndale Women" is part of the title, not the group. There is a series of these plays--the gimmick is that this low-rent group is putting on shows, tacky-but-enthusiastic. I haven't seen any of them, but I know there is at least one version of a Gilbert & Sullivan operetta. Jacki --- Steve Larson wrote: > > Makes you wonder sometimes if the Farndale women > have more money for their productions that most > of us do. It should, despite everyone's wishes > for a "pretty" set, look like "community theatre". > The action pretty much dictates that also. > > Steve ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <77.4c881d94.30449342 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:35:14 EDT Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce In a message dated 8/29/05 12:27:07 PM, jacki14fr [at] yahoo.com writes: << tacky-but-enthusiastic. I haven't seen any of them, but I know there is at least one version of a Gilbert & Sullivan operetta. >> aren't MOST Gilbert and Sullivan operettas these days done by groups that are "tacky but enthusiastic"? unfortunate, but true, , , my parents met doing G & S, , so it holds a special place in my heart,, , very best, Keith Arsenault ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:40:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c5acb8$64be7310$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > unfortunate, but true, , , my parents met doing G & S, , so > it holds a > special place in my heart,, , I'm in the rare (for this list, anyway) position of having met Keith's parents, so I have to ask.... Keith, I'm assuming your mom was dancing or choreographing; pleasepleaseplease tell me your dad was playing the Major-General. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <200.8da121d.304494a1 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:41:05 EDT Subject: Re: Special requirements for union shops In a message dated 8/29/5 10:46:09 AM, deigers [at] unk.edu writes: << I'm a student trying to find some information on what special requirements may exist for an academic theatre to have IATSE foremen (or women) in the scenic, lighting, and sound shops. >> "Union Shop" by definition means everyone employed there is a union member. I know of no college where the entire theatre department is IA/Equity, but it's not uncommon for the technical director at a college to be (or have been) an IATSE/USA member simply because it's one of the best ways to get jobs in technical theatre. It's also common at state universities for instructors (professors, etc) to be members of AFSCME, AFT, or NEA, so they are techincally a union shop, just not the union that specifically represents stagehands. Just an FYI. If you wanted to employ IA members to supervise student employees, just call your local Business Agent asking for journeymen with the necessary skills, HOWEVER you should also check with your institution for their requirements for student supervisors (degree/background check etc). You may ask for IA members with previous teaching experience, specific degrees, or whatever other qualifications you'd ask for in any employee. There is no guarantee that you'd get all IA members with MFAs in their respective areas of expertise, but I'm confident you'd get capable, competent people if you're specific about what you want. (See previous arguments on this list re: MFA versus real-life experience.) Depending on your needs, you could have the supervisors become employees of the college and go through all your things, or you can hire them through whatever mechanism the IA may have. You could also work with your IA local to have your students do their IA apprenticeship simultaneously with their college work. By the time they are juniors or seniors, they would be journeymen and a HUGE asset to both. I'm curious... why not an IA supervisor for wardrobe/hair/makeup also? Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:50:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OK. Pictures. We want pictures. On 8/29/05 12:40 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > Keith, I'm assuming your mom was dancing or choreographing; > pleasepleaseplease tell me your dad was playing the Major-General. ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <195.46415f04.304498f5 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:59:33 EDT Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce In a message dated 8/29/05 12:41:51 PM, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: << Keith, I'm assuming your mom was dancing or choreographing; pleasepleaseplease tell me your dad was playing the Major-General. >> Jeff, , , Mom was actually singing and dancing, , there wasn't much choreography as the Provencetown Playhouse stage in the village is about 2 x nothing, , Dad wasn't the Major-General, , but he was most of the leading tenor roles in the entire rep and a few of the lighter / dramatic baritone roles, , as he was rejected for the military three times for medical reasons during WW II he was a rare young military exempt male in NYC during the 40's they did a show for a week, , while rehearing the next show, , one show a week, , helluva schedule eh ? very best, Keith Arsenault ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <20a.81fb185.30449979 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:01:45 EDT Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce In a message dated 8/29/05 12:51:11 PM, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: << OK. Pictures. We want pictures. >> I actually don't have a photo of them doing G & S, , but I have a marvelous photo of their supper club / night club act from the 40's I will see if I can post it to a web page and post a url, , , very best, Keith ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050829174816.27434.qmail [at] web52203.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:48:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Colortran ENR barter In-Reply-To: Hey All, Having just replaced a lighting system, I have a wealth of Colortran ENR stuff that might be useful to someone else. While I am very aware of the product's reputation, I will say that after Colortran's repair efforts in the early 90's, the system performed for us pretty flawlessly over 300 shows a year ever since. Someone with more knowledge then me could probably put together a complete lighting system for some performing space in need, but I would like to offer the parts for barter, either in total or piecemeal. I have roughly; 3 - ENR 96 install racks 6 - control modules that may need new EPROMS for your space 2 - architectual control modules with memory card 120 - dual 20a dimmer modules 12 - single 50a dimmer modules 1 - LCD control station 1 - 4-preset control station Again, I am not offering a complete lighting system, nor the promise that you can make one, but I am offering lots of parts for someone else to use as they see fit. Value, freight and other issues to be worked out. Contact me off list if interested. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050829103745.00cdc820 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:37:45 From: CB Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick >The "Archival Use Only" excuse... one of the great urban legends (old wive's >tale?) of the amateur theatre. Which is distilled from the phrase (I think it's in the Equity Contract?) that permission may be granted for an archival copy. This means that if you would like to make an archial copy that there is nothing inherently wrong with it, and premission will probably be granted if none of the actors have an issue preventing permission. This does not mean that it is a forgone conclusion. Once you have permission from the actors to capture and reproduce their images, you will need the permission of all the other intellectual property owners that will be depicted. The play's rights holders, f'rinstance, and the LD, the SD, plus any copyrighted music, the ... you get the idea. It *is* possible to make an archival videotape in theory, but in practice I've never seen it done with all the legal bows tied. It seems to be easier and cheaper to simply 'steal' an archival copy and then try to defend it in court if it is ever discovered and the parties decide to try to collect. THIS IS ALL MY PERSONAL BELIEF! BASED ON RUMOUR, INNUENDO, AND ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE! Take from it what you will. OTOH, Richard, I was working with a theatre company that wanted to videotape the production (b&w FOH cam, board feed for audio) for a remount that was going to occur a few months later, and they wanted an archival copy to show to prospective replacement crew, this is the process, no? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Scenic tree Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:03:31 -0700 I am looking or a simple way to make a flat scenic tree. This tree will be about 12'W by 20' tall. I plan to cnc cut the skin out of luan, and frame it with steel tube. This tree will fly, and track in. Has anyone made something like this that has a fair amount of 2 dimensional detail, but very little 3 dimensional detail, that did not look like butt? I am looking for a simple. yet elegant solution. On or off list is fine. Thanks Mark-O (Anyone have one to Fedex to Tucson?) Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Apple-Xerox Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:20:47 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C8D7 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > and also had a Space Wars game that caused a lot of guys (and=20 > teachers) to spend a lot of lunch and after school time playing with=20 > their Wang. :) That's just...not right. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: plagiarism and thanks Herrick Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:22:13 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C8D8 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > If only Mozilla would come out with a free SUV that got better gas=20 > mileage, did > not break down, and drove better... I'd happily settle for an Opera version, even with the rotating ads displayed on the trunk. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <621d2eb005082911574c099c13 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:57:21 -0400 From: Joseph Champelli Subject: Wanted: Design Department Coordinator, MTV Networks MTV Networks is now interviewing candidates for the position of Design Department Coordinator. This a freelance position that=20 supports daily operations related to the development of scenic designs and themed environments for a large variety of corporate events and televised programming for MTV, Nickelodeon, CMT, Spike TV, Comedy Central, and many others. This is an entry level opportunity for person's interested in a career in Event and(or) Scenic Design. BA or BFA in Theatre or other Art/Design related field is preferred but not required. Will consider part-time students. Applicants must have good organizational and communication skills. The responsibilities are 60% administrative and 40% design related. A brief description follows: Administrative:=20 Reconcile all Petty Cash, P-Card, Travel and Expenditure for Design Departm= ent.=20 Liaison between Design Department, Vendors, and Accounting.=20 Submit, track, and resolve all paper work related to timely payment of Design Department Vendors. Manage and organize Design Department Archives.=20 Arrange and coordinate all mailing and shipping of design documents and supplies. Assist Design Department Manager as needed with research and resolution of all financial issues. Design:=20 Assist Designers and Design Assistants as needed(and availability allows).= =20 Typical examples of design related work are research, shopping, graphic creation/manipulation, on site coordination. Occasional opportunities for some model building and drafting pending skill level and availability. Start date is mid-September 2005 with indefinite end date. Pay is per day with negotiable rate pending experience. Interested candidates should immediately e-mail letter and resume to Terry Gipson, Design Department Head, MTV Networks Special Events: Terry.Gipson [at] mtvn.com. We are located at 1515 Broadway, 30th Floor, NY NY 10036. Terry can be reached at 212-846-4799 for questions. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43135E37.1050002 [at] idworld.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:12:55 -0500 From: wyn Subject: Points in a concrete ceiling What is the best way to install points into a concrete ceiling? I have a show that requires some pipe to be mounted under a concrete ceiling in a 40+ year old buildingfor cable runs .I know i will have to get the engineers involved to make sure it's safe but what i need is what has worked for you in the past . On another subject my wife has asked me to find pics for her math class of rigging failers that she can put on the wall as an example of how math is used and what could happen if you do it wrong. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:03:05 -0400 Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: The Farndale Avenue Housing Estates Townswoman's Guild Dramatic Society is the group. Please update your info. sjl > From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 09:26:34 -0700 (PDT) > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > "Farndale Women" is part of the title, not the group. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43135DB7.6050307 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:10:47 -0400 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Scenic tree References: Mark, Jon Lagerquist at South Coast Rep in CA did some really slick units exactly like this a couple of years ago. I borrowed some of his idea (AND GAVE HIM PROGRAM CREDIT:) ) and they worked very well. Maybe he can help you out. Basically it is lauan with 1/4" round rod "stiffeners". Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia Mark O'Brien wrote: > I am looking or a simple way to make a flat scenic tree. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43136086.5020802 [at] hillinteractive.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:22:46 -0400 From: Howard Ires Subject: Re: Points in a concrete ceiling References: In-Reply-To: wyn wrote: > What is the best way to install points into a concrete ceiling? that depends on so many different variables.... > I have a > show that requires some pipe to be mounted under a concrete ceiling in a > 40+ year old buildingfor cable runs .I know i will have to get the > engineers involved to make sure it's safe but what i need is what has > worked for you in the past I have drilled right through and tied off to another piece of pipe on the other side when possible. That way I was pretty well assured that the point would not come down without taking the whole ceiling with it. i would not trust any kind of expansion fastener, hilti nail, lead anchor etc... to put a point into a ceiling. . > On another subject my wife has asked me to find pics for her math class > of rigging failers that she can put on the wall as an example of how > math is used and what could happen if you do it wrong. > I googled "engineering disasters" and got this, among others: http://www.soe.uoguelph.ca/webfiles/wjames/homepage/Teaching/FamousEngrgDisasters.htm ------------------------------ From: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <12d.6397773e.3044bbd1 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:28:17 EDT Subject: CSNY, harmonies On a related note, I had the pleasure of seeing CSN at the Cape Cod Melody Tent about a month ago. First time I'd seen them in umpty million years. David Crosby never ceases to amaze me. After all these years and and all those foreign substances he was amazing to see/hear. Great show. > Oh, for the days when popular music actually featured harmonies like > CSNY...*sigh* Jeffrey Drucker Production Manager Bard College phone 845-758-7956 fax 845-758-7925 email drucker [at] bard.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:32:31 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: CSNY, harmonies In-reply-to: Message-id: <431362CF.6090102 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- After all these years and and all those > foreign substances he was amazing to see/hear. After all those foreign subtances, it's amazing he can see/hear. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Points in a concrete ceiling Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:38:57 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: wyn wrote: >I know i will have to get the >engineers involved to make sure it's safe but what i need is what has=20 >worked for you in the past. What has worked for us in the past is irrelevant. Every installation is = site specific. The only way to do this right if for a licensed structural engineer to specify the specific design to anchor your points, whether = it be simple anchors or bolt-thru design. I suspect no one on this list will = give you "concrete" answers (pun very much intended). Bypass this list and = got straight to an engineer. Peter Scheu =20 Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:44:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Points in a concrete ceiling From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > I googled "engineering disasters" and got this, among others: > > http://www.soe.uoguelph.ca/webfiles/wjames/homepage/Teaching/FamousEngrgDisast > ers.htm This brings up a links page, and *every* link I tried produces a 404 (File not found) response. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:45:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Points in a concrete ceiling From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Once you determine how strong the concrete is (and you will need a structural person for that part) then I would be using Hilti anchors. We've used them for years. (not the same ones, mind you. We buy new ones for each project<>) Hilti will have a specific anchor for your application. Talk to them. And, not to slight the other anchor manufacturers, you should talk to one or two of them if you aren't getting a warm and fuzzy from Hilti. But if the anchor doesn't include an epoxy resin of some sort, I wouldn't use it. Simple or even double expansion anchors loosen over time. Epoxy anchors do not. And here's a suggestion. Use the anchor to attach a short piece of angle iron to the ceiling. Then you can hang whatever you want to from the angle iron leg that's pointed down. Gives you a much easier connection detail to work with. But the key is knowing for an absolute fact what kind of ceiling you are dealing with. Zat help? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile On 8/29/05 3:12 PM, "wyn" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > What is the best way to install points into a concrete ceiling? I have a > show that requires some pipe to be mounted under a concrete ceiling in a > 40+ year old buildingfor cable runs .I know i will have to get the > engineers involved to make sure it's safe but what i need is what has > worked for you in the past . > On another subject my wife has asked me to find pics for her math class > of rigging failers that she can put on the wall as an example of how > math is used and what could happen if you do it wrong. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <431366FA.6060804 [at] hillinteractive.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:50:18 -0400 From: Howard Ires Subject: Re: Points in a concrete ceiling References: In-Reply-To: Bruce Purdy wrote: > > This brings up a links page, and *every* link I tried produces a 404 > (File not found) response. > oops. they sure were an interesting list of links. i'd better get back to the work i'm procrastinating by posting to mailing lists.... -------------------h ------------------------------ From: "Steve Jones" Subject: Wireless AV gear question... Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:53:38 -0500 Organization: Plaza Theatre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Greetings all! I am looking for feedback on equipment that will allow a laptop to send audio and video output to a Sanyo digital projector that is 150 feet away wirelessly. Something like the Avocent LongView Wireless Extender. Anyone have anything they recommend or have experience with? We need talking heads at the lectern on stage to be able to show and control their Powerpoints on the screen on stage from the projector in the balcony. Thanks! Steve ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 651-2511 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4313680B.7090800 [at] hillinteractive.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:54:51 -0400 From: Howard Ires Subject: Re: Points in a concrete ceiling References: In-Reply-To: Bill Sapsis wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Once you determine how strong the concrete is (and you will need a > structural person for that part) then I would be using Hilti anchors. > We've used them for years. (not the same ones, mind you. We buy new ones > for each project<>) > > Hilti will have a specific anchor for your application. Talk to them. > well, I defer to Bill. If he says Hilti's are good to go in a ceiling, they must be. I like the idea of putting in a piece of angle, too. --------------h ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:03:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Wireless AV gear question... From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: 1) Make sure laptop is on. 2) Make sure correct application is running. 3) Pick up laptop. 4) Get a running start. 5) Hurl laptop at the projector. Can't help you with the talking heads. The heads I use all need bodies. Most aren't great bodies, but they need them nonetheless. Zat help? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile On 8/29/05 3:53 PM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings all! > > I am looking for feedback on equipment that will allow a laptop to send > audio and video output to a Sanyo digital projector that is 150 feet away > wirelessly. Something like the Avocent LongView Wireless Extender. Anyone > have anything they recommend or have experience with? > > We need talking heads at the lectern on stage to be able to show and control > their Powerpoints on the screen on stage from the projector in the balcony. > > Thanks! > > Steve > > ************************************* > Steve Jones, Director > Plaza Theatre > 115 E. Main Street > Glasgow, KY 42141 > Voice: (270) 361-2101 > Fax: (270) 651-2511 > http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:32:06 -0400 From: Kurt Cypher Subject: Re: Points in a concrete ceiling In-reply-to: Message-id: <431370C6.40903 [at] cyphernet.homedns.org> References: Bruce Purdy wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > > >>I googled "engineering disasters" and got this, among others: >> >>http://www.soe.uoguelph.ca/webfiles/wjames/homepage/Teaching/FamousEngrgDisast >>ers.htm >> >> > > This brings up a links page, and *every* link I tried produces a 404 >(File not found) response. > >Bruce > > Some of the links do work, but most of them appear to link to personal web pages at www.uoguelph.ca (University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada), which tends to be a bad idea, since students do graduate once in a while, and faculty & staff can move on to other jobs. Kurt ------------------------------ From: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ef.43040843.3044cc47 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:38:31 EDT Subject: Re: Points in a concrete ceiling Which is what it says at the top of the page. =20 "these links comprise problem A1 of course 05-210 and will die off as =20 students move on =20 | comments? | updated 1998-10-29 |=A91998 Wm James | " =20 =20 kurt [at] cyphernet.homedns.org writes: Some of the links do work, but most of them appear to link to personal =20 web pages at www.uoguelph.ca (University of Guelph in Ontario, Canada), =20 which tends to be a bad idea, since students do graduate once in a =20 while, and faculty & staff can move on to other jobs. Jeffrey Drucker Production Manager Bard College phone 845-758-7956 fax 845-758-7925 email drucker [at] bard.edu =20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:56:55 -0400 From: Kurt Cypher Subject: Re: Points in a concrete ceiling In-reply-to: Message-id: <43137697.7010900 [at] cyphernet.homedns.org> References: JDruc3737 [at] aol.com wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Which is what it says at the top of the page. > >"these links comprise problem A1 of course 05-210 and will die off as >students move on >| comments? | updated 1998-10-29 |©1998 Wm James | " > > > > So I (and the person whose posting I was responding to) missed the not-so-fine print :) Kurt ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050829210104.20207.qmail [at] web30210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:01:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce In-Reply-To: --- IAEG [at] aol.com wrote: > aren't MOST Gilbert and Sullivan operettas these > days done by groups that are "tacky but > enthusiastic"? With all due respect, no. Most of the groups I know of have extremely high production values. I'm producer for Valley Light Opera in Amherst MA. Of the numerous community theatre groups in this area, we do the most ambitious productions, in terms of sets, lights, orchestra and especially costumes. And I met my own husband doing G&S. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:04:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c5acdd$36851b50$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > And I met my own husband doing G&S. From "The West Wing": "Is that the one that's about duty?" "They're all about duty." ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:06:39 EDT Subject: Re: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce In a message dated 8/29/05 5:01:54 PM, jacki14fr [at] yahoo.com writes: << With all due respect, no. Most of the groups I know of have extremely high production values. I'm producer for Valley Light Opera in Amherst MA. Of the numerous community theatre groups in this area, we do the most ambitious productions, in terms of sets, lights, orchestra and especially costumes. And I met my own husband doing G&S. >> actually, ,, years ago when I was working for Sarah Caldwell at the Boston Opera, I saw a Yeomen of the Guard in Newton, MA I believe, , The leading lady was my then girlfriend, still a well known soprano and teacher in the Boston area whom I won't name for fear of tarnishing her image by association with me. It was excellent, on a ridiculously small stage yet with first rate production and musical values very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1da.4328d9fc.3044d30e [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:07:26 EDT Subject: Re: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce In a message dated 8/29/05 5:04:57 PM, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: << > And I met my own husband doing G&S. From "The West Wing": "Is that the one that's about duty?" "They're all about duty." >> how terribly "British" very best, Keith ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:13:48 +0100 Message-ID: In-reply-to: > > > aren't MOST Gilbert and Sullivan operettas these > > days done by groups that are "tacky but > > enthusiastic"? > > With all due respect, no. Most of the groups I know > of have extremely high production values. I'm > producer for Valley Light Opera in Amherst MA. Of the > numerous community theatre groups in this area, we do > the most ambitious productions, in terms of sets, > lights, orchestra and especially costumes. > > And I met my own husband doing G&S. > And speaking on behalf of a sadly disbanded yet excellent amateur G & S company I would also resemble the remark! Yes, I've seen some rather dubious G & S attempts, but I've also seen loads of exceptional performances. I built sets for ours from around '84 til they stopped around 5 years ago. Some I wasn't too proud of (the sets, that is) but most were some of my better works, often built on a pittance of around £200 or £300 per show! We also produced some simple but effective lighting effects - this company was one of the few in our area who wanted to experiment with different stuff (as long as it didn't cost TOO much!!!). Learned to play with different backlighting, side lights, sepia-style, UV mix, as well as fog/dry ice and pyro's! Oh, and guess what - in '82, for a production of Trial by Jury, on an odd occasion with me actually performing (very odd!) I started from USL, and a young lady of slight acquaintance started USR, and we met in the middle and ushered the guy in a gorilla suit into the top chair (don't ask!!!) before the ensemble came on tittering at the more than obvious substitution of 'a good judge too'! Yup - that lady of slight acquaintance walked up the aisle to me 5 years later. (Seems like a lifetime.......) TD ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:17:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c5acdf$1706c010$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > The leading lady was my then girlfriend, still a well known > soprano and > teacher in the Boston area whom I won't name for fear of > tarnishing her image by > association with me. C'mon, Keith, *I've* admitted I knew you.... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:34:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c5ace1$6cdc6790$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > And I met my own husband doing G&S. OK, I've figured out why I'm not married -- I haven't done enough G&S. ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e.4c574af1.3044da9c [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:39:40 EDT Subject: Re: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce In a message dated 8/29/05 5:14:36 PM, deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: << And speaking on behalf of a sadly disbanded yet excellent amateur G & S company I would also resemble the remark! >> Tony, , I would NEVER speak disparagingly of any UK G & S production I assure you, , , Never! well, , hardly ever! : - ) ( could not miss that opportunity! ) very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:39:53 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Points in a concrete ceiling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Howard Ires wrote: > http://www.soe.uoguelph.ca/webfiles/wjames/homepage/Teaching/FamousEngrgDisasters.htm Nice page. Too bad so many links are broken.... Charlie ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:43:47 EDT Subject: Re: G&S was Re: Painted Chrismas Scrim for Christmas Carol Farce In a message dated 8/29/05 5:18:12 PM, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: << > The leading lady was my then girlfriend, still a well known > soprano and > teacher in the Boston area whom I won't name for fear of > tarnishing her image by > association with me. C'mon, Keith, *I've* admitted I knew you.... >> Jeff, , true, , But perhaps there is still some sliver of chivalry left in me that assumes that while your reputation can withstand the "besmirching" that results from your admission of knowing me, it would be un gentlemanly of me to assume that hers can. Besides, she married with children and I wouldn't be surprised if there are some on this list that would know her name and perhaps know her personally, so I will leave her un named as to protect her heretofore unsullied reputation. very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:45:13 -0400 Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Dopher, Aside from the Expertise of LADesigners my wife is a corporate Intellectual Property attorney who does litigation worldwide. We had a long talk about copyright and other issues the other day. At some point I'll have her look over my shoulder as I post a reply. But I'm in tech hell right now for 3 shows so it may be a bit. For now she suggests going to www.copyright.gov and they have a lot of FAQ lists. _Herrick On 8/28/05 11:17 AM, "C. Dopher" wrote: > Everybody else: are there any actual experts in intellectual property > theory and law here? No? > > Hello? Hello? Is this thing on? > > Cris Dopher, LD -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <15a.57b14f80.3044dbf6 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:45:26 EDT Subject: Halloween ? By the way folks, I know that both Herrick and I are heavily involved in lighting large scale Halloween projects, are their others here on the list that are doing the same ? very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:50:12 -0400 From: "Jeffrey Kanyuck" Subject: Re: Halloween ? >>> IAEG [at] aol.com 8/29/2005 5:45:26 PM >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- By the way folks, I know that both Herrick and I are heavily involved in lighting large scale Halloween projects, are their others here on the list that are doing the same ? very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida I wish I were doing some Halloween stuff. It's such a blast. I made a high school theater into a "scarey place" for Halloween once. Took a LOT of flame-retardant to make the firemarshal happy. Jeff ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: plagiarism and thanks Herrick Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:53:53 +0100 Message-ID: In-reply-to: > > Dopher, > > Aside from the Expertise of LADesigners my wife is a corporate > Intellectual > Property attorney who does litigation worldwide. We had a long talk about > copyright and other issues the other day. > > At some point I'll have her look over my shoulder as I post a > reply. But I'm > in tech hell right now for 3 shows so it may be a bit. > > For now she suggests going to www.copyright.gov and they have a lot of FAQ > lists. > > _Herrick > Yes.... BUT.... Has anyone any knowledge of ANY LD or SD who has had their work copied in any way and either carried out or even considered litigation? Successful or not. TD > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:06:27 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Tony Deeming wrote: > Has anyone any knowledge of ANY LD or SD who has had their work copied in > any way and either carried out or even considered litigation? Successful or > not. I considered it a few times in the 70s when I last worked as a designer but figured it would cost many times more than the designs were worth to litigate. It seemed easier to just stop designing ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:27:18 GMT Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick Message-Id: <20050829.152755.9684.194230 [at] webmail25.lax.untd.com> If you stopped designing, who sweated the intricacies in the creation of all your great products? Stop designing? I don't think so. /s/ Richard > Has anyone any knowledge of ANY LD or SD who has had their work copied in any way and either carried out or even considered litigation? Successful or not. I considered it a few times in the 70s when I last worked as a designer but figured it would cost many times more than the designs were worth to litigate. It seemed easier to just stop designing ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43139130.6060404 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:50:24 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: plagiarism and thanks Herrick References: In-Reply-To: John McKernon wrote: >>c) I'd say the only things that get copied would be ideas, and let's be >>honest, how many of us have never seen an idea that we liked and not >>considered copying it for their own benefit? > > > That's what patents are for - > > - John I was under the impression that a patented item could be copied for personal use, but not for profit... Of course, most of the time, you can buy it cheaper than you can make it. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4313935D.1000707 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:59:41 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Points in a concrete ceiling References: In-Reply-To: wyn wrote: > On another subject my wife has asked me to find pics for her math class > of rigging failers that she can put on the wall as an example of how > math is used and what could happen if you do it wrong. > > google Jason Timberlake and atlantic city... ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: William McLachlan Subject: Cable Number labels Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:59:25 -0700 Hi all, Here's a silly question: Who can give me a source for the black-on- yellow number labels we often use to mark stage cables' lengths? I am surprised that Grainger's doesn't seem to have what we usually see for numbers (typically black-on-white or black-on-yellow printing, under shrinkwrap...) on stage pin and other cables either denoting length, or a circuit number in the case of multicable break-outs/ break-ins. I can't seem to find them online either, because your typical search for something like "cable length number labels" turns up, like, 859303848390 results. Thanks in advance, Willy ------------------------------ From: "rees" Subject: Re: Cable Number labels Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:04:10 -0400 Message-id: <4313946a.3ae.128.8325 [at] fredonia.edu> Willy, try www.panduit.com Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi all, > > Here's a silly question: Who can give me a source for the > black-on- yellow number labels we often use to mark stage > cables' lengths? ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:05:20 EDT Subject: Photo request Ok, Unca Bill, , , Mr. Salzberg and a few others requested photo of my folks "in the day" this is a link to a 1948 promo photo of my folks for their night club / supper club act that they did between off Broadway, , off off Broadway, , Broadway, , avante garde dance companies, , ballet companies, and as I had said before , they met doing G and S at the Provencetown Playhouse on MacDougal in the Village. they were typical struggling performers of the day, , it's a great photo, and a favorite of mine http://iaeginc.com/Family/anzia.htm very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:16:55 -0400 Subject: Re: Photo request From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Wow. What a great picture. Captures the moment and the era. Amazing. Thanks for sharing. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile On 8/29/05 9:05 PM, "IAEG [at] aol.com" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Ok, > > Unca Bill, , , Mr. Salzberg and a few others requested photo of my folks "in > the day" > > this is a link to a 1948 promo photo of my folks for their night club / > supper club act that they did between off Broadway, , off off Broadway, , > Broadway, > , avante garde dance companies, , ballet companies, > > and as I had said before , they met doing G and S at the Provencetown > Playhouse on MacDougal in the Village. > > they were typical struggling performers of the day, , > > it's a great photo, and a favorite of mine > > http://iaeginc.com/Family/anzia.htm > > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault > > IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group > Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ef.43087686.30450ea7 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:21:43 EDT Subject: Re: Photo request In a message dated 8/29/05 9:17:26 PM, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: << Wow. What a great picture. Captures the moment and the era. Amazing. Thanks for sharing. Bill S. >> I actually have the jacket that my father is wearing in that photo. And no I won't be wearing it at LDI. Dad turns 90 in February, Mom turns 79 this November, she runs my costume shop and is currently teaching an 8 week course in tutu construction. Dad still mows the lawn. very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050829182243.q8fkso880kwkk044 [at] www.email.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:22:43 -0700 From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Photo request References: In-Reply-To: Quoting IAEG [at] aol.com: > Ok, > > Unca Bill, , , Mr. Salzberg and a few others requested photo of my folks "in > the day" > > this is a link to a 1948 promo photo of my folks for their night club / > supper club act that they did between off Broadway, , off off > Broadway, , Broadway, > , avante garde dance companies, , ballet companies, A fine looking couple... Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music 520-621-7025 520-591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Cable Number labels Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:47:42 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c5ad04$d31880c0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Here's a silly question: Who can give me a source for the black-on- > yellow number labels we often use to mark stage cables' lengths? Go to www.mouser.com. Look under "Wire & Cable Management" and then "Wire Identification". ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050830032059.28775.qmail [at] web33110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:20:59 -0700 (PDT) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: plaigerism and thanks Herrick Steve Larson writes: >I believe that you can videotape a show for archival >purposes only, can't you. >Steve Well, not in a situation involving any of the theatrical unions, you can't. In a non-union situation, you just shouldn't. Unfortunately, it's a very pervasive myth that you can. I wrote a long post on this a couple months ago. Let me just say, in the short form, that from the Actors' Equity Association point of view, an "archival video" is a video that is going to be stored in an actual ARCHIVE, like the Lincoln Center Library, or the Goodspeed Opera House Archive. A video that is going to sit on the Artistic Director's shelf until he wants to use it to rip off the work of the director, choreographer, or designers is not an archival video, even though they probably called it one in order to get permission to make it. The IATSE and the Musicians generally frown upon filming too - or they charge a higher "commercial" rate for a performance that is being filmed. I'd be amazed if the standard USA design contracts don't include some prohibition about filming as well. It's the oldest game in the book - the Producer, Artistic Director, or whoever asks the actors if they can film the show. Usually, they tell them that they have a "tradition" of doing this, that it is only for "archival" (magic word!)purposes, and although everyone here would be extremely distressed and crushed not to be able to capture your brilliant performances on tape for all time, it is, of course, up to you to allow us to do this . . . or not. The thing is, in order for an Equity show to be taped, you generally need permission from AEA *AND* from all the Equity actors in the performance. One without the other will not cut it. AEA generally requires huge assurances about what the purpose of the tape is, where it will be stored, who will be allowed to view it, and etc. Frankly, it is EXCEEDINGLY rare for them to grant permission for a recording that is not destined for a recognized archive. They frown on the "sitting on the artistic director's shelf" variety quite a bit. The "We'll just make a billion copies so everyone involved can have one" variety are right out. In a totally non-union situation, it might be legal to do, but I think it's still a bad idea. For one thing, live performances just don't come off as well on video as they do live. Everyone involved will say that they will make allowances for the different format, but you can't, really. Besides performers, designs often don't come off particularly well on video. The color balance is off, the light balance is off, etc. The endless threads on this list from the LDs trying to get decent pictures of their own designs are a testament to how difficult it can be to capture such a thing on film. But, it doesn't stop Artistic Directors from looking at videos to decide if they like the work of a specific designer or performer, or giving such a video to a specific director, designer, or performer and insisting that they copy it. Be suspicious of the motives of those wishing to make "archival" videos . . . June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #504 *****************************