Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 26381434; Wed, 04 Jan 2006 03:01:49 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #641 Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2006 03:00:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-Spam-Level: X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #641 1. Re: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? by "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" 2. Re: Electrics call by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 3. Re: Electrics call by Richard Bakos 4. Re: Electrics call by IAEG [at] aol.com 5. Garbled message by Michael Powers 6. Re: OT: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" 7. Brighter musicals by Paul Marsland 8. High School Theatre Program Needs Help by "Peter Scheu" 9. Re: Electrics call by Greg Bierly 10. Re: CAD Library for Theatre VERSION TWO by "Steven Haworth" 11. Re: High School Theatre Program Needs Help by Scott Parker 12. Power runs by Rick Clever 13. Now why haven't we tried this? by Herrick Goldman 14. Re: Power runs by Stephen Litterst 15. Re: Power runs by Jerry Durand 16. TSO question by Michael Heinicke 17. Re: Garbled message by Eric Rouse 18. Re: Power runs by 19. Re: Power runs by "Alf Sauve" 20. Re: Know your tools by Scott Parker 21. Re: Know your tools by Jerry Durand 22. Re: Power runs by "Paul Sanow" 23. Re: Power runs by Steve Bailey 24. Re: Operatic amplification, redux by CB 25. Re: Power runs by Stephen Litterst 26. Position available by "Waxler, Steve $waxlers$" 27. Re: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? by "Steve Jones" 28. Re: Now why haven't we tried this? by Seth Ricahardson 29. Re: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? by Jerry Durand 30. Re: Now why haven't we tried this? by Jerry Durand 31. Re: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? by "Dre Suchoski" 32. Detroit supplier by IAEG [at] aol.com 33. Herbal cigars, anyone? by "Dre Suchoski" 34. Re: Detroit supplier by Kevin Lowry 35. Re: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? by "Jon Lagerquist" 36. Re: Power runs by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 37. Re: Operatic amplification, redux by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 38. Re: Herbal cigars, anyone? by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 39. Re: Herbal cigars, anyone? by Jim Hyslop 40. Re: Herbal cigars, anyone? by Bill Sapsis 41. Re: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? by 42. VW FILE CONVERSION by Patrick McCreary 43. Re: Electrics call by Richard Bakos 44. Re: Herbal cigars, anyone? by "Maurice Moe Conn" 45. Re: Herbal cigars, anyone? by "Maurice Moe Conn" 46. Re: Power runs by seanrmc [at] earthlink.net 47. Re: Herbal cigars, anyone? by Jim Hyslop 48. Re: Herbal cigars, anyone? by "Alf Sauve" 49. Re: Now why haven't we tried this? by Greg Bierly *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply-To: From: "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" Subject: RE: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:14:17 -0500 Message-ID: <004201c61056$d6c67500$6701a8c0 [at] Dell> In-Reply-To: Get him a copy of the product liability lawsuit, also. > Also, I'm looking for a copy of the ACME catalog that > the Coyote orders from...I seem to remember one got > published about the time that Who Framed Roger Rabbit > came out... ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:42:10 GMT Subject: Re: Electrics call Message-Id: <20060103.044236.24084.93034 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> OK, like anything else in life, 'your mileage may very'. I am glad that = you had a good experience with the detainees that were working for you. = As for the Misdemeanor and Infraction defendants that I have sentenced (= NOT to 'Hard Time'), the 'Community Service' that they prefer IS cleanin= g up Starbucks cups from the sides of the of the freeways of California = in 72 degree weather, rather than being stuck inside a faceless building= sorting paper for a nonprofit organization. /s/ Richard ________________________________ ladesigners [at] juno.com wrote: > they are easier to handle than convicts and they follow directions = > more readily ________________________________ Speak for yourself, one of the most attentive crews I ever had work for = me were hard time convicts from a NY state prison. They would work "com= munity service" to reduce sentences. They figured loading in sound and = lighting for a policeman's benefit with a big name country star was WAY = better than working along side a road cleaning up trash. = Greg Bierly ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43BA7940.5010604 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 08:16:48 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Electrics call References:

In-Reply-To: I second this thought. I have done an outdoor gig where the crew was local county prisoners. The best were the managers doing time for DUI . As I always describe them "There is nothing like a crew with convictions and a Steward with a shotgun to keep things moving." You never had to worry about them straying to far from location. Rick Greg Bierly wrote: > Speak for yourself, one of the most attentive crews I ever had work > for me were hard time convicts from a NY state prison. They would > work "community service" to reduce sentences. They figured loading in > sound and lighting for a policeman's benefit with a big name country > star was WAY better than working along side a road cleaning up trash. > They were VERY polite and addressed me as "sir" even though I was 23 > at the time and many of them were in their 40's and 50's. -- Richard Bakos President Studio One Inc. 25833 State Road 2 South Bend, In 46619-4736 VOICE 574-232-9084 FAX 574-232-2220 Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com www.StudioOnesb.com ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <219.1032c785.30ebd582 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:26:26 EST Subject: Re: Electrics call In a message dated 1/3/06 8:20:31 AM, Rick [at] StudioOneSB.com writes: << a Steward with a shotgun to keep things moving." >> i think all crews, , incarcerated or not should have a Steward with a shotgun to keep things moving, don't you ? : - ) very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Message-ID: <58f67b0f0601030539i33979c08w9d0d2fb47dca72c8 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 07:39:42 -0600 From: Michael Powers Subject: Garbled message Eric Rouse wrote: <> Eric, Would you be kind enough to repost your message in plain text so those of us in digest mode would be able to share?? TIA Michael Michael Powers Director of Operations Central Lighting & Equipment 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 West Des Moines Iowa 50265 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 Fax 515-277-2295 515-557-0178 cell michael [at] clelights.com ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:55:02 GMT Subject: Re: OT: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? Message-Id: <20060103.055507.24084.93152 [at] webmail30.lax.untd.com> Dear Michael, Why don't just write Warner Brothers Consumer Products, and ask them to = tell you which one of their licensees, if any, handles these items? Warner Brothers Consumer Products 4000 Warner Blvd, Burbank, CA 91522. = /s/ Richard __________________________ Ok, here's a totally off the wall request. A buddy of mine who is a TD is a huge Wile E. Coyote fan and will be turning 40 this year. I'd love to get him a set of the blueprints that the SuperGenius uses in his attempts to catch dinner (the Roadrunner and Bugs and the sheep). My Google attempts have failed and so have other inquiries. I figure if anyone has them, someone in this group would. So, anyone know where to find them? Also, I'm looking for a copy of the ACME catalog that the Coyote orders from...I seem to remember one got published about the time that Who Framed Roger Rabbit came out... Thanks! Michael Sorensen / ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060103142511.64768.qmail [at] web52210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 06:25:11 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Marsland Subject: Brighter musicals In-Reply-To: > Does all this make the show better? No, not > necessarily. But they sure do > give the lighting designer a chance to write a whole > lot of cues, and at a > certain point audiences expect it. It's sort of the > theme park mentality > "More is not enough". > > And of course, the extravagance provides ample > employment for legions of our > friends - assuming the show is a hit, which they > rarely are. > > - John McKernon I think even the non-hits generate plenty of opportunity, as long as there are plenty of them! Paul __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Reply-To: From: "Peter Scheu" Subject: High School Theatre Program Needs Help Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:37:35 -0500 Organization: Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. Message-ID: WARNING - longish post... A bit OT, but a cause somewhat close to my heart... A high school drama program in Beloit, WI (Kristi - I assume you know = where this is?) is facing a challenge convincing the PTB that its technical systems need to be replaced after being condemned last year. They are attempting to convince the school board that the cost is worth it, and = are raising $120,000 themselves to get the process started. Here's a link to a local newspaper article: http://www.beloitdailynews.com/articles/2005/12/23/news/122305news07.txt I have corresponded with Greg Wallendal, and he is looking for anecdotes regarding how high school performing arts and music programs affected peoples' lives in an effort to convince the school board that replacing = a full stage counterweight system with 7 dead hung sets just doesn't cut = it. As he put it: >Part of what we are faced with now in our fundraising efforts=20 >is convincing people (both school board and the public) that=20 >we need this facility restored to its original condition in=20 >order to service the wide variety of functions this auditorium=20 >is used for (40 different groups use it for student=20 >assemblies, plays, musicals, concerts, dance recitals, and=20 >pageants each year). However, many of these groups come and=20 >use our stage now and see lights and curtains (dead hung) and=20 >think the stage is just fine even though we have no=20 >accoustical ceilings, teasers, or legs hanging above. People=20 >who are familiar with the stage look up and see its nakedness,=20 >but the average person sees nothing wrong. =20 I remember what a difference joining the drama club in my own high = school in Nyack, NY, made in my life. Not only did it start a long and fulfilling professional career, it also helped turn a shy and somewhat introverted freshman kid into the senior class' "Most Dramatic" student in the class yearbook (all too many years ago!).=20 So if you're willing to share your personal story, or give him some "ammunition", I'm sure he'd appreciate it. You can e-mail Greg Wallendal at: gwallend [at] sdb.k12.wi.us Thanks. Peter Scheu Scheu Consulting Services, Inc. www.scheuconsulting.com Tel: 315.422.9984 fax: 413.513.4966 ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <1f57b325da5fb0614b8b28e909c87eaf [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Electrics call Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:52:49 -0500 > i think all crews, , incarcerated or not should have a Steward with a > shotgun > to keep things moving, > > don't you ? Absolutely! Working in a High School with zero tolerance makes things a little tricky but we did make a very realistic double barrel shotgun for the fall play. The security officer and administration were notified of the prop, mmm... maybe a swap for the real thing could be a motivator.... I'll have to think about that one. Happy New Year all. Hope you have all recovered from your New Years gigs or partying (or combination of both). Back to the grindstone. Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ Subject: RE: CAD Library for Theatre VERSION TWO Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:12:32 -0600 Message-ID: <5D5187063B6B8B46A99E8C0D36E0EB097B5F3D [at] danube.river.idm.com> From: "Steven Haworth" Thanks, Patrick. I've added your link to my list of CAD symbol links - I've got 5 sites = now of CAD symbol links reference on my page (under the Software CAD = column). - Steven (sjh [at] idm.com) --------------------------- http://www.stagelights.info ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980601030738n34f1514w1cdeae4b2d71d0b5 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 10:38:01 -0500 From: Scott Parker Cc: peter [at] scheuconsulting.com Subject: Re: High School Theatre Program Needs Help In-Reply-To: References: Peter, I hope you don't mind, but I've taken the liberty of re-posting your note to the HS Tech mailing list. www.hstech.org, http://www.hstech.org/maillist/maillist.htm Also, not a bit OT! IMHO. Scott On 1/3/06, Peter Scheu wrote: > A bit OT, but a cause somewhat close to my heart... > > A high school drama program in Beloit, WI (Kristi - I assume you know whe= re > this is?) is facing a challenge convincing the PTB that its technical > systems need to be replaced after being condemned last year. -- Take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43BA9AE2.5030908 [at] sbcglobal.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:40:18 -0500 From: Rick Clever Subject: Power runs References: In-Reply-To: I apoligize in advance if this had been discussed before but I tried to check the archives and they wouldn't work for me. I am looking at putting together a couple of runs with four boxes on the end and a run with two boxes spread through it for powering stand lights. What kind of cable should I use? These will primarily be used indoors in a controlled enviroment, but they could end up being used outdoors as well. Thank you for your help. Rick Clever Clever Sound Solutions Toledo, Oh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:54:39 -0500 Subject: Now why haven't we tried this? From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: -- Herrick Goldman Lighting Designer, NYC www.HGLightingDesign.com 917-797-3624 "To the scores of silent alchemists who wreak their joy in darkness and in light bringing magic to life, we bow most humbly. "-CDS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:53:22 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Power runs In-reply-to: Message-id: <43BA9DF2.9080705 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References:

Rick Clever wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > I apoligize in advance if this had been discussed before but I tried to > check the archives and they wouldn't work for me. I am looking at > putting together a couple of runs with four boxes on the end and a run > with two boxes spread through it for powering stand lights. What kind > of cable should I use? These will primarily be used indoors in a > controlled enviroment, but they could end up being used outdoors as > well. Thank you for your help. Lex Products makes a UL-listed cable in this fashion. It's called the "E-string" and comes in a variety of lengths and outlet configurations. Molded construction and much easier than making your own. Cheaper, too once you factor in your time to construct the d*mn thing. Product page here: http://www.lexproducts.com/catalog/cableAssemblies/eString.htm I purchased mine through Production Advantage, although I can't find it in their price list right now. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References:

Message-Id: From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Power runs Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 08:03:19 -0800 On Jan 3, 2006, at 7:53 AM, Stephen Litterst wrote: > Product page here: http://www.lexproducts.com/catalog/ > cableAssemblies/eString.htm > > I purchased mine through Production Advantage, although I can't > find it in their price list right now. B & H Photo has them. $50 for the 25' one. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060103170216.80820.qmail [at] web81504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 09:02:16 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: TSO question Now for a question about Trans Siberian Orchestra that doesn't involve a guy with too much time to work on his house. When I saw the show just before Christmas, I noticed that they brought several sections of truss down almost to the deck when they shot off any pyro that produced sparks. To me it seemed like they might have been using the truss as a protective barrier for the musicians, but I couldn't see anything that would have kept sparks from just going through the truss. Has anyone seen it up close to know if there is any barrier or if it is just as a psychological protection for the musicians? Or is it just a case of how I am interpreting the designers intentions? Just curious, Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41f080680601030924m35c6ac9fie88a8f8ceff07434 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:24:35 -0500 From: Eric Rouse Subject: Re: Garbled message In-Reply-To: References: Sorry. I am using plain text. I am at a loss as to what the problem is. I just tried switching from UTF-8 to default text. Maybe that will help. Eric On 1/3/06, Michael Powers wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Eric Rouse wrote: > > <> > > Eric, > > Would you be kind enough to repost your message in plain text so > those of us in digest mode would be able to share?? TIA > > Michael > > Michael Powers > Director of Operations > Central Lighting & Equipment > 1720 Fuller Rd. Suite 150 > West Des Moines Iowa 50265 > 515-277-4190 877-977-4190 > Fax 515-277-2295 > 515-557-0178 cell > michael [at] clelights.com > -- Eric Rouse TD-Penn State University State College, PA ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:48:02 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Power runs Reply-to: In-Reply-To: References:

On 10:53:22 am 01/03/06 Stephen Litterst wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see /> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Rick Clever wrote: > > --------------------------------------------------- > > I apoligize in advance if this had been discussed before but I > > tried to check the archives and they wouldn't work for me. I am > > looking at putting together a couple of runs with four boxes on > > the end and a run with two boxes spread through it for powering > > stand lights. What kind of cable should I use? These will > > primarily be used indoors in a controlled enviroment, but they > > could end up being used outdoors as well. Thank you for your help. > > Lex Products makes a UL-listed cable in this fashion. It's called > the "E-string" and comes in a variety of lengths and outlet > configurations. Molded construction and much easier than making your > own. Cheaper, too once you factor in your time to construct the d*mn > thing. > > Product page here: > http://www.lexproducts.com/catalog/cableAssemblies/eString.htm > > I purchased mine through Production Advantage, although I can't find > it in their price list right now. > If you need one *right now* and don't mind it being yellow and black colored, you can buy them at Home Despot in the US. I'm using one of them right now in my christmas light display. The led in each outlet is a particularly nice touch when trying to find it in the dark. --Dale ------------------------------ Message-ID: <013701c6108f$629e0a10$6501a8c0 [at] ALFOFFICE> Reply-To: "Alf Sauve" From: "Alf Sauve" References:

Subject: Re: Power runs Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:32:30 -0500 12/3 SOOW. Unfortunately, standard conduit strain relief's aren't too good because they work loose. If at all possible you should use solid metal cases (e.g., Bud) with appropriate snap in type strain relief's that will take the flexing. But as others have pointed out, by the time you buy all the parts and spend the labor to assemble, it would be cheaper to buy commercially made ones. Alf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Clever" To: "Stagecraft" Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 10:40 AM Subject: Power runs > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > I apoligize in advance if this had been discussed before but I tried to > check the archives and they wouldn't work for me. I am looking at putting > together a couple of runs with four boxes on the end and a run with two > boxes spread through it for powering stand lights. What kind of cable > should I use? These will primarily be used indoors in a controlled > enviroment, but they could end up being used outdoors as well. Thank you > for your help. > > Rick Clever > Clever Sound Solutions > Toledo, Oh > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <90d9c9980601031034j2af6c42ck443c28aacc77c267 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:34:19 -0500 From: Scott Parker Subject: Re: Know your tools In-Reply-To: References:

First day back at work.... Thanks Mark; I needed that! Scott On 1/3/06, Mark O'Brien wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Stolen from the Chicago Craigslist... > > For men who think they know about tools: > > 1. DRILL PRESS: A tall upright machine useful for suddenly snatching flat > metal bar stock out of your hands so that it smacks you in the chest > and flings > your beer across the room, splattering itagainst that freshly painted par= t you > were drying. -- Take care, Scott =09Scott C. Parker =09Professor/Technical Director =09Dept. of Performing Arts =09Dyson College of Arts and Sciences [at] Pace University =09Office/shipping: 41 Park Row, 1205F =09Mailing: 1 Pace Plaza =09New York, NY 10038 =09212-346-1423 Fax: 914-989-8425 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060103103655.01fe4dd8 [at] interstellar.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 10:44:25 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Know your tools In-Reply-To: References:

At 10:34 AM 1/3/2006, you wrote: >First day back at work.... Thanks Mark; I needed that! >Scott Over the weekend I modified a hydraulic jack from an inexpensive shop press to add a pressure gauge. I was careful to tie everything down while drilling and that went well. But...when it was all re-assembled and leak tested, I realized that I hadn't written down the ID of the jack cylinder after I measured it. Without that the gauge is sort of useless. Oh well, drain the oil and take it back apart to measure it. When you're careful about one part, you're sure to forget another. At least nothing flew across the room and the plumbing to get from the jack to the gauge held up to 6000 psi without a problem. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Power runs Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:19:13 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Paul Sanow" > Rick Clever wrote: > > --------------------------------------------------- > > I apoligize in advance if this had been discussed before=20 > but I tried to=20 > > check the archives and they wouldn't work for me. I am looking at=20 > > putting together a couple of runs with four boxes on the=20 > end and a run=20 > > with two boxes spread through it for powering stand lights.=20 > What kind=20 > > of cable should I use? These will primarily be used indoors in a=20 > > controlled enviroment, but they could end up being used outdoors as=20 > > well. Thank you for your help. >=20 > Lex Products makes a UL-listed cable in this fashion. It's=20 > called the=20 > "E-string" and comes in a variety of lengths and outlet=20 > configurations. Molded construction and much easier than making your=20 > own. Cheaper, too once you factor in your time to construct the d*mn=20 > thing. >=20 > Product page here:=20 > http://www.lexproducts.com/catalog/cableAssemblies/eString.htm >=20 > I purchased mine through Production Advantage, although I can't find=20 > it in their price list right now. There is another version that Lex makes specifically for orchestra = lighting applications: http://www.lexproducts.com/catalog/cableAssemblies/lex-orch1.htm If you are dead-set on making your own, you should be using SO or = perhaps SJO. Check your code. Both are available from your better lighting dealers. Regards, Paul *********************************************************** Paul Sanow psanow [at] vls.com Technical Sales www.vincentlighting.com Vincent Lighting Systems 1420 Jamike Ln. #2 Erlanger, KY 41018 (859) 525-2000 x211 FAX (859) 525-2050 *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Message-ID: From: Steve Bailey Subject: RE: Power runs Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:27:07 -0500 -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Litterst [mailto:slitterst [at] ithaca.edu] Rick Clever wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > I apoligize in advance if this had been discussed before but I tried > to > check the archives and they wouldn't work for me. I am looking at > putting together a couple of runs with four boxes on the end and a run > with two boxes spread through it for powering stand lights. What kind > of cable should I use? These will primarily be used indoors in a > controlled enviroment, but they could end up being used outdoors as > well. Thank you for your help. Lex Products makes a UL-listed cable in this fashion. It's called the "E-string" and comes in a variety of lengths and outlet configurations. Molded construction and much easier than making your own. Cheaper, too once you factor in your time to construct the d*mn thing. Product page here: http://www.lexproducts.com/catalog/cableAssemblies/eString.htm I purchased mine through Production Advantage, although I can't find it in their price list right now. Steve L. Steve, a question. How well do they work for orchestra's ?. Reason I ask, is I don't like the design of the LEX units with an outlet every 8 ft. The units I built have a handy box at the end of a 3ft or 6ft. cable w/ male Edison plug. The handy box has a duplex receptacle and a feed thru pigtail with a 3rd Edison connector. This gives me 2 receptacles and a 3rd as needed for a light or for daisy'ing a 2nd cord. The spacing works well for adjacent music stands. I generally don't see music stands on an orchestra pit at 8 ft. spacing. My units - while tailored to our pit w/ built in receptacles, seems more appropriate for the pit as well as musicians on risers, etc... Which is why I never purchased the LEX units. 2 major advantages to the LEX units though, (besides initial cost savings of not paying labor to build custom): 1) Molded receptacle require a lot less maintenance then metal handy boxes 2) The LED model is a great indicator that the circuit is hot and working. One excellent product that I recently started using is molded rubber receptacle boxes from Woodhead - www. Woodhead.com. The receptacle boxes are not cheap, but solve the maintenance issues (screws. Strain relief's and cover plates working loose). I was also told that this style receptacle box "is illegal for NYC use". Never verified, but perhaps someone more learned then myself knows. Steve Bailey Brooklyn College ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060103131009.00cfdd40 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:10:09 From: CB Subject: Re: Operatic amplification, redux > I should bitterly resent >having a sound mixer taking the final decision. It would be a resignation matter. > Bitter resentment is what most MD's regard us skweeks with anyways, so there's no skin off my nose. Unfortunately, I've almost always been the second and final person to deal with MD issues. >> In today's larger houses, sometimes the technical and electrical >> amplification is not only cheaper, but actually a far better solution. >Cheaper, maybe; better, indeed any sort of a solution, no. Yes, Frank, yes. I know that it makes you feel better to think that correcting the room is always better than amplification (trust me, if I had my choices...) but the fact of the matter is that humans have only so much energy that they can impart into the environment, and the good humans are getting so much more rare these days. Add to that that quite a few halls are doing more than one duty nowadays, and designing a hall to solve your problems creates problems for the next guy down the line. We may not like it much, but in today's situations, the electronic solution tends to be the best one more often than not. It's best not to let one's wishful thinking get in the way of one's critical thinking. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:42:50 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Power runs In-reply-to: Message-id: <43BAD3BA.4030103 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Steve Bailey wrote: > --------------------------------------------------- > Steve, a question. How well do they work for orchestra's ?. > > Reason I ask, is I don't like the design of the LEX units with an outlet every 8 ft. The units I built have a handy box at the end of a 3ft or 6ft. cable w/ male Edison plug. The handy box has a duplex receptacle and a feed thru pigtail with a 3rd Edison connector. This gives me 2 receptacles and a 3rd as needed for a light or for daisy'ing a 2nd cord. The spacing works well for adjacent music stands. I generally don't see music stands on an orchestra pit at 8 ft. spacing. My units - while tailored to our pit w/ built in receptacles, seems more appropriate for the pit as well as musicians on risers, etc... Which is why I never purchased the LEX units. > Well, as Paul Sanow pointed out, LEX does make one with a smaller spacing. I bought mine before that was released, and would probably buy the Orchestra version today. However, the 8' versions work fine for my orchestra pits. I spent three years tracking pit layouts here trying to design a custom cable that would work. As it works out, I can make the 8' spacing work fine with the addition of a couple of small zip-cord extension cords. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Subject: Position available Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:19:34 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Waxler, Steve $waxlers$" One of our Set Design Faculty is retiring at the end of this academic year and we have started a search to fill the position. Please see job announcement below. Steve Waxler=20 Technical Director=20 College Conservatory of Music=20 University of Cincinnati=20 waxlers [at] uc.edu http://www.ccm.uc.edu/tdp/=20 513 556-3709 University of Cincinnati College-Conservatory of Music Faculty Position in Scenic Design/ Properties POSITION: The University of Cincinnati College-Conservatory of Music seeks a full-time, tenure-track scenic designer to join its Theatre Design and Production (TD&P) Department. There are two full time positions in Scenic Design. This position will fill a vacancy created by a retirement. TD&P has a full-time faculty of ten and six professional staff. APPOINTMENT: Appointment is expected to be at the rank of Assistant Professor and will be effective September 1, 2006. Full-time faculty appointments at the University of Cincinnati run from September 1 - June 30, and the initial appointment is usually for a period of three years. JOB DESCRIPTION: The Theatre Design and Production (TD&P) Department at CCM is part of the larger Division of Opera, Musical Theatre, Drama, and Arts Administration (OMDA). As such, TD&P not only offers undergraduate (BFA) and graduate (MFA) training to its own majors but also produces a large and ambitious production season for the Departments of Opera, Musical Theatre and Drama. The division produces a main stage season of two operas, two musicals and two dramas in two venues: a recently refurbished traditional proscenium house and the other a modified thrust. In addition, the division also produces six fully supported workshop productions in a third new space, a highly flexible and fully equipped studio theatre. The large, professionally equipped scene shop has a professional staff of three including a full time scenic artist. The large, on-site properties stock is an integral part of our operations.=20 The new faculty member's primary teaching responsibilities on the undergraduate and graduate level may include but will not be limited to: a lecture style survey course in theatrical design; a lecture style survey course in architecture & furniture styles and ornament; an introductory level scenic design course; drafting [all levels; hand and CAD]; team teach and supervise an applied, production related stage properties course; and mentoring/supervising student designers on workshop and main stage productions. Primary non-teaching responsibilities will include: designing 1-3 drama, musical, or opera productions a year; sharing the recruiting. advising and mentoring of 8-10 undergraduate and 2-4 graduate scenic design students; sharing the organization and supervision of student prop and scenic crews; assistance in maintaining the prop stock; overseeing an active property rental business; and direct involvement with community outreach activities related to the enhancement and growth of the department and division. The University of Cincinnati is the 10th largest research institution in the country, and The New York Times has called CCM "one of the nation's leading conservatories." The college has recently completed a 100 million-dollar expansion and renovation of its physical plant. This has provided CCM with one of the most comprehensive arts training facilities in the United States. Its programs in opera and musical theatre, in particular, are nationally known, and the division has approximately 55 on its faculty and staff. CCM's music and theatre programs are accredited by NASM and NAST, and CCM is also a member of U/RTA and USITT. More information about TD&P and CCM can be found at: http://www.ccm.uc.edu/tdp/. REQUIREMENTS: Candidates must hold the MFA in Scenic Design and/or equivalent professional experience and show a record of successful teaching. Candidates must have experience and a strong dedication to teaching and advising. Strong interpersonal and communication skills are required. USA membership is desirable but not required. Opportunities for short-term professional leave can be arranged. Send cover letter, resume (including professional achievements and record of recent teaching experience), and a sampling of images showing design experience, property craft capabilities, sample syllabi, and 3 letters of recommendation to:=20 Scenic Design Search Committee c/o R. Terrell Finney University of Cincinnati P.O.Box 210003 Cincinnati, OH 45221-0003 Evaluation of files will begin February 15, 2006, but applications will accepted until the position is filled. ------------------------------ From: "Steve Jones" Subject: RE: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 14:46:48 -0600 Organization: Plaza Theatre In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, here's something close. However, they are sold out. But these folks may be able to help find something else. Depends on how deep you want to reach into that pocket. http://www.animationartwork.com/artwork/sku5022 ************************************* Steve Jones, Director Plaza Theatre 115 E. Main Street Glasgow, KY 42141 Voice: (270) 361-2101 Fax: (270) 834-8147 http://www.glasgowplazatheatre.org The Spencers-Theatre of Illusion Sunday, February 12, 2006, 7:00 PM An Evening With Groucho Saturday, April 22, 2006, 7:00 PM -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Michael Sorensen Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:57 AM To: Stagecraft Subject: OT: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Ok, here's a totally off the wall request. A buddy of mine who is a TD is a huge Wile E. Coyote fan and will be turning 40 this year. I'd love to get him a set of the blueprints that the SuperGenius uses in his attempts to catch dinner (the Roadrunner and Bugs and the sheep). My Google attempts have failed and so have other inquiries. I figure if anyone has them, someone in this group would. So, anyone know where to find them? Also, I'm looking for a copy of the ACME catalog that the Coyote orders from...I seem to remember one got published about the time that Who Framed Roger Rabbit came out... Thanks! Michael Sorensen "It's all just a scam, isn't it? You get those actors to put on a show, just so you can have a good reason to play with your toys." --Christopher Stasheff, "A Slight Detour" Proton Lighting and Video "We positively charge up your show!" Phone: 520-232-3540 Email: chaoscon666 [at] yahoo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: <8D484FCB-0758-44E5-959E-E8D703AD54D7 [at] adelphia.net> From: Seth Ricahardson Subject: Re: Now why haven't we tried this? Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 15:54:00 -0500 On Jan 3, 2006, at 10:54 AM, Herrick Goldman wrote: > > > From the Silly Putty Store 250lb is $3,849.50 + tax + shipping Seth Richardson ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060103125959.01fc3638 [at] interstellar.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:00:33 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? In-Reply-To: References:

At 12:46 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote: >Well, here's something close. However, they are sold out. But these folks >may be able to help find something else. Depends on how deep you want to >reach into that pocket. > >http://www.animationartwork.com/artwork/sku5022 Depending on budget, you could look into some place like this http://www.greatamericanink.com/wb.php?&title=wile+runner for the original animation cells -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060103130439.01fccec0 [at] interstellar.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 13:05:02 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Now why haven't we tried this? In-Reply-To: References:

At 12:54 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote: > From the Silly Putty Store 250lb is $3,849.50 + tax + shipping From the Silly Putty Store: "Not intended for use as ear plugs." Should I even ask who tried? -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 16:42:41 -0500 Message-ID: <071168C3EF37C34580207EB53478A0F7154B26 [at] stage.OTC.local> From: "Dre Suchoski" If you're friends with a good scenic you might be able to have something custom made, if you have the time. Dre -----Original Message----- From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Durand Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 4:01 PM To: Stagecraft Subject: Re: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- At 12:46 PM 1/3/2006, you wrote: >Well, here's something close. However, they are sold out. But these=20 >folks may be able to help find something else. Depends on how deep you >want to reach into that pocket. > >http://www.animationartwork.com/artwork/sku5022 Depending on budget, you could look into some place like this http://www.greatamericanink.com/wb.php?&title=3Dwile+runner for the original animation cells -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <210.10a1b76c.30ec5b7e [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:58:06 EST Subject: Detroit supplier friends, i am looking for a lighting supplier, with movers in the Detroit area for a small rental I need to do in the northern suburbs of Detroit in February. ( Empasis SMALL ) please respond off list, , , to iaeg [at] aol.com very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Subject: Herbal cigars, anyone? Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 18:01:07 -0500 Message-ID: <071168C3EF37C34580207EB53478A0F7154B3E [at] stage.OTC.local> From: "Dre Suchoski" Hello folks! In an upcoming production we need to smoke several cigars, and our county has a law forbidding lit tobacco products indoors. I have tried gutting cheap cigars (with varied results), but the outside wrapping is still made of tobacco leaf. In an article from the movie Daredevil I read that they used herbal cigars, but not where they got them from nor how much they cost. Does anyone have any ideas for locating these, also that won't break the bank? I have also posted this request on prop forum sites, but the more the merrier. Thanks! Dre Suchoski, Properties Supervisor/Artisan Olney Theatre Center 2001 Olney Sandy Spring Road Olney, MD 20832 shop: 301.924.4485 x122 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <5a73bd8d0601031518lf2e82f2sd6525dfd524801bf [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:18:03 -0600 From: Kevin Lowry Subject: Re: Detroit supplier In-Reply-To: References: Vincent Lighting has a Detroit office, there is also Pegasus theatrical either should be able to help Kevin Lowry On 1/3/06, IAEG [at] aol.com wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > friends, i am looking for a lighting supplier, with movers in the Detroi= t > area for a small rental I need to do in the northern suburbs of Detroit i= n > February. ( Empasis SMALL ) > > please respond off list, , , to iaeg [at] aol.com > > > very best, > > Keith Arsenault > > IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group > Tampa, Florida > ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:53:03 -0800 Subject: Re: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <43BA9DDF.32568.166FA2D9 [at] localhost> In-reply-to: They don't sell anything that I can tell, but here is the ACME catalog. http://home.nc.rr.com/tuco/looney/acme/acme.html Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <19c.42db5759.30ec6a69 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:01:45 EST Subject: Re: Power runs In a message dated 03/01/06 19:24:36 GMT Standard Time, Bailey [at] BrooklynCenter.com writes: > Steve, a question. How well do they work for orchestra's ?. > > Reason I ask, is I don't like the design of the LEX units with an outlet > every 8 ft. The units I built have a handy box at the end of a 3ft or 6ft. > cable w/ male Edison plug. The handy box has a duplex receptacle and a feed > thru pigtail with a 3rd Edison connector. This gives me 2 receptacles and a > 3rd as needed for a light or for daisy'ing a 2nd cord. The spacing works > well for adjacent music stands. I generally don't see music stands on an > orchestra pit at 8 ft. spacing. My units - while tailored to our pit w/ > built in receptacles, seems more appropriate for the pit as well as musicians > on risers, etc.. Orchrstra lights can be the very devil. The last opera I lit, they came from the local authority, on loan. It took me most of a morning to unsnarl the cables, and lay thm out. Then most of the afternoon was spent in mending faulty plugs and sockets. The evening was uneventful, apart from persuading the harpsichord continuo not to shine his Anglepoise at the stage. I know they came at the right price, but I reckon we should have charged for my time and trouble spent in making the damn things work. I know that opera has horrid costs, but it would have been better to hire the stands and lights in from a reputable company. OK, we're an amateur house, and this company had just hired the theatre. My work pattern allowed me to give my time for free. Just imagine this situation in a Union house. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2ca.148941a.30ec6fd7 [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:24:55 EST Subject: Re: Operatic amplification, redux In a message dated 03/01/06 19:34:47 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >> In today's larger houses, sometimes the technical and electrical > >> amplification is not only cheaper, but actually a far better solution. > >Cheaper, maybe; better, indeed any sort of a solution, no. > > Yes, Frank, yes. I know that it makes you feel better to think that > correcting the room is always better than amplification (trust me, if I had > my choices...) but the fact of the matter is that humans have only so much > energy that they can impart into the environment, and the good humans are > getting so much more rare these days. In theory, correcting the room is a 'fit and forget' solution. > Add to that that quite a few halls > are doing more than one duty nowadays, and designing a hall to solve your > problems creates problems for the next guy down the line. We may not like > it much, but in today's situations, the electronic solution tends to be the > best one more often than not. I didn't say that it wasn't, and multi-purpose halls are difficult. To look at only one part of the problem, different gross reverberation times are best for different presentations. Careful design might lead to a switch on the panel, labelled 'concert hall', 'chamber music', 'opera', 'theatre', and so on. I think it could be done. That said, I still believe that having a sound mixer able to override the MD is wrong. > It's best not to let one's wishful thinking get in the way of one's > critical thinking. A lot of it is a question of time. Ideally, the MD should relinquish his baton to the AMD for a full rehearsal, and prowl the theatre, listening hard. Mutatis mutandis, this is what I do as an LD, looking for problems and devising solutions. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2db.3b813d.30ec719b [at] aol.com> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:32:27 EST Subject: Re: Herbal cigars, anyone? In a message dated 03/01/06 22:59:10 GMT Standard Time, DSuchoski [at] olneytheatre.org writes: > In an upcoming production we need to smoke several cigars, and our > county has a law forbidding lit tobacco products indoors. I see but two solutions. One, write them out of the script. This may get you in problems with the author and/or the copyright owner. The second is more drastic: shoot your county legislature. This might prove cheaper. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43BB2B4F.4040309 [at] dreampossible.ca> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:56:31 -0500 From: Jim Hyslop Organization: Dreampossible Inc. Subject: Re: Herbal cigars, anyone? References: In-Reply-To: Dre Suchoski wrote: > In an upcoming production we need to smoke several cigars, and our > county has a law forbidding lit tobacco products indoors. I have > tried gutting cheap cigars (with varied results), but the outside > wrapping is still made of tobacco leaf. In an article from the movie > Daredevil I read that they used herbal cigars, but not where they got > them from nor how much they cost. Does anyone have any ideas for > locating these, also that won't break the bank? I have also posted > this request on prop forum sites, but the more the merrier. Thanks! For a production we did a few years ago, we got some herbal cigarettes at a local health food store. I wasn't on the props team, so I've no idea how much they cost, nor whether there were cigars available. The drawback with herbal cigarettes is that they smell a *lot* like marijuana, and we had several complaints from the audience. For the outside wrapping, you could use a tissue paper coloured with food colouring. -- Jim Hyslop ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:09:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Herbal cigars, anyone? From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Complaints that they thought there was grass being smoked onstage or that no one was sharing? But what would I know? I never inhaled. Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 1/3/06 8:56 PM, "Jim Hyslop" wrote: > The drawback with herbal cigarettes is that they smell a *lot* like > marijuana, and we had several complaints from the audience. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <3a31625e08aec23a32d89bef6405fe64 [at] cybercom.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:09:51 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Wile E. Coyote blueprints? Reply-to: In-Reply-To: References: On 6:14:17 am 01/03/06 "Jeffrey E. Salzberg" wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see /> > --------------------------------------------------- > > Get him a copy of the product liability lawsuit, also. > > > > > Also, I'm looking for a copy of the ACME catalog that > > the Coyote orders from...I seem to remember one got > > published about the time that Who Framed Roger Rabbit > > came out... > Coyote versus Acme. Funny little book. Now that you have reminded me, I'm oging to have to search it out and read again. As for the blueprints, I think your best bet is to freeze-frame the cartoon and recreate it yourself. --Dale ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:25:32 -0500 From: Patrick McCreary Subject: VW FILE CONVERSION In-reply-to: Message-id: <5.2.1.1.1.20060103212435.01dc60c8 [at] incoming.verizon.net> I have a couple of VW 11 files I need converted back to 9.5 - anyone willing? Patrick G. Patrick McCreary Ass't. Professor - Technical Director Department of Theater and Dance Indiana University of Pennsylvania Indiana, PA 15701 (Office) 724-357-2644 (Home) 724-349-4309 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43BB3768.6050502 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 21:48:08 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Electrics call References:

Message-Id: <84c2e6a946097d1977a0a13eff124b0c [at] dejazzd.com> From: Greg Bierly Subject: Re: Now why haven't we tried this? Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:35:20 -0500 > "Not intended for use as ear plugs." > Should I even ask who tried? Actually... As a child I was plagued with ear infections. Being on the swim team the pediatrician recommended I use silly putty as ear plugs and did so for 6 years or so (age 8-14) without any ill effects.... yet. Anyone know a "good" lawyer ;-) Greg Bierly Technical Director Hempfield HS ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #641 *****************************