Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24808354; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:02:31 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #529 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:01:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #529 1. Re: tour transportation by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 2. cheap seats by Judy 3. Re: cheap seats by Jeff Gardiner 4. Re: Welding onstage by "Robert Bruemmer" 5. Searching for ETCNet RVI by "Abby Downing" 6. Re: Welding onstage by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 7. Re: Welding onstage by Jerry Durand 8. Re: Welding onstage by Greg Bierly 9. Re: Welding onstage by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" 10. "Welding" on stage for Working by "David R. Krajec" 11. Re: "Welding" on stage for Working by "Jon Ares" 12. Re: Shanghai Voltage by "Michael Finney" 13. Water Pump for the Miracle Worker by "Jared Clarkin" 14. Re: Water Pump for the Miracle Worker by "Storms, Randy" 15. Re: Shanghai Voltage by "richard j. archer" 16. Re: Shanghai Voltage by Charlie Richmond 17. Re: Shanghai Voltage by "Randy B." 18. Re: Water Pump for the Miracle Worker by "Storms, Randy" 19. Re: Flame Retardant by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 20. Re: Shanghai Voltage by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 21. Re: "Welding" on stage for Working by Greg Bierly 22. Re: Water Pump for the Miracle Worker by Greg Bierly 23. Re: Archy the Cockroach by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com 24. used fall arrest gear by Ron Cargile 25. Re: Water Pump for the Miracle Worker by CAPTF53 [at] aol.com 26. Re: used fall arrest gear by Bill Sapsis 27. Re: used fall arrest gear by "Waxler, Steve $waxlers$" 28. Re: used fall arrest gear by Bill Sapsis 29. Re: Archy the Cockroach by "Waxler, Steve $waxlers$" 30. Re: used fall arrest gear by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 31. Re: "Welding" on stage for Working by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 32. Re: Welding onstage by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 33. Re: tour transportation by Dale Farmer 34. Re: Welding onstage by Stuart Wheaton 35. Re: tour transportation by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 36. Re: "Welding" on stage for Working by "RD" 37. Re: Flame Retardant by "RD" 38. Re: Archy the Cockroach by "RD" 39. Re: CD80 dimmer pack trouble by "Pamela Abra" 40. Re: "Welding" on stage for Working by Bruce Purdy 41. Re: "Welding" on stage for Working by Paul Schreiner 42. Re: Welding onstage by MissWisc [at] aol.com 43. Re: cheap seats by Nicholas Kuhl *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:05:35 GMT Subject: Re: tour transportation Message-Id: <20050923.040617.13003.551377 [at] webmail23.lax.untd.com> Dear Dale, For loading in fields and on other soft, very irregular surfaces, try the very maneuverable 'Bobcat' mini-tractor with forklift accessory. /s/ Richard ________________________ > We will be renting the trailers. Most likely 48' boxes with lift gates. If only fields came with loading docks... --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4333F973.2030000 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:47:47 +0200 From: Judy Subject: cheap seats > > >hen I design, I don't design for the "cheap seats". While I'm fairly sure >this will inspire flames, it is simply my way of facing the fact that almost >every theatre has "bad" seats somewhere. > Well, why don't you do what I did, and go to a terrific play with marvellous actors, and pay fifty bucks to sit somewhere bad which the designer has decided isn't important, and where you can't see the actors in the climactic scenes. Then see how you feel. I mean, hey, it's bad enough that the governments seem to be considering only the wealthy; do we in the theater have to do that as well? When I grew up in NY, we used to be able to go on the morning of a performance and pay a very low price for good seats that were still unsold. That is how as children my brother and I saw wonderful theater and dance, and as a result we kept going when we grew up. Do they still have that? Judy ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:57:24 -0400 From: Jeff Gardiner Subject: Re: cheap seats Hi Judy, In Leicester Square (pronounced "Lester"), just East of Picadilly Circle, is the Half Price Ticket Booth where you can get the deals you're looking for. Similar to TKTS in NYC. Next time you're in London go there first. Cheers, Jeff >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >> >> >>hen I design, I don't design for the "cheap seats". While I'm fairly sure >>this will inspire flames, it is simply my way of facing the fact that almost >>every theatre has "bad" seats somewhere. > >Well, why don't you do what I did, and go to a terrific play with >marvellous actors, and pay fifty bucks to sit somewhere bad which >the designer has decided isn't important, and where you can't see >the actors in the climactic scenes. Then see how you feel. > >I mean, hey, it's bad enough that the governments seem to be >considering only the wealthy; do we in the theater have to do that >as well? > >When I grew up in NY, we used to be able to go on the morning of a >performance and pay a very low price for good seats that were still >unsold. That is how as children my brother and I saw wonderful >theater and dance, and as a result we kept going when we grew up. Do >they still have that? > >Judy -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeff Gardiner Voice: 781-449-2778 Set & Lighting Designer Mobile: 617-416-2388 398 Central Ave. Email: jeffg [at] erols.com Needham, MA 02494 Web: http://www.erols.com/jeffg/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200509231240.j8NCeYIt069896 [at] oz.plymouth.edu> From: "Robert Bruemmer" Subject: RE: Welding onstage Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:40:35 -0400 Organization: Plymouth State University In-reply-to: Assuming that it's a safe for the other performers on stage could you consider using an angle grinder instead? It could make lovely sparks but there is the noise factor to consider.... Bob -----Original Message----- > > > >All, > > > >We are nearing tech for our production of "Working". The director has > >requested that the character Mike do some welding as part of his stage > >business. We will have a cable with an electrode holder, a welding helmet , > >gloves, etc... as part of Mike's props. We do not own a stick welder so > >don't worry it won't be a "live" welder. He will be welding on the backside > >of an I-beam out of view of the audience. The students have been tinkering > >around with sparklers, dremel tools, a strobe light and some other ideas but > >so far nothing has been very convincing and or not terribly practical The > >question I pose to the group is this: Does anyone have a fantastic solution > >for the light and sparks that would be generated by a welder but would not > >actually be a dangerous, fiery electric arc? > > > >Any input is encouraged. > > > >Thank you in advance. ------------------------------ Subject: Searching for ETCNet RVI Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:06:43 -0400 Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA30DFA0 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local> From: "Abby Downing" I have a client who may be in the market for an ETCNet (Net1) RVI. =20 Anyone have one out there they may want to unload? Thank you in advance, Abby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:42:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Welding onstage From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: All, I have unsuccessfully tried my best to get them switched over to practically any operation I could think of other than the welder. We have several options for a light source and potentially an LCD projector. Still working on the smoke. The wonderful shower of sparks seems to be the most troublesome at this point. Thanks for the input so far! -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 765-285-8750 > From: "Robert Bruemmer" > Organization: Plymouth State University > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:40:35 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Welding onstage > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Assuming that it's a safe for the other performers on stage could you > consider using an angle grinder instead? > > It could make lovely sparks but there is the noise factor to consider.... > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > > >>> >>> All, >>> >>> We are nearing tech for our production of "Working". The director has >>> requested that the character Mike do some welding as part of his stage >>> business. We will have a cable with an electrode holder, a welding helmet > , >>> gloves, etc... as part of Mike's props. We do not own a stick welder so >>> don't worry it won't be a "live" welder. He will be welding on the > backside >>> of an I-beam out of view of the audience. The students have been > tinkering >>> around with sparklers, dremel tools, a strobe light and some other ideas > but >>> so far nothing has been very convincing and or not terribly practical The >>> question I pose to the group is this: Does anyone have a fantastic > solution >>> for the light and sparks that would be generated by a welder but would > not >>> actually be a dangerous, fiery electric arc? >>> >>> Any input is encouraged. >>> >>> Thank you in advance. > > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050923071650.020a1628 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:18:33 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Welding onstage In-Reply-To: References:

At 06:42 AM 9/23/2005, you wrote: >The wonderful shower of sparks seems to be the most >troublesome at this point. Tell them it's a MIG or TIG welder, no (not many) sparks there. :) I "love" the movies where someone's using a gas welding torch to do cutting and it's making the sounds and sparks of a stick welder. So much for reality. :) -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7f25433c82e1c07c9867c42af3ceb13f [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Welding onstage Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:06:56 -0400 > We have several > options for a light source and potentially an LCD projector. Still > working > on the smoke. The wonderful shower of sparks seems to be the most > troublesome at this point. Wow! LCD projector seems a little like overkill to me. I like the MR16 idea myself (12v) lamp hooked up through the beam. With the hood and gloves as safety gear the actor seems to be in pretty good shape. As you said the sparks are the rub. Grinder will get you good sparks but the noise will be troublesome. How bout beefing up the 12V supply and actually "welding" like the sparks you get from a car battery. I think experimenting with the metal of the electrodes to find a good spark would help. Let us know what you come up with. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:11:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Welding onstage From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: If is a "must have" perhaps the Director can explain it to the money folks that you need to buy a buzz box welder. ;-) for the show of course. -- Merel Ray-Pfeifer Technical Director Dept of Speech Comm. & Dramatic Arts Central Michigan University Mt Pleasant, MI 48858 989/774-6594 On 9/23/05 9:42 AM, "Curtis L. Mortimore" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > All, > > I have unsuccessfully tried my best to get them switched over to practically > any operation I could think of other than the welder. We have several > options for a light source and potentially an LCD projector. Still working > on the smoke. The wonderful shower of sparks seems to be the most > troublesome at this point. > > Thanks for the input so far! ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: "Welding" on stage for Working Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:38:47 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: As an industry that deals with illusion, rather than reality, we are being pushed more and more by our directors to provide more reality. In this instance, the safety risk of of welding on stage in front of an audience has been realized. However, anything that generates "sparks" is a potential source of ignition. Unless everything (costumes, scenery, curtains, etc.) are flame proofed, avoid sparks. What is a spark? Hot metal. It will cool relatively quickly, but the key word is relatively. Maybe not soon enough to prevent an actor from catching fire. Why not try it with light and no sparks?! The audience might not even notice that the sparks are missing if the lights, sound and props are real enough. My two cents David K. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c5c05e$3542db80$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Cc: drkrajec [at] stritch.edu References: Subject: Re: "Welding" on stage for Working Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:45:30 -0700 > avoid sparks. What is a spark? Hot metal. It will cool relatively > quickly, but the key word is relatively. Hasn't someone invented a device yet that spews LEDs to look like sparks?? ;) Imagine sweeping those up each night.... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Shanghai Voltage Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:09:57 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Michael Finney" Hey there, Bro. Herrick: =20 A number of people have already hit the "gee, you'll need to get the break the mains down to single phase" issue, so I won't go there.... Last time I was in China, all our power supplies handled the power (220VAC/50Hz) fine - including the varying voltage range (we were seeing some pretty spectacular 15-20 VAC "swings" in voltage). That included Apple and PC supplies (and the power supply for the consoles). Be aware that the power we were seeing in Taeshin and Bejing was pretty "dirty", so we were using regulated supplies of iso-transformers on any critical equipment. Personally, I dumped a small surge suppressor on my plug strip and got along fine. (did I send you this previously? I'm a charter member of the Department of Redundancy Department this week...) BTW: I also managed a fairly stupid trick....I had a little 220VAC alarm clock in my tool kit, so I took it back to the hotel. A nice little 220VAC/*60*Hz clock....guess how the clock works? It parses 60Hz to count seconds....guess how late I was getting up the next morning? (made the bus call, but just because somebody beat on my door!) Ben posted a couple of good sites for "power around the world". I also like this one for "consumer" stuff. You should be able to find the plug adapters with no problem in NYC - I picked up a nice little kit B&H last time I was in town. =20 http://kropla.com/electric.htm Michael Finney Thinkwell Design & Production mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com www.thinkwelldesign.com =20 =20 ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:12:48 -0400 From: "Jared Clarkin" Subject: Water Pump for the Miracle Worker Hello all, I am currently looking for a rental source for the water pump in The = Miracle Worker. Anyone close to NYC that might have one lying around? Thanks, Jared Jared Clarkin Production Manager The New School for Drama 212-229-5859 Ext. 2627 clarkinj [at] newschool.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Water Pump for the Miracle Worker Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:19:01 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C044 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" I built one a few years ago from plans provided by scenographics - = worked ok; in retrospect probably not worth the effort. I seem to = remember seeing hand pumps for sale at Harbor Freight Tools, or maybe it = was a fountain that incorporated a dummy hand pump... HTH Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Jared Clarkin Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:13 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Water Pump for the Miracle Worker For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hello all, I am currently looking for a rental source for the water pump in The = Miracle Worker. Anyone close to NYC that might have one lying around? Thanks, Jared Jared Clarkin Production Manager The New School for Drama 212-229-5859 Ext. 2627 clarkinj [at] newschool.edu ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:28:17 -0500 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Shanghai Voltage Michael Finney wrote > >.....I had a little 220VAC alarm clock in my tool kit, so I took it >back to the hotel. A nice little 220VAC/*60*Hz clock....guess how >the clock works? It parses 60Hz to count seconds....guess how late >I was getting up the next morning? Hey Michael, when I was in China (now almost 12 years ago---need an old TD Herrick?) I brought my Baby Ben classic clock. Didn't have any problem with the electricity. Dick A TD, Cornell U > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:32:12 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Shanghai Voltage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Michael Finney wrote: > little 220VAC/*60*Hz clock....guess how the clock works? It parses 60Hz Hmmm... now that's a pretty unusual item!! Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: <008101c5c065$0cd39570$83504898 [at] GLOBAL.SCJ.LOC> From: "Randy B." References: Subject: Re: Shanghai Voltage Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:34:28 -0500 Last time I was at our plant in Shanghai the power was 220VAC Single phase, but very dirty like I was finding 20Vac between neutral and ground. Most auto ranging power supplies will work OK, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herrick Goldman" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 3:09 PM Subject: Shanghai Voltage > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey folks. > > I'm taking a show to Shanghai and when we spec'd power from the vendor > 120/208v 200 amps 3 phase. He suggested we use 380V100A 3 phase. Now I'm > sure he's correct as he's worked this room before and it's his gear. > > My question is...do I need to worry about my personal electronics? My > Powerbook G4 is auto-ranging, but is it auto-ranging enough? My graphics > guys all bring their PC laptops and Mac Laptops as well. Should I be worried > about this? Is there a piece of gear I can spec (of reasonable size) that > will step down voltage for this gear? > > I'm not too worried about my loads, it's a small show and I'm using all > "local" gear so the lamps will obviously be appropriate. > > TIA, > > _herrick > > > -- > Herrick Goldman > Lighting Designer, NYC > www.HGLightingDesign.com > 917-797-3624 > "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in > light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS > > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Water Pump for the Miracle Worker Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:44:44 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C045 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" My bad - it wasn't Harbor Freight, it was Northern Tool & Equipment. = www.northerntool.com (search for "Hand Pump"). They have two models, = one for $60 and one for $25. HTH, Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Storms, Randy Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:19 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Water Pump for the Miracle Worker For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I built one a few years ago from plans provided by scenographics - = worked ok; in retrospect probably not worth the effort. I seem to = remember seeing hand pumps for sale at Harbor Freight Tools, or maybe it = was a fountain that incorporated a dummy hand pump... HTH Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Jared Clarkin Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:13 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Water Pump for the Miracle Worker For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hello all, I am currently looking for a rental source for the water pump in The = Miracle Worker. Anyone close to NYC that might have one lying around? Thanks, Jared Jared Clarkin Production Manager The New School for Drama 212-229-5859 Ext. 2627 clarkinj [at] newschool.edu ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Flame Retardant Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:55:21 -0400 Doom: Interesting, informative and very useful indeed. I have a lots of fights sorry - spirited discussions - with acts coming into my venue about some of the stuff they want to hang overhead. Local groups with vinyl banners are a disaster waiting to happen. If you don't mind you will be quoted in future. As Mehitabel the cat used to say: "Oh wotthehell, woththehell, there's a dance in the old dame yet." Cheers, Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Flame retardant Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:08:18 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah, so it arrived? And was it useful or just informative, or just interesting, or ..... whatever. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:24 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Flame retardant For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Dr. D. Sadly your server att.net hates City of Sarasota e-mails and bounced my reply. Thanks for sending your very interesting and informative report. Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <46.71d53bfa.30659bb0 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:56:00 EDT Subject: Re: Shanghai Voltage In a message dated 23/09/05 18:10:18 GMT Daylight Time, mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com writes: > Ben posted a couple of good sites for "power around the world". I also > like this one for "consumer" stuff. You should be able to find the plug > adapters with no problem in NYC - I picked up a nice little kit B&H last > time I was in town. He did indeed. I had intended to respont directly to his post, but something threw a wobbly as I was coming off the site, and I had to re-boot, losing the message. The tables are very interesting. They almost show who was the 'Colonial' power. Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <7bfd8e30e9c680cbf022e39049613d2e [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: "Welding" on stage for Working Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:03:09 -0400 On Sep 23, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Jon Ares wrote: >> avoid sparks. What is a spark? Hot metal. It will cool relatively >> quickly, but the key word is relatively. > > Hasn't someone invented a device yet that spews LEDs to look like > sparks?? ;) Imagine sweeping those up each night.... Come to think of it I saw "sparks" done once with fiber optics in some sort of museum display. This would depend on proximity of the audience of course. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Water Pump for the Miracle Worker Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:07:46 -0400 > My bad - it wasn't Harbor Freight They do have a decorative one listed online and last time I was in a store I am pretty sure they had a working one (RED) on display. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Archy the Cockroach Message-ID: From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:22:51 -0400 Doom - Googled our little pal, found a show called: 'SHINBONE ALLEY' based on the Don Marquis material. Starred Eartha Kitt and Tom Posten, Mel Brooks got a writing credit, Tharon Musser did the Lighting, Motley got a Tony Nomination for costumes. Tom Posten and Chita Rivera were understudies. With all that pedigree it only went 49 performances. Anybody out there know anything about this show? Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20050923111100.01d42df8 [at] pop.uci.edu> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:28:20 -0700 From: Ron Cargile Subject: used fall arrest gear Hello All, I have an odd question. I am changing the fall arrest system in one of our theatres and will have a 100 foot cable reel that I will no longer have a use for. My question is what on earth can I do with it? I know I certainly wouldn't buy used fall arrest gear off, say, eBay, if at all. There is even the possibility that the University wouldn't allow me to sell it. Anyone come across this problem? ....Ron ---- Ron Cargile ME, Univ of CA, Irvine ------------------------------ From: CAPTF53 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <214.9c76b93.3065a4a8 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:34:16 EDT Subject: Re: Water Pump for the Miracle Worker Jared, Do you need it to actually pump water? I have built one and had it actually work. The pump has been removed but can be replaced. I am in North East Pa. not too far from New York City. Bill Ulichney FMB Productions ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:37:38 -0400 Subject: Re: used fall arrest gear From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I would strongly recommend that you render it inoperable and dispose of it. The liability issues are huge and I suspect you're right about the position the University would take. I know we all hate to see potentially useable equipment being thrown out, but in this case I think it's justified. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile On 9/23/05 2:28 PM, "Ron Cargile" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello All, > > I have an odd question. > I am changing the fall arrest system in one of our theatres and will > have a 100 foot cable reel that I will no longer have a use for. > My question is what on earth can I do with it? I know I certainly > wouldn't buy used fall arrest gear off, say, eBay, if at all. > There is even the possibility that the University wouldn't allow me > to sell it. Anyone come across this problem? > > ....Ron > ---- > Ron Cargile > ME, Univ of CA, Irvine > ------------------------------ Subject: RE: used fall arrest gear Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:46:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Waxler, Steve $waxlers$" On the other hand, if you hold on to it you might find a use for it at a later date. Steve Waxler=20 Technical Director=20 College Conservatory of Music=20 University of Cincinnati=20 waxlers [at] uc.edu http://www.ccm.uc.edu/tdp/=20 513 556-3709 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sapsis Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 2:38 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: used fall arrest gear For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I would strongly recommend that you render it inoperable and dispose of it. The liability issues are huge and I suspect you're right about the position the University would take. I know we all hate to see potentially useable equipment being thrown out, but in this case I think it's justified. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile On 9/23/05 2:28 PM, "Ron Cargile" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- >=20 > Hello All, >=20 > I have an odd question. > I am changing the fall arrest system in one of our theatres and will > have a 100 foot cable reel that I will no longer have a use for. > My question is what on earth can I do with it? I know I certainly > wouldn't buy used fall arrest gear off, say, eBay, if at all. > There is even the possibility that the University wouldn't allow me > to sell it. Anyone come across this problem? >=20 > ....Ron > ---- > Ron Cargile > ME, Univ of CA, Irvine >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:55:02 -0400 Subject: Re: used fall arrest gear From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: True. But make sure you get it recertified before you use it. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile On 9/23/05 2:46 PM, "Waxler, Steve (waxlers)" wrote: > > On the other hand, if you hold on to it you might find a use for it at a > later date. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Archy the Cockroach Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:26:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Waxler, Steve $waxlers$" Yes, it's based on the Don Marquis stories about Archy the Cockroach and Mehitabel the Cat. It was also called archie and mehitabel (archie could not use the shift key when he typed) and had a respectable run Off-Broadway. There is a recording available with Carol Channing as Mehitabel.=20 This from my resident Musical Theater authority Aubrey Berg. Steve Waxler=20 Technical Director=20 College Conservatory of Music=20 University of Cincinnati=20 waxlers [at] uc.edu http://www.ccm.uc.edu/tdp/=20 513 556-3709 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 2:23 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Archy the Cockroach For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Doom - Googled our little pal, found a show called: 'SHINBONE ALLEY' based on the Don Marquis material. Starred Eartha Kitt and Tom Posten, Mel Brooks got a writing credit, Tharon Musser did the Lighting, Motley got a Tony Nomination for costumes. Tom Posten and Chita Rivera were understudies. With all that pedigree it only went 49 performances. Anybody out there know anything about this show? Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.4586fb2e.3065c187 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:37:27 EDT Subject: Re: used fall arrest gear In a message dated 23/09/05 19:29:34 GMT Daylight Time, rcargile [at] uci.edu writes: > I am changing the fall arrest system in one of our theatres and will > have a 100 foot cable reel that I will no longer have a use for. > My question is what on earth can I do with it? I know I certainly > wouldn't buy used fall arrest gear off, say, eBay, if at all. > There is even the possibility that the University wouldn't allow me > to sell it. Anyone come across this problem? Has it ever been used for real? That is the question. If not, it's probably as safe as the day when you bought it. You need to be absolutely certain of the use to which such gear has been put. When I was a rock climber, any rope which had sustained a serious fall was automatically junked. They turned into tow ropes, and so on. Myself, I should neither buy nor offer a guarantee on such gear, unless it had been under my direct supervision for its whole life. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:11:43 GMT Subject: Re: "Welding" on stage for Working Message-Id: <20050923.161214.14562.562884 [at] webmail24.lax.untd.com> There are kids' toys that emit 'sparks', using flint and steel, when a handle is turned, yet pass muster with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission. Just motorize one and install a dead-man momentary foot switch for the actor to step on at the appropriate time. /s/ Richard _________________________ Jon Ares wrote: >> avoid sparks. What is a spark? Hot metal. It will cool relatively quickly, but the key word is relatively. ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:29:42 GMT Subject: Re: Welding onstage Message-Id: <20050923.163026.14562.563083 [at] webmail24.lax.untd.com> During 'The Ring' that was produced in NYC and taped for broadcast by PBS, when Siegfried is forging his sword with a hammer and anvil, there were plenty of sparks that appeared real but were made safely. /s/ Richard ___________________________ > The wonderful shower of sparks seems to be the most troublesome at > this point. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43349FD6.DDB11CC6 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 20:37:42 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: tour transportation References: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Dear Dale, > For loading in fields and on other soft, very irregular surfaces, try the very maneuverable 'Bobcat' mini-tractor with forklift accessory. > /s/ Richard > ________________________ > > We will be renting the trailers. Most likely 48' boxes with lift gates. If only fields came with loading docks... > --Dale > > I didn't write that. I don't like the bobcats for two reasons. The controls are all foot pedals, so unless you drive one a lot, you have a hard time with fine control of your load. the other is that it is at best, a light duty forklift. Tippy, small max load, can't reach into a truck to get something deeper inside, etc. I was thinking of a shoot boom actually, although the US navy seabees have this truly awesome all terrain forklift. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4334ACD6.3080803 [at] fuse.net> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:33:10 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Welding onstage References: In-Reply-To: Curtis L. Mortimore wrote: > All, > > We are nearing tech for our production of "Working". The director has > requested that the character Mike do some welding as part of his stage > business. We will have a cable with an electrode holder, a welding helmet , > gloves, etc... as part of Mike's props. We do not own a stick welder so > don't worry it won't be a "live" welder. He will be welding on the backside > of an I-beam out of view of the audience. You can definitely get a decent arc out of a 12 volt car battery. but a cheap buzz box would do better. User the lowest amperage setting and it won't spatter much. If you run a small (1/16") 6013 or similar steel electrode against an Aluminum plate, it will spark like crazy, but it cannot stick. If the welder is in suitable garb, and he runs the electrode down the inside of a vertical aluminum channel, the sparks should be well contained and drop straight down the channel, into view of the audience and into a water pan at or below his feet. You could also do something similar where the whole effect was in a sealed box with an electrode, a plate and a funnel below to guide the sparks into a short pipe from which they briefly pass into audience view and then fall into a hog trough or washtub full of water. The odds of a spark getting loose would be pretty slim here. The box could even have your Mig gun stinger inside... Stuart ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 01:33:39 GMT Subject: Re: tour transportation Message-Id: <20050923.183427.14562.564432 [at] webmail24.lax.untd.com> The Navy mil-spec all-terrain forklifts are unavailable. I am old enough to remember early forklift failure during a short-lived attempt to use a supposedly all-terrain forklift to set up equipment in a now famous meadow outside a New York small town in 1969 before the arrival of at least 500,000 guests who couldn't see the forklift. /s/ Richard I don't like the bobcats I was thinking of a shoot boom actually, although the US navy seabees have this truly awesome all terrain forklift. --Dale ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: drkrajec [at] stritch.edu Subject: RE: "Welding" on stage for Working Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:55:24 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An incredible two cents .... for the people, buy the people. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of David R. Krajec Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:39 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: "Welding" on stage for Working For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- As an industry that deals with illusion, rather than reality, we are being pushed more and more by our directors to provide more reality. In this instance, the safety risk of of welding on stage in front of an audience has been realized. However, anything that generates "sparks" is a potential source of ignition. Unless everything (costumes, scenery, curtains, etc.) are flame proofed, avoid sparks. What is a spark? Hot metal. It will cool relatively quickly, but the key word is relatively. Maybe not soon enough to prevent an actor from catching fire. Why not try it with light and no sparks?! The audience might not even notice that the sparks are missing if the lights, sound and props are real enough. My two cents David K. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Flame Retardant Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:55:24 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: But she prefaced it by: Tosjour gai! Whatthehell .... I do recall it quite clearly. Doom Hope the flame retarding is useful ... I have so many iterations that I will be glad to share, even one from my new book. doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:55 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Flame Retardant For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Doom: Interesting, informative and very useful indeed. I have a lots of fights sorry - spirited discussions - with acts coming into my venue about some of the stuff they want to hang overhead. Local groups with vinyl banners are a disaster waiting to happen. If you don't mind you will be quoted in future. As Mehitabel the cat used to say: "Oh wotthehell, woththehell, there's a dance in the old dame yet." Cheers, Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Flame retardant Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:08:18 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah, so it arrived? And was it useful or just informative, or just interesting, or ..... whatever. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:24 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Flame retardant For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Dr. D. Sadly your server att.net hates City of Sarasota e-mails and bounced my reply. Thanks for sending your very interesting and informative report. Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Archy the Cockroach Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:55:24 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You bet, it was a great show, a really great show during my day. Wow. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 12:23 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Archy the Cockroach For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Doom - Googled our little pal, found a show called: 'SHINBONE ALLEY' based on the Don Marquis material. Starred Eartha Kitt and Tom Posten, Mel Brooks got a writing credit, Tharon Musser did the Lighting, Motley got a Tony Nomination for costumes. Tom Posten and Chita Rivera were understudies. With all that pedigree it only went 49 performances. Anybody out there know anything about this show? Marty Petlock Technical Facilities Manager Van Wezel P.A.H. Sarasota, FL. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000701c5c0ac$a2fd3be0$a6dab440 [at] pamscomputer> From: "Pamela Abra" References: Subject: Re: CD80 dimmer pack trouble Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:06:54 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron N O'Quinn" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:47 PM Subject: Re: CD80 dimmer pack trouble > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Don, > > I think we experience a similar problem from time to time, when you say > old CD 80s, how old are we talking about? We have a very old AMX > system that we convert using a Gray box...thankfully, it is being > replaced this summer! > > It has been a recurring problem in our theatre for a while and so there > is a protocol burned into the minds of the electricians to follow when > it happens. Now, I am not positive, but I think when the lights are > doing this we simply reseat whichever dimmer is causing the problem. > Flip the breakers, pull it out of the rack and shove it in as hard as > possible. This usually fixes the problem. Our city rarely gives us a > full 120 though it is usually in the 116 to 119 range, but this might be > a problem. Since I am generally not an electrician, I could be thinking > of the solution to an entirely different problem though. Regardless, > good luck. > > Aaron > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Don > Taco > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:58 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: CD80 dimmer pack trouble > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > If any of those of you who babysit old CD80 packs recognize these > symptoms, please help us shortcut our troubleshooting. > > About 30 minutes into a show, (assumedly, once things have warmed up), > odd > dimmer behavior appears. Lights dim up and down, not fast enough to > call it > a flicker, exactly. Many lights on many dimmers exhibit this, but not > all > the lights. (But that could be mis-leading. It could be different > filament > response times and dimmer loads affecting this.) (We haven't sorted > out > which dimmers/circuits/channels yet. working on that. the behavior > does > occur on circuits plugged into both of the dimmer packs, however. we > think.) > One of the first things we looked at was a loose ground on the control > > cable. We don't think that's it, but it's still not ruled out either. > We changed out the board, and the misbehavior continued, so we don't > think > it is the board or the DMX-AMX converter. > We installed a spare control circuit in one pack, the behavior > continued, > moved it to the other pack, the behavior continued, so we think it isn't > the > control card, though this is by no means proven. > We wondered if a bad dimmer was affecting just one phase of the power, > but > it turns out to not be three-phase. > > We can see that one of the dimmer packs has a steady 'power' light, > and > the other one flickers. (When the problem is manifest.) We then found > that > if you turn off the breaker to dimmer 3 on that pack, the 'power' light > goes > steady. We are now testing to determine if the problem only manifests > when > dimmer 3 is 'on.' > We're also trying to test whether the behavior continues when there is > no > control cable signal. > > That's as far as we've gotten. We surmise that a) we have a control > signal problem we just haven't identified, b) we have a failing dimmer > doing odd things to the power supply, or c) we don't have a proper clue > to > the real answer yet. > > Anyone been through this? > > Thanks!! > > > I try to never let on that I know anything about plumbing, but > there > are days when I'd rather be a plumber than chase an intermittent > electrical > problem. > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:27:02 -0400 Subject: Re: "Welding" on stage for Working From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I don't know whether this would work or not for your sparks, but as a "Brainstorming" entry how's this?: If you are using the bright light source as previously mentioned, how about a small spray of silver glitter that would catch and reflect said bright light and may look like sparks. As the pieces of glitter travel farther from the light, they would be less visible and appear to "Fade away" like real sparks. Certainly safer than actual sparks! Just a thought. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:41:21 -0400 From: Paul Schreiner Reply-To: Paul Schreiner Cc: doomster [at] worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: "Welding" on stage for Working In-Reply-To: References:

> An incredible two cents .... for the people, buy the people. Please...somebody tell me that's a typo and not the backroom slogan of the [insert your least favorite major political party here]. ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1c5.3110e00b.306619c4 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:53:56 EDT Subject: Re: Welding onstage Not knowing a whole lot about welding nor the play in question... may I suggest perhaps a simpler solution?? Your audience probably doesn't know a lot about welding either. Miller Electric has a "shield" thing which is a dark amber transparent curtain with blue edging (could be made from a big screen of Rosco gel since you're not really going to be welding and held up with blue gaff) that is designed to dull the light from a welding unit so that folks walking by don't need to put on eye protection. Not certain what the correct term is for it, but I saw one at one of the local Miller assembly plants this summer when I toured it (was in their robot welder lab). Also know my local motorcycle chopper mechanic has one in his shop to separate the welding area from the rest of the shop. When a weld is done behind that shield, you can't see if it's really a weld or just a very bright light. I'd think a sparkler (if you can get the firemarshal's approval) behind a sheet of gel would work fine. Were it my gig, I'd use a super strong flashlight with the lense covered to give say a 1/8" opening of light. Of couse, this is presuming your actors are good enough to make it convincable too. Dave's right... we've got a lot of directors wanting "real" on stage when we should be able to help the audience use their imagination. Real life is scary enough without having someone welding (we haven't talked about the fumes yet!) during a show. HTH Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:08:51 -0400 From: Nicholas Kuhl Subject: Re: cheap seats In-reply-to: Message-id: <4334C343.6060003 [at] bu.edu> References: > When I grew up in NY, we used to be able to go on the morning of a > performance and pay a very low price for good seats that were still > unsold. That is how as children my brother and I saw wonderful theater > and dance, and as a result we kept going when we grew up. Do they > still have that? > > Judy They do indeed, my friends and I (when we're all home on break from school) do our best to go see shows in the city, and that's the most affordable way to get in. Some shows do a lottery, some sell through the tkts booth, and some do rush at the box office, and some do standing room. You have to get there pretty early in the day though. Nick Kuhl Boston University ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #529 *****************************