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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 25412172; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 03:01:32 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #576 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 03:00:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #576 1. a simple etc express 24/48 question by Adam Berns 2. Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question by Kevin Holly 3. Re: Automated Madness by Stephen Litterst 4. Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question by "Adam Berns" 5. Re: HELP PLEASE with Express effect cue by Cris Dopher 6. Re: Internet access while travelling by b Ricie 7. Re: HELP PLEASE with Express effect cue by "Adam Berns" 8. Re: Internet access while travelling by Greg Bierly 9. Re: Getting black background from video by Greg Bierly 10. Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 11. Re: Getting black background from video by "Michael Diederich" 12. Re: Personnel lift recommendations by Mike Voytko 13. Re: Automated Madness by "Aaron W. Braun" 14. Re: Automated Madness by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 15. Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question by Adam Berns 16. Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question by Stephen Litterst 17. Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question by Adam Berns 18. Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question by Stephen Litterst 19. Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question by Adam Berns 20. Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question by "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" 21. Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 22. Re: HELP PLEASE with Express effect cue by Brian Aldous 23. Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 24. Re: Fall Arrest by Paul Puppo 25. Re: Getting black background from video by Joe 26. Re: Automated Madness by Gillian Koch 27. Preventing color burn out by "Laura McMeley" 28. Re: Internet access at LDI in Orlando by "Thad Kramer" 29. Re: Preventing color burn out by "Chris Warner" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <10201852.1131376326232.JavaMail.gunntd [at] mac.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 07:12:06 -0800 From: Adam Berns Subject: a simple etc express 24/48 question One of the things I have never been able to figure out on this board is the following scenario: I have a channel, say 26 [at] 30% I also have channel 26 in a submaster. I want to change the percentage to 25%. The only way I could figure out how to do this using the submaster is to set the level to 0 and re-reocrd the cue, then I could use the submaster to adjust the level. Yes I know in this case I could just type the value, but when using M-scrollers, this is not my prefered method. Is there any way to do this. ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 09:31:48 -0600 From: Kevin Holly Subject: Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >One of the things I have never been able to figure out on this board >is the following scenario: >I have a channel, say 26 [at] 30% I also have channel 26 in a submaster. >I want to change the percentage to 25%. The only way I could figure >out how to do this using the submaster is to set the level to 0 and >re-reocrd the cue, then I could use the submaster to adjust the >level. Yes I know in this case I could just type the value, but >when using M-scrollers, this is not my prefered method. Is there >any way to do this. The confusing Group Sub key command is the answer (GROUP SUB 4 [at] 25%). Although, if Channel 26 is the only channel in the Submaster just use channel 26 [at] 25. Group Sub: easily the most confusing part of the Expression software IMHO. -- Kevin Holly Technical Director-Libertyville High School ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:39:41 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Automated Madness In-reply-to: Message-id: <436F753D.2010208 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Gillian Koch wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > But anyway, back to my original purpose for leaving lurk-mode... the > TD here at Drexel and I have been having problems with the automated > fixtures we were planning on using for the school's production of > "Ahab: A Musical Odyssey". We were plugging cues into the board the > other night and in the middle of one such cue set the fixture "forgot" > itself and would not respond to input from the board. This has > happened more than once, and the TD's thinking of scrapping the > fixtures from the show. Is there anything that we're not doing or > doing wrong that may be perpetuating the problem? Before tearing your hair out diagnosing a termination problem or bad cable, check the programming on the control channel for those units. It's conceivable that you've accidentally faded through the reset level, and those units aren't responding because they're busy resetting. Or destriking. Or the shutter has closed. I've just finished fighting that battle with our MLs. Somehow the lamp-strike command got recorded into a cue, and when the unit faded to that level, it crossed through the reset setting. Steve l. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ From: "Adam Berns" Subject: RE: a simple etc express 24/48 question Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 07:46:38 -0800 Message-ID: <000301c5e3b2$70b52250$6400a8c0 [at] adamhome> In-Reply-To: That kind of does it. Though, I still need to type in the value manually. I need to be able to change the value via the slider. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Holly Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:32 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >One of the things I have never been able to figure out on this board >is the following scenario: >I have a channel, say 26 [at] 30% I also have channel 26 in a submaster. >I want to change the percentage to 25%. The only way I could figure >out how to do this using the submaster is to set the level to 0 and >re-reocrd the cue, then I could use the submaster to adjust the >level. Yes I know in this case I could just type the value, but >when using M-scrollers, this is not my prefered method. Is there >any way to do this. The confusing Group Sub key command is the answer (GROUP SUB 4 [at] 25%). Although, if Channel 26 is the only channel in the Submaster just use channel 26 [at] 25. Group Sub: easily the most confusing part of the Expression software IMHO. -- Kevin Holly Technical Director-Libertyville High School ------------------------------ Message-Id: From: Cris Dopher Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE with Express effect cue Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:57:34 -0500 Sounds to me like you need two effects cues. I don't have an Express handy to verify this on, but I believe you can write them into two different submasters and run them at the same time. One effect to handle the intensity, the other effect to handle the scroller levels, as you had them written in your example. If the effect is written correctly, you shouldn't have the scroller levels dropping below their minimums or going above their maximums, not until you shut off the effect. Be sure to set you minimum and maximum levels in the effect steps correctly (the ones at the right-hand side of the screen - these levels have their own column - not the levels you're writing into the steps individually. If the scrollers are still misbehaving, a quick and dirty solution would be to write a new dimmer profile with those minimums and maximums written in, then write a macro reassigning the dimmers in question to the new profiles. This will allow the board op to re- assign the profiles in one button push and get all the effects going with two sliders. You'll need to write a macro re-assigning the scroller dimmers back to normal operation, of course. Obviously, a moving lights board would make this easier. ;) Cris Dopher ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051107160039.24705.qmail [at] web50612.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:00:39 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: Re: Internet access while travelling In-Reply-To: There are a lot of $9.95/month dial up services out there. I use bluelight Internet and have never had a problem. I was on the road for 6 months last year, touring North America, and even had a local dial up in Glace Bay Canada.I also had better luck finding local dial up numbers then the people using AOL. Dial up tends to be a bit slower than wireless but at 9.95/mo it is a far sight cheaper than purchasing service from a coffee shop or hotel. Hotel selection is also important. 4/5 stars hotels are nice, but you are going to pay for everything. The middle of the road hotels often offer free Internet, some even offer free wireless cards with the service. Verizon has finally offered DSL in my area at a reasonable price, and I almost bought in until I found out it does not come with remote dial up service. I am gonna be sticking to my cheap, slow, but very easy to find everywhere (so far) in North America, dial up service. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ------------------------------ From: "Adam Berns" Subject: RE: HELP PLEASE with Express effect cue Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 08:07:19 -0800 Message-ID: <000401c5e3b5$54a71930$6400a8c0 [at] adamhome> In-Reply-To: There are two things we ended up going with here: 1. Setting up a subroutine which did the job OKAY 2. Skipped the rotating colors, just set each scroller to a different color in the cue, and randomized the lights, this is what we ended up with. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Cris Dopher Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:58 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE with Express effect cue For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Sounds to me like you need two effects cues. I don't have an Express handy to verify this on, but I believe you can write them into two different submasters and run them at the same time. One effect to handle the intensity, the other effect to handle the scroller levels, as you had them written in your example. If the effect is written correctly, you shouldn't have the scroller levels dropping below their minimums or going above their maximums, not until you shut off the effect. Be sure to set you minimum and maximum levels in the effect steps correctly (the ones at the right-hand side of the screen - these levels have their own column - not the levels you're writing into the steps individually. If the scrollers are still misbehaving, a quick and dirty solution would be to write a new dimmer profile with those minimums and maximums written in, then write a macro reassigning the dimmers in question to the new profiles. This will allow the board op to re- assign the profiles in one button push and get all the effects going with two sliders. You'll need to write a macro re-assigning the scroller dimmers back to normal operation, of course. Obviously, a moving lights board would make this easier. ;) Cris Dopher ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Internet access while travelling Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:31:12 -0500 For wi-fi access I have found the Canary Wireless (canarywireless.com) sniffer a very good product. You can get a sniffer with a couple of LED's for under $20 but the Canary unit for $50 will show you the name of the network, signal level, and open/secure status. All this without having to pull out and boot your computer. I use MacStumbler while the computer is out but the Canary Wireless while just snooping around for an open network. I don't work for them and there are a few drawbacks to their product but I still haven't found anything better yet. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <977a86a5a8b51a554e78e8306f287822 [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Getting black background from video Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 11:39:57 -0500 > How black were you able to get the black from the > projector? Never black enough. As was previously mentioned a shutter system works the best with video projection. Upon a tip from the list CD-rom trays have been used effectively for a show with 7 projectors here at Hempfield. I now have an AV shutter system I got off ebay for our main projector that works nicely. Drop me a line if you need any further details. BTW it was nice to finally meet you face to face. If anyone is in the Central PA area the Sight and Sound "Behind the Scenes" tour is worth every penny just for the WOW factor. Good luck. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: a simple etc express 24/48 question Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:17:01 -0500 Message-ID: <000601c5e3bf$14dd6700$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: The only way I could figure > out how to do this using the submaster is to set the level to > 0 and re-reocrd the cue, then I could use the submaster to > adjust the level. Yes I know in this case I could just type > the value, but when using M-scrollers, this is not my > prefered method. Is there any way to do this. Make an inhibitive sub. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Getting black background from video Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:41:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Michael Diederich" >>>> Upon a tip from the list CD-rom trays=20 have been used effectively for a show with 7 projectors here at=20 Hempfield. I now have an AV shutter system I got off ebay for our main=20 projector that works nicely.<<<< I had a group come through with a RC car set-up that worked for cheap. They attached shutter to the axle and controlled it through from the sound board at the back of the theater (approx. 60 ft.). It was a cheap and easy way rather than spending the money for possibly expensive parts for one production.=20 I've also found a black slide in a PowerPoint slideshow does not show as a projection. If it were to show you may be able to use the custom color function to match the scrim/screen "black."=20 Mike Diederich MVCC Utica, NY ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Mike Voytko Subject: Re: Personnel lift recommendations Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:02:14 -0500 If you can't afford (or your floors can't support!) a JLG 20DVL driveable, JLG's smallest model, the 15AMI push-around unit is a great second choice. Much lighter at ~700 lbs, and with two great features: 1) the 15AMI does not use outriggers--it's easy to miss this fact in the sales brochure. A simple foot stop locks the machine in place; much easier than Genie's IWP foot pump mechanism. 2) the extending basket option is soooo wonderful in reaching over those pesky bits of scenery! We own two AC machines. Picked them up for about $5500 each, and we love 'em. Cheers, Mike V. -- Mike Voytko Lighting & Sound Supervisor TSOA Theatrical Production New York University ------------------------------ From: "Aaron W. Braun" Subject: RE: Automated Madness Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:04:55 -0600 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Check your cues to make sure that the control channel did not accidentally end up in the cues. I assume that you are using fixture personalities to drive the fixtures and not using individual channel control. Personalities ensure that the correct attributes are marked as independent and LTP so the grand master doesn't affect them. If you are using inhibitive submasters, make sure that the control channel is not in them. I have seen inhibitives affect independent channels. Finally, go to Setup, (2) Output Configuration, (S4) DMX Speed, and change the DMX speed to (2) medium. Some DMX devices to not like the higher baud rates at which ETC consoles default. You mentioned that you have three strands of DMX. Are these three separate universes plugged into the three outputs of the console, or one universe going through an opto splitter? (Never use a DMX twofer, threefer, etc...) If you are using the three console outputs, try swapping the outputs. You can change the start DMX address for each port in the same screen that you change the DMX speed. (This way, you don't have to repatch.) If the problem moves with the cable, you may have a DMX cable problem, or a bad fixture on that line that is throwing garbage onto the line. If the problem stays with the port, you may have a bad DMX driver chip. The same things apply with an opto splitter. Sincerely, Aaron Braun Ardee Design Group, LLC Nashville, TN -----Original Message----- Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:28:48 -0500 From: Gillian Koch Subject: Automated Madness The TD here at Drexel and I have been having problems with the automated fixtures we were planning on using for the school's production of "Ahab: A Musical Odyssey". We were plugging cues into the board the other night and in the middle of one such cue set the fixture "forgot" itself and would not respond to input from the board. This has happened more than once, and the TD's thinking of scrapping the fixtures from the show. Is there anything that we're not doing or doing wrong that may be perpetuating the problem? The fixtures are six High End Systems TechnoBeams all of them new to the theatre as of this past year. The console is the ETC Expression 3 again a little over a year old. Five of the fixtures are linked to one another, and terminated at the end. The ones that have been giving us issues are on that strand of DMX. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <234.9acd37.30a0fc4b [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 13:51:55 EST Subject: Re: Automated Madness In a message dated 07/11/05 02:29:20 GMT Standard Time, gil.koch [at] gmail.com writes: > The fixtures are six High End Systems TechnoBeams all of them new to > the theatre as of this past year. The console is the ETC Expression 3 > again a little over a year old. > > Five of the fixtures are linked to one another, and terminated at the > end. The ones that have been giving us issues are on that strand of > DMX. I don't know the fixtures in question, but it is posible that they have terminate/bridge switches, which save you chasing around to find a terminator while rigging. Multiple terminations can be as bad as no termination. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <12810700.1131393538896.JavaMail.gunntd [at] mac.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 11:58:58 -0800 From: Adam Berns Subject: Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question in-reply-to: references: The problem with that is I then have to keep them up for every que. What i have is 6 morpheus M-Scrollers. running in CMY mode (each channel controlers either C or M or Y). I want to be able to change these on the fly. For example. Sub master 11 is channel 67, 12-->68, 13-->69 in Q8, channel 11-->ff, 12-->41%, 13-->50% Lets say that we run through the show, passed Q8,Q9, and Q10. We then decide in Q9 to change the value of Channel 12 to some amount (unkown). To fix that I would have to eaither use the trackpad or the + and - keys, I would rather use the submaster to change the value. To do this, I would have to set Channel 12 to 0, re-record the que, run the que, then I could use the submasters. I know this is a confusing concept, but I am not sure how else to explain it. On Monday, November 07, 2005, at 09:17AM, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >The only way I could figure >> out how to do this using the submaster is to set the level to >> 0 and re-reocrd the cue, then I could use the submaster to >> adjust the level. Yes I know in this case I could just type >> the value, but when using M-scrollers, this is not my >> prefered method. Is there any way to do this. > >Make an inhibitive sub. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:26:35 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question In-reply-to: Message-id: <436FB87B.20805 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Adam Berns wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > The problem with that is I then have to keep them up for every que. What i have is 6 morpheus M-Scrollers. running in CMY mode (each channel controlers either C or M or Y). I want to be able to change these on the fly. For example. > > Sub master 11 is channel 67, 12-->68, 13-->69 > > in Q8, channel 11-->ff, 12-->41%, 13-->50% > > Lets say that we run through the show, passed Q8,Q9, and Q10. We then decide in Q9 to change the value of Channel 12 to some amount (unkown). To fix that I would have to eaither use the trackpad or the + and - keys, I would rather use the submaster to change the value. To do this, I would have to set Channel 12 to 0, re-record the que, run the que, then I could use the submasters. Ok, now I'm confused. You want to be able to control them on the fly, but without leaving the subs up? I think Jeff's idea of the inhibitive sub is the best solution. If you need to increase a level, you raise the relevant sub. if you need to decrease a level, you lower the relevent inhibitive sub. I don't remember if Express allows you to change the HTP/LTP status of a submaster. That might be worth looking into. The problem with that approach is that the scroller will move to the level of the sub as soon as the sub is active (so as soon as you raise the sub, the scroller flips to 01%). One thing that may make the trackpad more attractive is to use a PDA stylus to adjust things on it. That offers slightly more precision than a fingertip. All things considered thus far, I think the inhibitive submaster idea is your best chance for being able to run the scrollers the way you'd like. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <5433099.1131395575525.JavaMail.gunntd [at] mac.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 12:32:55 -0800 From: Adam Berns Subject: Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question in-reply-to: references:

Okay, but what I don't get is the following. If I change the submaster to a inhibitive Sub, I can't record the level of the sub in that que, change it in the next q, and the levels be different. For example, if I in Q1 set chanell 11-->12% and record that, then in Q2, I change channel 11-->50%, the level in Q1 is 50%, not 12%, unless I am doing something wrong. On Monday, November 07, 2005, at 12:26PM, Stephen Litterst wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Adam Berns wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> The problem with that is I then have to keep them up for every que. What i have is 6 morpheus M-Scrollers. running in CMY mode (each channel controlers either C or M or Y). I want to be able to change these on the fly. For example. >> >> Sub master 11 is channel 67, 12-->68, 13-->69 >> >> in Q8, channel 11-->ff, 12-->41%, 13-->50% >> >> Lets say that we run through the show, passed Q8,Q9, and Q10. We then decide in Q9 to change the value of Channel 12 to some amount (unkown). To fix that I would have to eaither use the trackpad or the + and - keys, I would rather use the submaster to change the value. To do this, I would have to set Channel 12 to 0, re-record the que, run the que, then I could use the submasters. > >Ok, now I'm confused. You want to be able to control them on the fly, >but without leaving the subs up? > >I think Jeff's idea of the inhibitive sub is the best solution. If >you need to increase a level, you raise the relevant sub. if you need >to decrease a level, you lower the relevent inhibitive sub. > >I don't remember if Express allows you to change the HTP/LTP status of >a submaster. That might be worth looking into. The problem with that >approach is that the scroller will move to the level of the sub as >soon as the sub is active (so as soon as you raise the sub, the >scroller flips to 01%). > >One thing that may make the trackpad more attractive is to use a PDA >stylus to adjust things on it. That offers slightly more precision >than a fingertip. > >All things considered thus far, I think the inhibitive submaster idea >is your best chance for being able to run the scrollers the way you'd >like. > >Steve L. > >-- >Stephen C. Litterst >Technical Supervisor >Ithaca College >Dept. of Theatre Arts >607/274-3947 >slitterst [at] ithaca.edu > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 15:40:00 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question In-reply-to: Message-id: <436FBBA0.4030409 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Adam Berns wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Okay, but what I don't get is the following. If I change the submaster to a inhibitive Sub, I can't record the level of the sub in that que, change it in the next q, and the levels be different. For example, if I in Q1 set chanell 11-->12% and record that, then in Q2, I change channel 11-->50%, the level in Q1 is 50%, not 12%, unless I am doing something wrong. What you'll need is two subs for every channel. A pile-on sub (normal) for 0-100% and an inhibitive sub for 100-0%. In cue 10, ch 11 is at 50% and you want to bring it down to 45%. Pull the inhibitive sub for that channel down to 45% and record. In cue 11, ch11 is recorded at 30% and you want to increase it to 38%. Pull up the pile-on sub to 38% and record. This isn't my ideal way of using these scrollers. It sounds time intensive and confusing, but it fits within the parameters you've given. Next show, try setting them up as moving lights, and pre-mixing a palette of colours that you record in focus groups. If you find that you need to tweak a specific colour, then you can update the focus group and the change will be made in every cue you've recorded that colour. Just my $.02 Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Message-ID: <14892699.1131396191738.JavaMail.gunntd [at] mac.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 12:43:11 -0800 From: Adam Berns Subject: Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question in-reply-to: references:

This is my first time working with scrollers. I have read more about setting them up as moving lights, and I think next time, I will do it that way. So I guess, for now, I will jsut have to record the Q with the levels at 0. and then re-record. On Monday, November 07, 2005, at 12:40PM, Stephen Litterst wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Adam Berns wrote: >> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> Okay, but what I don't get is the following. If I change the submaster to a inhibitive Sub, I can't record the level of the sub in that que, change it in the next q, and the levels be different. For example, if I in Q1 set chanell 11-->12% and record that, then in Q2, I change channel 11-->50%, the level in Q1 is 50%, not 12%, unless I am doing something wrong. > >What you'll need is two subs for every channel. A pile-on sub (normal) >for 0-100% and an inhibitive sub for 100-0%. > >In cue 10, ch 11 is at 50% and you want to bring it down to 45%. Pull >the inhibitive sub for that channel down to 45% and record. In cue >11, ch11 is recorded at 30% and you want to increase it to 38%. Pull >up the pile-on sub to 38% and record. > >This isn't my ideal way of using these scrollers. It sounds time >intensive and confusing, but it fits within the parameters you've >given. Next show, try setting them up as moving lights, and >pre-mixing a palette of colours that you record in focus groups. If >you find that you need to tweak a specific colour, then you can update >the focus group and the change will be made in every cue you've >recorded that colour. > >Just my $.02 > >Steve L. > >-- >Stephen C. Litterst >Technical Supervisor >Ithaca College >Dept. of Theatre Arts >607/274-3947 >slitterst [at] ithaca.edu > > ------------------------------ From: "JUSTIN DAVID BENNETT" Subject: RE: a simple etc express 24/48 question Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 14:58:13 -0600 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Once upon a time I worked with a console made by EDI called the Ohmega2. It had the "feature" which allowed you to set the faders (or subs) to take control of an active channel when the fader level passed the recorded cue level. That fader then had complete control of the channel overriding the level in the cue. Like LTP instead of HTP. You could raise or lower at will. I believe this is what you want, but I have not been able to get an Express console to behave this way (much to my chagrin). It's a shame to, because nothing beats a fader for on the fly edits. Justin Bennett Technical Director / Theatre Manager St. Philip's College - Watson Fine Arts Center jbennett43 [at] mail.accd.edu (210) 531-4706 Office (210) 531-4768 Fax >>>>> The problem with that is I then have to keep them up for every que. What i have is 6 morpheus M-Scrollers. running in CMY mode (each channel controlers either C or M or Y). I want to be able to change these on the fly. For example. Sub master 11 is channel 67, 12-->68, 13-->69 in Q8, channel 11-->ff, 12-->41%, 13-->50% Lets say that we run through the show, passed Q8,Q9, and Q10. We then decide in Q9 to change the value of Channel 12 to some amount (unkown). To fix that I would have to eaither use the trackpad or the + and - keys, I would rather use the submaster to change the value. To do this, I would have to set Channel 12 to 0, re-record the que, run the que, then I could use the submasters. I know this is a confusing concept, but I am not sure how else to explain it. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: a simple etc express 24/48 question Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:06:04 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c5e3df$1448e1a0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Okay, but what I don't get is the following. If I change the > submaster to a inhibitive Sub, You have two subs -- one additive and one inhibitive. ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <18D48AEC-4FE5-11DA-B75D-000A9592AE20 [at] tany.com> From: Brian Aldous Subject: Re: HELP PLEASE with Express effect cue Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:20:34 -0500 I assume you've solved your problem or given up & moved on to Act 2 by now, but... An old-fashioned series of linked cues running on the CD fader may be your easiest answer here if a subroutine doesn't work. The "effects" programming on the Express will only make you crazy (ier) if I understand what you are trying to do. The "spreadsheet" in Blind mode will be the fastest place to get it done. BA Brian Aldous Lighting Design brian [at] tany.com On Nov 7, 2005, at 6:01 AM, Stagecraft wrote: > HELP PLEASE with Express effect cue ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:48:47 EST Subject: Re: a simple etc express 24/48 question In a message dated 07/11/05 20:43:41 GMT Standard Time, gunntd [at] mac.com writes: > This is my first time working with scrollers. I have read more about setting > them up as moving lights, and I think next time, I will do it that way. So I > guess, for now, I will jsut have to record the Q with the levels at 0. and > then re-record. In all honesty, I think that you need to read, and thoroughly understand, the manual. I have been here many times, with simpler problems. Manuals have a habit of suddenly introducing terms which you don't understand. Go back to the index, and look them up. If you have time, try them out.Contraptions like 'personalities' are hidden from me. The basic purpose of the control is not. It is to send the DMX signals that you, the LD, deem appropriate to the channels you want them to be sent to. Nothing else. Modern controls offer more ways to do this, at a large cost in understanding. If you are prepared to pay the price, OK .Myself, I am not.. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3998154b0511071723h385fabbg9d5499e47e88392a [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:23:56 -0800 From: Paul Puppo Subject: Re: Fall Arrest In-Reply-To: References:

Either that, or don your Peril Sensitive(r) Sunglasses. Paul Puppo http://www.Nifty-Gadgets.com On 11/6/05, Loren Schreiber wrote: >I have decided to adopt Douglas Adam's method. ------------------------------ Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.20051108040743.015a1b04 [at] pop.paonline.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:07:43 -0500 From: Joe Subject: Re: Getting black background from video > Rig a shutter to block the video when it is not being used. Can >be as simple as a flap of cardboard to DMX controlled shutter. > > --Dale In this case, I am wanting the deep black while I am actually projecting images surrounded by black. E.g. a galaxy or illustrations of the orbits of the planets. Joe Dunfee joe [at] dunfee.com Gordonville, Pennsylvania, U.S.A. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <7daa121e0511072046h5179c3f6u4b75a911f65da94b [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:46:44 -0500 From: Gillian Koch Subject: Re: Automated Madness "Happening to just one particular fixture or a couple of them?" The same problem has occurred with several of the fixtures. "Check your DMX cables to be sure they really are DMX cables, and termination isn't enabled elsewhere?" The cables we're using are three-pin shielded XLR, with a three- to five-pin adapter at the DMX box up on the catwalk. "Check cables for intermittent disconnection." Reconnected all (major) cables to the single technobeam with no issues. "Check firmware versions on all the instruments. Update?" Every fixture has been updated to High End's latest patch: 16G "Any error codes from the failed instrument?" No error codes whatsoever. "Are they still under service contract or warranty coverage?" Unknown at this point in time. "Are you using optically isolated splitters?" No splitters... just straight DMX to the box on the catwalk, which connects directly to the dimmer rack. "Does this occur to the same instrument(s) at the same Q sequence? If a lamp out command was somehow programmed into the Q then the lamp will stay out for several minutes until it cools down and told to restrike." Doesn't matter what cue we're in. We've actually caught that particular problem (due to the distinctive whirrrrrrr-click the fixtures have made as they go back to their default positions) a couple of times when programming. As an addendum, the idea has been addressed that the problem may be with the motor speed control on the console itself. Unfortunately, time crunch is such that it is nigh-impossible for us to figure out how to reset the motor speed before the performances begin and as such the fixtures have been officially cut. The TD has said that we'll be able to play with the fixtures and their problems after the show has run its course, but until then his hands are tied with everything else that needs to be done, and mine are too inexperienced to be sure I'm not messing something up permanently. If anyone knows of a quick fix to the motor speed control reset without screwing up any of the cues/patches that are already in the board, feel free to contact me off-list. Many thanks for all your help! Gillian Koch Lighting Technican/ME-in-training Drexel University ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "Laura McMeley" Subject: Preventing color burn out Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 00:05:57 -0600 I'm having trouble with some 2k fresnels burning through the L119 they have in them. I'm going to try the HT version tomorrow, but I have also heard of people scoring gel as a method of preventing or delaying burnouts and I was wondering if the list had any experience of this method. Do you think it works? What other tricks have you tried and how well did they work? Laura McMeley Resident Lighting Supervisor The Dallas Opera ------------------------------ From: "Thad Kramer" Subject: RE: Internet access at LDI in Orlando Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 01:15:52 -0500 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Hey all, Its been awhile since I last posted, but as in an intern at the LDI Institute I can inform you all of the following regarding internet access... We are currently staying at the Rosen Plaza hotel. Internet access is $10 per day here. I don't know about the other hotels. As for the convention center, its $5 per hour or $25 per day. Hope that helps, and I hope to see you here. Thad Kramer ------------------------------ From: "Chris Warner" Subject: RE: Preventing color burn out Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:43:32 -0800 Message-ID: <012601c5e42f$bcaae780$6401a8c0 [at] chris> In-Reply-To: Put some distance between the lens and the gel, also, add a UV protector between the gel and the lens. My .02. Chris Warner > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Laura > McMeley > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 10:06 PM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Preventing color burn out > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I'm having trouble with some 2k fresnels burning through the L119 they > have > in them. I'm going to try the HT version tomorrow, but I have also heard > of > people scoring gel as a method of preventing or delaying burnouts and I > was > wondering if the list had any experience of this method. Do you think it > works? What other tricks have you tried and how well did they work? > > Laura McMeley > Resident Lighting Supervisor > The Dallas Opera > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 11/5/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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