Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 25120780; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:01:23 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #553 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:00:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.6 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, TW_VN autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #553 1. Re: preferred swaging tool by Brian Munroe 2. Re: preferred swaging tool by Bill Sapsis 3. Re: preferred swaging tool by Delbert Hall 4. Re: ah, the falling leaves... by "Paul Guncheon" 5. Re: Flame testing by Barney Simon 6. Flame Testing by b Ricie 7. Re: An odd question... by "G. D. George" 8. ETC dimmer question by Jeffrey Ferrell 9. Re: preferred swaging tool by doran [at] bard.edu 10. Re: ETC dimmer question by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net 11. HDTV by Barney Simon 12. Re: HDTV by Jerry Durand 13. Re: HDTV by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 14. Re: HDTV by "Jon Ares" 15. Re: HDTV by Dorian Kelly 16. Re: HDTV by MissWisc [at] aol.com 17. Re: HDTV by "Jon Ares" 18. Pipe and Tubing Bender by "Michael Wade" 19. Strand Offline by "Diana Kesselschmidt" 20. Re: Strand Offline by Stephen Litterst 21. Re: Pipe and Tubing Bender by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 22. Re: Strand Offline by "Tony Deeming" 23. Re: An odd question... by Anna 24. HDTV by "Donald Robert Fox" 25. Re: Strand Offline by "Douglas P. McCracken" 26. Re: HDTV by Barney Simon 27. Re: HDTV by Phil Johnson 28. Re: HDTV by Kevin Lee Allen 29. Re: ETC dimmer question by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 30. N. California Bay Area WPA (pyro) BBQ by Jerry Durand 31. Re: Strand Offline by "Tony Deeming" 32. Re: Pipe and Tubing Bender by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 33. Re: HDTV by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 34. Re: HDTV by Jerry Durand 35. Re: HDTV by "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" 36. Re: Strand Offline by "John Gibilisco" 37. Looking for a PA/DE based company by Norman Lazarus 38. Re: Looking for a PA/DE based company by Stephen Litterst 39. Re: ah, the falling leaves... by "Tom Heemskerk" 40. Re: An odd question... by Nicholas Kuhl *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:13:15 -0400 From: Brian Munroe Subject: Re: preferred swaging tool In-Reply-To: References:

On 10/15/05, Bill Sapsis wrote: > The real care here is to make sure > the tool, sleeves and go/no-go gauge all come from the same manufacturer. > And in the case of the National Telephone and Telegraph Co (makes of > Nicopress) you have to make sure you have the right gauge for the swaging > tool you are using. They make a number of different ones and it can be > confusing. Failure to use matching equipment may lead to sleeve failure. How do you know who manufactured the sleeves that you have? Most vendors don't list the brand. It also sounds like most people don't actually match the sleeve to the tool= . I have loos tools (care of Uncle Bill), but frequently don't know who made the sleeves (ordered thru scene shops usually). What is the real danger here? Thanks, Brian Munroe bpmunroe [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:30:15 -0400 Subject: Re: preferred swaging tool From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Check your vendor. If they don't know, change vendors. The real danger is that there is a possibility, not a large one, but a possibility nonetheless, that you will get an inaccurate reading when you use the go/no-go gauge. And that could lead to sleeve failure. That would be bad. Zat help? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 10/17/05 7:13 AM, "Brian Munroe" wrote: > How do you know who manufactured the sleeves that you have? Most > vendors don't list the brand. > > It also sounds like most people don't actually match the sleeve to the tool. > > I have loos tools (care of Uncle Bill), but frequently don't know who > made the sleeves (ordered thru scene shops usually). What is the real > danger here? ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:41:28 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: preferred swaging tool In-Reply-To: References:

On 10/17/05, Brian Munroe wrote: > How do you know who manufactured the sleeves that you have? Most > vendors don't list the brand. > > It also sounds like most people don't actually match the sleeve to the to= ol. > > I have loos tools (care of Uncle Bill), but frequently don't know who > made the sleeves (ordered thru scene shops usually). What is the real > danger here? > > Thanks, > Brian Munroe > bpmunroe [at] gmail.com > > I get Nicopress brand sleeves from McMaster-Carr. They come in Nicropress boxes and Nicopress puts their name is on every oval sleeve, so I know I am getting the sleeve that is made for my tools.=20 I do not know how Loos labels their sleeves. I use a Nicopress tools and sleeves, and check them with a Nicropress guage. I know that Nicopress and Loos guages are slightly different sizes, so use the correct guage. I think you run a greater risk of problems if you use off-brand sleeves, although I have no data to this statement. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX - Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 02:44:09 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: ah, the falling leaves... Message-id: <000a01c5d318$78711580$1e8aea48 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: <> Ah, well... this will never do. Where's your lust for life? Living on the edge? And it probably took less than a couple hours to rig and you spent less than around 4 bucks to boot. What is this world coming to? Wait... that's a Mom question. Laters, Paul "I have a tryst tonight with a mermaid", said Tom sedately. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43539D29.3000401 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:46:33 -0400 From: Barney Simon Reply-To: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co., Inc Subject: Re: Flame testing References:

In-Reply-To: Alf Sauve wrote: > Most all drape manufactures include some test strips with each curtain. Speaking unofficially but based upon my 16 years with Rose Brand, this was never a standard practice. I've owned JC Hansen for three years, so I cannot speak to their current practices, nor have I ever visited their California facility. Just to cause trouble: my thought, should I be the suspicious type fire inspector, is that who ever treated the curtain, probably super treated the sample... if they treated the curtain at all. -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes Drops and Dance Floors 423 West 43rd Street, NYC 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051017132003.1439.qmail [at] web50606.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 06:20:03 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: Flame Testing In-Reply-To: As I understand the only a qualified company can flame treat your goods, and the certificate stating their work will count as the test. These company's tend to be insured and expensive. You can treat you good yourself, however you will still have to pass the Field test if you want your goods to go in the air. I had to have a show pass a burn test before we could load into the Kodak. The method of testing was to snip a small portion of the goods(pipe pocket or other inconspicuous spot) and put a match to it for "X" amount of seconds. The goods were allowed to burn, but had to self extinguish in a certain amount of time. All burning happened in a safe spot. Again, the only way to avoid the field test was to have the goods re-treated by a professional company and provide a new certificate stating so. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: An odd question... Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:27:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We had it in high school. I think there's one or two over in the field house here. No safety gear that I know of. OTOH, never heard of anyone actually falling. I did see the most amazing set of friction burned hands once though. A fellow in the same platoon wasn't paying attention when they told him how to climb down. You know? I never made it up the #$$&%#) [at] rope. Not once. Not even in boot camp. (And didn't the DIs have something to say about that!) *&$ [at] *&($% rope! -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Occy Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:15 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: An odd question... For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- When I was in high school back in the early 70's. It was a requirement that you climb the rope each semester of P.E. The big blank jocks could never figure out how I could climb to the top when they could never get there in the time allotted, one semester I climbed up and hung on for 10 mins teacher wasn't happy and knew there wasn't any thing that he could do, didn't slow the class down as they had 4 ropes. Another semester I climbed up rope thought hat this not to hard to rid of so I don't have to climb it again but brain kicked in and said how are you going to get down... DAH! I am not a jock sports require a engine between your legs or behind you. NASCAR is over rated as the engine is in front of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicholas Kuhl" > > I never had to do anything like that, though when I was in elementary > school (9+ years ago) they still had the ropes up, and I was always > disappointed we never got to climb them. But then I also climbed > everything in sight when I was a kid (and still do it, but safely now). > But I don't think the school ever owned an ounce of safety equipment. > > Nick Kuhl > Boston University > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4353AA52.8070306 [at] midmaine.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:42:42 -0400 From: Jeffrey Ferrell Subject: ETC dimmer question How do to the collective wisdom of the list, OK, I finally observed a problem at one of the theaters in which I work, that had only been reported to me 3rd hand previously. If the board is left idle for an extended period of time (we're talking 10's of minutes, not hours/days), with nothing up, when you bring up a channel (or any combination of channels), they respond normally for a couple seconds, then go dark for several seconds, and then restore to what you've brought up. The current dimmer configuration is an ETC 24 pack (SP-2420), running to a ETC 12 pack to an NSI 8 pack. Control is an ETC Express 48/96. The system is less than 2 years old. (excluding the NSI pack, which is crusty and old) I suspect it is a dimmer issue, not a control issue, because when it happened to me last night, I did have a constant load going on the NSI pack, while the ETC packs were idle, and when the issue occured, the channels that were being run off the NSI pack were unaffected. Is there some sort of a sleep mode on the ETC packs??? I don't recall this happening when I first took this system out of the box (or on any other snesor packs I have worked with). Any thoughts would be appreciated. (ok... perhaps not quite ANY thoughts) :) Thanks, Jeff Ferrell Middle-of- nowhere, Maine ------------------------------ Message-ID: <1129557122.4353ac82eee15 [at] webmail.bard.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:52:02 -0400 From: doran [at] bard.edu Subject: Re: preferred swaging tool References:

In-Reply-To: Brian, As I understand it, the manufacturers engineer the tools and the fittings to fit eachother. So, your Loos fitting might be slightly smaller or larger than than your ATT fittings, and the tools for that company will not swage the fitting properly. If not swaged correctly, the data on loads and ratings are out the window. This could, as you say lead to sleeve failure. I hope this helps, Andy Champ-Doran Technical Director Bard College Dance and Theater Quoting Brian Munroe : > It also sounds like most people don't actually match the sleeve to the tool. > > I have loos tools (care of Uncle Bill), but frequently don't know who > made the sleeves (ordered thru scene shops usually). What is the real > danger here? > > Thanks, > Brian Munroe > bpmunroe [at] gmail.com > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <33054232.1129557446395.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:57:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net Subject: Re: ETC dimmer question Jeff.... I'm sure when they all wake up in WI you'll get some response from the ETC folks--it's still early out there.... It sounds like an air-flow problem. When the racks sit idle for X-time, the fans stop. When you turn something on, the fans spin up to full speed. If the airflow sensor is clogged with dust/haze fluid/crap, etc it doesn't sense the airflow from the fans until they reach full speed. The airflow sensor IIRC, is on the MPE/CEM. I think it's on the right side--it's a little hole with a silver thing inside. You can use a can of compressed air (with the rack off/the card out) to GENTLY blow out that section. If this really is the problem, I'd suggest it's time for a more complete cleaning of the rack. HTH --Sean Sean R. McCarthy seanrmc [at] earthlink.net -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Ferrell Sent: Oct 17, 2005 9:42 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: ETC dimmer question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- How do to the collective wisdom of the list, OK, I finally observed a problem at one of the theaters in which I work, that had only been reported to me 3rd hand previously. If the board is left idle for an extended period of time (we're talking 10's of minutes, not hours/days), with nothing up, when you bring up a channel (or any combination of channels), they respond normally for a couple seconds, then go dark for several seconds, and then restore to what you've brought up. The current dimmer configuration is an ETC 24 pack (SP-2420), running to a ETC 12 pack to an NSI 8 pack. Control is an ETC Express 48/96. The system is less than 2 years old. (excluding the NSI pack, which is crusty and old) I suspect it is a dimmer issue, not a control issue, because when it happened to me last night, I did have a constant load going on the NSI pack, while the ETC packs were idle, and when the issue occured, the channels that were being run off the NSI pack were unaffected. Is there some sort of a sleep mode on the ETC packs??? I don't recall this happening when I first took this system out of the box (or on any other snesor packs I have worked with). Any thoughts would be appreciated. (ok... perhaps not quite ANY thoughts) :) Thanks, Jeff Ferrell Middle-of- nowhere, Maine ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4353BE58.7030301 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:08:08 -0400 From: Barney Simon Reply-To: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co., Inc Subject: HDTV References:

In-Reply-To: One of my clients has told me that we need to start being more careful of the rental soft goods we send them when they go HDTV in about a month. The example he uses is that when the new cameras shoot up Broadway, all the signs and everything will be crystal clear and all [drapery] imperfections will show. I remember going through something similar to this with some of the dot-coms. I had one client who complained that he could read the nap of the commando cloth that was 10 feet behind the talent in a limbo shot. Does nobody understand/use depth-of-field anymore? But in a less rhetorical question: Does anyone have any experience with this and how much trouble will my cotton velours be in? -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes Drops and Dance Floors 423 West 43rd Street, NYC 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <414313A0-C5B4-4D12-9C19-B144B29159FD [at] interstellar.com> From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: HDTV Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:24:24 -0700 On Oct 17, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Barney Simon wrote: > One of my clients has told me that we need to start being more > careful of the rental soft goods we send them when they go HDTV in > about a month. The example he uses is that when the new cameras > shoot up Broadway, all the signs and everything will be crystal > clear and all [drapery] imperfections will show. > The picture is also a LOT wider than people have been used to. Make sure they get enough drapes for the width, edges of sets have crept into HDTV shots. Of course, I think only a few percent of the US actually HAS HDTV reception*, so that may not matter much. :( ... In polls, people say they have HDTV but when their setup is checked, they may have a widescreen TV and may even have DTV, but no "H". ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Subject: RE: HDTV Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:34:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c5d330$37793b30$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Does nobody understand/use depth-of-field anymore? In a word, no. There's a woeful lack of technique becoming prevalent in many art forms. In the case of your HDTV client, however, he has a point; the selling point of HDTV, especially now, in its infancy, is meticulous detail. If he's going to deliberately blur part of the image, why should I spend $3000 on a TV with which to view it? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001701c5d330$45f6cba0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" Cc: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com References:

Subject: Re: HDTV Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:34:33 -0700 > Does nobody understand/use depth-of-field anymore? Can't/won't comment on the condition of your goods, but regarding depth-of-field - when it comes to HD cameras, d-o-f compared to film, or even non-HD cams is a whole 'nother ball of cheese. It has to do with the size of the imager in relation to the lens, focal length, etc - HD cameras have much more d-o-f, especially using the same lenses that would have been on a non-HD camera or film camera. (Even if they shoot from a long distance with a really long lens and wide aperture, what *is* in focus is going to have considerably more detail, plus the 'circle of confusion' is larger, due to the size of the imager in relation to the lens.) It's just a whole new way of working, shooting, lighting, designing, painting, doing makeup, etc, and it will take time to shake out. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:04:19 +0100 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: HDTV >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > > >On Oct 17, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Barney Simon wrote: > >>One of my clients has told me that we need to start being more >>careful of the rental soft goods we send them when they go HDTV in >>about a month. The example he uses is that when the new cameras >>shoot up Broadway, all the signs and everything will be crystal >>clear and all [drapery] imperfections will show. >> This is a precise analogue of the problems that the theatre had in the 1880s when electric lighting was used in the theatre for the first time. Gas lighting put a lot of natural haze - water vapour - into the air, showing up the limelight beams and throwing most of the set, the costumes the makeup into a wonderful soft focus. When the harshness of the incandescent lamp came it showed everything up in all its trashy glory. Everything had to be rethought. No more painted doorknobs, no more dry- as -dust old velour cloaks, no more bits of cheap tinsel on the cardboard crowns, and above all, the white lead and black mascara makeup which made Ellen Terry look so glamourous. It all had had to be discarded in favour of Mr Leichener's subtle five and nine. So did the huge gestures and the extravagant poses which now looked faintly ridiculous. The ramifications were far-reaching. The entire canon of theatre drama was slowly changed over the next few years to reflect these new realities, with the new dramatists writing a much harsher, more realistic literature. This is what kick started Ibsen, Chekov, Shaw and hundred of others to show the world as it was rather than - literally - through a rose tinted haze. I dont however think that HDTV will quite have the same effect - but I do hope it will reawaken some of those little-seen skills of depth of field, decent lighting and the use of contrast which may be necessary to prevent too much of the modern equivalent of "trashy glory". On the other hand I love highly-lit deep-focus cinephotography and look forward to seeing some significant examples of it! Dorian ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1a2.3e7f6ed3.308528e2 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:18:42 EDT Subject: RE: HDTV So from a makeup point of view, I'm need to treat HDTV talent just like magazine talent? (Close up-able at all times?) Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002501c5d337$c60426b0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: HDTV Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:28:14 -0700 > So from a makeup point of view, I'm need to treat HDTV talent just like > magazine talent? (Close up-able at all times?) > Yup. Oh my, the ruckus that was raised by local TV news 'talent' a few years ago when this was revealed.... No joke: some even had their agents put in their contracts that the anchor has final say on lens choice, and the station must swap out lenses each night they're on camera. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:31:45 -0400 Subject: Pipe and Tubing Bender Cc: mike [at] focusnote.com Reply-To: mike [at] focusnote.com References: From: "Michael Wade" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hello list. A few years back I was involved with making a light gauge pipe/tubing bender, I believe from a USITT exhibit bulletin. I thought I had copied the plans, but my filing system is not as good as I had hoped. Does anyone have a set of plans for this unit? I am not opposed to trying to find a commercially made unit if anyone has a line on a manufacturer. I have looked (briefly) and found a number of units that do very small gauge tube/rod. I am looking to bend 1-1/2" #40 and 1-1/2" sq tube. Thanks for the help! Mike Wade mike [at] focusnote.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <55265.24.191.74.7.1129568110.squirrel [at] webmail.logicworks.net> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Strand Offline From: "Diana Kesselschmidt" Reply-To: dk [at] dianak.com Does Strand have any offline software at all? I know I should be able to find it at their site but I didn't see what I was looking for. I'm looking to get 300 series software for my Mac, or if I really have to, for my Virtual PC. Diana -- Diana Kesselschmidt 516-643-3185 DianaK.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:33:55 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Strand Offline In-reply-to: Message-id: <4353E083.7030405 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Diana Kesselschmidt wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Does Strand have any offline software at all? I know I should be able to > find it at their site but I didn't see what I was looking for. I'm > looking to get 300 series software for my Mac, or if I really have to, for > my Virtual PC. Strand has a DOS based offline editor. They may have pulled it from the website since I don't see it listed in the software archive. If you go to the Strand website, look in the "Manuals" section for a document by Rob Halliday entitled "Using Apple Mac Computers with Strand 300 and 500 consoles." In there he details the specific software you'll need to install the offline editor on Virtual PC. Hope that helps, Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:37:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Pipe and Tubing Bender From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mike, I do not have the plans for the bender you describe though I have used several versions of benders. The most effective shop-built versions were very simple roller benders made out of some scrap steel and three steel caster wheels. Flat wheels for square stock and V-groove for round. I've also been quite impressed with the results that could be achieved using the nearest heavy thing I could slide the material under, vehicles, forklifts, dumpsters, buildings, be creative but be careful not to break things. If I were to spend money I'd scrimp and save then visit Hossfeld. www.hossfeldbender.com/ That being said, before I bought a new one I'd keep my eye out for a used one. Try your local industrial surplus, ebay, machinery auctions and the like. I like the Hossfeld, they're super tough and can do practically anything. I am sure your mileage will definitely vary. -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Cc: dk [at] dianak.com Subject: RE: Strand Offline Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:37:53 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Yes, there is an OLE - I have a copy somewhere. However, you're right that it seems not to be on their web site at the moment - might be worth contacting them for a copy. I don't think it'll run on a Mac, though - and IIRC it doesn't like Win 2K or XP - prefers to run on proper DOS. TD > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Diana > Kesselschmidt > Sent: 17 October 2005 17:55 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Strand Offline > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Does Strand have any offline software at all? I know I should be able to > find it at their site but I didn't see what I was looking for. I'm > looking to get 300 series software for my Mac, or if I really have to, for > my Virtual PC. > > Diana > -- > Diana Kesselschmidt > 516-643-3185 > DianaK.com > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051017175143.12145.qmail [at] web50107.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:51:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Anna Subject: Re: An odd question... In-Reply-To: As an item of interest, in Russian schools during the Soviet Union reign we had to pass an equivalent of the Presidential Challenge in gym every year, only we had cross-country skiing and air-rifle shooting norms added in. This was called Young Pioneer training (or something to that extent) and prepared the good citizens for the evntuality of war. We also trained with gas masks and received First Aid instruction... These requirements were in place long before the Kennedy administration:) Anna --- MissWisc [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com writes: > < they be wearing fall restraint equipment? I never saw any when I was a kid.>> > > YEP! > > By that same logic, kids who high jump, pole vault, gymnastic vault, > parallel bars, still rings, trampoline, and the like should also have fall arrest > equipment. > > They get away with it because they supposedly have soft surfaces > (mats/padding) for the kids to land on, unlike the guy working up on a scaffold who > will > fall onto the ground or materials below. > > My son's school has a huge cargo net that hangs from the ceiling - slightly > safer than the rope in that they are taught to only move one point at a time > (2 feet + 2 hands = 4 points) and they don't to a timed "race", it's more of a > coordination and overcoming fear of heights challenge. They do have mats on > the floor also. > > BTW - the Presidential Award has never included rope climbing. It's: > curl ups > flexed arm hang (girls) push ups or pull ups (boys) > one mile endurance run (shorter for younger kids) > shuttle run (30 feet dropping erasers or similar items from one place to > the other) > and > V-sit or "sit and reach" to demonstrate flexibility. > _http://www.presidentschallenge.org/educators/program_details/physical_fitness > /events.aspx_ > (http://www.presidentschallenge.org/educators/program_details/physical_fitness/events.aspx) > > > Kristi > > > Anna Labykina TD, Salem State College 978.542.7201 office 617.388.5656 mobile __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Donald Robert Fox" Cc: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Subject: HDTV Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:54:57 +0000

I have some experience with the HDTV situation that you are experiencing. I did a shoot where we used Sony HD cameras and we found that it very unforgiving. It will make evident a lot of blemishes within the scenic environment. The advantage is how crisp teh details are and the ability to very saturated colors if you wish, but if your soft-goods are showing where and tear and such that will be apparent also. You might try and contact Cory Carbornara at Baylor University in the Telecomunications Department. They are doing quite a bit work with HD cameras. Hope all goes well for you.

Donald Robert Fox, M.F.A.

USA-AEA-IALD

Asst. Professor of Design

University of the Incarnate Word

Dept. of Theatre Arts

------------------------------ From: "Douglas P. McCracken" Subject: RE: Strand Offline Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:26:23 -1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I was able to get the OLE running on an XP Home machine through DOSBox Aloha, Douglas ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4353E8B9.9020703 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:08:57 -0400 From: Barney Simon Reply-To: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co., Inc Subject: Re: HDTV References: In-Reply-To: Donald Robert Fox wrote: > if your soft-goods are showing where and tear I'm worried more about folds and wrinkles.... then they steam it and the FR salts start to show.... -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes Drops and Dance Floors 423 West 43rd Street, NYC 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <03c1262cf20bff856d6a74df7f166b58 [at] mail.tamucc.edu> From: Phil Johnson Subject: Re: HDTV Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:37:00 -0500 I shot a kids tv show last november with our HD cameras at the PBS station here in Corpus. It was all spandex over wood frames. Some very interesting shapes. We had to buy a new blue drape for the background as the off white ( and very old) scrim was not going to work at all. We learned the condition and age of the drapes will be unforgiving in HD. They use the set and the blue drapes for most of the things they do. The best example I have of hd was watching nascar at a friends house. We watched the broadcast on local NTSC signal and then switched to HD on cable . You could see the actual reflections of the track lights and shiny quality of the cars. It was all lost on broadcast. You are best advised to do an HD test on your goods and scenery before you get to production situations or you crap will be revealed and will be left with egg on your face. If you don't have an HD set up the best way to test would be close ups with very good photographic equipment. It will give you the level of detail you need. Phil Johnson Designer/TD Texas A & M -Corpus Christi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:48:23 -0400 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: HDTV In-reply-to: Message-id: References:

Many of the previous answers were dead on, especially with regard to =20 depth of field an focus. The additional truth is that generally when =20 a 'video guy' shoots HD, they are looking for that absolute clarity. =20 the 'video guy' is using the technology to achieve what they couldn't =20= with plain-old, plain-old video. When a 'film guy' shoots HD, they tend to try for more depth of field =20= and contrast. In general, a 'film guy' using HD is trying to get the =20 look of film, with the more instant (and cheaper) technology. Someone said it will take awhile to shake out, the first step will be =20= to acknowledge and accept that this is a different medium and needs =20 to be explored as such. In the meantime and probably forever, the general level of stagecraft =20= has to increase for this medium. Older drapes will not cut it, =20 lighting has to be more precise and carpentry more to the level of =20 cabinetry. I know that none of this specifically answers Barney's question. I =20 think only trial and error and experimentation will accurately answer =20= the question. And then the answer will change with the client. On Oct 17, 2005, at 11:08 AM, Barney Simon wrote: > One of my clients has told me that we need to start being more =20 > careful of the rental soft goods we send them when they go HDTV in =20 > about a month. The example he uses is that when the new cameras =20 > shoot up Broadway, all the signs and everything will be crystal =20 > clear and all [drapery] imperfections will show. > > I remember going through something similar to this with some of the =20= > dot-coms. I had one client who complained that he could read the =20 > nap of the commando cloth that was 10 feet behind the talent in a =20 > limbo shot. Does nobody understand/use depth-of-field anymore? > But in a less rhetorical question: Does anyone have any experience =20= > with this and how much trouble will my cotton velours be in? > ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:16:17 -0500 Subject: Re: ETC dimmer question From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Jeff, I like Sean's airflow suggestion. I am unaware of any sleep mode. I do know that the fans on the ETC 2420 racks will go off after a time if all dimmers are at zero. That being said I have never encountered the phenomenon you describe when you do finally give it some work to do. My initial thought would be to isolate each set of dimmers and see if the problem persists. Your description does not indicate a termination. IIRC the ETC racks should have termination switches on them. Move the NSI pack to first or second in line so that you have a solid termination. Another thought is to move the NSI pack to the second universe off the console and/or put an isolated DMX splitter into the system. Third and final thought: Had a situation where the dimmers where doing funny stuff and through a whole bunch of dinkin around figured out that my 48/96 was talking to fast for the old, non-ETC dimmers. The solution was to slow down the refresh rate on the console. Hope that helps. -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051017142336.04af9fb0 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:24:45 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: N. California Bay Area WPA (pyro) BBQ We've just confirmed that we're having the WPA N. California Bay Area BBQ here at our house. It was originally scheduled for Benicia, but has been moved Sunday, October 23rd, 2pm We'll have a charcoal BBQ and some soda (diet) and chips here, bring something to share. It will be in the back yard, turn left at the front door of the house and go around to the back. Don't fall in the koi pond. [NO live pyro material allowed.] -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Strand Offline Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:37:07 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Interesting - I couldn't get it working on Win 2K, and heard the same was true of XP, but haven't tried it - may do so in that case...! Thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Douglas > P. McCracken > Sent: 17 October 2005 19:26 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Strand Offline > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I was able to get the OLE running on an XP Home machine through DOSBox > > Aloha, > > Douglas > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:47:50 EDT Subject: Re: Pipe and Tubing Bender In a message dated 17/10/05 18:39:27 GMT Daylight Time, clmortimore [at] bsu.edu writes: > I've also been quite impressed with the results that could be achieved using > the nearest heavy thing I could slide the material under, vehicles, > forklifts, dumpsters, buildings, be creative but be careful not to break > things. You need to be careful not to kink tubes when you are using this technique. This takes away a lot of their strength. It can work, though. I once inadvertently put a 30 degree bend in a 10' length of steel scaffold tube; 2"OD with 1'4"wall. I was trying to lift a PortaKabin back onto its proper jacks, before moving it. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <207.bd27325.30857e7b [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:23:55 EDT Subject: Re: HDTV In a message dated 17/10/05 19:51:13 GMT Daylight Time, klad [at] klad.com writes: > When a 'film guy' shoots HD, they tend to try for more depth of field > and contrast. In general, a 'film guy' using HD is trying to get the > look of film, with the more instant (and cheaper) technology. There is a lot of controversy about the 'film look'. I've been in the TV film (and I mean stuff with sprocket holes) business for forty years. The two media are very different. The first thing is contrast. Straight film will accept a higher contrast ratio than will most TV systems, and the definition is as good as the film, lighting, and lenses you use. The price you pay for really high definition is very slow film, a correspondingly high lighting level, with all the problems that that brings in its train, and very good lenses. The lens problem is still there. Lenses designed for TV are different. In audio terms, they need as flat a passband as possible up to the system limits, usually about 6MHz as as spatial frequency. After that, they can die like a stone. Film camera lenses don't do this. Their passbands are less flat, but extend a lot further into the higher spatial frequencies. Better definition, within limits. Film and TV camera 'speeds' have improved out of all recognition, as has film grain. The standard level for the lighting in a TV studio used to be 200 ft-candles, with huge power consumptions. I've seen demonstrations of HDTV by Sony, some years ago, and they were toimpressive. As I was manning a stand at the show, I didn't have time properly to look at them, and I don't know the parameters. But, with any TV transmission system, you have to look at the line rate, the field rate, and the system bandwidth. Those define technical limits. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051017153015.04af6db8 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:34:43 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: HDTV In-Reply-To: References: At 03:23 PM 10/17/2005, you wrote: >The lens problem is still there. Lenses designed for TV are different. It's even worse, one of the industry magazines I get (it was either SMPTE or HDTV) had an article about lens problems. It seems that ALL HDTV lenses have problems, and different brands have different problems. So....make sure you have all the same brand lenses on a shoot! There's also an article about trying to match colors from film to an artist's computer monitor (for animation, touch-up) and the final TV/theater screen. I know when we were over at Pixar they mentioned they render the images differently for the DVD and film versions (so you will never get the "real" theatrical release on DVD). -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: "Jim at TheatreWireless.com" Subject: RE: HDTV Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:52:27 -0400 Message-ID: <011c01c5d375$d4792270$6400a8c0 [at] p3m866> In-Reply-To: All of this reminds me of when stereo (and quadrophonic) audio recordings were first introduced. Instruments panned to extremes. Recording techniques to emphasize the recording capabilities more than the music or even listening pleasure. HDTV has to start off with everything over emphasized. Then we will tire of everything being endlessly bright and sharp. When the dynamic range returns, so that we notice the sharpness and depth when it really matters to the message, and the absence of these characteristics in some scenes strengthen other more surreal scenes, then HDTV will be outstanding. Jim www.theatrewireless.com P.S. Of course, Springer (or equivalent) will be in HDTV. Yikes. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00ba01c5d376$be2aba00$6400a8c0 [at] om.cox.net> From: "John Gibilisco" Cc: dk [at] dianak.com References:

Subject: Re: Strand Offline Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:58:59 -0500 > Does Strand have any offline software at all? Yes, I believe you need to load the same version OS software that you currently have running on the console. If you do not have a copy you can download the current version from the website. There is also an archive of the older versions. If you are not running 2.8.6 (C3) I would recomomend upgrading. > I'm > looking to get 300 series software for my Mac, or if I really have to, for > my Virtual PC. Not sure this will work. I know many have succsefully used thier Mac's as a networked remote (X Connect) but that is no help as an offline editor. You should contact Bobby Harrell with this question. bobby.harrell [at] strandlighting.com Good Luck. John Gibilisco ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051018000853.79084.qmail [at] web51712.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Norman Lazarus Subject: Looking for a PA/DE based company In-Reply-To: I'm hoping the folks on the list can provide me with some guidance. I'm trying to identify companies in the greater Pennsylvania/Deleware area that handle staging, lighting, AV, rigging, special events, or anything else of that nature. So I can start sending out resumes, I have a sales and management background, with production experience. I'm not asking anyone to give me their inside contacts, just the names of companies. I've been living in the Philadelphia area for the past two years and Sapsis Rigging is the only area company I know of. You can contact me offline to save bandwidth. Thanks, Norman Lazarus __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:04:25 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Looking for a PA/DE based company In-reply-to: Message-id: <43544A19.6050004 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Norman Lazarus wrote: > I'm trying to identify companies in the greater > Pennsylvania/Deleware area that handle staging, > lighting, AV, rigging, special events, or anything > else of that nature. So I can start sending out > resumes, I have a sales and management background, > with production experience. I'm not asking anyone to > give me their inside contacts, just the names of > companies. Main Light in Wilmington, Delaware. All aspects of production I believe. Brandywine Electronics (BEL) also in Wilmington, DE. Sound and video. (I haven't kept current on them, I hope they're still around) Steve Litterst -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <54673.204.244.226.18.1129606809.squirrel [at] 204.244.226.18> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: ah, the falling leaves... From: "Tom Heemskerk" > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > < Success rate is 100%.>> > > Ah, well... this will never do. Where's your lust for life? Living on the > edge? > Pshaw. I like low-tech solutions when they work better, like the Star Trek doors. In the same show we also had a really cool drop that travelled, then swagged, and then dropped Kabuki-style. Plus three snow cradles. No electrons or hamsters were hurt in the execution of those, either! tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 01:14:03 -0400 From: Nicholas Kuhl Subject: Re: An odd question... In-reply-to: Message-id: <4354849B.6060301 [at] bu.edu> References: Sometimes I think I missed out growing up in this country and not during the Cold War (not really serious). It's also fun to compare stories from both sides of the Iron Curtain (my mom grew up here, and my dad grew up in Communist Poland). Nick Kuhl Boston University Anna wrote: >As an item of interest, in Russian schools during the Soviet Union reign we had to pass >an equivalent of the Presidential Challenge in gym every year, only we had cross-country >skiing and air-rifle shooting norms added in. This was called Young Pioneer training (or >something to that extent) and prepared the good citizens for the evntuality of war. We >also trained with gas masks and received First Aid instruction... These requirements >were in place long before the Kennedy administration:) > > ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #553 *****************************