Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 25107429; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:01:35 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #552 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:00:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #552 1. Re: preferred swaging tool by Delbert Hall 2. Re: Software by "Dana Taylor" 3. Re: Preferred Swaging Tool by "Jonathan S. Deull" 4. furlongs per fortnight by Judy 5. Re: preferred swaging tool by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 6. Re: Preferred Swaging Tool by Jerry Durand 7. Subject: Software used in theater by "Bill Conner" 8. Re: online conversion calc. by "Bill Conner" 9. Re: Flame testing by "Bill Conner" 10. Re: An odd question... by Nicholas Kuhl 11. Re: Flame testing by Delbert Hall 12. Re: Software used in theater by "G. D. George" 13. Re: preferred swaging tool by Delbert Hall 14. Stair/ladder question by Paul Schreiner 15. Re: Stair/ladder question by Jerry Durand 16. Re: Stair/ladder question by Jerry Durand 17. Re: Stair/ladder question by Paul Schreiner 18. Re: Stair/ladder question by Jerry Durand 19. Re: An odd question... by Laura Eckelman 20. Re: An odd question... by Steve Larson 21. Re: An odd question... by MissWisc [at] aol.com 22. Re: An odd question... by Bruce Purdy 23. Re: An odd question... by "Occy" 24. Re: Standards by Joseph Champelli 25. Truss Spots by Mark Harvey *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:18:23 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: preferred swaging tool In-Reply-To: References:

Jonathan, My favorite swaging tool is Nicropress' (National Telephone Co.) No. 63 tool. It will swage oval sleeves on 1/16", 3/32", 1/8" and 5/32" cable (and also 5/64"). Since I swage of a lot of 5/64", 3/32" and 1/8" sleeves, I like having one tool that works for all these cable sizes. The No. 64 tool also has a cable cutter, but I prefer my C7s for cutting ca= ble. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-Id: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 06:49:52 -0500 From: "Dana Taylor" Subject: RE: Software Hi Scott: While we don't use all of them, these are some software programs that we = have explored. The following website has links to the auto-run feature for Powerpoint. We = are looking at using this for student portfolios. www.clcmn.edu/mharvey Also, here are some other sites that might be of benefit to you and/or = your students. I attended a session called "Digital Swag for the Classroom" at USITT in = Toronto. The majority of the stuff is free. Audacity: A multitrack audio editor.=20 We use this quite a bit and have found it very easy to use. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ Image Editors: http://www.gimp.org/ www.povray.org http://www.stmuc.com/moray/ (for use with POVray) http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/Software/PhotoPlus/download.asp Rendering Programs: http://www.artofillusion.org/ Animation: This is the Maya 6.0 software used fopr "Lord of the Rings". This is a = nearly free student edition. http://www.alias.com/eng/products-services/maya/maya_ple/index.shtml Video Editing: http://www.freewarefiles.com/programs.php?categoryid=3D6&subcategoryid=3D74= &ProgramID=3D453 http://www.avid.com/freedv/index.asp PDF Creator: As easy to use as printing a document. http://www.pdf995.com/ Hope some of these are of some value. Best regards, Dana Taylor Dana W. Taylor Mt. Vernon Sr. High School 812.838.4356 ------------------------------ From: "Jonathan S. Deull" Subject: RE: Preferred Swaging Tool Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:15:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bill Sapsis wrote: ...I'm not sure what you mean by a general purposes swaging tool. Each tool has specific sizes... Bill: I should have known that you would nail me on my lack of precision in the question. I of course am aware of everything you said. I was really fishing out of curiosity as to whether most people are sticking with Nicopress or using other manufacturers' tools, as well as which sizes they find most useful, easy to handle, and so forth. I'm asking because I'm teaching students about them and wanted give the students a sense of what they are most likely to see out in the "real" world. I will refine the question: Of course if you are working with 1/4 inch you will need a 1/4 inch tool. For smaller diameters, which tools do people like using? Jonathan ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43524D45.60807 [at] post.tau.ac.il> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:53:25 +0200 From: Judy Subject: furlongs per fortnight Joanne Dow mentioned some weird conversion once in the Show Control list, and when I asked where she got it she said: > UNIXoid machines have a handy little tool named "units". It provides > you with translation of units. > > You have: teaspoon > You want: cc > * 4.9289216 > / 0.20288414 > You have: 25 teaspoon > You want: cc > * 123.22304 > / 0.0081153654 > > And so forth. (It even handles furlongs/fortnight: > You have: furlongs/fortnight > You want: miles/hour > * 0.00037202455 > / 2687.9946 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: preferred swaging tool Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:59:55 -0400 Message-ID: <005d01c5d259$e6733780$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Jonathan. I'm not sure what you mean by a general purposes > swaging tool. Each tool has specific sizes. Which is the best one for hitting directors in the head? ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Preferred Swaging Tool Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 07:35:20 -0700 On Oct 16, 2005, at 5:15 AM, Jonathan S. Deull wrote: > I'm asking because I'm teaching > students about them and wanted give the students a sense of what > they are > most likely to see out in the "real" world. Wouldn't that be knotted clothesline and dog clips? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001a01c5d25f$b8ad7a30$6601a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Subject: Software used in theater Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:41:36 -0500 AutoCAD gets my vote. I have a subscription to ADT but just plain AutoCAD is fine. If you use LT and try the full version, you'll never want to go back to LT. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001b01c5d260$64e834c0$6601a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: online conversion calc. Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:46:23 -0500 EngNet Tools has an online version but I prefer the download. It is very compact and quick. Find it at http://www.engnetglobal.com/ I see it does furlongs as well as poles and rods and quite a few units I am not familiar with. Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001f01c5d263$60d2f340$6601a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Flame testing Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:07:51 -0500 Mike posts "How, then, should a theatre determine the flame resistance of the drapery?" I don't know other than by the original certificate and age and using very conservative estimates for the effects of aging. Certainly logging dry-cleanings would be a start. (How many curtains are actually dry cleaned more than a couple of times in their life?) Does anyone sew on a label with space for the dates of cleanings? Keeping samples from the same lot and having them tested annually would be burdensome - both the effort and the cost of tests - but would probably c.y.a. It does bother me some since most fires on stage I come across are curtains and lights (or pyro). As I've posted before, even brand new curtains with certificates will burn with enough exposure to the heat of an ers. I believe that there should be regulation which requires heat borders and tabs for electrics and booms but there hasn't been much enthusiasm for this. When you read a label or certificate, what test does it claim to have passed? 701? a recent version or an old one? method 1 or method 2? I've never wanted to poke too hard into this but I was told by a major manufacturer that common cotton velour could not hold enough chemical to pass the current NFPA 701 test method 2, which he claimed was the correct one for stage curtains. Perhaps he was wrong or this has changed. He did report a few projects with vigilant fire marshals where new curtains had to be replaced with IFR to be allowed to open. It is a report based on a presentation. What about muslin or canvas drops? What do you do? The concerns for a fire marshal testing a curtain - something I am lead to believe is or was common in NYC - reminds me of the fire marshal testing the deluge curtain and forgetting to set the bypass valve. Oh my. Shall I say "Warm" regards, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:13:36 -0400 From: Nicholas Kuhl Subject: Re: An odd question... In-reply-to: Message-id: <43526E20.2060307 [at] bu.edu> References: I never had to do anything like that, though when I was in elementary school (9+ years ago) they still had the ropes up, and I was always disappointed we never got to climb them. But then I also climbed everything in sight when I was a kid (and still do it, but safely now). But I don't think the school ever owned an ounce of safety equipment. Nick Kuhl Boston University Bruce Purdy wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > I don't know what just got me thinking about this, but I have a puzzler. >A lifetime ago, back when I was in school, they used to have a big rope in >the gym. Students were supposed to climb the rope as high as you could - >presumably to the ceiling of the gym if you could. (I was no good at that!) > > Do kids still have to do this? If they can climb over 6' high, shouldn't >they be wearing fall restraint equipment? I never saw any when I was a kid. > > Just wondering. > >Bruce > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:31:09 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Flame testing In-Reply-To: References: In the late '70s I worked for a company that made stage drapes. We would take a scrap of the material (about 2"x 6" piece) and hold a lighted match to the fabric. Once the fabric started to burn, we removed the flame. If the fire retardant was working properly the fabric would stop burning within a few second. If the fabric completely burned up, well... the fire retardant was not working. I never saw a new test sample fail this test. -Delbert On 10/16/05, Bill Conner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Mike posts "How, then, should a theatre determine the flame resistance of > the drapery?" > > I don't know other than by the original certificate and age and using ver= y > conservative estimates for the effects of aging. Certainly logging > dry-cleanings would be a start. (How many curtains are actually dry clea= ned > more than a couple of times in their life?) Does anyone sew on a label w= ith > space for the dates of cleanings? > > Keeping samples from the same lot and having them tested annually would b= e > burdensome - both the effort and the cost of tests - but would probably > c.y.a. > > It does bother me some since most fires on stage I come across are curtai= ns > and lights (or pyro). As I've posted before, even brand new curtains wit= h > certificates will burn with enough exposure to the heat of an ers. I > believe that there should be regulation which requires heat borders and t= abs > for electrics and booms but there hasn't been much enthusiasm for this. > > When you read a label or certificate, what test does it claim to have > passed? 701? a recent version or an old one? method 1 or method 2? > > I've never wanted to poke too hard into this but I was told by a major > manufacturer that common cotton velour could not hold enough chemical to > pass the current NFPA 701 test method 2, which he claimed was the correct > one for stage curtains. Perhaps he was wrong or this has changed. He di= d > report a few projects with vigilant fire marshals where new curtains had = to > be replaced with IFR to be allowed to open. It is a report based on a > presentation. > > What about muslin or canvas drops? What do you do? > > The concerns for a fire marshal testing a curtain - something I am lead t= o > believe is or was common in NYC - reminds me of the fire marshal testing = the > deluge curtain and forgetting to set the bypass valve. Oh my. > > Shall I say "Warm" regards, > > Bill > > > -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: Software used in theater Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:39:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: AutoCAD 2005 and LT 2004 LDAssistant AC This is new. I think I like it a lot but am still playing with it. Based on AutoCAD 2004 with lighting paperwork generation and a really nice rendering engine. Also has built-in platform, wall, truss, stair generation. Communicates very nicely to Lightwright. (From Lightwright is another story.) Also has a module that allows it to send and receive DMX. That needs work yet, but will be very nice for pre-cueing a show when they get it to communicate a little better with a board. Haven't tried it out to dimmers yet, and don't think it will replace a console in its current iteration. Photoshop CS Corel Painter 8 Adobe Acrobat Lightwright Audacity (Freeware! Outstanding!) ETC Offline editor (oh for a decent freeware or aftermarket editor.) Poser (still playing with this, but I think it could be useful) Word Excel MS Office imaging G. D. George Assistant Professor and Technical Director Capital University Theatre Department of Communications 1 College and Main Columbus, OH 43209 (614) 236-6498 ggeorge [at] capital.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:46:39 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: preferred swaging tool In-Reply-To: References:

If I remember correctly, the Loos swaging tools have slightly longer handles, which gives them slightly more leverage when swaging.=20 Nicropress slightly shorter handles makes them easier to carry around and they fit better in shipping boxes. Both tools work the same way and do an equally good job. I have used both, but I prefer the Nicropress for the reason stated above. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:12:59 -0400 From: Paul Schreiner Subject: Stair/ladder question I'm sitting at home trying to do some quick drafting of a tall escape stair, and I'm without my Backstage Handbook. Anyone have it handy who could tell me what the optimal ranges are for rise/run angles?=20 Much obliged... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051016091941.029e9f10 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:20:28 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Stair/ladder question In-Reply-To: References: At 09:12 AM 10/16/2005, you wrote: >I'm sitting at home trying to do some quick drafting of a tall escape >stair, and I'm without my Backstage Handbook. Anyone have it handy >who could tell me what the optimal ranges are for rise/run angles? >Much obliged... Rise + Run = 17 to 17.5" 20-50 degrees preferred ladders 65 - 90 -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051016092102.029eb210 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:21:25 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Stair/ladder question Forgot preferred: 30-35 degrees -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:40:14 -0400 From: Paul Schreiner Subject: Re: Stair/ladder question In-Reply-To: References:

> ladders 65 - 90 Thanks...this is what I needed! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051016095303.029e8b50 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:53:28 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Stair/ladder question In-Reply-To: References:

At 09:40 AM 10/16/2005, you wrote: > > ladders 65 - 90 > >Thanks...this is what I needed! Ship's ladders are 65-75, if you care -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:16:13 -0400 From: Laura Eckelman Subject: Re: An odd question... In-Reply-To: References:

It is true. Kids in public elementary school - at least in Massachusetts - have to climb a rope to the ceiling (or as far as they can get.) I believe it's part of the President's Physical Fitness test, which would make it a national program. I know at my old school they use mats, but definitely no harnesses or anything. ~Laura Freelance Technician NYC On 10/16/05, Nicholas Kuhl wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I never had to do anything like that, though when I was in elementary > school (9+ years ago) they still had the ropes up, and I was always > disappointed we never got to climb them. But then I also climbed > everything in sight when I was a kid (and still do it, but safely now). > But I don't think the school ever owned an ounce of safety equipment. > > Nick Kuhl > Boston University > > Bruce Purdy wrote: > > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > >--------------------------------------------------- > > > > I don't know what just got me thinking about this, but I have a puzz= ler. > >A lifetime ago, back when I was in school, they used to have a big rope = in > >the gym. Students were supposed to climb the rope as high as you could - > >presumably to the ceiling of the gym if you could. (I was no good at tha= t!) > > > > Do kids still have to do this? If they can climb over 6' high, shoul= dn't > >they be wearing fall restraint equipment? I never saw any when I was a k= id. > > > > Just wondering. > > > >Bruce > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:05:11 -0400 Subject: Re: An odd question... From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: "President's Physical Fitness test"- Started during the Kennedy administration. Steve > From: Laura Eckelman > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:16:13 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: An odd question... > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > It is true. Kids in public elementary school - at least in > Massachusetts - have to climb a rope to the ceiling (or as far as they > can get.) I believe it's part of the President's Physical Fitness > test, which would make it a national program. I know at my old school > they use mats, but definitely no harnesses or anything. > > ~Laura > > Freelance Technician > NYC > > > On 10/16/05, Nicholas Kuhl wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> I never had to do anything like that, though when I was in elementary >> school (9+ years ago) they still had the ropes up, and I was always >> disappointed we never got to climb them. But then I also climbed >> everything in sight when I was a kid (and still do it, but safely now). >> But I don't think the school ever owned an ounce of safety equipment. >> >> Nick Kuhl >> Boston University >> >> Bruce Purdy wrote: >> >>> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> I don't know what just got me thinking about this, but I have a puzzler. >>> A lifetime ago, back when I was in school, they used to have a big rope in >>> the gym. Students were supposed to climb the rope as high as you could - >>> presumably to the ceiling of the gym if you could. (I was no good at that!) >>> >>> Do kids still have to do this? If they can climb over 6' high, shouldn't >>> they be wearing fall restraint equipment? I never saw any when I was a kid. >>> >>> Just wondering. >>> >>> Bruce >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <191.49ef46c4.3084011c [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:16:44 EDT Subject: Re: An odd question... bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com writes: <> YEP! By that same logic, kids who high jump, pole vault, gymnastic vault, parallel bars, still rings, trampoline, and the like should also have fall arrest equipment. They get away with it because they supposedly have soft surfaces (mats/padding) for the kids to land on, unlike the guy working up on a scaffold who will fall onto the ground or materials below. My son's school has a huge cargo net that hangs from the ceiling - slightly safer than the rope in that they are taught to only move one point at a time (2 feet + 2 hands = 4 points) and they don't to a timed "race", it's more of a coordination and overcoming fear of heights challenge. They do have mats on the floor also. BTW - the Presidential Award has never included rope climbing. It's: curl ups flexed arm hang (girls) push ups or pull ups (boys) one mile endurance run (shorter for younger kids) shuttle run (30 feet dropping erasers or similar items from one place to the other) and V-sit or "sit and reach" to demonstrate flexibility. _http://www.presidentschallenge.org/educators/program_details/physical_fitness /events.aspx_ (http://www.presidentschallenge.org/educators/program_details/physical_fitness/events.aspx) Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:23:27 -0400 Subject: Re: An odd question... From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > >Do kids still have to do this? If they can climb over 6' high, shouldn't >> they be wearing fall restraint equipment? I never saw any when I was a kid.>> > > They get away with it because they supposedly have soft surfaces > (mats/padding) for the kids to land on, unlike the guy working up on a > scaffold who will > fall onto the ground or materials below. Thanks Kristi. That makes sense. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References:

Subject: Re: An odd question... Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:14:38 -0700 When I was in high school back in the early 70's. It was a requirement that you climb the rope each semester of P.E. The big blank jocks could never figure out how I could climb to the top when they could never get there in the time allotted, one semester I climbed up and hung on for 10 mins teacher wasn't happy and knew there wasn't any thing that he could do, didn't slow the class down as they had 4 ropes. Another semester I climbed up rope thought hat this not to hard to rid of so I don't have to climb it again but brain kicked in and said how are you going to get down... DAH! I am not a jock sports require a engine between your legs or behind you. NASCAR is over rated as the engine is in front of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Kuhl" > > I never had to do anything like that, though when I was in elementary > school (9+ years ago) they still had the ropes up, and I was always > disappointed we never got to climb them. But then I also climbed > everything in sight when I was a kid (and still do it, but safely now). > But I don't think the school ever owned an ounce of safety equipment. > > Nick Kuhl > Boston University > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <621d2eb00510161907n5278c55apb29d3569d014a525 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:07:39 -0700 From: Joseph Champelli Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com (Bill Conner) Subject: Re: Standards In-Reply-To: References: I can only help with the first on your list: =20 http://www.dthg.de/praxis/infothek/arbeitssicherheit/bg/bgv_c1_engl.pdf I've got the .pdf saved somewhere if you can't access the site. Joe On 10/14/05, Bill Conner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm looking for English language versions of the following: > > BGV C 1 (formerly VBG 70) - Accident-Prevention regulation for staging an= d > production facilities for entertainment industry > DIN V 19250 (1994) - Control Technology: Fundamental Safety Aspects... > DIN VDE 0801 (1994) - Principles for computers in safety-related systems > DIN 56925 (1997) - Theatre engineering: Stage machinery - Point hoist - > Safety requirements and testing > DIN 56921-11 (1997) - Theatre engineering: Stage machinery - Batten hoist= - > Safety requirements and testing > DIN 56940 (2001) - Theatre engineering: Stage machinery - Stage Elevators= - > Safety requirements and testing > > Any help or direction on or off line would be appreciated. > > Bill Conner > > > -- Joseph Champelli University of Tennessee FTSI ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:31:00 -0500 From: Mark Harvey Subject: Truss Spots Message-ID: <2147483647.1129505460 [at] mharvey.d.umn.edu> In-Reply-To: References: I'm interested in the opinions of anyone who has worked with truss spots, particularly the Strong Truss Trouper and the Lycian Midget HP. Any side by side comparisons? Other makes or models that should be considered? Thanks for the input. ____________________________________ Mark Harvey Associate Professor, Theatrical Lighting and Sound Design University of Minnesota Duluth http://www.d.umn.edu/~mharvey ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #552 *****************************