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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 25236374; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:02:53 -0700 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #562 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:01:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, SARE_FRAUD_10,SARE_FRAUD_9,TW_WH autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #562 1. Re: Drummer by "Paul Guncheon" 2. Re: Concrete weight by "Paul Guncheon" 3. Re: Concrete weight by Charlie Richmond 4. Re: Concrete weight by Stephen Litterst 5. Hanging lights alone by b Ricie 6. Re: Another pyro incident by "Bill Conner" 7. Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors by Loren Schreiber 8. Tap floor by b Ricie 9. Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC? by Bill Sapsis 10. Re: Another pyro incident by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 11. Contract Rider Help!!! by "Maurice Moe Conn" 12. Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 13. Re: Contract Rider Help!!! by "Steve Jones" 14. Re: Contract Rider Help!!! by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 15. Re: Contract Rider Help!!! by Dale Farmer 16. Large Area Homosote Flooring? by "Sam Fisher" 17. Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC? by MissWisc [at] aol.com 18. Re: Drummer by Herrick Goldman 19. Re: Contract Rider Help!!! by MissWisc [at] aol.com 20. Re: Contract Rider Help!!! by Greg Williams 21. Falling from the catwalk by Paul Marsland 22. Re: Hanging lights alone by Jerry Durand 23. Re: Large Area Homosote Flooring? by Greg Bierly 24. Flame Retardant Carpet by Chris Wych 25. Re: Large Area Homosote Flooring? by Steve Larson 26. Re: Large Area Homosote Flooring? by Delbert Hall 27. Re: Hanging lights alone by Pat Kight 28. Re: Another pyro incident by "Bill Conner" 29. Re: Flame Retardant Carpet by "G. D. George" 30. Re: Hanging lights alone by Barney Simon 31. To Hammer or to air compress by Bob Frame 32. DMX Converter for sale by Art Corey 33. Re: Large Area Homosote Flooring? by "Sam Fisher" 34. Re: Large Area Homosote Flooring? by Mark O'Brien 35. Re: DMX Converter for sale by "Abby Downing" 36. Re: Large Area Homosote Flooring? by Delbert Hall 37. Re: Large Area Homosote Flooring? by "Jared Fortney" 38. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by "G. D. George" 39. Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC? by Wood Chip-P26398 40. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by "Davis, Thomas J" 41. Lighting booms for dance by "Tom Heemskerk" 42. Re: Contract Rider Help!!! by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 43. Re: Lighting booms for dance by "Matthew Breton" 44. Re: Lighting booms for dance by Herrick Goldman 45. Re: Contract Rider Help!!! by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 46. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by "Matthew Breton" 47. Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC? by Greg Bierly 48. Re: Prop Liquor Recipes by Wood Chip-P26398 49. Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC? by Bill Sapsis 50. Re: Hanging lights alone by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 51. Re: Another pyro incident by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 52. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by Stephen Litterst 53. Moving Lights (Matrix 300) by "JAMES CRAIG" 54. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by "G. D. George" 55. Re: Lighting booms for dance by Davy Davis 56. Re: Hanging lights alone by "richard j. archer" 57. Re: Lighting booms for dance by "Steve B." 58. True DWG Viewer by "rufus" 59. ACL - Hawaii Stop (was Prop Liquor Recipes) by Janine Myers 60. Pani Projection Equip for Sale by Mike Voytko 61. costume list ? by IAEG [at] aol.com 62. Re: costume list ? by "Paul Schreiner" 63. Re: costume list ? by MissWisc [at] aol.com 64. Re: Lighting booms for dance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 65. Re: True DWG Viewer by "Laura McMeley" 66. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by "Occy" 67. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by "Josh Ratty" 68. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by Dale Farmer 69. Re: another pyro incident by theatre safety programs 70. Re: Another pyro incident by Stuart Wheaton 71. les mis Toronto by "RODOK!!!" 72. Tour information needed by "James, Brian" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:54:01 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Drummer Message-id: <001e01c5da1b$93e02680$1e8aea48 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: <> Ow. A drummer... try Keoki (George) Van Orden. Any number I have for him is way old (is this a theme here?) but Shell may have it through his theatre. If Keoki can't do it, he may know someone who will. Also Castle Performing Arts Center in Kailua just perfomed ACL and may be able to help as well. I'll just go sit now and try to remember things. Laters, Paul "I'm losing my hair: Tom bawled. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 01:07:29 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: Re: Concrete weight Message-id: <002201c5da1d$7522f860$1e8aea48 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: <> According to Google, concrete weighs between 140 - 150 lbs. per cubic foot, so <> weighs nothing, but a 2'x3'x2' cube can weigh up to around 1800 lbs. Laters, Paul "I'm wearing concrete dentures" sad Tom, curbing his tongue. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:11:21 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Concrete weight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Paul Guncheon wrote: > "I'm wearing concrete dentures" sad Tom, curbing his tongue. Did you make this one up or do you have some sort of contextual system involved? Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Concrete weight In-reply-to: Message-id: <3872.172.144.166.209.1130331204.squirrel [at] 172.144.166.209> References: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > On Wed, 26 Oct 2005, Paul Guncheon wrote: > >> "I'm wearing concrete dentures" sad Tom, curbing his tongue. > > Did you make this one up or do you have some sort of contextual system > involved? Google ads apparently has a "Tom Swiftie" setting Steve L. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051026131601.6313.qmail [at] web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:16:01 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: Hanging lights alone In-Reply-To: I wonder if the man who fell and died was working alone. It seems (in schools mostly) that they do not want to pay enough to staff correctly. How can this be corrected. Just last night I too was hanging lights alone. I will no longer put myself in potential danger when I am alone in a room, but I do still have to work alone from time to time. When I do my feet stay on the ground. So, in order to protect ourselves and colleagues, what can we do to start to change this. I do what I can by saying no to things I am not comfortable doing alone, but I am one man lost in a small town with little impact. It seems we need some regulation on this, any suggestions??? Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001d01c5da30$f996c460$6401a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Another pyro incident Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:27:06 -0500 Stuart Wheaton posts: "What Info? Rock and roller hurt doing stunt amid pyro, pyro permitted and approved, Injuries minor. There really is nothing there, surely not enough to merit being called typical. What went wrong? How often has the same gag been done without any incident? Was the performer aware of the risks? Was the performer sober? To call this press release 'info' is to call wire mesh 'armor plating'." Unfortunately, there are many injuries and deaths each year resulting from pyro. It is not sufficiently regulated. Training is inadequate and inconsistent. 100 are dead in RI where, without pyro, none would have died: no other single contributing factor was as significant. It is the Corvair of special effects. Bill Conner ASTC Bill Conner Associates LLC 637 North Marion Street Oak Park, Illinois 60302 bill [at] bcaworld.com Office (708) 437 0505 Fax (708) 323-1118 Cell (708) 983 5792 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20051026061441.02d4aec0 [at] mail.sdsu.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:29:51 -0700 From: Loren Schreiber Subject: Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors In-Reply-To: References: Hey Ben, In my book, polycarbonate is the only way to go for clear floors--it takes all kinds of abuse without complaint and the scratches "heal" pretty quickly. 200,000,000 versions of Forever Plaid can't be wrong. (OK, maybe it wasn't that many. It just seems like it.) Acrylic, if it's supported well works pretty good in thicker sections, but it's hard to get the scratches out and it chips easily, besides being priced like oil. Have you considered tempered glass? If you get it thick enough it can handle a lot too. I think anything above 1/4" though and Lexan or Tufac will look attractively priced. How thick were you looking for? Your message was a bit garbled on the numbers. OK-- here's a cheap one: get your scenic artists to paint the floor to look clear. OK--one more: plead poverty with your plastics supplier (works for us at State). Send your most attractive person to deal with their sales desk personnel and flirt a lot. Offer to write a letter, put their names in the program, vote for someone other than Bush . . . leave someone inside the building after they close and then . . . Loren "Grits" Schreiber, Technical Director School of Theatre, Television and Film San Diego State University Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charity Ride. Check out www.lrlr.org for more information. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051026133241.19894.qmail [at] web50612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: b Ricie Subject: Tap floor In-Reply-To: Savion Glover had a pretty cool tap floor for his tour. Since Savion's feet were sorta another member of the band, the floor was made so it could be easily rigged for mics. The construction was fairly simple. 4'x8' steel frames were made with adjustable legs(gotta have those on tour). On top of that went a sheet of 3/4'' ply wood. The top or finish layer was tong and groove oak floor installed the same as you would in your house. The sections were joined with coffin locks, and because Savion tapped the hell out of the floor we also ran ratchet straps around the entire unit once it was set up. The steel frame raised the floor enough to help emphasize the sound of the taps and gave us a way of making the floor level to the venue. The steel, Oak and ply made the units pretty heavy. I am sure you could make the frames differently, but I would recommend including some sort of leveling system. This is sort of the high cost solution, but it is adaptable to any environment and bullet proof. __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:40:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC? From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Typically 2,000 to 3,000 pounds. The East River has really strong currents, you see. And you would want anything floating back to the surface right? <> Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 10/26/05 1:10 AM, "Michael Heinicke" wrote: > Just curious, but what do these typically weigh? ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Cc: bill [at] bcaworld.com ('Bill Conner') Subject: RE: Another pyro incident Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:54:18 -0400 Message-ID: <003601c5da34$c56da920$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: Bill Conner wrote: > Unfortunately, there are many injuries and deaths each year=20 > resulting from=20 > pyro. It is not sufficiently regulated. Training is inadequate and=20 > inconsistent. 100 are dead in RI where, without pyro, none=20 > would have died: Bill, it was a little difficult to tell which was your text and which = was quoted, so if I've misattributed the above, I apologize. As much as anything, the problem is education. I believe I've mentioned = the artistic director in Florida who indignantly told me, when I informed = him that he needed a licensed pyrotechnician, "I've never heard of such a thing!" He hadn't heard of it because he hadn't asked...and no one had ever told him. ...And, of course, this was in an 80-year-old wooden building. ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Contract Rider Help!!! Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:09:06 +0000 Hey List, I need your help, Please! I have a former student working in a High Shcool Theatre as the TD/jack of all trades, the area Fine Arts Assoc. has brought in a Mark Twain impersonator. to perform in her space. She received the contract rider for the guy which included lighting needs, focus and gel, dressing room needs...and so on. The TD needed gels for some of the requests made by Twain, in his rider, The TD asked the Fine Art Assoc, to please purchase the needed Gels (4 sheets). Don't go into the school should have gel, that is a different issue. Upon doing so, a member from the Fine Art Assoc. and a member of the Board of Ed. came into the Theatre and turned on various lights, then proceeded to tell the TD the lights were good enough and not to refocus or change gels. Now correct me here, if I am wrong, if the contract has been signed, then the TD has an obligation to meet the needs in the rider, right? (she knows this). What should her course of action be? I told her she needed to talk to her principle at the school to Cover her Butt, so someone above her has been made aware of the situation, Should she also contact the Fine Art Assoc. President? It was also said the TD did not know how to do her job or run the facility, by the member of the Fine Art Assoc. member, a job she has been doing for over a year. Any Suggestions or help would be appreciated. Moe Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charlty Ride. Check out www.lrlr.org for more information ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Mafia Blocks in NYC? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:18:54 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c5da38$35361e10$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > The East River has really strong currents, you see. And you > would want anything floating back to the surface right? <> The East River is soooo declasse'. Discriminating thugs use the Hudson. Sincerely, Guido ------------------------------ From: "Steve Jones" Subject: RE: Contract Rider Help!!! Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:17:51 -0500 Organization: Plaza Theatre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: She needs to give all this info to the person that signed the contract and let him/her deal with it. That person is the one who took on the responsibility. If it is the Assoc that signed it, then the TD needs to call the tour manager and inform him/her of what's happening and give contact info for the Assoc. to the manager. It is not the TD's job to have to do contract fights. Tell her to ignore what any Assoc member says that has no background in the field. She will run into people like that her whole career. Steve ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 834-8147 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org SOLD OUT! Patty Loveless - Friday, October 21, 7PM STILL AVAILABLE! Kathy Mattea - Saturday, December 10, 7PM -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Maurice Moe Conn Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:09 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Contract Rider Help!!! For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Hey List, I need your help, Please! I have a former student working in a High Shcool Theatre as the TD/jack of all trades, the area Fine Arts Assoc. has brought in a Mark Twain impersonator. to perform in her space. She received the contract rider for the guy which included lighting needs, focus and gel, dressing room needs...and so on. The TD needed gels for some of the requests made by Twain, in his rider, The TD asked the Fine Art Assoc, to please purchase the needed Gels (4 sheets). Don't go into the school should have gel, that is a different issue. Upon doing so, a member from the Fine Art Assoc. and a member of the Board of Ed. came into the Theatre and turned on various lights, then proceeded to tell the TD the lights were good enough and not to refocus or change gels. Now correct me here, if I am wrong, if the contract has been signed, then the TD has an obligation to meet the needs in the rider, right? (she knows this). What should her course of action be? I told her she needed to talk to her principle at the school to Cover her Butt, so someone above her has been made aware of the situation, Should she also contact the Fine Art Assoc. President? It was also said the TD did not know how to do her job or run the facility, by the member of the Fine Art Assoc. member, a job she has been doing for over a year. Any Suggestions or help would be appreciated. Moe Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charlty Ride. Check out www.lrlr.org for more information ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Contract Rider Help!!! Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:21:06 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01c5da38$8440a520$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > I told her she > needed to talk > to her principle at the school to Cover her Butt, so someone > above her has > been made aware of the situation, Should she also contact the > Fine Art > Assoc. President? Whomever she contacts, it should be in writing. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <435F92D1.B0789650 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:29:37 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Contract Rider Help!!! References: Maurice Moe Conn wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hey List, > > I need your help, Please! > > I have a former student working in a High Shcool Theatre as the TD/jack of > all trades, the area Fine Arts Assoc. has brought in a Mark Twain > impersonator. to perform in her space. > > She received the contract rider for the guy which included lighting needs, > focus and gel, dressing room needs...and so on. The TD needed gels for some > of the requests made by Twain, in his rider, The TD asked the Fine Art > Assoc, to please purchase the needed Gels (4 sheets). Don't go into the > school should have gel, that is a different issue. Upon doing so, a member > from the Fine Art Assoc. and a member of the Board of Ed. came into the > Theatre and turned on various lights, then proceeded to tell the TD the > lights were good enough and not to refocus or change gels. > > Now correct me here, if I am wrong, if the contract has been signed, then > the TD has an obligation to meet the needs in the rider, right? (she knows > this). What should her course of action be? I told her she needed to talk > to her principle at the school to Cover her Butt, so someone above her has > been made aware of the situation, Should she also contact the Fine Art > Assoc. President? > > It was also said the TD did not know how to do her job or run the facility, > by the member of the Fine Art Assoc. member, a job she has been doing for > over a year. > > Any Suggestions or help would be appreciated. Who signed the contract? Probably not the TD. The TD needs to go back to their boss and give them a written notice that they need to obtain those gels (and anything else) to comply with the already signed contract, or to obtain from the other side a written and signed exception agreement as an addendum to the contract. That's the legal advice, worth every penny you paid for it. This is probably a political and budgetary issue within the organization, or possibly a power struggle, and this issue is the battle of the moment. I can't really give any good advice other than keeping one's head down out of the line of fire, and covering one's ass with a well filled titanic file. --Dale ------------------------------ From: "Sam Fisher" Subject: Large Area Homosote Flooring? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:27:17 -0400 In-reply-to: Message-ID: Has anyone ever come across a company that has the capability to route stone tiles into a very large quantity of 4x8 homosote sheets. I'd really like to avoid doing it manually here, plus I'm not really interested in making that type of mess. Sam Fisher General Manager / VP Fisher Theatrical, LLC. 410-487-0100 office 410-487-0090 fax ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <20a.c9a133a.3090ec5d [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:27:41 EDT Subject: Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC? _bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com_ (mailto:bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com) writes: <> This from the man who teaches the world how to "hang" things. (people??) <> Glad you're my friend, Unkle, you'd make one formidable enemy. Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:39:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Drummer From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Thanks Paul. The Castle PAC show is actually us. But we have flown in the Pit Drummer from Bway. He'll be jet lagged but he played it for 10 years with our MD so he should be able to hang in. Nothing but fun out here. Best, -H -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <53.32f9acc2.3090efd8 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:42:32 EDT Subject: Re: Contract Rider Help!!! The person who signed the contract is the one responsible for making certain the terms are met. It's not unusual for standard riders to be altered, but that's usually because the venue isn't physically able to do it, there is a local AHJ who says no, or some other compelling reason like "alcohol isn't permitted on this campus." In that case, the parties to the contract draw up an "addendum", or alter and initial the changes in the original contract prior to it being signed. Since the latter is no longer possible, an addendum is necessary. Seems to me that 4 sheets of gel will be cheaper and less hassle. If the Fine Arts Association wants to have a prayer of bringing in other acts, they should be glad that's the only "extra" cost they are incurring. Is there anyone in that association who's a lawyer or realtor? Does the school have legal counsel on retainer or on the board? They deal with contracts all the time and may be more "intelligent" and persuasuve regarding this. What would they have done if they'd been asked for 3 pounds of M&Ms with all the brown ones removed? ;) Kristi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:31:10 -0400 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Contract Rider Help!!! In-reply-to: Message-id: References: On Oct 26, 2005, at 10:09 AM, Maurice Moe Conn wrote: > Hey List, > > I need your help, Please! > > I have a former student working in a High Shcool Theatre as the TD/ > jack of all trades, the area Fine Arts Assoc. has brought in a > Mark Twain impersonator. to perform in her space. > > She received the contract rider for the guy which included lighting > needs, focus and gel, dressing room needs...and so on. The TD > needed gels for some of the requests made by Twain, in his rider, > The TD asked the Fine Art Assoc, to please purchase the needed Gels > (4 sheets). Don't go into the school should have gel, that is a > different issue. Upon doing so, a member from the Fine Art Assoc. > and a member of the Board of Ed. came into the Theatre and turned > on various lights, then proceeded to tell the TD the lights were > good enough and not to refocus or change gels. > > Now correct me here, if I am wrong, if the contract has been > signed, then the TD has an obligation to meet the needs in the > rider, right? (she knows this). What should her course of action > be? I told her she needed to talk to her principle at the school > to Cover her Butt, so someone above her has been made aware of the > situation, Should she also contact the Fine Art Assoc. President? > > It was also said the TD did not know how to do her job or run the > facility, by the member of the Fine Art Assoc. member, a job she > has been doing for over a year. > > Any Suggestions or help would be appreciated. > > Moe Moe, You know me, I'll try to be as polite as possible... nahhhhh... who does she work for? The school system? The principal is her boss, right? Is the principal comfy with the fact that a signed contract which probably specifies the tech rider as part of said contract is about to be violated? Who signed the contract? Two ways she can deal with this... raise a stink herself, or let the actor or his rep deal with it. I would personally contact the person named in the rider, tell them that as much as I would love to accommodate them, the people who signed the contract are telling her not to fulfill the rider, and let them deal with it. If it's Hal Holbrook and his folks or anyone of that rank and caliber, I suspect the Fine Arts folks will come back singing a different tune, in a more humble key. Of course, she could always tell the Fine Arts folks that she doesn't come down to where _they_ earn a living and try to tell _them_ where to position the red light or how often to change the sheets... -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2006 ride dates July 9-18 - c'mon and join us! ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051026150403.98741.qmail [at] web52208.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Falling from the catwalk In-Reply-To: > > I am very saddened at any death, and in our > industry, injuries continue to > occur, even though some, and there are some who > fight viciously against > their reality, such as the pyro incident. We have to > do better. ISETSA must > begin its fight, despite all we are up against. We > must. Help me, please. > Our work in the schools may be unsung, but the > problems are legion there. > Doom > > > Try this... > > http://tinyurl.com/b5cw5 > > When I read this article, I am left wondering a few things; If this man was engaged in activities that he had been doing on and off for the past 25-odd years, what was so different this time as to lead to such an accident? Slipping on a piece of gel left on the catwalk floor and tumbling over a handrail? Drugs or alcohol? Trying to fix some dangerous rig that was left by someone else? Suicide due to other life stressors? I know there will be no good reason, but hopefully some preventable reason. Then I start looking at the "sensible" preventative measures; structural -- I assume the catwalk and railings met applicable local structural standards for a service (non-public) area. housekeeping -- I am a "neatness always counts" kind of guy. How do I get the other 95% of the crew I work with to have the patience to pick up after themselves and avoid leaving that cut of gel on the floor? methodology -- what if someone decided they needed that special downlight focused on the eighth row of the audience, and took a fixture from the catwalk rail and decided it would work better hanging from the sprinkler pipe/conduit/drop ceiling rail? Perhaps our man was restoring someone else's bad choice in practice. Can we train our crews away from such bad choices? It is sad to lose someone of such apparent experience and dedication for any reason, doubly so in this case. Paul __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <25A1B2E4-6BB8-4D65-BBEE-82032CCA0FE4 [at] interstellar.com> From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Hanging lights alone Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:05:28 -0700 On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:16 AM, b Ricie wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > I wonder if the man who fell and died was working > alone. It seems (in schools mostly) that they do not > want to pay enough to staff correctly. The article I saw said he didn't get paid at all. I'll bet they have a hard time staffing at those wages. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Large Area Homosote Flooring? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:04:44 -0400 > Has anyone ever come across a company that has the capability to route > stone > tiles into a very large quantity of 4x8 homosote sheets. Anyone with a large capacity CNC router. Try local display companies, cabinet shops, sign companies. Let us know what you find. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051026150938.76079.qmail [at] web34708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Wych Subject: Flame Retardant Carpet For an upcoming production I'm planing on using cheap carpet from Menards. Its avaible in the store and has a foam backing. I have to go back and check to see if its flame retardant. My guess is that its not flame retardant like my TD would like. Does anyone have suggestions on what I could use to make it flame retardant and how to apply it (Hudson sprayer?)? I thought about finding flame retardant carpet but the 91 cent carpet (per square foot) plus $60 for flame retardant is probably cheaper then then $2-3 (??? estimate) for flame retardant carpet. Im looking at covering somewhere around 300-350 square feet. Thanks for the help and suggestions. Chris Wych Chris Wych Indiana University Scenic Graduate Student a_small_idiot [at] yahoo.com ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ http://www.theatretechie.com ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:09:17 -0400 Subject: Re: Large Area Homosote Flooring? From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: In the Raleigh, NC area we found a signmaker who routs various materials for signs. Perhaps there's one in your area. Works from a computerized design into the router. Steve > From: "Sam Fisher" > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:27:17 -0400 > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Large Area Homosote Flooring? > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Has anyone ever come across a company that has the capability to route stone > tiles into a very large quantity of 4x8 homosote sheets. I'd really like to > avoid doing it manually here, plus I'm not really interested in making that > type of mess. > > Sam Fisher > General Manager / VP > Fisher Theatrical, LLC. > 410-487-0100 office > 410-487-0090 fax > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:35:07 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: Large Area Homosote Flooring? In-Reply-To: References: Sam, I agree with Greg, find someone with a CNC router table (like a cabinet shop). Create a CAD drawing of the design and decide what tool you want to used for the routing. Once the machine is set up these can be banged out for you pretty quickly. Steve Waxler at the CCM has a CNC router and can probably give you good advice on how to do the drawing so that it is ready to load into the routerrs computer. -Delbert On 10/26/05, Greg Bierly wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Has anyone ever come across a company that has the capability to route > > stone > > tiles into a very large quantity of 4x8 homosote sheets. > > Anyone with a large capacity CNC router. Try local display companies, > cabinet shops, sign companies. Let us know what you find. > > > Greg Bierly > Technical Director > Hempfield HS > > -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <435FA247.1010408 [at] peak.org> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:35:35 -0700 From: Pat Kight Subject: Re: Hanging lights alone References: In-Reply-To: Jerry Durand wrote: >> I wonder if the man who fell and died was working >> alone. It seems (in schools mostly) that they do not >> want to pay enough to staff correctly. > > > The article I saw said he didn't get paid at all. I'll bet they have a > hard time staffing at those wages. In the Washington Post article, the part to Horvat not getting paid was in reference to his volunteer firefighting job. He was apparently on the school district payroll. -- Pat Kight kightp [at] peak.org ------------------------------ Message-ID: <007901c5da43$d7e26690$6401a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com References: <003601c5da34$c56da920$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> Subject: Re: Another pyro incident Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:42:10 -0500 I wrote: "Unfortunately, there are many injuries and deaths each year resulting from pyro. It is not sufficiently regulated. Training is inadequate and inconsistent. 100 are dead in RI where, without pyro, none would have died." And Jeffrey E. Salzberg replied: "As much as anything, the problem is education. I believe I've mentioned the artistic director in Florida who indignantly told me, when I informed him that he needed a licensed pyrotechnician, "I've never heard of such a thing!" He hadn't heard of it because he hadn't asked...and no one had ever told him." The 1994 Life Safety Code for the first time permitted pyro indoors. Previoulsy, it could only be done with a variance whcih meant a lot of attention and focus and money to be sure it was OK and for NBA teams and Disney and similar organizations, it probably can be done safely. Then, it became a "right" to do it, with farily minmal requirements. Every high school band teacher and every neighborhood garage band said I want that effect too and the result has been increased injuries and deaths and property loss from fire. I regret I did not work harder to oppose the change to the LSC in 1992 and wish I had gotten involved with NFPA 1126 so not any Joe Blow can obtain and use pyro indoors. To be safe, pyro obviously requires a very high degree of vigilance and professionalism including many more safe guards than are curently required. And it requires money - for the time and training of operators, sufficient enforcement, and other safeguards - much more than high schools and garage bands have. That is why I will work towards greater regulatory restriction on it's sale and use in the years ahead. It simply isn't worth the lives and pain and suffering that results from the easy availability and use of pyro. Bill Conner ASTC ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: Flame Retardant Carpet Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:43:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Do your local codes require the flooring of a set to be FR? I've sometimes wondered about this because I can't recall ever seeing a 3/4" plywood and 2x4 platform that *was*. And the majority of platforms that I've worked with over the years are that type. Hmmm. Curiouser and curiouser. I wonder if using the Flamex that mixes with paint would make the entire platform FR? Anyway, seems to me that you could lay the carpet and then spray it with Rosco flamex or the like using either a Hudson or a (compressed)air sprayer. I'd definitely look at the recommended dilution and application instructions though. Cheers, Jerry G. D. George Assistant Professor and Technical Director Capital University Theatre Department of Communications 1 College and Main Columbus, OH 43209 (614) 236-6498 ggeorge [at] capital.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Chris Wych Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:10 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Flame Retardant Carpet For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- For an upcoming production I'm planing on using cheap carpet from Menards. Its avaible in the store and has a foam backing. I have to go back and check to see if its flame retardant. My guess is that its not flame retardant like my TD would like. Does anyone have suggestions on what I could use to make it flame retardant and how to apply it (Hudson sprayer?)? I thought about finding flame retardant carpet but the 91 cent carpet (per square foot) plus $60 for flame retardant is probably cheaper then then $2-3 (??? estimate) for flame retardant carpet. Im looking at covering somewhere around 300-350 square feet. Thanks for the help and suggestions. Chris Wych Chris Wych Indiana University Scenic Graduate Student a_small_idiot [at] yahoo.com ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ http://www.theatretechie.com ~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~ __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <435FAA0A.8050308 [at] JosephCHansen.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:08:42 -0400 From: Barney Simon Reply-To: Barney [at] JosephCHansen.com Organization: Joseph C Hansen Co., Inc Subject: Re: Hanging lights alone References: In-Reply-To: b Ricie wrote: >potential danger when I am alone > I worked as an installation coordinator for a major stage drapery company for 16 years. I fought with both my clients AND my installers about how many people needed to show up. Yes, hanging a 15' high x 22' wide velour star drop on an existing dead hung track can be done with one person in about an hour (finding the contact, getting access, finding the ladder, returning the ladder, and getting the client to sign off all take longer than actually doing the work), but I have always maintained that two people must go. You always need someone to at least hold the ladder while the other person is on top of the ladder (and in the worst case: call the ambulance). But how does one convince the client that they not only have to pay a 4 hr. minimum call, but have to do it for two people? Using the math that I used to use, that made that hang $800 - $1,000 here in NYC. Some of my installers even believe that they have supernatural powers. "I can easily go drill those six holes and set the bolts in the 15' concrete ceiling myself and the full crew can come in on day two to hang the drop downs and the track." No, I do not think so. -- Barney Simon JC Hansen Co., Inc Drapes Drops and Dance Floors 423 West 43rd Street, NYC 212-246-8055 F:212-246-8189 JCHansen.com 866-988-8055 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2FDDC3C2F5B5F4499C096779EF5493B902CE41CB [at] exchange-nt.cayuga-cc.edu> From: Bob Frame Subject: To Hammer or to air compress Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:14:47 -0400 A friend and I were having a discussion during the construction/load in of my last show and the subject of hammers came up. Yeah, I'm an oldish Phart and he's a whippersnapper (but on the cusp) He contends that using a hammer is a craft that is no longer needed (sort of like hand drafting). His argument is that the price of compressors/nailers/staplers are well within the price of almost everyone and are so much easier and quicker to use. I of course took the tact that using a hammer teaches hand-eye coordination and how to get a "feel" for the material being worked with as well as using the proper number of fasteners for the joint (more is NOT stronger). So out of curiosity, do you still teach/require the use of hammers or is everything pneumatic or for that matter is everything screwed! What about pro shops? Are Hammers used for more than "persuading"? Bob ------------------------------ Message-ID: <435FAE0B.8090701 [at] cox.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:25:47 -0500 From: Art Corey Subject: DMX Converter for sale We have a DMX converter that is surplus to our needs. See it at fslt.org . Can anyone direct me to sites for posting used equipment for sale? Thanks, Art Corey Fort Smith Little Theatre ------------------------------ From: "Sam Fisher" Subject: RE: Large Area Homosote Flooring? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:37:40 -0400 In-reply-to: Message-ID: While on the subject...anyone with a table have a love/hate relationship with their particular model? Sam Fisher General Manager / VP Fisher Theatrical, LLC. 410-487-0100 office 410-487-0090 fax -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Delbert Hall Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:35 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Large Area Homosote Flooring? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Sam, I agree with Greg, find someone with a CNC router table (like a cabinet shop). Create a CAD drawing of the design and decide what tool you want to used for the routing. Once the machine is set up these can be banged out for you pretty quickly. Steve Waxler at the CCM has a CNC router and can probably give you good advice on how to do the drawing so that it is ready to load into the routerrs computer. -Delbert On 10/26/05, Greg Bierly wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > Has anyone ever come across a company that has the capability to route > > stone > > tiles into a very large quantity of 4x8 homosote sheets. > > Anyone with a large capacity CNC router. Try local display companies, > cabinet shops, sign companies. Let us know what you find. > > > Greg Bierly > Technical Director > Hempfield HS > > -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <30b9a433dda9c7bb445a9ee1dd6129c4 [at] email.arizona.edu> Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Large Area Homosote Flooring? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:53:32 -0700 On Oct 26, 2005, at 9:37 AM, Sam Fisher wrote: > While on the subject...anyone with a table have a love/hate > relationship > with their particular model? > > Sam Fisher I have a 5' x 10' Digital Tools router. (The company is no defunct) It has 2 heads a 7-1/2hp Elte spindle, and a drill motor. It has no vacuum hold-down, but I wish I had that. It runs off a 486 running DOS 3xx. I have purchased a new computer, and I am working on the interface to run it off of Mach 3 http://www.artofcnc.ca/ If anyone on the list knows anything about this software, please contact me off list. What I do notice about cutting for other folks is that I sometimes get cadd drawings that are full of unjoined lines, lines stacked on top of lines and other nasties that really bugger up the Cad cam software that I use to make tool paths. Mark-O Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile Santos / McGarry in 2006 ------------------------------ Subject: RE: DMX Converter for sale Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:07:31 -0400 Message-ID: <7AE59BA9B8D15D4787EB1C7A2DB6DFBA300236 [at] jekyll-sbs.ollsi.local> From: "Abby Downing" To sell used gear, I recommend the following: www.gearsource.com www.solarisnetwork.com or even:=20 www.soundbroker.com And... Last but definitely not least, eBay! www.ebay.com Good luck! Abby ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:01:27 -0400 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: Large Area Homosote Flooring? In-Reply-To: References: IIRC, CCM has a ShopBot PRTalpha 96 (about $9,500 which does not include the table). I saw it run and they seemed pretty happy with it. Contact Steve Waxler for details. Our Technology Dept. at ETSU has one, but I do not remember the manufacturer. I know that it was about twice the price of the ShopBot router, but it has a lot of features. -Delbert ------------------------------ From: "Jared Fortney" Subject: RE: Large Area Homosote Flooring? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:00:53 -0400 In-reply-to: Message-ID: <435fb663.09f534f0.28ab.ffffb6b2 [at] mx.gmail.com> Sam, My experience while at CCM was quite the opposite. Their CNC ShopBot router was a huge asset to the production process. It was the only sane way to do a full opera set with perspective brickwork. That machine used an off-the-shelf Porter-Cable router as the cutting unit and had a full-table vacuum clamp. My experience is that it wasn't so much the machine as the programming software that makes the tool effective. We used a product called Vector, which was serviceable once I understood how it functioned. The entirety of my usage was 2D cutting and scoring, so I can't speak for the ease of 3D programming. -Jared Fortney >While on the subject...anyone with a table have a love/hate relationship >with their particular model? > >Sam Fisher ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: To Hammer or to air compress Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:06:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Small liberal arts program with some feed-in from a conservatory based program here. I teach both. J G. D. George Assistant Professor and Technical Director Capital University Theatre Department of Communications 1 College and Main Columbus, OH 43209 (614) 236-6498 ggeorge [at] capital.edu -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bob Frame Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:15 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: To Hammer or to air compress For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- A friend and I were having a discussion during the construction/load in of my last show and the subject of hammers came up. Yeah, I'm an oldish Phart and he's a whippersnapper (but on the cusp) He contends that using a hammer is a craft that is no longer needed (sort of like hand drafting). His argument is that the price of compressors/nailers/staplers are well within the price of almost everyone and are so much easier and quicker to use. I of course took the tact that using a hammer teaches hand-eye coordination and how to get a "feel" for the material being worked with as well as using the proper number of fasteners for the joint (more is NOT stronger). So out of curiosity, do you still teach/require the use of hammers or is everything pneumatic or for that matter is everything screwed! What about pro shops? Are Hammers used for more than "persuading"? Bob ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2E3198416D5E7A4FB3FEC7E6838FE36B14E03B [at] ct11exm60.ds.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: Mafia Blocks in NYC? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:16:53 -0700 Having just been in Bryant Park, really only 3" deep? Some of the trees were pretty big. How does a tree stand that tall with only roots 3" deep? Chip -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sapsis Bryant Park looks like a park with trees and green grass and stuff, but the dirt is actually only 3' deep. The library has most of its' stacks under the park. Hence, no tent stakes. As for the moniker "Mafia" I suspect that doesn't require much explanation. You have the Thames, we have the East River... ------------------------------ Subject: RE: To Hammer or to air compress Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:24:06 -0400 Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B0A929E [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu> From: "Davis, Thomas J" I was TD on a college show early in my career. I came into the shop from the stage to see 4 or 5 of the crew chatting while 2 others were nailing something together with the 2 pneumatic nailers in the shop. I asked why everyone was standing around. The reply was that they were waiting for the pneumatics to become available. I asked why they didn't nail their projects by hand. The reply was that it would take longer to do by hand than with the nailer. Well...... I'll leave my next comments to your imagination. =20 Later that afternoon, to prove a point, I assembled a flat with clout nails while one of the crew assembled one with a pneumatic stapler. Nah...he did finish before I did- he beat me by 2 nails. But it made the point with the crew that 6 people with hammers could do more than 2 people with pneumatics and an audience. When I owned a shop in Chicago- if you didn't know how to use a hammer, you didn't get paid like a carpenter. Tom Davis ----------------------------------------------------- Bob wrote: A friend and I were having a discussion during the construction/load in of my last show and the subject of hammers came up. Yeah, I'm an oldish Phart and he's a whippersnapper (but on the cusp) He contends that using a hammer is a craft that is no longer needed (sort of like hand drafting). His argument is that the price of compressors/nailers/staplers are well within the price of almost everyone and are so much easier and quicker to=20 use. I of course took the tact that using a hammer=20 teaches hand-eye coordination and how to get a "feel" for=20 the material being worked with as well as using the proper=20 number of fasteners for the joint (more is NOT stronger).=20 So out of curiosity, do you still teach/require the use of hammers or is everything pneumatic or for that matter is everything screwed! What about pro shops? Are Hammers used for more than "persuading"? Bob ------------------------------ Message-ID: <49734.204.244.226.56.1130347744.squirrel [at] 204.244.226.56> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:29:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lighting booms for dance From: "Tom Heemskerk" Hello. I'm looking at fabricating booms for use during the usual run of dance recitals in the spring. My question: what are your preferred lens heights for ballet and modern dance lighting? So far, I'm planning 10' booms with a single shin as close to the deck as possible, a single mid at say 4'-6", and two highs as far up as I can. How does this sound? tom ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:41:19 EDT Subject: Re: Contract Rider Help!!! In a message dated 26/10/05 15:11:30 GMT Daylight Time, t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com writes: > She received the contract rider for the guy which included lighting needs, > focus and gel, dressing room needs...and so on. The TD needed gels for some > > of the requests made by Twain, in his rider, The TD asked the Fine Art > Assoc, to please purchase the needed Gels (4 sheets). Don't go into the > school should have gel, that is a different issue. Upon doing so, a member > from the Fine Art Assoc. and a member of the Board of Ed. came into the > Theatre and turned on various lights, then proceeded to tell the TD the > lights were good enough and not to refocus or change gels. > > It was also said the TD did not know how to do her job or run the facility, > by the member of the Fine Art Assoc. member, a job she has been doing for > over a year. My immediate reaction would be to resign. Working for such a management will, I feel, only bring more of this sort of treatment. I realise that this is a drastic step, but reporting the problem upwards may not help, apart from the CYA side. After all, the persons to whom she would report it presumably appointed these dinks. I agree that is an appalling situation. I have been there myself, but my then mamager was transferred in a depertmental re-organisation, and his successor was much better. When the project was over, I was transferred to another department, where I spent many happy years, until the management of that went all pear-shaped. I was quite glad when I was made redundant, and the department was combined with another. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: RE: Lighting booms for dance Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:42:07 -0400 >Hello. I'm looking at fabricating booms for use during the usual run of >dance recitals in the spring. 1-1/2" pipe on a 50-lb base often works. :) I've been requested on occasion to hang tail-downs from the grid without actually touching the stage floor, although carpeting under the boom base will often convince choreographers I'm not going to scratch the marley. >My question: what are your preferred lens heights for ballet and modern >dance lighting? So far, I'm planning 10' booms with a single shin as close >to the deck as possible, a single mid at say 4'-6", and two highs as far >up as I can. How does this sound? It often depends on the size of your space -- the width of your proscenium and the height of your grid. The wider the space, the more "heads" you'll need. I tend to use a kicker, shin-high, waist-high, and shoulder-high (about 18" centers, in other words), plus two above head height to cross-light the stage. More if I want to hang specials on the booms. -- Matt ======== _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:43:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Lighting booms for dance From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Tom, How about Ladders? Depending on your stage width they may be more useful. I find that I put a shin on the deck and then my next unit is anywhere from +4' to +8'. If it's a very active show with entrances and exits I tend to do the +8' so the twirlys can just run under the ladders. If it's critical to have that mid-low shot I can do a 4' boom under the ladders. On 10/26/05 1:29 PM, "Tom Heemskerk" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hello. I'm looking at fabricating booms for use during the usual run of > dance recitals in the spring. > > My question: what are your preferred lens heights for ballet and modern > dance lighting? So far, I'm planning 10' booms with a single shin as close > to the deck as possible, a single mid at say 4'-6", and two highs as far > up as I can. How does this sound? > > tom > > > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1f7.1553d87c.30911ae0 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:46:08 EDT Subject: Re: Contract Rider Help!!! In a message dated 26/10/05 15:23:35 GMT Daylight Time, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: > > I told her she > > needed to talk > > to her principle at the school to Cover her Butt, so someone > > above her has > > been made aware of the situation, Should she also contact the > > Fine Art > > Assoc. President? > > Whomever she contacts, it should be in writing. Indeed, yes. And copied one level up. Politely, mind you, but let the higher authority see what dinks it has working for it. Keep copies. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: RE: To Hammer or to air compress Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:49:12 -0400 >So out of curiosity, do you still teach/require the use >of hammers or is everything pneumatic or for that matter >is everything screwed! What about pro shops? Are Hammers used >for more than "persuading"? For one thing, I've never seen anyone disassemble a flat using a pneumatic stapler. :P They're all different tools (pneumatic staplers, screwguns, and hammer + nails), and used in different fashions, even though they perform the same task. When I'm building houses, I'll use the nailgun, thankyou -- it should be able to stand for a century or more. Most of my theater sets live for about five weeks, and then get turned into other things. I'd rather be able to re-use pieces, or disassemble them smoothly, then sand off what had been a glued-together joint. YMMV. -- Matt ======== _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <7504cc39497aadbec0472c1457911c7f [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:49:59 -0400 > really only 3" deep? Note your quote.... 3' (foot) deep. That still seems shallow. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2E3198416D5E7A4FB3FEC7E6838FE36B14E045 [at] ct11exm60.ds.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: Prop Liquor Recipes Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:54:50 -0700 Similar experience. Mensa group had bought out the house for a fund raiser. Small black box with stage only 6" raised platform. I am alone on stage to open 2nd Act, candy dish on desk where I am sitting "talking to London" on the phone. Late audience member wanders in to front row seat. Spies candy and takes ALL of them and distributes to rest of audience. To much amusement of audience. The next character on stage is supposed to reach over me to take candy from dish and knock off the phone to interrupt my "conversation". She was unaware of this incident and blew her lines when she noticed no candy. Worst audience I ever played for. Glad I dropped out of Mensa when in college. Chip -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Art Corey >Been there done that. Worked a show once (in the round, in a blackbox) >with a bowl of candy out on the set. Dude was eating candy before the >show started. Just standing there taking handfuls out and scarfing em' >down. Not cool. Amusing, but not cool. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:55:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC? From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: The root structure of the giant Sequoia's in California is only about 3' deep. That's one of the reasons they don't let people walk near Gen. Sherman or Sheridan. Ever see those trees? They're huge! Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 10/26/05 1:16 PM, "Wood Chip-P26398" wrote: > Having just been in Bryant Park, really only 3" deep? Some of the trees were > pretty big. How does a tree stand that tall with only roots 3" deep? ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <144.50750626.30911d65 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:56:53 EDT Subject: Re: Hanging lights alone In a message dated 26/10/05 16:08:44 GMT Daylight Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > > I wonder if the man who fell and died was working > > alone. It seems (in schools mostly) that they do not > > want to pay enough to staff correctly. > > The article I saw said he didn't get paid at all. I'll bet they have > a hard time staffing at those wages. Twenty years ago, I cavorted alone about our lighting bridges, Now I am older, I do this less readily. Increasing age brings problems. I am less strong, and my sense of balance is shot. I dislike working alone, these days, at heights. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <21e.1029f61.30911fb9 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:06:49 EDT Subject: Re: Another pyro incident In a message dated 26/10/05 16:44:16 GMT Daylight Time, bill-conner [at] att.net writes: > I regret I did not work harder to oppose the change to the LSC in 1992 and > wish I had gotten involved with NFPA 1126 so not any Joe Blow can obtain and > > use pyro indoors. To be safe, pyro obviously requires a very high degree of > > vigilance and professionalism including many more safe guards than are > curently required. And it requires money - for the time and training of > operators, sufficient enforcement, and other safeguards - much more than > high schools and garage bands have. Let us keep our sense of perspective. Many times have I set off minor pyro effects with a half teaspoon of flash powder, a teaspoon of coloured smoke powder, and a pyro fuse all in a small plastic bag.. None has caused a problem. The ingredients are no longer available. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:14:31 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress In-reply-to: Message-id: <435FC787.5020707 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: > So out of curiosity, do you still teach/require the use > of hammers or is everything pneumatic or for that matter > is everything screwed! What about pro shops? Are Hammers used > for more than "persuading"? I don't know that we teach it per se, but I was having this same thought last night as the carpenters were doing last minute touch ups on the planked show deck after the pneumatics had all been put away. Amazing how much more portable a hammer and some 4d finish nails are over the air hose and t-nailer. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "JAMES CRAIG" Subject: Moving Lights (Matrix 300) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:29:34 -0600 Has anyone had any experience with the Matrix 300 moving yoke light by optima? Looking for info on maintenance, reliability, and function. http://www.optimalighting.com/ Jim craig USA 829 ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: To Hammer or to air compress Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:30:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It's easy. You just hit the flat-tip screwdriver real hard and pry. Be safe though. Disconnect the air and unload the nailer / stapler first. J --- For one thing, I've never seen anyone disassemble a flat using a pneumatic stapler. :P ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:37:11 -0600 From: Davy Davis Subject: Re: Lighting booms for dance In-reply-to: Message-id: <435FDAE7.7020706 [at] du.edu> Organization: DU Theatre References: And you can then double all of these for color changes or add scrollers to each light. Davy Matthew Breton wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > >> Hello. I'm looking at fabricating booms for use during the usual run of >> dance recitals in the spring. > > > 1-1/2" pipe on a 50-lb base often works. :) I've been requested on > occasion to hang tail-downs from the grid without actually touching the > stage floor, although carpeting under the boom base will often convince > choreographers I'm not going to scratch the marley. > >> My question: what are your preferred lens heights for ballet and modern >> dance lighting? So far, I'm planning 10' booms with a single shin as >> close >> to the deck as possible, a single mid at say 4'-6", and two highs as far >> up as I can. How does this sound? > > > It often depends on the size of your space -- the width of your > proscenium and the height of your grid. The wider the space, the more > "heads" you'll need. I tend to use a kicker, shin-high, waist-high, and > shoulder-high (about 18" centers, in other words), plus two above head > height to cross-light the stage. More if I want to hang specials on the > booms. > > > -- Matt > > ======== > > _________________________________________________________________ > On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how > to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > -- William Temple (Davy) Davis; Chair Department of Theatre University of Denver ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:05:43 -0500 From: "richard j. archer" Subject: Re: Hanging lights alone Barney Simon wrote: > but I have always maintained that two people must go. ....... But >how does one convince the >client that they not only have to pay a 4 hr. minimum call, but have to >do it for two people? Using the math that I used to use, that made that >hang $800 - $1,000 here in NYC. I do a lot of special events now (easier to get away for one or two days from Cornell than for weeks to do a show). Needless to say there is not really any rehearsal for these events and crew needs are often a guess. I count up how many we think we need then add one or two. I tell my boss (and he passes it on to the client) that you don't have any problem paying for the fireman to hang around and do nothing (hoping , of course, he will never be needed) so why is it such a problem to pay one more stagehand? Cheap insurance for expensive corporate gigs. Dick A TD Cornell U > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:43:30 -0400 From: "Steve B." Subject: Re: Lighting booms for dance Message-id: <008501c5da6d$eca47b20$6401a8c0 [at] SBFF> References: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Heemskerk" Hello. I'm looking at fabricating booms for use during the usual run of > dance recitals in the spring. > > My question: what are your preferred lens heights for ballet and modern > dance lighting? So far, I'm planning 10' booms with a single shin as close > to the deck as possible, a single mid at say 4'-6", and two highs as far > up as I can. How does this sound? I see most visiting professional companies wanting 2 - 36-40 degree ellipsoidals as shins, 2 more at +5' and +6'-6" or so, sometimes a unit under the 5' (not unusual to see an S4 Par here) and usually a few at +8', +10. etc... The higher units are frequently paired 26/30 and 36/40 degree ellipsoidals (or whatever appropriate for the throw), usually in at least 2, sometimes 3 washes. It's not unusual for companies to un-plug a unit in a pair, if not needed. Obviously you can only hang what your inventory allows for and what your dimming system will support, but this is about the most I see requested. Often a 7ft x 1-1/2" OD pipe in 50lbs base is the norm, everything on single-tee side arms, unless you have the funds for the single width aluminum dance towers. Going higher ?, do it in 7ft. lengths with a boom tie-off to grid - though I won't generally do more then +14ft on pipe. The aluminum dance towers are the most efficient, especially as you can keep the units hung and cabled, with everything very easy to move. Some towers are configured to bolt together in 7ft. sections, up to +21 ft, which can be a bear to get vertical. Pre-hung booms on bases are a RPITA to move around. We use flying ladders at our house, 3 horizontal pipes spanning DS to US, at 2ft. vertical separation, 6 units per wing hung in pairs of 30 and 40 degree Shakespeares, 24 units each side for 4 wings on 12 circuits per ladder. This is mostly due to very limited wing space where booms take up valuable real estate. We add in a single 6x9 per wing on a wood floor plate as needed, which is nearly every professional company, but not the kiddie dance schools - they just fall over the damned things !. The ladders often have the bottom units as low as +7ft. while still allowing a wing entrance/exit, and/or higher as needed. I think Herrick could deal with it (Grin). Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200510262100.j9QL0aVw008908 [at] ns1.ldassistant.com> From: "rufus" Subject: True DWG Viewer Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:59:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: I know that someone was asking about a free DWG viewers Autodesk as releases DWG TrueView it free and can be downloaded at http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?id=6035071&siteID=123112 You can now view DWG files 100 percent just like AutoCAD can Previous to the release you would have had to buy the full AutoCAD read DWG files The DWG format has also changed greatly over the 20-plus years over which it has been used Trust only DWG TrueView Best regards, Rufus Warren III Design & Drafting Software Co. Voice 708-499-0107 Fax Line 708-499-0046 E-Mail rufus [at] design-drafting.com Web Site www.design-drafting.com autodesk authorized developer HP developer www.design-drafting.com www.LDassistant.com www.ACADLighting.com www.CADunit.com www.AutoBLOCK2000.com www.Donenow.com ________________________________________ This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee (s) and may contain information that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, dissemination of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify postmaster [at] design-drafting.com immediately. ________________________________________ Design & Drafting is a division of Chicago Stage Equipment Co. Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:03:29 -1000 Subject: ACL - Hawaii Stop (was Prop Liquor Recipes) From: Janine Myers Message-ID: On 10/25/05, Herrick Goldman wrote: >It was a pleasure to meet Paul and the Gang. It also turns out that our >Spot-op Janine is a stagecraft lurker. Thanks to the staff and crew at the >Hawaii theater for doing a great job on a show that is very tough to pick >up and run with only a no-hour tech. Due to the inclusion of my name in somebody else's post I now am compelled to introduce myself before going back into lurk mode. So, "hi!" (And I hope I'm posting this correctly.) >Now I'm going to the beach. Lucky bastard. And no, just because we live here, doesn't mean we get to go to the beach all the time. Enjoy Maui, and I hope you find a drummer! Janine Myers Lighting Designer, Technician janinemyers [at] hawaii.rr.com cell: (808) 386-4753 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <2319e02d4f58fb856544ad5399b6bdda [at] nyu.edu> Reply-To: Boyd Ostroff From: Mike Voytko Subject: Pani Projection Equip for Sale Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:09:50 -0400 [Passing this along for Boyd and Drew at Opera Co. of Philadelphia. Please contact them, not me, with any inquiries--see below for contact info. Cheers, MV] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:51:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Boyd Ostroff To: Opera Prod List Cc: Drew Billiau Subject: Pani Projection Equip for Sale Well now that we've used video projection for a few shows we're spoiled and have decided our Pani Projectors are not going to get any use :-) Therefore we'd like to offer them for sale to a good home. We'dd prefer to sell the equipment as a whole package so we won't take offers on individual parts at this point. The full package would give you two Pani BP-4 4000 watt HMI projectors with automated 32 slide changers and grayscale shutters which are controlled via DMX-512. One of the projectors is the older style (BIG) units which has had the "turbo" modification. The other is the new style which is more compact and just slightly brighter. In addition to this, we have a few effects add-ons. Here's a list of the basic package along with date of purchase and the original price. Some of this equipment was purchased new and some was used. Bought Description Orig Cost 1994 BP-4 projector (old style) $7,125 1994 G405 dimming shutter $3,938 1994 G503 condensor lens $608 1994 G904 13.5cm lens $4,760 2001 AMD-32 slide changer $7,590 2001 Film loop machine $1,195 2001 Wave effect machine $1,085 2001 mounting bracket $200 2001 BP-4 projector (new style) $7,290 2001 AMD-32 slide changer $4,900 2001 G405 dimming shutter $2,200 2001 platform base $375 ------- TOTAL $41,281 But wait, there's more! We also have also have one, maybe two spare lamps which cost ~$400 each. All the needed power supplies are also included. All equipment has road cases. We will also throw in a power distribution panel with circuit breaker box, tails and ~100' of cable. Everything was working fine the last time this equipment was used (for Don Giovanni in 2002: http://tech.operaphilly.com/sets/giovanni/pix/), however we are selling it strictly "as-is where-is" so caveat emptor. We can arrange for you to inspect the equipment at our shop, however it probably will not be feasible to hook it up and test on site. We would like to get $30,000 for the whole package, but reasonable offers will be considered. Our terms are payment in full prior to shipment. The buyer will be responsible for all shipping costs. We will pay any union loading costs for a full price offer, however lower offers will have to pay their own loading costs (if any - TBD). We will ask you to put down a non-refundable deposit in order to place the equipment on hold. Drop me an e-mail if you're interested or if you have any questions. You can also contact our lighting coordinator Drew Billiau for more detailed technical info. | Boyd Ostroff | Director of Design and Technology | Opera Company of Philadelphia | http://tech.operaphilly.com | ostroff [at] operaphilly.com ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1a4.4286ffeb.30914bcb [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:14:51 EDT Subject: costume list ? Friends, I have heard mention of a costume craft list comparable to this StageCraft list, could someone please direct me to that group ? I have a question I want to pose to them that's not really "on subject" for this group please save the band width and contact me off list many thanks very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Subject: RE: costume list ? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:17:36 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196CA01 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Friends, I have heard mention of a costume craft list=20 > comparable to this=20 > StageCraft list, could someone please direct me to that group ?=20 >=20 > I have a question I want to pose to them that's not really=20 > "on subject" for=20 > this group >=20 > please save the band width and contact me off list No, post to the group...or at least include me in the reply! I'd love to pass it along... ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <158.5c0b5051.30914cef [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:19:43 EDT Subject: Re: costume list ? costumeinfo [at] yahoogroups.com Kristi ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <7f.69bed73d.30915b76 [at] aol.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:21:42 EDT Subject: Re: Lighting booms for dance In a message dated 26/10/05 18:31:08 GMT Daylight Time, tommy [at] etainternet.com writes: > My question: what are your preferred lens heights for ballet and modern > dance lighting? So far, I'm planning 10' booms with a single shin as close > to the deck as possible, a single mid at say 4'-6", and two highs as far > up as I can. How does this sound? As low as is possible, to be able to keep them off the stage floor. I have always had a problem here, since all the ballet I light has been school shows. with many of the dancers under 3'6" high. On safety grounds I have always had to rig the cross-light higher than I should have liked to have done. Higher level lights can come from FOH positions. There must be some frontal lighting, and back lights are also very desirable. I had a recipe which I had developed over many years, which worked within the ststed limitations, and with variarions to cope with sets. No complaiints, and a bottle of whisky every year. When it meant driving 600 miles north through France, taking a ferry, and driving another 100 mileson British roads, and the same to get back to France, I jibbed. That must have been the most expensive bottle of Scotch I ever earned. I resigned as resident LD, and passed the baton on, which is how I got it. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: RE: True DWG Viewer Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:32:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nice, but it doesn't seem to allow any way to take measurements. This is a critical component for me. Laura LD/ Dallas > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of rufus > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 4:00 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: True DWG Viewer > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I know that someone was asking about a free DWG viewers > > Autodesk as releases DWG TrueView it free and can be downloaded at > > http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?id=6035071&siteID=123112 > > You can now view DWG files 100 percent just like AutoCAD can > Previous to the release you would have had to buy the full AutoCAD read > DWG > files > > The DWG format has also changed greatly over the 20-plus years over which > it > has been used > > Trust only DWG TrueView > > Best regards, > > Rufus Warren III > Design & Drafting Software Co. > > Voice 708-499-0107 > Fax Line 708-499-0046 > E-Mail rufus [at] design-drafting.com > Web Site www.design-drafting.com > > autodesk > authorized developer > > HP > developer > > www.design-drafting.com www.LDassistant.com www.ACADLighting.com > www.CADunit.com www.AutoBLOCK2000.com www.Donenow.com > ________________________________________ > This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee (s) and may > contain information that is > PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not the intended recipient, > dissemination of this communication > is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > erase all copies of the message and its > attachments and notify postmaster [at] design-drafting.com immediately. > ________________________________________ > Design & Drafting is a division of Chicago Stage Equipment Co. Inc. > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:34:50 -0700 Dewalt makes an 18v cordless nailer! Keep it loaded with nails, no finding the hammer, no finding the nails and no dings from the pounders who miss. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Litterst" I don't know that we teach it per se, but I was having this same > thought last night as the carpenters were doing last minute touch ups > on the planked show deck after the pneumatics had all been put away. > Amazing how much more portable a hammer and some 4d finish nails are > over the air hose and t-nailer. > > Steve L. > > -- > Stephen C. Litterst > Technical Supervisor > Ithaca College > Dept. of Theatre Arts > 607/274-3947 > slitterst [at] ithaca.edu > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:45:07 -0400 From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: To Hammer or to air compress In-reply-to: Message-id: <000401c5da98$0fef91d0$0201000a [at] Rattys> I can tell you why it'd be good to teach both of those. For the hand drafting, it's nice when things change on the shop floor(it never happens I know) that someone can make an accurate sketch of what the changes are. It's much faster than going to the draftsperson for the change. The hammer thing comes to mind because I just finished a day on the set where we had about 6 carps applying molding to a set (we'll be doing this all week, so there's a lot of it) Often times with molding and using a nailer, brads, what have you, you still need a nailset to punch them in all the way. So I say teach them both, and this is from a guy who mainly does steel work yet owns and uses nearly half a dozen different hand planes. Just my two cents. Josh Ratty -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bob Frame Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:15 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: To Hammer or to air compress For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- A friend and I were having a discussion during the construction/load in of my last show and the subject of hammers came up. Yeah, I'm an oldish Phart and he's a whippersnapper (but on the cusp) He contends that using a hammer is a craft that is no longer needed (sort of like hand drafting). His argument is that the price of compressors/nailers/staplers are well within the price of almost everyone and are so much easier and quicker to use. I of course took the tact that using a hammer teaches hand-eye coordination and how to get a "feel" for the material being worked with as well as using the proper number of fasteners for the joint (more is NOT stronger). So out of curiosity, do you still teach/require the use of hammers or is everything pneumatic or for that matter is everything screwed! What about pro shops? Are Hammers used for more than "persuading"? Bob ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4360380A.CE36D65A [at] cybercom.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:14:35 -0400 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress References: Bob Frame wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > A friend and I were having a discussion during the > construction/load in of my last show and the subject > of hammers came up. Yeah, I'm an oldish Phart and he's > a whippersnapper (but on the cusp) He contends that > using a hammer is a craft that is no longer needed (sort > of like hand drafting). His argument is that the price > of compressors/nailers/staplers are well within the price > of almost everyone and are so much easier and quicker to > use. I of course took the tact that using a hammer > teaches hand-eye coordination and how to get a "feel" for > the material being worked with as well as using the proper > number of fasteners for the joint (more is NOT stronger). > So out of curiosity, do you still teach/require the use > of hammers or is everything pneumatic or for that matter > is everything screwed! What about pro shops? Are Hammers used > for more than "persuading"? Today, a carpenter who cannot use a hammer effectively is not, in my book, a real carpenter. ( Of course, in my book, if you can't harness up a pair of horses to a wagon and haul a load, you aren't a real teamster either. *grins* ) They are both useful tools in their place. Sometimes it's better to use a hammer, sometimes it's better to use a nail gun. Not to mention the differences between a framing nailer, finish nailer, brad nailer, framing hammer, finish hammer, nailset, and so on. I won't go into those heretics who advocate butane powered nail guns, and those guys who nearly killed me with a gunpowder driven nailer. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20051026192326.0204b270 [at] mail.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:32:03 -0700 From: theatre safety programs Subject: re: another pyro incident News accounts of incidents tell us what happened. But they don't tell us much more. These superficial narratives are just that. We don't know what circumstances led to the event, etc. Stuart's questions about the Tommy Lee pyro incident are just questions, the types of questions that need to be asked when an incident takes place in order to determine the root cause. One cannot jump to conclusions or place blame without all of the information. Accidents can happen even when all proper procedures have been followed. An irresponsible actor can sometimes even be the cause. Safety and proper procedures are paramount. Let's make sure we know all the facts before we jump to conclusions and not criticize others who are asking the right questions. Jerry Gorrell Technical Director, City of Phoenix, Phoenix Civic Plaza, Venue Management Division Principal, Theatre Safety Programs Standards Chair, USITT ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43604825.2010905 [at] fuse.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:23:17 -0400 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Another pyro incident References: In-Reply-To: RD wrote: > Ah mr. wheaton again. Well. There are, to me, no minor incidents, I never said there were, I quoted the press release as saying the _injuries_ were minor. >and > whether the pyro was permitted or not, and I think I can have some ideas > about that, I do not like to see anyone injured. Unfortunately, you may not > keep up with as many incidents in the industry as I do, but it is typical of > too many. Thanks for the comment though. Dr. Doom In what way is it typical? Do most pyro effects cause injury to persons? How often does Motley Crue send band mambers to the hospital from pyro injuries? Was this a product problem, a rigging problem, a firing error, or a performer error? After the station fire we all agreed that existing standards of safety were not followed. In this case the effect passed muster from the AHJ, and the Bond of 5 million was posted, sounds like everything was above board. So I ask again, IN WHAT WAY WAS THIS A "Typical" PYRO ACCIDENT? I smell BS and both your and other's evasions are proving my thesis. Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43605DC2.1090302 [at] telus.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:55:30 -0600 From: "RODOK!!!" Subject: les mis Toronto References: In-Reply-To: I'm taking my production team to Toronto from BC to see Les Mis, and hopefully get some ideas for the school adaptation that we have planned for the spring. Anyone out there have any connections with the techs in the Toronto group? It would be great to get a look around. thanks, Rod Osiowy "Wild" Theatre Cranbrook, BC ------------------------------ Subject: Tour information needed Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 01:01:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" Hello all,=20 I am working with our campus presenter to finalize the "Broadway" series = presentations on campus for next season. The two final shows that we are = looking at are "Classical Savion" and "Cirqe Dreams." Has anybody done these shows? If so, and you have a minute, could you = contact me off list so I could ask some questions. The Cirque show in = particular might be a bit ambitious for the venue we have. I do appreciate it ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #562 *****************************