Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24872304; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:01:26 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #534 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:00:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #534 1. Lighting Control Processors by Paul Marsland 2. Job Posting-Master Carpenter by "Kacey Fisher" 3. Re: Top Ten Stagecraft Books by "Paul Guncheon" 4. rainbow by "RODOK!!!" 5. Re: rainbow by Andrew Vance 6. Re: Top Ten Stagecraft Books by "Secore, Scott" 7. Re: Tempered Hardboard by "richard j. archer" 8. Re: Tempered Hardboard by Stephen Litterst 9. 3 phase 4 wire system question by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 10. Re: rainbow by "Frank E. Merrill" 11. Re: Tempered Hardboard by doran [at] bard.edu 12. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by Phil Johnson 13. Re: rainbow by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net 14. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by Stephen Litterst 15. top ten stagecraft books by "David R. Krajec" 16. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by Mike Brubaker 17. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 18. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 19. USITT in the Pacific Northwest - October 8, 2005 by Jerry Dougherty 20. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by "Davis, Thomas J" 21. Re: Top Ten Stagecraft Books by "Jack Morones" 22. Re: USITT in the Pacific Northwest - October 8, 2005 by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" 23. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by "Chris Warner" 24. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by Ken Romaine 25. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by Richard Bakos 26. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 27. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 28. Re: Top Ten Stagecraft Books by Eric Rouse 29. Re: USITT in the Pacific Northwest - October 8, 2005 by "Jon Ares" 30. Re: USITT in the Pacific Northwest - October 8, 2005 by "Michael S. Eddy" 31. Re: Top Ten Stagecraft Books by "RD" 32. 10-pin thanks... by Jason Cowperthwaite 33. Photographing shows... by Jason Cowperthwaite 34. Re: Fresnel Shoot-out results by Dale Farmer 35. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by Dale Farmer 36. Re: Sweeney Todd chair somewhere near NYC by Stuart Wheaton 37. Re: Sweeney Todd chair somewhere near NYC by "Jon Ares" 38. Re: Top Ten Stagecraft Books by June Abernathy 39. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 40. Top Ten Stagecraft Books Survey Results by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 41. Re: Sweeney Todd chair somewhere near NYC by Scott Parker 42. Re: 10 pin Jones Connector by "RD" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20050928114953.13507.qmail [at] web52213.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 04:49:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Lighting Control Processors In-Reply-To: I remember the trade show joke from a few years back; The new Colortran "MegaBoard 2000" had DUAL 486 processors. (insert appropriate jaw-dropping noise here). One to process cues, and the other to call the factory when the board crashed! (yukka, yukka, yukka) Paul Stephen Litterst wrote: > > > It's been too long since I was up-to-speed on > the ETC hardware, > but I know that the Strand consoles run off a > Pentium at minimum (our > 300 is Pentium based, the 500s I think are a > slightly beefier Pentium), > > but I think the only ETC console to operate on > an x86 > architecture is the Obsession II, and that may only > be a 486. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Kacey Fisher" Subject: Job Posting-Master Carpenter Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:31:09 -0400 Message-ID: Master Carpenter Fisher Theatrical is seeking a Full-Time Master Carpenter / Shop Manager = for its new location in Hanover, MD. =20 Must posses moderate to advanced scenic carpentry skills and be able to = work at a fast pace. Painting and welding skills are a plus. Job will also include some shipping and receiving duties, some counter = and phone sales when other staff are unavailable, rental preparation and installation preparation. Evening hours production work is also = available for additional compensation. Pay range: high 20s-mid 30s depending on experience. Includes health benefits. Candidates should send a resume, including references to: 7476 New Ridge Road Suite C Hanover, MD 21076 Fax: 410-487-0090 Email: Jobs [at] FisherTheatrical.com Fisher Theatrical is an Equal Opportunity Employer Sincerely, Kacey Fisher=A0=20 President, Fisher Theatrical 410-487-0100 410-487-0090-Fax www.FisherTheatrical.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 03:19:31 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Top Ten Stagecraft Books Message-id: <012401c5c42f$43c1d290$133d4104 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: >I'd be tempted to add Shakespeare's complete works. OK, maybe a stretch >as a stagecraft book, but if you are in this profession, and only had 10 >books, wouldn't that be one of them? For me, not a chance... I sincerely do not like Shakespeare when performed and find his work usually incomprehensible. >What are your nominees for the ten most important books on Stagecraft, >broadly defined, that you would want to have as essential resources in >your library? If I were going to an unfamiliar locale to design a set: Backstage Handbook McMaster-Carr Catalog Grainger Catalog The Ref Book Architectural Graphic Standards Color Swatch Book / Painting for Stage Dictionary of Style The History of Art The Local Yellow Pages Tom Swift and His Megascope Space Prober Laters, Paul "The Nina, the Pinta, the Santa Maria, and the Titanic" Tom said forbodingly. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <433A9906.9050908 [at] telus.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 07:22:14 -0600 From: "RODOK!!!" Subject: rainbow Looking for suggestions that people have successfully used, other than color gobo, for the rainbow effect in Wizard of Oz. Often easiest is best, but we're always keen for something challenging and different... Thanks Rod Osiowy MBSS Wild Theatre ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: rainbow Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:27:01 -0500 On 28 Sep, 2005, at 08:22, RODOK!!! wrote: > Looking for suggestions that people have successfully used, other > than color gobo, for the rainbow effect in Wizard of Oz. Often > easiest is best, but we're always keen for something challenging > and different... When we did it a couple of years ago, we used steel templates [G283] and color. The backdrop they were projected onto had a convenient cloud for it to originate from and a convenient hill for it end at. We used only three colors [red, yellow, green], but overlapped the focus slightly to give the illusion of more color. Another option might be to use Rosco's Image Pro. True, its technically like a color gobo, but its much cheaper to produce and you can customize the image anytime. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Top Ten Stagecraft Books Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:44:54 -0400 Message-ID: <346414591B50EE4299DB6686321B8CC701D29339 [at] FACSTAFF.facultystaff.eku.edu> From: "Secore, Scott" >> Steve Rees wrote: I nominate (small snip) The Pocket Ref, Glover << That is a mighty amazing little book, The Pocket Ref. It may very well contain the most information I thought I could ever purchase for $8.95. Anyone carrying around a Backstage Handbook may think about keeping a copy of The Pocket Ref handy as well. -Scott TTS EKU ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:12:50 -0500 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Tempered Hardboard List members, My local supplier for 1/4" tempered hardboard says he can't get it anymore. I think he's nuts even here in centrally isolated Ithaca, NY. I know Masonite only makes doors now and no longer does hardboard (they called it pressed wood actually or the really hard stuff was Benelex "402" for those of you who remember) USG no longer makes "Duron", their S2S hardboard. But...GP still uses hardboard to mount all their tile boards on (Lionite). Somebody must be making it. South America? Any body else having this problem or is the local just using one supplier? Thanks. Dick A TD, Cornell U ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:22:54 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Tempered Hardboard In-reply-to: Message-id: <433AB54E.1060907 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

richard j. archer wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > My local supplier for 1/4" tempered hardboard says he can't get it > anymore. I think he's nuts even here in centrally isolated Ithaca, NY. > I know Masonite only makes doors now and no longer does hardboard (they > called it pressed wood actually or the really hard stuff was Benelex > "402" for those of you who remember) USG no longer makes "Duron", their > S2S hardboard. But...GP still uses hardboard to mount all their tile > boards on (Lionite). Somebody must be making it. South America? Any > body else having this problem or is the local just using one supplier? > Thanks. Who's your local supplier? We've been using Baker-Miller and haven't had any problems. Admittedly, we haven't bought any in the past two weeks. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <297C9E3B63B2D3119C8100508B5ED28F160201E7 [at] exchange2.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: 3 phase 4 wire system question Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:03:26 -0700 Hi all A new question: Our loading dock doesn't have enough power for the caterers (whose does?). We do have in each venue a 4 pin locking connector: 20 amp, 250v 3phase, which I looked up to find it's a L15 - 20 R for 3 hp. 4 pins, with 3 hots. The 4th pin has the lock, so I'm assuming it's the ground. To my mind I'm missing the neutral. The plug is obviously meant for motors (the 3 hp reference). My questions: How does a motor work with a combined ground/neutral (if that's what it is?) Can I do anything productive with this other than run motors (which never happen)? Can I build a break-out panel (or have built for me), with a sub-panel, 15 amp u-ground connectors, that I could use it here, or in the other rooms? My gut says no, since the neutral doesn't exist. Any thoughts? Clarification and knowledge greatly appreciated. Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:08:37 -0500 From: "Frank E. Merrill" Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" Message-ID: <1512104817.20050928110837 [at] tcon.net> Subject: Re: rainbow In-Reply-To: References: Howdy ! Wednesday, September 28, 2005, RODOK wrote: > Looking for suggestions that people have successfully used, other > than color gobo, for the rainbow effect in Wizard of Oz. Three ellipsoidals, each shuttered to a narrow slot, hung close to and aimed nearly parallel to the drop upon which the 'bow is to appear. Filter the top one with primary red, the middle with primary green, and the bottom with primary blue. Overlap the beams a little for the intermediate colors. Best regards, Frank E. Merrill MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT Indianapolis Established 1946 www.merrillstage.com Running THE BAT! Natural e-mail system v.3.60 mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1127924661.433ac3b5adefc [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:24:21 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Subject: Re: Tempered Hardboard References:

In-Reply-To: Dick, In favor of a better, more consistent Medium Density Fiberboard (MDF), we dropped Masonite years ago. For a while, we were using Medite, and then Rangerboard, and I'm not sure what the brand name is of the stuff we're using right now. Whatever it's called, we get it from Connecticut Plywood out of their Albany location. You might want to call them at (518) 489- 9144. They've always been real helpful to us, and their prices on engineered wood product has always beaten the locals and the big box home centers here. Good Luck, Andy Champ-Doran Technical Director Bard College Departments of Dance and Theater Annandale-on-Hudson, NY Quoting "richard j. archer" : > My local supplier for 1/4" tempered hardboard says he can't get it > anymore. I think he's nuts even here in centrally isolated Ithaca, > NY. I know Masonite only makes doors now and no longer does > hardboard (they called it pressed wood actually or the really hard > stuff was Benelex "402" for those of you who remember) > Dick A > TD, Cornell U ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <50d9af7ca4ffef87ce33e7e8041b286f [at] mail.tamucc.edu> From: Phil Johnson Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:41:20 -0500 Call a commercial electrician, Have them help you with the info you need and more importantly what codes apply when you make a break out. This will protect you in the case of voltage problems with the caterers ( read they blame you when their warmers fry) You can charge the cost of the adaptor to to event or to the facility. Make this a safety issue and have local (canadian) codes apply and you, your facility and peoples lives will be protected. Philip Johnson Designer/Technical Director Texas A & M -Corpus Christi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <32361735.1127926042439.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:47:22 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: Re: rainbow In a production of _Children of Eden_ I worked on about 7 years ago we used scrollers. In an arena space, with all the scrollers oriented the same way, and with a good amount of haze in the air, we did a slow live scroll through the colors of the rainbow. It looked great on the deck/actors' faces and on the haze in the air. After scrolling "through the rainbow" a couple times, it settled with a couple adjacent scrollers in each color so as to have the whole rainbow represented on the deck. Please feel free to email me if you'd like more info. Looked really good--YMMV --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: RODOK!!! Looking for suggestions that people have successfully used, other than color gobo, for the rainbow effect in Wizard of Oz. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:00:47 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question In-reply-to: Message-id: <433ACC3F.1070106 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > My questions: > How does a motor work with a combined ground/neutral (if that's what it is?) I just read about this earlier this week. Now I'm racking my brain to remember where. In a three phase motor the phases cancel each other out, resulting in zero current in the neutral. Consequently, it is possible to combine the neutral and ground, as they are not carrying any current. > Can I do anything productive with this other than run motors (which never happen)? Not without adding in a neutral. > Can I build a break-out panel (or have built for me), with a sub-panel, 15 amp u-ground connectors, that I could use it here, or in the other rooms? > My gut says no, since the neutral doesn't exist. The campus electricians should be able to provide a neutral to the sub panel. It never hurts to ask. Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "David R. Krajec" Subject: top ten stagecraft books Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:11:04 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: My vote goes to 1) "Scenery for the Theatre" by Burris-Meyer and Cole - it's the bible in my shop 2) Theatre Props books by Thurston James 3) "Scene Design and Stage Lighting" by Parker, Wolf and Block 4) "Designing and Drawing for the Theatre" by Pecktal 5) "Structural Design for the Stage" by Holden and Sammler 6) "Backstage Handbook" by Carter 7) "Lighting Design Handbook" by Watson 8) "Lighting the Stage" by Bellman 9) "Sound Design in the Theatre" by Bracewell 10) "Stage Fright" by Rossol David K. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050928120852.03af1c18 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:12:18 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question In-Reply-To: References:

This is probably 3 phase delta. The legs are referenced to each other rather than to ground. There was some discussion of this a few months ago. If you meter the legs, you should find one that is odd--the wild leg, presumably used to help start the motors. There is no neutral, I believe, at all with delta. Mike At 12:00 PM 9/28/2005, Stephen Litterst wrote: >Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) wrote: > >>--------------------------------------------------- > >>My questions: >>How does a motor work with a combined ground/neutral (if that's what it is?) > >I just read about this earlier this week. Now I'm racking my brain >to remember where. In a three phase motor the phases cancel each >other out, resulting in zero current in the neutral. Consequently, >it is possible to combine the neutral and ground, as they are not >carrying any current. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <54.4d8369b3.306c2f2a [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:38:50 EDT Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question In a message dated 28/09/05 17:05:25 GMT Daylight Time, chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca writes: > My questions: > How does a motor work with a combined ground/neutral (if that's what it is?) Many motors use three-phase delta supplies. This generates the rotating magnetic field. The rotor field is derived by transformer action. > Can I do anything productive with this other than run motors (which never > happen)? Not a lot, really. Three-phase delta is liable to bite you in unexpected ways. I believe that it lies behing all these tales of 'wild phases' we occasionally read about. > Can I build a break-out panel (or have built for me), with a sub-panel, 15 > amp u-ground connectors, that I could use it here, or in the other rooms? > My gut says no, since the neutral doesn't exist. My engineering knowledge says the same, unless you are prepared to treat neutral and earth as interchangeable. The supply is probably for refrigerated vans. > > Any thoughts? Clarification and knowledge greatly appreciated. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:50:39 EDT Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question In a message dated 28/09/05 18:19:33 GMT Daylight Time, mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com writes: > This is probably 3 phase delta. The legs are referenced to each > other rather than to ground. The legs are not referenced to ground. There was some discussion of this a few > months ago. If you meter the legs, you should find one that is > odd--the wild leg, presumably used to help start the motors. There > is no neutral, I believe, at all with delta. Meter the legs to where? Three-phase delta carries neither neutral nor ground reference, or at least should not. I believe that one leg is sometimes grounded., which accounts for the 'wild leg'. But the leg-to-leg voltage should always be the same. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <6032470.1127931364059.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:16:03 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Jerry Dougherty Reply-To: Jerry Dougherty Subject: USITT in the Pacific Northwest - October 8, 2005 The Inland Northwest Section of USITT is holding it's 2005 Fall Business meeting on Saturday, October 8th. The days events include a backstage tour of ACT's theatre followed by lunch at PNTA. There will be a short business meeting followed by a new product expo at the new PNTA facility. Here's the schedule for the day. 10:00 AM Tour of ACT 12:00 Noon Lunch at PNTA 1:30 PM Business Meeting 2:30 New Product Expo Cost are: $5.00 for student members $10.00 for individual section members $15.00 for non-member students (includes a one year section membership) $30.00 for non-members individuals (includes a one year section membership) If anyone has any questions, you can contact me off list or contact Ronn Campbell, the section chairman at rcampbell at columbiabasin.edu or (509)547-0511 (x-2344). For all the Texas Exes, we may bail on the lunch and join the other Exes in the Puget Sound for the Red River Shootout at either Jillians or Hooters. More details to follow, but kickoff is currently scheduled for 10:00 AM MDT. Jerry ------------------------------ Subject: RE: 3 phase 4 wire system question Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:36:54 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A9260 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" The best advice I've seen so far (and my own advice in this case) is to bring in a qualified commercial electrician and ask him or her to tell you what you can and cannot do within your jurisdiction. It may be possible to install transformers or phase converters to get what you want, but I wouldn't want to hazard a guess from behind my desk in Michigan. Is it even 220/240, and not 440/480 volts, for example. That said, the following is the best of my knowledge and belief:=20 If it is indeed a 240 volt delta 3-phase, 2 of the 3 hot legs will show 120 volts when metered to the ground wire. The third leg will show a higher voltage. The reason for this is that 2 of the legs are 180 degrees out of phase with each other- one peaks at +120 while the other is at -120, hence a 240 volt potential between them. The "delta" or "wild" leg is only 90degrees out of phase with the others, and to get 240 when used with one of the others, needs to be a higher voltage. Sorry, I can't figure out how to draw the sine waves here. At any rate, if you meter between any 2 hot legs, you get 240. If you see 208 volts between the hot legs, you have a "Y" 3-phase- the legs are each offset 120 degrees relative to the others (therefore, when one is at +120, the one it is paired with is at -88. The potential between them is 208). Assuming everything is to the same standard they use here. The important thing (assuming you have a delta) is that the ground is NOT a neutral. It does not go back to the transformer. Do not try to split off 120 volt circuits. Trying to use the ground as a neutral is dangerous and (I believe) an outright violation of code throughout North America. Tom D. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:51 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 28/09/05 18:19:33 GMT Daylight Time,=20 mdbrubaker [at] insightbb.com writes: > This is probably 3 phase delta. The legs are referenced to each=20 > other rather than to ground. The legs are not referenced to ground.=20 There was some discussion of this a few=20 > months ago. If you meter the legs, you should find one that is=20 > odd--the wild leg, presumably used to help start the motors. There=20 > is no neutral, I believe, at all with delta. Meter the legs to where? Three-phase delta carries neither neutral nor ground=20 reference, or at least should not. I believe that one leg is sometimes=20 grounded., which accounts for the 'wild leg'. But the leg-to-leg voltage should=20 always be the same. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Jack Morones" Subject: RE: Top Ten Stagecraft Books Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:38:29 -0700 Organization: Saddleback College Message-ID: <006701c5c45b$d25b8b50$6400a8c0 [at] SCJACKLT> In-Reply-To: - Stage Rigging Handbook by Jay Glerum Jack R. Morones Production Manager McKinney Theatre -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Davis, Thomas J Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 7:21 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Top Ten Stagecraft Books For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Maybe I missed it, but has anyone so far mentioned Jean Rosenthal's "Magic of Light"? (From which, many years ago, a certain teenager learned the difference between "lighting a show" and "designing lighting for a show.") And I haven't seen Burris-Meyer and Cole's "Scenery for the Theatre," either. I'll second Pillbrow, who has been mentioned. Other personal favorites include Appia's "Music and the Art of the Theatre" (you have to be old to have that on your shelf, I don't think it's been available since the 70s, but hopefully I'm wrong about that), Howard Bay's "Stage Design", and Lynn Pecktal on Scene Painting and Costume (any of several books). And let's not forget Robert Edmond Jones "Dramatic Imagination." That's the off the top of my head list of must reads or must haves- in addition to a couple generations of Gillette's, Parker with Smith and/or Wolff and/or Block, and the Backstage Handbook- which seems to be the book most likely to disappear from my office. By now, I think I'm past 10. I'd be tempted to add Shakespeare's complete works. OK, maybe a stretch as a stagecraft book, but if you are in this profession, and only had 10 books, wouldn't that be one of them? Tom Davis -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jonathan S. Deull Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:25 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Top Ten Stagecraft Books For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Since we like top ten lists... What are your nominees for the ten most important books on Stagecraft, broadly defined, that you would want to have as essential resources in your library? Jonathan S. Deull jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:27:58 -0700 From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" Subject: Re: USITT in the Pacific Northwest - October 8, 2005 In-reply-to: Message-id: <433AEEBE.3050901 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com> References: Ummm ... Where is this in the Pacific Northwest? City, State ? Carla Jerry Dougherty wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >The Inland Northwest Section of USITT is holding it's 2005 Fall Business meeting on Saturday, October 8th. The days events include a backstage tour of ACT's theatre followed by lunch at PNTA. There will be a short business meeting followed by a new product expo at the new PNTA facility. > >Here's the schedule for the day. > >10:00 AM Tour of ACT >12:00 Noon Lunch at PNTA >1:30 PM Business Meeting >2:30 New Product Expo > >Cost are: > >$5.00 for student members >$10.00 for individual section members >$15.00 for non-member students (includes a one year section membership) >$30.00 for non-members individuals (includes a one year section membership) > >If anyone has any questions, you can contact me off list or contact Ronn Campbell, the section chairman at rcampbell at columbiabasin.edu or (509)547-0511 (x-2344). > >For all the Texas Exes, we may bail on the lunch and join the other Exes in the Puget Sound for the Red River Shootout at either Jillians or Hooters. More details to follow, but kickoff is currently scheduled for 10:00 AM MDT. > >Jerry > > > ------------------------------ From: "Chris Warner" Subject: RE: 3 phase 4 wire system question Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:34:22 -0700 Message-ID: <002f01c5c46c$029728a0$6401a8c0 [at] chris> In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Davis, > Thomas J > Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:37 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > The best advice I've seen so far (and my own advice in this case) is to > bring in a qualified commercial electrician and ask him or her to tell > you what you can and cannot do within your jurisdiction. It may be > possible to install transformers or phase converters to get what you > want, but I wouldn't want to hazard a guess from behind my desk in > Michigan. Is it even 220/240, and not 440/480 volts, for example. > I would agree with this. > That said, the following is the best of my knowledge and belief: > > If it is indeed a 240 volt delta 3-phase, 2 of the 3 hot legs will show > 120 volts when metered to the ground wire. The third leg will show a > higher voltage. The reason for this is that 2 of the legs are 180 > degrees out of phase with each other- one peaks at +120 while the other > is at -120, hence a 240 volt potential between them. The "delta" or > "wild" leg is only 90degrees out of phase with the others, and to get > 240 when used with one of the others, needs to be a higher voltage. Actually, if it is wild leg delta, it is 3 240 Volt Hot wires, one leg is tapped in the center. That is how 120v is derived off of it, it's the same transformer design used to provide conventional AC to a majority of homes in the US. 208/120 is a Y configuration with a Neutral in the center; the hot wires connect to the opposite side of the transformer windings. In Delta consider the windings as a series circuit with each other, and the phases connected at the Junctions. 480/277 Y is the same instead of 3 legs at 120, it's 2 legs at 277. > The important thing (assuming you have a delta) is that the ground is > NOT a neutral. It does not go back to the transformer. Do not try to > split off 120 volt circuits. Trying to use the ground as a neutral is > dangerous and (I believe) an outright violation of code throughout North > America. > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.8/114 - Release Date: 9/28/2005 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:50:52 -0400 From: Ken Romaine Reply-To: Ken Romaine Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question In-Reply-To: References: Please excuse the interspersed reply, but it makes more sense to me this wa= y. On 9/28/05, Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) wrote: > Our loading dock doesn't have enough power for the caterers (whose does?)= . We do have in each venue a 4 pin locking connector: > > 20 amp, 250v 3phase, which I looked up to find it's a L15 - 20 R for 3 hp= . > > 4 pins, with 3 hots. The 4th pin has the lock, so I'm assuming it's the = ground. To my mind I'm missing the neutral. > > My questions: > How does a motor work with a combined ground/neutral (if that's what it i= s?) It's not combined - it's just a ground. The motor uses the 3 phases in a balanced circuit. I'm a bit sketchy on the details, but 3-phase motors don't use a neutral, the current returns via the other phases (like 208V circuits). > Can I do anything productive with this other than run motors (which never= happen)? Yep. But you may need some "professional help" here - see below. > Can I build a break-out panel (or have built for me), with a sub-panel, 1= 5 amp u-ground connectors, that I could use it here, or in the other rooms? > My gut says no, since the neutral doesn't exist. I would guess that you may not want to. As Phil Johnson said - "Call a commercial electrician". That said, CAN it be done - yes. Most probably. OK - now for the useful information that I can contribute to this discussion. In order for us (me) to give more specific assistance, we need a bit more information. How are these receptacles wired? The NEMA diagram for an L15-20R receptacle calls for 3 hots and a ground, but you need to check this out to be certain. What is the voltage between hot A and hot B? Hot B and hot C? Hot C and hot A? Any hot and ground (or neutral)? If we assume (there's that word again) that the receptacles in question are wired according to the NEMA diagram, and the hot-to-hot voltage is 208, and the hot-to-neutral (or ground) voltage is 120 (or 115, or 110), then you will probably need to pull an extra wire from the circuit breaker panel to the receptacle box for the neutral wire (the "grounded conductor" in code parlance). You need a neutral wire at the outlet if you want to break the circuit out into individual single phase 120V outlets. Then you can install a 4-pole 5-wire grounding receptacle (such as a NEMA L21-20) with a 3-pole 20A circuit breaker back at the panel and break this out into three 20A 120V outlets via a breakout box of some kind. The 4-pole receptacle counts the neutral as a pole, while the 3-pole circuit breaker only counts the 3 hots. Confusing, no? As a reminder, all of the preceding paragraph assumes that the voltage between hots is 208VAC, and between any hot and ground (or neutral) is 120VAC nominal. If this is not the case, then, in the words of Emily Latella, "never mind". There - another answer totally obfuscated, if not obliterated. Please feel free to ask questions - of me (ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com), the list, or your local liscensed electrician. Don't guess. The person that pays for your guess may be someone you care about. Hope this enlightens. -- Ken Romaine Northeast US Sales Manager - Barco Events The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <433B1820.1060208 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:24:32 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question References: In-Reply-To: Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) wrote: >20 amp, 250v 3phase, which I looked up to find it's a L15 - 20 R for 3 hp. > >4 pins, with 3 hots. The 4th pin has the lock, so I'm assuming it's the ground. To my mind I'm missing the neutral. > > Get a hold of your campus electrician and have them check it out. If you know where the breaker is for the outlet you can check to see what kind of panel it is, three phase y or delta. My guess as by your return address your are in a commercial structure with regular three phase power and all you are lacking to have the electrician changing out the 3 phase plug to three regular receptacles is a neutral wire. Depending how far it is to the panel this may or may not be a simple fix. It will be cheaper for them to put in three receptacles than for buy a new pair of L-21 (3-phase 5 wire) plugs. -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:30:42 EDT Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question In a message dated 28/09/05 19:37:54 GMT Daylight Time, TJDavis [at] westshore.edu writes: > If it is indeed a 240 volt delta 3-phase, 2 of the 3 hot legs will show > 120 volts when metered to the ground wire. The third leg will show a > higher voltage. The reason for this is that 2 of the legs are 180 > degrees out of phase with each other- one peaks at +120 while the other > is at -120, hence a 240 volt potential between them. Measuring the legs to ground will give you no meaningful answers. The "delta" or > "wild" leg is only 90degrees out of phase with the others, and to get > 240 when used with one of the others, needs to be a higher voltage. The phase relationships are mis-stated, too. It is the essence of all three-phase supplies that the three legs are 120 degrees apart. Always, with real three-phase. This is what makes it work. None of them should have a ground reference. It is the most economical way to distribute high-voltage power; three-phase detla. Count the wires on power pylons. Three, or maybe six. At the sub-station, there is a delta-to-star transformer, which brings it down to something manageable, and creates a neutral. From here on it's three phase star. Whatever your local line voltage to neutral is. The neutral is often grounded at the sub-station. > Sorry, I can't figure out how to draw the sine waves here. At any rate, > if you meter between any 2 hot legs, you get 240. If you see 208 volts > between the hot legs, you have a "Y" 3-phase- the legs are each offset > 120 degrees relative to the others (therefore, when one is at +120, the > one it is paired with is at -88. The potential between them is 208). > Assuming everything is to the same standard they use here. It isn't, but the numbers are proportionate. I can figure it out, but not at this time of night. > > The important thing (assuming you have a delta) is that the ground is > NOT a neutral. It does not go back to the transformer. Do not try to > split off 120 volt circuits. Trying to use the ground as a neutral is > dangerous and (I believe) an outright violation of code throughout North > America. I don't know your codes, but this makes very good sense to me. The trouble is that it's usually quite close to a ground, and US practice is a bit careless about this. Neutral is the star point of a delta-star transformer: This is usually grounded at the sub station. Ground may be many things, from a local earth spike to coming in on the outer of a SWA cable. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1a0.3d2dc5cc.306c7911 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:54:09 EDT Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question That said, CAN it be done - yes. Most > probably. No, nay, never. > > OK - now for the useful information that I can contribute to this > discussion. In order for us (me) to give more specific assistance, we > need a bit more information. > How are these receptacles wired? The NEMA diagram for an L15-20R > receptacle calls for 3 hots and a ground, but you need to check this > out to be certain. > > What is the voltage between hot A and hot B? Hot B and hot C? Hot C > and hot A? Any hot and ground (or neutral)? You just blew it. Three-phase delta has no neutral reference, other than capacitatively. Regarding ground and neutral as interchangeable is not sensible. > > If we assume (there's that word again) that the receptacles in > question are wired according to the NEMA diagram, and the hot-to-hot > voltage is 208, and the hot-to-neutral (or ground) voltage is 120 (or > 115, or 110), then you will probably need to pull an extra wire from > the circuit breaker panel to the receptacle box for the neutral wire > (the "grounded conductor" in code parlance). You need a neutral wire > at the outlet if you want to break the circuit out into individual > single phase 120V outlets. Then you can install a 4-pole 5-wire > grounding receptacle (such as a NEMA L21-20) with a 3-pole 20A circuit > breaker back at the panel and break this out into three 20A 120V > outlets via a breakout box of some kind. The 4-pole receptacle counts > the neutral as a pole, while the 3-pole circuit breaker only counts > the 3 hots. Confusing, no? How many times do I have to post that delta-connected supplies hav NO neutral, or ground reference. Hit thm with a delta-star transformer, and they will get a neutral > > As a reminder, all of the preceding paragraph assumes that the voltage > between hots is 208VAC, and between any hot and ground (or neutral) is > 120VAC nominal. If this is not the case, then, in the words of Emily > Latella, "never mind" I say again, with a delta connected supply, there is no neutral. Ground is no substitute. Neutral is the star point of a star-connected transformer..It may well be grounded, at the substation. That is no excuse for treating neutral and ground an interchangeable. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41f0806805092816375dac3f01 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:37:16 -0400 From: Eric Rouse Reply-To: Eric Rouse Subject: Re: Top Ten Stagecraft Books In-Reply-To: References:

Rm9yIHRlYWNoaW5nIGRyYWZ0aW5nLCBJIGxvdmUgUGF0cmljaWEgV29vZGJyaWRnZSdzIGJvb2ss IERlc2lnbmVyCkRyYWZ0aW5nIGZvciB0aGUgRW50ZXJ0YWlubWVudCBXb3JsZC4gIEdyZWF0IHJl ZmVyZW5jZSB0ZXh0IHdpdGggbG90cwpvZiBpbmZvIGZvciB0aGUgbm92aWNlIGFuZCBleHBlcmll bmNlZC4KCgotLQpFcmljIFJvdXNlClRELVBlbm4gU3RhdGUgVW5pdmVyc2l0eQpTdGF0ZSBDb2xs ZWdlLCBQQQo= ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000901c5c48a$b669b8c0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: USITT in the Pacific Northwest - October 8, 2005 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 17:14:09 -0700 > Ummm ... > > Where is this in the Pacific Northwest? > > City, State ? > > Carla > > Jerry Dougherty wrote: > >> >>10:00 AM Tour of ACT >>12:00 Noon Lunch at PNTA ACT (A Contemporary Theatre) and PNTA (Pacific Northwest Theatre Associates) are both in Seattle, WA, so that would put the fest is in The Emerald City. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: RE: USITT in the Pacific Northwest - October 8, 2005 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:29:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: > ACT (A Contemporary Theatre) and PNTA (Pacific Northwest Theatre Associates) > are both in Seattle, WA, so that would put the fest is in The Emerald City. > > - Jon Ares > www.hevanet.com/acreative I thought Cincinnati was the Emerald City? Or was that Oz? Michael S. Eddy Eddy Marketing & Consulting ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Top Ten Stagecraft Books Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 19:00:38 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The latest version, edition. Always great. I agree. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Secore, Scott Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:45 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Top Ten Stagecraft Books For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >> Steve Rees wrote: I nominate (small snip) The Pocket Ref, Glover << That is a mighty amazing little book, The Pocket Ref. It may very well contain the most information I thought I could ever purchase for $8.95. Anyone carrying around a Backstage Handbook may think about keeping a copy of The Pocket Ref handy as well. -Scott TTS EKU ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3eb8da9605092819222be76e43 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:22:06 -0400 From: Jason Cowperthwaite Reply-To: Jason Cowperthwaite Subject: 10-pin thanks... I would like to send a thank you to everyone who helped out with info on the cinch-jones 10 pin connectors. As it turned out though, after explaining *all* the issues that would have to be ironed out with the dimmers, the artistic Director suddenly got much looser with the funds and now we are renting more convenient packs. The man hours needed to get those things running in a useful way just wasnt worth it. Thanks again, Jason Cowperthwaite ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3eb8da96050928192676133a7e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:26:15 -0400 From: Jason Cowperthwaite Reply-To: Jason Cowperthwaite Subject: Photographing shows... Hey folks... a question for you photographers out there... I am about to go into tech for a show and would like to take my own production photographs. I know that photographing under stage light... especially dim stage light is rather different than regular photography, so I am looking for some tips and tricks to make sure these pictures turn out useable. Also, what film do you all reccomend... keep in mind that I am on a budget, so cant afford the super high end films. thanks in advance, Jason Cowperthwaite ------------------------------ Message-ID: <433B52E3.28F62385 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:35:15 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Fresnel Shoot-out results References: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi everyone > > I asked a while ago about fresnels and which ones were to be recommended, and which ones not. I then did a shoot-out of 7 fresnels (and a ParNel). > > The short version of the results: > > I liked the Selecon 7" 1000w unit the most. Very close to output of the 2kw 8" Strand and Colourtran units. They are definitely superior to the 6" Strand and Colourtran units, and the 6" Selecon as well. Considering the 6" Selecon and 7" selecon are > identical except for the lense, the difference is really amazing. > > Of the Strand, Colourtran, and Selecon 2 kw units, the Selecon had the worst field (uneven, splotchy). The Colourtran had the smallest field. The Strand and Colourtran are fairly identical beyond that. > > Of the 6"units, the Colourtran was brighter than the Strand, and better than the Selecon 6". > > The colourtran also has a good beefy gel clip. Strand has none. The Selecon has a metal tab that flexes over 1 corner of the gel. Not as good as the Colourtran. > > And what is with the barn doors not being 8-way for the Selecon? > > I'm not commenting on the ParNel. It was very un-impressive. > > If anyone wants the full write up, let me know and I'll send it off list. Send the full write up around to the magazines. May get a few bucks and a publishing credit if they run it. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <433B5899.D7B08752 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:59:37 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question References:

Ken Romaine wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Please excuse the interspersed reply, but it makes more sense to me this way. > > On 9/28/05, Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg) wrote: > > > Our loading dock doesn't have enough power for the caterers (whose does?). We do have in each venue a 4 pin locking connector: > > > > 20 amp, 250v 3phase, which I looked up to find it's a L15 - 20 R for 3 hp. > > > > 4 pins, with 3 hots. The 4th pin has the lock, so I'm assuming it's the ground. To my mind I'm missing the neutral. > > > > My questions: > > How does a motor work with a combined ground/neutral (if that's what it is?) > > It's not combined - it's just a ground. The motor uses the 3 phases > in a balanced circuit. I'm a bit sketchy on the details, but 3-phase > motors don't use a neutral, the current returns via the other phases > (like 208V circuits). > Very common in industrial plants. Three phase motor gets the three hots and a safety ground. No neutral needed or desired. Three phase motors are more efficient as well. My guess is that the outlet is there for a trash compactor hydraulic pump, or maybe a reefer truck. > > > Can I do anything productive with this other than run motors (which never happen)? > > Yep. But you may need some "professional help" here - see below. > > > Can I build a break-out panel (or have built for me), with a sub-panel, 15 amp u-ground connectors, that I could use it here, or in the other rooms? > > My gut says no, since the neutral doesn't exist. > > I would guess that you may not want to. As Phil Johnson said - "Call > a commercial electrician". That said, CAN it be done - yes. Most > probably. > There is basically nothing you ( as a not locally licensed electrician) can do with this. Contact your campus electrical department. They can pull in a neutral conductor ( assuming the conduit is large enough ) and then replace the outlet with an L21-20 plug. Then you can buy one of the fine strings of outlets from Lex Products that can use it. However, you mentioned caterers. The three 20 amp circuits that you end up with as described above are probably not enough. I'd suggest having the campus electricians put in an entire new run of conduit for power. Put in a 60 amp three phase outlet with a locking cover. Then build a power distro in cooperation with your favorite caterer to meet their needs. If your caterer does a lot of business at your venue, you could persuade them to cover some of the costs of doing this as well. Other users get charged a per-event fee for that power and power panel. The outlet also can be adapted to provide power outlets for a bus tour. If there is potable water and a sewerage hookup available, so much the better. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <433B5C58.9090300 [at] fuse.net> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:15:36 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Sweeney Todd chair somewhere near NYC References: In-Reply-To: Scott Parker wrote: > Greetings All, > I may have a need for a Sweeney Todd chair here in Brooklyn. Does > anyone within a day's drive have one to lend/rent? > Thanks, Scott Do you mean an 8 hour day or a 24 hour one? Do you slavishly adhere to speed limits? Choose wisely, every Chair between Hoboken and Chicago hangs in the balance! Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c5c4a4$b4060060$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Sweeney Todd chair somewhere near NYC Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:20:12 -0700 >> Greetings All, >> I may have a need for a Sweeney Todd chair here in Brooklyn. Does >> anyone within a day's drive have one to lend/rent? >> Thanks, Scott > > Do you mean an 8 hour day or a 24 hour one? Do you slavishly adhere to > speed limits? > > Choose wisely, every Chair between Hoboken and Chicago hangs in the > balance! That's funny, but I was thinking Scott had need to 'off' a few students very quickly!! - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20050929032922.91227.qmail [at] web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:29:22 -0700 (PDT) From: June Abernathy Subject: Re: Top Ten Stagecraft Books How about: The Backstage Guide to Stage Management by Tom Kelly The Theater Props Handbook by Thurston James June Abernathy IATSE #321 (Tampa, FL) FOH Electrician The Lion King National Tour (Gazelle) __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:39:50 GMT Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question Message-Id: <20050928.204020.13003.634854 [at] webmail23.lax.untd.com> Yes. You can place a 5-ton [60,000 BTU] air conditioning 'package unit' on your dock, run some hoses, and stay cool all summer long. /s/ Richard ______________________ > Can I do anything productive with this other than run motors (which never happen)? --Dale ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:02:15 GMT Subject: Top Ten Stagecraft Books Survey Results Message-Id: <20050928.210247.13003.635105 [at] webmail23.lax.untd.com> Dear Jonathan, Could you, or SOMEBODY publish a list of the most popular titles, as suggested by a consensus of the respondents on the Stagecraft List? /s/ Richard _______________________________ Since we like top ten lists... What are your nominees for the ten most important books on Stagecraft, broadly defined, that you would want to have as essential resources in your library? Jonathan S. Deull jdeull [at] clarktransfer.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c998050928210482f4ce4 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:04:40 -0400 From: Scott Parker Reply-To: Scott Parker Subject: Re: Sweeney Todd chair somewhere near NYC In-Reply-To: References:

> Do you slavishly adhere to speed limits? Only in Ohio and parts of the south;-) -- Take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: 10 pin Jones Connector Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:59:30 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: OLDER, I WAS THEE WITH KOOKIE. AND STEPHEN. EGADS. DOOM -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of ladesigners [at] juno.com Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:35 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: 10 pin Jones Connector For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- In their time, the products that Ed Kook put his name on [EDKOtrons, leKOs], while president of Century, were improvements over what was available. It is NOT true that "Those who remember the 60s weren't there". Nobody wanted to see saltwater dimmers again, but did not really appreciate the heat or imprecision of Piano Boards. Tharon Musser validated and speeded up an inevitable change, and Stephen Skirpan helped to bring the price down by competing with the Kleigl and Century in the school (ie: low priced) market with his 'Scrimmer'. Back then, I got the best pricing and service from Joe Privateer at his LA-based SCR Digitrol. Nowadays, Joe Tawill, as president of GAM appears to provide the best service of any LA-based manufacturer - far better than he was allowed to provide as president of Colortran. /s/ Richard Century Edkotrons!?!? wow Richard you must be almost as ancient as I am. Marty Petlock ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #534 *****************************