Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24545106; Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:01:47 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #507 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:00:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #507 1. Re: Ghost light + ready made by "LES LIND" 2. Re: on a serious note by "Paul Schreiner" 3. Re: on a serious note by Bill Sapsis 4. Re: on a serious note by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 5. Re: on a serious note by IAEG [at] aol.com 6. Re: Cable Number labels by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" 7. Re: Ghost light + ready made by "Davis, Thomas J" 8. Re: Cable Number labels by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 9. Relief for New Orleans by "RODOK!!!" 10. RC4 needs help at LDI by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 11. Re: Stage floor staining by "Haagen Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT" 12. Re: Ghost light + ready made by Jerry Durand 13. Re: Stage floor staining by "Jon Ares" 14. Re: Ghost light + ready made by "Jon Ares" 15. Re: Ghost light + ready made by Jerry Durand 16. Sapsis poll by Mark O'Brien 17. Re: Sapsis poll by "Paul Schreiner" 18. Re: Ghost light by "C. Dopher" 19. Re: Ghost light + ready made by Mike Voytko 20. Ethics by "C. Dopher" 21. Re: Sapsis poll by Stephen Litterst 22. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by MissWisc [at] aol.com 23. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by IAEG [at] aol.com 24. Re: Ethics by MissWisc [at] aol.com 25. Re: on a serious note by Wood Chip-P26398 26. Anyone own a used plotter? by Herrick Goldman 27. Re: on a serious note by "Peter Scheu" 28. Re: on a serious note by "Paul Schreiner" 29. Re: Ethics by Herrick Goldman 30. Re: on a serious note by "Jon Ares" 31. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by Charlie Richmond 32. Re: on a serious note by "Peter Scheu" 33. Re: on a serious note by "Paul Schreiner" 34. Re: on a serious note by "Paul Schreiner" 35. Re: on a serious note by Stephen Litterst 36. Re: on a serious note by "Don Taco" 37. Re: on a serious note by "Donald Robert Fox" 38. Re: Ethics by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 39. Katrina rebuilding by Jerry Durand 40. Re: on a serious note by "Jon Ares" 41. Re: on a serious note by Kevin Lee Allen 42. Collage Fair NYC-Sept. 24th by CB 43. Plagiarism by CB 44. Re: on a not-really-serious-anymore note by "Fred Schoening" 45. Re: on a serious note by CB 46. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by "Josh Ratty" 47. Re: Relief for New Orleans by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 48. Re: OSHA lifting limitations by CB 49. Re: on a not-really-serious-anymore note by IAEG [at] aol.com 50. Re: Anyone own a used plotter? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 51. Hudson River by "Steve B." 52. Re: on a serious note by "Steve B." 53. Re: OSHA lifting limitations by "Chris Warner" 54. Re: on a not-really-serious-anymore note by gregg hillmar 55. Re: on a serious note by Dale Farmer 56. Re: on a serious note by Stuart Wheaton 57. Re: on a serious note by Dale Farmer 58. Re: on a serious note by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 59. Re: OSHA lifting limitations by "Bill Nelson" 60. Re: Relief for New Orleans by Erwin Rol *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-Id: Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 07:42:08 -0400 From: "LES LIND" Subject: Re: Ghost light + ready made Here at the high school I just scabbed together some scrap 1x to make a ghost light, an 'X' base with a standard about 5 foot high. Put a ceramic (maybe plastic) lamp holder on top and screwed a lamp cage on that I bought at Ace (maybe Lowes). It's been years since I made it. Added a low wattage bulb and a hanger for the extra long cord while being stored off stage. All parts are UL listed except the 1x, however it's obviously not commercial made. Les Les Lind, TD NHS Dramatics Northeastern High School Manchester, PA ------------------------------ Subject: RE: on a serious note Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:08:22 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C8F2 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > > Global warming still hasn't been proven, let alone proven to be=20 > > man-made. >=20 >=20 > ?????????? >=20 > ...whatever..... It's not hard to prove that the earth has been warming up considerably the last few decades. Just look at average mean temperatures. I'll underwhelmingly agree with the second part though. As much as I hate to admit it, and as much as it goes against my gut instinct, the innate complexity of climate systems completely rebuffs any attempts we might make at "total" understanding. It can't be stated with complete certainty that the latest trend of warming is "caused" by Homo sapiens; yes, the correlations are there, but coincidence doesn't imply causation. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 08:34:17 -0400 Subject: Re: on a serious note From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: The lack of exact scientific evidence does not release us homo sapiens from our obligation to not screw the planet up for our great grand children. The excesses of the last few generations will be visited upon the next few unless we wake the hell up and start doing something about it. We can argue about whether it's happening or not but all you have to do is fly once into any major city to see what the air quality is like. And when was the last time you went swimming in the local creek? We all have a responsibility here. Question. How many of you are driving an Ultra Low Vehicle Emissions car or a Hybrid? How many of you have a recycling program at work that goes beyond glass and soda cans? And of those of you that do have the above, how many of you are nagging your friends and neighbors to get the same programs going. I don't give a rat's patootie about the politics of the enviroment. Talking about this sort of thing is very easy. What everyone needs to do is actually do something about it...without waiting for the 'other guy' to do something. End of Rant (for the moment) Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile On 9/1/05 8:08 AM, "Paul Schreiner" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > It's not hard to prove that the earth has been warming up considerably > the last few decades. Just look at average mean temperatures. > > I'll underwhelmingly agree with the second part though. As much as I > hate to admit it, and as much as it goes against my gut instinct, the > innate complexity of climate systems completely rebuffs any attempts we > might make at "total" understanding. It can't be stated with complete > certainty that the latest trend of warming is "caused" by Homo sapiens; > yes, the correlations are there, but coincidence doesn't imply > causation. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: on a serious note Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:39:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000901c5aef2$2dd26910$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > And when was the last time you went swimming in the > local creek? My local creek is the Hudson River; if it's all the same, I'd rather not swim in it. ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:04:32 EDT Subject: Re: on a serious note In a message dated 9/1/05 8:35:06 AM, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: << I don't give a rat's patootie about the politics of the enviroment. Talking about this sort of thing is very easy. What everyone needs to do is actually do something about it...without waiting for the 'other guy' to do something. >> and I want to know when Unca Bill is running for office, , , I might move just to vote for him very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:26:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Cable Number labels From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hi Steve, Just a quickie to say hi I have landed on my feet after a rather difficult summer. I am now in Michigan and a full fledged TD. Teaching Stagecraft but not faculty. Millikin decided to cut the budget by eliminating my position. It was a tough job market this summer. But this looks promising so far. The town is small and we like that. The money is good and we like that better. I am a 1 man band in the Shop though, no forman or any assistant except the students. But my Designer is a nice guy and things are going well. Hope all is well in your part of the world. Merel ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Ghost light + ready made Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:44:31 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A9230 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" Dale wrote: To really mess with their heads, find a semi random delay timer. they 'turn it off', the light goes out, and a few seconds later, another light turns on. --Dale C'mon people, why do you think we save all that stuff in the prop room? Get down there, pull out Hamlet's dad, Banquo's ghost, or (my own personal favorite) the giant bat from Dracula with the glowing red eyes. Set up the sound system with something from "Phantom", or the theme from Jaws.... There is a REASON why it's called a "ghost" light, after all. TD ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Cable Number labels Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:46:11 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c5aefb$86fc4070$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > But my Designer is a nice guy They're all nice before the first build. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4317133D.20006 [at] telus.net> Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 08:42:05 -0600 From: "RODOK!!!" Subject: Relief for New Orleans References: In-Reply-To: Been to Holland? A good part of that country has potential to be underwater and some of its inhabited area has been flooded, by accident and at least once intentionally over the last hundred years. It is very strange to see cruise ships and destroyers at 20 or 30 feet above the horizon. Many Netherlanders wonder who would live in tornado country? Or earthquake prone areas..or in the shadow of a volcano...or where the temperature dives to minus 30 degrees...or.... A disaster like the hurricane is about people, and I hope that those who were so good to us this year from the University in New Orleans Music and Performing arts depts. and at the high schools schools there are ok. It's a city with a rich cultural history and tremendous, generous folks. The relief campaigns will hopefully be amazing, widespread and effective. Rod Osiowy Wild Theatre Cranbrook, BC ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RC4 needs help at LDI Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 11:26:35 -0400 Message-Id: <20050901152644.RUOV21026.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> Hi! Here at Soundsculpture / RC4 Wireless, we're getting ready for our very first appearance as an exhibitor at the LDI show. It's pretty exciting. And kinda scary too! In addition to working in our booth, I'm one of the presenters at the Wireless Dimming seminar, part of the LDI Conference (see http://ets-ldi.com/conference/bios/wireless_dimming_session/). Herein lies our problem: the seminar happens during a time when our booth is open. Is there anybody out there that will be at LDI (or is thinking of attending) and could help us out from 3:00pm to 6:00pm on Friday Nov 11? In return, we can give you a Conference Pass (worth $495US) that will get you into any of the seminars as well as the tradeshow, plus $100US cash spending money. I'm sorry we can't provide travel or accommodation. We're looking for people who can get themselves to the show. If you like our RC4 Wireless stuff and don't mind wearing one of our T-shirts, please call or email. We could REALLY use your help!! MOST Sincerely, Jim Smith, President and Product Designer RC4 Wireless Dimming 1-866-258-4577 jsmith [at] theatrewireless.com www.theatrewireless.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Stage floor staining Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:47:36 -0600 Message-ID: <67CADCB91D266042A8DAB3B981DCFD14FD4BDC [at] AFAMAIL2.USAFA.afspc.ds.af.mil> From: "Haagen Trey P Civ 34 TRW/SDAT" We have just had our stage floor re-stained. Unsuccessfully, at least to my liking. We have 5000 square feet of oak floor. No masonite, hardboard or stagelam. Oak. Every two or three years We have the stage floor sanded down to bare wood, plug any holes that have been missed over the years during maintenance, filled then stained. We have used Bona Woodline Ebony stain. Float a thick coat on, let it sit for a few days, lightly sand, fix holes and scratches we missed then float another coat, let dry for a few=20 days then screen down the sheen. The result has been a very nice, flat black stage floor=20 that has not been replaced in 50 years. (I have not been here that long) Bona no longer manufactures that line of stain. Our long time floor contractor has had to use a different product. The results are just satisfactory. In speaking with the=20 Bona distributor, he tells me that they "paint" stage floors. While I am not opposed to painting the stage floor, my query is has this been successful in other venues? Does it really last as long as the stain (2-3 years) without constant recoats? Is peeling a problem after a few productions come in, lag to the floor and moisture can get in between the boards=20 and the paint? =20 =20 Trey Haagen Arnold Hall Theatre U.S. Air Force Academy ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050901085723.03cbf118 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 08:59:13 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Ghost light + ready made In-Reply-To: References:

At 11:36 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote: > To really mess with their heads, find a semi random delay timer. >they 'turn it off', the light goes out, and a few seconds later, another >light turns on. Or, the single light turns off. Security leaves the room. THEN the light comes back on. They come by on their next round...it's back on. They rotate the switch again (use a rotary switch so there's no "OFF" position) and it goes off...until they leave. Shortly you'll hear about there really being a ghost there. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000901c5af0e$eb4d1eb0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Stage floor staining Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:05:06 -0700 > While I > am not opposed to > painting the stage floor, my query is has this been successful in other > venues? Does it > really last as long as the stain (2-3 years) without constant recoats? > Is peeling a problem > after a few productions come in, lag to the floor and moisture can get > in between the boards > and the paint? While I can't answer with any authority, I would say that the 'best' looking stage floors I've ever worked on were stained floors. (When they're in good condition, and not riddled with gouges, plugs of the wrong wood, etc.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000d01c5af0f$0cc84970$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Ghost light + ready made Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:06:02 -0700 > Or, the single light turns off. Security leaves the room. THEN the > light comes back on. They come by on their next round...it's back > on. They rotate the switch again (use a rotary switch so there's no > "OFF" position) and it goes off...until they leave. > This is precisely the gag I was going to suggest!! :) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050901091359.03cc79d8 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 09:14:53 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Ghost light + ready made In-Reply-To: References:

At 09:06 AM 9/1/2005, you wrote: >>Or, the single light turns off. Security leaves the room. THEN >>the light comes back on. They come by on their next round...it's >>back on. They rotate the switch again (use a rotary switch so >>there's no "OFF" position) and it goes off...until they leave. > > >This is precisely the gag I was going to suggest!! :) Simple, subtle, easy to do. The hard part with something like this is keeping a straight face as the superstition spreads. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <57b609a088d7d7cd1e945f550d432fa4 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Sapsis poll Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:28:23 -0700 On Sep 1, 2005, at 5:34 AM, Bill Sapsis wrote: > > Question. How many of you are driving an Ultra Low Vehicle Emissions > car or > a Hybrid? > On gasoline, my truck is classified as an ULEV :-) On CNG, my truck is classified as a SULEV :-)) > How many of you have a recycling program at work that goes beyond > glass and > soda cans? Steel cutoffs go to the smelter. :-) Wood cutoffs go to the dump :-( Old scenery & unneeded props go to Free-cycle. Allot of the needed props come from Free-cycle. :-) Other than designing for re-use, does anyone do anything creative to reduce solid waste from the shop? > And of those of you that do have the above, how many of you are > nagging your > friends and neighbors to get the same programs going. > Damn guilty of doing nothing in this arena :-(( Mark-O Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Sapsis poll Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:50:16 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C8F3 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Old scenery & unneeded props go to Free-cycle. Allot of the needed=20 > props come from Free-cycle. :-) I just signed up for the local Freecycle group a few weeks ago...have already gotten a few props leads, and relieved myself of some old rough-cut scrap lumber I had lying around for someone who wanted to build a non-load bearing basement partition. Great resource. I just wish I knew more about appliance repair and electronics. There's been a few big-screen and flat-panel TVs come through that need fixing before use! > Other than designing for re-use, does anyone do anything creative to=20 > reduce solid waste from the shop? That's one of the reasons I'm switching over to pocket hole construction for most of my flats. One of the things about standard flats that I always hated (and why I've been so reticent about building them, except when expressly needed in the past) was that because of the gluing involved in the application of the corner blocks and keystones, most of the rest of the material was pretty much worthless after one use unless it was going into stock. With pocket holes, I can unscrew and disassemble as easily as I can with hollywood flats. One thing to check into for those of you in institutional settings...this is the second college I've worked at where the boilers (or at least some of them) are old-fashioned sawdust-powered ones. When I toss lumber into the dumpster, Buildings and Grounds comes around on a regular basis and sifts through my leavings to take what they can to fuel the boilers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:57:52 -0400 Subject: Re: Ghost light From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 8/31/05 11:00 AM, "Mat Goebel" wrote: > Does anyone make 'ready out of the box' ghostlights? I've only ever > seen DIY ones... Doesn't Mutual Hardware? I could be mistaken.... As for the security guys, if you have to, go above their heads. Go directly to the fire safety officer for the organization and explain the situation, along with the safety ramifications and the fact that the ghost light was first instituted to PREVENT danger. If they're willing to pay for some all-night theatre lighting, though...I say let 'em. I've seen a lot of theatres where they have one flourescent in the worklight banks wired separately and just leave it on full-time. Cris Dopher ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <75a64d50a96ef8cb45521765b908b694 [at] nyu.edu> From: Mike Voytko Subject: Re: Ghost light + ready made Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:01:11 -0400 Jeff, Maybe your guards just have a bad case of "dad reflex" ? :-) Seriously though...ghost lights, besides good common sense, are one way to comply with life-safety codes that require a minimum illumination in a theater at all times. I suggest checking with your AHJ to review the codes and help make your case. Cheers, Mike V. who, like most dads, does not own stock in Con Ed (but does pay extra for green power) On Aug 31, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Jeffrey Kanyuck wrote: > Thanks so far for the info. "I" know it's a liability issue not to have > one just as it's a liability issue that if you dig a hole you have to > cover it up so that the burglar doesn't fall in and break his neck. > Trying to convince the security division is the problem. -- Mike Voytko Lighting & Sound Supervisor TSOA Theatrical Production New York University ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:07:39 -0400 Subject: Ethics From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: I got a call two nights ago from the Artistic Director of Vital Theatre Company. He needed a designer STAT, as the one he had ditched the show. Show opens Sep 10 and hangs this weekend. Out of curiosity, I asked what happened to their other designer; he said the designer had gotten a Broadway assisting gig and was "too bad, so sad, buh-bye". Now I'm the first person to say that when it comes along, you should take the Broadway assisting gig. When it comes along, you should take the $1064/wk gig v. $200 design fee gig (yes, those are the nubmers). But I fail to understand how a) the designer couldn't have known about a schedule conflict in advance, if the B-way show goes into tech this week, and/or b) the designer couldn't balance getting his design finished while working on the pre-tech details for the Broadway show. I'm wondering if this was bad ethics, bad planning or what... And am I the only one who feels like having taken a show, you finish it. I'm particularly interested in the opinions of Herrick, Stan, John, and others who've employed B-way assistants. Oh, and I didn't take the gig; didn't fit the schedule. Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:32:19 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Sapsis poll In-reply-to: Message-id: <43173B23.9000702 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: >>Other than designing for re-use, does anyone do anything creative to >>reduce solid waste from the shop? We call the recycling guy on campus the week before strike and walk him through what we'll dispose. Word goes out through campus and the dumpster usually empties about halfway before it's hauled away to the campus composter. I'm told there are a few houses in town with additions made from our sets. But mostly we re-use. In my first year, after a visit from the recycling guy I tracked a shipment of wood. Most of it was used in 2-3 shows before being discarded. That reduced a lot of the pressure from people who thought we were being overly wasteful. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <83.2efbf84d.30489b05 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:57:25 EDT Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) _bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com_ (mailto:bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com) writes: <> Bought mine before they were available. I do regular maintenance, keep tires inflated, run AC only when necessary, combine trips (I was a kid during the 1970s's gas crisis and we wouldn't leave the house unless we had at least three reasons to go to town.) and run it until it can run no more (200,000+ miles is not unusual in our household.) If I'm going downtown, I'll park my car in one place and walk to all the others. At the supermarket, park by a cart-return and walk. Learned long ago the waste in driving around looking for a closer parking space when my body could use the exercise and the car is less likely to get dinged if it's not next to the lemming pool by the door. We ride bikes and I'm learning how to ride a motorcycle too. Fun and saves gas! Turn off lights at home, keep air ducts clean, refrigerator coils clean, and only run the dishwasher when full. Hang most clothes to dry, take fast showers, use the cieling fan rather than the AC when possible (keep AC at 78 or higher) keep heat at 68, turn off when leaving townall that has been part of my life since day one. <> Paper, plastics too. All is recycled at home as well as at most of the places I work/go to. It's a state law here, but some counties are better at enforcing it than others. The paper one is HUGE in this area because many of the local paper manufacturers are able to use it for "post consumer paper goods." So it not only helps the environment, it also means a good supply of raw materials for local businesses. <> Where do you think I learned it from? ;) We still have "curbside recycling" where if you have something that is nice, you just set it on the curb AFTER the trash pick up and someone else driving by will usually pick it up. I've seen lots of furniture, sporting goods, Kids toys and the like. To respond to different emails ... an "act of God" is the same as an "act of nature". George Bush isn't powerful enough to affect either. I do agree that mankind has been playing with things far too much. When the TV said they were putting people in the Superdome, I told my husband "That's not a strong enough structure! You don't put people under a roof span that great in a tornado, shouldn't do it in a hurricane either. The roof won't make it through those high winds and if there is any breach or the storm surge overfloods the levees, the whole city will flood!" Heck if little old me in tinytown WI knew that, why didn't the FEMA/engineer/PTB folks figure it out? My local stream is the Fox River and thought it's clean enough to swim in they are dredging PCBs out of it just slightly up river from me. I prefer the hotel pool - the heated one. Unkle Bill is right... think globally but make certain your local actions follow your mouth. So lets look at this from a local theatre perspective: Are you are using enviromentally friendly products in your shop? Are you disposing of waste properly? Are you re-using set pieces and salvageable materials? (Yes, I know re-using screws is dumb... but you might be able to use parts of other things.) Are you borrowing/renting when possible rather than rebuilding the wheel? When did you last clean out your costume shop (or personal closet) and donated/sold whats not reasonably going to be used? Every little bit helps. Kristi ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <217.83e3a7b.30489c02 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:01:38 EDT Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) In a message dated 9/1/05 1:58:25 PM, MissWisc [at] aol.com writes: << I told my husband "That's not a strong enough structure! You don't put people under a roof span that great in a tornado, shouldn't do it in a hurricane either. The roof won't make it through those high winds and if there is any breach or the storm surge overfloods the levees, the whole city will flood!" Heck if little old me in tinytown WI knew that, why didn't the FEMA/engineer/PTB folks figure it out? >> likewise, if they knew a CAT 4 - 5 hurricane was on it's way to this region, , with the large populations of poor folks AND the levy issues why did it take them a day AFTER if hit to decide to send US Navy Hospital ships from NORFOLK to New Orleans ? ( when will they reach there ? ? ? after New Orelans is evacutated perhaps ? ) couldn't someone have said "ahhh, , gee , , , these ougth to be on there way NOW !!!! " makes ya wonder, , , very best, Keith Arsenault President IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <60.5cb5a82b.30489c2e [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:02:22 EDT Subject: Re: Ethics brooklyn [at] dopher.com writes: <> Why I would hire you and not the other guy... you keep your word. That trust is worth far more than $800 in this business. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2E3198416D5E7A4FB3FEC7E6838FE36B0B1A2B [at] ct11exm60.ds.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: on a serious note Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 11:04:58 -0700 The exact reply from the tobacco companies for about 75 years. Finally caught up with them. Chip -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner It can't be stated with complete certainty that the latest trend of warming is "caused" by Homo sapiens; yes, the correlations are there, but coincidence doesn't imply causation. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:08:47 -0400 Subject: Anyone own a used plotter? From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: Hey gang, The time has come for me to own my own plotter and to stop paying KINKOS. Anyone got one slightly used? Contact me off list. Must be compatible with MAC. And yes...I'm checking EBAY as soon as I hit send. -H -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: on a serious note Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:13:10 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: As with everyone, my heart goes out to all those affected. Yes, this was an "Act of God", but what immediately made me angry as I = saw all the horrific images coming through my TV was it appeared that only = those with access to cars and cash got out early, leaving the poor and disadvantaged to fend for themselves. The gub'ment dropped the ball in = not assisting those who wanted to get out but couldn't. Where were all the school busses to evacuate poor folk to Houston BEFORE the storm hit? Shameful! Peter Scheu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: on a serious note Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:18:36 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C8F6 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com > Yes, this was an "Act of God", but what immediately made me=20 > angry as I saw all the horrific images coming through my TV=20 > was it appeared that only those with access to cars and cash=20 > got out early, leaving the poor and disadvantaged to fend for=20 > themselves. The gub'ment dropped the ball in not assisting=20 > those who wanted to get out but couldn't. Where were all the=20 > school busses to evacuate poor folk to Houston BEFORE the storm hit? And how many people will keep this tidbit of info in mind when they sit at home all warm n' comfy watching the evening news spouting epithets at the looters who are those very same left-behind folks who, in (most likely) nearly all cases, are probably just trying to find stuff they can pawn or trade for the food and clothes they don't have and can't get? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 14:22:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Ethics From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Cris, I'd love to know who this designer is...But it's probably better I don't. You take the job you do it. If you can't do it yourself you replace yourself even if it costs you. If I get a higher paying gig I'll hire an assistant out of my own pocket to take care of the one I have to switch out of. I will also burn the midnight oil to do as much pre-design work with the assistant as possible. Essentially I am still designing the show. At worst..since all my assistants are good designers...the producer is getting 2 creative minds on the project. FWIW this has happened twice to me in the past month and I have bent over backwards to keep all the balls in the air. I have even gone so far as to have 2 shows opening on the same day 9/13 in 2 different theaters. So far so good. A week ago I almost hired CB or Willy to cover for me on part of a gig in Phoenix but it's possible that Brother Finney beat me out for the job. (still waiting for that e-mail Michael) BTW Dopher are you busy on the 11th-13th? I have a theater company that needs an LD for a benefit. -H On 9/1/05 1:07 PM, "C. Dopher" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I got a call two nights ago from the Artistic Director of Vital Theatre > Company. He needed a designer STAT, as the one he had ditched the show. > Show opens Sep 10 and hangs this weekend. Out of curiosity, I asked what > happened to their other designer; he said the designer had gotten a Broadway > assisting gig and was "too bad, so sad, buh-bye". > > Now I'm the first person to say that when it comes along, you should take > the Broadway assisting gig. When it comes along, you should take the > $1064/wk gig v. $200 design fee gig (yes, those are the nubmers). But I > fail to understand how a) the designer couldn't have known about a schedule > conflict in advance, if the B-way show goes into tech this week, and/or b) > the designer couldn't balance getting his design finished while working on > the pre-tech details for the Broadway show. > > I'm wondering if this was bad ethics, bad planning or what... And am I the > only one who feels like having taken a show, you finish it. I'm > particularly interested in the opinions of Herrick, Stan, John, and others > who've employed B-way assistants. > > Oh, and I didn't take the gig; didn't fit the schedule. > > Cris Dopher > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002301c5af22$40e140a0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: on a serious note Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 11:23:30 -0700 > And how many people will keep this tidbit of info in mind when they sit > at home all warm n' comfy watching the evening news spouting epithets at > the looters who are those very same left-behind folks who, in (most > likely) nearly all cases, are probably just trying to find stuff they > can pawn or trade for the food and clothes they don't have and can't > get? > I wish I could believe the looters taking guns, ammo and drugs are intending to re-sell for bread and water. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 19:29:48 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > We ride bikes and I'm learning how to ride a motorcycle too. Fun and saves > gas! We ride our bikes whenever possible and use the bus and other public transport otherwise. Don't own a vehicle in London other than bikes and nifty push scooters that can be folded and checked at the coat check or even put under the theatre seat... The company owns a van in Vancouver but it gets used so rarely to haul things around the battery gets disconnected in between times.... > Turn off lights at home, keep air ducts clean, refrigerator coils clean, and All lamps at home (both places) are CFL and the fridge actually stands free so the coils are out in the open.... > only run the dishwasher when full. Hang most clothes to dry, take fast Um.... no dishwasher ;-) Have a combo washer/dryer but only use the dryer if something has to be dried really fast.... > showers, use the cieling fan rather than the AC when possible (keep AC at 78 or No AC.... 'fortunate' to live in places where the weather is most inclement ;-) > < soda cans?>> > Paper, plastics too. All is recycled at home as well as at most of the We've been recycling everything possible for the last 15 years both at home and at work. Before the city provided the service we hauled it ourselves when things piled up sufficiently and then used a private service for a while when they came in... > < your > friends and neighbors to get the same programs going.>> > Where do you think I learned it from? ;) We still have "curbside recycling" This form of recycling is rampant everywhere we are these days! > My local stream is the Fox River and thought it's clean enough to swim in Our local river is now the Thames and it's now got lots of fish in it. It's got extremely swift tides and is very silty so is dangerous to swim in for those reasons mainly. Of course it used to be horrendous! And in Vancouver, the Fraser River (one of the longest in the world) is pretty dirty considering all the pulp mills and cities and towns that pump raw sewage into it over its 1700 mile length.... Of course it still has lots of Salmon that go up a long way to spawn every year, but that's generally becoming fewer and fewer the more they are overfished... but that's another story completely! > Are you are using enviromentally friendly products in your shop? Not just that but trying to keep the use of products down to an absolute minimum. We are very portable these days and find it's much easier to scan documents we need and store them on the hard drive -- or better yet, never even put them on paper!! > Are you disposing of waste properly? Recycling absolutely everything possible... > Are you re-using set pieces and salvageable materials? (Yes, I know re-using > screws is dumb... but you might be able to use parts of other things.) I'm the type of person who re-uses screws... > When did you last clean out your costume shop (or personal closet) and > donated/sold whats not reasonably going to be used? Had an enormous cleanout of the closet when we moved to a different continent and only took suitcases like going on a holiday ;-) > Every little bit helps. Yep! Nice thread... better to talk about what can be done than argue over what wasn't.... Charlie ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: on a serious note Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:29:45 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: >And how many people will keep this tidbit of info in mind when >they sit at home all warm n' comfy watching the evening news >spouting epithets at the looters who are those very same >left-behind folks who, in (most >likely) nearly all cases, are probably just trying to find >stuff they can pawn or trade for the food and clothes they >don't have and can't get? While I would NEVER, EVER begrudge the "emergency procurement" food or anything else necessary for survival, I think most of us would have a problem with the looting guns out of the Wal-mart, or absconding with a TV that you won't be able to watch for weeks to come. Are you really going to carry that thing on the evacuation bus? There's no moral dilemma here for me. One is right, one is wrong. Peter Scheu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: on a serious note Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:55:26 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C8F7 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com > While I would NEVER, EVER begrudge the "emergency=20 > procurement" food or anything else necessary for survival, I=20 > think most of us would have a problem with the looting guns=20 > out of the Wal-mart, or absconding with a TV that you won't=20 > be able to watch for weeks to come. Are you really going to=20 > carry that thing on the evacuation bus? >=20 > There's no moral dilemma here for me. One is right, one is wrong. While I'm not excusing any of the non-essentials that are getting looted, Peter, since you brought up the fact that those left behind were the ones least economically able to get themselves to safety, it's understandable for some of those to have had their frustrations boiling over. And then it becomes natural for them to lash out, as it were, by scoring some of the goodies that they otherwise would probably never see legally. Yes, I'm speaking in sweeping generalities now, and sounding like an apologist. But in reality, let's face it...unless we understand the motivations behind actions like these, it's gonna be hard to really bring a peaceful end to them. We're always going to have disasters, we're always going to have haves and have-nots, and we're always going to have demonstrations like we see now. Following the same idea tossed out earlier, instead of judging it, we should be preventing it. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: on a serious note Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:58:45 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C8F8 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > I wish I could believe the looters taking guns, ammo and=20 > drugs are intending=20 > to re-sell for bread and water. Think there aren't some folks down there in ultra-survivalist mode right now? Rabid peacenik that I am, I still can't say for sure that I wouldn't be doing the same thing in their shoes, at least with the guns and ammo. Drugs? Well, there's bound to be a shortage of good beer for a while... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:24:25 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: on a serious note In-reply-to: Message-id: <43175569.4010102 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Paul Schreiner wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- Well, there's bound to be a shortage of good beer for > a while... Ok Stagecrafters, time to do your part. If every one of us buys a six-pack of Leinies and sends it down, we can make sure no one lacks for good beer. Steve L. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <024a01c5af2c$11886360$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References:

Subject: Re: on a serious note Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:33:39 -0700 > I wish I could believe the looters taking guns, ammo and drugs are > intending to re-sell for bread and water. > > - Jon Ares Well, with the sewer system compromised, and floodwaters in the streets, they're just trying to defend themselves from the giant white alligators, aren't they? Or am I being too naive? ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Donald Robert Fox" Subject: Re: on a serious note Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:57:35 +0000

why just lienies why not some guinness he has lots of iron

Donald Robert Fox, M.F.A.

USA-AEA-IALD

Asst. Professor of Design

University of the Incarnate Word

Dept. of Theatre Arts

From:  Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Reply-To:  "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
To:  "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Subject:  Re: on a serious note
Date:  Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:24:25 -0400
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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Paul Schreiner wrote:
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   Well, there's bound to be a shortage of good beer for
>a while...

Ok Stagecrafters, time to do your part.  If every one of us buys a six-pack of Leinies and sends it down, we can make sure no one lacks for good beer.

Steve L.

------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Ethics Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:11:42 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c5af31$61d42ac0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I'm wondering if this was bad ethics It was bad ethics. You may recall that I posted that something similar happened to me recently; if you don't mind (and if you know the person's name), would you email me offlist? I'm curious as to whether it's the same person. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050901155755.03c6d690 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:02:58 -0700 Cc: Show-Control [at] yahoogroups.com From: Jerry Durand Subject: Katrina rebuilding In order to help out the rebuilding after the storm, any orders for our lighting products to be used in the rebuilding will receive a 25% discount. Be sure to mention that the order is for the rebuilding to get the discount. I know at least one of our clients is under water in N.O., I hope everyone got out ok. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000901c5af4e$660f8450$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: on a serious note Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:39:30 -0700 > Think there aren't some folks down there in ultra-survivalist mode right > now? Rabid peacenik that I am, I still can't say for sure that I > wouldn't be doing the same thing in their shoes, at least with the guns > and ammo. Drugs? Well, there's bound to be a shortage of good beer for > a while... Speaking of looting and beer - watching the news earlier today, I saw footage of what appeared to be a looter quite carefully picking through the beer cooler in a darkened NO store - seemed to be quite particular as to which beer he was going to take. :) (Didn't see what he ultimately got - can't comment on his taste (or lack thereof)...) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:07:21 -0400 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: on a serious note In-reply-to: Message-id: <4991612B-4077-4DDD-A9D6-841E4BCB7ACC [at] klad.com> References:

from Wonkette "Johnny Whites Sports Bar on Bourbon Street was on throughout the =20 storm and never closed until late Wednesday afternoon. They ran out =20 of booze. Perry Bailey 60, pours a vodka and water for a loyal =20 customer early Wednesday morning." Ya gotta love the spirit On Sep 1, 2005, at 7:39 PM, Jon Ares wrote: > Speaking of looting and beer - watching the news earlier today, I =20 > saw footage of what appeared to be a looter quite carefully picking =20= > through the beer cooler in a darkened NO store - seemed to be quite =20= > particular as to which beer he was going to take. :) (Didn't see =20= > what he ultimately got - can't comment on his taste (or lack =20 > thereof)...) ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050901165822.00cdcc90 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:58:22 From: CB Subject: Collage Fair NYC-Sept. 24th >You may want to talk to CB about some spellcheck. >Lighting Designer, NYC Hmmm? Wha? Me!?! Nonononononono, dear Herrick. The only key that I'm really good at is the 'delete' key. The rest is like herding cats. Not only do I have the dyslexia to contend with, I have the really phat phingers. I do know how to spell, and can spell well, its translating that to the written word via the keyboard that is the hurdle for me. PEBCAK. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050901170453.00cdcc90 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 17:04:53 From: CB Subject: Plagiarism >Am I the only one made crazy by the mispelling in the subject line? Ah, the one benefit of dyslexia. It looked fine to me! Actually, mispellings are one of my pet peeves, as I try so hard with the dyslexia. ------------------------------ From: "Fred Schoening" Subject: RE: on a not-really-serious-anymore note Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 19:27:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000201c5af55$2c9e9b00$1f8afea9 [at] PRODIGALBRAIN> In-Reply-To: Oh, I dunno... Some of us former Pennsylvanians might do you one better and send them some Yuengling - as soon as I can get my hands on some! (Although, the Shiner Bock that they serve 'round these parts makes a pretty tasty substitute in a pinch.) :P "Big Fred" Schoening Technical Director Dallas Theater Center Dallas, Texas, USA "...a root word of technology, techne, originally meant 'art.' The ancient Greeks never separated art from manufacture in their minds, and so never developed separate words for them." - Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance -----Original Message----- If every one of us buys a six-pack of Leinies and sends it down, we can make sure no one lacks for good beer. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050901171744.00cdcc90 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 17:17:44 From: CB Subject: Re: on a serious note >I can't help but wonder, however, how soon this storm and devastation >will be blamed on President Bush. While no rational person could point to the man and suggest that he, personally, was responsible for the storm, his administration will have to answer (and the questions have already started) as to why, when they were notified that this was an imminent possibility, they preferred to wait until it happened and then fix it rather than fix it before it happened. Ounce of prevention and all that. Last time I was in NO it was being discussed, and there has even been (IIRC) an NPR program about it. I've just made the decision to follow through with the our that I've signed up with (they just lost their A1, I fly next week) instead of going out to New Orleans and other parts south. I have the responsibility of the tour that I promised I'd do, and presently they are asking volunteers that are *not* healthcare/search and rescue/law enforcement types to volunteer elsewhere, and keep the area clear of potential additional victims. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:30:27 -0400 From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: on a serious note (and additional comments) In-reply-to: Message-id: <00f001c5af55$84c4fb30$0201000a [at] Rattys> -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of MissWisc [at] aol.com Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 12:57 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) "run AC only when necessary" FYi in some instances driving with the windows open and AC off can waste more fuel than windows up and AC on due to wind resistance. I usually do just that when driving on the highway, and shut it off and roll down the windows for city driving. "When the TV said they were putting people in the Superdome, I told my husband "That's not a strong enough structure! You don't put people under a roof span that great in a tornado, shouldn't do it in a hurricane either. The roof won't make it through those high winds and if there is any breach or the storm surge overfloods the levees, the whole city will flood!" Heck if little old me in tinytown WI knew that, why didn't the FEMA/engineer/PTB folks figure it out?" They knew it wasn't a good idea. They said from the very beginning that it would only be a shelter of last resort. I suppose if my choices were completely exposed out in the open or in the superdome, I'd take my chances under the big roof. All in all this is a very unfortunate disaster and I certainly wish for the best for all those affected. Josh Ratty ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 00:33:38 GMT Subject: Re: Relief for New Orleans Message-Id: <20050901.173344.24994.247977 [at] webmail33.lax.untd.com> Dear Rod, I can only speak of Earthquake Country. The refreshing foot message is over in seconds, there is relatively little water to mop up except on the floor of certain retail stores, and roofs in LA mostly stay on. /s/ Richard Many Netherlanders wonder who would live in tornado country? Or earthquake prone areas..or in the shadow of a volcano...or where the temperature dives to minus 30 degrees...or.... Rod Osiowy ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050901172407.00cdcc90 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 17:24:07 From: CB Subject: Re: OSHA lifting limitations >No, it was a 75lb battery that had to be lifted to a roof. I >repair/maintain emergency lighting systems for a living (well until I >get my MFA in design) and a battery had failed in this inverter. Ehm, you may want to consider working in a theatre until you get your degree. Not only would it strengthen your designs later on (we will all tell stories about designers who haven't spent any time on the deck later) it will let you do things like: tying the old battery to the rope on the other side of the pulley as a counter weight when the new one comes up, and other handy things! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <15b.58514c5c.3048f9c4 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:41:40 EDT Subject: Re: on a not-really-serious-anymore note In a message dated 9/1/05 8:28:40 PM, bigfred [at] mindspring.com writes: << Oh, I dunno... Some of us former Pennsylvanians might do you one better and send them some Yuengling - as soon as I can get my hands on some! (Although, the Shiner Bock that they serve 'round these parts makes a pretty tasty substitute in a pinch.) :P >> come to Tampa, , Yuengling took over the old Schlitz brewery here ( just north of Busch Gardens which incidently no long has a brewery on site ) so now the bay area is a southern beach head for Yuengling and doing well I might add very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 00:52:05 GMT Subject: Re: Anyone own a used plotter? Message-Id: <20050901.175917.24994.248268 [at] webmail33.lax.untd.com> Dear Herrick, No, I don't have a plotter for sale. After checking eBay, I bought a BRAND NEW DesignJet 100, shipped from HP in TX, for $800+tax&shipping. /s/ Richard Hey gang, The time has come for me to own my own plotter and to stop paying KINKOS. And yes...I'm checking EBAY as soon as I hit send. Herrick Goldman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:06:33 -0400 From: "Steve B." Subject: Hudson River Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Message-id: <002501c5af5a$8f7d7b10$6401a8c0 [at] SBFF> References: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" >> And when was the last time you went swimming in the >> local creek? > > My local creek is the Hudson River; if it's all the same, I'd rather not > swim in it. Actually, the Hudson is cleaner now then 30 years ago. You can swim in it at a very nice sandy beach, just north of Cold Spring. Course you have to watch for ticks (the area's infested) on the way to the beach !. Steve Bailey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 21:14:24 -0400 From: "Steve B." Subject: Re: on a serious note Message-id: <006901c5af5b$a80f8000$6401a8c0 [at] SBFF> References: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sapsis" > Question. How many of you are driving an Ultra Low Vehicle Emissions car > or > a Hybrid? Well, I do some of my commute to work by bicycle, does that count ?. It's 27 miles each way, so I don't do it every day and I don't ride in the winter, but I've got about 800 miles this year alone in gas saved. Not a lot of money given the effort, but it does beat the car commute, now that I'm used to rolling our at 6AM. I also get to see the Atlantic Ocean (in the NYC area known as the Rockaway's) twice a day, as well as the NY skyline. Oh, and I've lost some weight. The motor is know to pollute on occasion though. Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ From: "Chris Warner" Subject: RE: OSHA lifting limitations Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:33:28 -0700 Message-ID: <008e01c5af5e$51fbf2e0$6401a8c0 [at] chris> In-Reply-To: Ahh you assume, I haven't been working as a designer, in this area, community theaters are 75-150 seat houses, that don't pay unless they are REALLY wealthy. I have done amateur design and have actually won awards locally for my lighting and sound designs. I also volunteer at the high school, and am the TD for one the community theatres around here. Unfortunately I have to pay bills, and feed a spouse and child, so I work where I get paid, and volunteer while I work on my degree. Chris -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:24 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: OSHA lifting limitations For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >No, it was a 75lb battery that had to be lifted to a roof. I >repair/maintain emergency lighting systems for a living (well until I >get my MFA in design) and a battery had failed in this inverter. Ehm, you may want to consider working in a theatre until you get your degree. Not only would it strengthen your designs later on (we will all tell stories about designers who haven't spent any time on the deck later) it will let you do things like: tying the old battery to the rope on the other side of the pulley as a counter weight when the new one comes up, and other handy things! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/88 - Release Date: 9/1/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/88 - Release Date: 9/1/2005 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: gregg hillmar Subject: Re: on a not-really-serious-anymore note Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 21:39:28 -0400 Ah, the fresh Shiner Bock! I may have personally kept the Shiner brewery in business while in grad school in Austin... It was delightful! Of course it packed a way nasty hangover on the other side- much worse than many other beers. But boy was it worth it! Especially fresh from the brewery! I see it in cans now in many places, but it is just not the same. boy, the memories!~ g. _____________________ gregg hillmar scenic & lighting design portfolio & life as we know it: http://www.hillmardesign.com "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching." Satchel Paige On Sep 1, 2005, at 8:27 PM, Fred Schoening wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Oh, I dunno... Some of us former Pennsylvanians might do you one > better > and send them some Yuengling - as soon as I can get my hands on some! > (Although, the Shiner Bock that they serve 'round these parts makes a > pretty tasty substitute in a pinch.) :P > > "Big Fred" Schoening > Technical Director > Dallas Theater Center > Dallas, Texas, USA > > "...a root word of technology, techne, originally meant 'art.' The > ancient Greeks never separated art from manufacture in their minds, > and > so never developed separate words for them." > > - Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance > > > > -----Original Message----- > If every one of us buys a six-pack of Leinies and sends it down, > we can > make sure no one lacks for good beer. > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4317B6DA.B4126B3C [at] cybercom.net> Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 22:20:11 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: on a serious note References:

Kevin Lee Allen wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > from Wonkette > > "Johnny Whites Sports Bar on Bourbon Street was on throughout the > storm and never closed until late Wednesday afternoon. They ran out > of booze. Perry Bailey 60, pours a vodka and water for a loyal > customer early Wednesday morning." > > Ya gotta love the spirit One of the news reports I heard reported that one of the bars had spray painted on the plywood over their windows. 'We ain't gonna die sober!' --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4317C55B.6020609 [at] fuse.net> Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 23:22:03 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: on a serious note References:

In-Reply-To: Dale Farmer wrote: > > In order to send the hospital ships, the navy has to staff them > up and stock up on supplies. This entails moving *lots* of cargo > onto the ship out of the warehouse, and essentially shutting down > (in this case) Bethesda Naval Hospital since the staff is going to > sail away on the ship. All those patients at Bethesda still need to > be cared for or transferred to other facilities, or a big chunk of > naval reserve medical units get activated to backfill into Bethesda. > This takes a week minimum. You could send the ship ahead > without supplies or most of it's staff, but then you would have > to fly them all down there on an already overburdened air > transport system. > OK, this is BS in so many ways... 1. We have a 'Hurricane season', therefore we can plan for them. 2. Initial predictions were for a very active year, and the prediction was revised upward later. 3. Hurricanes hit coastal communities hardest, and hospital ships are best suited to disasters near the sea. 4. At the outset of Hurricane season the ships should be readied with all non-perishable items on board and ready. 5. A few hours of forklifting and provisioning with those items requiring refridgeration or with a short shelf life should be sufficient to get them under way. 6. Aircraft travel about 30 times faster than ships. 7. Activate the reservists and send them to Tampa or Miami, we are talking about a few hundred people in small groups coming by commercial carriers. it won't overwhelm the air transport network. The big cruise lines will fall over each other to offer berth space to allow the ship to provision and take on the medical teams. If they had sent that ship to sea when the hurricane went to category IV it would BE there now. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4317CF80.E70FD20A [at] cybercom.net> Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 00:05:20 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: on a serious note References:

Stuart Wheaton wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Dale Farmer wrote: > > > > > In order to send the hospital ships, the navy has to staff them > > up and stock up on supplies. This entails moving *lots* of cargo > > onto the ship out of the warehouse, and essentially shutting down > > (in this case) Bethesda Naval Hospital since the staff is going to > > sail away on the ship. All those patients at Bethesda still need to > > be cared for or transferred to other facilities, or a big chunk of > > naval reserve medical units get activated to backfill into Bethesda. > > This takes a week minimum. You could send the ship ahead > > without supplies or most of it's staff, but then you would have > > to fly them all down there on an already overburdened air > > transport system. > > > > OK, this is BS in so many ways... > > 1. We have a 'Hurricane season', therefore we can plan for > them. Which is the job of FEMA, NOAA, and local authorities. > > 2. Initial predictions were for a very active year, and the > prediction was revised upward later. > 3. Hurricanes hit coastal communities hardest, and hospital > ships are best suited to disasters near the sea. > 4. At the outset of Hurricane season the ships should be > readied with all non-perishable items on board and ready. Non-perishables are kept on board all the time. Problem is that nearly all medical supplies are in fact perishable, they just have shelf lives varying from months to years. > > 5. A few hours of forklifting and provisioning with those > items requiring refridgeration or with a short shelf life > should be sufficient to get them under way. Food for a crew and medical staff of over a thousand souls, plus food for the up to 1000 patients that the ship can accommodate is not a couple hours of fork lifting. > > 6. Aircraft travel about 30 times faster than ships. > > 7. Activate the reservists and send them to Tampa or Miami, > we are talking about a few hundred people in small groups > coming by commercial carriers. it won't overwhelm the air > transport network. The big cruise lines will fall over each > other to offer berth space to allow the ship to provision > and take on the medical teams. > thousand plus, just for the medical staff. Cruise ship docks are not where the warehouses full of stuff are. the warehouses full of stuff for the hospital ships are basically already next to the piers where they normally berth. You'd rather have them truck it all down to wherever, then be loaded there by random stevedore crews who have never worked on this kind of ship before. Reservists are sent to Bethesda to bring that hospital back online. Last time they did it, for the gulf war, it took weeks to get everyone working together and oriented sufficiently to restore full capabilities. Active duty folks from Bethesda, who are already working as a functioning hospital staff, basically just move to the ship and keep on going there. To put this into something closer to home. You gotta rig a high wire act for the circus. Would you rather use the rigging guys who are traveling with the circus who do it all the time, or whatever five riggers who show up from the local labor company? > > If they had sent that ship to sea when the hurricane went to > category IV it would BE there now. Possible, but there is this little thing called the law getting into the way. The military isn't allowed to do stuff in the US, outside of it's bases, without specific authority. That would be the disaster declaration by the president. Then FEMA has to get their thumb out and actually ask for it. Then the military can act. Here's the navy press release describing what they are doing. FEMA pulled their thumb out on the 31st. http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=19867 Looks like they are only pulling a partial activation of the ship. --Dale ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 04:39:16 GMT Subject: Re: on a serious note Message-Id: <20050901.213931.14961.251423 [at] webmail27.lax.untd.com> Was the COMFORT or the MERCY, or both, or some other ship(s) deployed? /s/ Richard Response to:________________________ 4. At the outset of Hurricane season the ships should be readied with all non-perishable items on board and ready. 5. A few hours of forklifting and provisioning with those items requiring refridgeration or with a short shelf life should be sufficient to get them under way. 7. Activate the reservists and send them to Tampa or Miami, If they had sent that ship to sea when the hurricane went to category IV it would BE there now. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2905.64.28.48.173.1125641917.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: OSHA lifting limitations From: "Bill Nelson" >>No, it was a 75lb battery that had to be lifted to a roof. I >>repair/maintain emergency lighting systems for a living (well until I >>get my MFA in design) and a battery had failed in this inverter. > > Ehm, you may want to consider working in a theatre until you get your > degree. Not only would it strengthen your designs later on (we will all > tell stories about designers who haven't spent any time on the deck later) > it will let you do things like: tying the old battery to the rope on the > other side of the pulley as a counter weight when the new one comes up, > and other handy things! Or, attach the pulley to the battery sling. You need a tie point for the fixed end of the rope and pull up on the other. The resultant effort is approximately half the weight of the load. Bill ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Relief for New Orleans From: Erwin Rol In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 11:52:22 +0200 Message-Id: <1125654743.3108.138.camel [at] xpc.home.erwinrol.com> On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 08:42 -0600, RODOK!!! wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Been to Holland? A good part of that country has potential to be > underwater and some of its inhabited area has been flooded, by accident > and at least once intentionally over the last hundred years. It is very > strange to see cruise ships and destroyers at 20 or 30 feet above the > horizon. Many Netherlanders wonder who would live in tornado country? Or > earthquake prone areas..or in the shadow of a volcano...or where the > temperature dives to minus 30 degrees...or.... we do ? > > A disaster like the hurricane is about people, and I hope that those > who were so good to us this year from the University in New Orleans > Music and Performing arts depts. and at the high schools schools there > are ok. It's a city with a rich cultural history and tremendous, > generous folks. The relief campaigns will hopefully be amazing, > widespread and effective. Well a president that gives interviews saying he doesn't expect much from other countries and that the USA will deal with it on its own, will not do much good to get help from ppl outside the USA. - Erwin ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #507 *****************************