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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #554

 1. Re: Strand Offline
    by Andrew Vance <atvanceld [at] gmail.com>
 2. Somewhat off topic perhaps
    by "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>
 3. HDTV, makeup and talent
    by "David R. Krajec" <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
 4. Re: Somewhat off topic perhaps
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
 5. Re: Somewhat off topic perhaps
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
 6. Re: Somewhat off topic perhaps
    by "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>
 7. Re: Somewhat off topic perhaps
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
 8. Re: HDTV
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
 9. ETC dimmer question
    by Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
10. Re: ETC dimmer question
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
11. Re: Strand Offline
    by "Aaron W. Braun" <ABraun [at] ArdeeDesign.com>
12. Re: ETC dimmer question
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
13. Re: HDTV, makeup and talent
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
14. Re: hey Merel
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
15. Re: ETC dimmer question
    by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
16. Re: Flame testing
    by David d'Anjou <ddanjou [at] gmail.com>
17. Morpheus Color Faders
    by "David Paul Stock" <Dave [at] davidpauldesigns.com>
18. Re: Morpheus Color Faders
    by "Chris Warner" <bearz2 [at] cox.net>

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From: Andrew Vance <atvanceld [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Strand Offline
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:18:39 -0500

On 17 Oct, 2005, at 18:58, John Gibilisco wrote:

>> Does Strand have any offline software at all?
> Yes, I believe you need to load the same version OS software that you
> currently have running on the console.

John is correct here.  I highly recommend running the OLE in true DOS  
mode; I've had problems when I run it through Windows even if it  
reverts to DOS.  I just restart the computer in DOS mode, run the  
OLE, and it works fine.  I don't have XP on my office PC, but I know  
I can't get it to run on the Win2K box but I can on my Win98 box.

> Not sure this will work. I know many have succsefully used thier  
> Mac's as a
> networked remote (X Connect) but that is no help as an offline editor.

I've never tried running any OLE on my Mac because I don't own  
Virtual PC.  One of our recent tour lighting people tried running  
Stand's OLE via Virtual PC but had limited success, even following  
the instructions Strand gives you.  I think she was able to run and  
edit on the OLE, but any disks that were made couldn't be read by a  
console.  I have an ancient PC laptop in my office that's useless for  
just about everything else that I use for all my Stand and Obsession  
OLE needs.

> You should contact Bobby Harrell with this question.

A very nice and knowledgeable man, and wise advice by Mr. Gibilisco.

--
Sincerely,

Andrew Vance
atvanceld [at] gmail.com




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Subject: Somewhat off topic perhaps
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:29:15 -0400
Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA3001DA [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local>
From: "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>


I subscribe to an engineering-type website that was talking about this
particular item caller Aero-gel.  I read the short article with
interest, and promptly forgot all about it.  While surfing last night, I
came across Nasal's website here where they talk about the product in
detail.  Absolutely amazing stuff, and would be pretty cool to light. =20

The more I thought about it, the more intrigued I became, so I thought
I'd pass along this link...

http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/photo/aerogel.html

Abby

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Reply-To: <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
From: "David R. Krajec" <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
Subject: HDTV, makeup and talent
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:35:11 -0500
Message-ID: <FFEKLPMABANLAIDPOAKBMEBPCOAA.drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
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I heard a story (unconfirmed) that the late Peter Jennings auditioned
new,expensive cameras for his evening news.  I seems that he sat there under
the lights in front of the camera for quite awhile.  Finally, he turned to
his makeup artist and asked what she thought.  She didn't like them.

The cameras were changed.



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Subject: RE: Somewhat off topic perhaps
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:42:06 -0400
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A928A [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>

Cool stuff.  Apparently literally, cool.  With thermal qualities like
that, I could sure use it for storm windows, given the price of heating
a home in the great white north this winter. If they can figure out how
to tint it, we could have "gel" gels again.  Imagine no more complaints
about the heat from the lights?  Next best thing to a force field. OK,
where do I apply for the $2,000,000 grant so I can get 10 square feet of
this stuff to play around with?

Thanks for the link.

Tom D

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Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:29 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Somewhat off topic perhaps

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I subscribe to an engineering-type website that was talking about this
particular item caller Aero-gel.  I read the short article with
interest, and promptly forgot all about it.  While surfing last night, I
came across Nasal's website here where they talk about the product in
detail.  Absolutely amazing stuff, and would be pretty cool to light. =20

The more I thought about it, the more intrigued I became, so I thought
I'd pass along this link...

http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/photo/aerogel.html

Abby

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Message-Id: <FAF16E67-D4EA-4D8D-9C30-2B950836C819 [at] interstellar.com>
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Somewhat off topic perhaps
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 07:49:01 -0700


On Oct 18, 2005, at 7:29 AM, Abby Downing wrote:

> I subscribe to an engineering-type website that was talking about this
> particular item caller Aero-gel.  I read the short article with
> interest, and promptly forgot all about it.  While surfing last  
> night, I
> came across Nasal's website here where they talk about the product in
> detail.  Absolutely amazing stuff, and would be pretty cool to light.

The amazing thing is there's already an array of products that use  
it!  Here's one that I've recently designed into a product:

http://rocky.digikey.com/WebLib/Cooper-Bussmann/WEB%20DATA/Capacitors/ 
B%20Series%20Aerogel%20Supercapacitors.pdf


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Subject: RE: Somewhat off topic perhaps
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:07:18 -0400
Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA30DFE7 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local>
From: "Abby Downing" <aldowning [at] onlocationls.com>

Re the Jerry links...

Obviously not as new as I first thought, but simply amazing,
nonetheless. I really didn't even think about the uses for this stuff in
electronics components.  Wow.  Between carbon nano-tubes and aerogel one
day we're going to need a microscope to read our watches!

Gotta get some aerogel and play with it myself. Or perhaps go work for
NASA...maybe they need a lighting service-type person on staff?

Abby


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From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Somewhat off topic perhaps
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:27:41 -0700


On Oct 18, 2005, at 8:07 AM, Abby Downing wrote:

> Obviously not as new as I first thought, but simply amazing,
> nonetheless. I really didn't even think about the uses for this  
> stuff in
> electronics components.  Wow.  Between carbon nano-tubes and  
> aerogel one
> day we're going to need a microscope to read our watches!
>

The bad thing is the parts themselves are getting REALLY small.  Two  
years ago I designed a board with hundreds of "0201" sized resistors  
and capacitors on it (2mm x 1mm) that are difficult to see without  
magnification.  I found that my hand-soldering ability runs out at  
about 0402 parts.  :(

Last year I redesigned that board and added some "chip-scale"  
packages.  about 1.7 x 1.3mm with 5 pins on it!  http://focus.ti.com/ 
lit/ml/mpds158a/mpds158a.pdf

I just saw an advertisement for capacitors in 01005 packages (1mm x  
0.5mm), now THAT's tiny.


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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1e2.46826d9c.30867b52 [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:22:42 EDT
Subject: Re: HDTV

In a message dated 17/10/05 23:37:15 GMT Daylight Time, 
jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes:

> There's also an article about trying to match colors from film to an 
>  artist's computer monitor (for animation, touch-up) and the final 
>  TV/theater screen.  I know when we were over at Pixar they mentioned 
>  they render the images differently for the DVD and film versions (so 
>  you will never get the "real" theatrical release on DVD).

This is a real nightmare. Video is normally shot, in the studio, with a light 
source at 3,200K. But, it's displayed on a monitor at 6,500K, with phosphors 
which are really the defining parameters of the whole TV system. The dyes in 
colour film are different from those in a TV tube; and the light source is 
likely to be about 9,000K. with a big Xenon arc projector. But with a smaller one, 
they may be an ordinary tungsten-halogen at 3,200K. Getting it right for both 
is very hard.


Frank Wood

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Message-ID: <20051018170824.65598.qmail [at] web52209.mail.yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:08:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>
Subject: ETC dimmer question

> ------------------------------
> From: Jeffrey Ferrell <jeffclef [at] midmaine.com>
> Subject: ETC dimmer question
> 
> ... is left idle for an extended period of time
>(we're
> talking 10's of 
> minutes, not hours/days), with nothing up, when
> you
> bring up a channel 
> (or any combination of channels), they respond
> normally for a couple 
> seconds, then go dark for several seconds, and
> then
> restore to what 
> you've brought up. 
>
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:57:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net

> The airflow sensor IIRC, is on the MPE/CEM.  I
>  hink
> it's on the right side--it's a little hole with a
> silver thing inside.  You can use a can of
> compressed air (with the rack off/the card out) to
> GENTLY blow out that section.  If this really is
> the
> problem, I'd suggest it's time for a more complete
> cleaning of the rack.
 
If the heat sensor were the problem, I would think
you would see this problem intermittently regardless
of
the state of the cues, control signal, or
terminations.  That said, a good cleaning never hurt
anyone.

> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:16:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: ETC dimmer question
> From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
> 
> ...do. My initial thought
> would be to isolate each set of dimmers and see if
> the problem persists.
> Your description does not indicate a termination.
> IIRC the ETC racks should
> have termination switches on them. Move the NSI
> pack
> to first or second in line
 
I think the termination switches and moving the NSI
pack will solve your problem with virtually zero
cost.  Just use the term. switch on the last pack in
the line

>  Another
> thought is to move the
> NSI pack to the second universe off the console
> and/or put an isolated DMX
> splitter into the system. 
 
A good idea, but will call for some extra money
(unless you already have the parts sitting around
unused)
 
> Third and final thought:
> Had a situation where the
> dimmers where doing funny stuff and through a
> whole
> bunch of dinkin around
> figured out that my 48/96 was talking to fast for
> the old, non-ETC dimmers.
> The solution was to slow down the refresh rate on
> the console.
 
This is always a good detail to remember (we used it
in our facility for years matching ETC control to
Colortran dimmers), but since the NSI pack seems to
be unaffected in this situation, the transmission
speed
is probably not a problem for Jeff in this case.
 
Paul
> 
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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: ETC dimmer question
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:14:53 -0400
Message-ID: <000101c5d407$77fce850$6701a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-25124188 [at] prxy.net>

  
> This is always a good detail to remember (we used it
> in our facility for years matching ETC control to
> Colortran dimmers), but since the NSI pack seems to
> be unaffected in this situation, the transmission
> speed
> is probably not a problem for Jeff in this case.

I'd be interested to know if optically isolating the NSI pack solved the
problem.



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From: "Aaron W. Braun" <ABraun [at] ArdeeDesign.com>
Subject: RE: Strand Offline
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:30:22 -0500
Message-ID: <EGEMKCCELEEMDAPDPDFPIECECEAA.ABraun [at] ArdeeDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25120774 [at] prxy.net>

Diana, Strand's offline editors are the same software that you install on
the console.  Download the 300 series console software (c3, cn, and hc).
The files you download will need to be unzipped before you install them.
Please note, the console software is MS-DOS based and will NOT run in NT,
Win2k, and XP environments because they use a modified DOS.  I use VMWare
for my virtual environment on my XP machine with MS-DOS installed in it.
Virtual PC is probably similar.  Make sure that you use MS-DOS or Win98 in
VPC.

When you execute the c3instal.exe, cninstal.exe, and hcinstal.exe files in
the virtual environment, choose offline editor in the installation menu.
Because of the DOS environment, make sure that you install the files to no
more than an 8-character directory name off of the root.

Please note that Strand also has HF and HT files that can be installed to
your computer (even XP).  If you click on the html files in the installed
directory, you can browse the help system in your web browser.  There is
also a web based tutorial.  I find this helpful to people trying to learn
the console.  They can have the tutorial running on the laptop next to the
console.

If you have any more questions, feel free to email me.

Aaron Braun
Ardee Design Group, LLC
Nashville, TN

-----Original Message-----
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:55:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Strand Offline
From: "Diana Kesselschmidt" <dk [at] dianak.com>
Reply-To: dk [at] dianak.com

Does Strand have any offline software at all?  I know I should be able to
find it at their site but I didn't see what I was looking for.  I'm
looking to get 300 series software for my Mac, or if I really have to, for
my Virtual PC.



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <216.bc0f36d.3086ce4a [at] aol.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:16:42 EDT
Subject: Re: ETC dimmer question

In a message dated 18/10/05 18:10:13 GMT Daylight Time, 
paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com writes:

> If the heat sensor were the problem, I would think
>  you would see this problem intermittently regardless
>  of
>  the state of the cues, control signal, or
>  terminations.  That said, a good cleaning never hurt
>  anyone.

It just might be. I am not yet familiar with our ETC racks, since they were 
only installed last summer, and I do little work in the Playhouse, these days. 
We have three racks worth, and when I powered them up on Sunday, only the fan 
in the centre rack ran. Later, I found all three running, with no action on my 
part. It struck me as a possibility that the temperature sensors in the outer 
racks might have been set to a different temperature from that to which the 
centre rack had.

Perhaps the centre fan pulls in sufficient airflow until there is a load on, 
when the others kick in. When I get a chance, I'll look at the airflow 
arrangements, but I'm up to my ears in a show, at the moment. If, as is my custom, 
you turn on the racks at least half an hour before curtain up, there should be 
no problem.


Frank Wood

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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:06:49 GMT
Subject: Re: HDTV, makeup and talent
Message-Id: <20051018.170748.10477.21393 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com>

NEVER underestimate the power of a trusted make-up artist. 
/s/ Richard
_____________________________
I heard a story (unconfirmed) that the late Peter Jennings auditioned
new,expensive cameras for his evening news.  I seems that he sat there under the lights in front of the camera for quite awhile.  Finally, he turned to his makeup artist and asked what she thought.  She didn't like them.

The cameras were changed.





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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:36:47 -0400
Subject: Re:  hey Merel
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BF7B0D5F.40E7%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25127194 [at] prxy.net>

Pardon the bandwidth folks....

Hey Merel...Lost your email address.  Give me a shout will ya please?

Thanks
Bill
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

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Message-ID: <20319558.1129692388956.JavaMail.root [at] elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:26:28 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Reply-To: seanrmc [at] earthlink.net
Subject: Re: ETC dimmer question

Paul....

It's not heat--it's an AIRFLOW sensor.  When it gets clogged, it takes fans at full speed to get air to "register" to the sensor.  So, when you turn on something in the rack, the fan starts up.  The sensor starts looking for airflow.  The fans take a couple seconds to spin up to full speed.  During that lag:
The lights turn on (the dimmer is on)
The fans start
The airflow sensor sees "no airflow"
The automatic "hey, the fans aren't working" protection kicks in and turns off the dimmers
The fans reach full speed
The partially clogged sensor now sees airflow
The auto-protection allows the dimmers to turn on
The cue on stage returns.

All this takes about 1-5 seconds from the time the rack gets a non-zero level command.

By the way, I've seen this happen on a Sensor 24 rack.  The airflow sensor was full of a paste of condensed haze fluid and dust.  A couple of puffs of Dust-off solved the "Dipping Dimmer Mystery".

--Sean

Sean R. McCarthy
seanrmc [at] earthlink.net


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Marsland <paulbmarsland [at] yahoo.com>>\

If the heat sensor were the problem, I would think
you would see this problem intermittently regardless
of
the state of the cues, control signal, or
terminations.  That said, a good cleaning never hurt
anyone.


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Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 00:58:57 -0400
From: David d'Anjou <ddanjou [at] gmail.com>
Cc: Barney [at] josephchansen.com
Subject: Re: Flame testing
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I have always asked for test strips on drapes - they aren't standard
but most manufacturers aren't surprised to get the request. If there
isn't one you can usually find a piece off a seam to cut. I don't
think anyone is suggesting we should be trying to set an entire,
installed curtain on fire- a typical "match test" is intended to get a
feeling of how a sample would perform in a real NFPA 701 set-up - so a
2" wide piece tested somewhere safe without wind is usually a good
bet.

And of course field tests are innacurate - but they can give you a
good idea: "No-problem-at all", "kinda-maybe", and "deep-doo-doo". The
second 2 categories would send you straight to an independant lab.

When in doubt - burn a piece. If STILL in doubt - get someone with a
real set-up and the rule book to burn a piece.

David d'Anjou
Cirque du Soleil



On 10/17/05, Barney Simon <barney [at] josephchansen.com> wrote:
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>
> Alf Sauve wrote:
>
> > Most all drape manufactures include some test strips with each curtain.
>
> Speaking unofficially but based upon my 16 years with Rose Brand, this
> was never a standard practice.  I've owned JC Hansen for three years, so
> I cannot speak to their current practices, nor have I ever visited their
> California facility.
>
> Just to cause trouble:  my thought, should I be the suspicious type fire
> inspector, is that who ever treated the curtain, probably super treated
> the sample... if they treated the curtain at all.
>
> --
> Barney Simon
> JC Hansen Co., Inc
> Drapes Drops and Dance Floors
>
> 423 West 43rd Street, NYC
> 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189
> JCHansen.com
> 866-988-8055
>
>



--
David d'Anjou
Cirque du Soleil
Mirage 2006 project

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From: "David Paul Stock" <Dave [at] davidpauldesigns.com>
Subject: Morpheus Color Faders
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 01:02:17 -0400
Message-ID: <JDEFKFAHNOLHEFKPPONLCEBOCAAA.Dave [at] davidpauldesigns.com>


Can anyone offer operational tips on these color faders.  I hear tell that
there exists a website with a correlation table for channel level settings
and standard gel colors from various color media manufactures.  I haven't
found it and was curious if anyone has the URL handy.





















Stock, David Paul
Art Direction & Production Designer
8587 Greenbelt Rd., Apt. T2
Greenbelt, MD 20770
(H) 301-552-5492
(C) 716-510-2016
Website: davidpauldesigns.com
Email: Dave [at] davidpauldesigns.com <mailto:Dave [at] davidpauldesigns.com>







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From: "Chris Warner" <bearz2 [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Morpheus Color Faders
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:48:46 -0700
Message-ID: <008c01c5d470$c5cc1880$6401a8c0 [at] chris>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Paul Stock
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:02 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Morpheus Color Faders
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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> 
> Can anyone offer operational tips on these color faders.  I hear tell
that
> there exists a website with a correlation table for channel level
settings
> and standard gel colors from various color media manufactures.  I
haven't
> found it and was curious if anyone has the URL handy.
> 

I believe the color faders manual has one in it, at least when I was
working with Hi end color commands that is where I found them.

Chris




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