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X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 25757797; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:04:17 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #602 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:01:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #602 1. ringing mobile by b Ricie 2. actor snaps by b Ricie 3. Costume Rental needed - How to Succeed by "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" 4. Re: Disrputive audience members by BKHAIN [at] aol.com 5. Re: Disrputive audience members by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 6. Re: Costume Rental needed - How to Succeed by Kurt Cypher 7. Re: Rigging Certification by "Bill Conner" 8. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by Dorian Kelly 9. Re: Strange locking rails by Noemi Ybarra 10. Re: Strange locking rails by Noemi Ybarra 11. Re: buss/bus by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 12. Re: Colored Smoke or Fog by Nathan Kahn 13. Re: In reference to ....Revox by CB 14. Digital Recording (was:Re: In reference to Rigging Certification.) by CB 15. Re: Finally colored bubbles..can fog be far behind? by Nathan Kahn 16. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by CB 17. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by "Chris Warner" 18. Re: Planning for audience demographics was: Actor snaps over pho ne ring by Wood Chip-P26398 19. HC Parking by "Stephen E. Rees" 20. Re: Graduate Programs by "Stephen E. Rees" 21. Re: Graduate Programs by Shelly A Ford 22. Re: Graduate Programs by Stephen Litterst 23. How does a truss break? by "Cyr, Dale" 24. Re: How does a truss break? by "Paul Schreiner" 25. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by Jim Hyslop 26. Re: Planning for audience demographics was: Actor snaps over phone ring by Jim Hyslop 27. Re: In reference to ....Revox by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 28. Re: Graduate Programs by "Maurice Moe Conn" 29. Re: How does a truss break? by "Cyr, Dale" 30. Re: Digital Recording (was:Re: In reference to Rigging Certification.) by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 31. Re: Planning for audience demographics was: Actor snaps over phone ring by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 32. Re: Planning for audience demographics was: Actor snaps over phone ring by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 33. Where to get a paint sink in Chicago by "William Auld" 34. Re: Planning for audience demographics was: Actor snaps over phone ring by Steve Larson 35. Electrical certification by Bill Sapsis 36. Re: Where to get a paint sink in Chicago by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 37. Portable Staging by "Steve" 38. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by Stuart Wheaton 39. Re: How does a truss break? by Dale Farmer 40. Re: Where to get a paint sink in Chicago by Stuart Wheaton 41. Rental Computer Source by "James, Brian" 42. Re: Rental Computer Source by Dale Farmer 43. Re: Portable Staging by James Feinberg 44. Re: Rental Computer Source by "Adam Berns" 45. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 46. Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile by Mark O'Brien *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message-ID: <20051128135821.35292.qmail [at] web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 05:58:20 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: ringing mobile In-Reply-To: >>dealing with folks disrupting the shoe are doing thier audiences a disservice. If the ushers ask you to leave the first time your phone goes off, it usually means that its also the last time your phone goes off, and the only phone to go off that performance.<< So, as I understand it, if they disrupt the shoe you give them the boot. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051128140306.10242.qmail [at] web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 06:03:05 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: actor snaps In-Reply-To: >>Heh, thanks for the reminder. Being the president, I guess I'm seeing more of the dirt than the spotlight at the moment. -- Jim Hyslop<< Uhumm...Well Mr. Jim Hyslop Bush, if ya have a minute, there is some dirt I would like to talk about... Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "RICHARD FINKELSTEIN" Subject: Costume Rental needed - How to Succeed Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:08:09 -0500 Greetings. I thought I already sent this in but I didn't see it online. Apologies if it is a duplicate. We are looking for the availability of a costume rental package for How to Succeed in Business... for a February Run. Any takers? Ideas? Richard Finkelstein James Madison University rfinkels [at] msn.com ------------------------------ From: BKHAIN [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:09:58 EST Subject: Re: Disrputive audience members I was running spotlight just yesterday at a famous country music group concert. Suddenly we see an usher confronting an elderly patron just off stage left but in full audience view. She's trying to get onstage, the usher is holding her and she's *very* upset judging by the flailing arms. Another usher appears and they try to get her to move but she doesn't want to move. It takes a moment before she finally throws her arms down and stomps away. Turns out she was going to tell one of the singers to "...get rid of those drums!" Was pretty funny actually. Benjamin Hain ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Disrputive audience members Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:14:57 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01c5f426$1fba12f0$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Suddenly we see an usher confronting an elderly > patron just off stage left > but in full audience view. [deletia] > Turns out she was going to tell one of the singers to "...get > rid of those > drums!" What they didn't tell you is that before she sat through the drum EQ, she was only 27 years old. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:58:18 -0500 From: Kurt Cypher Subject: Re: Costume Rental needed - How to Succeed In-Reply-To: References: T24gMTEvMjgvMDUsIFJJQ0hBUkQgRklOS0VMU1RFSU4gPHJmaW5rZWxzQG1zbi5jb20+IHdyb3Rl Ogo+IEdyZWV0aW5ncy4gSSB0aG91Z2h0IEkgYWxyZWFkeSBzZW50IHRoaXMgaW4gYnV0IEkgZGlk bid0IHNlZSBpdCBvbmxpbmUuCj4gQXBvbG9naWVzIGlmIGl0IGlzIGEgZHVwbGljYXRlLiBXZSBh cmUgbG9va2luZyBmb3IgdGhlIGF2YWlsYWJpbGl0eSBvZiBhCj4gY29zdHVtZSByZW50YWwgcGFj a2FnZSBmb3IgSG93IHRvIFN1Y2NlZWQgaW4gQnVzaW5lc3MuLi4gZm9yIGEgRmVicnVhcnkgUnVu Lgo+IEFueSB0YWtlcnM/IElkZWFzPwo+Cj4gUmljaGFyZCBGaW5rZWxzdGVpbgo+IEphbWVzIE1h ZGlzb24gVW5pdmVyc2l0eQo+IHJmaW5rZWxzQG1zbi5jb20KCk15IHJlc3BvbnNlIHRvIHRoZSBs YXN0IHRpbWUgeW91IHBvc3RlZCB0aGlzIHF1ZXN0aW9uIHN0aWxsIGhvbGRzCihhc3N1bWluZyBt eSBlbWFpbCBtYWRlIGl0KTogdGhhdCB5b3UgY2FuIEdvb2dsZSAiSG93IHRvIFN1Y2NlZWQgaW4K QnVzaW5lc3MgQ29zdHVtZXMiIGFuZCBjaGVjawpvdXQgdGhlIGNvc3R1bWUgcmVudGFsIHBsYWNl cyB0aGF0IHNob3cgdXAgaW4gdGhlIHJlc3VsdHMuCgpPdGhlciBwZW9wbGUgc3VnZ2VzdGVkIGxv b2tpbmcgaW50byBzZWxmLWNvc3R1bWluZyBpdCBieSBjaGVja2luZyBvdXQKdGhyaWZ0IHN0b3Jl cywgd2hpY2ggSSBhZ3JlZSB3aXRoLiAgSWYgSSByZWNhbGwgY29ycmVjdGx5LCB0aGUgb25seQpk aWZmaWN1bHQgY29zdHVtZSByZXF1aXJpbmcgY3VzdG9tIHdvcmsgd291bGQgYmUgdGhlIHNldmVy YWwgbWF0Y2hpbmcKIm9uZS1vZi1hLWtpbmQiIGRyZXNzZXMsIGFuZCBhIHJlYXNvbmFibHktdGFs ZW50ZWQgc2V3ZXIgc2hvdWxkIGJlCmFibGUgdG8gZG8gdGhhdCBmb3IgeW91LgoKS3VydAo= ------------------------------ Message-ID: <00aa01c5f438$26773660$6601a8c0 [at] BCA1> Reply-To: "Bill Conner" From: "Bill Conner" Subject: Re: Rigging Certification Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:24:03 -0600 Just caught up reading about 10 digests so a little late but count me in believing those that suggest that over time certification will become a basic requirement. To think that lawyers and insurance companies will demand any less once they learn of it is naive. Maybe not next year or the year after, but soon. Of course, the demand may permit and result in a multi-tier approach as some have suggested. Face it: this litigious society does not tolerate mistakes and requiring all riggers to be certified, licensed, tested, and so on is one means of an employer showing they did everything possible to prevent mistakes and thus are not negligent. Bill ------------------------------ Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:23:20 +0000 From: Dorian Kelly Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile Theres a great gag that the Odeon Cinema Chain do in the UK - They play a surround sound recording of phones going off all round you just before curtain up. It works really well to remind you that yours is on- and its sponsored by one of the networks. Its worth trying in the theatre. DK ------------------------------ Message-ID: <438B3F26.721EF01 [at] jonesphillips.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:32:22 -0500 From: Noemi Ybarra Subject: Re: Strange locking rails References: See what happens when architects don't take advantage of consultants? :-) (at least I HOPE no consultant was involved!) Noemi Ybarra Delbert Hall wrote: > Stupidity is in no short supply when it comes to architects designing > bad theatres. I am working in a high school auditorium (proscenium > theatre) this weekend where the stage house is only about 22 feet high > (with a pipe grid at 16' above the stage), but the house is around 45 > feet tall (there is no balcony and the orchectra is very flat) where > most of this space is above the suspended ceiling. Had the architect > made the stage house as tall as the house, they could have had a > counterweight system, but as it is, everything over the stage has to > be dead hung while there is a huge amount of waisted space over the > house. The theatre is only five years old. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <438B3FAC.288EA39A [at] jonesphillips.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:34:36 -0500 From: Noemi Ybarra Subject: Re: Strange locking rails References: Ducts - the bane of my existance! Noemi Bill Conner wrote: > You can put a note on every drawing "do not put anything under this beam" or > "in front of this catwalk" and at least half - if not 90% - of the time > something will show up there -sprinkler, duct, roof drain - and it will be a > fight to get it moved, usually with threats of delay of opening attached. ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <195.4c6cfc48.30bc9d77 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:50:47 EST Subject: Re: buss/bus In a message dated 28/11/05 09:45:49 GMT Standard Time, billn [at] peak.org writes: > In this case, at least in the US, I seldom hear the term "bar" used at all > by electricians. They call the conductor a "ground buss/bus", > "common/neutral buss/bus" etc. In the UK, at least, the box in which they live is usually called a 'bus-bar chamber', and is bought from the dealers as such. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <77fad3270511280957r13ecf0aepddd9eb317e5a581e [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:57:12 -0500 From: Nathan Kahn Subject: Re: Colored Smoke or Fog In-Reply-To: References: You can get Grey Smoke Powder at www.theatrefx.com - look in the cybershop under Pyrotechnics / Smoke Powder. They also have Violet, which is very dark (I've seen it burn), and might actually work for Black. Or perhaps mix Violet and Grey together. Just some ideas. Nathan / Look Solutions USA www.fogspecs.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051128105632.00cef300 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:56:32 From: CB Subject: Re: In reference to ....Revox >The latter were marvellous machines, too. Battery operated (18 D-size cells), >of extremely high quality, and very reliable. Now available on ebay for about $150 US. With no one making 1/4" tape anymore, they are dinosaurs. I just did a coupla hours of work for a film production house and am negotiating their old Nag instead of a check! Wish me luck. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051128110419.00cef300 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:04:19 From: CB Subject: Digital Recording (was:Re: In reference to Rigging Certification.) >Right after the >signal leaves the studio desk, it travels on analogue lines, through analogue >distribution amplifiers, to an analogue transmitter. Who knows what will happen >to it on the way? Ehm, I do, if I'm the engineer. And that's important. Its not only the components that need to be well engineered, but the signal path as well. Sending a signal through well-engineered but innappropriate gear is not great engineering. >Yes, digital recording removes a few problems. Headroom and wow and flutter >are two. It adds as many as it removes, and headroom is still an issue. One that will destroy your recording as well as your reputation if you ignore it. The headroom ends at bit saturation. Once you're out of bits, it sounds like s***. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: <77fad3270511281012k242a618cs76fc4ad86910f3d7 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:12:11 -0500 From: Nathan Kahn Subject: Re: Finally colored bubbles..can fog be far behind? In-Reply-To: References: It also says that water makes the color disappear, so that would pose a problem with fog fluid. Nathan / Look Solutions USA www.fogspecs.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20051128110840.00cef300 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:08:40 From: CB Subject: RE: Actor snaps over ringing mobile >AS the Sound Op I watched the House staff deal with! *sigh* OK, I'll bite. What is the policy that the house staff used, and what methodology, from that policy, was employed in the removal/submission of the drunk and disorderly patron? Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ From: "Chris Warner" Subject: RE: Actor snaps over ringing mobile Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:28:08 -0800 Message-ID: <02ac01c5f449$7b5ed690$6401a8c0 [at] chris> In-Reply-To: Actually, with this one, the house staff let the individual sit with there friend, then the friends took the individual to the rest room, and the house staff didn't let the individual back. Very effective. Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of CB > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:09 AM > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >AS the Sound Op I watched the House staff deal with! > > *sigh* OK, I'll bite. What is the policy that the house staff used, and > what methodology, from that policy, was employed in the removal/submission > of the drunk and disorderly patron? > Chris "Chris" Babbie > Location Sound > MON AZ > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/184 - Release Date: 11/27/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/184 - Release Date: 11/27/2005 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2E3198416D5E7A4FB3FEC7E6838FE36B278D7E [at] ct11exm60.ds.mot.com> From: Wood Chip-P26398 Subject: RE: Planning for audience demographics was: Actor snaps over pho ne ring Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:19:53 -0700 I have an 84 year old in my household and she has a handicap flag to stick on the mirror. Often all the handicap spots are filled at theatres, probably due to the demographics of the audience. Do your venues have just the minimum number of handicap spots required by law or do you add more than required because you know your audience? This is akin to having more toilets for females to shorten the long lines at intermission. Do any theater planners think about these things? Chip -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of b Ricie Cape Cod tends to have the reputation of being God waiting room, so our audiences tend to be a bit older. "They" want to park in the fire lane because all the handicap parking is full. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <438B538C.6090700 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:59:24 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: HC Parking References: Around our building there are several lots, each with the correct percentage of HC spaces. This amounts to about 5 to 7 percent of spaces if memory serves. On the large round-about in front of the facility there are 20 or so spaces that are labeled as HC only from 6 PM to 12PM. This allows the spaces to be used by non-HC tag holders during business hours. This works reasonably well. There are still occasions where Univ. Police will monitor parking for large attractions that draw the older crowd and create temporary HC parking as necessary. Unmarked spaces become HC spaces but only for the duration of the event. Also, much use is made of shuttle busses (not buss-bars, non-electrified and certainly not kissable) for abled drivers who use perimeter lots. Steve Rees Wood Chip-P26398 wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have an 84 year old in my household and she has a handicap flag to stick on the mirror. Often all the handicap spots are filled at theatres, probably due to the demographics of the audience. > > Do your venues have just the minimum number of handicap spots required by law or do you add more than required because you know your audience? This is akin to having more toilets for females to shorten the long lines at intermission. > > Do any theater planners think about these things? ------------------------------ Message-ID: <438B5633.7010302 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:10:43 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Graduate Programs References: If you are specifically interested in Stage Management, you might explore the Professional Theatre Training Program at The Univ of Delaware. They only admit on three year cycles and I don't know where they are in the current one. Google PTTP, click on the first hit you find for UDel. Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia Justin Ames wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Hi, > I am new here. I am a student in Production Studies in Performing > Arts at Clemson University. I have been lurking for a while and have > found quite a bit of really interesting stuff here (I find I learn > more reading bits and pieces and filling in the big picture than I do > from textbooks). I am not yet sure what I want to do yet. But my main > focus is on Stage Management, then Light and Set Design. I plan on > doing some work before grad school, but I want to get started > searching so long. I was just wondering what good graduate programs > you guys recommend. (And yes, I will probably teach somewhere in the > future, so I definitely want to get my MFA). > > Thanks, > Justin Ames ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 14:44:24 -0500 (EST) From: Shelly A Ford Subject: Re: Graduate Programs Message-id: <1967956.1133207064218.JavaMail.sford4 [at] aug.edu> Go work for awhile and ask the people you work with and learn the most from where they went to graduate school. Especially as a stage manager, working before grad school is important. As a designer, working as a technician will serve you well prior to formal study. When it's time to go to school, find a program with assistantship money and get a roommate to share expenses so you can avoid taking out student loans. I personally recommend University of Memphis. Justin Ames wrote: >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >Hi, > I am new here. I am a student in Production Studies in Performing >Arts at Clemson University. I have been lurking for a while and have >found quite a bit of really interesting stuff here (I find I learn >more reading bits and pieces and filling in the big picture than I do >from textbooks). I am not yet sure what I want to do yet. But my main >focus is on Stage Management, then Light and Set Design. I plan on >doing some work before grad school, but I want to get started >searching so long. I was just wondering what good graduate programs >you guys recommend. (And yes, I will probably teach somewhere in the >future, so I definitely want to get my MFA). > >Thanks, >Justin Ames > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:01:02 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Graduate Programs In-reply-to: Message-id: <438B61FE.7070409 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Stephen E. Rees wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > If you are specifically interested in Stage Management, you might > explore the Professional Theatre Training Program at The Univ of > Delaware. They only admit on three year cycles and I don't know where > they are in the current one. Google PTTP, click on the first hit you > find for UDel. www.udel.edu/theatre My undergrad degree is from Delaware, and I did many shows with the PTTP, and have nothing but good memories about the SM program there. I was not an SM, so my experience was working with the SM grad students. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Subject: How does a truss break? Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 15:24:06 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cyr, Dale" a major rock show was in town a while back, using a box truss composed of 4 sections, picked by 3 motors; one at each end, one at center. while the truss was being raised, the top chords failed at the center point (the chords separated from the connector plates), showing a gap of about 1/8 inch. i maintained the center point was high. others maintained the center point was low. who was right? dale cyr Training Supervisor IATSE Local 93 Spokane Wa ------------------------------ Subject: RE: How does a truss break? Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:00:59 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A5C [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > a major rock show was in town a while back, > using a box truss composed of 4 sections, > picked by 3 motors; one at each end, one at center. >=20 > while the truss was being raised, the top chords failed > at the center point (the chords separated from the connector=20 > plates), showing a gap of about 1/8 inch. >=20 > i maintained the center point was high. > others maintained the center point was low. >=20 > who was right? Wow, Dale, what is it with you and truss this time of year? Can you tell which side (bottom or top) of the chords separated first? It would seem to me that if the top chords broke off the connector plates but the bottom chords remained intact that the top of the truss was undergoing a substantial tension load, when normally you'd expect that to be under compression instead...which would mean that it would have had to have been higher than the ends, which means you're owed the beer. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <438B8196.8070805 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:15:50 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile References: In-Reply-To: Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >>We may go to reserved seating, for this and other reasons. > > > For an extreme example of "other reasons," Google "The Who" and "Riverfront > Coliseum". Not likely to happen in our theatre - 262 seats, a large chunk occupied by "the blue rinse set". Occasionally we get "walker gridlock" but that's about it ;=) -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Message-ID: <438B83F2.5060605 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:25:54 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Planning for audience demographics was: Actor snaps over phone ring References: In-Reply-To: Wood Chip-P26398 wrote: > Do your venues have just the minimum number of handicap spots > required by law or do you add more than required because you know > your audience? Yes. The theatre I work out of (Scarborough Village Theatre) underwent some renovations about 12 years ago, and as part of the renos a segment of the parking lot close to the building was converted to handicap parking. There are at least 8 spots, which is, I believe, well in excess of the required minimum. Of course, it helps that the theatre is part of a city-owned recreation centre, and there is a very active seniors' group operating out of the rec centre as well. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <12f.6aba2b89.30bced59 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:31:37 EST Subject: Re: In reference to ....Revox In a message dated 28/11/05 18:04:08 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > Now available on ebay for about $150 US. With no one making 1/4" tape > anymore, they are dinosaurs. I just did a coupla hours of work for a film > production house and am negotiating their old Nag instead of a check! Wish > me luck. I wish you luck. They were, IMHO, the best portable reel-to reel machine ever made. I have, should you need them, the manuals for the IV, 4.2, 4S, and even the IS. If we can reach some arrangement about mailing costs, since I'm in the UK, I will gladly send you some or all of them. I think it very unlikely that I shall need them, now. We used to have a lot of special jigs and adaptors which made testing and alignment easier, but the only vital one was that for the bias oscillator, which was a Nagra thing, with the two connectors at right angles.. The rest were cobbled up from DIN connectors and diecast boxes, with connectors on them to suit our test gear. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Maurice Moe Conn" Subject: Re: Graduate Programs Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:39:53 +0000 My .02... I would recommend going somewhere close to a city that has Live Theatre, Trade Shows, Concerts...you get the picture. That afforded me the chance to get out and do some load-ins/outs, an occasional design gig (that paid), light hangs and even plane'ole grunt work, but it allowed me to get my feet wet in what would become my profession. I would start by calling any and all of interest, and start collecting information and research. Talk to the the Profs. ask questions about the program, tell them what you want and ask them if they can give you what you need. Ask them if the have connections to the outside events. Ask how many people are in the program. If you are going to be a SM and there are 40 people in the program and only 4 shows a year what kind of chances do you get for that position? As a Designer any experience you can get either in design or building will be beneficial. That's my story.. Moe Maurice "Moe" Conn Designer/Technical Director Kohn Theatre University of the Cumberlands 606-539-4520 mconn [at] cumberlandcollege.edu Long Reach Long Riders announce dates for the 2006 Charlty Ride. Check out www.lrlr.org for more information ------------------------------ Subject: RE: How does a truss break? Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:43:17 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Cyr, Dale" >-----Original Message----- >From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul Schreiner > >Wow, Dale, what is it with you and truss this time of year? just lucky I guess ;) >Can you tell which side (bottom or top) of the chords separated first? couldn't tell which side, top or bottom, of the top chord that separated first. the truss was about 30 feet up at the time.=20 >which means you're owed the beer. the road rigger with the show adamantly maintains _he_ gets the beer. his reasoning, which I've heard other riggers say: aluminum is stronger in tension than compression; if the the center point was low, the top chords were in compression,=20 and they will fail first. the way they will fail is by tearing (instead of buckling). i would dismiss him immediately, but others i also respect back up his story of what would happen if=20 the center point was low. seems counter intuitive to me... i am sorely tempted to take a coupla sections that have been taken out of service and purposely break them, just to see _how_ they fail... i'll need something really heavy... let's see... i wonder if my friend will let me try to pick up=20 his Hummer... the wording of that request would be critical... ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:45:44 EST Subject: Re: Digital Recording (was:Re: In reference to Rigging Certification.) In a message dated 28/11/05 18:14:27 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > It adds as many as it removes, and headroom is still an issue. One that > will destroy your recording as well as your reputation if you ignore it. > The headroom ends at bit saturation. Once you're out of bits, it sounds > like s***. Oh yes! The next step up from FFFF is 0000. This will produce a huge discontinuity in the analogue output. But I think that most digital recordine devices have hard limiters to avoid this. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <26e.c5726d.30bcf195 [at] aol.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:49:41 EST Subject: Re: Planning for audience demographics was: Actor snaps over phone ring In a message dated 28/11/05 18:26:05 GMT Standard Time, Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com writes: > Do your venues have just the minimum number of handicap spots required by law > or do you add more than required because you know your audience? This is > akin to having more toilets for females to shorten the long lines at > intermission. > > Do any theater planners think about these things? Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:58:27 EST Subject: Re: Planning for audience demographics was: Actor snaps over phone ring In a message dated 28/11/05 18:26:05 GMT Standard Time, Chip.Wood [at] motorola.com writes: > Do your venues have just the minimum number of handicap spots required by law > or do you add more than required because you know your audience? This is > akin to having more toilets for females to shorten the long lines at > intermission. Sorry for the false post. With a roughly 400 seat auditorium, we have four, reducing to two at 15 minutes to curtain. With only 20 spaces, it's the best we can do, given that there are also probably two shows in rehearsal as well. We reckon tham people with mobility problems are likely to arrive early. There is free public space nearby. The trouble is that there are many pubs and clubs within walking distance. > > Do any theater planners think about these things? Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: "William Auld" Subject: Where to get a paint sink in Chicago Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:12:17 -0600
So I'm in the Chicago area and am looking for a good paint sink for our shop. We finally haved moved our scene shop to a good facility and I am looking to upgrade. Does anyone know where I can pick up a good paint sink - not the utility sink you can buy at Home Depot but a real, honest to god, belongs in a scene shop, one or two tub, paint sink? What is the national company to get one from? (Can anyone look under theirs and see who made it? Thanks!)
 
Bill Auld
Technical Director
Lookingglass Theatre Company 


Make FREE PC-to-PC calls with MSN Messenger. Get it now! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:11:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Planning for audience demographics was: Actor snaps over phone ring From: Steve Larson Message-ID: In-Reply-To: I don't understand. Steve > From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com > Reply-To: "Stagecraft" > Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:58:27 EST > To: "Stagecraft" > Subject: Re: Planning for audience demographics was: Actor snaps over phone > ring The trouble is that there are many pubs > and clubs within walking distance. > Frank Wood ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:46:31 -0500 Subject: Electrical certification From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: OK. I've sent this out before but people are still needed. This is your chance to have an impact at the beginning of the process. Time to belly up to the bar folks... Thanks Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. << Your input needed The ETCP (Entertainment Technician Certification Program) needs input from Electricians for the proposed ETCP Electricians Certification and will be conducting a broad reaching survey t= o help perform the job analysis. This analysis will determine the common factors in what entertainment electricians do and the relative importance o= f those tasks. Many hundreds of responses are needed to ensure a fair and statistically significant survey. If you are an experienced electrician, in any entertainment field or venue, then please help by completing the survey. You can learn more and sign up b= y submitting your name and address at this page:- ETCP Electricians Survey (If the link does not work try: http://etcp.esta.org/survey.php or http://etcp.esta.org and click on =8CCalls For Action=B9 on the left.) >> ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 01:51:47 GMT Cc: ladesigners [at] juno.com Subject: Re: Where to get a paint sink in Chicago Message-Id: <20051128.175247.16402.25877 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> Dear Bill, Stainless Steel, Porcelain, or Fiberglass? Please remember to attach ins= ulation, or better yet, smear a lot of Tar, or, even better than that, H= enry's Waterproofing (for roofs) on the underside of the sink to cut dow= n the noise. Don't forget to install splash guards that will direct all = splashed liquids into the sink and not on the wall, on your clothes, or = on the floor where it could become a slip hazard. Relocating your shop's= MSDS Binder close to the sink, but in a water resistant location, is wi= se planning, as is co-locating your shop's eyewash fountain near this so= urce of temperature-adjustable water. A Hot Water hose bib next to your = Cold Water hose bib under the sink can also be useful if you ever do a s= how that requires a shallow pool on stage (or refilling the stage crew's= hot tub ). Adding a two to five horsepower garbage disposer under yo= ur paint sink is also a nice touch when you are disposing of those few t= ypes of congealed paint that can be disposed of legally down a drain. A= provision to tap the cold water line for a future icemaker would also s= how good planning. /s/ Richard ------------------------------ Message-ID: <000501c5f48e$fdfe1df0$a9d9be42 [at] D78YGH41> From: "Steve" Subject: Portable Staging Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:45:42 -0600 I was "volunteered", by my wife, to help my daughters' school purchase some portable staging. All they want is 4' X 8' platforms that are 6"-8" off the floor with a rack. Nothing fancy. Safe and economical. Easy to set up and take down. I know the usual vendors, Wenger.... Stage Right.... Who else sells staging? Thanks in advance, Steve Schepker Southeastern Louisiana University ------------------------------ Message-ID: <438BCC60.4030900 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:34:56 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile References: In-Reply-To: Jeffrey E. Salzberg wrote: >>We may go to reserved seating, for this and other reasons. > > > For an extreme example of "other reasons," Google "The Who" and "Riverfront > Coliseum". I'd walk on you to see 'The Who' Of course you also have to add a frigid night, only one door or set of doors opened, and an opening act doing sound check so the crowd thought they were missing something. Not really likely in a community theatre putting up 'Greater Tuna' Stuart ------------------------------ Message-ID: <438BCB9B.1E88E51B [at] cybercom.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:31:39 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: How does a truss break? References: "Cyr, Dale" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Paul > Schreiner > > > >Wow, Dale, what is it with you and truss this time of year? > > just lucky I guess ;) > > >Can you tell which side (bottom or top) of the chords separated first? > > couldn't tell which side, top or bottom, of the top chord that separated > first. > the truss was about 30 feet up at the time. > > >which means you're owed the beer. > > the road rigger with the show adamantly maintains _he_ gets the beer. > > his reasoning, which I've heard other riggers say: > aluminum is stronger in tension than compression; > if the the center point was low, > the top chords were in compression, > and they will fail first. > the way they will fail is by tearing (instead of buckling). > If the failure was by compression lengthwise, then the failure would likely a tube bending (probably where a C clamp had been over enthusiastically tightened ) out of round, then kinda folding over. ( Hard to describe with just words. ) The truss then bends/twists possibly pulling apart the opposite corner if there was a lot of energy available in the situation. In a straight tension failure, you fail either by fracture or stretching. Stretching will usually lead to a fracture, but the fracture looks more like a tear than a crack. Unstretched fractures usually happen at a crack or void in the metal, which are usually found in the welds. Stretch failures can happen anywhere, but usually where there is a preexisting dent or bend. Examine all the failure points, look at the way the metals bent, stretched, fractured, and or folded. Applying a bit of thought should lead to the correct conclusion. > > i would dismiss him immediately, > but others i also respect back up his story of what would happen if > the center point was low. > > seems counter intuitive to me... > > i am sorely tempted to take a coupla sections that have been taken > out of service and purposely break them, just to see _how_ > they fail... > > i'll need something really heavy... let's see... > i wonder if my friend will let me try to pick up > his Hummer... the wording of that request would be critical... A video documentation of this would be most appreciated, along with things like load cell measurements of actual force needed to break it, compared to label load information. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <438BD258.4020501 [at] fuse.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:00:24 -0500 From: Stuart Wheaton Subject: Re: Where to get a paint sink in Chicago References: In-Reply-To: William Auld wrote: Does anyone know where I can pick up a good paint > sink - not the utility sink you can buy at Home Depot but a real, honest > to god, belongs in a scene shop, one or two tub, paint sink? What is the > national company to get one from? (Can anyone look under theirs and see > who made it? Thanks!) Try a restaurant supply house, or a commercial surplus or liquidation house. A good stainless steel restaurant sink is hard to beat. But for paint, you don't need new if you can find one that's coming out of someplace. Stuart ------------------------------ Subject: Rental Computer Source Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:57:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: "James, Brian" I have a student group on campus doing an event where they may need to = have up to 50 computers available for the attendees. Any one know where I can send them to rent these machines? I have not looked on the internet yet, I am hoping to hear from some one = with first hand experience with a provider first. =20 Please feel free to contact me off list. Thanks for your time. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <438BD66D.2510F4F4 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 23:17:49 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Organization: The fuzz in the back of the fridge. Subject: Re: Rental Computer Source References: "James, Brian" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I have a student group on campus doing an event where they may need to have up to 50 computers available for the attendees. > > Any one know where I can send them to rent these machines? > > I have not looked on the internet yet, I am hoping to hear from some one with first hand experience with a provider first. > > Please feel free to contact me off list. > > Thanks for your time. There is a company called rent-a-PC that is in the Boston area. Check with your college AV department and IT department. They probably know who the local companies are that have decent gear and equipment. --Dale ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: From: James Feinberg Subject: Re: Portable Staging Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:35:27 -0800 I've had good luck with Midwest Folding Products from vendors such as Music123.com and DallasMidwest.com --James Feinberg Theatre Arts Program, University of San Diego On Nov 28, 2005, at 6:45 PM, Steve wrote: > I was "volunteered", by my wife, to help my daughters' school purchase > some > portable staging. > All they want is 4' X 8' platforms that are 6"-8" off the floor with a > rack. > Nothing fancy. > Safe and economical. Easy to set up and take down. > I know the usual vendors, Wenger.... Stage Right.... > Who else sells staging? > > Thanks in advance, > Steve Schepker > Southeastern Louisiana University ------------------------------ From: "Adam Berns" Subject: RE: Rental Computer Source Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:59:20 -0800 Message-ID: <000201c5f4a1$ae5141c0$6500a8c0 [at] adamhome> In-reply-to: I believe that Dell, HP, HPAQ (HP or Compaq, depending on your preference) all offer computer type rentals, either through them directly or a local VAR. 50 is a lot Most likely what they (I good consulting company would do) is get you one big server running VMWARE and a bunch of dumb terminals, or laptops. This solution should be very cheep and easy to do. Your campus IT staff should be able to help out. -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of James, Brian Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 7:57 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Rental Computer Source For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- I have a student group on campus doing an event where they may need to have up to 50 computers available for the attendees. Any one know where I can send them to rent these machines? I have not looked on the internet yet, I am hoping to hear from some one with first hand experience with a provider first. Please feel free to contact me off list. Thanks for your time. ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Actor snaps over ringing mobile Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 00:34:00 -0500 Message-ID: <000001c5f4a6$839c6360$6601a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: > Not really likely in a community theatre putting up 'Greater > Tuna' Which is why I called it an extreme example. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20051128224523.hy1yscg048csk0cg [at] www.email.arizona.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:45:23 -0700 From: Mark O'Brien Cc: stagecraft [at] jeffsalzberg.com Subject: Re: Actor snaps over ringing mobile References: In-Reply-To: Tonight, oddly enough on The Tonight Show, Someone's phone rang during the monologue. Leno grabbed the phone from the guy and said " Hello, he can't talk to you because he is _watching the Tonight Show!_" Mark-O Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music 520-621-7025 520-591-1803 Mobile ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #602 *****************************