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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24573443; Sun, 04 Sep 2005 03:01:56 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #509 Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 03:01:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DRUGS_ERECTILE autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #509 1. Re: Doing something - student opportunity by gregg hillmar 2. Re: Doing something - student opportunity by Kacey Meaker 3. Re: Doing something - student opportunity by Jeffrey Ferrell 4. Re: on a serious note by "Paul Guncheon" 5. Re: on a serious note by "holyoak1" 6. Re: on a serious note by Charlie Richmond 7. Katrina - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List by Bruce Cooper 8. Re: on a serious note by MissWisc [at] aol.com 9. ghost lights and the environment by "David R. Krajec" 10. Re: Doing something - student opportunity by Scott Parker 11. home generators by Scott Parker 12. Re: Pepsi at the Coke show by CB 13. Re: on a serious note by Jerry Durand 14. Re: home generators by Jerry Durand 15. Computers in Architecture class by Scott Parker 16. Re: on a serious note (long and grouchy and obviously OT) by CB 17. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by "Secore, Scott" 18. Re: Ethics by "Secore, Scott" 19. Re: home generators by "Frank E. Merrill" 20. Re[2]: home generators by "Frank E. Merrill" 21. Re[2]: home generators by Jerry Durand 22. Re: home generators by "Tony Deeming" 23. Re: Computers in Architecture class by "Jon Ares" 24. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by Charlie Richmond 25. Re: home generators by Jerry Durand 26. Subject: Re: on a not-really-serious-anymore note by "Jerry Dougherty" 27. The Full Monty by "Jerry Dougherty" 28. Re: on a serious note by Charlie Richmond 29. Re: home generators by John McKernon 30. Re: Computers in Architecture class by "rufus" 31. Re: home generators by SB 32. Re: on a serious note by "Jon Ares" 33. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by Stephen Litterst 34. Re: home generators by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 35. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by "Secore, Scott" 36. Re: on a serious note by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 37. Re: Doing something - student opportunity by "James, Brian" 38. Re: Re[2]: home generators by "Bill Nelson" 39. Re: Re[2]: home generators by Jerry Durand 40. Re: home generators by John Bracewell 41. Re: home generators by Richard Bakos 42. Re: Computers in Architecture class by Scott Parker 43. Re: Re[2]: home generators by Stephen Litterst 44. Re: Re[2]: home generators by Bill Sapsis 45. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by Bruce Purdy 46. Re: Re[2]: home generators by Bruce Purdy 47. Re: home generators by Dale Farmer 48. Re: Re[2]: home generators by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 49. OT: Finding an apt. in NYC FAST by "Andy Leviss" 50. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by Charlie Richmond *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <3796FD8D-25B8-489F-935D-227820ED390B [at] hillmardesign.com> From: gregg hillmar Subject: Re: Doing something - student opportunity Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 08:45:41 -0400 University of Richmond and Randolph-Macon College here in Central VA are doing the same thing. Once dormrooms fill up, faculty members -at least at RMC- have offered rooms in their own houses. I'm happy to be part of both of these efforts. g. _____________________ gregg hillmar scenic & lighting design portfolio & life as we know it: http://www.hillmardesign.com "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching." Satchel Paige On Sep 2, 2005, at 10:03 PM, MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > The University of Wisconsin - Oshkosh is opening their doors to > students who > are displaced by Katrina guaranteeing admission and dorm space. > Mic Alderson > (famed as the author of the IASTE 470 Stagehands Primer and world- > known for > his knowledge of knots) teaches technical theatre there and I can > help with > logistics. There's a good chance for permit-worker gigs with the > IA here too. > > http://www.uwosh.edu/news_bureau/releases/sept05/admission.php > for more > info. > > Kristi R-C > IATSE 470 > > I can not do everything, but still I can do something. And because > I can not > do > everything, I will not refuse to do something I can do." -Helen > Keller > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:36:10 -0400 From: Kacey Meaker Reply-To: kaceytheatre [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Doing something - student opportunity In-Reply-To: References: Randolph-Macon Woman's College (Lynchburg, VA) also offers admission and financial aid for students who were going to be attending schools affected by Katrina. Sorry... only women. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4319A91B.8000202 [at] midmaine.com> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 09:46:03 -0400 From: Jeffrey Ferrell Subject: Re: Doing something - student opportunity References: In-Reply-To: Bates College, in Maine, is offering admission, and free tuition for students who have been displaced. I believe it only applies to those students from Maine, however. Kacey Meaker wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Randolph-Macon Woman's College (Lynchburg, VA) also offers admission >and financial aid for students who were going to be attending schools >affected by Katrina. Sorry... only women. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 04:05:54 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: on a serious note Message-id: <014301c5b090$9aa59810$c6354104 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: <> I kinda gotta agree with that. I think that humans are a rather arrogant type that can claim the "responsibility" (when they really mean "power") to do some pretty amazing things. We have people in Ohio cutting up 6-pack holders so sea turtles won't get their beaks caught in them. There has been a blue recycling container that its in front of my house for that last two years or so that has never been used. The government can't quite figure out how to get the process to work. The government added a 5 cent deposit to all cans and bottles here but made redemption rules so difficult that the government has made around $200 million dollars so far. Question: It has never been logically explained to me about endangered species. WHY is it important that some species do not become extinct? Isn't it part of the evolutionary process? I understand that some as yet unfound plant in the "rain forest" (the politically correct name for "jungle") may someday provide a medicine that cures some malady or another but the "snail darter"? Laters, Paul "The Nasa people have had trouble with the propulsion systems for those moon flights", said Tom apologetically. ------------------------------ From: "holyoak1" Subject: RE: on a serious note Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 09:14:37 -0500 In-reply-to: Message-ID: Amen Kenneth H. Holyoak Information+Insight=Profit HIG, LLC Mail POB 68633 Indianapolis IN 46268-0633 UPS 1508 E 86th Street Suite 177 Indianapolis IN 46240 ken [at] kenholyoak.com 317-253-7000 FAX 317-255-3708 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Guncheon Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 9:06 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: on a serious note For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- <> I kinda gotta agree with that. I think that humans are a rather arrogant type that can claim the "responsibility" (when they really mean "power") to do some pretty amazing things. We have people in Ohio cutting up 6-pack holders so sea turtles won't get their beaks caught in them. There has been a blue recycling container that its in front of my house for that last two years or so that has never been used. The government can't quite figure out how to get the process to work. The government added a 5 cent deposit to all cans and bottles here but made redemption rules so difficult that the government has made around $200 million dollars so far. Question: It has never been logically explained to me about endangered species. WHY is it important that some species do not become extinct? Isn't it part of the evolutionary process? I understand that some as yet unfound plant in the "rain forest" (the politically correct name for "jungle") may someday provide a medicine that cures some malady or another but the "snail darter"? Laters, Paul "The Nasa people have had trouble with the propulsion systems for those moon flights", said Tom apologetically. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:16:06 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: on a serious note In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Paul Guncheon wrote: > We have people in Ohio cutting up 6-pack holders so sea turtles won't get > their beaks caught in them. Actually the people in Hawaii do that. The people in Ohio do it so that all types of birds and animals won't get tangled in them. It's just a nice thing to do, golden rule and all that ;-) > There has been a blue recycling container that its in front of my house for > that last two years or so that has never been used. The government can't > quite figure out how to get the process to work. I like to get involved when these worthwhile systems seem not to be working. Sometimes it just requires contacting the people responsible and letting them know it's not happening correctly on my street. > The government added a 5 cent deposit to all cans and bottles here but made > redemption rules so difficult that the government has made around $200 > million dollars so far. Wow! I'd sure do what I can to eliminate that wholly unnecessary profit by finding my nearest bottle depot and collecting up everything I can find! > Question: It has never been logically explained to me about endangered > species. WHY is it important that some species do not become extinct? Isn't Because thousands of species that were previously not endangered become endangered every year. It's an ongoing process whose logical conclusion ends up with humans and everything else being endangered. > it part of the evolutionary process? I understand that some as yet unfound > plant in the "rain forest" (the politically correct name for "jungle") may > someday provide a medicine that cures some malady or another but the "snail > darter"? I heard the snail darter provides the essential ingredients for Viagra and that's why it's endangered.... ;-) Keep up the good questions! Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1125767785.4319da6978c45 [at] email.ixwebhosting.com> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:16:25 -0500 From: Bruce Cooper Subject: Katrina - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List Guys and Dolls: It has been so good to read all the praise and good wishes that have come from this list. As well it has been stunning to read Mr. Finney's accounts of his efforts. This has inspired me: We can all at least get ready to help. I've taken a little time to set up an email address for what I am terming the Hurricane Katrina Relief - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List. It's simply a way to compile in one place a list of resources we all might be able to do without. Have a genny sitting about you could spare? Maybe a large tent? Or miles and miles of communications cable from that project that fell through? Whatever it is, if it could help, list it. There is no contract, so if you decide you can't spare it, that is fine as well. I'm just trying to get our resource list pooled, as I think that might help. If you are interested, please email Katrina-Relief [at] ledworklights.com with the following info: * Type of resource * Date of Availability * Usable term [how long can you spare it/ how long will it last] * Your Name * Address * Phone Number where you can be contacted. If you have multiple resources, please list the top three items separately for each. These will be maintained in an offline document, so rest assured, your info is safe from online predators [Though most of you attach the requested info to the end of emails, but none the less]. I'm currently trying to get in contact with the FEMA people to let them know of this list, and will update if/when that happens. Thanks, and bless you all. This truly is a wonderful profession. :Bruce Cooper -- LED Worklight Systems 847-445-2668 http://ledworklights.com ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:23:50 EDT Subject: Re: on a serious note _charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com_ (mailto:charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com) writes: <<> We have people in Ohio cutting up 6-pack holders so sea turtles won't get > their beaks caught in them.> Actually the people in Hawaii do that. The people in Ohio do it so that all types of birds and animals won't get tangled in them. It's just a nice thing to do, golden rule and all that ;-) >> Better option - buy in 12 or 24 pack of cans so ALL packaging can be recycled and no cutting needed. Even the 2 liter bottles (the one thing that did stick from the attempt to go metric in the 70s) can be totaly recycled. Kristi ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: ghost lights and the environment Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:05:53 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Instead of an incandescent light bulb, I use a screw-base compact flourescent. Same amount of light - less energy. Who cares if the quality of light is ugly. Nobody really sees it anyway. David K. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980509031122da021bf [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:22:31 -0400 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: scparker [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Doing something - student opportunity In-Reply-To: References: Pace University in NYC is doing much the same.=20 Also, as Pace is located 3 blocks away from the World Trade Center site: "Pace has responded to CICU, NAICU, Project Pericles and ACE efforts to reach out to institutions of higher education in need. We have offered a variety of assistance including the possibility of having key staff members go to the affected campuses to assist them. We have also indicated that we believe our experiences during 9-11 could be of help to them. As the campuses are able to assess specific needs, we look forward to responding to their requests." Quoted from Pace's president's office.... http://appserv.pace.edu/execute/page.cfm?doc_id=3D969 --=20 Take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza=20 =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980509031128444c28bd [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:28:43 -0400 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: scparker [at] gmail.com Subject: home generators Greetings All, With all that's happened, and the blackout of 2 years ago... Does anyone have/use emergency generators? How do you have them hooked up? I know that if they are hooked into the main supply, the supply needs to get disconnected from the street. To avoid shocking electrical workers. Not to mention lighting the rest of the street. Thanks, --=20 Take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza=20 =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050903112733.011c6f08 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:27:33 From: CB Subject: Re: Pepsi at the Coke show >I did an American Tobacco sales gig years ago.... yep, smoking was allowed >for this group, I did a show for a tobacco company 'bout ten years ago, working the long lens for I-mag. It might have been PM, it might have been Liggett, I don't remember. I do remember chatting on headsets, and complaining that it was so hard working in a room where there was cigarrete smoking going on all around me and I hadn't had a cigarette break in over three hours. "Light up, what're you waiting for?" was the answer. I did get a kick out of smoking behind the camera in a ballroom (that's non-smoking in *all* other circumstances) while running a corporate gig! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050903112916.029ca9c0 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:41:06 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: on a serious note In-Reply-To: References: At 10:23 AM 9/3/2005, you wrote: >Better option - buy in 12 or 24 pack of cans so ALL packaging can be >recycled and no cutting needed. Except for the "healthy" soda like Hansen's. The 24 pack consists of the cans, four 6-pack plastic rings, corrugated cardboard tray, AND heavy shrink wrap over all of it. :( On the plus side, we recycle so much that our weekly trash (personal AND business combined) equals one waste-basked sized trash bag. Except when we do small fireworks shows using "cakes", then there's paper everywhere. I just received an advertisement for the new Blackbox Fireworks system with reusable mortars for small shells. They even have ones for consumer cakes where after shooting you return the plastic mortars for refill and get your deposit back. They also leave VERY little unburned litter on the ground, I'm impressed. Don't know if they'll sell, but it's a start. One problem for me, their logo is the same as the electronics company by the same name. That could be a trademark problem in this country. http://www.blackboxfireworks.com/ -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050903114148.029ca730 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:45:42 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: home generators In-Reply-To: References: At 11:28 AM 9/3/2005, you wrote: >Greetings All, >With all that's happened, and the blackout of 2 years ago... Does >anyone have/use emergency generators? How do you have them hooked up? >I know that if they are hooked into the main supply, the supply needs >to get disconnected from the street. To avoid shocking electrical >workers. Not to mention lighting the rest of the street. We have one for the office here. It's a portable with a special male jack on the building for it. That connects to a UL-listed switch box (from Home Depot) that ties into the main panel. It lets you disconnect any circuits you want from the mains and then tie into the generator. It also has balancing meters to keep both halves of the 200 source close to equal. Or, I see Costco advertising up to 40KW "home" units with automatic start and switch over built in. ALWAYS have a real electrician to the tie-in, your local inspector will need to approve it and possibly the power company (they fear you making a line live while someone's working on it). -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980509031149118dd5fc [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:49:21 -0400 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: scparker [at] gmail.com Subject: Computers in Architecture class Dear listers, I've been asked to take over a colleague's class: "Computers in Architecture" and I'm hoping some of you would be willing to share some pearls of wisdom. I have taught Acad several times for set and lighting design, but this class needs to go farther. Here's from the student guide: Computers in Architecture 4cr. =20 This is an introductory course to the use of computer-aided drafting technology, and the concept of 3D modeling. Students will gain direct experience by using computers to model three-dimensional space. Such topics as CADD, 3D modeling, and rendering will be introduced as tools available for spatial representation and professional presentation. 4 hr./wk.; =20 _______ I do have a few favorite sites that I've found very valuable. http://www.cadtutor.net/ http://www.archidigm.com/lounge/index.htm http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/autoindex?siteID=3D123112&id=3D2253423= &linkID=3D2475176 Thanks, Scott --=20 Take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza=20 =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050903114257.011c6f08 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 11:42:57 From: CB Subject: Re: on a serious note (long and grouchy and obviously OT) >Thanks for letting me rant....I'm going to bed. Rest well, you deserve it. Thanks for the work! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:53:54 -0400 Message-ID: <346414591B50EE4299DB6686321B8CC701DAA821 [at] FACSTAFF.facultystaff.eku.edu> From: "Secore, Scott" Re: on a serious note (and additional comments)

Josh Ratty wrote:
>>>FYi in some instances driving with the windows open and AC = off can waste
more fuel than windows up and AC on due to wind resistance.

They actually did this on Mythbusters a while back. They took two = identical stock Ford Explorers, filled them up from the same batch of = gas, and drove around a speedway at, I believe, 60mph. One guy had the = windows up with the A/C running, the other guy had the windows down with = no A/C. The second guy (no A/C) had better performance. I believe he ran = for an extra 10-15 minutes or so, with X amount of miles more. Something = to that effect. Kind of interesting.

-Scott
 TTS
 EKU

------------------------------ Subject: Re: Ethics Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:56:26 -0400 Message-ID: <346414591B50EE4299DB6686321B8CC701DAA822 [at] FACSTAFF.facultystaff.eku.edu> From: "Secore, Scott" Re: Ethics

C. Dopher wrote:
>>>>I'm wondering if this was bad ethics, bad planning or = what... And am I the
only one who feels like having taken a show, you finish = it.<<<<

Little late with this one. My bad.

Long story short, no name dropping either, but a similar situation = happened to me quite a few years back. Was working a fairly well = [meaning high :)] paying spot-op gig in NYC, the show got extended, but = I couldn't continue the run because I had a house gig I was neglecting. = We brought in a replacement(who, at the time, was a friend), they = learned the show, and two days before the "re-opening" they = dropped the show. Not only did they drop the show on short notice, they = lied about why. Instead of fessing up with honesty and saying "I = got a better gig for more money", they made up a story about a = suicide in the family, yada yada. Guess who looked like a jerk with the = producers besides the knucklehead who bailed? To this day, this bugs = me.

You hit the nail on the head...bad ethics.

-Scott
 TTS
 EKU

------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:14:45 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <786405219.20050903141445 [at] tcon.net> Cc: scparker [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: home generators In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Saturday, September 3, 2005, Scott Parker wrote: > Does anyone have/use emergency generators? How do you have them > hooked up? I have a generator in my rental stock, and several years ago I hooked it up to selected circuits in my building using an ASCO houselight transfer contactor that I salvaged from a diming system when we were replacing an autotransformer dimming system. The startup drill is simple: Connect the exhaust flex tube to the doohickey installed in the basement window frame, manually trip the contactor, crank up the genset, and enjoy power to three circuits, which operate the computer, the lights in the office, and a dedicated wall outlet in the shop. The changeover from shore power to genset is not automatic and, knock wood, we have not needed to use it, but it is there and ready for service if needed. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:17:11 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <537249502.20050903141711 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re[2]: home generators In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Saturday, September 3, 2005, Jerry Durand wrote: > Or, I see Costco advertising up to 40KW "home" units Forty kay dubya? y'all REALLY mean forty thousand watts? Holey Schamoley....Back up the big truck, boys. Oh. Maybe it was FOUR kay dubya.... Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050903122624.029c9228 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 12:27:33 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re[2]: home generators In-Reply-To: References: At 12:17 PM 9/3/2005, you wrote: >Saturday, September 3, 2005, Jerry Durand wrote: > > > Or, I see Costco advertising up to 40KW "home" units > >Forty kay dubya? y'all REALLY mean forty thousand watts? Holey >Schamoley....Back up the big truck, boys. > >Oh. Maybe it was FOUR kay dubya.... 40,000 W! What sort of home needs a 40KW generator? Surely not mine! Our Rocket Ranch only has two 15KW generators, and one of them is almost always busted. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill) Subject: RE: home generators Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:32:24 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > simple: Connect the exhaust flex tube to the doohickey installed in > the basement window frame, manually trip the contactor, crank up the > genset, and enjoy power to three circuits, which operate the computer, > the lights in the office, and a dedicated wall outlet in the shop. > > Frank E. Merrill Of course, you meant to say the dedicated outlet for the coffee machine, too, yes....??? 8-))) TD ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001401c5b0be$125803c0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Cc: scparker [at] gmail.com References: Subject: Re: Computers in Architecture class Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:31:24 -0700 > I do have a few favorite sites that I've found very valuable. > http://www.cadtutor.net/ > http://www.archidigm.com/lounge/index.htm > http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/autoindex?siteID=123112&id=2253423&linkID=2475176 A fun, easy, and yes, you can get quite accurate... software is Sketchup www.sketchup.com - you use the software to more or less 'rough out' an idea, and you can export DWG and 3DS models. (You can import as well, but I haven't done anything except import a 2D floor plan and extruded.) I've recently 'forced' myself to do up some 3D versions of two sets I'm designing, just to put it through its paces (I plan to use Sketchup at my new charter high school). Some challenges, as I, like most of you, am a precision nut ("I want the chair rail 36" up, not to just 'look' right on the model") - but indeed you can get pretty good precision, although it is NOT a drafting program. If anyone wants to see samples of the 2 sets I just did with them, let me know and I'll send along a couple of pics. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:47:42 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Secore, Scott wrote: > They actually did this on Mythbusters a while back. They took two identical > stock Ford Explorers, filled them up from the same batch of gas, and drove Not to pick nits but things may have been slightly different if they had chosen a vehicle that had inherently better aerodynamics to start with, where the open windows would have made more of a difference. The Explorer looks like a brick with the windows open or shut, really.... Prolly not significant though. I do notice a decided drop in mileage with the A/C on which I don't see with the windows open.... Charlie ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050903124322.029c8618 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 12:49:37 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: home generators In-Reply-To: References: At 12:32 PM 9/3/2005, you wrote: >Of course, you meant to say the dedicated outlet for the coffee machine, >too, yes....??? I once toured a new TV station that was proud of their new facility. The entire station (studio, master control, transmitter) is WAY up in a high-rise building (but NOT the top floor, the antenna feed goes through someone else's restroom). They had the ENTIRE floor on battery backup (the batteries took up a whole room on that floor) and that was backed up by a generator in the basement with a huge (multi-thousand gallon) fuel tank. But, due to budget restraints a lot of the equipment in master control was used, some didn't even have all the panels and had cardboard taped over the sides. I was thinking they could have cut back just a tad on the backup power and put some into good stuff to actually get the signal on the air. Oh well, bean counters... -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jerry Dougherty" Subject: Subject: Re: on a not-really-serious-anymore note Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:00:46 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: As a native of Southeastern Pennsylvania and a graduate of The University of Texas at Austin, I must say that nothing (at least no beer) beats the taste of a Yuengling Porter. Oh, I dunno... Some of us former Pennsylvanians might do you one better and send them some Yuengling - as soon as I can get my hands on some! (Although, the Shiner Bock that they serve 'round these parts makes a pretty tasty substitute in a pinch.) :P ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jerry Dougherty" Subject: The Full Monty Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:04:13 -0700 Message-ID: Anyone on the list going to be in Yakima, WA next week when The Full Monty techs? If so, e-mail me off list. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:11:28 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: on a serious note In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Fri, 2 Sep 2005, Pat Kight wrote: > right now are unimaginable, and getting worse. I'll save my moral judgments > for some other time. In the meantime, the rest of the world, while not being encouraged to assist, is providing their own perspective: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:12:45 -0400 Subject: Re: home generators From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > With all that's happened, and the blackout of 2 years ago... Does > anyone have/use emergency generators? How do you have them hooked up? Yes, we have one and use it probably once or twice a year. It's essentially a large portable unit that sits in a shed against the outside of the house. To use it, you plug a power feeder from it into a receptacle on the outside of the house. (That receptacle connects to a transfer panel in the basement.) You start the generator, then go to the transfer panel in the basement. On the transfer panel are 6 breakers, one for each of the house circuits that can be powered by the generator. You switch all of those breakers off, then you switch the mains switch on the transfer panel to the generator side. Finally, you turn on each of the house circuit breakers back on, one at a time. I have the well pump, the boiler, the refrigerator, a couple of house lighting circuits, and one general-purpose receptacle run through the generator. There's a meter on the transfer panel so that I can tell if we're getting close to overloading the generator, but you can also tell by listening to the generator - it strains audibly when the load is heavy. The hardest part is remembering to run the generator every now and then and do regular maintenance so that it runs properly when we need it! Mine is rated for 7500w, 120v. I wish I'd gotten a larger one, but at the time that's all I could afford. Beware - they are VERY LOUD. We have to close the windows on that side of the house if it's running, and even then THE NOISE IS DEAFENING. Good luck! - John ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200509032025.j83KP0sW011551 [at] ns1.ldassistant.com> From: "rufus" Cc: scparker [at] gmail.com Subject: RE: Computers in Architecture class Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:24:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: Please take a look at http://www.ldassistant.com , http://www.ACADLighting.com & http://www.autoblock2000.com We are Autodesk OEM, ADN and UAR partners. Please let us know if we can be of help. Best regards, Rufus Warren III Design & Drafting Software Co. Voice 708-499-0107 Fax Line 708-499-0046 E-Mail rufus [at] design-drafting.com Web Site www.design-drafting.com Autodesk authorized developer HP developer www.design-drafting.com * www.LDassistant.com * www.ACADLighting.com * www.CADunit.com * www.AutoBLOCK2000.com * www.Donenow.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Scott Parker Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 1:49 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Computers in Architecture class For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Dear listers, I've been asked to take over a colleague's class: "Computers in Architecture" and I'm hoping some of you would be willing to share some pearls of wisdom. I have taught Acad several times for set and lighting design, but this class needs to go farther. Here's from the student guide: Computers in Architecture 4cr. This is an introductory course to the use of computer-aided drafting technology, and the concept of 3D modeling. Students will gain direct experience by using computers to model three-dimensional space. Such topics as CADD, 3D modeling, and rendering will be introduced as tools available for spatial representation and professional presentation. 4 hr./wk.; _______ I do have a few favorite sites that I've found very valuable. http://www.cadtutor.net/ http://www.archidigm.com/lounge/index.htm http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/autoindex?siteID=123112&id=2253423&link ID=2475176 Thanks, Scott -- Take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:31:29 -0400 From: SB Subject: Re: home generators Cc: scparker [at] gmail.com Message-id: <005101c5b0c6$77615d90$6501a8c0 [at] lighting> References: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Parker" > Greetings All, > With all that's happened, and the blackout of 2 years ago... Does > anyone have/use emergency generators? How do you have them hooked up? > I know that if they are hooked into the main supply, the supply needs > to get disconnected from the street. To avoid shocking electrical > workers. Not to mention lighting the rest of the street. The community where I live has it's own generation capacity, one of 3 such villages on Long Island. They can totally isolate as needed from the LIPA power grid, thus we pretty much had power during the last blackout. The village recently built a new generation station that has extra capacity beyond what the local usage requires (for now), thus I opted out of a residential unit (never really considered it at any rate). Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001501c5b0ce$e9d180a0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: on a serious note Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 14:31:58 -0700 > In the meantime, the rest of the world, while not being encouraged to > assist, is providing their own perspective: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm > I found the following even more interesting... what the press elsewhere thinks: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4211320.stm - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 17:43:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) In-reply-to: Message-id: <4297.172.134.163.28.1125783784.squirrel [at] 172.134.163.28> References: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Secore, Scott wrote: > Prolly not significant though. I do notice a decided drop in mileage with > the > A/C on which I don't see with the windows open.... Well, I was only slightly less scientific than the guys at M5, but summer vacation this year was a drive to Georgia and back. Clocked the MPG with windows or a/c. Not only did the car handle better with the windows up, I had surprisingly good mileage, just as good as I normally see. Steve L. ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 22:13:06 GMT Subject: Re: home generators Message-Id: <20050903.151339.997.271618 [at] webmail18.lax.untd.com> Some folks in LA have been known to make advance arrangements to rent trailer-mounted 'Movie-quiet' generators and then run 4/0 to their house & theatre transfer panels, just as those running cell sites do. /s/ Richard __________________________ Mine is rated for 7500w, 120v. I wish I'd gotten a larger one, but at the time that's all I could afford. Beware - they are VERY LOUD. We have to close the windows on that side of the house if it's running, and even then THE NOISE IS DEAFENING. Good luck! - John ------------------------------ Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:28:31 -0400 Message-ID: <346414591B50EE4299DB6686321B8CC701DAA823 [at] FACSTAFF.facultystaff.eku.edu> From: "Secore, Scott" Re: on a serious note (and additional comments)

>>>>Not only did the car handle better = with the windows up, I
had surprisingly good mileage, just as good as I normally see.
Steve L.

>>>>I do notice a decided drop in mileage with the
A/C on which I don't see with the windows open....
Charlie

Sounds like I should start using my A/C rather than my current cooling = system of "letting it fly in the breeze". Lets just hope freon = prices don't start skyrocketing now :)

------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 22:51:19 GMT Subject: Re: on a serious note Message-Id: <20050903.155134.997.271870 [at] webmail18.lax.untd.com> The High Schoolers in California do this routinely as it's 2nd nature. /s/ Richard __________________________________ <<> We have people in Ohio cutting up 6-pack holders so sea turtles won't get their beaks caught in them.> Actually the people in Hawaii do that. The people in Ohio do it so that all types of birds and animals won't get tangled in them. It's just a nice thing to do, golden rule and all that ;-) >> Kristi ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Doing something - student opportunity Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:49:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" Virginia Tech is doing some similar stuff. I do not know all the = details. but the info can be found at www.vt.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Ferrell Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 9:46 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Doing something - student opportunity For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Bates College, in Maine, is offering admission, and free tuition for=20 students who have been displaced. I believe it only applies to those=20 students from Maine, however. Kacey Meaker wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see = >--------------------------------------------------- > >Randolph-Macon Woman's College (Lynchburg, VA) also offers admission >and financial aid for students who were going to be attending schools >affected by Katrina. Sorry... only women. > > > > =20 > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2220.64.28.53.144.1125795925.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Re[2]: home generators From: "Bill Nelson" > > 40,000 W! What sort of home needs a 40KW generator? Surely not mine! 200A/240V service has been the standard for quite a few years. My house, built in the 50s, has 200 A service - and it is the original distribution panel. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050903180219.029bb570 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:04:32 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Re[2]: home generators In-Reply-To: References: At 06:05 PM 9/3/2005, you wrote: > > > > 40,000 W! What sort of home needs a 40KW generator? Surely not mine! > >200A/240V service has been the standard for quite a few years. My house, >built in the 50s, has 200 A service - and it is the original distribution >panel. > >Bill Yes, but during an emergency do you REALLY need to run every appliance in the house? I guess if you have the money for a generator the size of a small car, then you get to use your hot tub during power failures. And I also know some of the houses up in the hills around here have a LOT bigger panels (according to the local inspector). But, I don't consider them normal home owners who'd shop at Costco. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20050903211343.0211cf78 [at] pop.lightlink.com> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 21:19:31 -0400 From: John Bracewell Subject: Re: home generators In-Reply-To: In the blackout two years ago, I took our portable generator (120 v. only), ran NMD 90 in through a window, switched off the main breaker, backfed through a single-pole breaker after making sure that the circuits I wanted most to power were on that half of the split-phase. I'm sure that the Electrical Safety Authority would have been scandalized, but it got us through the blackout with no loss of frozen food and at least the ability to run the well pump. Were I to put in something more permanent in the way of a backup generator, I'd do something more like what others have described. -- JLB At 02:28 PM 9/3/2005 -0400, you wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Greetings All, >With all that's happened, and the blackout of 2 years ago... Does >anyone have/use emergency generators? How do you have them hooked up? >I know that if they are hooked into the main supply, the supply needs >to get disconnected from the street. To avoid shocking electrical >workers. Not to mention lighting the rest of the street. > >Thanks, > >-- >Take care, Scott > > Scott C. Parker > Professor/Technical Director > Dept. of Performing Arts > Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University > Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F > Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza > New York, NY 10038 > 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <431A4EC5.9080801 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 20:32:53 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: home generators References: In-Reply-To: Some one in the extreme north or south where you have electric heat in the winter or Air conditioning in the summer during extreme long outages. I would bet there a lot of people that would like to have one in the Mississippi area where they are projecting months with out power. >>40,000 W! What sort of home needs a 40KW generator? Surely not mine! >> >> -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c998050903191943d9a2d0 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 22:19:53 -0400 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: scparker [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Computers in Architecture class In-Reply-To: References: Thanks Jon. I've tried SketchUp in the past. I'll have to take another look. I'd like to take a look at your drawings. Perhaps you'll let me post them on www.hstech.org? Scott --=20 Take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza=20 =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:24:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Re[2]: home generators In-reply-to: Message-id: <1812.172.166.178.95.1125800664.squirrel [at] 172.166.178.95> References: > --------------------------------------------------- > > At 06:05 PM 9/3/2005, Jerry wrote: > > Yes, but during an emergency do you REALLY need to run every > appliance in the house? I guess if you have the money for a > generator the size of a small car, then you get to use your hot tub > during power failures. Do people *need* to drive a Hummer/Trailblazer/Excursion to the store for groceries? Do people *need* to buy a $750,000 house only to tear it down to build a larger one? America isn't about need anymore. Hasn't been for quite some time. Steve Litterst ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 22:34:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Re[2]: home generators From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Amen. On 9/3/05 10:24 PM, "Stephen Litterst" wrote: > America isn't about need anymore. Hasn't been for quite some time. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:26:34 -0400 Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > They actually did this on Mythbusters a while back. They took two identical > stock Ford Explorers, filled them up from the same batch of gas, and drove > around a speedway at, I believe, 60mph. One guy had the windows up with the > A/C running, the other guy had the windows down with no A/C. The second guy > (no A/C) had better performance. I believe he ran for an extra 10-15 minutes > or so, with X amount of miles more. Something to that effect. Kind of > interesting. I take two round trips each summer from Central New York, through Canada, and on to western Michigan. I have always made it into Michigan with a comfortable amount left in the tank before re-filling. Since I hate the "feel" of AC, I keep my windows down. This year, due to the unusually hot summer, I relented and used my AC, keeping my windows shut. All else remained equal (Same car, same speed &c.). This time I had grave fears about running out of gas whilst waiting in line at the border checkpoint entering MI. The needle was at the bottom of the meter and the fuel light was on. This unscientific anecdote convinced me that the AC hurt my gas mileage worse than my usual open windows. Take it for what it's worth. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 23:09:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Re[2]: home generators From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Do people *need* to drive a Hummer/Trailblazer/Excursion to the store for > groceries? Do people *need* to buy a $750,000 house only to tear it down > to build a larger one? > > America isn't about need anymore. Hasn't been for quite some time. Contrasting this with the reality of many of the NO victims *before* the recent events, highlights the fact that there really are two Americas. The gulf between the "Haves " and the "Have nots" grows bigger every year! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <431A7ACC.A765AF51 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 00:40:44 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: home generators References: Scott Parker wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings All, > With all that's happened, and the blackout of 2 years ago... Does > anyone have/use emergency generators? How do you have them hooked up? > I know that if they are hooked into the main supply, the supply needs > to get disconnected from the street. To avoid shocking electrical > workers. Not to mention lighting the rest of the street. > > Thanks, Had one for a while. Bought the transfer panel to install into the electrical panel for the house when the generator threw a rod. ( I Found out later that a common failure mode for the inexpensive homeowner generators is for the throttle valve to get stuck wide open, leading to over speeding themselves to death. ) Electrical code pretty much everywhere in the US requires a transfer switch that will not allow generator power to backfeed into the grid. There have been instances of linemen injured and killed from this during restoration operations. For a recent flame war on this, with the cites, take a look at alt.homepower. When I buy a new one, I'll be giving the honda inverter models a real close look. I've heard nothing but good about them, and they have the ability to sync themselves together automagically with the use of a special connecting cable. My needs are fairly modest. If the weather is cold, run the furnace. If the weather is warm, run the fridge. I can do both of these with an extension cord coming in through a window. --Dale ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 05:56:17 GMT Subject: Re: Re[2]: home generators Message-Id: <20050903.225647.14961.274050 [at] webmail27.lax.untd.com> Our six bedroom, four bathroom house was built 1962, and ALWAYS had TWO single phase, 200 amp three wire service panels tapped off TWO separate transformers in the same vault fed from TWO separate grids. /s/ Richard >200A/240V service has been the standard for quite a few years. My house, built in the 50s, has 200 A service - and it is the original distribution >panel. >Bill ------------------------------ From: "Andy Leviss" Subject: OT: Finding an apt. in NYC FAST Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:35:24 -0400 Organization: Duck's Echo Sound Message-ID: <002601c5b11a$d578ffb0$a19afea9 [at] ALLAPTOP> Hey gang, I hope you don't mind the OT post, but I need some help, fast, LOL. After spending the better part of the last two years on tour, I'm finally settling down for a while. I was able to manage the nearly two hour commute from my home in Central NJ to the shop I'm working at in LIC okay as long as it was only a month or two while I looked for a place closer. But, as luck would have it, I landed a job taking over mixing an off-Bway show for an engineer who's moving onto another project, and now need to find a place ASAP, since while the commute with the full-time shop job was bad but tolerable, adding mixing eight shows a week to that is going to kill me fast ;o) Anyway, long story short, if anybody knows of somebody looking for a roommate who's pretty easy to get along with (and hell, I won't be home all that much, between the shop and the show!) and occasionally cooks a half-decent dinner (I do a mean stir fry, LOL), or knows of an apartment available, please let me know (you can find me off-list at Andy [at] DucksEcho.com). The shop, as I said, is up in LIC/Astoria, and the show is in midtown (50th and 8th-ish), so options that are near one, the other, or in-between are preferred. Not sure budget yet, really stabbing in the dark since I've never lived in the city before. Any advice at all is greatly appreciated! And, of course, if you're in the city visiting (or live there, for that matter), drop me a line and we can try to get to dinner for drinks some time! --Andy -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.18/89 - Release Date: 9/2/2005 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 07:38:35 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Secore, Scott wrote: > Sounds like I should start using my A/C rather than my current cooling system > of "letting it fly in the breeze". Lets just hope freon prices don't start You may have misinterpreted my post in which I found running the A/C to be less economical, but obviously it depends on the your average speed and the vehicle involved (logically...) > skyrocketing now :) If you are going through more than one system recharge every 5 years, your system is in need of repair. Also, Freon(TM) has been outlawed in North America for many years now and the new stuff is much more environmentally friendly. Charlie ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #509 *****************************