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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24704875; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 03:02:06 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #520 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 03:01:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, SARE_MONEYTERMS autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #520 1. Phantom in Atlanta by Jonathan Wills 2. Re: Rental/Liability by Howard Ires 3. Paint floor by b Ricie 4. Re: Lights for the deaf in Music Performances by Stan Pressner 5. Re: Suicide Rope by "Paul Guncheon" 6. Re[2]: Counterweight Rigging Operation by "Dan Culhane" 7. Rock Star: INXS by "Storms, Randy" 8. Re: Rock Star: INXS by "Secore, Scott" 9. Re: Rock Star: INXS by "Michael S. Eddy" 10. Re: Suicide Rope by "Randy Whitcomb" 11. Re: Rock Star: Inxs by "Secore, Scott" 12. Pynelogs Cultural Centre by Jerry Durand 13. Re: Rock Star: Inxs by Pat Kight 14. Re: Rock Star: Inxs by "Davis, Thomas J" 15. Re: Rock Star: Inxs by "Jon Ares" 16. Re: Lights for the deaf in Music Performances by "C. Dopher" 17. Re: Rock Star: Inxs by "Storms, Randy" 18. Re: Rock Star: Inxs by "Fritz, Barry L" 19. Re: Rock Star: Inxs by "Davis, Thomas J" 20. intellectual property / ethics by Barney Simon 21. Re: Help with show selection by "Paul Schreiner" 22. Re: intellectual property / ethics by Pat Kight 23. Re: intellectual property / ethics by Bill Sapsis 24. Re: intellectual property / ethics by Kevin Lee Allen 25. Re: intellectual property / ethics by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 26. Re: intellectual property / ethics by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 27. Re: intellectual property / ethics by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 28. Re: intellectual property / ethics by Bill Sapsis 29. Re: intellectual property / ethics by Stephen Litterst 30. Re: intellectual property / ethics by "Jon Ares" 31. Re: intellectual property / ethics by Bill Sapsis 32. Re: intellectual property / ethics by MissWisc [at] aol.com 33. Re: intellectual property / ethics by "Matthew Breton" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:33:42 -0400 From: Jonathan Wills Reply-To: jbwills [at] gmail.com Subject: Phantom in Atlanta Is anyone on the list working the Phantom of the Opera in Atlanta? I am going this weekend and would love to get a behind the scenes tour if possible. If anyone is working the show or knows someone who is and coul demail me off list that would be great. Thanks, Jonathan Wills ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43282257.2020003 [at] hillinteractive.net> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:15:03 -0400 From: Howard Ires Subject: Re: Rental/Liability References: In-Reply-To: GEOFFREY KAUFMAN wrote: > The community groups help > themselves to any and all backstage equipment (fly, lights, sound, props, > etc) because the custodians give them access. In an extreme situation like this I would padlock all that dangerous stuff and not give anyone the key except your person that the outside group has to hire. Make it clear that outside groups MUST hire your person to use the stuff. Make it clear to the superintendent or the principal or whoever that this is a safety issue. Make friends with the custodians and make them understand that if they unlock your padlocks for outside groups they are stepping on your toes. Pick a responsible kid to be head of the Stage Crew and give that kid the keys, and the custodians the kids number, if necessary, for groups that decide at the last minute they need to use the sound console with the plywood cover padlocked over it. Teach the kids to write a bill and present it to whoever pays the bills for the group using your venue. note: I made a lot of money as a student in High School working the school auditorium (1000 seats) for outside groups. Your kids can do the same. -----------------H ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050914132759.88866.qmail [at] web50610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:27:59 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: Paint floor In-Reply-To: The Paint floor the Boston Ballet used to paint all their "Nut..."(to early for the entire word) was quite simple. We put down a large area of ply(like 1/2") then staggered seams above with homosote. The staggering held everything in place, and the homosote was easy to staple into.(easy to get the staples out as well). Paint the homosote with a primer so it won't soak up all the paint, or if you wish,cover with some bogus paper. It is an easy floor to install, remove and store. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:28:48 -0400 From: Stan Pressner Subject: Re: Lights for the deaf in Music Performances In-reply-to: Message-id: References: Color organs have a long history. The following is from a review of =20 "Visual Music" the recent show at the Hirshhorn and MOCA: "Fueled by the belief that projected light might constitute an =20 independent art, artists in Europe and America designed instruments =20 seeking to link the color spectrum to the musical scale. American =20 artist Charles Dockum (1904=9677), Russian artist Daniel Vladimir =20 Baranoff-Rossin=E9 (1888=961944), Czech artist Zden=ECk Pe=89=E1nek = (1896=96=20 1965), and Danish-born Thomas Wilfred (1889=961968) created "color =20 organs." These instruments were controlled by a piano-style keyboard =20 linked to a projector that bathed a screen in ever-changing colored =20 light. Pictures developed over time like musical compositions. Few of =20= these color organs have survived; however, rarely seen film footage =20 of these distinctive projections is included in the exhibition. The =20 most successful extant light instruments were created by Thomas =20 Wilfred and the exhibition features a major piece, Opus 152: Study in =20= Depth (1952), which has recently been restored to working order by =20 the Hirshhorn." Best, Stan Pressner On Sep 14, 2005, at 6:00 AM, Stagecraft wrote: > From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com > Message-ID: <128.64fd02b9.3058adf9 [at] aol.com> > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:34:33 EDT > Subject: Re: Lights for the deaf in Music Performances The late Fred Bentham, a major designer of equipment for Strand =20 Electric, invented a concept of "Colour Music" back in the late thirties. This =20 involved an unusual control he had designed, which worked much like an organ, and =20= looked like one too. He used to give recitals of it in the Strand demonstration theatre. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 04:08:47 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Suicide Rope Message-id: <03e101c5b935$d3d739b0$c6354104 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: <> Curious... Is that scripted in the lyrics? Laters, Paul Bounced between Shell and me a few times it became: "It's only a lowly prisoner climbing down a knotted sheet to escape", said Tom condescendingly. ------------------------------ From: "Dan Culhane" Subject: Re[2]: Counterweight Rigging Operation Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:29:17 -0500 Message-ID: Frank, That is correct the arbors are stage left and the rope locks are stage right on an elevated platform. The architect did not want to take up precious floor space stage left with a locking rail. So they put up a fence in front of the arbors and we routed the purchase lines to stage right where there was more spaced but not the height. Dan Culhane d.culhane [at] secoa.com >From: "Frank E. Merrill" > >Howdy ! >Monday, September 12, 2005, Dan Culhane wrote: >> SECOA did install a system about 5 years ago where the architect insisted >> that the lock rail on a single purchase system be located on an elevated >> platform on the other side of the stage. > >I'm trying to visualize... Does that mean that the arbors are on >stage left and the locks are on stage right? Sure sounds like a whole >lotta Manilla... > >Best regards, >Frank E. Merrill >MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT ------------------------------ Subject: Rock Star: INXS Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:28:30 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C026 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Did anyone happen to watch Rock Star: INXS last night? At the end of = his set, contestant "JD" lobbed his (~$700.00) Shure U2/58 microphone = into the crowd. I'm surprised he didn't brain somebody. In any event, = he lost *my* vote... -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Rock Star: INXS Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:47:29 -0400 Message-ID: <346414591B50EE4299DB6686321B8CC701D2932A [at] FACSTAFF.facultystaff.eku.edu> From: "Secore, Scott" >>>>Did anyone happen to watch Rock Star: INXS last night? At the end of his set, contestant "JD" lobbed his (~$700.00) Shure U2/58 microphone into the crowd. I'm surprised he didn't brain somebody. In any event, he lost *my* vote...<<<< You know, that always kills me.=20 Every time I watch some clown on TV or something swinging around gear, and/or dropping/smashing it into the ground to "look cool", or for effect, I cringe.=20 My first thought is always condolences to the sound guy. Especially if it's house gear, not the performers stock.=20 Back in the day, we used to make a lot of money charging goofballs for new gear that way. You break it, you buy it :) -Scott TTS EKU ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: RE: Rock Star: INXS Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:03:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: > >>>>Did anyone happen to watch Rock Star: INXS last night? At the end > of his set, contestant "JD" lobbed his (~$700.00) Shure U2/58 microphone > into the crowd. I'm surprised he didn't brain somebody. In any event, > he lost *my* vote...<<<< > > You know, that always kills me. > Every time I watch some clown on TV or something swinging around gear, > and/or dropping/smashing it into the ground to "look cool", or for > effect, I cringe. > My first thought is always condolences to the sound guy. Especially if > it's house gear, not the performers stock. > Back in the day, we used to make a lot of money charging goofballs for > new gear that way. You break it, you buy it :) Did anyone see the Daily Show last night? They are doing special shows all week about evolution. There was a bit called "Day With a Monkey". You can see it at: http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/videos/headlines/index.jht ml It is a four minute clip, but close to the end, the monkey is a reporter that seriously hammers what looks like a Shure 58 into the desk! Michael S. Eddy Eddy Marketing & Consulting mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000401c5b93e$094e1430$6501a8c0 [at] D4D3R151> From: "Randy Whitcomb" References:

Subject: Re: Suicide Rope Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:07:32 -0600 ----- Original Message ----- > < to jump off a bridge...>> > > Curious... Is that scripted in the lyrics? yep. Rather specific stage directions as to where in song he approaches the bridge; when he steps over the railing and when he jumps. Guess what musical I'm doing this year? Twice in fact at two different schools. Randy Whitcomb, Manager Price Civic Aud. Loveland, CO. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Rock Star: Inxs Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:00:44 -0400 Message-ID: <346414591B50EE4299DB6686321B8CC701D2932B [at] FACSTAFF.facultystaff.eku.edu> From: "Secore, Scott" >>>Did anyone see the Daily Show last night? the monkey is a reporter that seriously hammers what looks like a Shure 58 into the desk!<<< Yeah, saw that too. It was pretty funny, despite the destruction of course.=20 But Comedy Central most definitely has the cash for new gear, unlike the rest of us poor folk who cling to what we have and what we can afford :) -Scott TTS EKU ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050914092152.029be608 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:24:26 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Pynelogs Cultural Centre The end of this month I'll be in Radium Hot Springs, BC and see there's a live theatre there. Anyone on the list work there? Anything interesting going on? -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43284F72.9050807 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:27:30 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Rock Star: Inxs References: In-Reply-To: Secore, Scott wrote: >>>>Did anyone see the Daily Show last night? the monkey is a reporter > that seriously hammers what looks like a Shure 58 into the desk!<<< > Yeah, saw that too. It was pretty funny, despite the destruction of > course. > But Comedy Central most definitely has the cash for new gear, unlike the > rest of us poor folk who cling to what we have and what we can afford :) Hey, maybe it was a broken mic. I know we keep all kinds of no-longer-functional stuff around to scavenge for parts and props... -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Rock Star: Inxs Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:37:14 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A924D [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Pat Kight Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:28 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Rock Star: Inxs For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Secore, Scott wrote: >>>>Did anyone see the Daily Show last night? the monkey is a reporter > that seriously hammers what looks like a Shure 58 into the desk!<<< > Yeah, saw that too. It was pretty funny, despite the destruction of > course.=20 > But Comedy Central most definitely has the cash for new gear, unlike the > rest of us poor folk who cling to what we have and what we can afford :) Hey, maybe it was a broken mic. I know we keep all kinds of=20 no-longer-functional stuff around to scavenge for parts and props... --=20 Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org _____________________________________________________ It's an SM58.=20 DISCLAIMER_ DO NOT TRY ANY OF THE FOLLOWING AS EQUIPMENT DAMAGE AND/OR PERSONAL INJURY MAY RESULT.=20 I saw a guy do a demo with one years ago in which he drove a nail (ok, it was a small nail- 4 penny or something) with one, then plugged it in and it still worked. There are some here on campus that are 15 or 20 years old, occasionally left out in the rain, spent most of that time touring with the college music group, have no paint, but they still work. I can testify, from personal experience, that you can drop one into an orchestra pit with a concrete floor and it will still work. Maybe I'm just very lucky. But if SM-58s had a claw for nail removal, I'd carry one in my toolbox. Of course, none of those described were Beta 58s. Downside to the betas, and other condensers, is that they just don't stand up to that kind of abuse. Tom D ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001301c5b953$e2130a90$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: Rock Star: Inxs Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:43:57 -0700 > There are some here on campus that are 15 or 20 > years old, occasionally left out in the rain, spent most of that time > touring with the college music group, have no paint, but they still > work. I can testify, from personal experience, that you can drop one > into an orchestra pit with a concrete floor and it will still work. I have a friend (independent production company) that has 2 SM-58s that are over 20 years old - and survived a fire. At a shoot once, they had left some gear overnight in a building that burned down during the night. Next day, picking through the soggy charcoal, he found the mics. Still work like a champ today. (The metal is a little pitted, and the finish burned off, but they're a lovely shiny steel.) - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:55:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Lights for the deaf in Music Performances From: "C. Dopher" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <128.64fd02b9.3058adf9 [at] aol.com> On 9/13/05 6:34 PM, "FrankWood95 [at] aol.com" wrote: > The late Fred Bentham, a major designer of equipment for Strand Electric, > invented a concept of "Colour Music" back in the late thirties. This involved > an > unusual control he had designed, which worked much like an organ, and looked > like one too. He used to give recitals of it in the Strand demonstration > theatre. > > Such a thing was installed in Lisbon in 1941, the Drury Lane theatre in > London in 1950, the London Coliseum in 1952. Also at the Royal Festival Hall, > in > 1951, and at Her Majesty's theatre, and at the Adelphi theatre. It never > really > caught on, probably for the simple reason that it required the lighting > designer to drive it for every rehearsal and performance. In effect, the > lighting > was always done 'on the fly'. Which reminds me, the other thing I forgot to suggest to the submitter was to go see some rock concerts. Music made visual; cake and pie. Cris Dopher, LD ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Rock Star: Inxs Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:48:07 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C02B [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" >Of course, none of those described were Beta 58s. Downside to the = betas, >and other condensers, is that they just don't stand up to that kind of >abuse. >Tom D ________________________________ The Beta 58, like the venerable SM58, is a dynamic microphone, not a = condenser. Are you thinking of the Beta 87? That does bring up an interesting point, though: *Is* there a downside = (excepting price) to the Beta series vs. the SM's? Empirical evidence? = Anecdotal? -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Rock Star: Inxs Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:06:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Fritz, Barry L" > That does bring up an interesting point, though: *Is* there a downside > (excepting price) to the Beta series vs. the SM's? Empirical evidence? > Anecdotal? >=20 > -- r. >=20 > Randy Storms I would take a Beta over a SM in most cases. Better sound, greater gain before feedback, and just as rugged from my experience. =20 I still prefer SM-57's to Beta 57's on toms and floor toms though. I'd rather have a drum stick wack one my older/cheaper SM-57's than a Beta. Barry ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Rock Star: Inxs Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:11:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A924E [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" ________________________________ The Beta 58, like the venerable SM58, is a dynamic microphone, not a condenser. Are you thinking of the Beta 87? That does bring up an interesting point, though: *Is* there a downside (excepting price) to the Beta series vs. the SM's? Empirical evidence? Anecdotal? -- r. Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu ____________________________________________ Oops, my bad. I have SM-58s AND Beta 87s, but no Beta 58. I was assuming the Beta 58 was a condenser by virtue of being Beta. The Beta 87s are the super cardioid pattern model, and some performers won't stay far enough away from it for even sound pick up. And it can pick up every gurgle in the back of their throat when they are speaking quietly. Which I don't see as a bad thing. In the hands of a good vocalist, it produces wonderful sound. Still, condenser or no, I think the extra expense for the Beta 58 makes the old reliable SM 58 the better choice for driving nails. Tom D ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43287AE3.70407 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:32:51 -0400 From: Barney Simon Reply-To: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co., Inc Subject: intellectual property / ethics References: In-Reply-To: Okay, first I'll admit that I have seen both these topics before, and typically skip them. But NOW, I am looking for information. Let me pose a hypothetical... A client comes to me with a digital file (maybe specially commissioned, maybe not) to digitally print on a 30 x 30 muslin. The printer ships it to me and it is printed on canvas, so I have them redo it. The printer does not want the wrong one back and the client does not know that it exists (we were able to find and correct the issue before the due date and it is fixed) So I have delivered the muslin version, and I have a canvas version on my shelf. Can I: add it to my rental stock? sell it to the client as a spare? use it at trade shows to say see we digitally print? -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes Drops and Dance Floors 423 West 43rd Street, NYC 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Help with show selection Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:54:45 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C94E [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > We did this show last year as a student-directed one act. =20 > It's a funny show, but I don't think it's inappropriate or=20 > disrespectful. There's a one-act version? I can only find the full-length one... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43288209.2010403 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:03:21 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: intellectual property / ethics References:

In-Reply-To: Barney Simon wrote: > Let me pose a hypothetical... > A client comes to me with a digital file (maybe specially commissioned, > maybe not) to digitally print on a 30 x 30 muslin. The printer ships it > to me and it is printed on canvas, so I have them redo it. > The printer does not want the wrong one back and the client does not > know that it exists (we were able to find and correct the issue before > the due date and it is fixed) > So I have delivered the muslin version, and I have a canvas version on > my shelf. > > Can I: add it to my rental stock? sell it to the client as a spare? use > it at trade shows to say see we digitally print? > Without permission? No, yes and maybe, in that order. With permission? Whatever's negotiable. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:34:30 -0400 Subject: Re: intellectual property / ethics From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Barney.....You tell the client what happened and ask them if they want to buy the bad one from you at a reduced price. When they say no, ask them if you can keep it. If they say yes, you're good to go. If they say no, you now own a lovely wall decoration for your warehouse. Zat help? Maybe a little? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile On 9/14/05 3:32 PM, "Barney Simon" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Okay, first I'll admit that I have seen both these topics before, and > typically skip them. But NOW, I am looking for information. > > Let me pose a hypothetical... > A client comes to me with a digital file (maybe specially commissioned, > maybe not) to digitally print on a 30 x 30 muslin. The printer ships it > to me and it is printed on canvas, so I have them redo it. > The printer does not want the wrong one back and the client does not > know that it exists (we were able to find and correct the issue before > the due date and it is fixed) > So I have delivered the muslin version, and I have a canvas version on > my shelf. > > Can I: add it to my rental stock? sell it to the client as a spare? use > it at trade shows to say see we digitally print? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:11:45 -0400 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: intellectual property / ethics In-reply-to: Message-id: <33322F9A-3DED-4CFB-87C0-48673D900ED3 [at] klad.com> References:

wow, an all but Solomonic answer. I try to do the best I can with each of these moral/ethical dilemmas. =20= This was worthy of George Carlson. Good answer. Doesn't exactly =20 address the issue of where did the artwork originate, but certainly =20 put the onus on the client to address the issue, if required. On Sep 14, 2005, at 4:34 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote: > Barney.....You tell the client what happened and ask them if they =20 > want to > buy the bad one from you at a reduced price. When they say no, ask =20 > them if > you can keep it. If they say yes, you're good to go. If they say =20 > no, you > now own a lovely wall decoration for your warehouse. > ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1e5.445c74a2.3059f47b [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:47:39 EDT Subject: Re: intellectual property / ethics In a message dated 14/09/05 20:36:07 GMT Daylight Time, barney [at] JosephCHansen.com writes: > A client comes to me with a digital file (maybe specially commissioned, > maybe not) to digitally print on a 30 x 30 muslin. The printer ships it > to me and it is printed on canvas, so I have them redo it. > The printer does not want the wrong one back and the client does not > know that it exists (we were able to find and correct the issue before > the due date and it is fixed) > So I have delivered the muslin version, and I have a canvas version on > my shelf. > > Can I: add it to my rental stock? sell it to the client as a spare? use > it at trade shows to say see we digitally print? Tricky. The copyright material is the original artwork. FWIW, I think that you could give, not sell, it to your client. You certainly can't add it to your rental stock. Using it at trade shows is harder, but my conscience says NO. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <100.1bd4ef40.3059f60b [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:54:19 EDT Subject: Re: intellectual property / ethics In a message dated 14/09/05 21:36:29 GMT Daylight Time, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: > Barney.....You tell the client what happened and ask them if they want to > buy the bad one from you at a reduced price. When they say no, ask them if > you can keep it. If they say yes, you're good to go. I think you're wrong, here. The copyright is in the artwork, not in the reproduced image. Think of a book. The copyright is with the author, through the agency of the publisher. The printer, which is where we are, has no standing. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:53:38 GMT Subject: Re: intellectual property / ethics Message-Id: <20050914.145435.8422.426171 [at] webmail06.lax.untd.com> Nobody will be surprised that I find both the ethics and legality of Bill's suggestion to be exemplary. This is how to retain customers. /s/ Richard Barney.....You tell the client what happened and ask them if they want to buy the bad one from you at a reduced price. When they say no, ask them if you can keep it. If they say yes, you're good to go. If they say no, you now own a lovely wall decoration for your warehouse. Zat help? Maybe a little? Bill S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:12:30 -0400 Subject: Re: intellectual property / ethics From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 9/14/05 5:11 PM, "Kevin Lee Allen" wrote: > wow, an all but Solomonic answer. > > I try to do the best I can with each of these moral/ethical dilemmas. > This was worthy of George Carlson. Good answer. Doesn't exactly > address the issue of where did the artwork originate, but certainly > put the onus on the client to address the issue, if required. The way I look at it, the image belongs to his client. Doesn't matter where the client got it. The client may have some issues with it's originality or not, but Barney is simply a vendor doing the job asked of him with the materials supplied. Have I mentioned today how wonderful "Billy Elliott" is? I say we rent out the theatre, charter a few planes and take the whole list membership over to see it. Whatcha think? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:04:43 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: intellectual property / ethics In-reply-to: Message-id: <4328BA9B.9000604 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Bill Sapsis wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > Have I mentioned today how wonderful "Billy Elliott" is? I say we rent out > the theatre, charter a few planes and take the whole list membership over to > see it. When you say "we," you're talking about a charitable action by Sapsis Rigging, right? Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001901c5b98e$8050f110$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: intellectual property / ethics Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:43:33 -0700 > Have I mentioned today how wonderful "Billy Elliott" is? I say we rent > out > the theatre, charter a few planes and take the whole list membership over > to > see it. I'm all for it! You think Delta or Northwest would cut us a deal? :) When an airline is in Bankruptcy, is it a good time to start international flights? - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:45:14 -0400 Subject: Re: intellectual property / ethics From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: On 9/14/05 8:04 PM, "Stephen Litterst" wrote: > When you say "we," you're talking about a charitable action by Sapsis > Rigging, right? In your dreams. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:01:49 EDT Subject: Re: intellectual property / ethics In a message dated 9/14/2005 6:14:16 PM Central Daylight Time, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: <> WOW that's high praise! Can't wait to see it now. You offering to buy? Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: Re: intellectual property / ethics Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:24:44 -0400 >Have I mentioned today how wonderful "Billy Elliott" is? I say we rent out >the theatre, charter a few planes and take the whole list membership over >to >see it. *I* say we take the money from chartering jets and donate it to the Long Beach Long Riders. Or the Red Cross Katrina relief fund. Not that I'd turn you down if you were serious. :) And yes, my friends overseas say the same. A matter of time before its picked up by Clear Channel? -- Matt ========= _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #520 *****************************