Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 25346703; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:02:44 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #572 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:01:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #572 1. Re: Falling distance by Bill Sapsis 2. Re: Working alone and catwlaks by "Bill Conner" 3. Re: Falling distance by "Stephen E. Rees" 4. Re: house crew vs. local heads by "Steve B." 5. Re: Falling distance by "G. D. George" 6. Re: Falling distance by Greg Williams 7. Re: Falling distance by "Daniel O'Donnell" 8. AutoDesk Inventor by "Brown, Doug" 9. Re: Falling distance by Greg Williams 10. Re: Falling distance by Bruce Purdy 11. Re: Falling distance by Ken Romaine 12. Re: Falling distance by Delbert Hall 13. Re: house crew vs. local heads by Brendan Quigley 14. The big fall by "Dougherty, Jim" 15. How to quiet a fog machine? by "Paul Guncheon" 16. heating pool by "Paul Guncheon" 17. Re: LDI Listers gathering by Herrick Goldman 18. Re: LDI Listers gathering by Stephen Litterst 19. personel lifts by b Ricie 20. Re: house crew vs. local heads by Andrew Vance 21. House Heads/Show Heads by Paul Marsland 22. Re: How to quiet a fog machine? by "Aaron W. Braun" 23. Scrim costs... by "Jon Ares" 24. Re: Noises Off - - mock fish oil by "Ken" 25. Re: Working alone and catwlaks (sic) by CB 26. Re: Falling distance by CB 27. Re: Working alone and catwalks by CB 28. Re: Scrim costs... by "Robert Bruemmer" 29. Re: Falling distance by "Tony Deeming" 30. Re: Falling distance by Jerry Durand 31. Re: Falling distance by "Richard Wolpert" 32. Re: Falling distance by Greg Williams 33. Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: Falling distance by "Richard Wolpert" 34. Re: local heads vs show heads by "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" 35. Re: How to quiet a fog machine? by "Joe Golden" 36. Re: Job search options in the San Diego area. by "Joe Golden" 37. Re: Falling distance by "Tony Deeming" 38. Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: Falling distance by Bill Sapsis 39. Re: Job search options in the San Diego area. by Paul Puppo 40. Re: Falling distance by Ken Romaine 41. Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: Falling distance by Ken Romaine 42. Re: Falling distance by "Bill Nelson" 43. Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: Falling distance by "Richard Wolpert" 44. Re: Falling distance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 45. Re: Falling distance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 46. Re: Falling distance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 47. Re: Falling distance by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 48. Re: Philly area rental houses? by Daniel Kelly 49. Re: Job search options in the San Diego area. by MissWisc [at] aol.com 50. Re: Job search options in the San Diego area. by "Jon Ares" 51. Re: Job search options in the San Diego area. by Paul Puppo *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 06:40:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Falling distance From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OK. So what about a 25' fall or a 30' fall? The concept of drop and roll doesn't work anymore. You're falling too fast and won't get time to pitch to the side. You will, however, have time to run your knees through your shoulder blades. I've talked to a number of orthopedic type people and they are pretty much unanimous. When falling from that height you want to land flat...spread eagle style. That spreads the force of the impact over your entire body and lessons the chances of a mortal injury to any one part. They also say to come down face first. Apparently that's marginally better on your head than landing on your back. I dunno, but I'd probably close my eyes. And for all you daredevis out there, I am not suggesting that you actually try this, OK? Pop quiz. In a fall from 28', how fast would I be going when I hit the ground? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 11/2/05 4:38 PM, "Dale Farmer" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > > > "G. D. George" wrote: > >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Collapse and roll, baby, collapse and roll... >> J >> >> For the record, how _does_ one fall 18' from a catwalk safely? For the sake >> of argument, let's assume the floor is flat, bumps and bruises are >> acceptable but broken bones are not, and that you can choose your body >> position when you land - i.e. you didn't pitch out headfirst when trying to >> lean out to focus that last light right before going home. > > The army teaches people how to do this all the time. They call it the > Parachute Landing Fall. Basically as your feet hit the ground, you > push yourself sideways, converting your vertical motion into horizontal > motion that then gets dissipated in an undignified sprawl. > For many examples of this, watch A Bridge Too Far, the paratroops > landing scene. > > --Dale > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001b01c5e071$ddc57a00$aa80a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Working alone and catwlaks Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:26:49 -0600 Dale Farmer responded to my inquiry on how bad catwalks are. Obviously, a lot are not well designed and constructed if his account is typical and I suspect it is too common. Egress issues are covered by building and life safety codes, not to mention OSHA. While ladders are permissible, I don't like them and try to get stairs or (an elevator if possible) to major catwalks. Inevitably there are some elevation changes where a ladder of a few feet seem to make sense. (I like to draw the limit around 6' - a distance where one can set something on the higher deck and reach it from the lower.) Head clearance is required by code and simply requires planning. Cables and lens barrels are housekeeping. Achieving good lighting positions while at the same time maintaining an OSHA compliant guard is difficult or not possible so then another form of fall protection is necessary. Would you rather have catwalks that worked easily and well for lighting and have to wear fall protection while on them or have ones that require leaning and climbing over rails to reach a fixture but which don't require a harness while on the catwalk? One solution that I believe is gaining popularity is the "caged" area where some sort of mesh or screen - like a turkey wire - is built around the area for lights - as if it extended out from the catwalk and than rose vertically. Thus one is protected from falls and theoretically the mesh and it's framing is minimally obstructive. I can believe the mesh is like a tensioned wire grid but the framing for it seems tricky. Anyone have experience with the cage? Bill ------------------------------ Message-ID: <436A05DC.9000906 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:43:08 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Falling distance References: Whoever answers this, please show your work. Am curious to learn this. Thanks. Steve Bill Sapsis wrote: > > Pop quiz. In a fall from 28', how fast would I be going when I hit the > ground? > > Bill S. > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 800.292.3851 fax > 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:44:58 -0500 From: "Steve B." Subject: Re: house crew vs. local heads Message-id: <000901c5e074$66451a00$6601a8c0 [at] SBFF> References: ----- Original Message ----- From: After an extended absence, I return to seek the wisdom of "The List." >Does anyone have a situation where the House Crew or House Heads are bumped >by a presenter's local Dept. Heads? I inherited an arrangement where the >House Crew is Head Carpenter, Head Electrician, and Head Sound, but one >presenter in particular brings in their own full set of Heads, which >creates confusion, tension and billing controversies. Much of Broadway operates this way. The theater owner has a house crew, charged with maintaining the house. Since it's a bare wall rental, the Presenter, who's renting, brings in their own heads for the gear they bring in. The head elec. at that point runs house lights (simplified version). Maybe Eddie K. could elaborate on the Broadway setup. It gets more complicated when it's a road house with gear. In that case, the house head is (or should be) in charge of operating and maintaining the house gear, PROVIDED that's what the owner wants. Lot's of owner won't pay for labor to maintain eqpt. though. Likewise, the owner may enter into an agreement with a local presenter - a major local opera company ?, ballet company ?, who essentially takes over the house for an extended season. What's the house head's responsibility, at that point ?. Not much. May not even be working the calls. IF that's the way the owner wants it !. The owner has essentially GIVEN the responsibility for operation of the theater to the presenter. At our house, where we do a lot of rentals, college and community events as well as events presented by an in-house producer, the dept. heads (Elec. and Sound at this point - they laid off the head Carp. a long time ago, and never replaced, though we do pickup a temp Head Carp., Head Props and Wardrobe for involved shows), operate and maintain house gear. When an event with gear rolls in, the event heads coordinate with the house heads as to what house gear is to be used and how, with house heads having final approval (don't re-locate Rep FOH eqpt., as example). Then I (house head elec) essentially become another electrician for the road head elec. to use as needed, but I essentially coordinate the house pickup crew as to what they get assigned to, as well as take care of the more involved requirements - DMX/Network hookups, feeder tie-in, installation of road console, focus of house gear, etc... but really working for the road head to get his/her stuff up and operational. We once had a scenario, when we were non-union, with yellow card shows, where the local would send over dept. heads who had never been in the theater prior. That was recognized as being stupid, and shortly after an arrangement was setup where I (and Carp and Sound) would take a vacation day ( as college employees) for the gig, and get paid by the local. We then functioned as house heads - under the local. We're now local 1, so it's a moot point. Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ From: "G. D. George" Subject: RE: Falling distance Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:14:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: "fast enough to break your neck, and that's as fast as you can go..." J ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Falling distance Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:27:11 -0500 On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:40 AM, Bill Sapsis wrote: > > Pop quiz. In a fall from 28', how fast would I be going when I hit > the > ground? > Okay, I'll take a one-cup-of-coffee stab at this... You'd be accelerating at 32' per second (per second), but you'd only achieve 28' of that distance, so you'd be moving at 32'(sec-sec) * 7/8, ( 28' * 1.125 or 31.5' per second) or 1890' per minute, or 113,400 feet per hour, divided by 5280' per mile = 21.477 miles per hour. How's that? -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2006 ride dates July 9-18 - c'mon and join us! ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: <5B2222E3-2B8F-4C5D-B70E-E3143FD4E12B [at] mystykworks.com> From: "Daniel O'Donnell" Subject: Re: Falling distance Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:48:37 -0500 On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:27 AM, Greg Williams wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see stagecraft.theprices.net/> > --------------------------------------------------- > > > On Nov 3, 2005, at 6:40 AM, Bill Sapsis wrote: > > >> >> Pop quiz. In a fall from 28', how fast would I be going when I >> hit the >> ground? >> > > Okay, I'll take a one-cup-of-coffee stab at this... > > You'd be accelerating at 32' per second (per second), but you'd > only achieve 28' of that distance, so you'd be moving at 32'(sec- > sec) * 7/8, ( 28' * 1.125 or 31.5' per second) or 1890' per minute, > or 113,400 feet per hour, divided by 5280' per mile = 21.477 miles > per hour. > > How's that? No, no... it's a trick question. He'd be going at about 1 foot per minute or so. As we are talking about Mr. Sapsis, he'd have full fall protection on, and so would be lowered at a reasonable speed from his hanging position. --- Daniel R. O'Donnell dan [at] mystyk.com http://www.mystyk.com ------------------------------ Subject: AutoDesk Inventor Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:57:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Brown, Doug" Hi all - I'm doing a workshop at SETC on using AutoDesk Inventor and I = was wondering who out there is using it? We teach it here at NCSA to the = motion control students - but I wanted to find out how others use it and = what I should be covering at the workshop thanks doug Doug Brown Technical Faculty=20 North Carolina School of the Arts School of Design & Production ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:06:18 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Falling distance In-reply-to: Message-id: References:

On Nov 3, 2005, at 8:48 AM, Daniel O'Donnell wrote: > No, no... it's a trick question. He'd be going at about 1 foot per > minute or so. As we are talking about Mr. Sapsis, he'd have full > fall protection on, and so would be lowered at a reasonable speed > from his hanging position. > > --- > Daniel R. O'Donnell > dan [at] mystyk.com > http://www.mystyk.com Ouch. Okay, my official answer might need to be changed to "it all depends...". Nice catch, Mr. O'Donnell. -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2006 ride dates July 9-18 - c'mon and join us! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:15:46 -0500 Subject: Re: Falling distance From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: >> Pop quiz. In a fall from 28', how fast would I be going when I hit >> the ground? >> Once you hit the ground, you likely won't be moving at all. Just *before* you hit the ground on the other hand ..... Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:38:32 -0500 From: Ken Romaine Subject: Re: Falling distance In-Reply-To: References:

I've had 2 cups of coffee - so here goes... From the physics I remember: s =3D 1/2 * a * t * t s =3D distance travelled =3D 28' a =3D acceleration =3D 32 ft /sec/sec t =3D time (here, the unknown we solve for) If my algebra is correct, t=3D1.33 seconds Now, v =3D a * t v =3D velocity (what we're actuially looking for) a and t we have from above So: v =3D 32 ft /sec/sec * 1.33 sec v =3D 42.33 ft/sec According to Google's conversion, this is about 28.86 miles per hour, 12.90 meters per second, and 46.45 km / hour. How'd I do, teach? -- Ken Romaine Northeast US Sales Manager - Barco Events The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 11/3/05, Bill Sapsis wrote: > > Pop quiz. In a fall from 28', how fast would I be going when I hit the > ground? > > Bill S. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:42:19 -0500 From: Delbert Hall Subject: Re: Falling distance In-Reply-To: References:

On 11/3/05, Bruce Purdy wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >> Pop quiz. In a fall from 28', how fast would I be going when I hit > >> the ground? > >> > > Once you hit the ground, you likely won't be moving at all. Just > *before* you hit the ground on the other hand ..... I say that the answers depends on your speed just before you hit, your weight, and the material you hit (the amount of deflection in the material will deterimine how fast will it slows your fall). Also, different parts of your body will be falling at different rates as it compresses. -Delbert -- Delbert L. Hall ZFX Flying Director Phone: 714-585-7070 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <59F15208-0EF9-4A0F-87AD-98D9EB576EC1 [at] earthlink.net> From: Brendan Quigley Subject: Re: house crew vs. local heads Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:53:02 -0600 mornin' all ... so Scott Stewart tapped: >After an extended absence, I return to seek the wisdom of "The List." > >Does anyone have a situation where the House Crew or House Heads are = >bumped by a presenter's local Dept. Heads? =A0I inherited an arrangement = >where the House Crew is Head Carpenter, Head Electrician, and Head = >Sound, but one presenter in particular brings in their own full set of = >Heads, which creates confusion, tension and billing controversies. > >Just thought I would ask before adjusting the orientation of the apple = >cart. > >Thanks, >Scott Stewart I think I know what is meant here. Here in Houston at the new (and pretty cool!) Hobby Center Theater, there are House Crew Heads (IA members), and Clear Channel Heads (also IA members). It's an interesting arrangement, but to me a tad unusual. It works for the locals as they work that way every day, but it's a bit odd for touring shows like ours. Especially in this case, and I've known the Local (read theatre) Head Electrician is an old friend of mine. I've heard that this is also the case at the new venue in Boston (oh, Mr. Ehrenberg, you out there?), but as I've not had the opportunity to play there as yet. Don't know that this gives you any guidance in your decision about that pesky apple cart, but I hope it helps in some way. Or, to quote the famous (infamous??) Bill Sapsis ... 'zat help? Kind Regards, Brendan C. Quigley Head Electrician ? Vari*Lite Technician WICKED - A New Broadway Musical ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:11:21 -0500 Subject: The big fall From: "Dougherty, Jim" Message-ID: I don't skydive, but I know that parachutists have their techniques for falling - I just think you'd be darn lucky, in the process of just having tipped off a catwalk unexpectedly, to be able to get into that position. Military parachutists are dangling from their chute pretty much from the moment they walk out the door, so they have a bit more time to think about landing (SEALs and other low-opening types aside). Free-runners regularly jump from heights, and practice how to fall. I know it can be done. I just don't want to rely on it for my safety when other alternatives exist. I've watched an internet video of someone doing a backflip on purpose off of a building that was probably 18' tall minimum. The ground he landed on looked like soft dirt, and he collapsed and rolled on impact and was just fine. As someone else said, folks have survived falls from airplanes without a parachute - most skydivers still wear them anyway. I also disagree with counting on my reflexes to save me; first, because some bad things happen faster than I can react. Secondly, because I would need to practice the dangerous things enough to train my reflexes to do the right thing, and get it in my muscle memory. Otherwise my hindbrain and body are going to do what they think is right, and it might not be. It certainly won't be conscious thought. The deer that jumps straight up to avoid the car is working on reflex, but it sure won't help it in the long run. - Jim Dougherty ATD, Middlebury College ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:19:09 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: How to quiet a fog machine? Message-id: <001901c5e089$f0daa710$1e8aea48 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: Rather than dryer hose, whose ribs tend to trap the fog fluid as it cools, try long plastic tube made from plastic bag material. It comes in a variety of diameters and is usually heat sealed to make parts bags for manufacturing. Here is one source: http://www.elkayplastics.com/pdf/industrial/polyethylene_tubing.pdf In the movies, the FX guys will roll this stuff out and slit it with a knife to emit fog. They use a fan along with the fogger to provide pressure. Insulating the tube wouldn't hurt either. Laters, Paul "I can't remember whether it was a Martin or a Rosco" Tom said foggily. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 05:24:29 -1000 From: "Paul Guncheon" Subject: heating pool Message-id: <001d01c5e08a$afecaf40$1e8aea48 [at] yourxhtr8hvc4p> References: Not sure if I saw this recommendation but I'd check out a hot tub heater... seems like about the right size, as I remember. Later, Paul "I don't believe in the Heimlich maneuver", Tom struck back. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:58:45 -0500 Subject: Re: LDI Listers gathering From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I'm with Steve. Sunken bar it is. After we push someone into the pool at the rosebrand party we'll need to dry off. Besides he and I need to comiserate over the recent blows to Red Sox Nation. (shaddap Ken!) On 11/2/05 1:38 PM, "Ehrenberg, Steven" wrote: > > Since there have been no definitive suggestions, I'll start. I am going > to go way out on an LDI limb and suggest a Gathering - Post Rosebrand > party -on Friday evening in the Brady Bunch Sunken Living Room Bar at > the Rosen Center? Plaza? Whatever, it's hard to miss. But if anyone has > alternates please toss 'em out here. > Steven > Steven Ehrenberg > Director of Technical Supervision > Clear Channel Entertainment - Theatrical > 220 W 42nd St. 14th floor NY, NY 10036 > Office 917 421 5461 > Mobile 917 331 0207 > -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:00:09 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: LDI Listers gathering In-reply-to: Message-id: <436A3409.7010600 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Herrick Goldman wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > After we push someone into the pool at the > rosebrand party we'll need to dry off. Uh-oh. Guess I'd better remember to pack my water wings. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051103160913.36602.qmail [at] web50608.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:09:13 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: personel lifts In-Reply-To: >>We also purchased a JLG Model 20DVL, ours having the extended bucket option. It's a terrific unit, very easy to manouvre, free's up a crew member to do something else (instead of pushing the unit around, though we keep a spotter on deck with the unit, when it's busy on stage).<< I think JLG stands for "Just Like Genie" Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <4665F890-682B-4D88-8392-209E1EDCDA4D [at] gmail.com> From: Andrew Vance Subject: Re: house crew vs. local heads Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:14:13 -0600 On 03 Nov, 2005, at 08:53, Brendan Quigley wrote: > I think I know what is meant here. Here in Houston at the new (and > pretty cool!) Hobby Center Theater, there are House Crew Heads (IA > members), and Clear Channel Heads (also IA members). It's an > interesting arrangement, but to me a tad unusual. It works for the > locals as they work that way every day, but it's a bit odd for > touring shows like ours. Especially in this case, and I've known > the Local (read theatre) Head Electrician is an old friend of mine. Having worked in Houston, that seems to to be the norm at the IA houses. The Wortham Center [home of the Opera and Ballet] has a house heads [carp, elec, sound, and a TD who oversees everything] for each of the two spaces. When the Opera and Ballet are in residence, they bring in their own dept. heads which essentially run the space when they're in there. The house dept. heads were there whenever we were there, but were almost entirely hands off. They were there in case there was problems with the house dimmers, amps, or any of the stage mechanics [for example]. Brendan, is Tom still the Head Electrician at the Hobby Center? I worked with him when I was at the Opera, but I left Houston right before the Hobby Center opened. Last I knew he was the Head Elec there. Tell him "Hi" for me, though he might not remember who I am. -- Sincerely, Andrew Vance atvanceld [at] gmail.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051103172012.43101.qmail [at] web52206.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:20:12 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Marsland Subject: House Heads/Show Heads In-Reply-To: Luckily, in our situation, our upper administration prefers that we have House Heads to help preserve the facility from those people who rent the facility. On larger / touring shows, I think most of us prefer the arrangement of House Heads, who know the house and the easy way to achieve many common tasks, paired with Show Heads, who know what the show needs to achieve. Smooth teamwork between the two Heads makes for smooth shows. Of course, the smaller shows depend on our Heads to make their shows happen at all. Your situation seems to allow that particular promoter to save a small pile of money. If you can quantify your problems with that staffing setup in such a way that the admins above you come to agree, they can help you change your inherited arrangement. If you can't change the minds above you at the contracting level, you may have to look for other answers. Paul > scott.stewart [at] hcpa.com wrote: > > After an extended absence, I return to seek the > wisdom of "The List." > > > > Does anyone have a situation where the House Crew > or House Heads are bumped by a presenter's local > Dept. Heads? I inherited an arrangement where the > House Crew is Head Carpenter, Head Electrician, and > Head Sound, but one presenter in particular brings > in their own full set of Heads, which creates > confusion, tension and billing controversies. > > > > Just thought I would ask before adjusting the > orientation of the apple cart. > > > > Thanks, > > Scott Stewart __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ From: "Aaron W. Braun" Subject: RE: How to quiet a fog machine? Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:28:06 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: This is not a silencer, but it does allow you to locate the fog machine further away like you are doing now. I have had great success using a PVC 'Y' between the fog machine and the hose. I put a fan on the other inlet so that it propels the fog forward. This also provides the needed air to prevent a vacuum / backflow. A quick search for the part found: http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=23187-34146-RT 100&lpage=none Your local hardware store should carry this or the white PVC equivalent. Fog Machine Fan | / |/ Y | | Hose ASCII art... you gotta love it. (Or is that ASCII CAD?) Sincerely, Aaron Braun Ardee Design Group, LLC Nashville, TN -----Original Message----- We are doing Henry 6, part 3 in an intimate thrust configuration and wanted some smoke for the battles. Our Le Maitre G300 worked perfectly directly under the main deck which is not faced. but the director found it's noise disturbing. Adding sound effects pre-battle to hide it was vetoed. We tried a styrofoam box which barely helped. What did help was moving it 25' to behind the audience and piping in the smoke. But now we barely have any smoke as we are using Neutron Haze Fluid. We love the haze this produces after it comes out as "smoke". We are using 6" dryer duct for the pipe. So, is there a way to put it back under the deck and get it whisper quiet? is there a way to get better smoke through the duct? is there a way to selectively block the director's hearing? thanks, Davy ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000f01c5e09f$45e33ff0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References: Subject: Scrim costs... Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:51:52 -0800 Thank you everyone who've been writing on and offlist about their favorite personnel lifts, and the pros and cons of various models... HUGE help. Thanks! New query: the PTBs have asked me for a 'ballpark' cost of a black sharktooth scrim (well, that's not what they called it, but I knew what they meant). I'm not sure if it's the first thing I'd buy for a new theatre, but hey, if someone else pays for it, I'm all for it!! So: ballpark figure... a black sharkstooth scrim, webbing at the top, pipe pocket at the bottom, and let's say... 30'hx50'w. If you've recently bought one, let me know... if you're one of the makers of such, make sure you let me know that, because of course I'd prefer to send money to a friend than a stranger! TIA... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000c01c5e0a4$814183e0$6901a8c0 [at] MONORAIL> From: "Ken" References: Subject: Re: Noises Off - - mock fish oil Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:29:10 -0600 I second this advice. These lures already come with some type of oil on them to preserve them. You'd of course have to snip off the hook, but that should be no problem. These lures look very real. If you have a hard time finding any at this point of the season, i've got a very large tackle box full of them! I also agree with the no oil on stage (less to clean up) Kenneth Pogin Production Manager Minnesota (land of 10,000 Lakes) Ballet ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051103120228.00b46ed8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:02:28 From: CB Subject: Re: Working alone and catwlaks (sic) >Having worked in one theatre with catwalks for >nearly forty years, I have learned where to duck. Hmmm.... Maybe not. Having worked in over half a dozen theatres in the last coupla months, I have discovered that we cannot design for the guy that gets to sit and learn the dangers and how to avoid them over four decades, but that we should design for a majority that is infinitesimally largere, the transient technician. Once someone has a firm grasp on that concept, their suggestions and comments will probably be better received. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051103121409.00b46ed8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:14:09 From: CB Subject: Re: Falling distance >As I have seen it, it is a short lance. While I agree that extreme measures >may be needed to remove someone from electrocution, I feel that this may be >going too far, How do you save a guitarist from drowning? Take your foot off his neck! Actually, the pig sticker I carry is a short 3" stilletto. It's primary purpose is (was) to cut the guitar cord if the guy became improperly grounded. Grabbing the mic stand, or the guitarist himself stood a great chance of becoming part of the problem instead of part of the solution. There was always a chance that a puddle of beer or water (or some other bodily fluid) was included in the equation, but finding the guitar cord was usually fairly easy, and cutting it opened the circuit. Used to be that you just pulled it, but guitarist have adpoted the habit of wrapping one end around the handle on the amp, and the other around the guit strap. Let me know if this method meets with your approval, Frank. Now, the thing comes in handy for many, many other things, but I mostly keep it around as a reminder of finer days. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051103122708.00b46ed8 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:27:08 From: CB Subject: Re: Working alone and catwalks >(In one theater (Tuscon?) you have to crawl >THROUGH an air conditioning duct to get to the FOH >cove. Little door on either side. Hot or cold air in >the middle depending on the season. Wierd.) Yah, that's Centennial Hall on the Campus of the UofA. Not much better on either side of the duct, either, and it got worse after 'Phantom' added a buncha steel. At 'Places' in the Tallahassee Convention Center Arena and Ice Hockey Rink, recently, the spot op's dual headset failed, and I had to make my way from USL. I had to traverse 2/3rds the length of the hall three times, through two elevators, and through a locked door just to get to the cats. From there, it was up a set of stairs, across a small cat to another set of stairs, along a cat that zigged and then zagged, down a set of stairs, across another cat, back up, across, and down to the spot position. The latter all in the dark, most littered with cable and other squint detritus, and all the while over the heads of the audience most of the time with hands full of kit. And, I'm a soundguy. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <200511031933.jA3JXawR016810 [at] oz.plymouth.edu> From: "Robert Bruemmer" Subject: RE: Scrim costs... Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:33:35 -0500 Organization: Plymouth State University In-reply-to: I recently purchased one (white) for about $1300. I've always found that The good folks at production advantage will have a quote for me within a day.... Bob -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon Ares Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:52 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Scrim costs... For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Thank you everyone who've been writing on and offlist about their favorite personnel lifts, and the pros and cons of various models... HUGE help. Thanks! New query: the PTBs have asked me for a 'ballpark' cost of a black sharktooth scrim (well, that's not what they called it, but I knew what they meant). I'm not sure if it's the first thing I'd buy for a new theatre, but hey, if someone else pays for it, I'm all for it!! So: ballpark figure... a black sharkstooth scrim, webbing at the top, pipe pocket at the bottom, and let's say... 30'hx50'w. If you've recently bought one, let me know... if you're one of the makers of such, make sure you let me know that, because of course I'd prefer to send money to a friend than a stranger! TIA... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Falling distance Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:44:04 -0000 Message-ID: In-reply-to: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Greg > Williams +> > > > Pop quiz. In a fall from 28', how fast would I be going when I hit > > the > > ground? > > > > Okay, I'll take a one-cup-of-coffee stab at this... > > You'd be accelerating at 32' per second (per second), but you'd only > achieve 28' of that distance, so you'd be moving at 32'(sec-sec) * > 7/8, ( 28' * 1.125 or 31.5' per second) or 1890' per minute, or > 113,400 feet per hour, divided by 5280' per mile = 21.477 miles per > hour. > > How's that? > /tongue depressed firmly into cheek/ And if Frank were PUSHED off that catwalk, how much faster would he then fall.....??? /tongue out of cheek/ ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051103114757.03503fb0 [at] 192.168.0.13> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:48:14 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Falling distance In-Reply-To: References:

At 11:44 AM 11/3/2005, you wrote: >/tongue depressed firmly into cheek/ > >And if Frank were PUSHED off that catwalk, how much faster would he then >fall.....??? > >/tongue out of cheek/ With or without Mafia Block attached? -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: "Richard Wolpert" Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: RE: Falling distance Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:43:12 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Simple physics.... Distance = 1/2 acceleration x time (squared) Acceleration is earth gravitational, so value is 32 ft/sec/sec. 28ft. = 1/2 32 x Time squared 28ft. = 16 x Time squared 28/16 = Time squared 1.3229 sec. = Time to fall to the deck Velocity = Acceleration x Time Velocity in feet/sec. = Vfs= 28 ft x 1.3229 sec = 37.0412 ft/sec Velocity in miles per hour = Vmph = 5280 ft. / 3600 sec = 1.4666 ft./ sec. Vmph = Vfs / 1.4666 = 37.0412 / 1.4666 Vmph = 25.255 Remember. It's not the fall that hurts. It's the sudden stop at the bottom! Richard A.Wolpert President Union Connector Co., Inc. 40 Dale Street West Babylon, NY 11704 Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204 Fx: 631-753-9560 richw [at] unionconnector.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Stephen E. Rees Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:43 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Falling distance For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Whoever answers this, please show your work. Am curious to learn this. Thanks. Steve Bill Sapsis wrote: > > Pop quiz. In a fall from 28', how fast would I be going when I hit the > ground? > > Bill S. > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 800.292.3851 fax > 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:27:17 -0500 From: Greg Williams Subject: Re: Falling distance In-reply-to: Message-id: References:

On Nov 3, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Jerry Durand wrote: > >> /tongue depressed firmly into cheek/ >> >> And if Frank were PUSHED off that catwalk, how much faster would >> he then >> fall.....??? >> >> /tongue out of cheek/ >> > > With or without Mafia Block attached? > > > -- > Jerry Durand /tongue continued in cheek/ He wouldn't fall, of course, he'd FLOAT... he's been there 40 years, he knows the space, it's the only space or experience relevant to any discussion. "18 feet? Why that's nothing. I fall 18 feet every morning just getting out of the hammock in the catwalks as I reach for the scotch and cigarettes. It's all in knowing how to land. Simple." /outta cheek/ -=Greg Williams=- Production Manager Valborg Theatre, Appalachian State University www.LRLR.org - 2006 ride dates July 9-18 - c'mon and join us! ------------------------------ From: "Richard Wolpert" Subject: RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: Falling distance Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:47:55 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Oops... made a slight error ( 28 ft/sec instead of 32 ft/sec in the velocity calculations)..... here's the accurate calculations... Simple physics.... Distance = 1/2 acceleration x time (squared) Acceleration is earth gravitational, so value is 32 ft/sec/sec. 28ft. = 1/2 32 x Time squared 28ft. = 16 x Time squared 28/16 = Time squared 1.3229 sec. = Time to fall to the deck Velocity = Acceleration x Time Velocity in feet/sec. = Vfs= 32 ft x 1.3229 sec = 42.313 ft/sec Velocity in miles per hour = Vmph = 5280 ft. / 3600 sec = 1.4666 ft./ sec. Vmph = Vfs / 1.4666 = 42.313 / 1.4666 Vmph = 28.84 Remember. It's not the fall that hurts. It's the sudden stop at the bottom! Richard A.Wolpert President Union Connector Co., Inc. 40 Dale Street West Babylon, NY 11704 Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204 Fx: 631-753-9560 richw [at] unionconnector.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Richard Wolpert Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:43 PM To: Stagecraft Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: Falling distance For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Simple physics.... Distance = 1/2 acceleration x time (squared) Acceleration is earth gravitational, so value is 32 ft/sec/sec. 28ft. = 1/2 32 x Time squared 28ft. = 16 x Time squared 28/16 = Time squared 1.3229 sec. = Time to fall to the deck Velocity = Acceleration x Time Velocity in feet/sec. = Vfs= 28 ft x 1.3229 sec = 37.0412 ft/sec Velocity in miles per hour = Vmph = 5280 ft. / 3600 sec = 1.4666 ft./ sec. Vmph = Vfs / 1.4666 = 37.0412 / 1.4666 Vmph = 25.255 Remember. It's not the fall that hurts. It's the sudden stop at the bottom! Richard A.Wolpert President Union Connector Co., Inc. 40 Dale Street West Babylon, NY 11704 Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204 Fx: 631-753-9560 richw [at] unionconnector.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Stephen E. Rees Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:43 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Falling distance For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Whoever answers this, please show your work. Am curious to learn this. Thanks. Steve Bill Sapsis wrote: > > Pop quiz. In a fall from 28', how fast would I be going when I hit the > ground? > > Bill S. > www.sapsis-rigging.com > 800.727.7471 > 800.292.3851 fax > 267.278.4561 mobile ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0E0CDE94AC5F92428C823684D00244E602038E28 [at] exchange10.mercury.ad.ubc.ca> From: "Riter, Andrew (Head Ltg)" Subject: RE: local heads vs show heads Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:16:28 -0800 In most staffed houses (whether union or not), the house crew is the = house crew, and will always be there (if there is a house crew, and = that crew might be only 1 person, ie the House Tech). Larger houses = will often have a compliment of different department heads, numbers varying depending on contract and needs. The local minimum is typically Head Stage (aka Head Carp), Head of = Lights, Head of Sound. The symphony will have a Head of Props, and = maybe no HS. Bigger touring shows, or locally presented shows for that = matter, may need Head Wardrobe, Head Video, etc etc. If your Local Promoter insists on bringing in his own crew, treat them = as if they are touring show heads. Your crew is responsible for = fitting their show into your venue without damaging it, and helping = make their show the best it can be. Their heads give instructions about setting the show up and running it, and your = heads are responsible for ensuring that happens. If your labour contract doesn't give you sole jurisdiction, and your = employer (venue owner?) is not willing to insist that your crew is in = the building at all times, when the client is in, the I think you are = SOL. (**** out of luck). Is the venue owner/manager willing to open up the building for the = promoter and their crew without any of your staff there to protect = his/her investment and assets? If the answer is Yes, are they willing = to do that for every other promoter, because sure enough other promoters are going to start to demand the unfettered = access (and lower labour costs). Andrew M. Riter Head Lighting Technician Chan Centre for the Performing Arts University of British Columbia 6265 Crescent Road Vancouver, BC, V6T 1Z1 604-822-2372 604-822-1606 fax chanlights [at] exchange.ubc.ca ************* You understand, we are tied down to a language which makes up in = obscurity what it lacks in style =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Stoppard, R&G are Dead ********************* ------------------------------ From: "Joe Golden" Subject: RE: How to quiet a fog machine? Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:19:42 -0800 Message-ID: In-reply-to: Part of the problem is you are using the wrong fluid. Neutron Haze fluid is only for the Neutron Hazer, they make a G300 haze fluid that will work much better. HTH Joe But now we barely have any smoke as we are using Neutron Haze Fluid. We love the haze this produces after it comes out as "smoke". -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/160 - Release Date: 11/3/2005 ------------------------------ From: "Joe Golden" Subject: RE: Job search options in the San Diego area. Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:22:35 -0800 Message-ID: In-reply-to: I would believe it after last years LDI Joe Ah CB a man after my own heart. Can't we get together and teach a class in this? No one believes me when I tell them how I get work. Well my wife does but she's a lush too. :) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/160 - Release Date: 11/3/2005 ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Falling distance Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:40:43 -0000 Message-ID: In-reply-to: > >> /tongue depressed firmly into cheek/ > >> > >> And if Frank were PUSHED off that catwalk, how much faster would > >> he then > >> fall.....??? > >> > >> /tongue out of cheek/ > >> > > With or without Mafia Block attached? -- > > Jerry Durand > > /tongue continued in cheek/ > > He wouldn't fall, of course, he'd FLOAT... he's been there 40 years, > he knows the space, it's the only space or experience relevant to any > discussion. > > "18 feet? Why that's nothing. I fall 18 feet every morning just > getting out of the hammock in the catwalks as I reach for the scotch > and cigarettes. It's all in knowing how to land. Simple." > > /outta cheek/ > > -=Greg Williams=- Could be summat t' do wi' him stalking the catwalks in bare feet..... Makes the landin' softer, I s'pose.... 8-)) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:45:49 -0500 Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: Falling distance From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Well, I was thinking that the answer would be 0 mph as I was talking about 'when' I hit the ground. But Rich and Ken got it the speed right in the 'just before' department. And Rich, you're right about that sudden stop. I tell my guys that when they run out of room falling down they have to fall back up. Haven't had much luck with that myself though. That was fun. Thanks Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 11/3/05 3:47 PM, "Richard Wolpert" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Oops... made a slight error ( 28 ft/sec instead of 32 ft/sec in the velocity > calculations)..... here's the accurate calculations... > > Simple physics.... > > Distance = 1/2 acceleration x time (squared) > Acceleration is earth gravitational, so value is 32 ft/sec/sec. > > 28ft. = 1/2 32 x Time squared > > 28ft. = 16 x Time squared > > 28/16 = Time squared > > 1.3229 sec. = Time to fall to the deck > > > Velocity = Acceleration x Time > > Velocity in feet/sec. = Vfs= 32 ft x 1.3229 sec = 42.313 ft/sec > > Velocity in miles per hour = Vmph = 5280 ft. / 3600 sec = 1.4666 ft./ sec. > > Vmph = Vfs / 1.4666 = 42.313 / 1.4666 > > Vmph = 28.84 > > Remember. It's not the fall that hurts. It's the sudden stop at the bottom! > > > > > Richard A.Wolpert > President > Union Connector Co., Inc. > 40 Dale Street > West Babylon, NY 11704 > Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204 > Fx: 631-753-9560 > richw [at] unionconnector.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Richard > Wolpert > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:43 PM > To: Stagecraft > Cc: Rees [at] fredonia.edu > Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: Falling distance > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Simple physics.... > > Distance = 1/2 acceleration x time (squared) > Acceleration is earth gravitational, so value is 32 ft/sec/sec. > > 28ft. = 1/2 32 x Time squared > > 28ft. = 16 x Time squared > > 28/16 = Time squared > > 1.3229 sec. = Time to fall to the deck > > > Velocity = Acceleration x Time > > Velocity in feet/sec. = Vfs= 28 ft x 1.3229 sec = 37.0412 ft/sec > > Velocity in miles per hour = Vmph = 5280 ft. / 3600 sec = 1.4666 ft./ sec. > > Vmph = Vfs / 1.4666 = 37.0412 / 1.4666 > > Vmph = 25.255 > > Remember. It's not the fall that hurts. It's the sudden stop at the bottom! > > > Richard A.Wolpert > President > Union Connector Co., Inc. > 40 Dale Street > West Babylon, NY 11704 > Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204 > Fx: 631-753-9560 > richw [at] unionconnector.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Stephen E. > Rees > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:43 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Falling distance > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Whoever answers this, please show your work. Am curious to learn this. > Thanks. > Steve > > Bill Sapsis wrote: > >> >> Pop quiz. In a fall from 28', how fast would I be going when I hit the >> ground? >> >> Bill S. >> www.sapsis-rigging.com >> 800.727.7471 >> 800.292.3851 fax >> 267.278.4561 mobile > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3998154b0511031411y2a7f158dkeba32ca957c76d69 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:11:11 -0800 From: Paul Puppo Subject: Re: Job search options in the San Diego area. In-Reply-To: References: When I was at the Old Globe, 1980, something or other... We used to go to a little dive bar on the other side of the park called "The Alibi." Ah... 2 pool tables, $1.25 draft beers, a juke box (5 plays/$.25), with Patsy Cline, Benny Goodman, and the Beatles! When we didn't go there we'd grill swordfish out on the Globe's back deck in Balboa park, listening to the peacocks in the zoo, cry at the sunset. (Wail at the dying sun?) Paul Puppo http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:05:41, CB wrote: > > >Anybody know of a place to begin a stage craft job search in San Diego? > > Nunu's. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:24:25 -0500 From: Ken Romaine Subject: Re: Falling distance In-Reply-To: References:

Rich: I'm looking forward to seeing a fellow Long Islander at LDI. That said - your calculations are correct except for the "Velocity in feet/sec. =3D Vfs=3D 28 ft x 1.3229 sec =3D 37.0412 ft/sec" part. Velocity at the end of a given time is the product of acceleration and time.=20 So: V =3D 32ft/sec/sec * 1.3229 sec V =3D 42.3328 ft/sec etc., etc., strand. The sudden stop at the bottom is a high-g event. -- Ken Romaine Northeast US Sales Manager - Barco Events The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 11/3/05, Richard Wolpert wrote: > Simple physics.... > Distance =3D 1/2 acceleration x time (squared) > Acceleration is earth gravitational, so value is 32 ft/sec/sec. > 28ft. =3D 1/2 32 x Time squared > 28ft. =3D 16 x Time squared > 28/16 =3D Time squared > 1.3229 sec. =3D Time to fall to the deck > > Velocity =3D Acceleration x Time > Velocity in feet/sec. =3D Vfs=3D 28 ft x 1.3229 sec =3D 37.0412 ft/sec > Velocity in miles per hour =3D Vmph =3D 5280 ft. / 3600 sec =3D 1.4666 f= t./ sec. > Vmph =3D Vfs / 1.4666 =3D 37.0412 / 1.4666 > Vmph =3D 25.255 > > Remember. It's not the fall that hurts. It's the sudden stop at the botto= m! ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:27:47 -0500 From: Ken Romaine Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: Falling distance In-Reply-To: References:

Rich: OK - so I'm not too bright. I should read the entire set of messages BEFORE posting my reply. Sorry. Still looking forward to seeing you at LDI though. Ken On 11/3/05, Richard Wolpert wrote: > Oops... made a slight error ( 28 ft/sec instead of 32 ft/sec in the veloc= ity > calculations)..... here's the accurate calculations... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <17559.69.59.200.119.1131058088.squirrel [at] webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References:

Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:48:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Falling distance From: "Bill Nelson" > Vmph = Vfs / 1.4666 = 37.0412 / 1.4666 If anyone wants to remember the conversion factor in the future, I learned an easy one in high school - several centuries ago. 60 mph is equal to 88 ft/sec. Bill ------------------------------ From: "Richard Wolpert" Subject: RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: Falling distance Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:51:28 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Ken, No apology necessary. See you at LDI. We're at Booth 881 and we've got kegs of BASS Ale. Come thirsty! Richard A.Wolpert President Union Connector Co., Inc. 40 Dale Street West Babylon, NY 11704 Ph: 631-753-9550 ext. 204 Fx: 631-753-9560 richw [at] unionconnector.com -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of Ken Romaine Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 5:28 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: Falling distance For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Rich: OK - so I'm not too bright. I should read the entire set of messages BEFORE posting my reply. Sorry. Still looking forward to seeing you at LDI though. Ken On 11/3/05, Richard Wolpert wrote: > Oops... made a slight error ( 28 ft/sec instead of 32 ft/sec in the velocity > calculations)..... here's the accurate calculations... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <216.d372669.309c04af [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:26:23 EST Subject: Re: Falling distance In a message dated 03/11/05 19:14:57 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > Let > me know if this method meets with your approval, Frank. > Now, the thing comes in handy for many, many other things, but I mostly > keep it around as a reminder of finer days. Not sure if you mean the method of securing the cable, or that of disconnecting it. For the latter, I should use a pair of heavily insulated wire-cutting pliers, which I usually have to hand. For the former, I can see why they do it. It is a difficulty when some dink trips over the cable and disconnects the lead guitar. That said, you should never have to do it. Equipment should be properly wired, and fed from an RCD-protected outlet, correctly installed. I know that this is a counsel of perfection. Many 'musicians' will lift earth wires as a quick fix for hum problems, instead of solving the real problem: many venues don't know what an RCD is. Myself, I prefer not to work with such people, or venues. But I guess that when you are touring you have to take what you get. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:31:56 EST Subject: Re: Falling distance In a message dated 03/11/05 19:48:58 GMT Standard Time, jdurand [at] interstellar.com writes: > >And if Frank were PUSHED off that catwalk, how much faster would he then > >fall.....??? > > > >/tongue out of cheek/ > > With or without Mafia Block attached? It would make no difference, although it would complicate landing. Galileo demonstrated that with small and large cannonballs in the 17th century. The mass of a falling object has no effect on its fall rate. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:39:39 EST Subject: Re: Falling distance In a message dated 03/11/05 20:37:45 GMT Standard Time, richw [at] unionconnector.com writes: > Remember. It's not the fall that hurts. It's the sudden stop at the bottom! This is very true. Controlled falling techniques are designed to minimise this. Parachutists learn how, and fall arrest systems do the same job. Both reduce the rate of deceleration. Military parachutists use fall arresters when doing HALO (High Altitude Low Opening) drops to reduce the shock when the main parachute opens. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <6.50d73273.309c0b0b [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 19:53:31 EST Subject: Re: Falling distance In a message dated 03/11/05 20:38:43 GMT Standard Time, gwilliams [at] appstate.edu writes: > "18 feet? Why that's nothing. I fall 18 feet every morning just > getting out of the hammock in the catwalks as I reach for the scotch > and cigarettes. It's all in knowing how to land. Simple." There is a grain of truth in this nonsensical post. It is indeed in knowing how to land. Being mentally prepared. What do you do when the A-frame goes out from under you, when the Tallecsope goes over? Neither has happened to me, but I am aware of the possibility, and I have a prepered response. Many years ago, a stone shattered the windscren of my car, when I was driving at 70mph on a motorway. I didn't hesitate, I just put my fist through the windscreen, so that I could see where I was going. That is the level of reaction you need. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:54:34 -0500 From: Daniel Kelly Subject: Re: Philly area rental houses? In-Reply-To: References:

Additionally: Vision Technical Group of Pottstown - 610-495-8050 http://www.visiontechnicalgroup.com Tri-Tech Stage Lighting in Abington - 215-659-4305 Which Nutcracker are you doing? -- Daniel J. Kelly Philadelphia, PA, USA On 11/1/05, Bill Sapsis wrote: > > Mainlight in Wilmington DE > Starlight in New Jersey. > > Bill S. > > On 11/1/05 9:33 AM, "IAEG [at] aol.com" wrote: > > > Friends, , with the demise of McMANUS, > > > > I need some reccomendations for Philadelphia area rental houses for a P= hilly > > suburb area Nutcracker. > > > > my needs aren't great, some Source Four pars, , some basic old fashio= ned > > side arms, a couple of dry ice style foggers, , etc > > > > any suggestions ? ------------------------------ From: MissWisc [at] aol.com Message-ID: <24e.276602.309c2c13 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:14:27 EST Subject: Re: Job search options in the San Diego area. joe [at] stage-tech.com writes: <> My husband's last touring gig came when he wrote a thank you note after being rejected. He really liked the guy who was doing the hiring and had heard a lot of good things about the company. (Yes. It IS a theatre company.) Less than 24 hours later he had an offer and loved the tour. It's all about playing well with others. The rest can be learned. Kristi ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002101c5e0ff$af46eb30$0600000a [at] BRUTUS> From: "Jon Ares" References:

Subject: Re: Job search options in the San Diego area. Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:22:01 -0800 > When I was at the Old Globe, 1980, something or other... We used to > go to a little dive bar on the other side of the park called "The > Alibi." Ahh... 'round these parts, there is also a place called "The Alibi" - what a wonderful place. http://www.critiki.com/cgi-bin/pictures.cgi?loc_id=141 or http://tinyurl.com/ambux . I'd been going there with friends off and on for years before it was bought up (quite unbeknownst to me at the time) by a couple of friends of mine, whom I knew in the restaurant biz back when I was a college student/actor/waiter. Great place.... - Jon Ares www.hevanet.com/acreative ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3998154b0511040039i23926be6re9e320f31b02895b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:39:05 -0800 From: Paul Puppo Subject: Re: Job search options in the San Diego area. In-Reply-To: References:

The San Diego Alibi (I don't even know if it's still there, maybe Laren can do some recon...) had none of the charm of a tiki bar.=20 Just quiet and simple. I like the links to the Tiki culture... I did some research on the San Francisco Tonga Room for an up coming batchalor party. Thanks, Paul http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com On 11/3/05, Jon Ares wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > > Ahh... 'round these parts, there is also a place called "The Alibi" - wh= at > a wonderful place. http://www.critiki.com/cgi-bin/pictures.cgi?loc_id=3D= 141 > or http://tinyurl.com/amb>ux . ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #572 *****************************