Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24587334; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 03:01:35 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #510 Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 03:01:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, DRUGS_ERECTILE autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #510 1. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 2. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by Jerry Durand 3. Re: home generators by "C. Dopher" 4. Re: Computers in Architecture class by Joseph Champelli 5. Re: on a serious note by Joseph Champelli 6. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by Charlie Richmond 7. Re: on a serious note by "Paul Guncheon" 8. Re: home generators by John McKernon 9. Re: on a serious note by Charlie Richmond 10. Re: on a serious note by "Jon Ares" 11. Re: on a serious note by Jerry Durand 12. old EDI Scrimmer II Dimmer problem by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" 13. Re: old EDI Scrimmer II Dimmer problem by Dale Farmer 14. Re: old EDI Scrimmer II Dimmer problem by Richard Bakos 15. Podcasts by Scott Parker 16. Re: old EDI Scrimmer II Dimmer problem by "Bill Nelson" 17. Re: Katrina - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List by Bruce Cooper 18. Re: on a serious note by "RD" 19. Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) by "RD" 20. Re: Pepsi at the Coke show by "RD" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:33:44 GMT Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) Message-Id: <20050904.063446.23402.274113 [at] webmail10.lax.untd.com> True; the COMFORT and the MERCY were originally oil tankers before being converted to 1000-bed hospital ships that are almost 900' long. Each carries a crew, including medical personnel, of over 1200. /s/ Richard Response to:__________ Those supplies that have to be loaded, and the personnel and just moving a dang boat that big is a logistical nightmare. Chris "Chris" Babbie ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 08:10:50 -0700 On Sep 3, 2005, at 11:38 PM, Charlie Richmond wrote: > If you are going through more than one system recharge every 5 > years, your system is in need of repair. Also, Freon(TM) has been > outlawed in North America for many years now and the new stuff is > much more environmentally friendly. > Should say the Freon formerly used in autos. There are a LOT of different Freon formulations, that's why there's a number after it (FR-12, FR-77, FR-148, etc.). I believe the current version is a mix of a couple of Freons, but I haven't kept up with that. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:32:07 -0400 Subject: Re: home generators From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 9/3/05 4:12 PM, "John McKernon" wrote: >> With all that's happened, and the blackout of 2 years ago... Does >> anyone have/use emergency generators? How do you have them hooked up? > > Yes, we have one and use it probably once or twice a year. Yes, but do you have a backup ROOF handy? ;) Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Message-ID: <621d2eb005090410011801124c [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:01:04 -0400 From: Joseph Champelli Cc: scparker [at] gmail.com Subject: Re: Computers in Architecture class In-Reply-To: References: RG8geW91IGhhdmUgaGF2ZSBBcmNoaXRlY3R1cmFsIERlc2t0b3AgaW5zdGFsbGVkPwogIApUb3Bp Y3MgdGhhdCBzaG91bGQgYmUgY292ZXJlZDoKICAKUGFwZXJzcGFjZSB2cyBNb2RlbHNwYWNlIC0g aG93IG1hbnkgQXV0b0NBRCB1c2VycyBvdXQgdGhlcmUgYXJlIHN0aWxsCmRvaW5nIG11bHRpcGxl IHRpdGxlYmxvY2tzIGluIG1vZGVsIHNwYWNlIGluc3RlYWQgb2YgcGFwZXJzcGFjZT8KWFJFRlMg LSB0aGlzIGlzIGFuIGltcGVyYXRpdmUgdG9waWMgZm9yIEFyY2hpdGVjdHMKRHJhd2luZyBtYW5h Z2VtZW50CkJsb2NrcyBhbmQgYmxvY2sgbWFuYWdlbWVudApMaWdodGluZyBhbmQgUmVuZGVyaW5n CiAgClBsYWluIEF1dG9DQUQgb3V0IG9mIHRoZSBib3ggaGFzIGEgc3VycHJpc2luZyBhbW91bnQg b2YgbGlnaHRpbmcgYW5kCnJlbmRlcmluZyBjYXBhYmlsaXRpZXMuIEFuIGV4cGxvcmF0aW9uIG9m IG1hdGVyaWFscyBhbmQgbGlnaHRpbmcgY2FuCmJlIGRvbmUgaW4gYW4gaW50cm9kdWN0b3J5IGNv dXJzZSB3aXRob3V0IGdldHRpbmcgaW50byBhIGxvdCBvZiAzcmQKcGFydHkgYWRkLW9ucy4KICAK ICAKSgogCgpPbiA5LzMvMDUsIFNjb3R0IFBhcmtlciA8c2NwYXJrZXJAZ21haWwuY29tPiB3cm90 ZToKPiBGb3IgaW5mbywgYXJjaGl2ZXMgJiBVTlNVQlNDUklCRSwgc2VlIDxodHRwOi8vc3RhZ2Vj cmFmdC50aGVwcmljZXMubmV0Lz4KPiAtLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0t LS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0KPiAKPiBEZWFyIGxpc3RlcnMsCj4gSSd2ZSBiZWVuIGFza2VkIHRv IHRha2Ugb3ZlciBhIGNvbGxlYWd1ZSdzIGNsYXNzOiAiQ29tcHV0ZXJzIGluCj4gQXJjaGl0ZWN0 dXJlIi4uLgoKCi0tIApKb3NlcGggQ2hhbXBlbGxpClVuaXZlcnNpdHkgb2YgVGVubmVzc2VlCkZU U0kK ------------------------------ Message-ID: <621d2eb0050904100410836543 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:04:15 -0400 From: Joseph Champelli Subject: Re: on a serious note In-Reply-To: References:

If you haven't seen the prediction: http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/wetlands/hurricane_print= .html --=20 Joseph Champelli University of Tennessee FTSI ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 18:40:15 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005, Jerry Durand wrote: > Should say the Freon formerly used in autos. The most potent formula was generally the easiest to make and was used in most refrigeration equipment without particular variation and was generically called Freon because it was almost universal. It is called R12 in the industry and there were certainly other major formulations but Freon was DuPont's(?) brand name and of course it stuck as a generic description just like Xerox used to. > There are a LOT of different Freon formulations, that's why there's a number > after it (FR-12, FR-77, FR-148, etc.). I believe the current version is a mix > of a couple of Freons, but I haven't kept up with that. Actually, doing this search: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22freon+replacement%22&meta= indicates that the latest refrigerant replacements contain no freon but are of course being resisted by the industry and US government because mandating it would create new costs. The most popular type that is currently mandated is R134A but even though that is better than R12, it has been shown to have a lot of potential downsides which you can read about on some of the pages in the above search. Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 10:02:52 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: on a serious note Message-id: <019e01c5b18b$a2e4c7c0$c6354104 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: <> Really? Would this be 2 thousand... 4 thousand... 15 thousand? Apparently it's more than 1 thousand.and actually sounds like a made up statistic by the WWF. << It's an ongoing process whose logical conclusion ends up with humans and everything else being endangered.>> Methinks that is not a logical conclusion and actually makes little sense when you actually think about it. Usually in evolution, the weak or inappropriate or susceptible weak die while the strong, or adapted, or immune survive. That's why insecticides make stronger bugs. Humans have figured that they are the boss and have learned ways to keep the gene pool real shallow and extend human life range. They have now turned their saving eyes on the food chain and have decided that the "golden bandicoot" space on the shelf should always be stocked. I know I sound like a curmudgeon (jeez, I like that word... almost as much as "mucilage") but one thing that is constant with me is reality, or at least my take on it. ... and I still would like a lucid and logical reason why the spotted owl should not become extinct if it's time to do so is here. Laters, Paul "I wish I could remember the name of that card game", said Tom wistfully. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:20:22 -0400 Subject: Re: home generators From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Yes, but do you have a backup ROOF handy? Well, actually, people around here (and most other places) use those lovely large blue tarps for that. Been there, done that... - John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:31:46 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: on a serious note In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sun, 4 Sep 2005, Paul Guncheon wrote: > < endangered every year.>> > > Really? Would this be 2 thousand... 4 thousand... 15 thousand? Apparently > it's more than 1 thousand.and actually sounds like a made up statistic by > the WWF. I'm not going to be drawn into this whole line of discussion much further. You would be called a 'troll' in the earlier days of the internet, Paul, but that term has become rarer now since trolling has become recognized now as the pointless technique that it is..... Obviously no one can provide you with a definitive answer to your question since it varies every year and there is no way to know exactly how many species are becoming endangered since we are still discovering new ones all the time. Plus, there's the whole issue of how endangered is defined by one group or another. It's not just the WWF but scientists around the world who acknowledge that many species become endangered and/or extinct every year. If you plan to ask me for a definitive list of what groups these are and what their findings are, don't bother - here are 7,560,000 pages on the subject: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22endangered+species%22&meta= > << It's an ongoing process whose logical conclusion ends up with humans and > everything else being endangered.>> > > Methinks that is not a logical conclusion and actually makes little sense Again, this is obviously an argument without its own logical answer but I remember the 60s when many people felt we were only a button push away from complete extinction via MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). Read the novel 'Fail Safe' and you will get a feel for the times. There was lots of talk about how close to 'midnight' we were on the doomsday clock: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22doomsday+clock%22&meta= > when you actually think about it. Usually in evolution, the weak or > inappropriate or susceptible weak die while the strong, or adapted, or > immune survive. That's why insecticides make stronger bugs. Nice. And we obviously should go back to spraying DDT everywhere, too.... > Humans have figured that they are the boss and have learned ways to keep the > gene pool real shallow and extend human life range. They have now turned > their saving eyes on the food chain and have decided that the "golden > bandicoot" space on the shelf should always be stocked. I think I see your cynicism and irony showing here. If not, well, hmmmm.... > I know I sound like a curmudgeon (jeez, I like that word... almost as much > as "mucilage") but one thing that is constant with me is reality, or at > least my take on it. Me too. Too bad we all don't have the same perception of reality... > ... and I still would like a lucid and logical reason why the spotted owl > should not become extinct if it's time to do so is here. There are some good lucid and logical reasons but they just aren't that way to you, only to those whose perception of reality coincides with mine, I guess: http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22spotted+owl%22&meta= Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c5b190$50ad5170$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: on a serious note Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 13:36:23 -0700 > Again, this is obviously an argument without its own logical answer but I > remember the 60s when many people felt we were only a button push away > from complete extinction via MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). Read the > novel 'Fail Safe' and you will get a feel for the times. There was lots > of talk about how close to 'midnight' we were on the doomsday clock: How timely... I just watched "Dr. Strangelove" last night for the first time in many-a-year.... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050904150756.03cca570 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 15:09:01 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: on a serious note In-Reply-To: References:

At 01:36 PM 9/4/2005, you wrote: >How timely... I just watched "Dr. Strangelove" last night for the >first time in many-a-year.... And I'm currently reading a William S. Burroughs book, makes me think humans are REALLY inventive in trying to put ourselves on the Endangered Species List. :( -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 15:43:48 -0700 From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" Subject: old EDI Scrimmer II Dimmer problem Message-id: <431B78A4.4090401 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com> Hello all - Our venerable EDI Scrimmer II / Troubador system has caught a case of the vapours and I need some advice/guidance. The problem symptoms: Turn on the Troubador console and the console seems to wake up normally - everything seems to work on the console. When we turn on the control console the dimmer rack powers up (the fans come on and the control indicates "digital signal present" - but no output from the dimmers and the "Over Temperature" light is on the DCM-24 interface is illuminated. - but nothing is obviously hot / odiferous. The Over Temp light on the control console does not come on either, which I think it should if the interface is saying it's "too hot" In the 'Memory" mode of the console, there's a chattering noise like a relay rapidly engaging/disengaging coming from the vicinity of the dimmer pack - maybe in the pack, more likely in the DCM-24 interface. When the console is in the Manual Mode (basically makes it a 2 scene X/Y board) the relay chattering noise disappears. This system is EDI's pre-DMX control and I'm guessing something of an orphan. This problem just started up 'out of the blue' rather than slowly deteriorating, so I'm presuming it's a component failure. I'd just like to be sure that it's actually in the DCM-24 interface as I suspect, rather than being a console problem that manifests itself in this manner. Any clues or suggestions as to what to do to bring it back to life? Thanks in advance - Carla ------------------------------ Message-ID: <431B9750.E382BB27 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:54:40 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: old EDI Scrimmer II Dimmer problem References: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello all - > > Our venerable EDI Scrimmer II / Troubador system has caught a case of > the vapours and I need some advice/guidance. > > The problem symptoms: > > Turn on the Troubador console and the console seems to wake up normally > - everything seems to work on the console. > > When we turn on the control console the dimmer rack powers up (the fans > come on and the control indicates "digital signal present" - but no > output from the dimmers and the "Over Temperature" light is on the > DCM-24 interface is illuminated. - but nothing is obviously hot / > odiferous. > > The Over Temp light on the control console does not come on either, > which I think it should if the interface is saying it's "too hot" > > In the 'Memory" mode of the console, there's a chattering noise like a > relay rapidly engaging/disengaging coming from the vicinity of the > dimmer pack - maybe in the pack, more likely in the DCM-24 interface. > When the console is in the Manual Mode (basically makes it a 2 scene X/Y > board) the relay chattering noise disappears. > > This system is EDI's pre-DMX control and I'm guessing something of an > orphan. > > This problem just started up 'out of the blue' rather than slowly > deteriorating, so I'm presuming it's a component failure. I'd just like > to be sure that it's actually in the DCM-24 interface as I suspect, > rather than being a console problem that manifests itself in this manner. > > Any clues or suggestions as to what to do to bring it back to life? > > Thanks in advance - > > Carla Not familiar with that particular setup, but general preventive maintenance type thing of opening it up, blowing all the dust out and reseating all the connectors has been suprisingly effective in my experience to weird problems on old gear. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <431B9DFA.4090205 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:23:06 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: old EDI Scrimmer II Dimmer problem References: In-Reply-To: Sounds like the overtemp sensor has gone away. A safety device should be a closed circuit device. When cold it reads as a short with and ohm meter. If you can figure out out what they are using for a sensor , with the power off you can check to see if is open or closed. If it is currently closed try opening it and see if the light goes out and the dimmers work. If it is open try shorting the wires together and trying again. You ask what is the device? Could be a number of things everything from a thermostat style switch to a small button device 3/4" diameter with two terminals. What ever the device it most likely set up to kill the entire pack in the event of an overtemp condition caused by the fans stopping. Hope this gives you a place to start. Rick Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center wrote: > Our venerable EDI Scrimmer II / Troubador system has caught a case of > the vapours and I need some advice/guidance. > > When we turn on the control console the dimmer rack powers up (the > fans come on and the control indicates "digital signal present" - but > no output from the dimmers and the "Over Temperature" light is on the > DCM-24 interface is illuminated. - but nothing is obviously hot / > odiferous. > -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c99805090420442fba77b7 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:44:54 -0400 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: scparker [at] gmail.com Cc: hstech [at] googlegroups.com (hstech group) Subject: Podcasts Greetings everyone. I've discovered PodCasts and was wondering if anyone else has. What have you found interesting? I've become a fan of a guy in L.A. named Leo Leporte. He does a computer tech call-in radio show that he then uploads as a PodCast. He also has a show called "twit" (This Week in Tech.) --=20 Take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza=20 =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3418.64.28.63.99.1125895549.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 21:45:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: old EDI Scrimmer II Dimmer problem From: "Bill Nelson" >> This system is EDI's pre-DMX control and I'm guessing something of an >> orphan. >> >> This problem just started up 'out of the blue' rather than slowly >> deteriorating, so I'm presuming it's a component failure. I'd just like >> to be sure that it's actually in the DCM-24 interface as I suspect, >> rather than being a console problem that manifests itself in this >> manner. It has digital control but is not DMX? The only other formats that I believe it supports are AMX and the very old analog control. I recently had a problem with an AMX dimmer pack, which I wrote about here. The symptoms were different, but it was a Strand CD-80 pack. The problem turned out to be an intermittant ground wire in the control signal path. It was actually a break in the data connector on the inside of the pack. The symptoms were, data signal present. Clicking inside the box. Dimmers would flicker under various loads - and the frequency would change with the board slider settings. It took a lot of time and head scratching to isolate the problem. If I had not had a spare control card, I probably would not have been able to figure it out. If the control card has the mini-XLR connectors (I think that is what they are called), they are rather fragile. That is the first thing I would suspect. Try unplugging the control cable from the pack - at the pack. If the overtemp light goes out, then you may have a bad connector or bad cable. Does the Scrimmer II have test buttons on the individual dimmer modules? If so, try pressing them to see if that brings the dimmers to full. Do this with and without the data cable connected. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1125896700.431bd1fcace44 [at] mail.opentransfer.com> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:05:00 -0500 From: Bruce Cooper Subject: Re: Katrina - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List References: In-Reply-To: Folks: I've already received a few resources listed and have begun the process of getting FEMA involved, and have become a member of the National Emergency Resources Registry [and hey, if you feel like becoming a member and bypassing me, please do http://swern.gov ] However, I will remain as a contact point for folks who would rather not register themselves and as an aggregation point for smaller [though not less important] amounts of available resources. And folks, the list of things that is available for listing as resources is truly amazing. So if you're thinking of something, but figure it might not be needed, please send an email anyways. You never know. And BTW, I am going to try to actually get FEMA person on the phone, but given the situation, that may not happen, and I'll understand. Also, any of you who are on other lists or forums that I'm not [and that's a lot of them] could you please forward some of this info to them? I don't care if you strip off the url at the bottom, or my name, just please pass on the info and the email address. katrina-relief [at] ledworklights.com is the address to send to. Bless all of you. [and forgive the posting of the entire last message. It's there for people who may have missed it first time round] :Bruce Cooper 847-445-2668 > Guys and Dolls: > > It has been so good to read all the praise and good wishes that have come > from > this list. As well it has been stunning to read Mr. Finney's accounts of > his > efforts. This has inspired me: We can all at least get ready to help. > I've > taken a little time to set up an email address for what I am terming the > Hurricane Katrina Relief - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List. > It's > simply a way to compile in one place a list of resources we all might be able > to > do without. Have a genny sitting about you could spare? Maybe a large > tent? > Or miles and miles of communications cable from that project that fell > through? > Whatever it is, if it could help, list it. There is no contract, so if > you > decide you can't spare it, that is fine as well. I'm just trying to get our > resource list pooled, as I think that might help. > > If you are interested, please email Katrina-Relief [at] ledworklights.com with > the > following info: > > * Type of resource > * Date of Availability > * Usable term [how long can you spare it/ how long will it last] > * Your Name > * Address > * Phone Number where you can be contacted. > > > If you have multiple resources, please list the top three items separately > for > each. These will be maintained in an offline document, so rest assured, your > info is safe from online predators [Though most of you attach the requested > info > to the end of emails, but none the less]. > > > I'm currently trying to get in contact with the FEMA people to let them know > of > this list, and will update if/when that happens. > > Thanks, and bless you all. This truly is a wonderful profession. > > :Bruce Cooper > -- > LED Worklight Systems > 847-445-2668 > http://ledworklights.com > > > > ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: on a serious note Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:00:15 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Look to Japan, they know how to do it efficiently and efficaciously. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Charlie Richmond Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 11:16 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: on a serious note For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 3 Sep 2005, Paul Guncheon wrote: > We have people in Ohio cutting up 6-pack holders so sea turtles won't get > their beaks caught in them. Actually the people in Hawaii do that. The people in Ohio do it so that all types of birds and animals won't get tangled in them. It's just a nice thing to do, golden rule and all that ;-) > There has been a blue recycling container that its in front of my house for > that last two years or so that has never been used. The government can't > quite figure out how to get the process to work. I like to get involved when these worthwhile systems seem not to be working. Sometimes it just requires contacting the people responsible and letting them know it's not happening correctly on my street. > The government added a 5 cent deposit to all cans and bottles here but made > redemption rules so difficult that the government has made around $200 > million dollars so far. Wow! I'd sure do what I can to eliminate that wholly unnecessary profit by finding my nearest bottle depot and collecting up everything I can find! > Question: It has never been logically explained to me about endangered > species. WHY is it important that some species do not become extinct? Isn't Because thousands of species that were previously not endangered become endangered every year. It's an ongoing process whose logical conclusion ends up with humans and everything else being endangered. > it part of the evolutionary process? I understand that some as yet unfound > plant in the "rain forest" (the politically correct name for "jungle") may > someday provide a medicine that cures some malady or another but the "snail > darter"? I heard the snail darter provides the essential ingredients for Viagra and that's why it's endangered.... ;-) Keep up the good questions! Charlie ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: on a serious note (and additional comments) Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:00:15 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is what you are saying: lack of professional planning, knowing all the facts they had, and lots of history. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 5:53 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: on a serious note (and additional comments) For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- "ahhh, , gee , , , these ougth to be on there way NOW !!!! " Ehm, a hospital ship is a *HUGE* undertaking. Those supplies that have to be loaded, and the personaell (that aren't going to be where they normally are) and just moving a dang boat that big is a logistical nightmare. The process was probably started when NO was thought to be threatened, and it just getting done and ready. Imagine if you were called to mount the largest production of some theatrical anomolie that had hundreds of thousands of dollars of expendables, most of them somewhat perishable, a cast of a thousand or so, and oh, yeah, the set is in a theatre somewhere and it has to be taken down and put back up somewhere else, all the perishables have to be shopped for, the actors and crew have to be rounded up, and we need you on the other side of this edge of the continent by Tuesday. Yes, next Tuesday. It really *is* a big production. My sadness comes from the, even if you just look at in financially and ignore everything else, incredible savings that could have been had had FEMA and the other agencies involved taken steps to prevent this. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Pepsi at the Coke show Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:00:15 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: No, it was the same Corporation who owned Madison Square Garden and two hundred other large companies and venues, mostly in the United States. A former client. Dr. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Occy Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 7:29 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Pepsi at the Coke show For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Didn't Coke own Paramount for a while? ----- Original Message ----- From: > When Pepsi owned Columbia Pix, Coke products were banned on screen. > /s/ Richard > > Every-time I worked a Pepsi show there was only Pepsi in the hotel, or > venue. > Mark O'Brien > > > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #510 *****************************