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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #563

 1. Re: ACL - Hawaii Stop (was Prop Liquor Recipes)
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
 2. Catwalk Policy Advice
    by "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
 3. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 4. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
 5. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
 6. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 7. Latex paint removal
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 8. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
 9. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
10. Getting OT: Mafia blocks
    by "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
11. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
12. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
13. Hammers
    by "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
14. Re: Getting OT: Mafia blocks
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
15. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
16. Re: Catwalk Poliy Advice
    by MissWisc [at] aol.com
17. Re: Another pyro incident
    by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
18. Re: Concrete dentures
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
19. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
20. Re: Working alone
    by "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
21. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
22. Re: Working alone
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
23. boom heights
    by Judy <kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il>
24. Re: Working alone
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
25. Re: Working alone
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
26. Re: Latex paint removal
    by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" <raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
27. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
28. Re: Contract Rider Help!!!
    by Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
29. Re: Contract Rider Help!!!
    by Bob Frame <framer [at] cayuga-cc.edu>
30. Re: Working alone
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
31. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
32. costumeinfo [at] yahoogroups.com
    by "David R. Krajec" <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
33. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
34. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
35. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
36. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
37. Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
    by <dale [at] cybercom.net>
38. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
39. Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC?
    by <dale [at] cybercom.net>
40. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by "richard j. archer" <rja10 [at] cornell.edu>
41. Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
42. Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC?
    by Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
43. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
44. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
45. Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
    by "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>
46. Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
47. Tape on a black RP screen
    by "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
48. Re: Tape on a black RP screen
    by "Jared Fortney" <jared.fortney [at] gmail.com>
49. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
50. Re: Tape on a black RP screen
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
51. Re: Contract Rider Help!!!
    by "Jack Morones" <jmorones [at] saddleback.edu>
52. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by "Jack Morones" <jmorones [at] saddleback.edu>
53. Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
54. Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
55. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
56. Re: ACL - Hawaii Stop (was Prop Liquor Recipes)
    by "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
57. Mig gun help
    by Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
58. Re: Mig gun help
    by "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
59. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
60. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
61. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
62. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
63. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
64. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
65. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
66. Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC?
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
67. Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
68. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
69. Re: To Hammer or to air compress
    by Dan Mills <dmills [at] spamblock.demon.co.uk>
70. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
71. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
72. White stains on black commando
    by Todd Lipcon <todd [at] lipcon.org>
73. Re: White stains on black commando
    by Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
74. Re: White stains on black commando
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:13:17 -0400
Subject: Re: ACL - Hawaii Stop (was Prop Liquor Recipes)
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <BF86126D.83A5%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25228520 [at] prxy.net>



The original Drummer from the pit of ACL got flown in today and was playing
2 hours after landing. We opened well. I'm surfing tomorrow. :)


-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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Reply-To: <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
From: "C. Andrew Dunning" <cad [at] landrudesign.com>
Subject: Catwalk Policy Advice
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:50:22 -0500
Organization: Landru Design
Message-ID: <E1EV5LC-0005Xm-H7 [at] smtpauth08.mail.atl.earthlink.net>

Good morning!

I have a client (a church) who is in the process of instituting a new policy
regarding lighting catwalk use.  Would some of you help me as I try to help
them through this process?  I could really use either direction as to where
I might find "official" rules/laws or examples of your actual in-place
policy/practice.

The venue:
They have a rear hanging batten, reachable only by manlift.

They have 3 functional catwalks.  Access is by means of a
permanently-installed steel ladder running up a wall in a back room.  That
ladder provides access to one of the catwalks, which then connects to the
other 2 via a 4th (doesn't function as a hanging location at all) and more
steel ladders.  All catwalks are steel structure with wood flooring.  The
functioning catwalks are all fairly captive - w. multiple rails.  The only
break in the rails is for 2 follow-spot positions, where there are
safety-chains held in place by small shackles.

Save for a larger Christmas event, all labor is volunteer.  At Christmas,
they use a combination of volunteer and professional labor.

Elements of their proposal:
- Marking the area underneath the catwalks with signs and rope or tape with
people are working in them.
- A "buddy system" when someone is working in the catwalks.
- An age-limit of 18 years old.
- Not allowing tools and supplies to be carried up ladders.
- Fall protection harnesses.
- The use of lanyards for tools.
- The use of safeties for fixtures.

Most of this seems to make sense to me.  The only thing that I question is
the requirement for harnesses.  This seems to be a combination of
impractical and over-kill.

Would some of you help me out?

Thank you!
 
C. Andrew Dunning
Landru Design
-
Nashville, TN
-
cad [at] landrudesign.com
www.landrudesign.com



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Subject: RE: Catwalk Policy Advice
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:31:07 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196CA02 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
Cc: cad [at] landrudesign.com

> Most of this seems to make sense to me.  The only thing that=20
> I question is the requirement for harnesses.  This seems to=20
> be a combination of impractical and over-kill.

From my understanding, harnesses are not required where the railings are
intact, as long as the railings meet applicable standards for height,
separation, and strength.  Depending on the width of the breaks for the
follow-spot locations, though, they would probably be required for the
spot ops when the chains are removed; but there, you'd only need them at
those positions, and not all over the entire catwalk.

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Message-ID: <90d9c9980510270539y79768daaqc6d880c1dfaac86 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:39:11 -0400
From: Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Cc: cad [at] landrudesign.com
Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
In-Reply-To: <list-25236667 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25236667 [at] prxy.net>

Andrew,
You have a good looking list. The only part I would like to see
changed is the age limit. I supervise a HS lighting program and, as
some other members here may confirm, HS aged technicians can often
have a skill set to rival us older folks.

Take care, Scott

On 10/27/05, C. Andrew Dunning <cad [at] landrudesign.com> wrote:
 I could really use either direction as to where
> I might find "official" rules/laws or examples of your actual in-place
> policy/practice.
>
> They have 3 functional catwalks.
> - An age-limit of 18 years old.



--
Take care, Scott

=09Scott C. Parker
=09Professor/Technical Director
=09Dept. of Performing Arts
=09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences  [at]  Pace University
=09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F
=09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza
=09New York, NY 10038
=09212-346-1423  Fax: 914-989-8425

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Message-ID: <90d9c9980510270540u2c2cf09aib41c59d7fb0906c7 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:40:31 -0400
From: Scott Parker <scparker [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
In-Reply-To: <list-25237340 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25237340 [at] prxy.net>

The climbing ladders may require fall arrest protection.

On 10/27/05, Paul Schreiner <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > Most of this seems to make sense to me.  The only thing that
> > I question is the requirement for harnesses.  This seems to
> > be a combination of impractical and over-kill.
>
--
Take care, Scott

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Subject: RE: Catwalk Policy Advice
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:57:40 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196CA03 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> The climbing ladders may require fall arrest protection.

Depends on the height.  From OSHA 3124:

"If the total length of the climb on a fixed
ladder equals or exceeds 24 feet (7.3 m), the ladder
must be equipped with ladder safety devices;
or self-retracting lifelines and rest platforms at
intervals not to exceed 150 feet (45.7 m); or a
cage or well and multiple ladder sections with
each ladder section not to exceed 50 feet (15.2 m)
in length. These ladder sections must be offset
from adjacent sections and landing platforms
must be provided at maximum intervals of 50 feet
(15.2 m)."

"Fixed ladders must be provided with cages,
wells, ladder safety devices or self-retracting
lifelines where the length of climb is less than
24 feet (7.3 m) but the top of the ladder is at a
distance greater than 24 feet (7.3 m) above
lower levels." =20

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Subject: Latex paint removal
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:24:54 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196CA05 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

Anyone have a favorite product for removing latex paint from
previously-finished wooden furniture?

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:28:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BF864E32.45A2%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25237340 [at] prxy.net>

Fall arrest is required whenever there is a clear and present danger...as in
no railings on a catwalk...and also when there is a potential for a problem.
Just having railings does not necessarily absolve someone from needing fall
arrest stuff.  What happens the first time a 17 yr old student climbs up on
the railing, ie, using the railing as a ladder, to reach something and then
tumbles over?

Unless there is adequate proof that no danger exists, then I would very
strongly recommend that fall arrest systems be used in the catwalks,
especially in high schools (the kids like to wear them...they think they
look cool) whenever someone goes up there.   The inexpensive harness cost
around $60 each.  Small price to pay AFAIC.

Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>






On 10/27/05 8:31 AM, "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>> Most of this seems to make sense to me.  The only thing that
>> I question is the requirement for harnesses.  This seems to
>> be a combination of impractical and over-kill.
> 
> From my understanding, harnesses are not required where the railings are
> intact, as long as the railings meet applicable standards for height,
> separation, and strength.  Depending on the width of the breaks for the
> follow-spot locations, though, they would probably be required for the
> spot ops when the chains are removed; but there, you'd only need them at
> those positions, and not all over the entire catwalk.



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Message-ID: <001901c5dafd$280f2770$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-25225920 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:48:48 -0700

> It's easy.  You just hit the flat-tip screwdriver real hard and pry.  Be
> safe though.  Disconnect the air and unload the nailer / stapler first.
>

Oh good going.  Now all the pneumatic nailer manufacturers are going to come 
out of lurk mode and go on about not using their products in a fashion they 
weren't designed for... which will lead to people defending their use of 
nailers for everything from counterweights to boat anchors....

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:57:57 -0400
Subject: Getting OT: Mafia blocks
From: "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
Message-ID: <BF865525.1DEB%jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>

Guido wrote (in response to Bill S.):

>> The East River has really strong currents, you see.  And you
>> would want anything floating back to the surface right? <<gg>>

>The East River is soooo declasse'.

>Discriminating thugs use the Hudson.


I've heard that the really mean thugs use both.

-  Jim Dougherty

What someone from New Jersey really says: "What exit?!  What's it to ya?"


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: To Hammer or to air compress
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:00:53 -0400
Message-ID: <000301c5dafe$dbac55e0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-25238044 [at] prxy.net>


> > You just hit the flat-tip screwdriver real hard and pry.  
> > Be safe though.  Disconnect the air and unload the nailer / stapler 
> > first.
> >
> 
> Oh good going.  Now all the pneumatic nailer manufacturers 
> are going to come 
> out of lurk mode and go on about not using their products in 
> a fashion they 
> weren't designed for

...And don't forget the screwdriver manufacturers.



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Message-ID: <b7318c480510270718l2fc3b251y6ef72f8f1549210f [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:18:26 -0400
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress
In-Reply-To: <list-25238044 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25225920 [at] prxy.net> <list-25238044 [at] prxy.net>

This is an interesting discussion.  Lets see,

1) carpenters don't need to know how to use a hammer because nailing
is now pneumatic

2) carpenters don't need to know how to use a saw because everything
can be cut on a CNC router

3) scenic artists are not needed because everything can be "painted"
on large plotters

4) followspot operators are not needed because we just need to put a
sensor on each actor and the spotlights will "track" them about the
stage.

5) automated rigging and deck winches can replaced a lot of stage hands

6) scrollers can replaced floor electricians

Are many schools preparing thier students for this "modern" world of
technical theatre?

-Delbert

--
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions
Phone: 714-585-7070

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:18:52 -0400
Subject: Hammers
From: "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
Message-ID: <BF865A0C.1DF1%jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>

I think that if one prices not just the pneumatic nailer, but also the
fasteners, compressor, hoses, and the other two to five nailers that you
need to meet the full range of things you used to drive with your hammer,
the costs go up a lot more than the couple hundred dollars for the nailer
alone.  Air makes sense in production settings, where you want to move fast
or keep costs down but perhaps not for a limited-use setting.  I'm thinking
about a community theater that does a couple shows a year, a high school
shop, or where you spend a limited amount of time on a job site.  There is a
safety factor involved, too, but I won't even go into that.

The question wasn't whether air nailers were good, though, but whether
hammers were obsolete.  That's just silly.  Like any hand tool, hammers take
some skill, but are a basic indispensable tool.  Someone beat me to the
punch about disassembling, as opposed to assembling, scenery.  A hammer is
great to remove a misdriven staple.  It's light and very portable, too,
compared to all the other stuff including the new electric or butane
portables.  Hammers just let you add force to the blow from your arm, and
not hurt your hand in the process.  I would be very surprised to find any
professional shops or professional technicians that didn't have or use a
hammer.

What I've noticed is that with the increase in use of pneumatics, hammers
have become a very ritzy tool to buy.  You can get them with graphite or
fiberglass handles, titanium heads, with nail holders built in and with
funky square faces.  Cool.

-  Jim Dougherty
ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Department
Hammer enthusiast


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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Getting OT: Mafia blocks
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:28:24 -0400
Message-ID: <000401c5db02$b3f2d2a0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-25238168 [at] prxy.net>


> What someone from New Jersey really says: "What exit?!  
> What's it to ya?"

Q: How many New Jerseyans (New Jerseyites?) does it take to change a light
bulb?

A: Who the #### wants to know?



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In-Reply-To: <list-25238356 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25225920 [at] prxy.net> <list-25238044 [at] prxy.net> <list-25238356 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <AA200C52-862D-439B-A9CD-9DD8812F6851 [at] interstellar.com>
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:43:17 -0700


On Oct 27, 2005, at 7:18 AM, Delbert Hall wrote:

> Are many schools preparing thier students for this "modern" world of
> technical theatre?
>

Sounds like they should be prepared for unemployment.


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From: MissWisc [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1d9.480af2bf.30924279 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:47:21 EDT
Subject: RE: Catwalk Poliy Advice
Cc: cad [at] landrudesign.com


I agree with permitting HS age  students access IF the parents have signed 
off on it in writing. I'd suggest you  not put a specific age limit on it. I 
know 13 year olds who are mature enough  and have the hand skills to do this 
well, but I also know 40 year olds whom I  wouldn't ask to stand on a soap box 
much less take a C-wrench 20 feet into the  air. 

I'd suggest you say someting like "volunteers under the age of 18  must have 
written permission of parents and both teen and parent must complete  training 
together." Ask your local legal advisor to put together a parental  
permission slip that acknowledges that there is a risk of injury, hold harmless,  etc. 
Do this both to help protect the church from law suit damages if something  
were to happen and to scare away anyone who is doing it just because their  
friend says it's cool. 

If mom or dad sits through the training with the  kid and still is willing to 
let Junior climb, you've got a great  worker!

Don't forget EVERYONE, regardless of age, needs to be trained  (light 
hanging/focus, harness, tool teather lines, fall arrest procedures,  etc.). Get proof 
of that in writing. Test them to insure they know what to do,  not merely sat 
through the training. Part of that training should be on  emergency 
procedures if someone were to fall (e.g., don't move the person, call  911, stay with 
person until help arrives, basic first aid/CPR/AED, notify the  following 
people from the church/fill out paperwork, etc.) Again, test to insure  knowledge. 

Might seem burdonsom to start, but you never know when the  person you train 
for that will be the one who correctly applies the AED to the  elderly 
gentleman who just passed out during church and saves his life. Your  local Red Cross 
can provide the first aid/CPR/AED training at low cost.  

Kristi  


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Subject: Re: Another pyro incident
Message-ID: <OFB1A840E8.18558AB8-ON852570A7.005396B8-852570A7.00544F55 [at] sarasotagov.com>
From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:20:58 -0400


Jeff Salzberg mentioned an artistic director and a theater in Florida - I
know that guy and that building. Too bad he was unaware Sarasota County has
a very strict pyro permitting ordinance and not only did he need the
licensed pyrotechnician but a permit and a Fire Marshall present for each
performance as well.  Considering the warm relationship you had with him a
call to the Fire Marshall's office might have been an appropriate parting
gift.

Marty Petlock
Technical Facilities Manager
Van Wezel P.A.H.
Sarasota, FL.



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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:24:21 -1000
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Concrete dentures
Message-id: <004a01c5db0a$81f4ff00$1e8aea48 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p>
References: <list-25236371 [at] prxy.net>


>> "I'm wearing concrete dentures" sad Tom, curbing his tongue.
>
> Did you make this one up or do you have some sort of contextual system
> involved?

<<Google ads apparently has a "Tom Swiftie" setting

Steve L.>>

...erm, feels like pick on Paul week.  Actually, I wrote this one.  I
"write" a lot of them. (More accurately they just kinda occur to me)

("I corrected all my errors" said Tom righting himself., or "I won't turn
left here" said Tom righting himself", "I put down the pronoun meaning 'me'"
said Tom righting himself.)

... although I do maintain lists.

("I've lost the inventory", said Tom listlessly.)

I also have an almost complete collection of Tom Swift Books (probably the
finest books ever written that use the alphabet) although I am still looking
for the Tom Swift Game and the Tom Swift Activity Set (can you imagine the
excitement of all that activity?!) and would gladly trade my copy of "The
Magic of Light" for either.

Laters,

Paul

"Nothing rhymes with orange, said Tom, stepping out of the swinging door
range.



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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:35:02 -0400
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress
In-reply-to: <list-25238356 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <4360F3A6.4080500 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-25225920 [at] prxy.net> <list-25238044 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-25238356 [at] prxy.net>

Delbert Hall asked:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Are many schools preparing their students for this "modern" world of
> technical theatre?
> 
> 1) carpenters don't need to know how to use a hammer because nailing
> is now pneumatic

Check.  Fully pneumatic shop.

> 2) carpenters don't need to know how to use a saw because everything
> can be cut on a CNC router

Not in our shop yet.  Don't have space.  Maybe after our (not planned 
for) renovation.

> 3) scenic artists are not needed because everything can be "painted"
> on large plotters

We have done some scenic pieces on our plotter.  And the designer and 
scenic artist collaborated on processing the image.

> 4) followspot operators are not needed because we just need to put a
> sensor on each actor and the spotlights will "track" them about the
> stage.

Now that's just silly. :)

> 5) automated rigging and deck winches can replaced a lot of stage hands

Got it.  Three automated scenery motors.  One is currently driving 
"Greased Lightning".  (I'm hoping to find time to write up a review of 
the system once the show opens.)

> 6) scrollers can replaced floor electricians

Got them, too.

Don't forget

Electricians don't need to know how to focus a light because the ML 
programmer will set all the focus points.

Sound engineers don't need to know how to plan an edit because Digital 
audio workstations make it easy to undo bad edits.

Prop artisans don't need to know how to mold and cast because 3d 
printing technology will allow them to print out multiple copies of 
small props.

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:47:15 -1000
From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Working alone
Message-id: <004b01c5db0d$b4f17cf0$1e8aea48 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p>
References: <list-25236371 [at] prxy.net>

<<I wonder if the man who fell and died was working
alone. It seems (in schools mostly) that they do not
want to pay enough to staff correctly. How can this be
corrected. Just last night I too was hanging lights
alone. I will no longer put myself in potential danger
when I am alone in a room, but I do still have to work
alone from time to time. When I do my feet stay on the
ground. So, in order to protect ourselves and
colleagues, what can we do to start to change this. I
do what I can by saying no to things I am not
comfortable doing alone, but I am one man lost in a
small town with little impact. It seems we need some
regulation on this, any suggestions???>>

Devils advocate...

I agree with the idea that certain jobs should not be performed alone.

(Please forgive the apparent coldness of the following.  Those who know
meknow I am not like this.  I take death of a person quite seriously.)

That being said, I think the entire argument as stated is specious and
detracts from the truth of the position.

One doesn't "know" why this guy fell, yet one assumes it was he was because
he was working alone.  One then proceeds on a diatribe of the dangers of
doing so, vilifying the powers that be (It seems (in schools mostly) that
they do not want to pay enough to staff correctly).

I guess what I'm saying is, if one is going to use an example in argument,
pick a good example... not one where one "feels", "thinks", "surmises", or
otherwise "intuits" the cause, select one where one knows the cause as a
fact".  To do otherwise weakens one's position in the argument and casts a
doubt on one's integrity and one's position in future arguments.

Enough rant...

I have absolutely no problem working alone.  I simply don't do what takes
two people to do, or is unsafe to do by myself.  I really don't want rules
that will not allow me to work by myself.

Laters

Paul

"It's that Chinese guy over there" said Tom pointedly.



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Message-ID: <b7318c480510270853r40d9a3dao71ba4e445e5e7ea9 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:53:37 -0400
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress
In-Reply-To: <list-25239121 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25225920 [at] prxy.net> <list-25238044 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-25238356 [at] prxy.net> <list-25239121 [at] prxy.net>

>4) followspot operators are not needed because we just need to put a
 >sensor on each actor and the spotlights will "track" them about the
>stage.

>Now that's just silly. :)


Steve, I teach in a "smart classroom" where the video camera can
follow me when I wear the sensor, so it should work for followspots
too.

I liked you additions to my list.

-Delbert

--
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions
Phone: 714-585-7070

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:50:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Working alone
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BF866F84.80DE%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25239236 [at] prxy.net>

Are you saying that he wouldn't have fallen if
he had been working with someone else?  No, I
doubt it.

Since we don't all know the facts, let's all let
this go and move on to something else.

Steve

> From: "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:47:15 -1000
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Working alone

> One doesn't "know" why this guy fell, yet one assumes it was he was because
> he was working alone. 


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Message-ID: <4360F938.7020003 [at] post.tau.ac.il>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:58:48 +0200
From: Judy <kupfer [at] post.tau.ac.il>
Subject: boom heights

>
>
>My question: what are your preferred lens heights for ballet and modern
>dance lighting? So far, I'm planning 10' booms with a single shin as close
>to the deck as possible, a single mid at say 4'-6", and two highs as far
>up as I can. How does this sound?
>
Sounds to me like you won't have enough low height instruments. For 
modern dance as well as the shins I always need at least one circuit 
just above head height, which would be between 5 and 6 feet. Other 
people here have lately started using mids at around stomach height, 
personally I don't like that but it's become popular. For classical 
ballet, definitely at least 2 circuits at about 8' or more.



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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:07:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Working alone
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BF867384.45D3%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25239236 [at] prxy.net>

My riggers do not work alone.  Ever.  My common sense tells me that if
something goes wrong; an accident, heart attack...whatever, then there is
someone there who can respond to the situation.

But that's me.

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>




On 10/27/05 11:47 AM, "Paul Guncheon" <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net> wrote:

> I have absolutely no problem working alone.  I simply don't do what takes
> two people to do, or is unsafe to do by myself.  I really don't want rules
> that will not allow me to work by myself.



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Message-ID: <b7318c480510270909v4f8aaf10sbae90bfc882bf4b2 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:09:24 -0400
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Working alone
In-Reply-To: <list-25239236 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25236371 [at] prxy.net> <list-25239236 [at] prxy.net>

On 10/27/05, Paul Guncheon <paul.guncheon [at] verizon.net> wrote:

> One doesn't "know" why this guy fell, yet one assumes it was he was becau=
se
> he was working alone.

Fall protection does not prevent accidents, but it does reduce the
likelyhood of a fatal accident.  Having a second person around when
you are working at heights is just another means of reducing the
likelyhood of a fatal accient. No one knows why he fell and I do not
assume he fell because was working alone.   However, his DEATH may
have been prevented if someone had been around to call 911.

-Delbert

--
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX -Technical Coordinator for Classic Productions
Phone: 714-585-7070

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:13:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Latex paint removal
From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" <raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
Message-ID: <BF8674FB.DE7%raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-25237780 [at] prxy.net>

If you are talking about spots & splatters, OOOOOOPPs Yes that's the name
(if not the spelling) or Goof Off.  Both work well at small stuff that
should not be there.  They are not strippers and I would not use them for
refinishing.

-- 
Merel Ray-Pfeifer
Technical Director
Dept of Speech Comm. & Dramatic Arts
Central Michigan University
Mt Pleasant, MI  48858

989/774-6594



On 10/27/05 9:24 AM, "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Anyone have a favorite product for removing latex paint from
> previously-finished wooden furniture?


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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:40:06 -0400
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress
In-reply-to: <list-25239309 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <436102E6.1060508 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-25225920 [at] prxy.net> <list-25238044 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-25238356 [at] prxy.net> <list-25239121 [at] prxy.net> <list-25239309 [at] prxy.net>

Delbert Hall wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------

> Steve, I teach in a "smart classroom" where the video camera can
> follow me when I wear the sensor, so it should work for followspots
> too.

Oh I know the technology is out there.  I've worked with some of it. 
That was the source of my smiley (since edited out).  It seems that 
that technology dropped off the face of entertainment about three 
years ago.  Martin had several tracking systems and had introduced 
self-tracking lights similar to your classroom camera.  Wybron still 
offers the Autopilot II, but it's not something you hear about often.

I think it's an interesting technology, but not something I'm pushing 
to offer in the classroom.  At least not at the undergraduate level, 
anyway.

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Subject: Re: Contract Rider Help!!!
Message-ID: <OF2588FED9.E6AFE29A-ON852570A7.00546EF5-852570A7.005CC8FA [at] sarasotagov.com>
From: Marty_Petlock [at] sarasotagov.com
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:53:32 -0400


I appreciate Maurice Moe Conn's dilemma. It's true someone signed a
contract, probably someone who was clueless as to what the tech
requirements meant. I'd lay odds the person who signed the contract will be
nowhere in sight when the road crew arrives for set up. The T.D. will and
that's who will catch whatever grief for not being ready. Actually many
acts will be gracious and work with what you've got, some won't and will
take it out on the T.D.

I hope we all subscribe to the same philosophy that our jobs are to make
the best show possible happen so aside from who's the dummy if it were my
venue I'd call the Artists' Production Manager, head roadie, whatever and
discuss the situation. They may have the gel, they may be willing to work
with what's available but if not the proper channel is for them to contact
their agent, it's the agent's job call the promoter to remind them they
agreed to provide what's in the contract they signed. The road crew will
appreciate the heads up and bottom line; like most folks in the industry,
they'll cut you a lot of slack if they know you care.


Marty Petlock
Technical Facilities Manager
Van Wezel P.A.H.
Sarasota, FL.



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From: "Maurice Moe Conn" <t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com>
Subject: Contract Rider Help!!!
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:09:06 +0000

Hey List,

I need your help, Please!

I have a former student working in a High Shcool Theatre as the TD/jack of
all trades, the area  Fine Arts Assoc. has brought in a Mark Twain
impersonator. to perform in her space.

She received the contract rider for the guy which included lighting needs,
focus and gel, dressing room needs...and so on.  The TD needed gels for
some
of the requests made by Twain, in his rider, The TD asked the Fine Art
Assoc, to please purchase the needed Gels (4 sheets).  Don't go into the
school should have gel, that is a different issue.  Upon doing so, a member

from the Fine Art Assoc. and a member of the Board of Ed. came into the
Theatre and turned on various lights, then proceeded to tell the TD the
lights were good enough and not to refocus or change gels.

Now correct me here, if I am wrong, if the contract has been signed, then
the TD has an obligation to meet the needs in the rider, right? (she knows
this).  What should her course of action be?  I told her she needed to talk

to her principle at the school to Cover her Butt, so someone above her has
been made aware of the situation, Should she also contact the Fine Art
Assoc. President?

It was also said the TD did not know how to do her job or run the facility,

by the member of the Fine Art Assoc. member, a job she has been doing for
over a year.

Any Suggestions or help would be appreciated.

Moe




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Message-ID: <2FDDC3C2F5B5F4499C096779EF5493B902CE41D1 [at] exchange-nt.cayuga-cc.edu>
From: Bob Frame <framer [at] cayuga-cc.edu>
Subject: re: Contract Rider Help!!!
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:52:43 -0400

No matter what your student does, yes she needs to document. However
it all comes down to the talent and how they react.  If they're playing
in a High School (and are 'veterans') they are already aware of the fact 
that their rider is seen as "optional" by the promoters.  In many HS the
Music teacher/English teacher/student tech/custodian or whoever is
responsible
for the space never even gets to see the rider.  "Oh, you needed 4
stagehands
to help load-in?" "Just push this button on the wall and the lights all come
on"
"I don't know where the key is to unlock those weight thingys on the wall"
"we're not allowed to use ladders". I get sick from what I've seen.

Yes there is an obligation to provide what the rider requires, it's as
legally
binding as the rest of the contract.  But the promoters need to either 
understand the terminology used or trust the person they employ to interpret
for them, neither of which seems to be the case here. 

I certainly don't mean to disparage those HS programs that take their job's
seriously/professionally, but they are the exception rather than the rule. 
The fact that your former student is aware that there is a problem already
puts her ahead of the pack.  Yes she needs to make her supervisor/principal
aware of the problem.  She also needs to figure out how she can work around
the situation she has been placed in.  Do a "Frank"- Can't provide the color
for the lights but the focus/control is correct, etc.  Let the talent then 
decide how they will react.  If the PTB have been informed of the "lights
are good enough" situation and the talent decides to make a stink her butt
is covered, and if she has "options" she becomes the savior and shows she
does know how to run the facility.  (BTW if the Fine arts comm. member made
that comment in public, couldn't that be libel?) I might also suggest that
she make contact with the talent- NO, NOT THE AGENT (sorry, that yell just 
jumped out of my fingers--agents and outdated rides **shudder** If I had a 
nickel....)Of course there is also the "I feel sick" ploy and let the 
Fine arts Comm. member and Board of Ed member who's lights are "good enough"
meet the talent and run the show. 

My $.02

Bob Frame


**original message with snippage**
>From: "Maurice Moe Conn" <t8rtekguy [at] hotmail.com>
>Subject: Contract Rider Help!!!
>Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:09:06 +0000
>
>
>I have a former student working in a High Shcool Theatre as the TD/jack of 
>all trades, the area  Fine Arts Assoc. has brought in a Mark Twain 
>impersonator. to perform in her space.
>
> Upon doing so, a member 
>from the Fine Art Assoc. and a member of the Board of Ed. came into the 
>Theatre and turned on various lights, then proceeded to tell the TD the 
>lights were good enough and not to refocus or change gels.
>
>Now correct me here, if I am wrong, if the contract has been signed, then 
>the TD has an obligation to meet the needs in the rider, right? 
>
>It was also said the TD did not know how to do her job or run the facility,

>by the member of the Fine Art Assoc. member, a job she has been doing for 
>over a year.
>

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Subject: RE: Working alone
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:55:15 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196CA07 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> Fall protection does not prevent accidents, but it does=20
> reduce the likelyhood of a fatal accident.  Having a second=20
> person around when you are working at heights is just another=20
> means of reducing the likelyhood of a fatal accient.=20

Even with fall protection, it's important to remember that it is
immensely difficult to rescue yourself when you're suspended by your
harness out in free space.  And with the cut of harnesses as they
usually are, I kow it'd be tough for me to reach my cell phone if I
needed to under those circumstances.

It's one thing to work alone on the floor, another thing to work alone
with a Genie lift, and a third to work alone in a situation requiring a
harness.  I'll do the first one, easy--in fact, usually quicker than if
I had help (considering most of my help is un- to moderatly-trained
students).  I'll do the second, but it's not a preference.  The third I
avoid at all costs.

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <7f.69d4480a.3092684d [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:28:45 EDT
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress

In a message dated 27/10/05 03:13:48 GMT Daylight Time, dale [at] cybercom.net 
writes:

>  I won't go into those heretics
>  who advocate butane powered nail guns, and those guys
>  who nearly killed me with a gunpowder driven nailer.

The explosive-powered nail guns are extremely useful, if properly and safely 
used. They will drive suitable 'nails' into structural steel beams, reinforced 
concrete, and so on. In the UK, the best known manufacturer is Hilty. Before 
they will let you buy one, they give you a course on how to use it.


Frank Wood

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Reply-To: <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
From: "David R. Krajec" <drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
Subject: costumeinfo [at] yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:31:46 -0500
Message-ID: <FFEKLPMABANLAIDPOAKBMEKLCOAA.drkrajec [at] stritch.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-25236371 [at] prxy.net>

USITT Costume Design & Technology Commission has a Yahoo Group listserv to
which you can subscribe.

Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/costumeinfo

Enjoy!

David K.



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1a3.3f7fbe1e.3092702d [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:02:21 EDT
Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice

In a message dated 27/10/05 11:52:38 GMT Daylight Time, cad [at] landrudesign.com 
writes:

> They have 3 functional catwalks.  Access is by means of a
>  permanently-installed steel ladder running up a wall in a back room.  That
>  ladder provides access to one of the catwalks, which then connects to the
>  other 2 via a 4th (doesn't function as a hanging location at all) and more
>  steel ladders.  All catwalks are steel structure with wood flooring.  The
>  functioning catwalks are all fairly captive - w. multiple rails.  The only
>  break in the rails is for 2 follow-spot positions, where there are
>  safety-chains held in place by small shackles.

We have a somewhat similar installation, with five catwalks. All have full 
headroom, apart from where you have tu duck through the structural steel work. 
Additionally, they are linked by shorter catwalks linking the catwalks 
up-and-down stage. This is because we very often work on our big thrust stage, and 
sometimes in the round. There is a sixth, which conforms to the curve of the 
cyclorama. See www.questors.org.uk for more information.

They are accessed by a gallery running round the theatre, again with full 
height. All the rails are suitable for hanging lanterns, being of 2" OD steel 
pipe. So is the safety rail on the gallery. This provides great versatility in 
hanging lanterns, and easy access, since the control room has two doors giving 
on to the gallery, which is also where lanterns are stored.
>  
>  Save for a larger Christmas event, all labor is volunteer.  At Christmas,
>  they use a combination of volunteer and professional labor.

We are all volunteer.
>  
>  Elements of their proposal:
>  - Marking the area underneath the catwalks with signs and rope or tape with
>  people are working in them.

We hang notices which say "People working Overhead". 

>  - A "buddy system" when someone is working in the catwalks.

I don't know that I see this as necessary. Even if you are somewhat unsteady 
on your feet, as I am, there are enough things to grab hols of.

>  - An age-limit of 18 years old.

Probably sensible. Your insurers may require it, anyway.

>  - Not allowing tools and supplies to be carried up ladders.

This is seldom sensible.

>  - Fall protection harnesses.

As you say, nonsense. 

>  - The use of lanyards for tools.

I have always found these very inconvenient. In the UK, the lanterns are 
positioned with wing bolts and nuts. Scaffolding spanners are in use at the 
get-in, sometimes.. But they get in the way.

>  - The use of safeties for fixtures.

I have my own views on this. Look back in the archives to find them. With the 
UK mild steel clamps, I regard them as a waste of time. With the US cast-iron 
C-clamps, less so.
 
>  Most of this seems to make sense to me.  The only thing that I question is
>  the requirement for harnesses.  This seems to be a combination of
>  impractical and over-kill.

Certainly. 



Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <156.5c6f16b1.30927117 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:06:15 EDT
Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice

In a message dated 27/10/05 13:43:33 GMT Daylight Time, scparker [at] gmail.com 
writes:

> The climbing ladders may require fall arrest protection.

Fer cry eye eye!!

How the hell do you climb a ladder, even a vertical one, having to latch your 
fall protection gear on at every step?


Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <14.508b39bc.30927196 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:08:22 EDT
Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice

In a message dated 27/10/05 13:59:23 GMT Daylight Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu 
writes:

> Depends on the height.  From OSHA 3124:
>  
>  "If the total length of the climb on a fixed
>  ladder equals or exceeds 24 feet (7.3 m), the ladder
>  must be equipped with ladder safety devices;
>  or self-retracting lifelines and rest platforms at
>  intervals not to exceed 150 feet (45.7 m); or a
>  cage or well and multiple ladder sections with
>  each ladder section not to exceed 50 feet (15.2 m)
>  in length. These ladder sections must be offset
>  from adjacent sections and landing platforms
>  must be provided at maximum intervals of 50 feet
>  (15.2 m)."
>  
>  "Fixed ladders must be provided with cages,
>  wells, ladder safety devices or self-retracting
>  lifelines where the length of climb is less than
>  24 feet (7.3 m) but the top of the ladder is at a
>  distance great

God save us!!

Frank Wood

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:11:48 -0400
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
In-reply-to: <list-25240806 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43611864.9080306 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-25240806 [at] prxy.net>

FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
>>The climbing ladders may require fall arrest protection.

> Fer cry eye eye!!
> 
> How the hell do you climb a ladder, even a vertical one, having to latch your 
> fall protection gear on at every step?

Slowly?  Ba-dum bum!

At the basic level, there are a myriad of self-retracting life lines 
available for this very task. On the more advanced level, there are 
fall arrest ascending systems that can be designed into the ladder.

I know it sounds inconvenient and bothersome, but much less than 
falling off a ladder 60' off the ground would be.

Steve l.
-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:51:31 -0400
From:  <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
Reply-to: <dale [at] cybercom.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-25212168 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25212168 [at] prxy.net>

On 4:35:13 pm 10/25/05 "Ben Thoron" <bthoron [at] theoldglobe.org> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net
> />
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I'd love to hear about everybody's favorite clear floor stories.  The
> set designer would like a clear floor but ½ inch Lexan is too expensive
> these days.  Are there any other great solutions?   
> Ben Thoron | technical director | the old globe | 619-235-2260 |
> 619-231-1037-fax | bthoron [at] theoldglobe.org  
>

  Well, the US Air Force is experimenting with transparent 
aluminum for cockpit windows and canopies.  $15 per 
square inch is a little steep for flooring though.  

  --Dale


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Subject: RE: Catwalk Policy Advice
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:05:40 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196CA08 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> How the hell do you climb a ladder, even a vertical one,=20
> having to latch your=20
> fall protection gear on at every step?

The one system I know of fairly intimately (since I installed it at my
last venue) had a vertical lifeline (steel wire rope--not aircraft
cable, though) that was permanently mounted on the front of the ladder
about three inches from the rungs, running the full length.  The climber
would get into a harness and attach a little gripper thingy (which was
in turn attached to the harness via locking carabiner and D-rings in the
middle of the chest) to the lifeline (or, as we did it, leave the
gripper/carabiner arrangement attached to the lifeline and attach those
to the rings on the harness).

The gripper travels freely when climbing in either direction; but when a
sudden drop in altitude is mechanically detected, it holds fast.  I
could activate it by keeping my feet on the rungs and basically just
dropping my butt as if I were falling.  It had something like a 330#
weight rating, too.  Much less inconvenient than it sounds, in practice.
And considering this was a 40' tall ladder with no cage, it made me
hesitate a lot less when I got it in place.

Granted, that begged the question of what people who install fall arrest
systems use for fall arrest themselves...

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Message-ID: <02fc1ad75bb59b1956cb4e05aa30c8ce [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:57:52 -0400
From:  <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Subject: Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC?
Reply-to: <dale [at] cybercom.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-25212691 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25212691 [at] prxy.net>

On 5:29:20 pm 10/25/05 Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net
> />
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Try the tent companies.  Stamford tents in Stamford, CT is one good
> source. Maybe Party Rentals has them also, not sure.  (they're the
> guys with the pink hippo's on their trucks)  Starr tents may also
> have them, but I don't know where Starr is these days.
>  
  The tent companies I've been seeing lately have pretty much 
gone over to using plastic 55 gallon drums that are filled 
with water once installed.  Way easier and cheaper to transport 
than whacking great lumps of concrete.   
  Also consider a 'jersey barrier'.  Highway construction companies 
have these readily available pretty much anywhere in the US.  

  --Dale


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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:02:34 -0500
From: "richard j. archer" <rja10 [at] cornell.edu>
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress

>.........
>
>>4) followspot operators are not needed because we just need to put a
>>sensor on each actor and the spotlights will "track" them about the
>>stage.
>
>Now that's just silly. :)


>Stephen C. Litterst
>Technical Supervisor
>Ithaca College



Now wait a minute.  I was at a Martin demo at Ithaca College where 
they needed one  spot operator and  other lights "tracked" with the 
manual spot.

Dick A
TD, Cornell U



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Subject: RE: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:07:04 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196CA09 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
Cc: dale [at] cybercom.net

>   Well, the US Air Force is experimenting with transparent=20
> aluminum for cockpit windows and canopies.  $15 per=20
> square inch is a little steep for flooring though. =20

I hear the project was dealt a major setback when James Doohan died...

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Message-ID: <20051027191032.80847.qmail [at] web81902.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:10:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Heinicke <mheinicke [at] sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC?
Cc: dale [at] cybercom.net
In-Reply-To: <list-25241628 [at] prxy.net>

--- dale [at] cybercom.net wrote:
>   The tent companies I've been seeing lately have
> pretty much 
> gone over to using plastic 55 gallon drums that are
> filled 
> with water once installed.  Way easier and cheaper
> to transport 
> than whacking great lumps of concrete.   
>   Also consider a 'jersey barrier'.  Highway
> construction companies 
> have these readily available pretty much anywhere in
> the US.  
> 
>   --Dale
> 
> 

How do they anchor to the drum?
The one disadvantage that I can see with the water
drums is that they will be significantly lighter in
weight. About 450lbs compared to the 2000lbs or so
that people said mafia blocks weigh.

Mike H

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: To Hammer or to air compress
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:11:38 -0400
Message-ID: <001101c5db2a$4499b2c0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-25239121 [at] prxy.net>

 
> > 6) scrollers can replaced floor electricians
> 
> Got them, too.

Old technology; LEDs are the wave of the future.



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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: To Hammer or to air compress
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:14:44 -0400
Message-ID: <001201c5db2a$b3a6ce50$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-25239309 [at] prxy.net>


> Steve, I teach in a "smart classroom" where the video camera 
> can follow me when I wear the sensor, so it should work for 
> followspots too.

Speaking of which, I haven't seen any discussion of the Autopilot lately.
Anyone?



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Subject: RE: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:14:52 -0700
Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C08A [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu>
From: "Storms, Randy" <rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu>


I never understood why the whale tank needed to be transparent....
-- r.
Randy Storms
rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu
_________________________
>   Well, the US Air Force is experimenting with transparent=20
> aluminum for cockpit windows and canopies.  $15 per=20
> square inch is a little steep for flooring though. =20

I hear the project was dealt a major setback when James Doohan died...

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Subject: RE: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:19:59 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196CA0B [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> I never understood why the whale tank needed to be transparent....

IIRC, it was a strength issue.  But that then raises the question that
if transparent aluminum is so incredibly strong, why weren't ships'
hulls made out of it?

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:36:04 -0500
Subject: Tape on a black RP screen
From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" <clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
Message-ID: <BF869654.139B%clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-25241619 [at] prxy.net>

Hello all,

Situation:
I need a 90" X 125", Black, rear projection screen. I can buy 110" material
which would do just fine but I'm trying to save a little coin by going with
the 55" material. 

Questions:
If I buy the, within-my-budget, 55" screen and tape it together how visible
will the seam be when I throw an image on it?

OR,

Should I bite the bullet and buy the 100" material?

Does anyone out there have any experience or have any awesome advice to
offer? Better yet, a free or borrowable piece of screen geographically
convenient to Muncie?

Thanks!
-- 
Curtis L. Mortimore
Technical Director
Ball State University
Department of Theatre and Dance
Muncie, IN 47306
<clmortimore [at] bsu.edu>


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From: "Jared Fortney" <jared.fortney [at] gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Tape on a black RP screen
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:52:49 -0400
In-reply-to: <list-25242057 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <43613019.350ad51f.0570.7fcf [at] mx.gmail.com>

Curtis,

I was in a similar position a few years back and I can report that taping
together black RP is effective, depending on how pristine your image needs
to be.  I taped up a screen that was roughly 12' square using standard
packing tape on both sides of the joint.  The screen was then gaff taped to
a steel frame.  The final result was serviceable as an integrated part of a
set with fairly busy, vibrant video projected upon it.  

You might also try contacting the vendors for 110" remnants and roll ends
they have lying around.  

-Jared Fortney


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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:56:32 -0400
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BF86A930.8108%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25241745 [at] prxy.net>

A friend of mine works for a major LED developer.
I just asked him the other day about the possibility
of using LEDs in spotlights.  He said they wouldn't
work.  Lots of light close up, but no carrying power
for distance.  You can see them from a great distance
away.  You just can't illuminate objects that are
a great distance away.  That's the way he explained
it.

Steve

> From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:11:38 -0400
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
>>> 6) scrollers can replaced floor electricians
>> 
>> Got them, too.
> 
> Old technology; LEDs are the wave of the future.
> 
> 


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Message-ID: <436135C8.8040807 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:17:12 -0400
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To:  Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Tape on a black RP screen
References: <list-25242057 [at] prxy.net>

Curtis,
I can make you a deal on some goods that I have a remnants from my big 
Elephant Man RP screen project.  I  paid the catalog price for 55" goods 
and seamed it one side with 3M heavy packing tape. It has worked fine 
for the 24' x 26' screen and the two smaller ones as well. No joinery 
visible from the front.  I suggest not seaming the front as the tape is 
glossy and will show against the matte surface of the screen material. 
in the size you need, single sided should be OK.
I will be in my shop tonite and can get a measure on my remnants and 
give you a price.  Contact me off list if interested after that.
Steve Rees, TD
SUNY-Fredonia

PS.  I am willing to come down on the price I listed for my 
screens/material as I got no bites from my last listing.  I strike the 
screens on 11/1 and will have a either three screens or many feet of 55" 
black Rosco screen available.

SER

Curtis L. Mortimore wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Situation:
> I need a 90" X 125", Black, rear projection screen. I can buy 110" material
> which would do just fine but I'm trying to save a little coin by going with
> the 55" material. 
> 
> Questions:
> If I buy the, within-my-budget, 55" screen and tape it together how visible
> will the seam be when I throw an image on it?
> 
> OR,
> 
> Should I bite the bullet and buy the 100" material?
> 
> Does anyone out there have any experience or have any awesome advice to
> offer? Better yet, a free or borrowable piece of screen geographically
> convenient to Muncie?
> 
> Thanks!



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From: "Jack Morones" <jmorones [at] saddleback.edu>
Subject: RE: Contract Rider Help!!!
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:36:21 -0700
Organization: Saddleback College
Message-ID: <000001c5db36$17914340$6400a8c0 [at] SCJACKLT>
In-Reply-To: <list-25221779 [at] prxy.net>

Have her put everything in writing.

Such as "I am attempting to meet the requirements of the contract" and
"I have been prevented from fulfilling the technical rider".  Make sure
you have a paper trail that specifically directs you to violate the
technical rider.

Now, of course, if the upper suits had been thinking, and they do not
want the lighting set up to change, they could have a) declined the
guest appearance b) changed the rider c) contacted the artist and come
to an agreement about lighting needs.  I just love it went presenters
sign an agreement and then leave it to us grunts to clean up the mess.

Good luck.

Jack R. Morones
Production Manager
McKinney Theatre



-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Maurice
Moe Conn
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:09 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Contract Rider Help!!!


For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
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Hey List,

I need your help, Please!

I have a former student working in a High Shcool Theatre as the TD/jack
of 
all trades, the area  Fine Arts Assoc. has brought in a Mark Twain 
impersonator. to perform in her space.

She received the contract rider for the guy which included lighting
needs, 
focus and gel, dressing room needs...and so on.  The TD needed gels for
some 
of the requests made by Twain, in his rider, The TD asked the Fine Art 
Assoc, to please purchase the needed Gels (4 sheets).  Don't go into the

school should have gel, that is a different issue.  Upon doing so, a
member 
from the Fine Art Assoc. and a member of the Board of Ed. came into the 
Theatre and turned on various lights, then proceeded to tell the TD the 
lights were good enough and not to refocus or change gels.

Now correct me here, if I am wrong, if the contract has been signed,
then 
the TD has an obligation to meet the needs in the rider, right? (she
knows 
this).  What should her course of action be?  I told her she needed to
talk 
to her principle at the school to Cover her Butt, so someone above her
has 
been made aware of the situation, Should she also contact the Fine Art 
Assoc. President?

It was also said the TD did not know how to do her job or run the
facility, 
by the member of the Fine Art Assoc. member, a job she has been doing
for 
over a year.

Any Suggestions or help would be appreciated.

Moe







Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charlty Ride. Check
out 
www.lrlr.org for more information



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From: "Jack Morones" <jmorones [at] saddleback.edu>
Subject: RE: To Hammer or to air compress
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:44:11 -0700
Organization: Saddleback College
Message-ID: <000101c5db37$2fa58cb0$6400a8c0 [at] SCJACKLT>
In-Reply-To: <list-25225190 [at] prxy.net>

We mostly use pneumatic, screws or bolts.  I use hand nailing for
decorative purposes and some props.

I expect my carpenters to know how to use a hammer, but we rarely hand
nail scenery.

Jack R. Morones
Production Manager
McKinney Theatre



-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Matthew
Breton
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:49 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress


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>So out of curiosity, do you still teach/require the use
>of hammers or is everything pneumatic or for that matter
>is everything screwed!  What about pro shops? Are Hammers used for more

>than "persuading"?

For one thing, I've never seen anyone disassemble a flat using a
pneumatic 
stapler.  :P

They're all different tools (pneumatic staplers, screwguns, and hammer +

nails), and used in different fashions, even though they perform the
same 
task.  When I'm building houses, I'll use the nailgun, thankyou -- it
should 
be able to stand for a century or more.  Most of my theater sets live
for 
about five weeks, and then get turned into other things.  I'd rather be
able 
to re-use pieces, or disassemble them smoothly, then sand off what had
been 
a glued-together joint.  YMMV.


-- Matt

========

_________________________________________________________________
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Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051027135326.035328b0 [at] 192.168.0.13>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:54:25 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
In-Reply-To: <list-25241660 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25241660 [at] prxy.net>

At 12:07 PM 10/27/2005, you wrote:
> >   Well, the US Air Force is experimenting with transparent
> > aluminum for cockpit windows and canopies.  $15 per
> > square inch is a little steep for flooring though.
>
>I hear the project was dealt a major setback when James Doohan died...

Isn't transparent aluminum a variation on sapphire?  I know several 
gem stones are based on aluminum.


-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051027135506.03530030 [at] 192.168.0.13>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:55:59 -0700
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
In-Reply-To: <list-25241864 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25241864 [at] prxy.net>

At 12:19 PM 10/27/2005, you wrote:
> > I never understood why the whale tank needed to be transparent....
>
>IIRC, it was a strength issue.  But that then raises the question that
>if transparent aluminum is so incredibly strong, why weren't ships'
>hulls made out of it?

I figured it was just so they could use some computer graphics to 
SHOW you that there was a whale there.  Otherwise you have a blank 
wall marked "whale in here".  :)



-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: To Hammer or to air compress
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:00:47 -0400
Message-ID: <001701c5db39$84a14ef0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-25242314 [at] prxy.net>



> You just can't illuminate objects that are
> a great distance away.

Sure you can; you just need lots of LEDs.

I use LED PARS on about 75% of my shows; I'm told by some R&D folks that a
focusing unit may be as little as a year away.



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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:34:56 -0500
From: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Message-ID: <1123316045.20051027163456 [at] tcon.net>
Subject: Re: ACL - Hawaii Stop (was Prop Liquor Recipes)
In-Reply-To: <list-25228520 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25228520 [at] prxy.net>

Howdy !

Wednesday, October 26, 2005, Janine Myers wrote:

> just because we live here, doesn't mean we get to go to the beach
> all the time.

In the years I was with the Polynesian Cultural Center theatre, I
never got to the beach as often as I'd wanted, but the drive down the
hill toward Kam Highway with the Pacific beyond was always spectacular,
and it was nice to know that I COULD go to the beach if I played
hooky sufficiently well.

A hui hou,
  Frank E. Merrill
  MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
  Indianapolis
  Established 1946
  www.merrillstage.com 

  Running THE BAT!  Natural e-mail system v.3.60          mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net

   


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Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien)
From: Mark O'Brien <marko [at] email.arizona.edu>
Subject: Mig gun help
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:53:20 -0700

I'm looking for some help.

I have a Millermatic 200 welder with a #2 Tweko gun.  The gun either 
need rebuilding, or replaced.  I like the gun very much, however, I 
have seen other brands (Paraweld) that are a direct replacement.  Has 
anyone had experience with other brands of MIG guns that they would 
like to share?

BTW, I REALLY hated the Miller gun that came with the machine.

Mark-O

Mark O'Brien
Opera Technical Director
University of Arizona, School of Music
Tucson, AZ
520/621-7025
520/591-1803 Mobile

Santos / McGarry in 2006


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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:10:39 -0700
From: "Mt. Angel Performing Arts Center" <admin [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
Subject: Re: Mig gun help
In-reply-to: <list-25243388 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <4361505F.2000808 [at] mtangelperformingarts.com>
References: <list-25242678 [at] prxy.net> <list-25243388 [at] prxy.net>

Mark O'Brien wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm looking for some help.
>
> I have a Millermatic 200 welder with a #2 Tweko gun.  The gun either 
> need rebuilding, or replaced.  I like the gun very much, however, I 
> have seen other brands (Paraweld) that are a direct replacement.  Has 
> anyone had experience with other brands of MIG guns that they would 
> like to share?
>
> BTW, I REALLY hated the Miller gun that came with the machine.
>

Rebuilding makes a lot of sense if you like the gun and are reasonably 
handy.

The most common repair is replacing the liner - 20 minutes or so for a 
'like new' running welder and the Tweco parts are readily available.

Carla




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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:34:23 -0400
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress
In-reply-to: <list-25241635 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <436155EF.4080804 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-25225920 [at] prxy.net> <list-25238044 [at] prxy.net>
 <list-25238356 [at] prxy.net> <list-25239121 [at] prxy.net> <list-25241635 [at] prxy.net>

richard j. archer wrote:

> Now wait a minute.  I was at a Martin demo at Ithaca College where they 
> needed one  spot operator and  other lights "tracked" with the manual spot.

Yep.  At the same demo the MAC 2ks tracked the performer with no 
operator.  My "silly" comment was meant to be a tongue-in-cheek stab 
at technology that hit the heights of hype and then apparently 
disappeared.  Can't even find the Trackpod or Lighting Director on 
eBay these days.

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <146.4fce0331.3092b59e [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:58:38 EDT
Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice

In a message dated 27/10/05 19:13:35 GMT Daylight Time, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu 
writes:

> At the basic level, there are a myriad of self-retracting life lines 
>  available for this very task. On the more advanced level, there are 
>  fall arrest ascending systems that can be designed into the ladder.
>  
>  I know it sounds inconvenient and bothersome, but much less than 
>  falling off a ladder 60' off the ground would be.

OK, Steve. But I have a responsibility to myself. If I am asked to climb a 
ladder on which I don't feel I should be safe, I shan't do it. Thirty years ago, 
I should have had no problems. Nowadays, I should.

It's called old age.



Frank Wood

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <21e.1268f05.3092b6a4 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:03:00 EDT
Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice

In a message dated 27/10/05 20:07:16 GMT Daylight Time, pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu 
writes:

> The one system I know of fairly intimately (since I installed it at my
>  last venue) had a vertical lifeline (steel wire rope--not aircraft
>  cable, though)

 Somewhat off topic, but I think relevant. Just what is the difference 
between steel wire rope and aircraft cable? 



Frank Wood

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Subject: RE: Catwalk Policy Advice
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:13:28 -0400
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196CA0E [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

>  Somewhat off topic, but I think relevant. Just what is the=20
> difference=20
> between steel wire rope and aircraft cable?=20

Aircraft cable is a particular type of wire rope.  According to the
Backstage Handbook, it is "7x19, Seal, preformed, galvanized [extra
improved plow steel], [independent wire rope core], right regular lay.

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <215.c97a8ca.3092b946 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:14:14 EDT
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress

In a message dated 27/10/05 21:02:35 GMT Daylight Time, 
tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com writes:

> A friend of mine works for a major LED developer.
>  I just asked him the other day about the possibility
>  of using LEDs in spotlights.  He said they wouldn't
>  work.  Lots of light close up, but no carrying power
>  for distance.  You can see them from a great distance
>  away.  You just can't illuminate objects that are
>  a great distance away.  That's the way he explained
>  it.

I'm glad to hear that. As most of you know, stage lights come in three 
flavours: profiles, fresnels, and floods. Each has its use. I should buy LEDs for 
floods, but for nothing with more accurate beam control.  Given their narrow 
bandwidth outputs, I also question their colour rendering capacities.


Frank Wood

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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:26:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BF86DA5E.463C%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25241619 [at] prxy.net>

OSHA understands and recognizes the principle of "leading edge" as long as
all possible precautions are taken.

Of course, growing wings is also helpful.


Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>






On 10/27/05 3:05 PM, "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu> wrote:

> Granted, that begged the question of what people who install fall arrest
> systems use for fall arrest themselves...



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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:35:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BF86DC7B.4640%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25244206 [at] prxy.net>

To get back on topic for half a sec, it is extremely important to remember
that the ladder rail systems that have been described require a specific
size cable or they will not work.  Most use 5/16" =D8 wire rope or aircraft
cable.  But 5/16" =D8 is a bit of an oddball in our business where we use
mostly 1/4" & 3/8".  Many people do not recognize 5/16" and will use 1/4" b=
y
mistake.  This would be a bad mistake.

Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>




On 10/27/05 7:13 PM, "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu> wrote:

> Aircraft cable is a particular type of wire rope.  According to the
> Backstage Handbook, it is "7x19, Seal, preformed, galvanized [extra
> improved plow steel], [independent wire rope core], right regular lay.



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Message-ID: <43616984.F0D3A195 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:57:56 -0400
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: The  fuzz in the back of the fridge. 
Subject: Re: Mafia Blocks in NYC?
References: <list-25241718 [at] prxy.net>



Michael Heinicke wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> --- dale [at] cybercom.net wrote:
> >   The tent companies I've been seeing lately have
> > pretty much
> > gone over to using plastic 55 gallon drums that are
> > filled
> > with water once installed.  Way easier and cheaper
> > to transport
> > than whacking great lumps of concrete.
> >   Also consider a 'jersey barrier'.  Highway
> > construction companies
> > have these readily available pretty much anywhere in
> > the US.
> >
> >   --Dale
> >
> >
>
> How do they anchor to the drum?
> The one disadvantage that I can see with the water
> drums is that they will be significantly lighter in
> weight. About 450lbs compared to the 2000lbs or so
> that people said mafia blocks weigh.
>
> Mike H

Two holes in the top.  Rope is dropped in one, and
fished out the other, tie into a loop with the drum about
an inch off the ground.  Fill with water.  You don't
need that much weight to hold down a tent, and there
is one of them every ten or so feet on the tent.
    Jersey barrier is several thousand pounds, IIRC.
Definitely a forklift job to move one.

    --Dale



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Message-ID: <43616A22.FA75813D [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:00:34 -0400
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: The  fuzz in the back of the fridge. 
Subject: Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors
References: <list-25241660 [at] prxy.net> <list-25242842 [at] prxy.net>



Jerry Durand wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> At 12:07 PM 10/27/2005, you wrote:
> > >   Well, the US Air Force is experimenting with transparent
> > > aluminum for cockpit windows and canopies.  $15 per
> > > square inch is a little steep for flooring though.
> >
> >I hear the project was dealt a major setback when James Doohan died...
>
> Isn't transparent aluminum a variation on sapphire?  I know several
> gem stones are based on aluminum.

    Alumina.  Apparently someone figured out how to grow the stuff in
optical grade clarity.   The link I was sent was just a little PR blurb from

air force times, I think.  I can dig out the link if anyone is interested.

    --Dale



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Message-ID: <43616CAF.29CD613A [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:11:27 -0400
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: The  fuzz in the back of the fridge. 
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress
References: <list-25225920 [at] prxy.net> <list-25238044 [at] prxy.net>
	 <list-25238356 [at] prxy.net> <list-25239121 [at] prxy.net> <list-25239309 [at] prxy.net> <list-25239839 [at] prxy.net>



Stephen Litterst wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Delbert Hall wrote:
> > ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > Steve, I teach in a "smart classroom" where the video camera can
> > follow me when I wear the sensor, so it should work for followspots
> > too.
>
> Oh I know the technology is out there.  I've worked with some of it.
> That was the source of my smiley (since edited out).  It seems that
> that technology dropped off the face of entertainment about three
> years ago.  Martin had several tracking systems and had introduced
> self-tracking lights similar to your classroom camera.  Wybron still
> offers the Autopilot II, but it's not something you hear about often.
>
> I think it's an interesting technology, but not something I'm pushing
> to offer in the classroom.  At least not at the undergraduate level,
> anyway.

    THe tracking with a video camera is actually quite easy to automate
nowadays.  You wear a little tracking bug that has an IR led on it.  You
prep the podium area so that there are no other bright IR sources to confuse

the issue, and then you have a cheapie camera without an IR filter that
has a picobrain computer that moves it to keep the IR source in the
center of the image.  This works great until the chemistry teacher
lights the bunsen burner.

    --Dale



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From: Dan Mills <dmills [at] spamblock.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:25:22 +0100
References: <list-25225920 [at] prxy.net> <list-25239839 [at] prxy.net> <list-25244781 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-25244781 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <200510280125.22867.dmills [at] spamblock.demon.co.uk>

On Friday 28 October 2005 01:11, Dale Farmer wrote:
>     THe tracking with a video camera is actually quite easy to automate
> nowadays.  You wear a little tracking bug that has an IR led on it.  You
> prep the podium area so that there are no other bright IR sources to
> confuse

(Of games with IR sensitive cameras)....

Did anyone else catch that spectacular demo that one of the laser effects 
companies (HB-Laser??) had at PLASA where they used an IR camera to detect 
movement on a section of dance floor then used that data to make a projected 
(visible spectrum) image of the bottom of a pond ripple and distort as if you 
were walking in the water. The trick is that because the movement sensing 
camera does not see the video being projected (a separate IR illuminator is 
used), you can do whatever you like with the video feed to the processor, 
think fish!).  

Absolutely stunning effect over the small area in question, now once they make 
a video projector capable of covering my stage at reasonable brightness (for 
money I can afford).... 

Regards, Dan.

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Message-ID: <4361720D.E87D6C2F [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:34:21 -0400
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: The  fuzz in the back of the fridge. 
Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
References: <list-25244031 [at] prxy.net>



FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> In a message dated 27/10/05 19:13:35 GMT Daylight Time, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu
> writes:
>
> > At the basic level, there are a myriad of self-retracting life lines
> >  available for this very task. On the more advanced level, there are
> >  fall arrest ascending systems that can be designed into the ladder.
> >
> >  I know it sounds inconvenient and bothersome, but much less than
> >  falling off a ladder 60' off the ground would be.
>
> OK, Steve. But I have a responsibility to myself. If I am asked to climb a
> ladder on which I don't feel I should be safe, I shan't do it. Thirty years ago,
> I should have had no problems. Nowadays, I should.
>
> It's called old age.
>
> Frank Wood

    When I was in the navy, a guy on my ship climbed up a particular ladder
on the outside of the superstructure once a day, every day ( except on
weekends when we were in port) to perform a maintenance task.  One
day he wasn't paying attention to the climb and missed his grab for the
next handhold.  His other hand was busy holding the clipboard and the
grease gun.
    Off he sailed, hitting the lifelines hard enough to snap off the steel
loop it was clipped to on the way by.  He was fortunate that someone
saw him fall and called away the man overboard.  The gods of irony
arranged for him to fall overboard five minutes before the previously
scheduled man overboard drill.
    It doesn't matter how competent, skilled and able you are or feel
you are.  Eventually you will goof up, or your shoe will come untied,
or some previous user had grease all over their shoes, or some damn
thing or another happens.

    --Dale




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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:57:10 -0400
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: The  fuzz in the back of the fridge. 
Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice
References: <list-25236667 [at] prxy.net>



"C. Andrew Dunning" wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Good morning!
>
> I have a client (a church) who is in the process of instituting a new policy
> regarding lighting catwalk use.  Would some of you help me as I try to help
> them through this process?  I could really use either direction as to where
> I might find "official" rules/laws or examples of your actual in-place
> policy/practice.
>
> The venue:
> They have a rear hanging batten, reachable only by manlift.
>
> They have 3 functional catwalks.  Access is by means of a
> permanently-installed steel ladder running up a wall in a back room.  That
> ladder provides access to one of the catwalks, which then connects to the
> other 2 via a 4th (doesn't function as a hanging location at all) and more
> steel ladders.  All catwalks are steel structure with wood flooring.  The
> functioning catwalks are all fairly captive - w. multiple rails.  The only
> break in the rails is for 2 follow-spot positions, where there are
> safety-chains held in place by small shackles.
>
> Save for a larger Christmas event, all labor is volunteer.  At Christmas,
> they use a combination of volunteer and professional labor.
>
> Elements of their proposal:
> - Marking the area underneath the catwalks with signs and rope or tape with
> people are working in them.

    Seems excessive to me.   Assuming this is an area that can be casually
entered by random church members, this may not be excessive though.

>
> - A "buddy system" when someone is working in the catwalks.

    As in a rule that there has to be someone competent on the ground
to call 911 in case of emergency, yes, absolutely.  Going beyond that
seems excessive.

>
> - An age-limit of 18 years old.

    As another posted, getting a signed parental permission slip and
hold harmless agreement ought to be enough, unless you have a
specific local law or your insurance company requires this.  A
training course with some sort of written lesson plan and a
legal document that everyone signs before being allowed into
the catwalks sounds okay at first glance.  Some sort of waiver
sort of thing for folks that already work in the industry, and
can be presumed to know the hazards of working at height.

>
> - Not allowing tools and supplies to be carried up ladders.

    Provide a lift line and bucket next to the ladders for this
purpose, or require them to be attached to the person in a
tool belt/pouch/lanyard.

>
> - Fall protection harnesses.

    OSHA requirement?  Remember that for OSHA purposes,
volunteers are treated largely as employees.   What is the
worst possible fall from each ladder?  Evaluate against OSHA
rules and common sense.   Also involve your insurance
company.  They have folks whose full time job is to come out
to your place and advise you on how to make it safer.  Often
these consultants are available at no charge to policyholders.

>
> - The use of lanyards for tools.

    yup.

>
> - The use of safeties for fixtures.

    You are not already doing this?




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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:56:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Todd Lipcon <todd [at] lipcon.org>
Subject: White stains on black commando
Message-ID: <20051027205631.J1365 [at] mercea.mercea.net>

Hi all,

A theater I work at purchased a bunch of new commando cloth curtains last year, 
and unfortunately have found that many of them have developed large white 
stains, possibly from a water leakage problem in the room that stores the soft 
goods when not in use. I'm guessing that the flame retardancy chemicals got 
picked up in the water and re-deposited in salt form.

These stains are mostly in somewhat circular shapes about 2'-3' in diameter, 
and on both the good and bad sides of the cloth.

Does anyone have any recommendations on how to clean the fabric? Any magical 
tricks for getting these kind of stains out?

Thanks
-Todd

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Message-ID: <43617AD5.BC80C053 [at] cybercom.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:11:49 -0400
From: Dale Farmer <dale [at] cybercom.net>
Organization: The  fuzz in the back of the fridge. 
Subject: Re: White stains on black commando
References: <list-25245213 [at] prxy.net>



Todd Lipcon wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> Hi all,
>
> A theater I work at purchased a bunch of new commando cloth curtains last year,
> and unfortunately have found that many of them have developed large white
> stains, possibly from a water leakage problem in the room that stores the soft
> goods when not in use. I'm guessing that the flame retardancy chemicals got
> picked up in the water and re-deposited in salt form.
>
> These stains are mostly in somewhat circular shapes about 2'-3' in diameter,
> and on both the good and bad sides of the cloth.
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations on how to clean the fabric? Any magical
> tricks for getting these kind of stains out?
>
> Thanks
> -Todd

    You may be able to use a very fine stiff brush and a lot of
elbow grease to remove the marks.  It is the flame retardant
salts coming out of the fabric and being deposited around the
edges of the damp spots as they dry out.

Wash and repeat the flame retardant treatment.

Compare the cost of the above to the cost of installing
a dehumidifier in the storage room.   Go buy a dehumidifier
and install it in the storage room to prevent this from happening
again.

    --Dale


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Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:09:26 -0400
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: White stains on black commando
In-reply-to: <list-25245213 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <43617A46.4040505 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-25245213 [at] prxy.net>

Todd Lipcon wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> A theater I work at purchased a bunch of new commando cloth curtains 
> last year, and unfortunately have found that many of them have developed 
> large white stains, possibly from a water leakage problem in the room 
> that stores the soft goods when not in use. I'm guessing that the flame 
> retardancy chemicals got picked up in the water and re-deposited in salt 
> form.

> Does anyone have any recommendations on how to clean the fabric? Any 
> magical tricks for getting these kind of stains out?

Ok, but you're not going to like it.

Dry clean the whole drape and have them re-treated for flame 
retardancy.  Now that the water damage has leached the salts from the 
fabric, they are no longer (reliably) flame retardant.

Steve L.
-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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