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Stagecraft Digest, Issue #588

 1. Re: Question #1
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
 2. Re: clown foam?
    by Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
 3. Re: A show called firedance
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
 4. Re: A show called firedance
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
 5. Re: Crew calling software
    by Jim Hyslop <jhyslop [at] dreampossible.ca>
 6. Re: A show called firedance
    by Jim Hyslop <jhyslop [at] dreampossible.ca>
 7. Re: lowest bidder
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
 8. Re: clown foam?
    by iaeg [at] aol.com
 9. Re: A show called firedance
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
10. Re: clown foam?
    by "LES LIND" <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>
11. Re: A show called firedance
    by iaeg [at] aol.com
12. Re: clown foam?
    by "LES LIND" <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>
13. Re: Cue Calling Software
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
14. Re: Question #1
    by "Chris Warner" <bearz2 [at] cox.net>
15. Re: A show called firedance
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
16. Re: A show called firedance
    by Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
17. Re: Employee status/was firedance
    by Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
18. Re: Cue Calling Software
    by Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
19. Re: Employee status/was firedance
    by "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
20. Re: Employee status/was firedance
    by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
21. question about seats
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
22. Re: question about seats
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
23. Re: question about seats
    by "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
24. Attached file test: Please ignore
    by "MIchael Burris" <mburris [at] floridastage.org>
25. Stage management discussion threads
    by "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
26. Re: Crew calling software
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
27. Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
    by Ken Romaine <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
28. Re: Attached file test: Please ignore
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
29. Re: Cue Calling Software - the upcoming SM thread consolidated
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
30. Re: Sam Gossard
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
31. Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
    by Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
32. Re: A show called firedance
    by "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>
33. Re: Sam Gossard
    by Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
34. Re: clown foam?
    by Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
35. Re: Cue Calling Software
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
36. Re: question about seats
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
37. Re: Cue Calling Software
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
38. Re: Certification info.
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
39. Re: Cue Calling Software
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
40. Re: Crew calling software
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
41. Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
42. Re: Question #1
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
43. Cue Calling Software - the upcoming SM thread consolidated
    by CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
44. Re: Crew calling software
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
45. Re: Question #1
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
46. Re: Crew calling software
    by Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
47. Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
    by Ken Romaine <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
48. Re: Cue Calling Software
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
49. Re: Stage management discussion threads
    by "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
50. Re: Question #1
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
51. Re: Cue Calling Software
    by "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
52. Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
    by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
53. Re: Cue Calling Software - the upcoming SM thread consolidated
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
54. Re: Cue Calling Software - the upcoming SM thread consolidated
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
55. Re: Cue Calling Software - the upcoming SM thread consolidated
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
56. Re: Sam Gossard
    by "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" <raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
57. Re: Cue Calling Software
    by Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
58. Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
59. apology
    by "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
60. Re: Sam Gossard
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
61. Re: Question #1
    by Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
62. Re: Sam Gossard
    by Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
63. Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
64. Re: Certification info.
    by Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
65. Re: apology
    by Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
66. Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
    by Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
67. Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
    by Ken Romaine <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
68. Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
69. Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
    by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
70. Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
    by Ken Romaine <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
71. Re: Sam Gossard
    by "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:20:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Question #1
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BFA1DFC5.8754%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25572722 [at] prxy.net>

Seattle

> From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:17:53 -0800
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: Question #1
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>>> Out here in the middle of nowhere, the closest thing to a
>>> Starbucks is Dunkin' Doughnuts!
>> 
>> In Manhattan, the thing that's usually closest to a Starbucks is...another
>> Starbucks.
>> 
> 
> 
> Try the Northwest, where they came from.
> 
> Do we REALLY need a 1-square-block mall to have a Starbutts on each of its 4
> floors??  Plus 2 outside said mall?
> 
> - Jon Ares
> www.hevanet.com/acreative
> 


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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:24:41 -0500
Subject: Re: clown foam?
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
Message-ID: <BFA1E0B9.8755%tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25525802 [at] prxy.net>

Just spoke last night with a former Ringling
Bros clown who said they used shaving cream,
not in aerosol form, nor mentholated, but the
kind in the container where the brush was
swirled around in it.  They put the cakes of
shaving cream in a food processor, then mixed it in
large containers with a motorized paint stirrer.
The more you stir, you thicker it gets.  You
can even add food coloring to it.

Steve

> From: IAEG [at] aol.com
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:36:48 EST
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: clown foam?
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/14/05 1:27:19 PM, stagecraft [at] healylott.com writes:
> 
> << 
> 
> Anyone know what the Big Apple Circus clowns are using for their
> 
> whipped/shaving cream substitute this year? They have an extended bit
> 
> built around a wallpaper-hanging motif that uses buckets of the stuff,
> 
> smearing it all over their faces, their clothes and the floor.
> 
> 
> It looked like some kind of synthetic goop to me -- much more viscosity
> 
> than I would expect from something water-based, or from real whipped
> 
> cream or shaving cream. When they dumped it on each other's heads, it
> 
> didn't go splashing to the floor; instead it would ooze. It also turned
> 
> into dusty-looking particles when they clapped their foamy hands together.
> 
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> Just curious,
> 
> Joe
> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> I do not know for certain what they are using, but traditionally "Clown Soap
> Suds"  are Ivory Soap flakes mixed with a drill mounted paint mixer in a pail.
> 
> maybe they have added a touch of glycerine ?
> 
> 
> 
> very best,
> 
> Keith Arsenault
> 
> IAEG -  International Arts & Entertainment Group
> Tampa, Florida


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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:42:24 -0500
Subject: Re: A show called firedance
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <BFA1E4E0.8C91%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25568662 [at] prxy.net>

I would be more concerned that they used it inappropriately. Like quoting me
or using my image in the future when I'm not attached to the project etc...

On 11/16/05 7:47 PM, "Bruce Purdy" <bpurdy [at] rochester.rr.com> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
>> They also want the right to my image..
> 
>     I would not think that this is so bad. (Certainly in relation to other
> parts of the contract!)
>     

-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:57:45 -0500
Subject: Re: A show called firedance
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <BFA1E879.8C97%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25572606 [at] prxy.net>


CB you are right. If we assume 2 things. 1) I have the funds and ability to
take them to court AND/OR 2) they are decent people with good intentions.

Mostly What this contract shows me is a lack of respect for the design
staff. They think very little of us and could care less if we were a part of
their project. These people can't be trusted and I won't be able to hold
them to the letter of their agreement (even if I can modify it) without
legal action. Yes we could run rings around them contractually but it's not
worth the effort when this is the "good faith" attempt at negotiation.

It's amusing though.

-H

On 11/16/05 11:02 PM, "CB" <psyd [at] cox.net> wrote:


> These are easy.  The more crap there is, the more apt they are to have made
> a mistake.
> Chris "Chris" Babbie
> Location Sound
> MON AZ
>
-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



------------------------------

Message-ID: <437C806B.3020700 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:06:51 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <jhyslop [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: DreamPossible Inc.
Subject: Re: Crew calling software
References: <list-25572118 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-25572118 [at] prxy.net>

Adam Zeek wrote:
> Once when I was running sound for a production with a rediculous number
> of sound cues I put the script into power point. I color coded all of
> the cues and even added notes off to the side as needed. It was really
> clean and worked nicely. Once we got into the run of the show I simply
> put it into presentation mode and hit the spacebar whenever I needed to
> turn the page. Don't know how well this would work for stage managers
> though.

When you think about it, though, that's really not much different from
using a word processor, or (heaven forbid) pencil and paper with
highlighters.

-- 
Jim Hyslop


------------------------------

Message-ID: <437C8325.8010408 [at] dreampossible.ca>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:18:29 -0500
From: Jim Hyslop <jhyslop [at] dreampossible.ca>
Organization: DreamPossible Inc.
Subject: Re: A show called firedance
References: <list-25567544 [at] prxy.net> <list-25569726 [at] prxy.net> <list-25572923 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-25572923 [at] prxy.net>

Jon Ares wrote:
> If we want to talk about unenforceable 'employee' contracts: the IRS has
> very specific guidelines regarding an Independent Contractor.
> 
> According to the IRS, you are a defacto employee if (among other
> criteria): your specific project has a specific due date; you must
> report to, or perform some or all of your work at a specified location
> or time; or you report directly to someone regarding the process or
> outcome of your work.
> 
> Ok, show of hands:  who here has ever been told, "Please design my show.
> Oh, and it doesn't matter when you complete it, or where you do it.  Oh,
> and don't tell me when you're done, because I'm not in charge."

Another case of boiler-plate wording, I think :-)

These are similar to the Revenue Canada guidelines. They're aimed
primarily at office workers, and in particular software developers, not
specialized fields like theatre. The idea is, IRS and RC don't want two
people sitting side-by-side, performing almost exactly the same job,
reporting to the same manager, but one is an employee and the other a
contractor (the gov't gets less tax money out of contractors, y'see).
Revenue Canada has additional criteria, such as assumption of risk: if
the contractor assumes some or all of the risk, then that strengthens
the contractor/client relationship, but if the hiring company assumes
the risk that tilts it towards an employee/employer relationship.

It's never cut-and-dried, is it? :=)

-- 
Jim Hyslop


------------------------------

Subject: RE: lowest bidder
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:30:36 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196CA56 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> > This is the same attitude that has made this country the litigous=20
> > whiners  that they are, Frank, and the litigious whiners=20
> that you are=20
> > continually  pointing out.
>=20
> I know this, and deplore it. Nobody will take responsibility=20
> any more. But,=20
> we mus live with the world as it is, and not as we wish it were.

"...And maddest of all, to see life as it is and not as it ought to be."

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:32:19 -0500
From: iaeg [at] aol.com
Message-Id: <8C7B99277C17573-1B8C-CB1E [at] MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25576637 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: clown foam?

if I am not mistaken,  shaving soap is a pure soap ( like Ivory flakes 
) but often has Lanolin added, which would hold the foam together 
better /longer etc etc

the real important thing is though, , beating it like crazy with the 
motorized paint stirrer

anyone for a pie fight ?

very best,

Keith Arsenault
International Arts & Entertainment Group




-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:24:41 -0500
Subject: Re: clown foam?

    For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Just spoke last night with a former Ringling
Bros clown who said they used shaving cream,
not in aerosol form, nor mentholated, but the
kind in the container where the brush was
swirled around in it.  They put the cakes of
shaving cream in a food processor, then mixed it in
large containers with a motorized paint stirrer.
The more you stir, you thicker it gets.  You
can even add food coloring to it.

Steve

> From: IAEG [at] aol.com
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:36:48 EST
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: clown foam?
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> In a message dated 11/14/05 1:27:19 PM, stagecraft [at] healylott.com 
writes:
>
> <<
>
> Anyone know what the Big Apple Circus clowns are using for their
>
> whipped/shaving cream substitute this year? They have an extended bit
>
> built around a wallpaper-hanging motif that uses buckets of the stuff,
>
> smearing it all over their faces, their clothes and the floor.
>
>
> It looked like some kind of synthetic goop to me -- much more 
viscosity
>
> than I would expect from something water-based, or from real whipped
>
> cream or shaving cream. When they dumped it on each other's heads, it
>
> didn't go splashing to the floor; instead it would ooze. It also 
turned
>
> into dusty-looking particles when they clapped their foamy hands 
together.
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Just curious,
>
> Joe
>
>>>
>
>
> I do not know for certain what they are using, but traditionally 
"Clown Soap
> Suds"  are Ivory Soap flakes mixed with a drill mounted paint mixer 
in a pail.
>
> maybe they have added a touch of glycerine ?
>
>
>
> very best,
>
> Keith Arsenault
>
> IAEG -  International Arts & Entertainment Group
> Tampa, Florida


    

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Subject: RE: A show called firedance
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:45:07 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A0196CA57 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> 6. Compensation. =B3Company=B2 agrees to pay =B3Designer=B2, and=20
> =B3Designer=B2, agrees to accept in full payment for services=20
> performed pursuant to this Agreement, a flat rate of $XXXXXX

Wow.  It took SIX X's to block out the compensation?

Ridiculous contract or not, if it's that many...or did that include a =
decimal point? <g>

------------------------------

Message-Id: <s37c42ea.064 [at] AC3.nesd.k12.pa.us>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:44:14 -0500
From: "LES LIND" <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>
Subject: Re: clown foam?



Les Lind
NHS Dramatics
Northeastern High School
Manchester, PA



>>> iaeg [at] aol.com 11/17/05 8:32:19 AM >>>
For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
Wait, let me turn on the Soupy Sales show first...in B&W no less...

>anyone for a pie fight ?

>very best,

>Keith Arsenault
>International Arts & Entertainment Group




-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:24:41 -0500
Subject: Re: clown foam?

    For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Just spoke last night with a former Ringling
Bros clown who said they used shaving cream,
not in aerosol form, nor mentholated, but the
kind in the container where the brush was
swirled around in it.  They put the cakes of
shaving cream in a food processor, then mixed it in
large containers with a motorized paint stirrer.
The more you stir, you thicker it gets.  You
can even add food coloring to it.

Steve

> From: IAEG [at] aol.com 
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:36:48 EST
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: clown foam?
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> In a message dated 11/14/05 1:27:19 PM, stagecraft [at] healylott.com 
writes:
>
> <<
>
> Anyone know what the Big Apple Circus clowns are using for their
>
> whipped/shaving cream substitute this year? They have an extended
bit
>
> built around a wallpaper-hanging motif that uses buckets of the
stuff,
>
> smearing it all over their faces, their clothes and the floor.
>
>
> It looked like some kind of synthetic goop to me -- much more 
viscosity
>
> than I would expect from something water-based, or from real whipped
>
> cream or shaving cream. When they dumped it on each other's heads,
it
>
> didn't go splashing to the floor; instead it would ooze. It also 
turned
>
> into dusty-looking particles when they clapped their foamy hands 
together.
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Just curious,
>
> Joe
>
>>>
>
>
> I do not know for certain what they are using, but traditionally 
"Clown Soap
> Suds"  are Ivory Soap flakes mixed with a drill mounted paint mixer 
in a pail.
>
> maybe they have added a touch of glycerine ?
>
>
>
> very best,
>
> Keith Arsenault
>
> IAEG -  International Arts & Entertainment Group
> Tampa, Florida


    

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:51:12 -0500
Message-Id: <8C7B9951AFF639E-1EB0-15F8A [at] MBLK-R02.sysops.aol.com>
From: iaeg [at] aol.com
References: <list-25578377 [at] prxy.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-25578377 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: A show called firedance

Maybe Herrick was being compensated in Phillipine Pesos ?   they are=20
trading 54 to $1

very best,

Keith Arsenault
International Arts & Entertainment Group




-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Schreiner <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:45:07 -0500
Subject: Re: A show called firedance

    For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see=20
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> 6. Compensation. =B3Company=B2 agrees to pay =B3Designer=B2, and
> =B3Designer=B2, agrees to accept in full payment for services
> performed pursuant to this Agreement, a flat rate of $XXXXXX

Wow.  It took SIX X's to block out the compensation?

Ridiculous contract or not, if it's that many...or did that include a=20
decimal
point? <g>

   =20

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:57:53 -0500
From: "LES LIND" <lindl [at] nesd.k12.pa.us>
Subject: Re: clown foam?

Wait... let me turn on the Soupy Sales Show first...

Les Lind
NHS Dramatics
Northeastern High School
Manchester, PA



>>> iaeg [at] aol.com 11/17/05 8:32:19 AM >>>
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if I am not mistaken,  shaving soap is a pure soap ( like Ivory flakes

) but often has Lanolin added, which would hold the foam together 
better /longer etc etc

the real important thing is though, , beating it like crazy with the 
motorized paint stirrer

anyone for a pie fight ?

very best,

Keith Arsenault
International Arts & Entertainment Group




-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Larson <tiptd [at] theatreinthepark.com>
To: Stagecraft <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
Sent: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:24:41 -0500
Subject: Re: clown foam?

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Just spoke last night with a former Ringling
Bros clown who said they used shaving cream,
not in aerosol form, nor mentholated, but the
kind in the container where the brush was
swirled around in it.  They put the cakes of
shaving cream in a food processor, then mixed it in
large containers with a motorized paint stirrer.
The more you stir, you thicker it gets.  You
can even add food coloring to it.

Steve

> From: IAEG [at] aol.com 
> Reply-To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:36:48 EST
> To: "Stagecraft" <stagecraft [at] theatrical.net>
> Subject: Re: clown foam?
>
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see 
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
>
> In a message dated 11/14/05 1:27:19 PM, stagecraft [at] healylott.com 
writes:
>
> <<
>
> Anyone know what the Big Apple Circus clowns are using for their
>
> whipped/shaving cream substitute this year? They have an extended
bit
>
> built around a wallpaper-hanging motif that uses buckets of the
stuff,
>
> smearing it all over their faces, their clothes and the floor.
>
>
> It looked like some kind of synthetic goop to me -- much more 
viscosity
>
> than I would expect from something water-based, or from real whipped
>
> cream or shaving cream. When they dumped it on each other's heads,
it
>
> didn't go splashing to the floor; instead it would ooze. It also 
turned
>
> into dusty-looking particles when they clapped their foamy hands 
together.
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
> Just curious,
>
> Joe
>
>>>
>
>
> I do not know for certain what they are using, but traditionally 
"Clown Soap
> Suds"  are Ivory Soap flakes mixed with a drill mounted paint mixer 
in a pail.
>
> maybe they have added a touch of glycerine ?
>
>
>
> very best,
>
> Keith Arsenault
>
> IAEG -  International Arts & Entertainment Group
> Tampa, Florida


    

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Message-ID: <000501c5eb81$33ba67d0$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-25574531 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Cue Calling Software
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:14:19 -0800

For the record, I'd just like to apologize for adding fuel to this perennial 
fire... I was responding to a joke that I think Delbert was making on a 
subject line that had degenerated from "Crew Calling Software" (Carps at 9, 
Sparkies at 11, etc.) to "Cue Calling Software," wherein I jokingly 
suggested computers/software be used to recognize vocal cues from Actrons. 
As an AEA SM myself, you can guess where I sit on this issue.  (And I use 
LOTS of computers - every day!!)  :)

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative



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From: "Chris Warner" <bearz2 [at] cox.net>
Subject: RE: Question #1
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:24:38 -0800
Message-ID: <008a01c5eb82$a41829d0$6401a8c0 [at] chris>
In-Reply-To: <list-25572722 [at] prxy.net>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jon
Ares
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:18 PM
> To: Stagecraft
> Subject: Re: Question #1
> 
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see
<http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> >>     Out here in the middle of nowhere, the closest thing to a
> >> Starbucks is Dunkin' Doughnuts!
> >
> > In Manhattan, the thing that's usually closest to a Starbucks
> is...another
> > Starbucks.
> >
> 
> 
> Try the Northwest, where they came from.
> 
> Do we REALLY need a 1-square-block mall to have a Starbutts on each of
its
> 4
> floors??  Plus 2 outside said mall?
 YES!  It should have a Smoothie place next door as well!

Chris



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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:31:06 GMT
Subject: Re: A show called firedance
Message-Id: <20051117.063116.2520.41265 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com>

The wording of most 'Employee' definitions usually include: "Works under=
 the DIRECTION of another person", or similar language. In theatre, that=
 is usually the case, as there is normally someone who actually has the =
title 'Director' affiliated with every production...
/s/ Richard

According to the IRS, you are a defacto employee if (among other criteri=
a): your specific project has a specific due date; you must report to, o=
r perform some or all of your work at a specified location or time; or y=
ou report directly to someone regarding the process or outcome of your w=
ork.
     - Jon Ares


 


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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:35:22 -0500
Subject: Re: A show called firedance
From: Herrick Goldman <Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
Message-ID: <BFA1FF5A.8CA6%Herrick [at] HGLightingDesign.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25578377 [at] prxy.net>

For six XXX's I sign a lot of stuff. :)

Suffice it to say they were getting 3 days onsite for the price of one and a
half and no design fee or compensation for any  time in rehearsals or
meetings before we flew.


On 11/17/05 8:45 AM, "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu> wrote:
 agrees to accept in full payment for services
>> performed pursuant to this Agreement, a flat rate of $XXXXXX
> 
> Wow.  It took SIX X's to block out the compensation?
> 


-- 
Herrick Goldman
Lighting Designer, NYC
www.HGLightingDesign.com
917-797-3624
"To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in
light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS



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References: <list-25578987 [at] prxy.net>
Message-Id: <f9caf0034b249481213e7985f78d0662 [at] dejazzd.com>
From: Greg Bierly <gbierly [at] dejazzd.com>
Subject: Re:Employee status/was firedance
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:56:28 -0500

Just to play devils advocate I am going to plug in examples for an self 
employed electrical subcontractor on a house building site.

> According to the IRS, you are a defacto employee if (among other 
> criteria): your specific project has a specific due date;

The wall board is scheduled to go up next tuesday so the prewire must 
be done by a specific date and the settlement is scheduled for Dec. 
15th so all work must be completed by then

> you must report to, or perform some or all of your work at a specified 
> location or time;

I'll give you the time but I think you are going to have to be on the 
job site to actually wire the house.

> or you report directly to someone regarding the process or outcome of 
> your work.

You will be reporting to the GC directly and must meet all specs.

I realize there are other guidelines but the above listed list really 
can be worked to anyones advantage.  Just find yourself a good tax 
attorney.

Greg Bierly
Technical Director
Hempfield HS


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Message-ID: <b7318c480511170701s58414149r92e52da7276ebf4a [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:01:22 -0500
From: Delbert Hall <delbert.hall [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cue Calling Software
In-Reply-To: <list-25578736 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25574531 [at] prxy.net> <list-25578736 [at] prxy.net>

I do not see a hardware/software combination replacing the SM at
calling cues.  My intent in raising this topic was to discover what
features in a software package for helping the SM call cues would be
desired.  If there is already software for this purpose that is
popular, I would like to know about it.

-Delbert


On 11/17/05, Jon Ares <jonares [at] hevanet.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> For the record, I'd just like to apologize for adding fuel to this perenn=
ial
> fire... I was responding to a joke that I think Delbert was making on a
> subject line that had degenerated from "Crew Calling Software" (Carps at =
9,
> Sparkies at 11, etc.) to "Cue Calling Software," wherein I jokingly
> suggested computers/software be used to recognize vocal cues from Actrons=
.
> As an AEA SM myself, you can guess where I sit on this issue.  (And I use
> LOTS of computers - every day!!)  :)
>
>     - Jon Ares
> www.hevanet.com/acreative
>
>
>


--
Delbert L. Hall
ZFX Flying Director
Phone: 714-585-7070

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Message-ID: <000701c5eb88$fc357a90$0600000a [at] BRUTUS>
From: "Jon Ares" <jonares [at] hevanet.com>
References: <list-25578987 [at] prxy.net> <list-25579347 [at] prxy.net>
Subject: Re: Employee status/was firedance
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:10:02 -0800

> I realize there are other guidelines but the above listed list really can 
> be worked to anyones advantage.  Just find yourself a good tax attorney.


Actually, you're seeing this wrong.  The law is what the IRS says, and their 
"3 golden rules" is definitely stacked in their favor.  Yes, you can 
indicate that it's a "common industry practice" that independent electrical 
contractors operate in this fashion, but the IRS just has to whip out its "3 
Golden Rules" and they've got a strong case in a court.  Yes, you can defend 
yourself, and hopefully find a judge who is willing to see it your way (and 
happens all the time), but it's still stacked in favor of the IRS.  Luckily, 
a few years ago, there were some nuances to the laws governing the IRS that 
were enacted that requires the burden of proof be on the IRS, as to whether 
you are an employee or not.

     - Jon Ares
www.hevanet.com/acreative 


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From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" <ladesigners [at] juno.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:43:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Employee status/was firedance
Message-Id: <20051117.074404.2520.41599 [at] webmail31.lax.untd.com>

I think that the easiest way to be considered a independent contractor f=
or IRS purposes is to use some combination of: a EIN rather than a SS#, =
make sure that the checks are payable to 'Jane & Joel Jones Electric, LL=
P' (or LLC or Inc. or LP), and/or carry your own Workman's Compensation =
Insurance and/or contractor's license.
/s/ Richard
________________________
I realize there are other guidelines but the above listed list really =

can be worked to anyones advantage.  Just find yourself a good tax =

attorney.
Greg Bierly
 


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Subject: question about seats
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:59:56 -0500
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B902CF9 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>

I have a seat (A 101, one that everyone sees) that has a hole in the
upholstery.  No problem, right?  Just pull the cushion off and either
replace it or have the vendor send me a half yard of fabric and
reupholster it back in the shop.

Well, it seems I have a problem.

After a couple or 3 requests, the business office sent me the name of
the vendor.  5 minutes of web searching and I had a phone number.  Some
huge "school supply" firm that sells everything from pencils to school
busses.  The problem?  The company was broken up and sold off in pieces
5 years ago, about 6 weeks after the installation here was complete.
What is left of the company (the folks who answer the phone number) are
more than willing to send me any parts I need for a school bus seat, or
as many school busses as I want, for that matter, but have no records of
the predecessor company, or even contacts.  So I can't get information
on the seating manufacturer, or even the subcontractor who did the
installation.

No where on the exposed part of the seat can I find anything to identify
the manufacturer.  I don't mind taking one apart.  Is there some secret
location where the manufacturers put their logo?  Or some patented
hardware that will identify who made the thing?  My guess is that the
manufacturer is in the Grand Rapids area (seating capital of the US, and
home to the vendor), but since there are several of them, I was hoping
to have more to go on.

Worst come to worst, I can take the torn cushion with me and travel from
showroom to showroom until I find someone who recognizes it.  But I was
hoping to solve the problem with a phone call to someone with a record
of the installation (and hopefully a bolt of the fabric).
Tom D.=20

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:02:36 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: question about seats
In-reply-to: <list-25580177 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <437CA99C.1020409 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-25580177 [at] prxy.net>

Davis, Thomas J wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I have a seat (A 101, one that everyone sees) that has a hole in the
> upholstery.  No problem, right?  Just pull the cushion off and either
> replace it or have the vendor send me a half yard of fabric and
> reupholster it back in the shop.

Until you locate the manufacturer, can you swap the cushion with one 
from a less visible seat?

Steve L

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:39:53 -0500
From: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Reply-To: "Frank E. Merrill" <Lamplighter [at] tcon.net>
Message-ID: <1223798667.20051117113953 [at] tcon.net>
Subject: Re: question about seats
In-Reply-To: <list-25580177 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25580177 [at] prxy.net>

Howdy !

Thursday, November 17, 2005, Tom Davis wrote about re-upholstering:

> I was hoping to solve the problem with a phone call to someone with
> a record of the installation (and hopefully a bolt of the fabric).

I suspect that upholstery fabric is a lot like stage curtain fabrics,
in that the color changes over time because of many reasons.  That
said, I suspect that even if the original manufacturer had a bolt of
the actual fabric used to upholster Tom's seats, that fabric would
appear different in comparison to the other seats because the
upholstery on the other seats has changed at a different rate than the
fabric rolled up on the bolt.

I forwarded Tom's message to my friend Frank Sumner the seating genius
here in Indianapolis. Frank thinks he can help Tom solve the problem.

Best regards,
  Frank E. Merrill
  MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
  Indianapolis
  Established 1946
  www.merrillstage.com 

  Running THE BAT!  Natural e-mail system v.3.60          mailto:Lamplighter [at] tcon.net

   


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From: "MIchael Burris" <mburris [at] floridastage.org>
Subject: Attached file test: Please ignore
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:38:51 -0500
Message-ID: <KNEFLIHFCMACKNICLGOMIEDICBAA.mburris [at] floridastage.org>
In-Reply-To: <list-25579035 [at] prxy.net>

Please let this come through as plain text


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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:44:12 -0500
Subject: Stage management discussion threads
From: "Dougherty, Jim" <jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>
Message-ID: <BFA22B9C.E73%jdougher [at] middlebury.edu>

I'd like to move that we have June's description of the standard SM thread
automated, so that it pops up whenever we head down that road.  That was the
most succinct description of the usual discussion I've read yet.  Any
further discussion after that shall be by a majority vote of list members
present.

And my word of the day is now 'snarkily'.

Thanks June!

-  Jim Dougherty
ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Dept.


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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 17:58:38 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Crew calling software
In-Reply-To: <list-25571721 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511171754200.31449 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-25562382 [at] prxy.net> <list-25563238 [at] prxy.net> <list-25571721 [at] prxy.net>

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Dale Farmer wrote:

>    COmputers are great tools, but they aren't the right tool for every situation.
> I can see a stage manager using a computer and that computer sends the
> go signals over to the computer running the light board, and the computer
> running sound effects, and the automated mixer for the wireless microphones
> that the actors are wearing, and the motorized fly system, and the radio controlled
> movers built into the set pieces.   And you know what, the show will look great.
> fewer missed cues, cost less since you don't need a couple of board operators,
> and there will be fewer folks chattering on the intercom.

And that's exactly how they run shows on cruise ships, in Vegas, Branson and in 
theme parks, where everything just has to work right all the time ;-)

>    Until something breaks.   Then the whole show has to stop as the tech crew,

Not quite.  Good show control systems allow individual devices and subsystems to 
fail without stopping the show.  I recommend reading John Huntington's book 
"Control Ssytems for Live Entertainment" - it's very enlightening and 
demonstrates how live shows have been successfully using show control systems 
without any difficulties like this for over 15 years now...

Charlie

| Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond |
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Message-ID: <ce2084ad0511170958v4642e916iccafa0a292371e7f [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:58:48 -0500
From: Ken Romaine <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket

On 11/16/05, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com <FrankWood95 [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
> I like your attitude. Unfortunately, it doesn't work any more. These are =
the
> first techniques that a professional con-man learns, or a salesman. In my
> book. there is little difference between the two. Words on paper are acti=
onable.
>
> Frank Wood

OK.  Settle in.  This may go on a while.

First - If "bottom posting" is anathema to you, I apologize, but I
need to get that quote right up front, since I am changing threads and
want everyone to know what I'm talking about.

Now for the main event.

Frank - even though it's your words that prompted this, this is not
aimed personally or exclusively at you (even though "words on paper
are actionable").  Unfortunately, your attitude about salesmen is all
too common - in and out of our industry.

If you look at my current signature, and my previous jobs and sigs
I've had while belonging to this list, you know that I sell stuff for
a living.  I have for a while.  The work I do in and for our industry
is necessary and - when done properly - honorable.  Even actually
desired - at least by people who understand the value that I and my
colleagues provide.

While I realize that there are many slimy salesmen out there (and
throughly enjoy "Glengarry Glen Ross"), way too many people think all
salesmen are alike.

Contrary to your, and many other peoples, misconceptions, my job is
not taking peoples money by any means necessary.  My job includes:
--providing products and services that my customers want and need for
a fair price.
--helping to educate my customers, and their customers, in the uses of
the products I sell.
--helping my customers, and their customers, find new uses for the
products I sell.
--helping my customers, and their customers, solve problems -
sometimes even when it doesn't involve a sale for me.
--being an advocate for my customers within the company I work for.

Bill Sapsis is a salesman (whether he wants to be or not).
Frank Merrill is a salesman.
Barney Simon is a salesman.
Delbery Hall is a salesman.
Many people on this list sell - even if it doesn't say "Sales" on
their business card.  They do it to put food on their tables, and the
tables of their employees.  They do it when they don't like it -
although I really enjoy my job.  I'm doing what I like, dealing with
generally terrific people, in an amazingly fun industry, and they
actually PAY me for it.  How great is that?  (Geez - I hope the boss
isn't reading this.)

There's SO much more.  I'm happy to discuss it, but an adult,
carbonated, frosty beverage (or several) is required.

I've also had this discussion with students.  Yep - seems that very
few students in our business even realize that there are many fine
jobs to be had in the part of the business where I and my colleagues
toil.  And not just sales, either.  Whoa, boy - that's a whole 'nother
ball o' wax.

Frank - congrats.  You hit a nerve.  As you might guess, I've had this
discussion before.  Someone needs to do a seminar on "Jobs Other Than
Actor, Director, Designer in Show BUSINESS" at USITT - or wherever
else it could be useful.

Done now.  Thanx for listening.  Gotta go sell something.  "Con-man" my ass=
.
--
Ken Romaine
Northeast US Sales Manager - Barco Events
The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how
much I want to impose them on the rest of the world.

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:59:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Attached file test: Please ignore
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFA22F15.52B1%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25581382 [at] prxy.net>

Are you requesting or praying?


www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

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On 11/17/05 1:38 PM, "MIchael Burris" <mburris [at] floridastage.org> wrote:

> Please let this come through as plain text



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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:07:05 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Cue Calling Software - the upcoming SM thread consolidated
In-Reply-To: <list-25574037 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511171805380.31449 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-25574037 [at] prxy.net>

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, June Abernathy wrote:

> Charlie usually replies by saying that Show Control,
> properly used by trained people allows all this, and
> so much more. But, that we like things as they have
> always been and have our heads stuck in the sand but
> it's our loss.

Couldn't possibly have said it better myself!

Thank you, June ;-)

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:16:38 -0500
Subject: Re: Sam Gossard
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFA23336.52BD%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25581713 [at] prxy.net>

I do not know if it hasn't appeared here or if I simply missed the post,
what with all the other really important list posts coming through and
all....

Sam Gossard died suddenly on Tuesday.  Services are on Monday.  Here's what
I know:

Viewing:
    Sunday, November 20, 2005  2-4pm and 7-9 pm
    Becker's Funeral Home   201+664-0292
    219 Kinderkamack Road
    Westwood, NJ  
     
     
    The Funeral will be on Monday, November 21, 2005 at 11:00 am
    Community Church of Harrington   201+768-2457
    1 Spring (corner of Spring and Harriett)
    Harrington Park, NJ
     
    Cards and wishes may be sent to Sam's family at their home:
    77 Martha Road
    Harrington Park, NJ  07640
     
    In lieu of flowers remembrances may be offered to:
    The American Heart Association
    The Community Church of Harrington

I worked for Sam back in the early 80's when he had a shop up in the Bronx.
It was a crazy place to work.  Always something going on.  I worked with
some great people there and did some fun shows.  Those of you who did work
there might remember building that James Earl Jones "Othello".  Now *that*
was fun.

After the shop days he went on to work as a consultant in New York,
especially at Lincoln Center.  He was a great big bear of a guy and a teddy
bear at heart.  Not many like him any more.

And so it goes...

Bill S.

www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:20:51 -0500
From: Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
Subject: Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
In-reply-to: <list-25581713 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <030DC0ED-DC63-4EFD-BB63-32318A46FF5A [at] klad.com>
References: <list-25581713 [at] prxy.net>


we are all sales people. In this business we all have to be, even in =20
academia or if 'repped' by someone.

A Sales Rep or a reputation can open a door for a designer (insert =20
title here), but the designer (insert title here) must ultimately =20
'close' the deal. First to get hired, then to get ideas accepted.

Sales takes a huge percentage of my work time.


On Nov 17, 2005, at 12:58 PM, Ken Romaine wrote:

> Contrary to your, and many other peoples, misconceptions, my job is
> not taking peoples money by any means necessary.  My job includes:
> --providing products and services that my customers want and need for
> a fair price.
> --helping to educate my customers, and their customers, in the uses of
> the products I sell.
> --helping my customers, and their customers, find new uses for the
> products I sell.
> --helping my customers, and their customers, solve problems -
> sometimes even when it doesn't involve a sale for me.
> --being an advocate for my customers within the company I work for.
>
> Bill Sapsis is a salesman (whether he wants to be or not).
> Frank Merrill is a salesman.
> Barney Simon is a salesman.
> Delbery Hall is a salesman.
> Many people on this list sell - even if it doesn't say "Sales" on
> their business card.


-----
Kevin Lee Allen
Architect of Dreams
http://www.klad.com
973.744.6352.voice
201.280.3841.mobile
klad [at] klad.com
=F0




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Subject: Re: A show called firedance
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:23:46 -0800
Message-ID: <AE704B0123616D4BBE8BD0A464A0FD2938ED1F [at] ESERVER.mail.local>
From: "Michael Finney" <mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com>

Brother Herrick wrote:

<<They also want the right to my image..>>

Thanks for passing the contract along in the first place - good, amusing
reading for the airplane on Sunday morning! =20

And I have to share my personal favourite image clause from a contract
(from a big, big entertainment company):

"OWNER shall have full and unrestricted rights to the use of VENDORS
image, artwork, documents and all associated materials named or unnamed,
to be reproduced and/or broadcast in any media known or unknown in
perpetuity throughout the universe."

I swear to god - the clause was actually there!  On page 30 (yep, page
30) of the 130 page Master Agreement this company threw at us.  The
theory was that we'd sign the Master Agreement (we never did - it was
unreadable and my lawyer threatened my life if I signed it), and then
every project we did would just be a "Work Authorization".  Of course,
we ended up finishing the first job, getting paid, moving on to the next
one (in another country), getting paid, and moving on to remodels at the
first one before ever even getting the first "Work Authorization" signed
- we just kept working from amendments to the single show contract that
we had in place.

I love big corporations!

BTW: great to see people at LDI.  And I haven't heard any reports of
jail time, so that's a good thing......
=20
Michael Finney
Thinkwell Design & Production
mfinney [at] thinkwelldesign.com
www.thinkwelldesign.com=20

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:22:33 -0500
From: Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
Subject: Re: Sam Gossard
In-reply-to: <list-25581979 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <091ACF13-B570-48FD-8C5D-F8223B7298F3 [at] klad.com>
References: <list-25581713 [at] prxy.net> <list-25581979 [at] prxy.net>

wow, I never met Sam, but I certainly knew of him and his talent. I =20
was always hoping to cross paths one day, this is a huge loss.


On Nov 17, 2005, at 1:16 PM, Bill Sapsis wrote:

> Sam Gossard died suddenly on Tuesday.  Services are on Monday.  =20
> Here's what


-----
Kevin Lee Allen
Architect of Dreams
http://www.klad.com
973.744.6352.voice
201.280.3841.mobile
klad [at] klad.com
=F0




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Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051117102342.029e3bc0 [at] 192.168.0.13>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:24:52 -0800
From: Jerry Durand <jdurand [at] interstellar.com>
Subject: Re: clown foam?
In-Reply-To: <list-25578587 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25578587 [at] prxy.net>

At 05:57 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote:
>Wait... let me turn on the Soupy Sales Show first...

The one where he told kids to find the green bills in their father's 
wallet and mail them to him?

What a bad choice of joke that was!


-- 
Jerry Durand
Durand Interstellar, Inc.
219 Oak Wood Way
Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA
tel:  +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free:  1 866 356-3886
web:  www.interstellar.com



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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:00 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Cue Calling Software
In-Reply-To: <list-25578736 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511171825050.31449 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-25574531 [at] prxy.net> <list-25578736 [at] prxy.net>

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Jon Ares wrote:

> computers/software be used to recognize vocal cues from Actrons.

Believe it or not, show control systems in all sorts of LIVE shows in theme 
parks actually take cue timing from actors all the time - not from vocal cues 
that I know of (yet) but from on-set switches and proximity sensors and even 
microphones that pick up the sounds of gun shots and other loud noises.

And the shows have real live SMs as well... ;-)

Charlie

| Charlie Richmond - Richmond Sound Design - Skype: charlierichmond |
| http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com "Performance for the Long Run" |
| Show Control List: http://www.RichmondSoundDesign.com/sclist.html |

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Subject: RE: question about seats
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:28:51 -0500
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B902D30 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>
Cc: Lamplighter [at] tcon.net (Frank E. Merrill)

Thanks for passing this along Frank.  I look forward to hearing from
Frank (Sumner).

While I am sure the fabric (assuming it is still made and available)
will not be an exact match, it will be better than the fabric that is an
exact match with a big hole in it, which is what I currently have. It
will be another 10 years before they budget to do the other 278 seats in
the theater.

I am a bit surprised that spare fabric was not included with the "repair
kit" that came with the installation.  I do have spare arms, and lots of
little bolt head covers.  Of course, maybe it was, and someone has a
dining set with lovely burgundy upholstery.  Now that I think about it,
maybe I should check the boss's dining room....
Tom D.

Frank Merrill wrote:

Howdy !

Thursday, November 17, 2005, Tom Davis wrote about re-upholstering:

> I was hoping to solve the problem with a phone call to someone with
> a record of the installation (and hopefully a bolt of the fabric).

I suspect that upholstery fabric is a lot like stage curtain fabrics,
in that the color changes over time because of many reasons.  That
said, I suspect that even if the original manufacturer had a bolt of
the actual fabric used to upholster Tom's seats, that fabric would
appear different in comparison to the other seats because the
upholstery on the other seats has changed at a different rate than the
fabric rolled up on the bolt.

I forwarded Tom's message to my friend Frank Sumner the seating genius
here in Indianapolis. Frank thinks he can help Tom solve the problem.

Best regards,
  Frank E. Merrill
  MERRILL STAGE EQUIPMENT
  Indianapolis
  Established 1946
  www.merrillstage.com=20

 =20

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:37:28 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Cue Calling Software
In-Reply-To: <list-25579389 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511171830340.31449 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-25574531 [at] prxy.net> <list-25578736 [at] prxy.net> <list-25579389 [at] prxy.net>

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Delbert Hall wrote:

> I do not see a hardware/software combination replacing the SM at
> calling cues.  My intent in raising this topic was to discover what
> features in a software package for helping the SM call cues would be
> desired.  If there is already software for this purpose that is
> popular, I would like to know about it.

Thousands of shows are called every day by real live SMs using Show Control 
Software such as our ShowMan and its predecessor Stage Manager as well as other 
software designed for this purpose all the way from SFX to Medialon Manager and 
has been since 1988 based on my own personal experience.

This software does not (yet) include the show script with cue markings as has 
been discussed in this thread.  It only includes cues in lists with follows and 
timed sequences.  Software that included the script with cues marked in it was 
something we demonstrated to the Stage Managers Association meetings at USITT in 
the early 90s but they could not be convinced for some reason that a person had 
to run the suftware to call the cues and were afraid we were trying to take 
their jobs away from them so we never released it since no one wanted it.

Charlie

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051117113109.00ce7ef8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:31:09
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Certification info.

>the Electrical Certification which is working it's way
>through the process.  And part of that process is a survey similar to the
>one we did for rigging. 

Does this mean that you'll be breeding smarter electricians, and we won't
have to try to babysit them with silly notions like reversing ground and
neutral so that they can't accidently hurt themselves?  Especially now that
this affords them the ability to hook a hot leg directly to ground or
neutral?  (Actually, I know that electricians are smart enough to work cams
all by themselves, its the color-blind non-electricians that ruin it for
everyone)

>Or, as Neal Cassady, my hero in the old days, used to say.  You're either on
>the bus or you're off the bus.

Wasn't that Ken Kesey?
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Cue Calling Software
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:45:02 -0500
Message-ID: <006f01c5eba7$08b48040$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-25582345 [at] prxy.net>

I'm not sure why there's such resistance to show control.

I already have one person sitting there pressing a "GO" button on a
computer; what care I if that button just runs light cues or if it also =
runs
sounds and fly cues?

As for automated GOs, based on proximity switches or sensors that pick =
up
loud noises, as long as there's a carbon-based unit as a backup, why =
not?

The arguments against show control seem much like the arguments that =
would
have had us still using 6-man crews of electricians running piano boards
(popcorn poppers to you, Bill S) instead of electronic dimming and =
control.



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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <12f.69c9b61b.30ae2abb [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:49:31 EST
Subject: Re: Crew calling software

In a message dated 17/11/05 17:59:13 GMT Standard Time, 
charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com writes:

> Not quite.  Good show control systems allow individual devices and 
subsystems 
> to 
>  fail without stopping the show.  I recommend reading John Huntington's 
book 
>  "Control Ssytems for Live Entertainment" - it's very enlightening and 
>  demonstrates how live shows have been successfully using show control 
> systems 
>  without any difficulties like this for over 15 years now...

Maybe. When there is a computer that can walk the stage before the show, and 
check that all the lights are working, and pointing in the right direction, 
and that no gels have burned out, I'll buy the concept. Until then, I'll have to 
do it by hand.

Frank Wood

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:51:03 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
In-reply-to: <list-25581713 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <437CD117.7080308 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-25581713 [at] prxy.net>

Ken Romaine wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------

> I've also had this discussion with students.  Yep - seems that very
> few students in our business even realize that there are many fine
> jobs to be had in the part of the business where I and my colleagues
> toil.  And not just sales, either.  Whoa, boy - that's a whole 'nother
> ball o' wax.
> 
> Frank - congrats.  You hit a nerve.  As you might guess, I've had this
> discussion before.  Someone needs to do a seminar on "Jobs Other Than
> Actor, Director, Designer in Show BUSINESS" at USITT - or wherever
> else it could be useful.

There was a session along that line in Toronto.  It should definitely 
be expanded beyond sales and repeated quite often.

We have many successful alums working outside the traditional 
production roles.  And yet it's often hard to get students to think 
outside the theatre/box about their futures.

>  "Con-man" my ass.

Just an extra service you provide?


-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051117114450.00ce7ef8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:44:50
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Re: Question #1

>> In Manhattan, the thing that's usually closest to a Starbucks is...another
>> Starbucks.
>Try the Northwest, where they came from.
>Do we REALLY need a 1-square-block mall to have a Starbutts on each of its 4 
>floors??  Plus 2 outside said mall?

Seattellites would invariably give me directions like, "Its just past the
Starbucks", or, "Take a left at the Starbucks", to which I invariably would
reply, "You're kiddin' me, right?"  the *REAL* crime that they have
committed is that they no longer have the training and QC that used to make
them stand out from Circle K or Dunkin, or any number of folk that purchase
automatic machines and think that they are automatically barristas.
Starbucks had a corporate meeting here a coupla years ago where they
announced that they were purchasing Torrefazione.  TF makes a very nice
bean, and was available only online here in Tucson.  I asked whether this
meant that I would be able to purchase the TF brand in my local Starbucks,
to which the CEO replied, "Nothing will change except ownership."  TF
coffees are no longer available online, and when I was in Seattle, all
three shops were under construction, and the TF brand was *not* going on
the new shops.  Starbucks is the devil.  Resistance is futile.  You will be
assimilated.
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051117114800.00ce7ef8 [at] pop.west.cox.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:48:00
From: CB <psyd [at] cox.net>
Subject: Cue Calling Software - the upcoming SM thread consolidated

>I propose that we save a wee bit of bandwidth this
>time and avoid the Repeating Stage Management Thread
>this time. Any takers?

Cheez, June!  You just ruined a whole week of re-hashing old fun!  I had
dug out threee or four old yarns about show rescues, and revived a
half-a-dozen snarky jibes for Frank.  Now what'll I do?  ; >
				Chris "Chris" Babbie
				Location Sound
				MON AZ

Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment.  Rates
negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment...

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:59:37 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Crew calling software
In-Reply-To: <list-25582551 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511171852280.31449 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-25582551 [at] prxy.net>

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:

> Maybe. When there is a computer that can walk the stage before the show, and
> check that all the lights are working, and pointing in the right direction,
> and that no gels have burned out, I'll buy the concept. Until then, I'll have to
> do it by hand.

Absolutely and I would neither have it nor try to have it any other way!  For 
the record, Frank invited us to come to the other side of town the other day, 
meet over a few cool bevvies and see the current production which was very well 
done.  Frank and I are in vast general agreement on most things theatrical and 
everyone here really ahs to understand that his posts are deliberately 
provocative mainly because he just seems to LOVE getting a stir out of this 
crowd.  He does have one of the best senses of humour around and you need to 
understand that when you react to his posts.....

In short, just think "is the joke really on me here?" before you rise to one of 
Frank's wry and edgy posts from now on.  I'm sure I will.... ;-)

I'm looking forward to more evenings with Frank at Questor's - shame we aren't 
closer!

Charlie

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Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Question #1
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:00:18 -0500
Message-ID: <007001c5eba9$2a62b700$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-25582593 [at] prxy.net>

 
> Seattellites would invariably give me directions like, "Its 
> just past the Starbucks", or, "Take a left at the Starbucks", 
> to which I invariably would reply, "You're kiddin' me, 
> right?"

I love it when people in NY tell me to meet them at the "Starbucks near the
Port Authority".  I can think of at least 4 that are within 3 blocks of the
PA, and according to Starbucks' web site, there are at least 40 within a
mile (and 122* within 2 miles).


* Yes, 122.



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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:03:45 -0500
From: Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu>
Subject: Re: Crew calling software
In-reply-to: <list-25582551 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <437CD411.2080302 [at] ithaca.edu>
Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts
References: <list-25582551 [at] prxy.net>

FrankWood95 [at] aol.com wrote:
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Maybe. When there is a computer that can walk the stage before the show, and 
> check that all the lights are working, and pointing in the right direction, 
> and that no gels have burned out, I'll buy the concept. Until then, I'll have to 
> do it by hand.

Check for burned out lights:  Yep, both my consoles can do that.

Check focus:  MLs will do that for you.

Check Gel burnout:  Use dichroic media.  No burnout.

Buying the concept:  No can do.  LMI/ETC discontinued the Concept 
about ten years ago.  (They even made us return ours to them)

Steve L.

-- 
Stephen C. Litterst
Technical Supervisor
Ithaca College
Dept. of Theatre Arts
607/274-3947
slitterst [at] ithaca.edu

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Message-ID: <ce2084ad0511171105p4e5bf118x2b4e686a59415d44 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:05:54 -0500
From: Ken Romaine <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
In-Reply-To: <list-25582590 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25581713 [at] prxy.net> <list-25582590 [at] prxy.net>

For you, the world, Steve.

On 11/17/05, Stephen Litterst <slitterst [at] ithaca.edu> wrote:
>
> >  "Con-man" my ass.
>
> Just an extra service you provide?

--
Ken Romaine
Northeast US Sales Manager - Barco Events
The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how
much I want to impose them on the rest of the world.

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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:09:55 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Cue Calling Software
In-Reply-To: <list-25582477 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511171907470.31449 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-25582477 [at] prxy.net>

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote:

> I'm not sure why there's such resistance to show control.

Obviously a failure in sales technique.  But it will come when a big enough 
company that has sales people without plaid jackets embraces it.

Charlie

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Message-ID: <437CD5F5.2010709 [at] fredonia.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:11:49 -0500
From: "Stephen E. Rees" <Rees [at] fredonia.edu>
Reply-To:  Rees [at] fredonia.edu
Subject: Re: Stage management discussion threads
References: <list-25581518 [at] prxy.net>

Funny you mention June's descriptions.  I printed that out from the list 
lo those many moons ago and have incorporated it into my lecture for 
Intro to Technical Theatre.  I just taught that an hour ago!  BTW, June 
knows I stole her stuff cause I told her about doing so after Lion King 
in Buffalo.  Very good stuff indeed.  BIG THANKS again, June!!
Steve

Dougherty, Jim wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> I'd like to move that we have June's description of the standard SM thread
> automated, so that it pops up whenever we head down that road.  That was the
> most succinct description of the usual discussion I've read yet.  Any
> further discussion after that shall be by a majority vote of list members
> present.
> 
> And my word of the day is now 'snarkily'.
> 
> Thanks June!
> 
> -  Jim Dougherty
> ATD, Middlebury College Theatre Dept.



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Subject: RE: Question #1
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:14:18 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A4F [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>
Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com

> I love it when people in NY tell me to meet them at the=20
> "Starbucks near the Port Authority".  I can think of at least=20
> 4 that are within 3 blocks of the PA, and according to=20
> Starbucks' web site, there are at least 40 within a mile (and=20
> 122* within 2 miles).

122 Starbucks within 2 miles of the PA...assuming straight-line
figuring, that's a circle 4 miles in diameter,
or...(scribblescribblescribblecarrythetwoscribblescribbleroundingoffholy
crap) about 10 of 'em per square mile.

At that pace, I figure within ten years one of every 12 employed people
will be working at one of these.  With two others at Wal-Mart and one at
McDonald's, of course.  Granted, half of these will have second jobs at
one of the other two places, but...

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Subject: RE: Cue Calling Software
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:15:04 -0500
Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A50 [at] exchange.rmwc.edu>
From: "Paul Schreiner" <pschreiner [at] rmwc.edu>

> > I'm not sure why there's such resistance to show control.
>=20
> Obviously a failure in sales technique.  But it will come=20
> when a big enough=20
> company that has sales people without plaid jackets embraces it.

You mean you've been selling them all these years *with* the plaid
jackets?  Yikes...

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From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com
Message-ID: <1a5.43e5602a.30ae30b8 [at] aol.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:15:04 EST
Subject: Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket

In a message dated 17/11/05 18:00:04 GMT Standard Time, 
ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com writes:

> Frank - even though it's your words that prompted this, this is not
>  aimed personally or exclusively at you (even though "words on paper
>  are actionable").  Unfortunately, your attitude about salesmen is all
>  too common - in and out of our industry.

I apologise to all honest salesmen. I have known many, including one who 
would go so far as to recommend a competitor's product because he thought it was 
better. But we both know, you better than I, that there are many of the other 
sort, who give the profession a bad name. My brother-in-law is one such. His 
prime concern was to sell his goods, and he was very successful. Another 
brother-in-law is even better, for a car rental outfit. He takes his favoured clients 
to major football matches, at his firm's expense, with lunch and drinks. It's 
one technique, but on the low side.

I know that I should be damn bad at it, and have never tried. 


Frank Wood

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Subject: RE: Cue Calling Software - the upcoming SM thread consolidated
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:21:41 -0500
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B902D43 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>



-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of June
Abernathy
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:24 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Cue Calling Software - the upcoming SM thread consolidated

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Well, this thread is back, is it? We usually back into
in when Frank goes on a rant about how operators don't
need an SM to call cues since they have their
carefully labeled scripts to hand a full view of the
stage available to them, and they have had time to
watch and learn the show and the nuances therin.

Then some of us explain that other theaters are
different from Frank's, and some shows are more
complicated than others, and that having a single
person responsible for coordinating matters is
generally considered a Good Thing in these places.

Then Charlie will chime in with the glories of Show
Control, and how everything can be automated so that
the SM needs only push the occasional button, but
that, of course, all sorts of safeties and overrides
are available if things get out of hand.

Then I, or someone else, or I *and* several someone
elses point out that we don't think that show control
offers us the flexibility that Charlie thinks it does,
and we worry about what happens when somebody trips,
or jumps 8 pages of dialogue, or a wagon gets stuck,
or something. We'd like to be able to customize our
response so we have a choice between smacking an
E-stop to bring the show to a grinding halt or
continuing on in hopes that Trixie will get out of the
way of the wagon in time. We post tales of how we
elegantly and artfully worked around some problem by
being able to control the separate elements separately
with great ease. We then get all artsy about the
finesse and beauty of being able to time things to
work with live music, and the nuance of things
happening just so.

Charlie usually replies by saying that Show Control,
properly used by trained people allows all this, and
so much more. But, that we like things as they have
always been and have our heads stuck in the sand but
it's our loss.

We snarkily reply that someone hitting a button in
Vegas or a Theme Park or a Cruise Ship isn't a Real
Stage Manager (TM). Frank will repeat that he doesn't
see the need for a Stage Manager. And we all grumble
off to our corners until this comes up again.

I propose that we save a wee bit of bandwidth this
time and avoid the Repeating Stage Management Thread
this time. Any takers?

June Abernathy
AEA Stage Manager
Tampa, FL


	=09
__________________________________=20
Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page!=20
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

------------------------------

Subject: RE: Cue Calling Software - the upcoming SM thread consolidated
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:21:43 -0500
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B902D44 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>



-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of June
Abernathy
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:24 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Cue Calling Software - the upcoming SM thread consolidated

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Well, this thread is back, is it? We usually back into
in when Frank goes on a rant about how operators don't
need an SM to call cues since they have their
carefully labeled scripts to hand a full view of the
stage available to them, and they have had time to
watch and learn the show and the nuances therin.

Then some of us explain that other theaters are
different from Frank's, and some shows are more
complicated than others, and that having a single
person responsible for coordinating matters is
generally considered a Good Thing in these places.

Then Charlie will chime in with the glories of Show
Control, and how everything can be automated so that
the SM needs only push the occasional button, but
that, of course, all sorts of safeties and overrides
are available if things get out of hand.

Then I, or someone else, or I *and* several someone
elses point out that we don't think that show control
offers us the flexibility that Charlie thinks it does,
and we worry about what happens when somebody trips,
or jumps 8 pages of dialogue, or a wagon gets stuck,
or something. We'd like to be able to customize our
response so we have a choice between smacking an
E-stop to bring the show to a grinding halt or
continuing on in hopes that Trixie will get out of the
way of the wagon in time. We post tales of how we
elegantly and artfully worked around some problem by
being able to control the separate elements separately
with great ease. We then get all artsy about the
finesse and beauty of being able to time things to
work with live music, and the nuance of things
happening just so.

Charlie usually replies by saying that Show Control,
properly used by trained people allows all this, and
so much more. But, that we like things as they have
always been and have our heads stuck in the sand but
it's our loss.

We snarkily reply that someone hitting a button in
Vegas or a Theme Park or a Cruise Ship isn't a Real
Stage Manager (TM). Frank will repeat that he doesn't
see the need for a Stage Manager. And we all grumble
off to our corners until this comes up again.

I propose that we save a wee bit of bandwidth this
time and avoid the Repeating Stage Management Thread
this time. Any takers?

June Abernathy
AEA Stage Manager
Tampa, FL


	=09
__________________________________=20
Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page!=20
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

------------------------------

Subject: RE: Cue Calling Software - the upcoming SM thread consolidated
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:21:44 -0500
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B902D45 [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>



-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of June
Abernathy
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 3:24 AM
To: Stagecraft
Subject: Cue Calling Software - the upcoming SM thread consolidated

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

Well, this thread is back, is it? We usually back into
in when Frank goes on a rant about how operators don't
need an SM to call cues since they have their
carefully labeled scripts to hand a full view of the
stage available to them, and they have had time to
watch and learn the show and the nuances therin.

Then some of us explain that other theaters are
different from Frank's, and some shows are more
complicated than others, and that having a single
person responsible for coordinating matters is
generally considered a Good Thing in these places.

Then Charlie will chime in with the glories of Show
Control, and how everything can be automated so that
the SM needs only push the occasional button, but
that, of course, all sorts of safeties and overrides
are available if things get out of hand.

Then I, or someone else, or I *and* several someone
elses point out that we don't think that show control
offers us the flexibility that Charlie thinks it does,
and we worry about what happens when somebody trips,
or jumps 8 pages of dialogue, or a wagon gets stuck,
or something. We'd like to be able to customize our
response so we have a choice between smacking an
E-stop to bring the show to a grinding halt or
continuing on in hopes that Trixie will get out of the
way of the wagon in time. We post tales of how we
elegantly and artfully worked around some problem by
being able to control the separate elements separately
with great ease. We then get all artsy about the
finesse and beauty of being able to time things to
work with live music, and the nuance of things
happening just so.

Charlie usually replies by saying that Show Control,
properly used by trained people allows all this, and
so much more. But, that we like things as they have
always been and have our heads stuck in the sand but
it's our loss.

We snarkily reply that someone hitting a button in
Vegas or a Theme Park or a Cruise Ship isn't a Real
Stage Manager (TM). Frank will repeat that he doesn't
see the need for a Stage Manager. And we all grumble
off to our corners until this comes up again.

I propose that we save a wee bit of bandwidth this
time and avoid the Repeating Stage Management Thread
this time. Any takers?

June Abernathy
AEA Stage Manager
Tampa, FL


	=09
__________________________________=20
Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page!=20
http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:21:06 -0500
Subject: Re: Sam Gossard
From: "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" <raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
Message-ID: <BFA24252.12E6%raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu>
In-Reply-To: <list-25581979 [at] prxy.net>





> 
> Sam Gossard died suddenly on Tuesday.  Services are on Monday.  Here's what
> I know:
> 
>
> I worked for Sam back in the early 80's when he had a shop up in the
Bronx.....
> He was a great big bear of a guy and a teddy
> bear at heart.  Not many like him any more.
> 
> 

Does anyone know if this is the guy who was at Acadia Scenic in Jersey City
in the late 80's early 90's?  He also ran fly's for one of the union houses
in the city.

The discription matches but my memory is a little fuzzy on the name.


-- 
Merel Ray-Pfeifer
Technical Director
Dept of Speech Comm. & Dramatic Arts
Central Michigan University
Mt Pleasant, MI  48858

989/774-6594

> 
> 


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:21:40 +0000 (GMT)
From: Charlie Richmond <charlier [at] RichmondSoundDesign.com>
Subject: Re: Cue Calling Software
In-Reply-To: <list-25583044 [at] prxy.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0511171916510.1516 [at] viscount.richmondsounddesign.com>
References: <list-25583044 [at] prxy.net>

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005, Paul Schreiner wrote:

> You mean you've been selling them all these years *with* the plaid
> jackets?  Yikes...

No.  Big companies buy good products from any size company of good repute. 
We're a small company and have been selling mainly to large companies for the 
last 35 years.  Nary a plaid jacket in the crowd...

Small companies generally buy only from big companies, plaid jackets 
notwithstanding.

That's my point ;-)

Charlie

------------------------------

Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:26:42 -0500
Message-ID: <007a01c5ebac$d76749e0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-25583051 [at] prxy.net>


> I apologise to all honest salesmen. I have known many, 
> including one who 
> would go so far as to recommend a competitor's product 
> because he thought it was 
> better.

Gimble's has the same thing for less money.



------------------------------

Subject: apology
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:25:56 -0500
Message-ID: <3CF87682970858499CA56707FB1F092B902D4A [at] wscc-s-003000.westshore.edu>
From: "Davis, Thomas J" <TJDavis [at] westshore.edu>

Well, here I was reading through the SM thread that wasn't, and got
interrupted by the phone, leaned over to pick it up, and don't ask me
how I did it, but my elbow nad the mouse between them managed to "reply"
3 times.

=20

SORRY.

=20

I really did not mean to suck up everyone's bandwidth.

=20

Tom D


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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:34:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Sam Gossard
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFA24571.52EE%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25583198 [at] prxy.net>

Sam came out of the Minneapolis area in the late 70's.  He may have been at
Acadia for a while.  His own shop closed around '85 or so.  He was the house
flyman at the Shubert (I think).

Bill S.
www.sapsis-rigging.com
800.727.7471
800.292.3851  fax
267.278.4561 mobile

Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity
motorcycle ride.   <www.LRLR.org>






On 11/17/05 2:21 PM, "Ray-Pfeifer, Merel" <raypf1mg [at] cmich.edu> wrote:

> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Sam Gossard died suddenly on Tuesday.  Services are on Monday.  Here's what
>> I know:
>> 
>> 
>> I worked for Sam back in the early 80's when he had a shop up in the
> Bronx.....
>> He was a great big bear of a guy and a teddy
>> bear at heart.  Not many like him any more.
>> 
>> 
> 
> Does anyone know if this is the guy who was at Acadia Scenic in Jersey City
> in the late 80's early 90's?  He also ran fly's for one of the union houses
> in the city.
> 
> The discription matches but my memory is a little fuzzy on the name.
> 



------------------------------

Message-ID: <2E3198416D5E7A4FB3FEC7E6838FE36B27868B [at] ct11exm60.ds.mot.com>
From: Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
Subject: RE: Question #1
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:35:48 -0700

I hope you took into consideration that less than a mile West of the PA is the Hudson.  So unless they have now put Starbucks on boats and barges, the concentration in mid-town Manhattan is more than 10/sq mi. 


Chip 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner
Sent: 11/17/2005 12:14 PM
To: Stagecraft
Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com
Subject: Re: Question #1

For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
---------------------------------------------------

> I love it when people in NY tell me to meet them at the "Starbucks 
> near the Port Authority".  I can think of at least
> 4 that are within 3 blocks of the PA, and according to Starbucks' web 
> site, there are at least 40 within a mile (and
> 122* within 2 miles).

122 Starbucks within 2 miles of the PA...assuming straight-line figuring, that's a circle 4 miles in diameter, or...(scribblescribblescribblecarrythetwoscribblescribbleroundingoffholy
crap) about 10 of 'em per square mile.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:35:58 -0500
From: Kevin Lee Allen <klad [at] klad.com>
Subject: Re: Sam Gossard
In-reply-to: <list-25583198 [at] prxy.net>
Message-id: <94CDBF9D-20DC-4F33-9733-911BC28D04D3 [at] klad.com>
References: <list-25581979 [at] prxy.net> <list-25583198 [at] prxy.net>


around then, yes.


On Nov 17, 2005, at 2:21 PM, Ray-Pfeifer, Merel wrote:

> Does anyone know if this is the guy who was at Acadia Scenic in =20
> Jersey City
> in the late 80's early 90's?


-----
Kevin Lee Allen
Architect of Dreams
http://www.klad.com
973.744.6352.voice
201.280.3841.mobile
klad [at] klad.com
=F0




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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:36:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFA245FE.52F0%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25583333 [at] prxy.net>

White Christmas,,,yes?

Didn't work out that well, eh?  Macy's is still here but Gimbels is long
gone.


On 11/17/05 2:26 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
wrote:

> Gimble's has the same thing for less money.



------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:39:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Certification info.
From: Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
Message-ID: <BFA246A3.52F1%bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com>
In-Reply-To: <list-25582348 [at] prxy.net>

Neal drove the bus.  I suspect it's from both of them.



On 11/17/05 11:31 AM, "CB" <psyd [at] cox.net> wrote:

> Wasn't that Ken Kesey?



------------------------------

Message-ID: <2E3198416D5E7A4FB3FEC7E6838FE36B27868F [at] ct11exm60.ds.mot.com>
From: Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
Subject: RE: apology
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:40:31 -0700

You and Rosemary Woods.  But "she" hit the tape erase at least 3 times over 14 and 1/2 min. 


Chip 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Davis, Thomas J

Well, here I was reading through the SM thread that wasn't, and got interrupted by the phone, leaned over to pick it up, and don't ask me how I did it, but my elbow nad the mouse between them managed to "reply"
3 times.


------------------------------

Message-ID: <2E3198416D5E7A4FB3FEC7E6838FE36B278691 [at] ct11exm60.ds.mot.com>
From: Wood Chip-P26398 <Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com>
Subject: RE: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:46:21 -0700

Actually "Miracle on 34th St"  Edmund Gwenn as Macy's Santa telling harried mother about toy.  There was a salesman who didn't need no steenkin plaid jacket.


Chip 
-----Original Message-----
From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sapsis

White Christmas,,,yes?

Didn't work out that well, eh?  Macy's is still here but Gimbels is long gone.


On 11/17/05 2:26 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
wrote:

> Gimble's has the same thing for less money.



------------------------------

Message-ID: <ce2084ad0511171146t5c0b00bcx1ce6b362bba86862 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:46:42 -0500
From: Ken Romaine <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
In-Reply-To: <list-25583518 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25583333 [at] prxy.net> <list-25583518 [at] prxy.net>

Nope - "Miracle on 34th Street".

You go tthat wrong.  I guess you're not certified.

But you ARE certifiable.

On 11/17/05, Bill Sapsis <bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com> wrote:
> For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see <http://stagecraft.theprices.net/>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> White Christmas,,,yes?
>
> Didn't work out that well, eh?  Macy's is still here but Gimbels is long
> gone.
>
>
> On 11/17/05 2:26 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Gimble's has the same thing for less money.

--
Ken Romaine
Northeast US Sales Manager - Barco Events
The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how
much I want to impose them on the rest of the world.

------------------------------

Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:46:28 -0500
Message-ID: <007c01c5ebaf$9d84afd0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-25583518 [at] prxy.net>

Nope.  Think Jimmy Stewart and Frank Capra.
 
> White Christmas,,,yes?
> 
> Didn't work out that well, eh?  Macy's is still here but 
> Gimbels is long gone.
> 
> 
> On 11/17/05 2:26 PM, "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 
> <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Gimble's has the same thing for less money.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



------------------------------

Reply-To: <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" <stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com>
Subject: RE: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:49:46 -0500
Message-ID: <007d01c5ebb0$134fde60$6601a8c0 [at] Dell>
In-Reply-To: <list-25583518 [at] prxy.net>


> Didn't work out that well, eh?  Macy's is still here but=20
> Gimbels is long gone.

EEEK!  Did I say Jimmy Stweart and Frank Capra?

Obviously, I'm getting old.

It's from "Miracle on 34th Street", and may well have been the mother of =
all
product placements.  Macy's even got their address in the movie's title.



------------------------------

Message-ID: <ce2084ad0511171151j9251fe2r5ff4c7a181b88d42 [at] mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:51:47 -0500
From: Ken Romaine <ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sales - It's not just a plaid jacket
In-Reply-To: <list-25583051 [at] prxy.net>
References: <list-25583051 [at] prxy.net>

On 11/17/05, FrankWood95 [at] aol.com <FrankWood95 [at] aol.com> wrote:
> I apologise to all honest salesmen. I have known many, including one who
> would go so far as to recommend a competitor's product because he thought=
 it was
> better. But we both know, you better than I, that there are many of the o=
ther
> sort, who give the profession a bad name.

Thanx.  Your apology is accepted - but unnecessary.  I knew what you
meant when I read it.

> I know that I should be damn bad at it, and have never tried.

Stranger things have happened.
--
Ken Romaine
Northeast US Sales Manager - Barco Events
The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how
much I want to impose them on the rest of the world.

------------------------------

Reply-To: <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
From: "Peter Scheu" <peter [at] scheuconsulting.com>
Subject: RE: Sam Gossard
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:57:40 -0500
Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAAFIzFiG12TU6sr87xtBG2l8KAAAAQAAAAxAB79rEBg0iOGytSBhFoQAEAAAAA [at] scheuconsulting.com>
In-reply-to: <list-25583498 [at] prxy.net>

I had the great pleasure of working closely with Sam (Sander) Gossard on =
the
stage rigging renovations at the Julliard when I was at Clancy back in =
the
mid 1990's. He was a seriously class act and great fun to work with, =
even if
the job was a difficult one. He actually made it a joy to show up on the
site.

I know Sam will be greatly missed by his colleagues, friends, and =
especially
family. My condolences and best wishes to all.

Peter Scheu

Scheu Consulting Services, Inc.
www.scheuconsulting.com
Tel: 315.422.9984
fax: 413.513.4966


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