Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24627766; Thu, 08 Sep 2005 03:00:36 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #513 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 03:00:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, BIZ_TLD autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #513 1. Re: Katrina - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List by Bruce Cooper 2. Re: Katrina - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List by Bruce Cooper 3. Hearing impaired by b Ricie 4. Re: Hearing impaired students by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 5. Re: Noises Off Artwork by "Paul Schreiner" 6. Re: Soundproofing by "Peter Scheu" 7. Re: Soundproofing by Greg Bierly 8. Re: Hearing impaired students by MissWisc [at] aol.com 9. Re: Hearing impaired students by Wood Chip-P26398 10. Re: Soundproofing by "Bill Conner" 11. Re: Hearing impaired students by Bruce Purdy 12. Re: Hearing impaired students by "Jon Ares" 13. Re: CAD Symbol by "C. Dopher" 14. American DJ Strobe question by Jerry Durand 15. Re: Hearing impaired students by "Paul Schreiner" 16. Strobes again by Jerry Durand 17. Electrician needed in Colorado by "John D. Palmer" 18. Egypt theatre fire by "Bill Conner" 19. Re: Strobes again by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 20. Re: Podcasts by CB 21. Re: Podcasts by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 22. 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Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <1126095730.431edb72069a3 [at] mail.opentransfer.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:22:10 -0500 From: Bruce Cooper Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: Katrina - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List References: In-Reply-To: Doom: really? as in the message comes back? or what? :Bruce -- LED Worklight Systems 847-445-2668 http://ledworklights.com Quoting RD : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Bruce: I have tried this email and cannot access it. Dr. Doom > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bruce > Cooper > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:05 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Katrina - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Folks: > > I've already received a few resources listed and have begun the process of > getting FEMA involved, and have become a member of the National Emergency > Resources Registry [and hey, if you feel like becoming a member and > bypassing > me, please do http://swern.gov ] However, I will remain as a contact point > for > folks who would rather not register themselves and as an aggregation point > for > smaller [though not less important] amounts of available resources. > > And folks, the list of things that is available for listing as resources > is > truly amazing. So if you're thinking of something, but figure it might not > be > needed, please send an email anyways. You never know. > > And BTW, I am going to try to actually get FEMA person on the phone, but > given > the situation, that may not happen, and I'll understand. > > Also, any of you who are on other lists or forums that I'm not [and that's > a > lot of them] could you please forward some of this info to them? I don't > care > if you strip off the url at the bottom, or my name, just please pass on the > info > and the email address. > > katrina-relief [at] ledworklights.com is the address to send to. > > Bless all of you. [and forgive the posting of the entire last message. > It's > there for people who may have missed it first time round] > > :Bruce Cooper > 847-445-2668 > > > Guys and Dolls: > > > > It has been so good to read all the praise and good wishes that have > come > > from > > this list. As well it has been stunning to read Mr. Finney's accounts of > > his > > efforts. This has inspired me: We can all at least get ready to help. > > I've > > taken a little time to set up an email address for what I am terming the > > Hurricane Katrina Relief - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List. > > It's > > simply a way to compile in one place a list of resources we all might be > able > > to > > do without. Have a genny sitting about you could spare? Maybe a large > > tent? > > Or miles and miles of communications cable from that project that fell > > through? > > Whatever it is, if it could help, list it. There is no contract, so if > > you > > decide you can't spare it, that is fine as well. I'm just trying to get > our > > resource list pooled, as I think that might help. > > > > If you are interested, please email Katrina-Relief [at] ledworklights.com > with > > the > > following info: > > > > * Type of resource > > * Date of Availability > > * Usable term [how long can you spare it/ how long will it last] > > * Your Name > > * Address > > * Phone Number where you can be contacted. > > > > > > If you have multiple resources, please list the top three items separately > > for > > each. These will be maintained in an offline document, so rest assured, > your > > info is safe from online predators [Though most of you attach the > requested > > info > > to the end of emails, but none the less]. > > > > > > I'm currently trying to get in contact with the FEMA people to let them > know > > of > > this list, and will update if/when that happens. > > > > Thanks, and bless you all. This truly is a wonderful profession. > > > > :Bruce Cooper > > -- > > LED Worklight Systems > > 847-445-2668 > > http://ledworklights.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1126095947.431edc4b52499 [at] mail.opentransfer.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:25:47 -0500 From: Bruce Cooper Subject: Re: Katrina - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List References:

In-Reply-To: Folks on the list: Sorry, early morning reply-button-jitters. Anyone else tried to email this and couldn't ? If so, please send to bruce [at] ledworklights.com until I can figure out the problem. :Bruce -- LED Worklight Systems 847-445-2668 http://ledworklights.com Quoting Bruce Cooper : > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Doom: > > really? > > as in the message comes back? or what? > > :Bruce > -- > LED Worklight Systems > 847-445-2668 > http://ledworklights.com > > > Quoting RD : > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Bruce: I have tried this email and cannot access it. Dr. Doom > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bruce > > Cooper > > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:05 PM > > To: Stagecraft > > Subject: Re: Katrina - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List > > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Folks: > > > > I've already received a few resources listed and have begun the process > of > > getting FEMA involved, and have become a member of the National Emergency > > Resources Registry [and hey, if you feel like becoming a member and > > bypassing > > me, please do http://swern.gov ] However, I will remain as a contact point > > for > > folks who would rather not register themselves and as an aggregation point > > for > > smaller [though not less important] amounts of available resources. > > > > And folks, the list of things that is available for listing as resources > > is > > truly amazing. So if you're thinking of something, but figure it might > not > > be > > needed, please send an email anyways. You never know. > > > > And BTW, I am going to try to actually get FEMA person on the phone, but > > given > > the situation, that may not happen, and I'll understand. > > > > Also, any of you who are on other lists or forums that I'm not [and > that's > > a > > lot of them] could you please forward some of this info to them? I don't > > care > > if you strip off the url at the bottom, or my name, just please pass on > the > > info > > and the email address. > > > > katrina-relief [at] ledworklights.com is the address to send to. > > > > Bless all of you. [and forgive the posting of the entire last message. > > It's > > there for people who may have missed it first time round] > > > > :Bruce Cooper > > 847-445-2668 > > > > > Guys and Dolls: > > > > > > It has been so good to read all the praise and good wishes that have > > come > > > from > > > this list. As well it has been stunning to read Mr. Finney's accounts > of > > > his > > > efforts. This has inspired me: We can all at least get ready to help. > > > I've > > > taken a little time to set up an email address for what I am terming the > > > Hurricane Katrina Relief - Live Entertainment Industry Resources List. > > > It's > > > simply a way to compile in one place a list of resources we all might be > > able > > > to > > > do without. Have a genny sitting about you could spare? Maybe a large > > > tent? > > > Or miles and miles of communications cable from that project that fell > > > through? > > > Whatever it is, if it could help, list it. There is no contract, so > if > > > you > > > decide you can't spare it, that is fine as well. I'm just trying to get > > our > > > resource list pooled, as I think that might help. > > > > > > If you are interested, please email Katrina-Relief [at] ledworklights.com > > with > > > the > > > following info: > > > > > > * Type of resource > > > * Date of Availability > > > * Usable term [how long can you spare it/ how long will it last] > > > * Your Name > > > * Address > > > * Phone Number where you can be contacted. > > > > > > > > > If you have multiple resources, please list the top three items > separately > > > for > > > each. These will be maintained in an offline document, so rest assured, > > your > > > info is safe from online predators [Though most of you attach the > > requested > > > info > > > to the end of emails, but none the less]. > > > > > > > > > I'm currently trying to get in contact with the FEMA people to let them > > know > > > of > > > this list, and will update if/when that happens. > > > > > > Thanks, and bless you all. This truly is a wonderful profession. > > > > > > :Bruce Cooper > > > -- > > > LED Worklight Systems > > > 847-445-2668 > > > http://ledworklights.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050907124534.80890.qmail [at] web50609.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 05:45:33 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: Hearing impaired In-Reply-To: I have always viewed a crew as a team, and a stage craft class as a place to get that point across. (especially if your stagecrafters are going to be building your sets). When in the shop have your entire class break into teams and let everyone know they have the added responsibility of keeping an eye on their team mates (read lab Buddie) back. Hopefully the attitude will stick with them. It is always better to keep one eye tuned to what the other guy is doing. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:21:27 GMT Subject: Re: Hearing impaired students Message-Id: <20050907.062223.19411.313115 [at] webmail28.lax.untd.com> Dear Jon, I agree with you; it does remain a heated argument, and while I feel that mainstreaming is appropriate for the hearing impaired, which is the only disability that I have faced, I am not advocating the mainstreaming of students who are seriously impaired emotionally, mentally, have learning disabilities, or are autistic, for example, as I have no experience or expertise in that area. While I would not encourage anyone to be forced to walk in my moccasins, I did explore both CSUN and Gallaudet before attending CSUN, and I'll concede that I may have a (not unusual) bias based upon my own life experiences. /s/ Richard (323)654-2700 TDD ____________________________ I wrote: > > To go further out on a limb, I think that the Cal State Univ Northridge mainstreaming deaf approach is far superior to the isolated approach in Gallaudet. __________________ The response was: Ooh, easy with that one, Richard... you know you're walking into a potential field of landmines with that one. :) (I have been deeply involved in Deaf/HOH theatre, theatre accessibility (shadow interpreting, audio description, etc) and Deaf culture for many years... as you know, there's a HUGE division in the Culture regarding Deaf Culture and Mainstreaming.) - Jon Ares ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Noises Off Artwork Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:25:09 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C916 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Granted, Noises off is a farce, and not to be taken too=20 > seriously, but Also Sprach Zarathustra just doesn't seem to=20 > me like it "Fits" the show. Hamming it up to a point might be=20 > acceptable, but don't let the scene changes upstage and=20 > detract from the show itself! It can be a tough balance to strike (ha!), but well worth the effort for all involved. When I was in college, we did the show in a 3/4-round space with no curtain or "backstage" space to speak of; everything was in full view of the audience. A carefully-choreographed change where the deckhands used a variety of British accents worked remarkably well in maintaining the "unity" of the show; the changes became part of the spectacle, in a way, and we ended up bringing the crew out for bows at the end of the night as well. It wasn't upstaging at all, but added to the "gestalt" of the experience for our audiences, and they loved it. Only problem was that it seemed to cut into our concession sales a little, as people stayed to watch the set change instead of heading out to the lobby for snacks... ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Soundproofing Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:42:56 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: ken frederickson wrote: >thanks. thats exactly what I wanted to hear! Boy, I always get nervous when someone says that. Many times when someone "hears what they want to hear", it isn't necessarily the best advice! But thanks anyway. :-) If you have any other questions, feel free to post here or contact me off lift or off line. Good luck! Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Syracuse, NY www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Soundproofing Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:36:12 -0400 > I want to add some soft surfaces in our auditorium. > > what are other economical materials that can be used > that might be better? I just read in Live Sound International that the $300 acoustical panels the writer had specified for a job looked exactly like $12 worth of heat duct liner to the maintenance guy. (Jack Alexander) He went on to say the building guys "cut it to size, shmear some epoxy or whatever on the edges to harden them up a bit, and glue an organic fiber (wool is nice) over the crunchy side, leaving the foil side exposed to the wall." I cut out the column (Jack's Place) titled Raw Materials. I haven't looked into this any further so I am only going on what I read. I would only caution about the organic fiber thing but being plenum rated the duct liner should meet flammability codes. Now I am sure there are other "exposure" items to take into account but it sounds plausible. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1da.43cb9b22.30505e7b [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:17:15 EDT Subject: Re: Hearing impaired students _ladesigners [at] juno.com_ (mailto:ladesigners [at] juno.com) writes: << I am not advocating the mainstreaming of students who are seriously impaired emotionally, mentally, have learning disabilities, or are autistic, for example, as I have no experience or expertise in that area.>> Having had many years teaching kids with a variety of "disabilities," here's the crux of the problem... There is a HUGE range of "disabilities" and though many students thrive in a fully mainstreamed environment, many do not. In the latter cases it not only does an injustice to the EEN student (Exceptional Educational Needs, the PC term for any child who has been identified as having a condition that qualifies them for additional educational support under Federal Law) but also to everyone in the classroom. Problem is the people who have the authority to make the decision are not the same as the ones who are with the child every day. (Sound familiar?? Most of us have the same thing in our theatres!) Current political thought is every student has the right to be in a traditional classroom. The law actually says the "least restrictive environment" but the pendulum has swung to the side of "all together for better or worse." Students with vision, hearing, physical movement, dyslexia, and other learning problems are easily accommodated. Autism spans from Asperger's Syndrome (which I'd bet many on this list have and aren't even aware of it - makes for great attention to detail, artisticially creative, and an exceptionally good wrote learner) to more severe forms that leave a person with no communication skills at all. It's the emotionally disturbed students who need 5 adults, one for each limb and one for the head, to control their physical rages that are the danger. And I'm talking elementary school here, folks. Worst case I personally dealt with: the student who bites his teacher, masturbates in class, and spits on classmates across the room but won't be removed because "he can't control himself because of his condition". And people wonder why we moved back to "Happy Valley" from the "#1 city to raise a child." Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2E3198416D5E7A4FB3FEC7E6838FE36B0B1AB0 [at] ct11exm60.ds.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: Hearing impaired students Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:50:12 -0700 Count me as one. I read an article on Asperger's Syndrome and noted that I and my 7-year old grandson have many similar traits. He has now been officially diagnosed as Asperger's w/ a little ADD and is receiving therapy and aid. Me, I managed to attain "Old phart" status and will live with it. Some of the symptoms do make for a better technician and probably apply to a great many back-stagers. Chip -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of MissWisc [at] aol.com Autism spans from Asperger's Syndrome (which I'd bet many on this list have and aren't even aware of it - makes for great attention to detail, artisticially creative, and an exceptionally good wrote learner) to more severe forms that leave a person with no communication skills at all. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <018601c5b3d0$c7c54190$6601a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Soundproofing Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:22:49 -0500 Should be sound absorption - not sound proofing - but I have found the two least expensive and effective means are duct liner (such as Owen Corning's SelectSound Acoustic Board) and spray on (ThermoCon's Tex-Ceil or International Cellulose Corp's K13). You might also consider Tectum which has an acceptable finished appearance in some rooms and would be quite easy to install. I am fairly certain all of these are acceptable code wise and do not require retreating like velour curtains. The spray on is NOT a d.i.y. project. It is available in many colors and looks pretty good unless close up. (Also provides thermal insulation as a benefit.) The duct liner - great for a black box ceiling or other rooms where exposed structure materials are acceptable - can be simply dressed up with wood battens and hardware cloth or other open coverings - which would have to be inherently flame retardant of course. I think you will find these less expensive than products from Wenger and similar if the appearance is acceptable. Regards, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 13:42:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Hearing impaired students From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >> Autism spans from Asperger's Syndrome (which I'd bet many on this list have >> and aren't even aware of it - makes for great attention to detail, >> artisticially creative, and an exceptionally good wrote >> learner) to more severe forms that leave a person with no communication >> skills at all. > Count me as one. I read an article on Asperger's Syndrome and noted that I > and my 7-year old grandson have many similar traits. He has now been > officially diagnosed as Asperger's w/ a little ADD and is receiving therapy > and aid. Me, I managed to attain "Old phart" status and will live with it. > Some of the symptoms do make for a better technician and probably apply to a > great many back-stagers. I have long felt that we all have different gifts and abilities, as well as natural weaknesses. It's part of who we are, and makes us unique individuals, rather than cloned generic people. Finding the job that fits who you are is what's important. Now days it seems that there is a named "condition" for everything and it "Needs to be treated". Yes, treatment is a good thing in some extreme situations, but society seems to deem any deviation from the "Norm" as a "Condition". Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001701c5b3d5$0fb45690$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Hearing impaired students Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:53:32 -0700 > Now days it seems that there is a named "condition" for everything and > it "Needs to be treated". Yes, treatment is a good thing in some extreme > situations, but society seems to deem any deviation from the "Norm" as a > "Condition". I am a longtime sufferer of extreme and benign (and banal) Normality. I am neither fit nor obese, I don't suffer from cancer (that I'm aware of), I have no pronounced disabilities except for being follicly-challenged, and I can't wrap my brain around complicated mathematics. I have many abilities, and many other skills I cannot do. (Therefore I am not going to demand I be allowed to participate as a brain surgeon, as I have no particular aptitude for such a stunt. I'll probably keep deep-sea diving and running FEMA off the list as well.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 13:59:56 -0400 Subject: Re: CAD Symbol From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c5b31c$c5121540$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> On 9/6/05 3:54 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > Does anyone out there have a symbol you reallyreallyreally like for a > half-high-hat? I'm usually satisfied with one that's half the depth of a regular high-hat symbol; but I take it you want some more foolproof differentiation... I have resorted - twice - to putting a tiny little "1/2" inside the half-hat. Seemed to help, at least with the electricians who could read... Cris Dopher, LD ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050907111350.029c32d0 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:18:12 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: American DJ Strobe question A customer is using an American DJ "Energy DMX" strobe and says it's acting funny. Sometimes after it's been stopped for a while (with DMX still running), it will take 5+ seconds for it to start after he sends the GO command. Most of the time it starts instantly. He said he's lowered our DMX frame rate and the strobe seems to work better around 3 DMX frames per second. Anybody have any experience with this? I suggested he call the factory to see if there's a work-around. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Hearing impaired students Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:27:51 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C91B [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > I am a longtime sufferer of extreme and benign (and banal)=20 > Normality. =20 Interesting...I've always been under the impression that it was a terminal condition... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050907115534.04086b20 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:58:16 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Strobes again That customer just got back to me, American DJ said "check the voltage on the serial cable from the computer". Since the serial cable goes to our DMX box, he didn't buy that as being a problem and has asked for a recommendation for a strobe like the Energy DMX" except he wants it to strobe when told to (not when it feels like it). -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200509071937.EQH90373 [at] ms7.netsolmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:37:17 -0700 From: "John D. Palmer" Subject: Electrician needed in Colorado Reply-To: john [at] palmerandcompany.biz Hi Folks, I am looking for one electrician to help focus display lighting for a store in Silverthorne, Colorado on Monday the 12th in the afternoon. The exact time is TBD. Silverthorne is about an hour outside of Denver to the west. The job usually takes about 3-4hrs and pays cash for at least a 4hr minimum. The electrician needs to be able to carry and work on a 10' step ladder. The single biggest requirement for the job is a good work attitude. The focus is rudimentary. If anyone is interested, contact me off list by email at john [at] palmerandcompany.biz or call me at (213) 453-1547 for further details. Thanks, John John D. Palmer Palmer & Company Design & Production Los Angeles, Ca. (213) 453-1547 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <027301c5b3f1$5ebc34d0$6601a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Egypt theatre fire Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:16:01 -0500 I thought this had some new info on the fire. Best I can tell this was an unsprinklered big room (ball room, studio or black box theatre, or other similar space - not a theatre with full working stage). Not a new story: crowded room, egress blocked, lots of combustibles, open flames, bad management. Remove any one of those or add sprinklers and a good chance no one dies. http://g.msn.com/0MN2ET7/2?http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9219492&&CM=EmailThis&CE=1 Bill ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Strobes again Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:23:00 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c5b3f2$5652c650$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: If he must buy DJ-grade gear, the Chauvet stuff is better than the ADJ, in my somewhat limited experience. http://www.chauvetlighting.com/ > That customer just got back to me, American DJ said "check the > voltage on the serial cable from the computer". Since the serial > cable goes to our DMX box, he didn't buy that as being a problem and > has asked for a recommendation for a strobe like the > Energy DMX" except he wants it to strobe when told to (not when it > feels like it) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050907152914.00b39d28 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:29:14 From: CB Subject: Re: Podcasts >Would the TWIT issue fall under the same rules as ACT - >separate and discrete and non-competitive, etc? Dunno, not a lawyer. This spefically why I use words like 'may', 'could', 'might', etc. in my posts where I don't have standing. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Podcasts Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:33:34 -0400 Message-ID: <001e01c5b3fc$31dceda0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > >Would the TWIT issue fall under the same rules as ACT - separate and=20 > >discrete and non-competitive, etc? >=20 > Dunno, not a lawyer. This spefically why I use words like=20 > 'may', 'could', 'might', etc. in my posts where I don't have standing. I'm not a lawyer, but I know an actor who plays one on TV.... My guess (GUESS. Underlined, italicized, and in bold-face) is that = there's not enough difference between a podcast and a radio show for then to = qualify as "separate and discrete and non-competitive". ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050907154143.029bf990 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:43:09 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Strobes again In-Reply-To: References:

At 02:23 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote: >If he must buy DJ-grade gear, the Chauvet stuff is better than the ADJ, in >my somewhat limited experience. > >http://www.chauvetlighting.com/ He said pro gear would be ok. I convinced him that cheapest isn't always best. He was also interested in a luminaire with built-in DMX dimmer (so he could just control it from our box). -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Strobes again Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:48:51 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c5b3fe$52361bb0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > He was also interested in a luminaire with built-in DMX > dimmer (so he could just control it from our box). The Altman SpectraPAR LED fixture. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050907155540.029be578 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:02:48 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Strobes again In-Reply-To: References:

At 03:48 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote: > > He was also interested in a luminaire with built-in DMX > > dimmer (so he could just control it from our box). > >The Altman SpectraPAR LED fixture. Doesn't appear to have a built-in DMX dimmer, seems to need an external box. I sent him off to LED Effects, they have RGB floods with built-in dimmers and I know they work because a bunch of the outdoor ones have been running off one of our boxes for a while now. We had one with an external dimmer at the last USITT expo. My only complaints about the LED Effects ones are they should be run off a splitter since there's a long cable up to the luminaire with no return...you wind up with a star configuration which DMX doesn't like. Also, there's no way to change the DMX address. You order them pre-set. The up-side is they're fully weatherproof and rugged for outdoor use. Also, they say they have a patent on dimming their LEDs that pre-dates the KC ones, so you're legal using them. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19255.69.59.200.119.1126135477.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: American DJ Strobe question From: "Bill Nelson" > A customer is using an American DJ "Energy DMX" strobe and says it's > acting funny. Sometimes after it's been stopped for a while (with > DMX still running), it will take 5+ seconds for it to start after he > sends the GO command. Most of the time it starts instantly. He said > he's lowered our DMX frame rate and the strobe seems to work better > around 3 DMX frames per second. > > Anybody have any experience with this? I suggested he call the > factory to see if there's a work-around. Possibly too weak a signal, so the strobe is losing sync on occasion. The first thing to try would be a DMX repeater in the line, maybe even just before the strobe. This would work if the strobe itself is just insensitive. Bill ------------------------------ Subject: RE: American DJ Strobe question Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:23:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" Maybe a stupid question, but what kind of power supply is he using? We = had a similar issue when we used another type of ADJ strobe and the = technician had plugged it into a dimming power circuit, even though the = dimmer pack had been replaced with a non-dim pack. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Bill Nelson Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 7:25 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: American DJ Strobe question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- > A customer is using an American DJ "Energy DMX" strobe and says it's > acting funny. Sometimes after it's been stopped for a while (with > DMX still running), it will take 5+ seconds for it to start after he > sends the GO command. Most of the time it starts instantly. He said > he's lowered our DMX frame rate and the strobe seems to work better > around 3 DMX frames per second. > > Anybody have any experience with this? I suggested he call the > factory to see if there's a work-around. Possibly too weak a signal, so the strobe is losing sync on occasion. = The first thing to try would be a DMX repeater in the line, maybe even just before the strobe. This would work if the strobe itself is just insensitive. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050907162221.029c0198 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:26:54 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: American DJ Strobe question In-Reply-To: References:

At 04:24 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote: >Possibly too weak a signal, so the strobe is losing sync on occasion. The >first thing to try would be a DMX repeater in the line, maybe even just >before the strobe. This would work if the strobe itself is just >insensitive. Shouldn't be too weak, he's only got 6' between our box and the strobe. Since he's controlling our box from a C++ program he wrote, there's the possibility that something is hanging up there. I had to remind him about handshaking early on, so he could have something else mis-configured. And no, he hasn't said what else the program does, but the light coming on when commanded is apparently a minor, but critical part of it. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050907162709.029c85e0 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:29:59 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: American DJ Strobe question In-Reply-To: References: At 04:23 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote: >Maybe a stupid question, but what kind of power supply is he using? >We had a similar issue when we used another type of ADJ strobe and >the technician had plugged it into a dimming power circuit, even >though the dimmer pack had been replaced with a non-dim pack. AFAIK he's got it plugged into the same outlet the computer is plugged into. For his testing it's the only thing on the DMX cable and is sitting on the table next to the computer. Maybe it's having a 200W strobe sitting next to him that's the problem, I wouldn't want one in my face. :) -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <431F79B1.6070307 [at] audiovisualdevices.com.au> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:37:21 +1000 From: David Duffy Subject: Re: American DJ Strobe question References:

In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: > Maybe it's having a 200W strobe sitting next to him that's the > problem, I wouldn't want one in my face. :) I have a pair a welding goggles to wear when testing the 1500W ones! David... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19299.69.59.200.119.1126137038.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:50:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: American DJ Strobe question From: "Bill Nelson" > AFAIK he's got it plugged into the same outlet the computer is > plugged into. For his testing it's the only thing on the DMX cable > and is sitting on the table next to the computer. Is there a terminator on the strobe. It usually is not necessary for short runs, but still should not be left off. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050907165135.029c8040 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:54:30 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: American DJ Strobe question In-Reply-To: References:

At 04:50 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote: >Is there a terminator on the strobe. It usually is not necessary for short >runs, but still should not be left off. No, there isn't. He doesn't have one since the ADJ documentation says "A terminator is recommended if the cable is over 100' long." I did recommend one, but since he's only got 6' of good cable (I supplied it), I don't think that should be a problem. I'm guessing the strobe is going into a power-down mode or something and has to recharge (assuming his program isn't hanging up). -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19320.69.59.200.119.1126138777.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: American DJ Strobe question From: "Bill Nelson" >>Is there a terminator on the strobe. It usually is not necessary for >> short runs, but still should not be left off. > > No, there isn't. He doesn't have one since the ADJ documentation > says "A terminator is recommended if the cable is over 100' long." I > did recommend one, but since he's only got 6' of good cable (I > supplied it), I don't think that should be a problem. I'm guessing > the strobe is going into a power-down mode or something and has to > recharge (assuming his program isn't hanging up). With ADJ stuff, who knows? It shouldn't go into standby or power down as long as the DMX signal is always present. Does your box always put out a valid signal, even with no input? The programmer needs to check to make sure his software is always supplying valid codes - even when the strobe is idle. Bill ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: American DJ Strobe question Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:24:03 -0700 On Sep 7, 2005, at 5:19 PM, Bill Nelson wrote: > With ADJ stuff, who knows? It shouldn't go into standby or power > down as > long as the DMX signal is always present. Does your box always put > out a > valid signal, even with no input? Yes, it just keeps sending out the same data until told to change it (he doesn't have any macros running in our box). He said he's experimented with the number of DMX frames/second and the strobe seems happiest at 3. 30 I could believe, 3 sounds too slow even for DJ gear. > > The programmer needs to check to make sure his software is always > supplying valid codes - even when the strobe is idle. The two DMX channels consider anything from 0-FF as valid, so that shouldn't be a problem. Now, maybe he is telling my box to turn off the DMX output or something like that. At this point I'm guessing it might be pilot error OR the strobe getting tired of sitting around waiting. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <431F9365.20004 [at] icdc.com> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:27:01 -0400 From: JT Organization: Sorely Lacking Subject: Auto A/C and MPG Hooray! I can finally weigh in on one... >>>They actually did this on Mythbusters a while back. >>...if they had chosen a vehicle that had inherently better aerodynamics to start with, where the open windows would have made more of a difference. -------- I hold a "day job" in the automotive world, working for an automotive trade group. In June of 2004, I attended an SAE seminar in Phoenix, AZ. Bill Hill, a climate engineer at GM (and all-around good guy) studied just this question and reported on it during the seminar. I chided him that he has WAY too much fun at work. He just smiled. Briefly stated, they took two vehicles, an SUV and a "pretty standard sedan" and tested them in the wind tunnel and on the test track. The wind tunnel is a climate chamber as well so varables of temp and humidity could be controlled. Tunnel test included wind at 0 degrees angle (head on) and 12 degrees, representing crosswinds. Tests were run A/C on-off and windows open/closed on the rolling road (chassis dyno)in the chamber. The recorded drag numbers were converted to "equivalent energy at the wheels" using other GM data. The wind tunnel tests were then repeated at the test track regarding speed and drag measurements. Real world results correlated closely with the tunnel tests. After testing at speeds of 50, 80 and 100 kph (~31, 50, 62 mph)they found that the extra power required by open windows increases gradually until about 80 kph (~48mph) after which the curve shoots up disproportional to the speed; a little more speed uses a lot more fuel abouve 80 kph. Compressor (A/C) related loads are not significantly affected by aero drag, but are hugely affected by ambient temperature. Using A/C in high ambient temperatures exacts a larger fuel penalty. Windows-down operation can have a significant impact on fuel mileage at higher speeds. There is a crossover point, at which the energy required by the A/C compressor is less than that to overcome the drag of the open windows. In VERY general terms, the crossover point is in the mid-to-high 40 mph range for the vehicles tested when the outside temperature was 15-20 deg C (59-68 deg F). So roll 'em up over 45 mph BUT know that the crossover point is significantly affected by ambient temp and humidity as well as road speed. Stated another way, on a hot humid day, you may save gas with the windows still open at 55mph, because the compressor would be working so hard...the crossover point (of efficiency) has risen into the 50 mph's. No, there is no dash gauge to tell you when the crossover will occur. And on the matter of old cars' A/C systems that still should contain R-12,(Freon is DuPont's trade name for the product...) by all means repair them to not leak. Simply refilling them to leak again is stupid, expensive and environmentally irresponsible. (R-12 eats the ozone layer and all that.) But when recharging those systems, know this: ALL the OE manufacturers state that the best refrigerant to put in an R-12 system is--surprise!-- R-12. It's still available, and not too pricey. But fix the damn leak first! Older systems CAN (but are NOT required) to be converted to the newer R-134a refrigerant, BUT the cooling output of a properly converted system is about 90% of the original refrigerant. Satisfactory in most places, but a little edgy in really hot humid places. Back to lurking. Regards, Jim Taylor Acoustic Light (and automotive editor) ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002301c5b42f$d9e95fa0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Auto A/C and MPG Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:43:26 -0700 > I hold a "day job" in the automotive world, working for an automotive > trade group. In June of 2004, I attended an SAE seminar in Phoenix, AZ. <> > Older systems CAN (but are NOT required) to be converted to the newer > R-134a refrigerant, BUT the cooling output of a properly converted > system is about 90% of the original refrigerant. Satisfactory in most > places, but a little edgy in really hot humid places. This was majorly enlightening... thank you for sharing! - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: American DJ Strobe question Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:17:38 -0700 Good point, as I have always gotten better luck polflieing at 100% than using a non-dim mod. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James, Brian" Maybe a stupid question, but what kind of power supply is he using? We had a similar issue when we used another type of ADJ strobe and the technician had plugged it into a dimming power circuit, even though the dimmer pack had been replaced with a non-dim pack. ------------------------------ From: John Arrowsmith Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:47:24 +0100 Message-ID: <20059884724.927253 [at] arrowsmiths> Subject: Off-topic but about New Orleans My apologies in advance if I'm posting something here that you good folk= are already totally familiar with, but I've only just this morning come across= an article called "Drowning New Orleans" from the October 2001 "Scientific American" and it's ... well, it's just a must-read, compelling set of six= pages. The link:- http://tinyurl.com/9n7yz John in the UK, on a newer email address -- Voluntary website provider/editor at http://www.rockchallenge.co.uk for the= annual series of performing-arts anti-substance-abuse extravaganzas called= UK Rock Challenge ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #513 *****************************