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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 25273064; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:02:05 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #566 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:01:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.2 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, SARE_OBFU_AMP autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #566 1. Re: coke machine by Kevin Lee Allen 2. Re: Double purchase linesets by "Peter Scheu" 3. Re: working alone by Bruce Purdy 4. Re: Contract Rider Help!!! by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 5. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by CB 6. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by CB 7. Re: Contract Rider Help!!! by CB 8. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by Charlie Richmond 9. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by Charlie Richmond 10. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by Stephen Litterst 11. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 12. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by Jerry Durand 13. Re: working alone by "Jon Ares" 14. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by Herrick Goldman 15. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 16. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 17. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by Greg Bierly 18. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by Jerry Durand 19. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by Stephen Litterst 20. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by Stephen Litterst 21. Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors by Mick Alderson 22. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by Jerry Durand 23. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by Bill Sapsis 24. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by Stephen Litterst 25. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by Mark O'Brien 26. Re: White stains on black commando by Todd Lipcon 27. Re: Contract Rider Help!!! by 28. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 29. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 30. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 31. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by "Paul Schreiner" 32. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by "Occy" 33. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by Jerry Durand 34. Re: working alone by "Waxler, Steve $waxlers$" 35. ghostlight by Gillian Koch 36. Re: ghostlight by "Steve McBee" 37. Re: ghostlight by gregg hillmar 38. Re: ghostlight by MissWisc [at] aol.com 39. Re: ghost light by "James, Brian" 40. Re: ghostlight by John McKernon *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 07:45:58 -0400 From: Kevin Lee Allen Subject: Re: coke machine In-reply-to: Message-id: <064604EC-FEBC-4A0E-BBA8-1170C4791CBC [at] klad.com> References: Try searching "Coca-Cola Collectors" or posting to a flavor of =20 Craig's List, there is a huge network of collectors all over the =20 country, you might be able to borrow one for a few tickets and =20 mention in the program, On Oct 28, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Mike Burnett wrote: > As we near our production dates (2 weeks from now) for 1940s Radio =20 > Hour, > we are having some problems finding a period Coke machine. Anyone in > Ohio/Michigan/Indiana/Illinois/Northern Kentucky have one that we =20 > could > borrow/rent? I'll come and pick up. > ----- Kevin Lee Allen Architect of Dreams http://www.klad.com 973.744.6352.voice 201.280.3841.mobile klad [at] klad.com =F0 ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: RE: Double purchase linesets Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:59:11 -0400 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: In-reply-to: Tom Heemskerk wrote: >I think it's simply that we came to use use the term "double >purchase" very wrongly in the theatre, at least as far as >Ashley etc. are concerned. Perhaps the fly system in question >might be better off with the name "half-purchase" since moving >the load (the scenery) takes twice the effort or purchase (the >counterweight) and the "advantage" is therefore one-half to one. I dunno, it makes sense to me - 2X the purchase (pull) required = "double" the purchase or "double purchase". Or am I missing something here...? Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:09:08 -0400 Subject: Re: working alone From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > OK. I will not do a man > lift alone. Why? Friday afternoon, "naw don't worry > guys I am just gonna finish this up and call it a > day." Half way down the fuse blew. I had no cell > phone(not that it would have gotten signal anyway) and > being a state run school the place was empty. So don't leave us "hanging", how did you end up getting down? (I trust you didn't wait 'till Monday!) Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:15:12 GMT Subject: Re: Contract Rider Help!!! Message-Id: <20051029.071515.2534.52569 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com> This is true. In certain legal contracts that I have negotiated, some pe= rson involved may be entitled to a .001% [one thousandth of one percent]= royalty based on each weeks net profit. The purpose is NOT to collect a= few pennies, but to give the person the right to inspect or audit the b= ooks during normal business hours and see what all the other profit part= icipants in line ahead of him or her are receiving. /s/ Richard _______________________ > >What would they have done if they'd been asked for 3 pounds of M&Ms = with all the brown ones removed? ;) ________ People often cite this as an example of absurdity, but bizarre stipulati= ons actually serve a purpose; when the local promoter calls to complain = about the "no brown M&M" provision, you can be fairly sure he's also rea= d the sections about your lighting and sound needs. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051029083209.00b73be0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:32:09 From: CB Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress > the Autopilot tracks three dimensions and both pans and tilts. 'Three' or 'both'. Trucking would be the third, or possibly zooming, but only two dimensions are covered by panning and tilting. While this is a semantic nit, I would like to know if there are three dimensions actually covered, and how they do it. Ya know, whether the thing actually trucks or zooms or what. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051029083829.00b73be0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:38:29 From: CB Subject: RE: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... >Can whales breath in zero-gravity? Does anybody else think that this is a trifle OT ? Nope, just a trifle premature. It won't be long before someone will want whales lit in orbit, and the LD that gets the gig will be someone from this list, as he will already know how to deal with whale respiration in zero-g. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051029084256.00b73be0 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:42:56 From: CB Subject: Re: Contract Rider Help!!! >>Why, immediately gone to www.m&m.com > >www.mms.com Of course, and so it is. TYVM! Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:45:39 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, CB wrote: >> Can whales breath in zero-gravity? They breathe in zero gravity now. Underwater. > that gets the gig will be someone from this list, as he will already know > how to deal with whale respiration in zero-g. Simple. Put a huge strengthened glass tank with a whale inside and pressurised to 1 G with enough water and air for the duration in orbit and Bob's your uncle. Of course, getting it back to earth might draw the ire of the animal rights people... Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:50:01 +0100 (BST) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Charlie Richmond wrote: > They breathe in zero gravity now. Underwater. Argghhh.... of course someone (CB???) is going to call me on this. Of course they breathe air IN when they are on the surface of the water but they do consume the air they breathe while they are in a virtually zero gravity condition, swimming under water. One has to be careful with details around here!! Frank??? Where are you? Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:34:18 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress In-reply-to: Message-id: <4363A48A.3010708 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: CB wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- >>the Autopilot tracks three dimensions and both pans and tilts. > 'Three' or 'both'. Trucking would be the third, or possibly zooming, but > only two dimensions are covered by panning and tilting. While this is a > semantic nit, I would like to know if there are three dimensions actually > covered, and how they do it. Ya know, whether the thing actually trucks or > zooms or what. The Autopilot II tracks the performer in three dimensions: X,Y, and Z. It can follow the performer around the stage deck and also up (or down) any levels of scenery. It uses the dual attributes of pan and tilt to make that happen. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1c6.34760347.3095031d [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:53:49 EDT Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice In a message dated 29/10/05 00:13:03 GMT Daylight Time, bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com writes: > If left hanging too long, it can cause trauma, so rescue is necessary - > but that's better than just falling all the way down without having anything > to stop you! This brought to mind a little verse from my days as a rock climber: Swing away, climber, on the belay. If the rope holds, you'll dangle all day. If the rope breaks, there's no need to fall, Read what to do in "Climbing for All". Also a piece of advice from the days of square-rigged sailing ships: "One hand for yourself, and one for the ship." The climber's equivalent is to move only one limb at a time. Since all our catwalks are securely railed and floored, with kicking boards, I see no need for fall arrest equipment, unless some unusual rigging is being done. The main beams are about 6" x 3" channel, and the rails 2" OD steel tube, 3/8" wall thickness. suitable for hanging lanterns, supported by 1" square steel stanchions at about 3' spacing. Two rails. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051029094839.03c67158 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:54:44 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress In-Reply-To: References:

At 09:34 AM 10/29/2005, you wrote: >The Autopilot II tracks the performer in three dimensions: X,Y, and >Z. It can follow the performer around the stage deck and also up >(or down) any levels of scenery. It uses the dual attributes of pan >and tilt to make that happen. Z would be depth/distance. Does it change focus as the target gets closer/further away? From the point of view of a luminaire, no matter what angle it's at, the world in front of it is in three dimensions (pan (X), tilt (Y), distance(Z)), you might also have a fourth of rotation. Of course, XYZ from the point of view of the grid isn't the same as from the house (Y from directly over the stage would be Z from the house), so this confuses things. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <003b01c5dca9$cf94daf0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Re: working alone Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:57:13 -0700 >> OK. I will not do a man >> lift alone. Why? Friday afternoon, "naw don't worry >> guys I am just gonna finish this up and call it a >> day." Half way down the fuse blew. I had no cell >> phone(not that it would have gotten signal anyway) and >> being a state run school the place was empty. > > So don't leave us "hanging", how did you end up getting down? (I trust > you didn't wait 'till Monday!) I had a similar incident several years ago - came in early to "touch up" a couple of focuses. We had one of the 'silver' (old) Genies that had the solenoid at the bottom making contact for up/down movement. Well, that solenoid used to work its way in, eventually not making contact with the... contact. So I was up (only about 12-15') and tried to come down - no go. I was next to the set, and I jumped onto the back of the set, and 'slid' down the back bracing, to the floor. (Controlled slide - though I did bust a couple of toggles, and got a lot of splinters.) 1x4 flats and bracing are NOT meant to be climbed/jumped/slid on. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:58:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Do we need transparent aluminum for this? I know where to get some. On 10/29/05 11:45 AM, "Charlie Richmond" wrote: > > Simple. Put a huge strengthened glass tank with a whale inside and > pressurised > to 1 G with enough water and air for the duration in orbit and Bob's your > uncle. > > Of course, getting it back to earth might draw the ire of the animal rights > people... > > Charlie > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1ab.431ce1cc.309504c0 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:00:48 EDT Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice In a message dated 29/10/05 00:23:28 GMT Daylight Time, stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com writes: > Something will stop you -- you just won't be happy when it does. Ours are at only 18'. A fall from that height is survivable, if you know how to land safely, and you land on an even surface. It is said that a parachute landing is equivalent to jumping off a 12' wall. Falling into the auditorium seating is a different question. Here there is a high probability of braking something, and not just the seating. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:15:35 EDT Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... In a message dated 29/10/05 16:52:09 GMT Daylight Time, charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com writes: > Argghhh.... of course someone (CB???) is going to call me on this. Of > course > they breathe air IN when they are on the surface of the water but they do > consume the air they breathe while they are in a virtually zero gravity > condition, swimming under water. > > One has to be careful with details around here!! Frank??? Where are you? Since you ask me! Breathing is not gravity-dependant. It is done by expanding the chest cavity, and drawing in air through the available orifices, or whatever else is available. Drowning is caused by trying to breathe water. It is purely a muscular reflex. After all, astronauts, who work in zero-gravity have no trouble. Frank Wood ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <4fae54d7ce932d8524f53be49590aa47 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:18:30 -0400 > The Autopilot II tracks the performer in three dimensions: X,Y, and Z. > It can follow the performer around the stage deck and also up (or > down) any levels of scenery. It uses the dual attributes of pan and > tilt to make that happen. > > Steve L. Thanks for answering CB's question much better than I would have been able to do. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051029102132.03c66340 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:25:20 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... In-Reply-To: References: At 10:15 AM 10/29/2005, you wrote: >Breathing is not gravity-dependant. It is done by expanding the chest cavity, >and drawing in air through the available orifices, or whatever else is >available. Drowning is caused by trying to breathe water. It is >purely a muscular >reflex. After all, astronauts, who work in zero-gravity have no trouble. While a whale in zero-g would have a problem finding the surface of the water so he/she could suck air. They use gravity to go "up" to the surface where they expect to find lots of air. Same problem with fuel tanks, only in that case you want the liquid to go out the hole, not the gas pressurizing the tank. In zero-g you tend to have one blob of liquid somewhere in the tank surrounded by gas. The blob may or may not stick to the wall of the tank, depending on wetting. This is know as a bad thing. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:34:55 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress In-reply-to: Message-id: <4363B2BF.508 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Jerry Durand wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Z would be depth/distance. Does it change focus as the target gets > closer/further away? I'm not as familiar with Wybron's sytem as I am with Martin's. The Martin system can be programmed with "zones" laid over the stage so that focus/iris/whatever can be adjusted as the performer passes into each zone. Although I was thinking of the dimensions from the performer's POV. left/right is X, upstage/downstage is Y and height is Z. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:36:28 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... In-reply-to: Message-id: <4363B31C.5070906 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Jerry Durand wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > While a whale in zero-g would have a problem finding the surface of the > water so he/she could suck air. They use gravity to go "up" to the > surface where they expect to find lots of air. Of course, the whales in question were onboard a ship with artificial gravity, so there wasn't really a problem. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4363BED4.9020309 [at] uwosh.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:26:28 -0500 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors Les Lind wrote: > Come on guys, If the tank weren't transparent there wouldn't be any > point in spending all that money on preparing the filming crews for > space travel to film that segment. YA HAD TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE WHALES. > gezzzz... > Les > In the interest of "clarity", Scotty built the whale tanks out of 6 inch plexiglas, the best "locally available" material he could get. But as they had no 20th Century money, he bartered the _formula_ for "transparent aluminum" for the huge sheets of plexi they needed. That plastics guy had years of R&D ahead of him before he could actually make the stuff, even with the formula, which is why we don't HAVE it yet! ;-) And that brings us back to the original question about plastic flooring. :-) -- Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wis. Oshkosh ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051029112749.03c67848 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:30:01 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... In-Reply-To: References:

At 10:36 AM 10/29/2005, you wrote: >Of course, the whales in question were onboard a ship with >artificial gravity, so there wasn't really a problem. Yes, but the question of zero-g breathing was asked. WE are also on a rock that's in zero-g orbit around the sun which is in a zero-g orbit around other stuff... Unless you subscribe to the Earth being flat and on the back of a turtle. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:37:37 -0400 Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Um...er...It's not? On 10/29/05 2:30 PM, "Jerry Durand" wrote: > Unless you subscribe to the Earth being flat and on the back of a turtle. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:40:25 -0400 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... In-reply-to: Message-id: <4363C219.1070207 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Bill Sapsis wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Um...er...It's not? > > > On 10/29/05 2:30 PM, "Jerry Durand" wrote: > > >>Unless you subscribe to the Earth being flat and on the back of a turtle. Of course not! The earth is flat and on the back of four elephants. The elephants are what's standing on the turtle. Steve l. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051029114431.20vehw0sck0owok4 [at] www.email.arizona.edu> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:44:31 -0700 From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... References:

In-Reply-To: Quoting Stephen Litterst : > Bill Sapsis wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Um...er...It's not? >> >> >> On 10/29/05 2:30 PM, "Jerry Durand" wrote: >> >> >>> Unless you subscribe to the Earth being flat and on the back of a turtle. > > Of course not! The earth is flat and on the back of four elephants. > The elephants are what's standing on the turtle. > > Steve l. Of course to bring it all back around to Stagecraft. What size DC motor would be needed on _THAT_ turtle? What would the gearing want to be? Mark-O Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music 520-621-7025 520-591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:24:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Lipcon Subject: Re: White stains on black commando In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20051029152326.F1365 [at] mercea.mercea.net> References: Thanks, all, for the help. Even bad news is better when at least it comes from a few trusted sources and we're not just guessing at what to do. -Todd On Thu, 27 Oct 2005, Todd Lipcon wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendations on how to clean the fabric? Any magical > tricks for getting these kind of stains out? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001401c5dccc$4270e060$0500a8c0 [at] lpt> From: References: Subject: Re: Contract Rider Help!!! Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:03:45 -0500 Organization: Minnesota Ballet Chris wrote: "Why, immediately gone to www.m&m.com and ordered three pounds of M&Ms in red, green, blue, yellow, orange, black, and maybe pink. Or any other color choice or combination you have ever seen in m's. I think we may have Van Halen to thank for this portion of the website!" Actually I think the correct quote credits "Ozzie". Plus I don't think it was to have the brown ones removed, but to only have brown ones. "I had to find 1,000 brown M&M's or Ozzie wouldn't go on stage that night. So there I was breaking into this little sweet shop...... Kenneth Pogin MN Ballet ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1df.4745c6a3.30954fd3 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:21:07 EDT Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... In a message dated 29/10/05 19:33:00 GMT Daylight Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > Yes, but the question of zero-g breathing was asked. WE are also on > a rock that's in zero-g orbit around the sun which is in a zero-g > orbit around other stuff.. This isn't true. There is always a gravitational field present, wherever you are in space. Where we live, this is locally deformed by the considerable mass of the Earth. The Sun has a similar, but more extensive effect, and all the other planets make their contributions. This is why celestial mechanics is a very tricky subject. > > Unless you subscribe to the Earth being flat and on the back of a turtle. Not to mention the four elephants! Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <210.ccde546.30955189 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:28:25 EDT Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... In a message dated 29/10/05 19:42:48 GMT Daylight Time, slitterst [at] ithaca.edu writes: > >>Unless you subscribe to the Earth being flat and on the back of a turtle. > > Of course not! The earth is flat and on the back of four elephants. > The elephants are what's standing on the turtle. I thought this would attract attention from the Discworld fans, among whom I number myself. Nor am I surprised. They, and the work of the late Robert Heinlein seem calculated to appeal to our slightly weird mindsets. Let me suggest the work of the late Roger Zelazny to those of you who have not met it. It has similar qualities. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <19d.3fd80c9e.3095528e [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:32:46 EDT Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... In a message dated 29/10/05 19:46:23 GMT Daylight Time, marko [at] email.arizona.edu writes: > Of course to bring it all back around to Stagecraft. What size DC motor > would be > needed on _THAT_ turtle? What would the gearing want to be? Big. Double big. Steel mills use huge DC motors to power their rolls. I have no information on the rotation speed needed. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:54:57 -0400 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196CA19 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > >>> Unless you subscribe to the Earth being flat and on the back of a=20 > >>> turtle. > > > > Of course not! The earth is flat and on the back of four=20 > elephants.=20 > > The elephants are what's standing on the turtle. >=20 > Of course to bring it all back around to Stagecraft. What=20 > size DC motor=20 > would be > needed on _THAT_ turtle? What would the gearing want to be? Or, better yet, what size and quantity of chain hoists would be needed to lift it onto the elephants in the first place? Or remove it in case one of your elephants goes flat? ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Occy" References: Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:18:35 -0700 Do we still have steel mills in the US? I think the environmental laws ran them all out. ----- Original Message ----- From: > Big. Double big. Steel mills use huge DC motors to power their rolls. I > have > no information on the rotation speed needed. > > > Frank Wood > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051029161819.029ccfc8 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:22:47 -0700 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... In-Reply-To: References: At 03:54 PM 10/29/2005, you wrote: >Or, better yet, what size and quantity of chain hoists would be needed >to lift it onto the elephants in the first place? Or remove it in case >one of your elephants goes flat? How about the truss structure under the flat Earth. Surly a flat disk of rock and dirt can't hold its own weight. And then there's the need for railings around the edges and fall protection... -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: working alone Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:59:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Waxler, Steve $waxlers$" Thank goodness for A-frame ladders. No fuses, no solenoids. Steve Waxler =20 Technical Director College Conservatory of Music University of Cincinnati (513) 556-3709 -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon Ares Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 12:57 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: working alone For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >> OK. I will not do a man >> lift alone. Why? Friday afternoon, "naw don't worry >> guys I am just gonna finish this up and call it a >> day." Half way down the fuse blew. I had no cell >> phone(not that it would have gotten signal anyway) and >> being a state run school the place was empty. > > So don't leave us "hanging", how did you end up getting down? (I trust > you didn't wait 'till Monday!) I had a similar incident several years ago - came in early to "touch up" a=20 couple of focuses. We had one of the 'silver' (old) Genies that had the solenoid at the bottom making contact for up/down movement. Well, that=20 solenoid used to work its way in, eventually not making contact with the...=20 contact. So I was up (only about 12-15') and tried to come down - no go. I=20 was next to the set, and I jumped onto the back of the set, and 'slid' down=20 the back bracing, to the floor. (Controlled slide - though I did bust a couple of toggles, and got a lot of splinters.) 1x4 flats and bracing are NOT meant to be climbed/jumped/slid on. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative=20 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7daa121e0510291852m300592ddh586c3b27e00c57bc [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:52:55 -0400 From: Gillian Koch Subject: ghostlight To all the listers: Typically I'm just a list-lurker, but my boss, the TD at Drexel University put to me this question so I figured I'd see if the collective wisdom of the list could unearth any gems of information. Do any of you have any idea what a 'ghostlight' is? What it's original purpose in the theatre was? Thanks much in advance if anything comes up! -Gillian Koch ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004c01c5dcf6$f4015240$e7f49904 [at] RoadWarrior> From: "Steve McBee" References: Subject: Re: ghostlight Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:09:22 -0500 Hi, It's a glorified night light. It's used mostly to provide light on the stage when all the other lights are out and you don't want to trip over anything on your way to the main light switch. Hope that helps. Steve McBee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gillian Koch" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 8:52 PM Subject: ghostlight > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > To all the listers: > > Typically I'm just a list-lurker, but my boss, the TD at Drexel > University put to me this question so I figured I'd see if the > collective wisdom of the list could unearth any gems of information. > > Do any of you have any idea what a 'ghostlight' is? What it's original > purpose in the theatre was? > > Thanks much in advance if anything comes up! > > -Gillian Koch > ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: gregg hillmar Subject: Re: ghostlight Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:16:26 -0400 On Oct 29, 2005, at 9:52 PM, Gillian Koch wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > To all the listers: > > Typically I'm just a list-lurker, but my boss, the TD at Drexel > University put to me this question so I figured I'd see if the > collective wisdom of the list could unearth any gems of information. > > Do any of you have any idea what a 'ghostlight' is? What it's original > purpose in the theatre was? > > Thanks much in advance if anything comes up! > > -Gillian Koch What it is is rather simple- a single lightbulb on a pole standing in the middle of the stage, left burning when everyone leaves. Add whatever extras you like... (in a recent discussion here, I was particularly fond of the suggestions that turned on other lights when the ghostlight was turned off, via DMX or other control!) Extras such as wheels, cages, switches, auxiliary outlets, florescent bulbs and such are common. But it is still a lightbulb on a pole... The purpose is to supply emergency personnel and others entering the space (including residents...) enough light to safely navigate the space without falling into the pit or a trap, tripping over scenery or such, or otherwise endangering oneself. Now the origin of the term or it's original use is something that I also would be much interested in! g. _____________________ gregg hillmar scenic & lighting design portfolio & life as we know it: http://www.hillmardesign.com "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one's watching." Satchel Paige ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <141.50df3dcc.30958de4 [at] aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:45:56 EDT Subject: Re: ghostlight gregg [at] hillmardesign.com writes: <> Simple.. it's the light that's left on for the ghosts to use. ;) Kristi ------------------------------ Subject: RE: ghost light Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:52:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" I found this ion the net....... The historical reasons for it's existence (gaslights acting as pressure relief valves, keeping the ghosts away, keeping the ghosts happy, ensuring the theatre never 'goes dark' etc.) . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:42:41 -0400 Subject: Re: ghostlight From: John McKernon Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > The purpose is to supply emergency personnel and others entering the > space (including residents...) enough light to safely navigate the > space without falling into the pit or a trap, tripping over scenery > or such, or otherwise endangering oneself. In the case of the older Broadway theaters, there aren't any worklights installed unless a show's in residence. The ghost light is an easy way to get a little light in the place using an extension cord to the nearest outlet. I've always assumed it was called a ghost light because it was there to keep the ghosts company... Or maybe to keep them away... I'd love to know the *real* origin of the name! - John ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #566 *****************************