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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #532

 1. Re: "Welding" on stage for Working
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
 2. Re: Strand Node Upgrades
    by "Paul Sanow" <psanow [at] vls.com>
 3. Wireless Designer station for ETC
    by Patrick Immel <salukitd [at] gmail.com>
 4. 10-pin Jones connector
    by Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
 5. Searching for ETCNet RVI 
    by Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
 6. Re: 10-pin Jones connector
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
 7. Re: Wireless Designer station for ETC
    by "Steve B." <sbmtbike [at] optonline.net>
 8. Re: designing for all seats
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
 9. Re: designing for all seats
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
10. Re: designing for all seats
    by CAPTF53 [at] aol.com
11. old lamps
    by Daniel Nazworth <dnaz [at] kwu.edu>
12. Re: old lamps
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
13. Re: old lamps
    by Mike Voytko <mv35 [at] nyu.edu>
14. Re: designing for all seats
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
15. Re: designing for all seats
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
16. Re: designing for all seats
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
17. Between the gel sheets
    by "Steve B." <sbmtbike [at] optonline.net>
18. Re: Between the gel sheets
    by "Steven Haworth" <sjh [at] idm.com>
19. Re: Between the gel sheets
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
20. Re: Between the gel sheets
    by "Jeffrey Kanyuck" <JKanyuck [at] Harford.edu>
21. Re: Between the gel sheets
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
22. Re: Between the gel sheets
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
23. Re: Between the gel sheets
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
24. Re: old lamps
    by Kevin Holly <kholly [at] mac.com>
25. Re: Between the gel sheets
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
26. Re: Between the gel sheets
    by Michael Drury <MSDRURY [at] peoplepc.com>
27. Re: old lamps
    by "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
28. Re: Between the gel sheets
    by "Maurice Moe Conn" <t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com>
29. Re: Between the gel sheets
    by "Michael S. Eddy" <mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com>
30. Re: designing for all seats
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
31. Re: Between the gel sheets
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
32. Selecon 90, anyone?
    by Paul Schreiner <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
33. character sets (was Re: writing q's on an expression 2x)
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
34. Gel sheets thanks to all
    by "Steve B." <sbmtbike [at] optonline.net>
35. Re: Between the gel sheets
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
36. Re: designing for all seats
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
37. Top Ten Stagecraft  Books
    by "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
38. loosey-goosey DC motor
    by "Fred Schoening" <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
39. Lighting Techs Needed ASAP
    by "Brandon Slokowski" <bslokowski [at] hotmail.com>
40. Re: Top Ten Stagecraft  Books
    by "Fred Schoening" <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
41. Re: loosey-goosey DC motor
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
42. Re: loosey-goosey DC motor
    by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
43. Re: Top Ten Stagecraft  Books
    by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
44. Re: Top Ten Stagecraft  Books
    by "Zirngibl, Ryan John" <ZIRNGIRJ [at] uwec.edu>

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Cc: joechamp [at] gmail.com ('Joseph Champelli')
Subject: RE: "Welding" on stage for Working
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 07:33:15 -0400
Message-ID: <000001c5c28e$195ac1d0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-24822555 [at] prxy.net>


> I agree, add the appropriate snap crackle and pop sound 
> effect and the audience is very likely to willingly suspend 
> their disbelief.

...And some will be willing to swear they saw sparks.



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Subject: RE: Strand Node Upgrades
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:34:25 -0400
Message-ID: <CB9851ABAB071C4F961D1C36F96439670F60A0 [at] mail.vls.com>
From: "Paul Sanow" <psanow [at] vls.com>

> Has anyone upgraded the software on a Strand Node? I'm trying to=20
> upgrade the software on the network and I'm not sure what is going on=20
> with the Node. I can't even get to any kind of command line. I don't=20
> know what I'm doing at this point.
>=20
snip
>
> Help! Anyone from Vincent Lighting on the list? Anyone in the=20
> Cincinnati area that can help?

Jay,

I'm sorry that you are having trouble getting help.  I can't imagine we =
couldn't get you help during business hours, and we have staff on our =
emergency line after hours.  I will look into it personally.  I will get =
you and a tech on the phone this morning first thing.  We will help you =
out.=09

Paul

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Paul Sanow 			psanow [at] vls.com
Technical Sales			www.vincentlighting.com
Vincent Lighting Systems


1420 Jamike Ln. #2
Erlanger, KY 41018

(859) 525-2000	x211		FAX (859) 525-2050
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Message-ID: <b3333cd605092606317bb310e2 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:31:23 -0500
From: Patrick Immel <salukitd [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: Patrick Immel <salukitd [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Wireless Designer station for ETC

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Message-ID: <20050926134315.62120.qmail [at] web52211.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:43:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: 10-pin Jones connector
In-Reply-To: <list-24827224 [at] prxy.net>

Hey Jason,

These Jones connectors used to be for 6 channel
analog; pins 1-6 for chan. 1-6 hot, pin 7 common (if
memory serves) 8,9,10 no connection.

Radio Shack sometimes had them, but the best bet is
the Mom and Pop electronics store.  I know that
Stageworks Lighting in Raleigh NC used a lot of them
and may have a mdae up bare-end pigtail sitting
around.  800-334-8353.  Ask for Jim.

Paul

> misplaced the cables to get from the translator to
> the packs.  I am in
> need to a connection that goes from the male analog
> plug (10 flat
> "pins", rectangle connector, looking at it with long
> side vertical
> having rows of 2 vert. pins, two vert. pins, 2
> horiz. pins, 2 vert, 2
> vert) to bare wire.
> 
> Would anyone (especially in the MD/DC/NOVA area)
> have a few of these
> cables sitting around, or even just the connectors
> and the knowledge
> of what raw cable i would need, that I could borrow
> or rent for really
> cheep?  I would be willing to pick up or pay
> shipping of course.
> 
> Please mail me off list if you are able to help.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jason Cowperthwaite
> 



	
		
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Message-ID: <20050926134849.44007.qmail [at] web52213.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:48:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: Searching for ETCNet RVI 
In-Reply-To: <list-24816468 [at] prxy.net>

I also work in a theatre where we use a non-powered
splitter, just a "Y" cord and a 50' VGA extension for
just this purpose.  ETC tech service told me that the
Express power supply should be just fine driving two
monitors.  And four years later, I would have to
agree.

Paul

> Subject: Re:  Searching for ETCNet RVI 
> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:34:11 -0400
> 
> If they just need it so that they can set up a
> remote monitor for 
> designer or stage manager use, you might suggest a
> powered video signal 
> splitter & a long video cable.  I've used this in a
> variety of theatres 
> up to 200' from the board without trouble.  Total
> cost should be around 
> $80-100.
> BA
> 
> Brian Aldous
> Lighting Design


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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:54:15 GMT
Subject: Re: 10-pin Jones connector
Message-Id: <20050926.065448.997.585005 [at] webmail18.lax.untd.com>

Century Edkotron 6-packs also used 10 pin Cinch-Jones connectors IIRC.
/s/ Richard 
___________________________
Hey Jason,
I know that Stageworks Lighting in Raleigh NC used a lot of them
and may have a mdae up bare-end pigtail sitting around.  
Paul



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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:02:07 -0400
From: "Steve B." <sbmtbike [at] optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Wireless Designer station for ETC
Cc: salukitd [at] gmail.com (Patrick Immel)
Message-id: <001501c5c2a2$e1c14f40$6401a8c0 [at] SBFF>
References: <list-24829846 [at] prxy.net>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Immel" <salukitd [at] gmail.com>

> Is there a product that would allow me (wirelessly would be best) to
> use my laptop to monitor and perhaps edit light cues from a remote
> location.  I would still be in the theatre, just not right next to the
> board.  We have a ETC Expression 2X.

I was once told by an ETC FPC that ETC's Emphasis system, in theory, allows 
a Virtual Console to be run under Windows XP, creating a console remote on a 
networked (wireless or hard wired) PC/Laptop.  Not sure ETC supports it 
though, as it's essentially a Microsoft program.  Not a cheap solution 
either, as bare bones Emphasis - 2D/500 channels will probably cost around 
$5,000.  Bottom line is that the Express/ion series consoles and the network 
systems they support (Net1) are fairly old and do not readily support all 
the recent bells and whistles such as WiFi, etc...

Probably cheaper to buy a Net1 Remote Video Interface and Remote Focus Unit 
and run a Cat5 cable.

Steve Bailey
Brooklyn College 



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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 04:11:32 -1000
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re: designing for all seats
Message-id: <00a401c5c2a4$32ee72c0$133d4104 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p>
References: <list-24827224 [at] prxy.net>

<<
> I do not design for the worst seat, I design for the
>best seat.  I think it is far too limiting to my design process.
>

I don't know if you can design for all the seats; you certainly can't
light for all of them.>>

<<I think it's just not acceptable to say ok, some people won't be able to
see. Then you should
change the design. I think the first obligation is to make the actors
visible. That is more important to me than putting together an artistic
design.>>

<<And designing sound for all seats is even more difficult!>>

So... let me see if I got this right. The lighting designer says he cannot
light for all the seats, and the sound designer says he certainly cannot
design for every seat, but both of them think nothing of insisting the
scenic designer can design for all of them.

What's up with that?

Why must I be limited to designing to that which "every" seat in the house
can see?  In some theaters, that leave nothing on stage as there would be no
room for actroids.

<<Herar, hear!. Visibility of the actors, and particularly of their faces,
is
the first priority, and from every seat in the house, as far as the
sightlines
allow. >>

I don't design actors, or their faces... I don't do their blocking either.
And even Frank has a disclaimer about sightlines. I am talking about what
scenery the audience can see.  I can't the pouint of dumbing down an elegant
design to make everything visible to seats with impossible viewpoints.

However, I often deisign for the viewers who close to the stage (often
considered bad or 'cheap' seats... the "nosehair seats") by adding minute
detail to the set which will not be seen from the seventh row back.

Don't forget to watch my show "Flight 29 Down" on NBC Saturday, October 1,
at 4:00 p.m.  If you are fast enough, you'll actually get to see my name in
the credit roll as Art Director.

Laters,

Paul

"There's the dog star," Tom said seriously.



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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:24:03 +0100 (BST)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: designing for all seats
In-Reply-To: <list-24830642 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0509261516400.18513 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-24827224 [at] prxy.net> <list-24830642 [at] prxy.net>

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005, Paul Guncheon wrote:

> Charlie wrote:

> <<And designing sound for all seats is even more difficult!>>
>
> So... let me see if I got this right. The lighting designer says he cannot
> light for all the seats, and the sound designer says he certainly cannot
> design for every seat, but both of them think nothing of insisting the
> scenic designer can design for all of them.

That's not what I said or implied.  My point is simply that sound cannot be 
designed to be optimum for all seats.  I did not insist that the scenic designer 
design for all seats, in fact I said nothing about it.

Sound is usually harder to design to be optimum for all seats than is scene, 
costume or lighting design, in my opinion, in most cases.  It is never 
impossible to try to design with all seats in mind, however, in all cases.

Charlie

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From: CAPTF53 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1c6.31cc636d.3069611c [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:35:08 EDT
Subject: Re: designing for all seats

Ok all, what I do is design for three seats, front row middle and  front row 
against each wall, keeping in mind that everyone has paid to sit in  all 
seats. If I have to eliminate a sightline I will request that the seats not  be 
sold, (which rarely happens), because I have noticed that even when told  about 
the sightline problem people still want their favorite seat. I also  will 
design for and around the choreographer if he/she needs room to move.  Informing 
him/her and keeping in mind that scenic elements are just as  an important 
factor. The LD and SD will then design around my designs. 
 
 
Bill  Ulichney
FMB Productions
 

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Message-ID: <43381851.2030805 [at] kwu.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:48:33 -0500
From: Daniel Nazworth <dnaz [at] kwu.edu>
Reply-To:  dnaz [at] kwu.edu
Organization: Kansas Wesleyan Theatre
Subject: old lamps
References: <list-24679062 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-24679062 [at] prxy.net>

To the collective wisdom of the list
Does anyone know of a company that buys old lamps?  The librarian on 
campus showed me her drawer of old projector lamps and wants to know 
which ones she can through away.  If memory serves there is at least one 
company that might buy them from her.
thanks in advance for your replies
Dan Nazworth
Director of Theatre
Kansas Wesleyan University


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Message-ID: <43381F51.793BFD5 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:18:25 -0400
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: The  fuzz in the back of the fridge. 
Subject: Re: old lamps
References: <list-24679062 [at] prxy.net> <list-24831633 [at] prxy.net>



Daniel Nazworth wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> To the collective wisdom of the list
> Does anyone know of a company that buys old lamps?  The librarian on
> campus showed me her drawer of old projector lamps and wants to know
> which ones she can through away.  If memory serves there is at least one
> company that might buy them from her.
> thanks in advance for your replies
> Dan Nazworth
> Director of Theatre
> Kansas Wesleyan University

    Generically, go through your campus AV support folks.  They may know
of another department that uses those bulbs for their old projector.   If
the
bulb is still being manufactured, resale isn't going to get you much cash,
if
any.  next step after that is local recycle/freecycle thing.  If you have a
local edition of craigslist, that's a good place to mention them also.

    --Dale



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References: <list-24679062 [at] prxy.net> <list-24831633 [at] prxy.net> <list-24831915 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <87cd2e314b351ee24b2347a2e5763840 [at] nyu.edu>
From: Mike Voytko <mv35 [at] nyu.edu>
Subject: Re: old lamps
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:57:36 -0400

Hi Dan,

A Google search on "hard to find lamps" lists a number of companies, 
such as replacementlightbulbs.com.
I don't know offhand if these companies buy old stock from end users, 
but depending on what you have, and what condition it's in, it's worth 
a try. If you find such a company, please share their contact info with 
us.

You can also post an inventory to the list, and see if anyone is 
willing to buy them, or trade for something you can use.
(As anyone here can tell you, I've been clearing out my old lamp 
storage in this manner for years! :-)

Good luck,
Mike V.

> Daniel Nazworth wrote:
>
>> To the collective wisdom of the list
>> Does anyone know of a company that buys old lamps?  The librarian on
>> campus showed me her drawer of old projector lamps and wants to know
>> which ones she can through away.  If memory serves there is at least 
>> one
>> company that might buy them from her.
>> thanks in advance for your replies
>> Dan Nazworth
>> Director of Theatre
>> Kansas Wesleyan University

--
Mike Voytko
Lighting & Sound Supervisor
TSOA Theatrical Production
New York University
<mike.voytko [at] nyu.edu>


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1c3.31df6938.30698986 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:27:34 EDT
Subject: Re: designing for all seats

In a message dated 26/09/05 15:12:45 GMT Daylight Time, 
paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net writes:

> I don't design actors, or their faces... I don't do their blocking either.
>  And even Frank has a disclaimer about sightlines. I am talking about what
>  scenery the audience can see.  I can't the pouint of dumbing down an 
elegant
>  design to make everything visible to seats with impossible viewpoints.

The real problem here is architects who design theatres with poor sightlines. 
Richard Wagner (yes, the composer and lyricist) got it right when he designed 
the Festspielhaus in Bayreuth. From every seat in the house, you can see the 
whole stage, and what is more, he got the acoustics right, too.

Basically, the auditorium is a Greek amphitheatre with a roof on, and a 
modern stage facing it. If he were to be re-incarnated, he would recognise the 
place. It is currently run by his grandson.


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <15d.59d965c2.30698df0 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:46:24 EDT
Subject: Re: designing for all seats

In a message dated 26/09/05 15:25:52 GMT Daylight Time, 
charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com writes:

> Sound is usually harder to design to be optimum for all seats than is 
scene, 
>  costume or lighting design, in my opinion, in most cases.  It is never 
>  impossible to try to design with all seats in mind, however, in all cases.

It is, and it has given me some headaches. So much depends on the system 
capabilities.

For a theatre such as ours, which prefers to work on a big thrust stage, with 
a 270 degree audience wrap, there are problems. Our last installation, before 
the one we have now, was designed using the principles of 45HJ quadraphonics. 
I think it worked as well as anything could, in such a space. It was really 
two mixers. one mono and one stereo. The mono mixer had joysticks, with which 
you could position effects, and the main output went to four speakers, two 
front and two rear.

It was designed and built in-house. But, it wasn't big enough for our PA 
enthusiast. When we refitted, we went straight back to a big standard stereo 
mixer. Not, in my view, what we need.


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <c.4e0fd14b.30698e45 [at] aol.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:47:49 EDT
Subject: Re: designing for all seats

In a message dated 26/09/05 15:36:59 GMT Daylight Time, CAPTF53 [at] aol.com 
writes:

> Informing 
>  him/her and keeping in mind that scenic elements are just as  an important 
>  factor. The LD and SD will then design around my designs. 

Informing the Box Office is also a good idea.

Frank Wood

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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:39:19 -0400
From: "Steve B." <sbmtbike [at] optonline.net>
Subject: Between the gel sheets
Message-id: <001101c5c2d1$fcd3cea0$6401a8c0 [at] SBFF>
References: <list-24829846 [at] prxy.net> <list-24830507 [at] prxy.net>

Subtitled: "Desparate Electricians"

Some wisdom/advice needed from the groups

I'm splitting up a gel room, re-locating to a room closer to the stage, new 
cutting board, filing cabinets for cut pieces, etc..

I have an existing sheet storage cabinet, 10 drawer unit, 24"x30", so I'm 
not going the route of the cardboard Rosco storage units (nor the very nice, 
but very expensive Lee and Apollo units)..

My assistant recommended that rather then using sheets of masonite between 
the different sheets in a drawer, that we use Styrofoam - 1/4" thick, as it 
makes it easier (lighter) to move a group of sheets on top layers.

So the question is, where's/who's a good source for sheets of 1/4" ridgid 
foam sheets ?.

Thanks on advance.

Steve Bailey
Brooklyn College



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Subject: RE: Between the gel sheets
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:44:16 -0500
Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB097B5C6B [at] danube.river.idm.com>
From: "Steven Haworth" <sjh [at] idm.com>

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Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: Between the gel sheets
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:46:42 -0400
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAAHzPBOoMS8UGARbVyEtOkPgEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-24834287 [at] prxy.net>

Steve Bailey wrote:

>My assistant recommended that rather then using sheets of 
>masonite between 
>the different sheets in a drawer, that we use Styrofoam - 1/4" 
>thick, as it 
>makes it easier (lighter) to move a group of sheets on top layers.
>
>So the question is, where's/who's a good source for sheets of 
>1/4" ridgid 
>foam sheets ?.

Try foam core boards. The laminated construction won't snap or break as
easily as pure Styrofoam. Usually available at any art supply store.

Peter Scheu
 
Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Syracuse, NY
www.scheuconsulting.com


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Message-Id: <s338192a.018 [at] ADM4.Harford.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:52:02 -0400
From: "Jeffrey Kanyuck" <JKanyuck [at] Harford.edu>
Subject: Re: Between the gel sheets

What about the plastic version of cardboard usually called corroplast.

Jeff Kanyuck


>>> sbmtbike [at] optonline.net 9/26/2005 3:39:19 PM >>>
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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Subtitled: "Desparate Electricians"

Some wisdom/advice needed from the groups

I'm splitting up a gel room, re-locating to a room closer to the stage,
new 
cutting board, filing cabinets for cut pieces, etc..

I have an existing sheet storage cabinet, 10 drawer unit, 24"x30", so
I'm 
not going the route of the cardboard Rosco storage units (nor the very
nice, 
but very expensive Lee and Apollo units)..

My assistant recommended that rather then using sheets of masonite
between 
the different sheets in a drawer, that we use Styrofoam - 1/4" thick,
as it 
makes it easier (lighter) to move a group of sheets on top layers.

So the question is, where's/who's a good source for sheets of 1/4"
ridgid 
foam sheets ?.

Thanks on advance.

Steve Bailey
Brooklyn College



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Message-ID: <433851D9.8030209 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:54:01 -0400
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Between the gel sheets
References: <list-24834357 [at] prxy.net>

Fanfold insulation might do the trick.  1/4 or 3/8" and folded in 16" 
widths.  Easily cut to size.  Pretty cheap too.  Probably less than 
foamcore.  check the lumberyard.
HTH.
Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia


Steven Haworth wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>  Isn't that basically sign material - foam core boards?  I think this is used for large posters as well... maybe an art supply store?
> 
> - Steven      (sjh [at] idm.com)
> ---------------------------
> http://www.stagelights.info
> 
> 
> 
>>So the question is, where's/who's a good source for sheets of 
>>1/4" rigid foam sheets ?.
> 



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Message-ID: <433853DC.99CAA51B [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:02:36 -0400
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: The  fuzz in the back of the fridge. 
Subject: Re: Between the gel sheets
References: <list-24834382 [at] prxy.net>



Peter Scheu wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Steve Bailey wrote:
>
> >My assistant recommended that rather then using sheets of
> >masonite between
> >the different sheets in a drawer, that we use Styrofoam - 1/4"
> >thick, as it
> >makes it easier (lighter) to move a group of sheets on top layers.
> >
> >So the question is, where's/who's a good source for sheets of
> >1/4" ridgid
> >foam sheets ?.
>
> Try foam core boards. The laminated construction won't snap or break as
> easily as pure Styrofoam. Usually available at any art supply store.
>
> Peter Scheu

    Foamcore is actually lighter and stronger than styrofoam, and you
can write on it too.   Probably a lot less expensive.  Sign shops us it
by the mile.  Strong for the weight too.  You can use it for scenery
too.


    --Dale



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Subject: RE: Between the gel sheets
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:06:58 -0400
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A9258 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>

I would go with Fomecor (tm) or a similar product.  These products have
a 1/8 or thicker (up to an inch or more) Styrofoam core with a white or
brown paper laminated front and back.  It is much more durable than the
foam by itself.  It is available up to 4x8 sheets through any display
product supplier, and many art supply stores carry it precut in a
variety of sizes.  Beware, however, that pricing varies widely, and it
can be worth your while to research pricing from several sources- larger
cities often have wholesalers if you are looking for case lots or a
large order of full sheets.  Here, as it turned out, the college
bookstore gave me a better price, when I bought a case, than my outside
suppliers.

Tom D.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Steve
B.
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 3:39 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Between the gel sheets

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Subtitled: "Desparate Electricians"

Some wisdom/advice needed from the groups

I'm splitting up a gel room, re-locating to a room closer to the stage,
new=20
cutting board, filing cabinets for cut pieces, etc..

I have an existing sheet storage cabinet, 10 drawer unit, 24"x30", so
I'm=20
not going the route of the cardboard Rosco storage units (nor the very
nice,=20
but very expensive Lee and Apollo units)..

My assistant recommended that rather then using sheets of masonite
between=20
the different sheets in a drawer, that we use Styrofoam - 1/4" thick, as
it=20
makes it easier (lighter) to move a group of sheets on top layers.

So the question is, where's/who's a good source for sheets of 1/4"
ridgid=20
foam sheets ?.

Thanks on advance.

Steve Bailey
Brooklyn College



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Message-Id: <a06200700bf5e0514813a [at] [10.5.10.8]>
In-Reply-To: <list-24832347 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24679062 [at] prxy.net> <list-24831633 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-24831915 [at] prxy.net> <list-24832347 [at] prxy.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:12:03 -0500
From: Kevin Holly <kholly [at] mac.com>
Subject: Re: old lamps

The lamp company we deal with (topbulb.com) for our regular light 
bulbs offers a Light Bulb Buy Back form in their catalog along with a 
fax number 877-FAX-BULB  877-329-2852. Send them a list of what you 
have and they'll let you know what the bulbs are worth in cash or 
credit. I've never used the service but I love the concept.


Kevin Holly
Technical Theatre Coordinator
Libertyville High School


>A Google search on "hard to find lamps" lists a number of companies, 
>such as replacementlightbulbs.com.
>I don't know offhand if these companies buy old stock from end 
>users, but depending on what you have, and what condition it's in, 
>it's worth a try. If you find such a company, please share their 
>contact info with us.
>
>
>Good luck,
>Mike V.
>
>>Daniel Nazworth wrote:
>>
>>>To the collective wisdom of the list
>>>Does anyone know of a company that buys old lamps?  The librarian on
>>>campus showed me her drawer of old projector lamps and wants to know
>>>which ones she can through away.  If memory serves there is at least one
>company that might buy them from her.



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In-Reply-To: <list-24834287 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24829846 [at] prxy.net> <list-24830507 [at] prxy.net> <list-24834287 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <525bdce50c7e18c1e5c2345d63133ee8 [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re: Between the gel sheets
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:30:54 -0400

> So the question is, where's/who's a good source for sheets of 1/4" 
> ridgid foam sheets ?.

I am not sure the size but I know Home Depot sold accordion fold 1/4" 
blue board.  pretty cost effective as I recall.


Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield HS


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Message-ID: <433866A2.9090503 [at] peoplepc.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:22:42 -0500
From: Michael Drury <MSDRURY [at] peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: Between the gel sheets
References: <list-24834357 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-24834357 [at] prxy.net>

I must have missed the original post but, if my often faulty memory 
serves, there is also a product called Gator-foam.  Basically the same 
as Foam-core but with a wood covering.  That may also be found at your 
local lumber yard. 

Michael S. Drury

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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:52:56 -0500
From: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Message-ID: <1109356864.20050926165256 [at] tcon.net>
Cc: dnaz [at] kwu.edu
Subject: Re: old lamps
In-Reply-To: <list-24831633 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24679062 [at] prxy.net> <list-24831633 [at] prxy.net>

Howdy !

Monday, September 26, 2005, yDan Nazworth wrote:

> Does anyone know of a company that buys old lamps?

Oh my goodness!  you mean I can have a 2100T24/8-60V on my shelf for
the NEXT thirty five years again?

Got any 500T12/9's?  Some 500T24/8's?  Shucks...I'll build some more
shelving!

Best regards,
  Frank E. Merrill
  MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
  Indianapolis
  Established 1946
  www.merrillstage.com 

  Running THE BAT!  Natural e-mail system v.3.60          mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net

   


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Message-ID: <BAY12-F19D41A4228F038FA8856E1E08B0 [at] phx.gbl>
In-Reply-To: <list-24834287 [at] prxy.net>
From: "Maurice Moe Conn" <t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com>
Cc: sbmtbike [at] optonline.net
Subject: RE: Between the gel sheets
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:56:56 +0000

As many have said 1/4" Foam Core.  You should be able to get it through your 
College Bookstore, particularly if there is an Art Major on Campus.

Moe

University of the Cumberlands



Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charlty Ride. Check out 
www.sapsis-rigging.com/LRLR.html for more information.



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Message-ID: <BAY104-DAV16C75A8AC7ACC58CD1C22BC68B0 [at] phx.gbl>
Reply-To: <mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com>
From: "Michael S. Eddy" <mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Between the gel sheets
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:57:09 -0400
In-Reply-To: <list-24834287 [at] prxy.net>

> My assistant recommended that rather then using sheets of masonite between
> the different sheets in a drawer, that we use Styrofoam - 1/4" thick, as
it
> makes it easier (lighter) to move a group of sheets on top layers.

Steve,

I agree with others about using foam core over raw Styrofoam, but I have a
different take on the issue. Won't the 1/4" sheets of foam core or whatever
take up too much room in the drawer? Also, the cost may really add up if you
have a lot of different colors.

When I worked at Rosco and theatrical dealers, we used thin cardboard. You
can cut it larger on one or two sides that can act much like tabs on file
folders. I have also seen thin plastic/PVC style sheets as dividers.

HTH,

Michael S. Eddy
Eddy Marketing & Consulting
mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com 

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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:09:20 GMT
Subject: Re: designing for all seats
Message-Id: <20050926.151022.29056.597087 [at] webmail04.lax.untd.com>

'Got the acoustics right' is an understatement if there ever was one.
/s/ Richard
____________________________
Richard Wagner got it right when he designed the Festspielhaus in Bayreuth. From every seat in the house, you can see the whole stage, and what is more, he got the acoustics right, too. Basically, the auditorium is a Greek amphitheatre with a roof on, and a modern stage facing it. If he were to be re-incarnated, he would recognise the place. 
Frank Wood
 
 


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Message-ID: <4338763C.8020108 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:29:16 -0400
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Between the gel sheets
References: <list-24836551 [at] prxy.net>

Well then,  how about something like 15 mil polystyrene sheet of the 
type used for vacuforming?  This is not foam. A local plastics operation 
may have trims as scrap that would serve the purpose.  You can write on 
it easily and it is obviously very light in weight and thin to boot.
Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia



Michael S. Eddy wrote:

> Steve,
  When I worked at Rosco and theatrical dealers, we used thin cardboard. You
> can cut it larger on one or two sides that can act much like tabs on file
> folders. I have also seen thin plastic/PVC style sheets as dividers.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Michael S. Eddy
> Eddy Marketing & Consulting
> mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com 



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Message-ID: <f23a0f840509261602674635ca [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:02:15 -0400
From: Paul Schreiner <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
Reply-To: Paul Schreiner <paulschreiner42 [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Selecon 90, anyone?

Okay, so I've rambled on at length here and there about how much I
love Selecons in my (all-too-) limited experience with them.

That being said, I've never had the opportunity to play with one of
the 90-deg ellipsoidals.  So, for any of you who may have had that
opportunity, here's our situation...

Our designer for Machinal wants some...eccentric shapes to appear on
the cyc we're hanging midstage.  Sharp angles and such, floor to trim
height.  He had hoped to use a number of the Source4 50-degree units
we have, but in testing that out today we discovered that the shutter
cuts at the short (12' at best) throw distance result in some very
readily apparent "bowing" of the edges.  Basically, we're seeing
hypercycloids at that distance with that unit.

I thought maybe trying a 90-degree unit would work better at that
distance, since it's designed more for a super-short throw distance.

If I want to shine a 9'x9' square on the back of a cyc with a Selecon
90, will the edges be flared or straight?

And, if it's straight, anyone near Virginia got some of these you'd be
willing to part with for a month? :)

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Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050926091937.021a5f48 [at] smtp.interstellar.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:26:16 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: character sets (was Re: writing q's on an expression 2x)
In-Reply-To: <list-24821593 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-24821593 [at] prxy.net>

At 03:58 PM 9/25/2005, you wrote:
>The trouble, I think, is that 'carriage return' is actually two characters.
>One for a line feed, and one for 'go to the start of the line', in ASCII.
>
>
>Frank Wood

Actually, it used to be even more, and the order mattered.  You sent 
"Carriage_return", "line feed", "null", "null", "null" and then 
started printing.  The reason was the return took longer than the 
line feed on a Teletype and the nulls were so it wouldn't start 
printing the next line WHILE the carriage was still moving to the 
left.  Now we have to worry about everyone formatting messages with 
"cute" fonts that not everyone has.

I'm on vacation and running delayed on e-mail, no broadband in town 
and the dial-up is long distance (but the line quality is great).  Of 
course our Mac server crashed yesterday, but a friend went over and 
power cycled it.  I wish it was as stable as my Windows machine, that 
goes for at least a week between crashes.


-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com


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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:51:38 -0400
From: "Steve B." <sbmtbike [at] optonline.net>
Subject: Gel sheets thanks to all
Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Message-id: <003901c5c2f5$3cd4c400$6401a8c0 [at] SBFF>
References: <list-24836551 [at] prxy.net> <list-24836922 [at] prxy.net>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
>> Steve,
>  When I worked at Rosco and theatrical dealers, we used thin cardboard. 
> You
>> can cut it larger on one or two sides that can act much like tabs on file
>> folders. I have also seen thin plastic/PVC style sheets as dividers.

Lots of great suggestions, and I agree that the Styrofoam route is probably 
too thick for the purpose.

What we have now is masonite dividers separating a couple of colors, each 
with a couple of sheets of the same type, thus 2-3 R02, then 2-3 R03, 4-5 
R05 (I like R05), then a sheet of masonite, etc... with the masonite simply 
to make it a bit more managable.

So I need Foamcore, etc... to simply make it lighter, while still giving 
some stiffness for when you pull out 3 dividers to get at the R20, as 
example.

First thing in the AM, I'll walk over to the bookstore on campus.

Thanks to all

Steve Bailey
Brooklyn College









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Message-ID: <000b01c5c2f6$6f83f730$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-24834357 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Between the gel sheets
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:00:13 -0700

> Isn't that basically sign material - foam core boards?  I think this is 
> used for large posters as well... maybe an art supply store?
>
>>So the question is, where's/who's a good source for sheets of
>>1/4" rigid foam sheets ?.
>


The message about sign-making material makes me suggest something perhaps 
longer-living than foam-core: use Cor-X (or other brand name) of the plastic 
sign-making materials.  Many colors, plus translucent.  (Light, and won't 
crunch up or get folded like foam-core by an over-zealous drawer-digger.)

    - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: designing for all seats
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:10:50 -0400
Message-ID: <000001c5c2f7$ee7801c0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-24830905 [at] prxy.net>

> The LD and SD will then design around my designs. 

Hopefully, in a collaborative art form, you will take into account whatever
concerns the LD and SD may voice during the process.



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From: "Jonathan S. Deull" <jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com>
Subject: Top Ten Stagecraft  Books
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:24:33 -0400
In-Reply-To: <list-24789202 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <E1EK658-0006XA-96 [at] smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

Since we like top ten lists...

What are your nominees for the ten most important books on Stagecraft,
broadly defined, that you would want to have as essential resources in your
library?

Jonathan S. Deull
jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com



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From: "Fred Schoening" <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
Subject: loosey-goosey DC motor
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:34:42 -0500
Message-ID: <000f01c5c31c$caa886f0$1f8afea9 [at] PRODIGALBRAIN>

Howdy, folks!

Does anybody know of a good device or trick to add a little friction to
a permanent-magnet DC motor? I've got a roll-drop that wants to drift in
more when it's completely unfurled. I can't switch to a higher-ratio
gearbox because, naturally, they want it to go out as fast as possible. 
Last time this happened I was able to use a go-kart brake with much
success (ran aircraft cable down to a lever where the operator was) but
that makes more noise than I want this time around.
It's a NEMA, uh, 56 C-face motor (brain fried right now,) if that makes
any difference. Electric brakes that I've seen in McMaster-Carr and the
like are full-on or -off and make a really loud "CLACK!" noise when they
engage/disengage. I just need a little more resistance, is all.

Thanks,
Fred

"Big Fred" Schoening
Technical Director
Dallas Theater Center
Dallas, Texas, USA
 
"...a root word of technology, techne, originally meant 'art.' The
ancient Greeks never separated art from manufacture in their minds, and
so never developed separate words for them."

- Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance



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Message-ID: <BAY107-F3569D7FBC7D472B6AAEC7FDF8A0 [at] phx.gbl>
From: "Brandon Slokowski" <bslokowski [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Lighting Techs Needed ASAP
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:38:37 -0400

To all interested,

I am looking for several lighting techs ASAP to work on a project for a 
large retail store.  The location is near Asheville, NC.  The pay is 
excellent!  Some meals and all lodging will be provided.  The job begins 
this Tuesday night, September 27 and will run through the end of the week.  
This opportunity is perfect for someone with a few nights off or for the 
student type looking for some extra income.  It may lead to additional work 
in the region.  Please email me off list if you are interested.  Please feel 
free to pass this on to anyone you may think is interested.

Thanks,

Brandon Slokowski
Image Lighting and Production Services



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From: "Fred Schoening" <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Top Ten Stagecraft  Books
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:40:14 -0500
Message-ID: <001101c5c31d$90946780$1f8afea9 [at] PRODIGALBRAIN>
In-Reply-To: <list-24840358 [at] prxy.net>

Well, naturally there's the Backstage Handbook - sure to top most of the
lists 'round here. I would absolutely love to see somebody take up the
reins and update it.
I also like the Stock Scenery Construction Handbook.

Of course, my list is a bit scenery-centric. ; )

Fred

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of
Jonathan S. Deull
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:25 PM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Top Ten Stagecraft Books


For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Since we like top ten lists...

What are your nominees for the ten most important books on Stagecraft,
broadly defined, that you would want to have as essential resources in
your library?

Jonathan S. Deull
jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com




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Message-ID: <20050926214604.88gwwcook4gswgwo [at] www.email.arizona.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:46:04 -0700
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: loosey-goosey DC motor
References: <list-24840918 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-24840918 [at] prxy.net>

Quoting Fred Schoening <bigfred [at] mindspring.com>:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Howdy, folks!
>
> Does anybody know of a good device or trick to add a little friction to
> a permanent-magnet DC motor? I've got a roll-drop that wants to drift in
> more when it's completely unfurled. I can't switch to a higher-ratio
> gearbox because, naturally, they want it to go out as fast as possible.
> Last time this happened I was able to use a go-kart brake with much
> success (ran aircraft cable down to a lever where the operator was) but
> that makes more noise than I want this time around.
> It's a NEMA, uh, 56 C-face motor (brain fried right now,) if that makes
> any difference. Electric brakes that I've seen in McMaster-Carr and the
> like are full-on or -off and make a really loud "CLACK!" noise when they
> engage/disengage. I just need a little more resistance, is all.
>
>

What kind of drive are you using?  A typical SCR drive will freewheel rather
easily when at rest, even if it has a braking resister.  A regenerative drive,
or 4 quadrant drive, will counter stopped loads to a point. They cost a bit
more, but make a big difference.



Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
520-621-7025
520-591-1803 Mobile


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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:58:01 -0700
From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
Subject: Re: loosey-goosey DC motor
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Fred Schoening wrote:

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>
>Howdy, folks!
>
>Does anybody know of a good device or trick to add a little friction to
>a permanent-magnet DC motor? I've got a roll-drop that wants to drift in
>more when it's completely unfurled. I can't switch to a higher-ratio
>gearbox because, naturally, they want it to go out as fast as possible. 
>Last time this happened I was able to use a go-kart brake with much
>success (ran aircraft cable down to a lever where the operator was) but
>that makes more noise than I want this time around.
>It's a NEMA, uh, 56 C-face motor (brain fried right now,) if that makes
>any difference. Electric brakes that I've seen in McMaster-Carr and the
>like are full-on or -off and make a really loud "CLACK!" noise when they
>engage/disengage. I just need a little more resistance, is all.
>
>Thanks,
>Fred
>
>"Big Fred" Schoening
>Technical Director
>Dallas Theater Center
>Dallas, Texas, USA
> 
>"...a root word of technology, techne, originally meant 'art.' The
>ancient Greeks never separated art from manufacture in their minds, and
>so never developed separate words for them."
>
>- Robert M. Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
>
>
>
>  
>
Give it a small taste of 60 Hz AC from a filament (or similar) 
transformer..  Say 6 volts or so will usually hold a small motor pretty 
well. Too much voltage and you tend to degauss the field magnets - 
that's a Bad Thing (tm)

Carla


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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:59:27 -0700
From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
Subject: Re: Top Ten Stagecraft  Books
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Jonathan S. Deull wrote:

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>
>Since we like top ten lists...
>
>What are your nominees for the ten most important books on Stagecraft,
>broadly defined, that you would want to have as essential resources in your
>library?
>
>Jonathan S. Deull
>jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com
>
>
>
>  
>
How about "A Method of Lighting the Stage" by Stanley McCandless
(always though that name was particularly appropriate for the book's author)

Carla

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Subject: RE: Top Ten Stagecraft  Books
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:07:31 -0500
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From: "Zirngibl, Ryan John" <ZIRNGIRJ [at] uwec.edu>

You can't forget Surfaces (all of them) and the Thurston James
collection, Gillette's Theatrical Design and Production: An Introduction
to Scene Design and Construction, Lighting, Sound, and Makeup novels
were also very good.  The Stagecraft Hand Book by Ionazzi is also a good
start in the field it seems.  Sorry if this is too scholastic of a list,
I am still in school but I know these are the ones that the bindings are
breaking on of my collection from their frequent use(those and the
obvious backstage handbook and stock scenery construction handbook, of
course).

Ryan J. Zirngibl
University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire=09
Student-Theatre Arts
Scenic Designer=20




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