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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 25284117; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:01:50 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #567 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:01:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, SARE_BAYES_5x7,SARE_OBFU_AMP autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #567 1. Students on the Personnel Lift by Scott Parker 2. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by CB 3. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by CB 4. Re: Double purchase linesets by "Bill Conner" 5. Re: Students on the Personnel Lift by rwhitco [at] comcast.net 6. Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... by CB 7. Re: Contract Rider Help!!! by CB 8. Re: ghostlight by Mick Alderson 9. Re: ghostlight by Jerry Durand 10. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice by "Bill Conner" 11. Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors by Michael Sorensen 12. Re: Contract Rider Help!!! by Michael Sorensen 13. Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors by Jerry Durand 14. Re: ghostlight by "Jon Ares" 15. Re: ghostlight by Jacqueline Haney Kidwell 16. Re: To Hammer or to air compress by Stephen Litterst 17. Re: ghostlight by Charlie Richmond 18. Re: ghostlight by Jerry Durand 19. Re: ghostlight by Charlie Richmond 20. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 21. Re: ghostlight by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 22. Re: ghostlight by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 23. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice by "RD" 24. Re: ghostlight by "Josh Ratty" 25. Re: Students on the Personnel Lift by "RD" 26. Need to buy parts for LMI L86 1200 by Adam Berns 27. Re: Need to buy parts for LMI L86 1200 by Mike Brubaker 28. Re: Need to buy parts for LMI L86 1200 by LITETROL [at] aol.com 29. Auto Pilot II by Paul Marsland 30. Re: Catwalk Policy Advice by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 31. Re: Students on the Personnel Lift by Dale Farmer 32. Re: Need to buy parts for LMI L86 1200 by Stephen Litterst 33. Re: Double Purchase Linesets by "Peter Scheu" 34. Re: Another pyro incident by "Tony Deeming" 35. working alone by b Ricie *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <90d9c9980510300518p32778c38sbb0a28c7af66e9c4 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:18:44 -0400 From: Scott Parker Subject: Students on the Personnel Lift Greetings all, I know this has been covered many times before. Students being trained to go up and do the type of work we're supposed to be teaching. Does anyone have stated university/theater policies you would be willing to share? I need to cite "standard & acceptable" practices from other universities. Our, very well meaning, university safety officer is out to restrict the use of the brand new personnel lift. This is the lift that she required the theater to purchase to replace the perfectly fine A-frame w/stick ladder that she felt was dangerous. The safety office was restricting the use of the ladder to just the paid theater staff. During that argument, I pointed out that it seemed to be just my students who were wearing safety harnesses... They didn't like that;-) I've already stated the obvious: only students with proper training and under appropriate supervision, and so on, and so on...... Thanks, Scott -- Take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051030074718.00b42228 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:47:18 From: CB Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... >Argghhh.... of course someone (CB???) is going to call me on this. What! What-what!?! When did I get to be the current Stageraft Cetacean research expert? All I said was that the info would eventually be usefull to someone on this list. Of course, I used the same logic that has my back yard full of odd crap. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051030075218.00b42228 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:52:18 From: CB Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress >The Autopilot II tracks the performer in three dimensions: X,Y, and Z. Ehm, I guess that this is a semantic argument. It seems to me that the tracking only covers two. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the thing only pans and tilts, right? Just to be clear, if the light were to be mounted level with the stage, it would make no changes as the actor approached the light directly? I want to seperate the workings of the light from the semantics and sales pitches so I understand it correctly. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001901c5dd62$24e2e430$6401a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Double purchase linesets Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:56:37 -0600 from Webster's online: Purchase - 2. to apply a device for obtaining a mechanical advantage to (as something to be moved) I thought I agreed with Pete S on this but then wondered if it should be called half purchase. Seems easy extension of definition to obtain double the mechanical advantage as in twice the travel in relation to the movement of the counterweight. At least they're not called dutchmen. Bill ------------------------------ From: rwhitco [at] comcast.net Subject: Re: Students on the Personnel Lift Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:00:47 +0000 Message-Id: <103020051500.29072.4364E01F000B13C5000071902206999735010C9B0708999D [at] comcast.net> A school district I just finished a show for had a student accident last year. She was using a lift improperly and it fell on her. She lived but the injuries were severe. This year the district required all staff and students needing to use the lift to attend a training session from a factory trained rep. At this time the only people in the district who are officially authorized to use the lift are me and several 15 to 18 year old students. They still need to run a training for other staff. The training consisted of a 45 min. PowerPoint and lecture from the rep., a quiz and a few minutes of hands on with the lift. The company then mailed out certificates for us, though they're still sitting in a desk somewhere. Another idea would be to create paid staff positions for the students needing to use the lift. Randy Whitcomb ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051030080104.00b42228 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:01:04 From: CB Subject: Re: Whales in SPACE - Space- space... >Unless you subscribe to the Earth being flat and on the back of a turtle. Oh, that's just cruel. I come here to escape the show, and you throw that in y face. On my first 'real' musical tour, I realized that I'm just not cut out for it. Stuff like 'Buddy', and Elton John's 'Aida' I could deal with, but I actually woke up in a pool of sweat a number of times this past few months with 'Shall We Dance' or 'Getting to Know You' running through my head. Back to one-offs and rockk shows for me, methinks! Oh, and Mick, you're a geek. You know you are... Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051030081058.00b42228 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:10:58 From: CB Subject: Re: Contract Rider Help!!! >Actually I think the correct quote credits "Ozzie". Plus I don't think it >was to have the brown ones removed, but to only have brown ones. Check my rigging math, argue with my color choices, but the rock thing I pretty much have down. Somewhere I have the copy of that page of the rider that Scotty sent me, but in the meantime, maybe this will suffice. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <4364E352.4020501 [at] uwosh.edu> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:14:26 -0600 From: Mick Alderson Subject: Re: ghostlight John wrote: > I've always assumed it was called a ghost light because it was there to keep > the ghosts company... Or maybe to keep them away... I'd love to know the > *real* origin of the name! > It's the only light left lit when only the resident ghosts have the stage. And every theatre IS haunted, after all. Happy Halloween! -- Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wis. Oshkosh ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <19AA71F0-392E-4DD2-A8DD-D5C9C6E3F747 [at] interstellar.com> From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: ghostlight Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:25:47 -0800 On Oct 30, 2005, at 7:14 AM, Mick Alderson wrote: > And every theatre IS haunted, after all. So, who on this list provides the ghosts for a brand new theater? Do you have to train the ghosts on new equipment? Are they certified in haunting networks, ruining a light board, adding cackling to a sound board, etc.? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001d01c5dd66$a90559b0$6401a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:29:00 -0600 Frank posted: "Since all our catwalks are securely railed and floored, with kicking boards, I see no need for fall arrest equipment, unless some unusual rigging is being done. The main beams are about 6" x 3" channel, and the rails 2" OD steel tube, 3/8" wall thickness. suitable for hanging lanterns, supported by 1" square steel stanchions at about 3' spacing. Two rails." I was curious, Frank, if you are able to achieve proper lighting angles in all cases by hanging on top of the top rail or if there is no intermediate rail. I usually try to design catwalks that are used for lighting to allow a unit to hang just above the toe board, with 27-30" clear between top of kick and bottom of rail. This opening, while permitted by national model codes in these areas, does not - by conventional wisdom in interpreting OSHA - relieve an employer from providing fall protection. (For a guard - usually a railing - to meet the requirements for fall protection I believe there can't be an opening greater than 18" - thus a 4" toe, a top rail to 42", and an intermediate rail.) This (along with my case for the exception in the model codes) is based on this passage from OSHA: "Runways used exclusively for special purposes (such as oiling, shafting, or filling tank cars) may have the railing on one side omitted where operating conditions necessitate such omission, providing the falling hazard is minimized by using a runway of not less than 18 inches wide. Where persons entering upon runways become thereby exposed to machinery, electrical equipment, or other danger not a falling hazard, additional guarding than is here specified may be essential for protection." I appreciate the need for fall protection but am also concerned that most falls from catwalks that I can find reports on result from someone leaving the catwalk - climbing over the guard - to reach a piece of equipment. If you force one to hang a unit outside of a guard, it becomes difficult to reach the front of a unit for a scroller or top hat safely, for instance. On several occasions I have proposed replacing the intermediate rail with vertical members leaving an 18" wide by 30" high open space between them, the notion that on unit will fit in each space, but haven't done that yet. This concern for fall protection of course always raises the question about balcony fronts and the 26" minimum guard there for sightlines. I know some arenas require their cleaners to use harnesses in the front row and advise their vendors to not go to the first row of upper levels. I have heard some theatres require harnesses for techs working on lighting there. Bill Conner ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051030161618.12021.qmail [at] web50705.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:16:18 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Sorensen Subject: Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors In-Reply-To: In the interest of "clarity", Scotty built the whale tanks out of 6 inch plexiglas, the best "locally available" material he could get. But as they had no 20th Century money, he bartered the _formula_ for "transparent aluminum" for the huge sheets of plexi they needed. That plastics guy had years of R&D ahead of him before he could actually make the stuff, even with the formula, which is why we don't HAVE it yet! ;-) And that brings us back to the original question about plastic flooring. :-) -- Mick Alderson TD, Fredric March Theatre University of Wis. Oshkosh Not to beat a dead horse, but there really is a "transparent aluminium", or something very close to it. Check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparent_aluminum Michael Sorensen "It's all just a scam, isn't it? You get those actors to put on a show, just so you can have a good reason to play with your toys." --Christopher Stasheff, "A Slight Detour" Proton Lighting and Video "We positively charge up your show!" Phone: 520-232-3540 Email: chaoscon666 [at] yahoo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051030162116.74621.qmail [at] web50713.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:21:16 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Sorensen Subject: Re: Contract Rider Help!!! In-Reply-To: Chris wrote: "Why, immediately gone to www.m&m.com and ordered three pounds of M&Ms in red, green, blue, yellow, orange, black, and maybe pink. Or any other color choice or combination you have ever seen in m's. I think we may have Van Halen to thank for this portion of the website!" Actually I think the correct quote credits "Ozzie". Plus I don't think it was to have the brown ones removed, but to only have brown ones. "I had to find 1,000 brown M&M's or Ozzie wouldn't go on stage that night. So there I was breaking into this little sweet shop...... Kenneth Pogin MN Ballet Sorry Kenneth, but Chris is right. Van Halen in the early 80's had a rider on the contract that specified only brown M&M's in their dressing room. Supposedly they trashed several dressing rooms after finding that the promoter did not fulfill the contract. Your quote comes from Wayne's World 2...;-) Michael Sorensen "It's all just a scam, isn't it? You get those actors to put on a show, just so you can have a good reason to play with your toys." --Christopher Stasheff, "A Slight Detour" Proton Lighting and Video "We positively charge up your show!" Phone: 520-232-3540 Email: chaoscon666 [at] yahoo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <95381393-6E6F-40E6-AD00-CD7DD3CAB1EE [at] interstellar.com> From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Acrylic or polycarbonate floors Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:21:33 -0800 On Oct 30, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Michael Sorensen wrote: > And that brings us back to the original question about > plastic > flooring. :-) > Ok, so we know from Scotty's tests that 6" will work for a floor. Now, that may be a little overkill for most jobs. Actually, with plastic flooring, you have to consider if the load is temporary, shock, or long term. Plastic that can take a large person jumping on it will sag over time with some furniture sitting on it. Glass falls into this category, too, it just takes a long time to sag. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001301c5dd6e$f21b8cc0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: ghostlight Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:28:22 -0800 > So, who on this list provides the ghosts for a brand new theater? If a new theatre is replacing an old theatre, aren't the old ghosts 'grandfathered' in? If anyone died during the construction of the new space, I suspect he/she would also be granted haunting rights. - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051030170137.13642.qmail [at] web36207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:01:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jacqueline Haney Kidwell Subject: Re: ghostlight In-Reply-To: --- Mick Alderson wrote: > It's the only light left lit when only the resident > ghosts have the > stage. And every theatre IS haunted, after all. > I have always believed that a light was left burning so that the ghosts could see what they were doing and not knock over and break things in the dark. Some sort or other of ghosties and ghoulies and long-leggity beasties certainly seem to inhabit every space I've worked in, and to do all kinds of mischief! Jacki __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:18:34 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: To Hammer or to air compress In-reply-to: Message-id: <4365006A.4050205 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: CB wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > >>The Autopilot II tracks the performer in three dimensions: X,Y, and Z. > > > Ehm, I guess that this is a semantic argument. It seems to me that the > tracking only covers two. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the thing only pans > and tilts, right? Just to be clear, if the light were to be mounted level > with the stage, it would make no changes as the actor approached the light > directly? I want to seperate the workings of the light from the semantics > and sales pitches so I understand it correctly. Your example is correct, if it were mounted at stage level, and the actor were moving towards the light on the same level, it would make no changes. However, the tracking system (not part of the light, but a computer controlled system that tracks the performer and directs the light) covers all three axes of performer movement. Two horizontal axes (right/left, upstage/downstage) and the vertical (upstairs/downstairs). Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:18:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: ghostlight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Jerry Durand wrote: > So, who on this list provides the ghosts for a brand new theater? The Ghostmusters ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051030093227.042c6df8 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:32:40 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: ghostlight In-Reply-To: References:

At 09:18 AM 10/30/2005, you wrote: >On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Jerry Durand wrote: > >>So, who on this list provides the ghosts for a brand new theater? > >The Ghostmusters Are they union? -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:58:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Charlie Richmond Subject: Re: ghostlight In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References:

On Sun, 30 Oct 2005, Jerry Durand wrote: >> The Ghostmusters > > Are they union? Plumber's ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:13:53 EST Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice In a message dated 30/10/05 15:30:55 GMT Standard Time, bill-conner [at] att.net writes: > Frank posted: "Since all our catwalks are securely railed and floored, with > kicking boards, I see no need for fall arrest equipment, unless some unusual > > rigging is being done. The main beams are about 6" x 3" channel, and the > rails 2" OD steel tube, 3/8" wall thickness. suitable for hanging lanterns, > supported by 1" square steel stanchions at about 3' spacing. Two rails." > > I was curious, Frank, if you are able to achieve proper lighting angles in > all cases by hanging on top of the top rail or if there is no intermediate > rail. I did say that there were two rails. Except on the bridge immediately outside the control room window, where it would have obstructed the operators' sightlines. > > I usually try to design catwalks that are used for lighting to allow a unit > to hang just above the toe board, with 27-30" clear between top of kick and > bottom of rail. I prefer to hang from the top rail, when I can. It saves bending, or kneeling on the decking. Our original bridges were designed with smallish lanterns, Strand Patt 23 and 123, in mind by Fred Bentham, of Strand. He then promptly invented the Patt 264, which wouldn't fit in the top-to-intermediate rail gap. Last summer, to cope with the larger modern lanterns, we added auxiliary rails level with the top rail, and about a foot away from it. We also added to some of the bridges extra rails about 3' above the top rail. It was not unusual for LDs to add tubes to get lanterns to where they needed to be for a particular set, or to handle one of our large Patt 243s. This opening, while permitted by national model codes in > these areas, does not - by conventional wisdom in interpreting OSHA - > relieve an employer from providing fall protection. (For a guard - usually > a railing - to meet the requirements for fall protection I believe there > can't be an opening greater than 18" - thus a 4" toe, a top rail to 42", and > > an intermediate rail.) This (along with my case for the exception in the > model codes) is based on this passage from OSHA: > Our HSA is, so far, less restrictive. It will probably come, as the 'who can I sue for my doing something stupid' culture takes hold. I can see it coming, but will probably heve retired from active work an an LD by then. > > I appreciate the need for fall protection but am also concerned that most > falls from catwalks that I can find reports on result from someone leaving > the catwalk - climbing over the guard - to reach a piece of equipment. If > you force one to hang a unit outside of a guard, it becomes difficult to > reach the front of a unit for a scroller or top hat safely, for instance. Planning. Rig the safeties before you rig the lantern. > > On several occasions I have proposed replacing the intermediate rail with > vertical members leaving an 18" wide by 30" high open space between them, > the notion that on unit will fit in each space, but haven't done that yet. I should advise against it. Horizontal bars are what conventional lanterns need. Those with axial filaments can tolerate greater tilts. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:26:27 GMT Subject: Re: ghostlight Message-Id: <20051030.102702.4688.54113 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> In each of the 100+ theatres that I have built, a trained Theatre Cat wa= s provided for rodent control. The ghost that you think that you may hav= e heard could just be a rat about to meet his or her maker... /s/ Richard _____________________ >>So, who on this list provides the ghosts for a brand new theater? >The Ghostmusters ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:35:00 GMT Subject: Re: ghostlight Message-Id: <20051030.103508.4688.54130 [at] webmail37.lax.untd.com> But, what about Theatre Elves, whose mission is benevolent? They have to= be able to see so they can install the Skyhooks after we've stopped bui= lding for the day and left the theatre at 3AM. /s/ Richard _____________________________ > It's the only light left lit when only the resident > ghosts have the stage. And every theatre IS haunted, after all. > _________ I have always believed that a light was left burning so that the ghosts could see what they were doing and not knock over and break things in the dark. Some sort or other of ghosties and ghoulies and long-leggity beasties certainly seem to inhabit every space I've worked in, and to do all kinds of mischief! Jacki ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Catwalk Policy Advice Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:49:59 -0700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It is not so much the skill levels, although that is a requirement of all individuals who work theater in this role, in my opinion. Rivaling the elder may be one facet you might consider, and I can agree that having seen some older riggers, stagehands, etc. at load-ins, etc. that maybe younger might in some ways be wiser and they may have more skills, but it is the individual in all of the skill levels which must be the major consideration. My work, especially with ISETSA and for many years before, has been to evaluate and supervise these young HS people in all aspects of the stage work, and whether it is the catwalk or over the house or working in the pit, Exact training and proper equipment must be required and its use enforced. Rules and Regulations, following OSHA or adaptations, whatever, but all protections must be in place and enforced, in my opinion and practice. Dr. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Scott Parker Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:39 AM To: Stagecraft Cc: cad [at] landrudesign.com Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Andrew, You have a good looking list. The only part I would like to see changed is the age limit. I supervise a HS lighting program and, as some other members here may confirm, HS aged technicians can often have a skill set to rival us older folks. Take care, Scott On 10/27/05, C. Andrew Dunning wrote: I could really use either direction as to where > I might find "official" rules/laws or examples of your actual in-place > policy/practice. > > They have 3 functional catwalks. > - An age-limit of 18 years old. -- Take care, Scott Scott C. Parker Professor/Technical Director Dept. of Performing Arts Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza New York, NY 10038 212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:01:31 -0500 From: "Josh Ratty" Subject: RE: ghostlight In-reply-to: Message-id: <000301c5dd84$58353230$0201000a [at] Rattys> You get to leave the theatre? No fair! Josh Ratty -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of ladesigners [at] juno.com Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:35 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: ghostlight For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- But, what about Theatre Elves, whose mission is benevolent? They have to be able to see so they can install the Skyhooks after we've stopped building for the day and left the theatre at 3AM. /s/ Richard ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "RD" Subject: RE: Students on the Personnel Lift Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:07:47 -0700 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good thinking. Training, constant training of the proper kind, and constant supervision is crucial and should be mandatory. Too many incidents in all of entertainment with lifts. Training, supervision. Written rules, and mandatory evaluations. Doom -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of rwhitco [at] comcast.net Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 8:01 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Students on the Personnel Lift For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- A school district I just finished a show for had a student accident last year. She was using a lift improperly and it fell on her. She lived but the injuries were severe. This year the district required all staff and students needing to use the lift to attend a training session from a factory trained rep. At this time the only people in the district who are officially authorized to use the lift are me and several 15 to 18 year old students. They still need to run a training for other staff. The training consisted of a 45 min. PowerPoint and lecture from the rep., a quiz and a few minutes of hands on with the lift. The company then mailed out certificates for us, though they're still sitting in a desk somewhere. Another idea would be to create paid staff positions for the students needing to use the lift. Randy Whitcomb ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7077825.1130705866721.JavaMail.gunntd [at] mac.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:57:46 -0800 From: Adam Berns Subject: Need to buy parts for LMI L86 1200 I have some LMI L86 1200 dimmer packs. The solid State realy on a few of them have taken a digger. I need to purchase 4 Silicon Power Cube Dual Solid State Relay, Part 25DR2D (I beleive). Anybody know where I can find a few of these? Thanks! ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051030160239.01d565f0 [at] mail.insightbb.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:03:44 -0500 From: Mike Brubaker Subject: Re: Need to buy parts for LMI L86 1200 In-Reply-To: References: Try Mouser Electronics. www.mouser.com At 03:57 PM 10/30/2005, Adam Berns wrote: >I have some LMI L86 1200 dimmer packs. The solid State realy on a >few of them have taken a digger. I need to purchase 4 Silicon Power >Cube Dual Solid State Relay, Part 25DR2D (I beleive). Anybody know >where I can find a few of these? ------------------------------ From: LITETROL [at] aol.com Message-ID: <7b.508af848.3096913f [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:12:31 EST Subject: Re: Need to buy parts for LMI L86 1200 In a message dated 10/30/2005 4:00:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, gunntd [at] mac.com writes: I have some LMI L86 1200 dimmer packs. The solid State realy on a few of them have taken a digger. I need to purchase 4 Silicon Power Cube Dual Solid State Relay, Part 25DR2D (I beleive). Anybody know where I can find a few of these? The standard replacement is the 40 amp version, readily available from many dealers, including Lite-Trol! s. steve [at] lite-trol.com 800 548 3876 (LITETRO) 516 681 7288 Fax Lite-Trol Service Co., Inc. 485 West John Street Hicksville NY 11801 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051030224418.14408.qmail [at] web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:44:18 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Auto Pilot II In-Reply-To: In a very large "AHA!" moment for me, a few years ago I watched Richard Pilbrow discuss renting an Auto Pilot system for a few days during the focus of some Broadway show. He would wear the sensor, lock in the moving heads required for the look and record the focus points for the show. Made me start doing some math; 75 or so moving lights times 100 or so focus points times the PIA of large multi-set musicals equals lots of potential time savings. Technologically appealing, though it may have not offset the cost of the AP system for the rented time. Paul > > Speaking of which, I haven't seen any discussion of > the Autopilot > lately. > Anyone? > --Jeff __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <1df.47588b00.3096a9fa [at] aol.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:58:02 EST Subject: Re: Catwalk Policy Advice In a message dated 30/10/05 18:51:51 GMT Standard Time, doomster [at] worldnet.att.net writes: > It is not so much the skill levels, although that is a requirement of all > individuals who work theater in this role, in my opinion. Rivaling the elder > may be one facet you might consider, and I can agree that having seen some > older riggers, stagehands, etc. at load-ins, etc. that maybe younger might > in some ways be wiser and they may have more skills, but it is the > individual in all of the skill levels which must be the major consideration. I haven't become an older rigger without considering the possible dangers. Following formal safety procedures is no substitute for looking out for yourself. On the contrary, it may lead to an ignorance of the potential dangers. "I have a safety harness on, so I can do what I like" is not an attitude I should encourage. Never having to invoke a safety harness is a better one. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43655F75.EA19FF [at] cybercom.net> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:04:05 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Students on the Personnel Lift References: Scott Parker wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Greetings all, > I know this has been covered many times before. Students being trained > to go up and do the type of work we're supposed to be teaching. > > Does anyone have stated university/theater policies you would be > willing to share? I need to cite "standard & acceptable" practices > from other universities. > > Our, very well meaning, university safety officer is out to restrict > the use of the brand new personnel lift. This is the lift that she > required the theater to purchase to replace the perfectly fine A-frame > w/stick ladder that she felt was dangerous. The safety office was > restricting the use of the ladder to just the paid theater staff. > During that argument, I pointed out that it seemed to be just my > students who were wearing safety harnesses... They didn't like that;-) > > I've already stated the obvious: only students with proper training > and under appropriate supervision, and so on, and so on...... If they have already won the battle of not allowing people to use portable ladder, you have pretty much lost the battle to appealing to common sense and standard industry practices to the safety officer. It's time to take the battle out of his/her area of expertise and pull it into your area of expertise. That is to say, what are the current and probable future standard practices in the show industry. Posing the question something like this: A graduate of the technical theater program should be reasonably skilled in the operation of the tools of the trade that are the current norm. That means they have to be able to use, in a safe and sane fashion, various types of personnel lifts, ladders, scaffolds, and so on. Prohibiting the use of these normal tools of the trade merely has us producing graduates who are deficient in basic skills. If we are not willing to train our students to current standards, why do we have the program at all? --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:17:13 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Need to buy parts for LMI L86 1200 In-reply-to: Message-id: <43656289.9090600 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Adam Berns wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have some LMI L86 1200 dimmer packs. The solid State realy on a few of them have taken a digger. I need to purchase 4 Silicon Power Cube Dual Solid State Relay, Part 25DR2D (I beleive). Anybody know where I can find a few of these? Litetrol (www.litetrol.com) Or Production Advantage (800.424.9991) -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: Re: Double Purchase Linesets Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:20:03 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: Webster wrote (via Bill Conner): > from Webster's online: Purchase - 2. to apply a device for > obtaining a > mechanical advantage to (as something to be moved) I, too, found a Googled reference that explained the term "purchase" as obtaining additional force through mechanical advantage. In other words, you "purchase" your mechanical advantage, in the same way one would "obtain" goods. That meaning of the word "purchase" (as opposed to the exchange of monies for goods or services) is correct, if somewhat archaic. So the theatre world may have bastardized the term by calling rigging linesets that need double the weight as "double purchased". Just a guess on my part... Peter Scheu www.scheuconsulting.com ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Another pyro incident Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:26:47 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of > FrankWood95 [at] aol.com > > Let us keep our sense of perspective. Many times have I set off > minor pyro > effects with a half teaspoon of flash powder, a teaspoon of > coloured smoke > powder, and a pyro fuse all in a small plastic bag.. None has > caused a problem. The > ingredients are no longer available. > > Frank Wood Hmmm... The ingredients are most certainly still available, though not widely publicised. I still occasionally make my own custom pyro, but do refrain from using a plastic bag....! 8-)) TD ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051031032531.95004.qmail [at] web50603.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:25:31 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: working alone In-Reply-To: >>> So don't leave us "hanging", how did you end up getting down? (I trust > you didn't wait 'till Monday!)<< Oops, so sorry. With Fri. afternoon beer on the mind, I did not stay in the bucket. Instead I looked for a low gravity zone on the floor below and did the leap of faith. All went well but I might be a bit shorter now. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #567 *****************************