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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 24990945; Sat, 08 Oct 2005 03:02:33 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #543 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 03:01:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.5 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, BIZ_TLD autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #543 1. batteries by "Occy" 2. Re: Legality of money on stage? by Pat Kight 3. Re: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? by "Tony Deeming" 4. Re: batteries by "Michael S. Eddy" 5. Re: batteries by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 6. Re: batteries by Charlie Richmond 7. Traveling to......(beer anyone) by Herrick Goldman 8. Re: Legality of money on stage? by Steve Larson 9. Re: Legality of money on stage? by "Paul Schreiner" 10. Re: good students... by BKHAIN [at] aol.com 11. Re: Legality of money on stage? by "Jon Ares" 12. Re: Legality of money on stage? by Jeff Holt 13. Re: Legality of money on stage? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 14. Re: Room scheduling software by "Storms, Randy" 15. Re: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 16. Re: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? by John McKernon 17. Re: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? by John McKernon 18. rainbow by Judy 19. Re: Scroller Advide by "Ken" 20. Re: good students... by IAEG [at] aol.com 21. Re: Scroller Advide by Charlie Richmond 22. Re: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 23. Re: Scroller Advide by "Michael S. Eddy" 24. Re: Scroller Advide by "Michael S. Eddy" 25. Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question by Mick Alderson 26. Re: Scroller Advide by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 27. Re: Scroller Advide by Charlie Richmond 28. Re: good students... by Delbert Hall 29. Re: Legality of money on stage? by Kurt Cypher 30. Re: ticket software (a bit off topic, but I need some help) by "Brian Busch" 31. Re: good students... by IAEG [at] aol.com 32. Re: Scroller Advide by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 33. Adhesives by Warren Stiles 34. Re: batteries by Wood Chip-P26398 35. Re: batteries by Charlie Richmond 36. Re: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? by "Paul Schreiner" 37. Re: Source 4 lens question by Ron Cargile 38. Re: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 39. Fire hydrant location by Jerry Durand 40. Re: Scroller Advice by "John D. Palmer" 41. Re: batteries by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 42. Re: good students... by MissWisc [at] aol.com 43. Re: batteries by Paul Puppo 44. Re: Adhesives by Erik Nelson 45. Re: good students... by Stephen Litterst 46. Re: good students... by IAEG [at] aol.com 47. Re: good students... by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 48. Re: good students... by MissWisc [at] aol.com 49. Re: batteries by Charlie Richmond 50. Re: good students... by MissWisc [at] aol.com 51. Re: good students... by MissWisc [at] aol.com 52. Re: good students... by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 53. Re: Adhesives by "RD" 54. Re: good students... by Stephen Litterst 55. Re: good students... by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 56. Re: good students... by "Davis, Thomas J" 57. Re: good students... by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 58. Re: good students... by "Davis, Thomas J" 59. Pocket hole report by "Paul Schreiner" 60. Re: good students... by "Paul Schreiner" 61. Re: good students... by "Paul Schreiner" 62. "Most likely to be good" by Paul Marsland 63. Re: Pocket hole report by "Douglas P. McCracken" 64. Re: Pocket hole report by David Carrico 65. Re: Pocket hole report by "Paul Schreiner" 66. Re: good students... by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 67. Re: Pocket hole report by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 68. Re: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? by Jerry Durand 69. Re: Pocket hole report by "Tony Deeming" 70. Re: Pocket hole report by Brian Munroe 71. Re: Pocket hole report by Paul Schreiner 72. Re: Mini-Strips by Laura Eckelman 73. Re: good students... by Bruce Purdy 74. Re: ticket software (a bit off topic, but I need some help) by Bruce Purdy 75. Re: fire curtain laws by "RD" 76. Hard edge on Legs by J Burch *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: From: "Occy" Subject: batteries Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:06:18 -0700 Ok here was question that was asked to me today: "We have D C AA AAA batteries, is there A and B batteries?" I said "that's a question I have always wonder myself and will ask the smart ones" ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43461751.1030504 [at] peak.org> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:36:01 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Legality of money on stage? References: In-Reply-To: Matthew Breton wrote: > Since using real money invites theft (not a good thing), the alternative > is to duplicate money. Or buy stage money: http://www.candydirect.com/toys_&_novelties/12-COUNT-MONEY.html among other sources ... No, it would never be mistaken for the real thing, but if you need a briefcase full and the audience isn't in the actors' laps, it'll do. Cheap, too. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:23:56 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of > FrankWood95 [at] aol.com > Sent: 06 October 2005 19:22 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 06/10/05 16:34:45 GMT Daylight Time, > deeming.tony [at] btinternet.com writes: > > > You know, someone once promised me a handful of fluoro dimmer > units........ > > > > I wonder if he ever found them???? > > It's not special dimmers you need, it's special units, with a > double supply. > You have to keep the filaments alight all the time, and establish the > ionisation path at the will of the dimmer. > > > Frank Wood > Erm, not so, Frank. Yes, using dimmable fluoro's is one way, but you can most certainly use fluoro compatible dimmers. Our ETC smart packs can be set as such. Exactly how they do it is out of my ken, to be honest, but they do. True, the lights do still flicker a tad at the lower end of the curve, but only maybe once or twice and after that you do get a fairly smooth fade up. I've used them on fluoro's and our UV strips with great effect. TD ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: RE: batteries Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:21:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: > Ok here was question that was asked to me today: "We have D C AA AAA > batteries, is there A and B batteries?" AFAIK there used to be "A" and "B" batteries, but they are no longer produced. They were used a lot in radios in combination. I have seen references to the "A" battery being 9V and the "B" battery being 90V. They also had ties to vacuum tubes. Here are a few items that I dug up that seem to support this information: From Duracell: "There were "A" and "B" batteries back in the 1940s. Those batteries were zinc and powered transistor radios. However in 1950 alkaline batteries were introduced. That's when the "A" and "B" designations were dropped to avoid confusion with the zinc batteries." From the tube radio world: "The original designations for batteries grew out of the vacuum tube industry. Vacuum tubes were used everywhere in the old days: radios, stereos, computers, TVs. Tubes had special batteries that supplied various features. These features were labeled "A", "B", "C", and so forth. It was natural to then label the batteries in the same fashion, so as to not get confused (since putting a battery in the wrong place could blow up the tube). Using batteries as part of electronics probably goes back to the telegraph system, where you needed to set up the system in an isolated area." "So the batteries were labeled "A", "B", "C", and so forth. The "B" connection in the old vacuum tubes was one of the few that was not carried forward into our modern world, and that is why we do not have a "B" battery." Michael S. Eddy Eddy Marketing & Consulting mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com Subject: RE: batteries Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:30:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c5cb21$ce53b9c0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > "There were "A" and "B" batteries back in the 1940s. Those > batteries were zinc and powered transistor radios. Portable radios, perhaps, but the transistor itself was not invented until December, 1947. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:45:15 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: batteries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Michael S. Eddy wrote: > references to the "A" battery being 9V and the "B" battery being 90V. They Yep. B batteries used to be made into the 70s and I used one to power a large neon lamp mounted on the top of my motorcycle helmet in 1970. These original designations referred to voltage and not the physical size but was still not definitive since many tube/valve radios had very specific requirements. When I repaired radios in the mid 60s, there were a large number of different size B batteries, though most of them were 90V. > Here are a few items that I dug up that seem to support this information: >> From Duracell: > "There were "A" and "B" batteries back in the 1940s. Those batteries were > zinc and powered transistor radios. However in 1950 alkaline batteries were Despite coming from a seemingly reliable source, I can definitely confirm that transistor radios did not appear until the mid 50s. > introduced. That's when the "A" and "B" designations were dropped to avoid > confusion with the zinc batteries." This is also somewhat suspect since I was able to source A and B batteries for older tube radios right through the 60s.... Also, though alkaline batteries may have been introduced in 1950 (as was I ;-) they were not commonly available until the 60s. >> From the tube radio world: > "The original designations for batteries grew out of the vacuum tube > industry. Vacuum tubes were used everywhere in the old days: radios, > stereos, computers, TVs. Tubes had special batteries that supplied various > features. These features were labeled "A", "B", "C", and so forth. It was > natural to then label the batteries in the same fashion, so as to not get > confused (since putting a battery in the wrong place could blow up the This was only an early concern since all batteries in the early days used brass screw terminals to which coloured wires were attached and incorrect connections could be made. Later, each type of battery adopted its own type of connector (with the B battery being similar to the current 9V style IIRC) and incorrect connection became much more difficult. > tube). Using batteries as part of electronics probably goes back to the > telegraph system, where you needed to set up the system in an isolated > area." > > "So the batteries were labeled "A", "B", "C", and so forth. The "B" > connection in the old vacuum tubes was one of the few that was not carried > forward into our modern world, and that is why we do not have a "B" > battery." It's pretty scarey when you get to an age where you can provide better information than the historicl stuff found on the internet... ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 07:31:22 -0400 Subject: Traveling to......(beer anyone) From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: So I'm about to Embark on this infamous little Chorus Line tour. Anyone in El Paso Next week? Honolulu after 10/21? or Maui after 10/24? Drop me a line I'll buy the first rounds! (I'll need 'em) Oh and if anyone happens to be in Shanghai from 10/15-10/21.......? Other than that is it too soon to try to wrangle a stagecraft gathering for LDI? It's generally easier in Orlando due to the lack of sprawl that is prevalent in Vegas. I'm generally at the Omni-Rosen sunken Brady Bunch Living Room Bar. -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 08:47:23 -0400 Subject: Re: Legality of money on stage? From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: This is a mis-print that was not caught by the proofreaders. It should have read copies of real money, which in 1969 would have required some real sophistication. Didn't have the fancy copy machines we have now. I was one of Dr. Bruder's students and I knew the proofreader. She was looking for misspelled words, not misinformation. Steve > From: "Zirngibl, Ryan John" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:08:57 -0500 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Legality of money on stage? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello once again fellow listers, > > Today I read something very interesting, according to Karl C. Bruder's > The Theatre Student: Properties and Dressing the Stage (copyright 1969) > "It is unlawful to use real money onstage."(p112) Is this still true? > If so does anyone have a reason why this would be, a number of people I > have posed this question to would be as interested as I am in finding > out more about this. Thanks! > > Ryan J. Zirngibl > University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire > Student-Theatre Arts > Scenic Designer ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Legality of money on stage? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:10:18 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C9C6 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > In that case, duplicating the money may=20 > constitute forgery,=20 > which is a capital crime (with really, really, really stiff=20 > penalties.) "Capital" crimes usually would carry a very stiff penalty...cuz that basically means a crime punishable by death! I think you were referring to "federal" crimes (at least in the US). ------------------------------ From: BKHAIN [at] aol.com Message-ID: <204.bb3f115.3077cde7 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:11:03 EDT Subject: Re: good students... >One student in particular started out always asking questions constantly. No exaggeration! >To the point of being a PIA. I wish some of them would ask more questions rather than *telling* me how good they are... At this school it is rare that a student chooses to spend time in the theater after they get their required hours of shop time in. And it is those kids we like. Ben Hain TD / LD Rochester Community and Technical College bkhain [at] aol.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001901c5cb41$8235e4d0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Legality of money on stage? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:17:46 -0700 >> Also some newer photocopies will recognize the money and not >> copy it and will call the police. > > I suspect this is a myth, for a number of reasons. The primary one is, how > can the police be called, when there is no phone line or net connection? My schools are filled with copiers that are both net-aware and connected to a phone line. They're supposed to call home when toner and such supplies are running low, so the annoying sales rep will show up on the doorstep, ready for a sale. I've not heard that copiers were 'smart' enough to recognize currency, but I do know that Adobe Photoshop (and others) had tweaked the code (at the behest of the FBI, or Treasury, or whoever) to recognize and prevent copying/scanning of currency. Much ire was raised by privacy groups regarding this undisclosed 'feature.' - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Legality of money on stage? Message-ID: From: Jeff Holt Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:30:40 -0400 Coming out of lurk... OR, if you need it to look pretty real (not sure of legality of this, but..), just tape a passport photo of your TD over the president, a little pic of your theatre over the back and cross-hatch over the serial #'s, then copy on a good color copier (not hooked up to the internet... just in case). It seems to me that if you change the money enough that it's easily recognizable on med-close inspection as completely-not-real and has no recognizable serial #, then official interests prob won't care. Though check with official interests first, of course. Also, w/new money, you'll get anti-counterfeit marks all over it when you copy anyway; but should still read OK, even relatively close. Don't forget to suspend your disbelief. Jeffrey D. Holt > > Since using real money invites theft (not a good thing), the alternative > > is to duplicate money. > > Or buy stage money: > > http://www.candydirect.com/toys_&_novelties/12-COUNT-MONEY.html > > among other sources ... No, it would never be mistaken for the real thing, > but if you need a briefcase full and the audience isn't in the actors' > laps, it'll do. > > Cheap, too. > > -- > Pat Kight > kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:30:13 GMT Subject: Re: Legality of money on stage? Message-Id: <20051007.063100.16039.46295 [at] webmail27.lax.untd.com> Correct. /s/ Richard "Capital" crimes usually would carry a very stiff penalty...cuz that basically means a crime punishable by death! I think you were referring to "federal" crimes (at least in the US). ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Room scheduling software Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:09:46 -0700 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C062 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Ah. It would seem you've not yet encountered "School Dude", the current = contender for worst P.O.S. ever shipped... Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu --------------------------------------------------- >But I found it to be one of the clunkiest, >bulkiest, least intuitive pieces of software I'd ever used. ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:19:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20051007141908.YOEW2981.tomts43-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> I have a lot of personal experience with dimming fluorescents. There is an element of truth to what both Frank and Tony have said... Yes -- you can dim many common fluorescents down to around 50% with visible success. Below this level, you have to keep the filaments warm or you can't keep the lamp lit. But even in this seemingly workable range, the bulbs are not being operated optimally, and their life expectancy is vastly reduced. The ends of the bulbs turn black very prematurely, and they are soon ruined. For short runs, this may not matter. But for lamps in an architectural, display, or signage situation, it is unacceptable. Good quality dimming ballasts balance several requirements for effective bulb operation. The most successful designs can achieve sustained operation down to 3% brightness (10% being more common) with minimal impact on bulb life. One trick (simplified for this description) is to apply current across each filament (the two pins at one end of a tubular lamp) to keep it warm. This current is applied (approximately) inversely to current applied between the ends of the bulb to make it light. Electronic ballasts also benefit from operating at much higher frequencies than the 50 or 60Hz of the power line. This might be what the ETC product does as well, but I don't know. In any case, the smoothest and widest range of dimming, with insignificant impact on lamp life, requires a sophisticated electronic dimming ballast. It usually connects to each bulb with 4 wires, 2 at each end. They generally will not support bulbs wired in series, as is often done with non-dimming ballasts. My personal favorite in dimming ballasts is made by Easylite (www.easylite.org). But it is not a DALI or DMX product, they use their own version of CV, that is inverse from 7V to 0.7V for a range from 5% - 120% (they go brighter than a regular ballast). I've done all the legwork to control them beautifully with DMX or RC4 Wireless if anyone is interested. Jim www.theatrewireless.com > > It's not special dimmers you need, it's special units, with > a double > > supply. > > You have to keep the filaments alight all the time, and > establish the > > ionisation path at the will of the dimmer. > > > > > > Frank Wood > > > Erm, not so, Frank. > Yes, using dimmable fluoro's is one way, but you can most > certainly use fluoro compatible dimmers. Our ETC smart packs > can be set as such. Exactly how they do it is out of my ken, > to be honest, but they do. True, the lights do still flicker > a tad at the lower end of the curve, but only maybe once or > twice and after that you do get a fairly smooth fade up. I've > used them on fluoro's and our UV strips with great effect. > > TD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:25:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Yes, using dimmable fluoro's is one way, but you can most certainly use > fluoro compatible dimmers. Our ETC smart packs can be set as such. You do need compatible fluorescent ballasts. I've done a fair number of architectural projects using dimming fluorescents, and while they're not pretty, they do work. However, each dimmer manufacturer will have very specific ballasts that their dimmers will work with. In many cases you are also limited to 4' tubes. - John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:28:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: One other note: Manufacturers usually recommend that fluorescent tubes be burned in (as I recall, about 100 hours) before they're dimmed. - John ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43469706.6080009 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:40:54 +0200 From: Judy Subject: rainbow > > >*"Camelont" is not a tyop. > Very cute! Camelont were one of the first European companies to make scrollers, I think in the 80's. They are Swedish. I even used some, but don't have a manual. I believe you could use 11 different colors, they worked like all the other scrollers I used at the time (which probably means 24 Volts but I wouldn't swear to it.) I have a faint memory that they were used in "Miss Saigon"? Sorry I can't be of more help. Judy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001701c5cb4d$effc8030$7b01a8c0 [at] MONORAIL> From: "Ken" References: Subject: Re: Scroller Advide Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:46:37 -0500 Mike said: "I would guess that the units were made in 1993, possible February 28th." Yea, but were they made before or after lunch? Ken ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <8d.31184d46.3077e4e1 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:49:05 EDT Subject: Re: good students... In a message dated 10/7/05 9:13:17 AM, BKHAIN [at] aol.com writes: << >One student in particular started out always asking questions constantly. No exaggeration! >> no such thing as a stupid question, , only stupid answers, , very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:57:22 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Scroller Advide In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

> Mike said: "I would > guess that the units were made in 1993, possible February 28th." Feb. 28 was a Sunday in 1993 ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:52:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20051007145208.PNQG1799.tomts40-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> > One other note: Manufacturers usually recommend that > fluorescent tubes be burned in (as I recall, about 100 hours) > before they're dimmed. > > - John Lutron recommends 100 hour burn-in at 100% brightness. Other manufacturers are more sketchy about this issue. Not all lamps perform well with dimming ballasts. I've had the best luck with Philips Alto, which have done well with or without a long burn-in. > You do need compatible fluorescent ballasts. I've done a fair > number of architectural projects using dimming fluorescents, > and while they're not pretty, they do work. However, each > dimmer manufacturer will have very specific ballasts that > their dimmers will work with. In many cases you are also > limited to 4' tubes. > > - John Standard Easylite ballasts are available for 2', 3' and 4' lamps, and I've custom ordered for 5' with reasonable pricing and delivery. Jim ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: RE: Scroller Advide Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:01:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: Ken said: > Mike said: "I would > guess that the units were made in 1993, possible February 28th." > > Yea, but were they made before or after lunch? > > Ken Or was it before or after tea break? Michael ------------------------------ Message-ID: Reply-To: From: "Michael S. Eddy" Subject: RE: Scroller Advide Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:07:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: Charlie Richmond > > Mike said: "I would > > guess that the units were made in 1993, possible February 28th." > > Feb. 28 was a Sunday in 1993 ;-) > > Charlie Don't they work harder in Sweden, so Sunday is a possibility, no? I mean all of that "Benevolent Socialism"! ;-) I took a wild guess, since Rosco's scrollers (shudder) had a serial number that was part date and part unit number. I was so happy to receive the batch built on 0401!! :-( Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:03:56 -0500 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: 3 phase 4 wire system question Message-id: <16ee01767e2999207d40560ee9f679c7 [at] uwosh.edu> Frank Wood responded to me: >> Basically, Delta has three coils that meet at the corners. As I >> understand it, ONE corner is bonded to earth ground. There is no >> neutral. > > Again, I say that this is bad. It is responsible for the 'wild phase', > which > so confounds some US installations. > No. What I said was that I believe a straight Delta system is grounded at a CORNER where two of the coils meet (see comment below), whereas the Center-Tapped transformer Delta system which has the "Wild phase" has a center tap NEUTRAL on one phase, and the Neutral is bonded to Ground. Not the same animals at ALL. One is strictly for things like big motors, and one also gives you some lighting circuits. You CANNOT get a "wild phase" on a straight Delta because there is no Neutral, unless you quite illegally try to use the Ground as a Neutral, which I'm sure would blow SOMETHING up! But a ground isn't a neutral, and should never be used as such! The biggest problem with a Center-tapped transformer would arise when someone mis-interpreted it as a Wye. THAT is when you get the "wild phase" effect on opposite tap. In addition to the excellent sites Mitch Hefter posted (thanks Mitch!), I also found this one: http://www.kilowattclassroom.com/Archive/DELTAWYEPhasors.pdf Please note the text which says you should not ground a transformer at BOTH a corner and at a center-tap. It ALSO says that a Delta is normally ungrounded by may be corner grounded to protect from ground faults on the other two phases. Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wisconsin Oshkosh alderson [at] uwosh.edu ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Scroller Advide Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:11:40 -0400 Message-ID: <001401c5cb51$6ed92040$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > Mike said: "I would > > guess that the units were made in 1993, possible February 28th." > > Feb. 28 was a Sunday in 1993 ;-) My bet is they were made on 8 February, 1993. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:27:37 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Scroller Advide In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Michael S. Eddy wrote: > Don't they work harder in Sweden, so Sunday is a possibility, no? I mean all > of that "Benevolent Socialism"! ;-) The EU passed a law in 1994 restricting member states to a 48 hour maximum work week. Maybe this was the problem! http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=EU+work+week+regulations&spell=1 Charlie ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:27:46 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Reply-To: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: good students... In-Reply-To: References: > no such thing as a stupid question, , only stupid answers, , > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault I beg to differ Keith, I get stupid questions from students every semester. A common stupid question that I hear often is, "I missed class last week, did you cover anything important?" I usually respond by asking them how they define "important." Students most often define something as "important" if there will be questions about it on an exam. I consider this a stupid question because I find it inconceivable that I (or any professor) would spend three hours of class time covering material and then not ask a single question about that material on an exam. I guess if you believe that this is possible, maybe it is not a stupid question. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <66F79D0D-3FBE-4B57-9C2B-6C0EDEC753A0 [at] cyphernet.homedns.org> From: Kurt Cypher Subject: Re: Legality of money on stage? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:34:55 -0400 On Oct 6, 2005, at 17:49, Stephen Litterst wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Josh Ratty wrote: > > >> --------------------------------------------------- >> Actually I believe that it can be copied, however there are specific >> requirements as to the size of the reproduced bills. They can be X% >> larger or Y% smaller but nowhere in the middle. Not sure what the >> exact >> ratios are. Also some newer photocopies will recognize the money >> and not >> copy it and will call the police. >> > > From United States Code 18, section 474: > Whoever prints, photographs, or in any other manner makes or > executes any engraving, photograph, print, or impression in the > likeness of any such obligation or other security, or any part > thereof, or sells any such engraving, photograph, print, or > impression, except to the United States, or brings into the United > States, any such engraving, photograph, print, or impression, > except by direction of some proper officer of the United States - > Is guilty of a class B felony. > > There is no exception for size. My guess is that allows them to > prosecute in case someone is enlarging the image to make a more > detailed copy of it. > > Steve L. From the US Secret Service Website : The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in Section 411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided: - the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated; - the illustration is one-sided; and - all negatives, plates, positives, digitized storage medium, graphic files, magnetic medium, optical storage devices, and any other thing used in the making of the illustration that contain an image of the illustration or any part thereof are destroyed and/or deleted or erased after their final use. So you can copy it to the specified sizes, but you can't keep the image file on your hard drive. Kurt ------------------------------ From: "Brian Busch" Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:35:38 -0600 Subject: Re: ticket software (a bit off topic, but I need some help) Message-Id: <20051007153538.4E164CDA0F [at] ws1-2a.us4.outblaze.com> >I have one question: what does it cost? I actually cannot give you an answer on the software itself. Pricing depend= s on transaction volume each year. For instance, I believe we went with 150= k transactions a year. This obviously varies from theatre to theatre. Inclu= ded costs are data migration, training, customization, branding. It's not c= heap, if that's what you're asking, $$,$$$. It was right on par with or jus= t under competing programs. Our final costs were much higher than they coul= d have been since we did not have the infrastructure in place to implement = it. Again, your mileage will vary depending on your needs. >If you don't have any "IT staff", there is another reason to keep the >system off of your own computers: The liability of maintaining customer >credit card information. In this day and age of hackers and data theft, do >you really want to have that kind of sensitive information on your Theatre >computer connected to the internet? While I am by no means the definitive source in network security there are = reasonable steps that can be taken to protect yourself and your customers. = Sure, having customer information stored in an electronic format at your ph= ysical location makes you liable should that information be compromised. Un= less you work in a cash-only environment there will always be risks. Even i= f you have no electronic ticketing system and all orders are taken and comp= leted on paper do you really think that someone at your theatre goes out ba= ck to burn the paper orders taken that day? Someone could far more easily b= reak a lock or a window and have access to the same sort of information tha= t could potentially be on a server, it just isn't as portable. Furthermore,= some systems do not store customer credit card information for any longer = than it takes to complete the transaction. And any good system should have = credit card information stored and transmitted in an encrypted format, neve= r in plain text. Not bullet-proof I know, but it's not just hanging out the= re either. With whatever type of ticketing system (or lack thereof) that you choose to= use there will always be risks. Some greater than others, but still there = are risks. You must weigh the positives and the negatives to find the right= balance for your particular application. There is no singular solution. Brian Busch IT Manager Coterie Theatre ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1da.45f0cdc8.3077f004 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:36:36 EDT Subject: Re: good students... In a message dated 10/7/05 11:29:36 AM, delbert.hall [at] gmail.com writes: << > no such thing as a stupid question, , only stupid answers, , > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault I beg to differ Keith, I get stupid questions from students every semester. A common stupid question that I hear often is, "I missed class last week, did you cover anything important?" I usually respond by asking them how they define "important." Students most often define something as "important" if there will be questions about it on an exam. I consider this a stupid question because I find it inconceivable that I (or any professor) would spend three hours of class time covering material and then not ask a single question about that material on an exam. I guess if you believe that this is possible, maybe it is not a stupid question. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall Phone: 714-585-7070 >> well said Doktor, , , , perhaps I need to modify the statement as "there is no such thing as a relevent question" or something like that, , , very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: RE: Scroller Advide Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:51:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20051007155133.YMYU21026.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net [at] p3m866> > > > Mike said: "I would > > > guess that the units were made in 1993, possible February 28th." > > > > Feb. 28 was a Sunday in 1993 ;-) And my bet is they were made sometime in the 28th week of 1993, probably early or mid July. Jim ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4590d63e0510070923y557040aex2114f0c0a19a90cb [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:23:07 -0500 From: Warren Stiles Reply-To: Warren Stiles Subject: Adhesives List Does anyone have experience with the use of adhesives on self-lubricating plastics? I am working on a project that will require me to attach Delrin to steel. I would prefer not to use mechanical fasteners if it can be avoided. TOA Warren Stiles ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2E3198416D5E7A4FB3FEC7E6838FE36B14D9F3 [at] ct11exm60.ds.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: batteries Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:35:07 -0700 " a large neon lamp mounted on the top of my motorcycle helmet" ????? OK, inquiring minds want to know why anyone would do such a thing. Chip -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Charlie Richmond Yep. B batteries used to be made into the 70s and I used one to power a large neon lamp mounted on the top of my motorcycle helmet in 1970. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:39:24 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: batteries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Wood Chip-P26398 wrote: > " a large neon lamp mounted on the top of my motorcycle helmet" ????? > > OK, inquiring minds want to know why anyone would do such a thing. Purely entertainment value.... particularly for those late night taxi passengers who've had a bit much to drink ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:50:49 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C9CB [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > My personal favorite in dimming ballasts is made by Easylite=20 > (www.easylite.org). =20 I'd love to take a look at this, but for some (apparently) Java-related reason every time I go there, with either IE or Opera, the site crashes my browser. Anyone have any success checking it out? ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051007094936.01db3160 [at] pop.uci.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:53:13 -0700 From: Ron Cargile Subject: RE: Source 4 lens question Michael Eddy said a bunch of stuff that started with >Having worked at ETC when the S4 was introduced, I can answer these >questions. The lenses for the S4 ERS vary by focal length. Thanks for the info. This isn't a big issue for me, but the question came up and I didn't have a decent answer for it. ....Ron ---- Ron Cargile ME, Univ of CA, Irvine ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:13:01 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c5cb62$622ff1f0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > My personal favorite in dimming ballasts is made by Easylite > > (www.easylite.org). > > I'd love to take a look at this, but for some (apparently) > Java-related reason every time I go there, with either IE or > Opera, the site crashes my browser. Anyone have any success > checking it out? I had no problem, using Opera 8.5. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051007103321.0478c928 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:41:01 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Fire hydrant location On our recent trip I ran across an odd location for a fire hose connection. The valve was at ground level in the trail and the hose connection was several feet down a very steep slope below the level of the trail. I have no idea how you'd get a hose connected to that without several people holding on to your feet and lowering you, hose, and wrench down to the pipe. The outlet is a normal brass fire hose connection. Here's a picture: http://interstellar.com/photos/Canada%20Trip%202005/Redstreak%20Trail,%20Radium%20Hot%20Springs,%20BC%206.JPG or http://tinyurl.com/dcbvb So, anyone have a stranger/less accessible fire hose connection? -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c5cb67$55320a60$6601a8c0 [at] Toshiba2> From: "John D. Palmer" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: Scroller Advice Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:48:30 -0700 Hi Jeffrey It is the outdoor version of the Rainbow scroller. You can try calling Angstrom Stage Lighting in Hollywood (323) 462-4246 and see if they have a manual for the units. If memory serves, they had some of these scrollers. Camelont was the manufacturer of all Rainbow products and might still be around in some form or other. Also, I just thought that you might try a company that builds gel strings, because they might have a manual. John D. Palmer Palmer & Company Design & Production (213) 453-1547 ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <15a.5a90d89e.307810f4 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:57:08 EDT Subject: Re: batteries In a message dated 07/10/05 10:23:32 GMT Daylight Time, mseddy2900 [at] hotmail.com writes: > Using batteries as part of electronics probably goes back to the > telegraph system, where you needed to set up the system in an isolated > area." Not just the telegraph. Until quite recently, all telephone systems ran on a 'central battery'. This provided 50V DC to operate all the eqipment, relays, uniselectors and so on. They were huge banks of lead-acid cells, and it was strictly forbidden to take metal ladders or scaffolding into a battery room. Each line was protected with a carbon filament lamp in series with the supply, which gave a fault indication. These days it's directly derived from the mains, but all telephone instruments still expect to find 50V between the two legs. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <198.487b06ad.307812e1 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:05:21 EDT Subject: Re: good students... BKHAIN [at] aol.com writes: <> IAEG [at] aol.com responded: <> Our schools these days seem more concerned with getting kids to pass the test rather than to ask the questions and make the connections that show the kids can think. I'm afraid many teachers aren't smart enough to be able to FIND the answer to the questions that kids come up with much less know the answer in the first place. If you find a student who still is curious enough to wonder and courageous enough to ask - you've found a kid who can go far! As for the person who talked about kids not staying around after they've completed their requirement shop hours... if your boss asked you to work without "pay" would you? Nah... I didn't think so. Name of the game is "do what you have to so you get the grade you want" not "be excellent in all you do." Find a way to reward those who do more and you'll get more kids wanting to do more. I'd suggest good food for college kids. Could be as simple as a sincere thanks in front of peers. Perhaps a free tix to the next big show that comes to town. Maybe they get referred to the IA for some paid gigs. Use your imagination. :) Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3998154b0510071104s4ddd6b90tb79bc00219cfaaf7 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:04:46 -0700 From: Paul Puppo Reply-To: Paul Puppo Subject: Re: batteries In-Reply-To: References:

On 10/7/05, Charlie Richmond wrote: >I used one to power a large > neon lamp mounted on the top of my motorcycle helmet in 1970. OK, More inquiring minds want a picture! Paul Puppo http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:08:55 -0500 From: Erik Nelson Reply-To: Erik Nelson Cc: warren.stiles [at] gmail.com (Warren Stiles) Subject: Re: Adhesives In-Reply-To: References: 3M makes many adhesives that work well on dificult-to-join plastics. I am not sure of the chemical composition of Delrin, but I have used Scotch-weld DP-8005 (http://tinyurl.com/ace64) on polyethylene. It is available from McMaster-Carr, among other places. You'd need to get an applicator and nozzles in addition to the adhesive cartridges, but it works very well. 3M also makes double-sided tapes that bond well to many surfaces, but I don't remember any specifics. Erik On 10/7/05, Warren Stiles wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > List > > Does anyone have experience with the use of adhesives on > self-lubricating plastics? I am working on a project that will require > me to attach Delrin to steel. I would prefer not to use mechanical > fasteners if it can be avoided. TOA > > Warren Stiles > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 14:11:12 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: good students... In-reply-to: Message-id: <4346BA40.7040107 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > If you find a student who still is curious enough to wonder and courageous > enough to ask - you've found a kid who can go far! Except if the kid is asking the same questions. Over and over and over and over... Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1c2.3297ef6e.30781541 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:15:29 EDT Subject: Re: good students... In a message dated 10/7/05 2:13:03 PM, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: << Except if the kid is asking the same questions. Over and over and over and over... >> sounds like a "special needs student" very best, Keith ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: good students... Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:18:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000201c5cb6b$91aefa30$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Find a way to reward those who do more and you'll get more > kids wanting to > do more. How about education for its own sake? ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.3dba723b.307816a2 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:21:22 EDT Subject: Re: good students... _delbert.hall [at] gmail.com_ (mailto:delbert.hall [at] gmail.com) writes: << A common stupid question that I hear often is, "I missed class last week, did you cover anything important?" >> The answer to that is "Everything I teach may be important to you at some time. I suggest you get the notes from 2-3 different students to make certain you get the all of the information YOU missed." (BIG smile!) I started doing that with middle schoolers and began to hear "I got the notes from Mike and Nikki last night, would you please look at them to see if there's anything I missed." :) Can you tell I'm proud of those kids! Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:21:39 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Cc: ppuppo [at] gmail.com (Paul Puppo) Subject: Re: batteries In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Paul Puppo wrote: > OK, More inquiring minds want a picture! Sorry, no can do... ;-) I'd have destroyed the evidence anyway, probably ;-) It was a standard ceramic Edison screw base fitting hot glued to the helmet (a German half-helmet with leather flaps) I rode a 1954 BMW: http://www.richmondsounddesign.com/pix/1969/09-01-0608-1.jpg Coincidentally my drinking buddy at the time was the daughter of the guy who invented the 'Strong Vocational Interest Blank' test. She was a dresser. Not sure how much we influenced him, though ;-) Charlie ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:26:21 EDT Subject: Re: good students... slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: << Except if the kid is asking the same questions. Over and over and over and over... >> Then you know the kid hasn't learned it. Part of teaching is checking to see that the kid "gets it." Try explaining a different way and have the kid explain it back using his/her own words. Try hands on (lots of kinesthetic learners in technical theatre - people who need to DO it). Have a visual kid sketch it for you. The more sensory modalities you use to get the info into a kid's head, the better the chance the kid will get it. Kristi ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <82.322cfde6.30781b73 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:41:55 EDT Subject: Re: good students... stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: << How about education for its own sake? >> That's not done for a grade, is it? ;) Kristi ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: delbert.hall [at] gmail.com ('Delbert Hall') Subject: RE: good students... Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:52:53 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c5cb70$55ebce60$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > A common stupid question that I hear often=20 > is, "I missed class last week, did you cover anything=20 > important?" That was always my favorite, when I was teaching. The answer always = was, "I guess you'll never know," or, "No, I just stood there for 90 minutes and blathered." The other common one was, "Is that going to be on the final?" The = answer always was, "Yes". ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: warren.stiles [at] gmail.com ('Warren Stiles') Subject: RE: Adhesives Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:23:32 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My only concern is the use of the proper Personal Protective Equipment when using any adhesives. Read the labels carefully and the MSDS sheets. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Warren Stiles Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:23 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Adhesives For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- List Does anyone have experience with the use of adhesives on self-lubricating plastics? I am working on a project that will require me to attach Delrin to steel. I would prefer not to use mechanical fasteners if it can be avoided. TOA Warren Stiles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:58:50 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: good students... In-reply-to: Message-id: <4346D37A.2000307 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > The other common one was, "Is that going to be on the final?" The answer > always was, "Yes". My answer to that has become, "It is now." Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: good students... Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:05:12 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c5cb7a$702f64d0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > > The other common one was, "Is that going to be on the final?" The=20 > > answer always was, "Yes". >=20 > My answer to that has become, "It is now." Very nice. I hope you follow up by very obviously making a note to = yourself -- even if it really only says, "1 pound pastrami/pick up = laundry/present for Emily...." ------------------------------ Subject: RE: good students... Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:07:51 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A9277 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" Do you wonder how many of the Stagecraft students who read this mail list are considering changing majors? =20 Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > The other common one was, "Is that going to be on the final?" The answer > always was, "Yes". My answer to that has become, "It is now." Steve L. --=20 Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: good students... Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:23:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c5cb7d$01e2abb0$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Do you wonder how many of the Stagecraft students who read > this mail list are considering changing majors? Hopefully, none; the subtext of this thread is that they should take their classwork seriously. Not that *I* ever did, mind you.... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: good students... Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:52:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A9278 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com I was just about to send a reply detailing all the things I got away with in college. But then it occurred to me that my own students might read this list, not to mention my current employer, not to mention potential future employers.... -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jeffrey E. Salzberg Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:24 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: good students... For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- =20 > Do you wonder how many of the Stagecraft students who read=20 > this mail list are considering changing majors?=20 Hopefully, none; the subtext of this thread is that they should take their classwork seriously. Not that *I* ever did, mind you.... ------------------------------ Subject: Pocket hole report Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:02:04 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C9CC [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" So over the summer I had asked if anyone had ever tried pocket hole carpentry when building standard flats, and received no positive responses (except for Trey Haagen who, IIRC, was considering trying it out as well). Well, 2/3 of the way into the build of the first show I've done with them, I thought I'd share my impressions. *cue music* (with apologies to Pat Benatar) "I love pocket holes! Buy another Kreg Rocket Pocket, baby! I love pocket holes! Time to place a call to McFeely's!" I'm sorry. It's been a long week. :) ------------------------------ Subject: RE: good students... Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:03:14 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C9CD [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Do you wonder how many of the Stagecraft students who read=20 > this mail list are considering changing majors? =20 Most of mine are in it for the Gen Ed credit. And we're past the withdrawal deadline, I believe. Muahahahahaha! ------------------------------ Subject: RE: good students... Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:04:03 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C9CE [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > I was just about to send a reply detailing all the things I=20 > got away with in college. But then it occurred to me that my=20 > own students might read this list, not to mention my current=20 > employer, not to mention potential future employers.... Hey, I've gotten interviews off this list, even *after* detailing a lot of that kinda stuff! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051007212915.73727.qmail [at] web52211.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:29:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: "Most likely to be good" In-Reply-To: > > From: John Arrowsmith > > Hello :) > > A UK teacher recently emailed me to say:- > > "Any ideas on an 'audition/test' for backstage > gratefully received! > There MUST be some out there somewhere ..." > In my limited experience, I have found the the folks who excel at puzzles tend to make good stagehands. They tend to have the good nature to mull over various solutions to a problem, and are willing to try them until the right (or one of the right) answers appears. Pick some puzzles ("book-type" cross-word or word search puzzles, 3-D tactile puzzles and maybe some brain-teaser type questions and have the interviewees have a go. If you start this process on the backstage people you already have and value, maybe you can get an idea of the types of answers and thinking processes you will want to look for in the newbies. Paul __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: "Douglas P. McCracken" Subject: RE: Pocket hole report Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:38:58 -1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > > *cue music* (with apologies to Pat Benatar) > > "I love pocket holes! > Buy another Kreg Rocket Pocket, baby! > I love pocket holes! > Time to place a call to McFeely's!" > > I'm sorry. It's been a long week. :) > I believe that was Joan Jett. Aloha, Douglas ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1964cf3b0510071439n3e608b4ei22d100008219fc36 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:39:40 -0400 From: David Carrico Reply-To: David Carrico Subject: Re: Pocket hole report In-Reply-To: References: Oooo, long week indeed! Now you have to apologize to Joan Jett as well!! I worked for a brief spell at a display/cabinet shop and they used pocket holes to the point of having a dedicated pocket hole work station. Probably not an in expensive piece of shop machinery. Glad to hear it makes you happy. I reckon it's a quick way to build very sturdy scenery. I'm sorry, but I didn't follow this thread previously. How 'standard' are your flats? Are we talking 1x3 framing? Or something thicker, like 5/4? Hard-covered or soft or both? Any photos? I always enjoyed the McFeely's catalog with the photo of the male model in the safety goggles with a look on his face like he was anticipating a shot from a gun....Long week indeed here as well. 'peace & hair grease' DC > > *cue music* (with apologies to Pat Benatar) > > "I love pocket holes! > Buy another Kreg Rocket Pocket, baby! > I love pocket holes! > Time to place a call to McFeely's!" > > I'm sorry. It's been a long week. :) -- Dave Carrico New York Metropolitan Area ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Pocket hole report Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:01:56 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196C9CF [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" Cc: daveffreep [at] gmail.com (David Carrico) > Oooo, long week indeed! Now you have to apologize to Joan=20 > Jett as well!! D'oh! You're right, of course. Why was I thinking Pat Benatar? > I worked for a brief spell at a display/cabinet shop and they=20 > used pocket holes to the point of having a dedicated pocket=20 > hole work station. Probably not an in expensive piece of=20 > shop machinery. Actually, the big Kreg mega-jig only runs about $150. I've been using = the $50 kit. > Glad to hear it makes you happy. I reckon it's a quick way=20 > to build very sturdy scenery. I'm sorry, but I didn't follow=20 > this thread previously. How 'standard' are your flats? Are=20 > we talking 1x3 framing? Or something thicker, like 5/4?=20 > Hard-covered or soft or both? Any photos? No photos yet. 1x3 frames, typically...though I've also used them to = leg up 2x4 platforms that needed a nice, pretty lauan fa=E7ade. It's = great to be able to get your legs flush to the outside edge of the = platform frame. (Caveat...I wouldn't do this with anything you needed = to leg up more than 18" or so without crossbracing significantly.) Best part is that a number of the students absolutely *love* it. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <127.66431a40.30784e1d [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:18:05 EDT Subject: Re: good students... In a message dated 07/10/05 21:25:17 GMT Daylight Time, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: > Hopefully, none; the subtext of this thread is that they should take their > classwork seriously. > > Not that *I* ever did, mind you.... Nor I, although I managed to scrape a degree. But only just.The next grade down from mine is 'fail'.I think that standards were higher, then, in 1961, and it was a degree in a prestigious subject from a prestigious university (Physics, and from the University of Manchester, England). Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <29.7d3dbf8d.30784e92 [at] aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:20:02 EDT Subject: Re: Pocket hole report In a message dated 07/10/05 22:03:47 GMT Daylight Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu writes: > "I love pocket holes! > Buy another Kreg Rocket Pocket, baby! > I love pocket holes! > Time to place a call to McFeely's!" I'm glad for you. Just what the hell are they? Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051007154634.03c5ddd8 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 15:48:26 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Dimmable fluorescents, anyone? In-Reply-To: References:

At 07:25 AM 10/7/2005, you wrote: >You do need compatible fluorescent ballasts. I've done a fair number of >architectural projects using dimming fluorescents, and while they're not >pretty, they do work. However, each dimmer manufacturer will have very >specific ballasts that their dimmers will work with. In many cases you are >also limited to 4' tubes. The Tridonic ballast I have here is for an 18W CF lamp. They have both DMX and DALI units for various sized lamps (the dimmer is in the ballast). -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Pocket hole report Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:21:31 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of > FrankWood95 [at] aol.com > Sent: 07 October 2005 23:20 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Pocket hole report > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 07/10/05 22:03:47 GMT Daylight Time, > pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu > writes: > > > "I love pocket holes! > > Buy another Kreg Rocket Pocket, baby! > > I love pocket holes! > > Time to place a call to McFeely's!" > > I'm glad for you. Just what the hell are they? > > > Frank Wood I'd guess tenon & mortice? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:20:47 -0400 From: Brian Munroe Reply-To: Brian Munroe Subject: Re: Pocket hole report In-Reply-To: References: Pocket hole joints are pretty much fancy toe-screws. They are made with a jig that aligns that peices to be joined and drills an angled pilot hole and countersink. Kreg (www.kregtools.com), probably the best know manufacturer of pocket hole jigs, claims that they are actually stronger then a mortise and tenon joint. Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com On 10/7/05, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 07/10/05 22:03:47 GMT Daylight Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.e= du > writes: > > > "I love pocket holes! > > Buy another Kreg Rocket Pocket, baby! > > I love pocket holes! > > Time to place a call to McFeely's!" > > I'm glad for you. Just what the hell are they? > > > Frank Wood > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:33:07 -0400 From: Paul Schreiner Subject: Re: Pocket hole report In-Reply-To: References:

> > I'm glad for you. Just what the hell are they? > > I'd guess tenon & mortice? No, but similar idea in some ways. It's a method of on-face carpentry. A pocket hole is drilled with a step drill bit; the outer portion is about 1/2" in diameter, with a smaller pilot-hole-sized extension. Basically, with the jig I mentioned, you drill a combination pilot & clearance hole in the material at a 15-degree angle. The jig is designed so that when you insert the screw through the piece-to-be-attached, the shank exits the far edge dead-center; it then penetrates the piece-to-be-attached-to and pulls the lumber together as any screw should. Practical upshot is, you can build very sturdy standard (on-face) flats without glue, corner blocks & keystones, setback widgets, and staples. You also can recover nearly all the lumber used easily, disassemble and reassemble if you need to make alterations, and do it all without the mess (or the waiting time it takes for the glue to dry). The joints are, IMO, stronger than the old glue-block joints, as well. More fun, less time, less mess, more recycling, less footprint (cuz you don't need to count the thickness of the corner blocks in your storage plans) and an easier time doing oblique flats. Only drawbacks...a little extra cost (especially if you're doing a lot of this and don't wanna lose time waiting for the pocket holes to be drilled) and the risk of the occasional split wood. The "detail" time (time it takes to make sure everything's lined up right) is even leaning towards the pocket hole side. Best $50 I've EVER spent in the shop. For a detailed picture of the method of attachment, check out http://tinyurl.com/d3c99. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:01:09 -0400 From: Laura Eckelman Subject: Re: Mini-Strips In-Reply-To: References:

Likewise I know nothing about the Nanos, but I worked with 6 L&E ministrips this summer and they were a nightmare. Corrosion developed constantly on the bases, spreading to others on the same circuit or in the same instrument. We had to replace several bases more than once, and with 5 units onstage we blew at least one lamp almost every night. Maybe there was something quirky about our instruments or the circuitry of the theatre, but I would never recommend them, having heard bad stories from others as well. Laura Eckelman Freelance Technician On 10/6/05, Steve B. wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Peeler" > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > Does anyone have any insight regarding "mini-strips"? I'm particularly > > interested in the pros & cons of the L&E Nanostrip versus their Ministr= ip. > > They will be primarily used as shadow fill footlights. > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Bill Peeler > > Texas State University > > Can't say about the Nano's > > I never liked MR16 as foot lights and/or ground rows. The flood lamp we > use - EYC at 75w doesn't have a lot of spread at close distance. We use > them as overhead cyc washes with either R104 or the R123-126 Rosco silk > colors to get a decent diffusion. Other then that, our fixtures are > original L&E (+20 yrs. old) and have been very durable and reliable. > > Steve Bailey > Brooklyn College > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:38:32 -0400 Subject: Re: good students... From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > If you find a student who still is curious enough to wonder and courageous > enough to ask - you've found a kid who can go far! That is if they aren't labelled a "Troublemaker" and shot down too many times by "teachers" that think kids should just shut up, and listen. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:10:08 -0400 Subject: Re: ticket software (a bit off topic, but I need some help) From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > While I am by no means the definitive source in network security there are > reasonable steps that can be taken to protect yourself and your customers. > Sure, having customer information stored in an electronic format at your > physical location makes you liable should that information be compromised. > Unless you work in a cash-only environment there will always be risks. Even if > you have no electronic ticketing system and all orders are taken and completed > on paper do you really think that someone at your theatre goes out back to > burn the paper orders taken that day? As soon as telephone or in-person credit card transaction is run through the electronic credit card machine, the slip with their credit card info is run through a paper shredder. "Out back to burn the papers"??? We're not quite THAT behind the times here. >Someone could far more easily break a > lock or a window and have access to the same sort of information that could > potentially be on a server, it just isn't as portable. Certainly someone could break in and steal a pile of actual tickets, or the entire computer for that matter. However, we feel a lot more confident at protecting against that type of break-in than from a hacker. I am by far the most computer savvy guy on our small staff, but I wouldn't know where to begin to protect a computer system from electronic break-ins, and wouldn't feel at all comfortable trying. This is why I used the qualifier "If you don't have any "IT staff" ". Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: RE: fire curtain laws Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:01:18 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: %The reasoning is that the only professional fire fighters should use hoses, because they know how. Hoses are very powerful and dangerous. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Stephen E. Rees Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 7:09 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: fire curtain laws For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Yeah. Curious thing about hoses in cabinets. On this campus (can't speak for other SUNYs) there had been hoses on reels and in cabinets since the building was built. The state even went so far as to replace them all at age 25. Two years later, all the hoses AND the cabinets were removed in accordance with the instructions of the state fire marshal. Totally 180 degrees apart from IN. Steve Rees Mike Brubaker wrote: Short > version: the local guys wanted no hoses in the cabinets inside--they > figured any hoses used in a fire would be ones they could trust: > theirs. The state insisted on hoses in the cabinets. The state won.). > > Again, keep in mind that things do very greatly by state... > > Mike ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051008063745.25576.qmail [at] web33304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:37:45 -0700 (PDT) From: J Burch Subject: Hard edge on Legs In-Reply-To: Greetings For an upcoming show, I need to create hard edges on velour legs. I have done this a number of ways in the past, But I thought I would look to the wisdom of the list for some possible ideas I haven't used or thought of. Thanks in advance, Jean Burch __________________________________ Yahoo! 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