Return-Path: X-Scanned-By: RAE MPP/Clamd http://raeinternet.com/mpp X-Scanned-By: This message was scanned by MPP Lite Edition (www.messagepartners.com)! X-Real-To: stagecraftlist [at] theatrical.net Received: by prxy.net (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.2.10) with PIPE id 26430021; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 03:03:49 -0800 X-ListServer: CommuniGate Pro LIST 4.2.10 List-Unsubscribe: List-ID: Message-ID: From: "Stagecraft" Sender: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Precedence: list Subject: Stagecraft Digest #643 Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 03:01:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.0.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on prxy.net X-TFF-CGPSA-Version: 1.4f2 X-prxy-Spam-Filter: Scanned For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Stagecraft Digest, Issue #643 1. Genie, JLG, or? by "Brian Ridolfo" 2. Re: Genie, JLG, or? by IAEG [at] aol.com 3. Re: Genie, JLG, or? by "Matthew Breton" 4. Re: Garbled message by Eric Rouse 5. Location, Location, Location by Theatre Safety Programs 6. Re: Garbled message by "Paul Schreiner" 7. Re: Know your tools by "Curtis L. Mortimore" 8. Re: Genie, JLG, or? by Michael Heinicke 9. Re: Genie, JLG, or? by "Brian Ridolfo" 10. Re: Seagull by Bob Frame 11. Re: Garbled message by Ken Romaine 12. OT: The Redneck Challenge by Bruce Purdy 13. Re: Genie, JLG, or? by "Paul Schreiner" 14. Flaming Arrow by "Jon Lagerquist" 15. Re: Location, Location, Location by Jerry Durand 16. Re: Flaming Arrow by Bruce Purdy 17. Re: Genie, JLG, or? by 18. Re: Know your tools by Mark O'Brien 19. Re: The Redneck Challenge by "Don Taco" 20. Re: Flaming Arrow by "Storms, Randy" 21. Re: Genie, JLG, or? by Stephen Litterst 22. Re: Genie, JLG, or? by "Paul Schreiner" 23. Re: Garbled Message by SS 24. Re: Seagull by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 25. Re: Garbled message by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 26. Re: Genie, JLG, or? by "Stephen E. Rees" 27. Re: Flaming Arrow by Eric Rouse 28. 2D AutoCAD by Bill Browning 29. Re: Theatre Scholarships by "Donald Robert Fox" 30. Re: Herbal cigars, anyone? by CB 31. Technical Production Faculty Position Available in North Carolina by "Grillo, Henry" 32. Re: Garbled message by CB 33. Re: Operatic amplification, redu by CB 34. Re: Power runs by CB 35. Re: Flaming Arrow by Mat Goebel 36. Re: Flaming Arrow by Bill Sapsis 37. Re: Flaming Arrow by Mat Goebel 38. Followspot Boomerang by Bob Frame 39. Re: Followspot Boomerang by "Bill Brinsley" 40. wiggly lts gone badTa by b Ricie 41. Theatre Scholarships by b Ricie 42. Re: Flaming Arrow by Bill Sapsis 43. Re: The Redneck Challenge by "Tony Deeming" 44. Re: Operatic amplification, redu by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 45. Re: Flaming Arrow by FrankWood95 [at] aol.com 46. Re: Flaming Arrow by "Tony Deeming" 47. Re: Flaming Arrow by Jerry Durand 48. Re: Genie, JLG, or? by Richard Bakos 49. FW: OT: The Redneck Challenge by Herrick Goldman 50. Re: Genie, JLG, or? by "ladesigners [at] juno.com" *** Please update the subject line of your reply to use the subject *** line of the message you are replying to! Please only reply to *** one message subject in each reply. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian Ridolfo" Subject: Genie, JLG, or? Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:20:31 -0500 Message-ID: <005101c61213$f2f5a020$1401a8c0 [at] brianslaptop> In-Reply-To: I will be ordering a new lift soon, in the next week or so, and wanted the group's opinions on which make is best. I currently have a Genie AWP30 and have been quite satisfied with it, but since I have had the money allocated I thought rather than just get the same old thing, I might as well get the best. Some accessories might be fun as well. Thanks, Brian Ridolfo ------------------------------ From: IAEG [at] aol.com Message-ID: <2be.2dad22c.30eea394 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:30:12 EST Subject: Re: Genie, JLG, or? In a message dated 1/5/06 11:21:38 AM, dsprod [at] bellsouth.net writes: << I will be ordering a new lift soon, in the next week or so, and wanted the group's opinions on which make is best. I currently have a Genie AWP30 and have been quite satisfied with it, but since I have had the money allocated I thought rather than just get the same old thing, I might as well get the best. Some accessories might be fun as well. Thanks, Brian Ridolfo >> Welcome to the list Brian, , say hello everyone, , I just had the pleasure of doing a production with Brian during the holidays. Good to have you here Mr Ridolfo! very best, Keith Arsenault IAEG - International Arts & Entertainment Group Tampa, Florida ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Matthew Breton" Subject: RE: Genie, JLG, or? Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 11:42:14 -0500 Oh-so-many questions that go into this. What sort of space do you have? What sort of crew? Do you need to be able to send two or three prople up in the lift at once? Will the lift be used by other groups -- maybe facilities or maintenance, or construction? What sort of loads, other than human, does the lift need to carry? Can the lift run off of wall power, or does it need a battery? What sort of charging time (and how much of a charge) do you want? And, of course -- where do you have to store the lift? What sort of accessway limitations are there between the storage area and where you plan to use it? Matthew Breton Technical Director Cambridge Family YMCA Theater (617) 447-5261 (cell) www.cambymca.org >From: "Brian Ridolfo" >Reply-To: "Stagecraft" >To: "Stagecraft" >Subject: Genie, JLG, or? >Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 11:20:31 -0500 > >For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see >--------------------------------------------------- > >I will be ordering a new lift soon, in the next week or so, and wanted the >group's opinions on which make is best. I currently have a Genie AWP30 and >have been quite satisfied with it, but since I have had the money allocated >I thought rather than just get the same old thing, I might as well get the >best. Some accessories might be fun as well. > >Thanks, > >Brian Ridolfo > > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41f080680601041951rd99f288r64e0f837b828bb91 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 22:51:45 -0500 From: Eric Rouse Cc: psyd [at] cox.net Subject: Re: Garbled message In-Reply-To: References: > > Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates > negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... > Guilty. I would like to make an appointment. Please speak slowly so that I may understand... :-< Seriously though, anyone using Gmail let me know what your settings are. I am obviously missing something here and it is getting aggravating. -- Eric Rouse TD-Penn State University State College, PA ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.2.20060105095059.02c9c110 [at] mail.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:53:34 -0700 From: Theatre Safety Programs Subject: Location, Location, Location Here is the link to an interesting article in the January 3 New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/03/arts/music/03seat.html It's about how where you sit makes a difference at performances. Jerry Gorrell ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Garbled message Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:01:01 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A8B [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > Seriously though, anyone using Gmail let me know what your=20 > settings are. I am obviously missing something here and it=20 > is getting aggravating. I use default text encoding when I send from gmail (which isn't often), and haven't heard any complaints of stuff getting garbled here...though that might be more a sign that the Esteemed Readers can't tell the difference between me garbling unwantedly or babbling like usual. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:03:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Know your tools From: "Curtis L. Mortimore" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mark, Uproariously funny! Especially if you've done much driveway auto repair. Question: Do you know and/or can you share who the author is? I'm compelled to post this in the scene shop but I would prefer to cite the actual author. And I might like to suggest some additions. Thank you! -- Curtis L. Mortimore Technical Director Ball State University Department of Theatre and Dance Muncie, IN 47306 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060105170517.5863.qmail [at] web81507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:05:17 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Heinicke Subject: Re: Genie, JLG, or? In-Reply-To: --- Matthew Breton wrote: > Oh-so-many questions that go into this. And another one: How much weight can your floor handle? Mike Heinicke ------------------------------ From: "Brian Ridolfo" Subject: RE: Genie, JLG, or? Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:20:36 -0500 Message-ID: <005801c6121c$58cbbfd0$1401a8c0 [at] brianslaptop> In-Reply-To: "Oh-so-many questions that go into this." I just want general opinions on such things as longevity of equipment, irritating quirks, cool features and just overall preference. Also, not that I recommend doing so or would never do such a thing myself, but how easy it would be to defeat the outriggers. My situation briefly...storage is not a problem, there are no obstacles on the path (other than the piano that often gets pushed in front the door) mainly used to focus FOH, sometimes moved to outdoor venue for focus or rigging. Moving to outdoor venue is as simple as rolling it down a sidewalk and up a straight ramp. Must fit through a standard door. 30' working height needed for occasional rigging (Thanks Keith). No more than 4 Source 4s or a wiggly light in addition to one person at a time. No weight restrictions on running surfaces. Maintenance department will use it only occasionally, they are gentle with it. As far as power, AC is fine, we do not use it anywhere that a 20a circuit is more than 20' away. No objection to DC. Brian ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2FDDC3C2F5B5F4499C096779EF5493B902CE43F3 [at] exchange-nt.cayuga-cc.edu> From: Bob Frame Subject: RE: Seagull Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:27:03 -0500 Frank- Your lighting seems properly moody and appropriate. But I have to say that for an amateur company (read: do it for LOVE not money) the scenic designs and executions are lovely (well, ...Butler... wasn't all that earth shattering) Very nice work indeed! BTW- I in no way mean to slam Amateur theatre, I have spent many an hour there myself! Bob Robert M. Frame, Coordinator of Theatre Operations Cayuga Community College 197 Franklin St. Auburn, NY 13021-3099 (Voice): 315-255-1743 ext. 2340 (Fax): 315-255-2117 (E-mail): Framer [at] Cayuga-cc.edu If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:29:36 -0500 From: Ken Romaine Subject: Re: Garbled message In-Reply-To: References:

Eric: I use G-mail all the time now for this list. I have it set for default encoding on outgoing messages. Seems to work just fine. I just checked another e-mail account where I get the digest, and my last post came through OK. -- Ken Romaine Business Development Manager Barco Media & Entertainment The opinions expressed here are mine - all mine - no matter how much I want to impose them on the rest of the world. On 1/4/06, Eric Rouse wrote: > Seriously though, anyone using Gmail let me know what your settings > are. I am obviously missing something here and it is getting > aggravating. > -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:29:56 -0500 Subject: OT: The Redneck Challenge From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: My apologies up front to my southern friends, and for the waste of bandwidth. I wouldn't normally forward something like this to the list, but I thought this crowd might appreciate this one. The Redneck Challenge We are sick and tired of hearing about how dumb people are in the South, and we challenge any so-called smart Yankee to take this exam: 1. Calculate the smallest limb diameter on a persimmon tree that will support a 10 pound possum. 2. Which of these cars will rust out the quickest when placed on blocks in your front yard? (A) '65 Ford Fairlane (B) '69 Chevrolet Chevelle (C) '64 Pontiac GTO. 3. If your uncle builds a still which operates at a capacity of 20 gallons of shine produced per hour, how many car radiators are required to condense the product? 4. A woodcutter has a chainsaw which operates at 2700 RPM. The density of the pine trees in the plot to be harvested is 470 per acre. The plot is 2.3 acres in size. The average tree diameter is 14 inches. How many Budweisers will be drunk before the trees are cut down? 5. A front porch is constructed of 2x8 pine on 24-inch centers with a field rock foundation. The span is 8 feet and the porch length is 16 feet. The porch floor is 1-inch rough sawn pine. When the porch collapses, how many dogs will be killed? 6. A man owns a Georgia house and 3.7 acres of land in a hollow with an average slope of 15%. The man has five children. Can each of his grown children place a mobile home on the man's land and still have enough property for their electric appliances to sit out front? 7. A 2-ton truck is overloaded and proceeding 900 yards down a steep slope on a secondary road at 45 MPH. The brakes fail. Given average traffic conditions on secondary roads, what is the probability that it will strike a vehicle with a muffler? 8. With a gene pool reduction of of 7.5% per generation, how long will it take a town which has been bypassed by the Interstate to breed a country-western singer? I betcha thought that-there test was gonna be an easy one, didn't ya? It's okay if'n ya didn't do all that well. Just goes to show ya... There's a hole heap of things that big city book-learning don't prepare ya for in this life. As an added bonus for taking the "REDNECK CHALLENGE", here's some southerly advice that may come in handy down the road a piece... Next time you are too drunk to drive, walk to the nearest pizza shop and place an order. When they go to deliver it, catch a ride home with them. Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Genie, JLG, or? Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:32:10 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A8C [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > I just want general opinions on such things as longevity of=20 > equipment, irritating quirks, cool features and just overall=20 > preference. Also, not that I recommend doing so or would=20 > never do such a thing myself, but how easy it would be to=20 > defeat the outriggers. =20 Best way to defeat the outriggers is to get an outriggerless version, a la the Genie IWP series. > 30' working height needed for occasional rigging Is that "working height" or "working *platform* height"? ------------------------------ From: "Jon Lagerquist" Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:44:00 -0800 Subject: Flaming Arrow Reply-to: jon [at] lagerquist.com Message-ID: <43BCEA60.22685.284E785 [at] localhost> For a Scout event in a few months we are looking to use a flaming arrow (shot into a lake). With several national level archers the shooting part is well in hand, I think the person shooting is ranked in the top 20 youth. What I am interested in what experience this group might have in the area of the flaming stuff. What to use, not use, how to attach and the like. Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060105093742.01fd99b0 [at] interstellar.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 09:41:40 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Location, Location, Location In-Reply-To: References: At 08:53 AM 1/5/2006, you wrote: >Here is the link to an interesting article in the January 3 New York Times. > >http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/03/arts/music/03seat.html > >It's about how where you sit makes a difference at performances. Ah, one of those sites that my security settings make reload forever. It sure would be nice if people added error checking to their code, but I know that's not the uSoft way. "Don't check for any errors you don't know how to handle." "Everything will be better in the next version of Windows, will that be Visa or Mastercard?" -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 12:51:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow From: Bruce Purdy Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > What I am interested in what experience this group might have in the > area of the flaming stuff. What to use, not use, how to attach and > the like. Whilst I claim no actual experience, what I would do is wrap some cotton batting around the arrow head, and then wrap that with wire to hold it in place. Wrap the ends of said wire tightly around the shaft of the arrow to keep it from sliding off. Possibly drill small holes through the shaft and head to anchor the wire, or maybe solder it if it's a metal shaft. Soak the cotton in lighter fluid. Practice a launching few times in advance (Unlit) as it will fly differently from an unprepared arrow. (Different aerodynamics.) How do you plan to retrieve the arrow from the lake afterwards? I trust that you wouldn't just leave it out there! Bruce -- Bruce Purdy Technical Director Smith Opera House ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060105175215.45233.qmail [at] web81810.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 09:52:15 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: Genie, JLG, or? In-Reply-To: If weight and space is a non-issue I will always go with a scissor lift. No outriggers to deal with, you can put a couple of people in the lift or one person with a dozen S4, and you can get models that go above 20'. If you would rather stay with a small footprint I would look at JLG and Genie drivable lifts. They look like an AWP but they do not have outriggers to deal with so you can drive right up to the set wall under your electric and you can focus the entire electric without defeating safety devices. On the down side top height is around 20' on these units. Ken Z ------------------------------ In-Reply-To: References: Message-Id: Cc: marko [at] email.arizona.edu (Mark O'Brien) From: Mark O'Brien Subject: Re: Know your tools Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:57:59 -0700 Curtis, It came from the Chicago Craigslist Rants & Raves section. http://chicago.craigslist.org/ You might try posting there to find out who wrote it, but I'd say they probably stole it from somewhere too. Send me a copy of the "fixed" Version. Mark-O Mark O'Brien Opera Technical Director University of Arizona, School of Music Tucson, AZ 520/621-7025 520/591-1803 Mobile On Jan 5, 2006, at 10:03 AM, Curtis L. Mortimore wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Mark, > > Uproariously funny! Especially if you've done much driveway auto > repair. > > Question: > Do you know and/or can you share who the author is? I'm compelled to > post > this in the scene shop but I would prefer to cite the actual author. > And I > might like to suggest some additions. > > Thank you! > > -- > Curtis L. Mortimore > Technical Director > Ball State University > Department of Theatre and Dance > Muncie, IN 47306 > > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <03eb01c61222$a51fcab0$e28aaa43 [at] DonTaco> From: "Don Taco" References: Subject: Re: The Redneck Challenge Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:05:42 -0800 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Purdy" > > 4. A woodcutter has a chainsaw which operates at 2700 RPM. The density of > the pine trees in the plot to be harvested is 470 per acre. The plot is > 2.3 > acres in size. The average tree diameter is 14 inches. How many Budweisers > will be drunk before the trees are cut down? > All of them. ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Flaming Arrow Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 10:12:29 -0800 Message-ID: <555928311F8B2943B65FC7197942C3B70538C0F7 [at] es1.bsdnet.wednet.edu> From: "Storms, Randy" Cc: jon [at] lagerquist.com Jon - try = http://www.visionrealization.com/Resources/Resource_Details/Archery.pdf "Flaming Arrows - A How To". YiS, Randy Storms rstorms [at] bham.wednet.edu _________________________________ For a Scout event in a few months we are looking to use a flaming=20 arrow (shot into a lake). With several national level archers the=20 shooting part is well in hand, I think the person shooting is ranked=20 in the top 20 youth.=20 What I am interested in what experience this group might have in the=20 area of the flaming stuff. What to use, not use, how to attach and=20 the like. Jon Lagerquist Technical Director [at] South Coast Repertory Costa Mesa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:17:22 -0500 From: Stephen Litterst Subject: Re: Genie, JLG, or? In-reply-to: Message-id: <43BD62B2.5050005 [at] ithaca.edu> Organization: IC-Dept. of Theatre Arts References: Paul Schreiner wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Best way to defeat the outriggers is to get an outriggerless version, a > la the Genie IWP series. Unfortunately, the IWP series won't fit through a standard door. Steve L. -- Stephen C. Litterst Technical Supervisor Ithaca College Dept. of Theatre Arts 607/274-3947 slitterst [at] ithaca.edu ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Genie, JLG, or? Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:23:50 -0500 Message-ID: <6E497ADB607656479C24E6D7BF6B505A042A9A8E [at] exchange.rmwc.edu> From: "Paul Schreiner" > > Best way to defeat the outriggers is to get an=20 > outriggerless version,=20 > > a la the Genie IWP series. >=20 > Unfortunately, the IWP series won't fit through a standard door. Depends on what the "standard" is. The regular 20' and 25' versions will go through a 32" door; I don't see many 30" doors in non-residential buildings. In fact, the narrowest door I have to deal with is 36". That being said, if the OP needs a 30' working *platform* height, he won't get that AND the standard door spec with an IWP, cuz the 30' version only comes with a 40" base width. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <8231e7ea0601051032q59d049dcnd6419c8ecb3c1e2c [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:32:34 -0500 From: SS Subject: Re: Garbled Message >>>Seriously though, anyone using Gmail let me know what your settings are. I am obviously missing something here and it is getting aggravating.<<< Just like Ken and Paul, I too have my Gmail settings at default text encoding. I never any issues with messages, in or out. Perhaps someone with a bit more knowledge in this area=20 -cough-Noah-cough- would have an idea, or suggestion. Sorry. -- SS TTS EKU "Oh, and next Friday... is Hawaiian shirt day... so, you know, if you want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt and jeans. " --Bill Lumbergh ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <7f.6d46ba03.30eec2d3 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:43:31 EST Subject: Re: Seagull In a message dated 05/01/06 17:25:57 GMT Standard Time, framer [at] cayuga-cc.edu writes: > Your lighting seems properly moody and appropriate. > But I have to say that for an amateur company > (read: do it for LOVE not money) the scenic designs > and executions are lovely (well, ...Butler... wasn't all > that earth shattering) Very nice work indeed! > BTW- I in no way mean to slam Amateur theatre, I have spent > many an hour there myself! Thanks for the compliments. We do have a few designers who design and build well-finished sets, which are a pleasure to work with, and a very good props team. The trouble is that they work so hard we don't see them again until next season! Unfortunately, we don't have enough of them. Attention to detail is important, where the audience is as close as ours are. You know the sort of thing you get: doors hung flush in flats, with no reveals; all too visible butt joints between flats; badly mitred mouldings carelessly applied. Butt-joined flats are terrible. Whenever you look at the stage plans in Frenches' Acting Editions, you always see long runs broken with 1' flats, perpendicular to the main run. This makes for much tidier joints, and is not by accident. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <7a.1bab005.30eec430 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:49:20 EST Subject: Re: Garbled message In a message dated 05/01/06 17:30:11 GMT Standard Time, ken.stagecraft [at] gmail.com writes: > I use G-mail all the time now for this list. I have it set for > default encoding on outgoing messages. > > Seems to work just fine. I just checked another e-mail account where > I get the digest, and my last post came through OK. Some e-mail providers send messages in 2-part MIME format. One part is plain-text, which is fine: the other is in HTML, which the list server rejects. This is why I still use AOL 5, rather than the more modern versions such as AOL 9. Frank Wood ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43BD6AB5.4060203 [at] fredonia.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:51:33 -0500 From: "Stephen E. Rees" Reply-To: Rees [at] fredonia.edu Subject: Re: Genie, JLG, or? References: We like our JLG36. We would like it more if it was AC and not battery powered. We have had some ugly go rounds about the charging system. Next thing to find is the Electrician's Saddle Bag as made by Setwear Products. www.setwear.com We leave one attached to the basket all the time. They were on sale not too long ago for 50% off. DO NOT DEFEET THE OUTRIGGERS! HTH. Steve Rees, TD SUNY-Fredonia Brian Ridolfo wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > "Oh-so-many questions that go into this." > > I just want general opinions on such things as longevity of equipment, > irritating quirks, cool features and just overall preference. Also, not > that I recommend doing so or would never do such a thing myself, but how > easy it would be to defeat the outriggers. >[SNIP] ------------------------------ Message-ID: <41f080680601051008o25f87888o7e510b4e7ee78d82 [at] mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:08:45 -0500 From: Eric Rouse Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow In-Reply-To: References: > What I am interested in what experience this group might have in the > area of the flaming stuff. What to use, not use, how to attach and > the like. Hey Jon, When I researched this for a project that never happened I found this website to be very useful. http://www.luxotica.com/education/safety.cfm -- Eric Rouse TD-Penn State University State College, PA ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43BD6D3F.2090604 [at] udel.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:02:23 -0500 From: Bill Browning Organization: University of Delaware Subject: 2D AutoCAD It sounds to me like you may have some parts of your theatre plan at different z-axis elevations. If so, when you draw a line by snaping to an object that happens to be at an elevation of 0 and then for the other endpoint you snap to another object that is at a different elevation you will get a line that behaves as you have described. The line is not parallel to the x-y plain and does not appear in true length in plan view -- but AutoCAD will still measure it accurately with the dimensioning commands. The easiest way to fix this is to select all of the the offending lines and change the beginning and ending z value to 0 in the Properties dialog box. -- Bill Browning, Head of Technical Production Professional Theatre Training Program, University of Delaware 302-831-2207, Fax: 302-831-3673 ------------------------------ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: From: "Donald Robert Fox" Subject: RE: Theatre Scholarships Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 19:27:24 +0000 Greetings and Happy New Year To All At Baylor University they had the same problem that you are currently experiencing. The T.D. at the time came up with a system where the students participation, contribution and G.P.A. within the department were deciding factors of whether the students received the scholarship. He also put into place a mechanism that required the students to apply each semester for the scholarship. Baylor also have scholarships based on need. The Chair of the department had each student fill out an application and explain thier need to faculty who then with the help finacial aid office determined which students had the greatest need. Donald Robert Fox, M.F.A. USA-AEA-IALD Asst. Professor of Design University of the Incarnate Word Dept. of Theatre Arts From: "Mike Burnett" Reply-To: "Stagecraft" To: "Stagecraft" Subject: Theatre Scholarships Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 08:36:29 -0500 For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see --------------------------------------------------- Greetings all, We are currently discussing changing the format of our Theatre Scholarships/Grants and I am looking for some input from the list. Currently, our scholarship students have to participate in production (i.e. actors have to act, designers design, etc...). While in theory this system works, the breakdown comes in that there is not equity in the number of hours put in for the grant. If we were to log the hours, some students would log way more hours for less scholarship money. This system also created a "well if I am going to do a show because I am a major, I might as well get paid for it" attitude. What we are looking at is that we remove the performance participation (they should be doing that anyways because they are theatre students...right??) and go with a straight hourly system with the work being done in one of the theatre shops. The way our system is set up, we have to get something back from the students (this is a campus wide policy on these types of scholarships). Art and Music both require their students putting in some hours working for the department. So, what do you all do for your theatre scholarships/grants? Thanks, MB ________________________________________________________________________ _ Mike Burnett, M.F.A. Assistant Professor of Theatre Chair, Department of Theatre Huntington University Impact your World...for Christ...in Scholarship...through Service 260-359-4279 office 260-359-4249 fax mburnett [at] huntington.edu www.huntington.edu/theatre Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers Galatians 6:9-10 "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." --Hamlet (I, v, 166-167) ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060105135843.00d0ca98 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:58:43 From: CB Subject: RE: Herbal cigars, anyone? >but this director will want the actor to actually cut >the tip The tip that gets cut on a cigar is the one that goes into the mouth, just so that we're clear, and it sounds like you director wants real cigars and nothing else. *I* could convince a group of folk standing closer than five feet away that I had cut the tip off a cigar in preperation to smoking it, and I'm just a skweek. The whole tip/cut thing is better left in the actorial arts dept. as it really isn't a prop issue. Unless the cutting of the cigar plays a larger part than the tip that gets cut at a bris, it shouldn't even be at your desk. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Subject: Technical Production Faculty Position Available in North Carolina Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 15:26:41 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Grillo, Henry" Technical Production Faculty The School of Design & Production of the North Carolina School of the = Arts is accepting applications for a full time faculty position in Technical=20 Production. The appointment begins September 2006 and includes teaching = MFA and BFA students in technical production and associated coursework,=20 advising technical direction majors and supervising students in their production assignments. Desirable candidate credentials include an MFA = in=20 Technical Direction or equivalent professional experience, significant=20 work in the profession and evidence of potential for high-quality = teaching.=20 The salary and benefits are competitive and commensurate with experience = and credentials. The School of Design & Production has 23 full time faculty members who = are working professionals with expertise in 12 different fields of=20 entertainment design, production and management. The school is housed in = a large complex of modern well-equipped shops and utilizes 5 different=20 performance spaces for productions on campus. NCSA, one of the 16 constituent institutions of the University of North=20 Carolina system, is the first state supported arts conservatory in the=20 United States. Located in Winston-Salem, North Carolina, NCSA has a=20 strong commitment to and a distinguished reputation for preparing=20 gifted students for professional lives in the entertainment industry.=20 The resident faculty is made up of artists who have distinguished = careers=20 in the profession and who are encouraged to continue their professional=20 activities and relationships while employed at the school. The faculty = works in a collaborative environment with a low student to faculty ratio. NCSA = is=20 supported by more than 150 guest artists throughout the year. The School = partners with educational, cultural, civic, business and other = organizations to promote the importance of the arts in our society. More information = about=20 NCSA can be found at www.ncarts.edu and information about Winston-Salem can be found at www.ci.winston-salem.nc.us and www.winstonsalem.com. The committee will begin reviewing applications on January 31, 2006. = NCSA,=20 an EOE/AA employer, encourages women and minority applications. = Interested candidates should submit a letter of application, vita/r=E9sum=E9 and = three letters of recommendation to: Howard C. Jones Chair of the Technical Production Search Committee North Carolina School of the Arts School of Design & Production 1533 South Main Street Winston-Salem, NC 27117 ----- Henry R. Grillo Director of Technical Training School of Design & Production North Carolina School of the Arts 1533 South Main Street Winston-Salem, NC 27127 Voice: 336-770-3215 ext. 105 FAX: 336-770-3213 http://www.ncarts.edu/ncsaprod/designandproduction/ ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060105141616.00d0ca98 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:16:16 From: CB Subject: Re: Garbled message >Hey now! Be careful what you say my friend! I think there is >something about casting <> the first stone in here >somewhere! Oh, I'm ready for it! I still remember the day Frank corrected my spelling of the word 'grammer' (sic) in a reply to a post I wrote about someone's poor grammar leading to the misunderstanding. I did include that this was my little fantasy, with a few exceptions, though. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060105142042.00d0ca98 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:20:42 From: CB Subject: Re: Operatic amplification, redu >It's not your business. The guy with his back to the audience, waving a >baton, is the sound boss. Period. He may be good, or bad: the critics will tell him >that. He may need .your advice, but that's all. You forgot the smiley's on the end of that, Frank. The guy that waves the baton drives the bus, the guy at the back of the room with the dinner table full of blinky lights & knobs keeps the bus running, decides how fast it can go, and well it runs. Its like saying that the director is the sound boss, if he says we can ignore the laws of physics, well, then we can. Ask yer Scot friends the difference between 'Boss' and 'Gaffer'. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20060105142550.00d0ca98 [at] pop.west.cox.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:25:50 From: CB Subject: Re: Power runs >There are attached dust covers that block the leds when used. > >The leds are also blocked when the outlet is used. This must be a newer version, then, or someone had removed all the dust covers on ours. The female at the end had a clear molded connector with a light that couldn't have been hidden by anything other than the gaff tape we used. Somewhat similar issues with the clear portion around the through connectors, too, but not as bad. Chris "Chris" Babbie Location Sound MON AZ Delete key training and post trimming done by appointment. Rates negotiable, will trade for typing lessons/ADD treatment... ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:54:36 -0800 From: Mat Goebel Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow In-Reply-To: References: The last time I did this, we didnt actually use an arrow. We made a disposable rocket out of newspaper that rode on a thin guide wire. The rocket motor was flaming enough for everyone. On 05/01/06, Jon Lagerquist wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > For a Scout event in a few months we are looking to use a flaming > arrow (shot into a lake). With several national level archers the > shooting part is well in hand, I think the person shooting is ranked > in the top 20 youth. > > What I am interested in what experience this group might have in the > area of the flaming stuff. What to use, not use, how to attach and > the like. -- Mat Goebel www.matgoebel.com Mobile: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:06:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Sounds like good fun, but wasn't it a bit stinky? What was the propellant? Bill S. www.sapsis-rigging.com 800.727.7471 800.292.3851 fax 267.278.4561 mobile Join the Long Reach Long Riders on their 3rd annual cross country charity motorcycle ride. On 1/5/06 3:54 PM, "Mat Goebel" wrote: > The last time I did this, we didnt actually use an arrow. We made a > disposable rocket out of newspaper that rode on a thin guide wire. The > rocket motor was flaming enough for everyone. ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:09:51 -0800 From: Mat Goebel Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow In-Reply-To: References:

We used the smallest estes rocket motor available. I don't recall the smell being an issue. The motor is so small and doesnt burn for that long. Also, when I did this, it was a campfire lighting. There were all the additional smells from the campfire which might have overpowered it. On 05/01/06, Bill Sapsis wrote: > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > Sounds like good fun, but wasn't it a bit stinky? What was the propellan= t? > > On 1/5/06 3:54 PM, "Mat Goebel" wrote: > > > The last time I did this, we didnt actually use an arrow. We made a > > disposable rocket out of newspaper that rode on a thin guide wire. The > > rocket motor was flaming enough for everyone. > > > -- Mat Goebel www.matgoebel.com Mobile: 510.693.1448 ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2FDDC3C2F5B5F4499C096779EF5493B902CE43F6 [at] exchange-nt.cayuga-cc.edu> From: Bob Frame Subject: Followspot Boomerang Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 16:42:15 -0500 I was looking at the USITT Draft Standard for Lighting Design Graphics. (Nice piece of work BTW) But there was one thing that I have a question about. I always thought frame 1 was closest to the op, but the draft specifies frame 1 as furthest from the op. Admittedly it's been awhile since I ran a spot gig- is my memory faulty (well, about this at any rate) or isn't there a standard and the Draft is trying to set one. Color me curious Bob ------------------------------ From: "Bill Brinsley" Subject: RE: Followspot Boomerang Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 10:52:35 +1300 Organization: Light FX Limited Message-ID: In-Reply-To: In the 24 years I've been followspotting, frame 1 has been closest to the spot-op, But hell, just MHO and YMMV.... Bill Brinsley, Light Fx, Auckland, New Zealand. -----Original Message----- I was looking at the USITT Draft Standard for Lighting Design Graphics. (Nice piece of work BTW) But there was one thing that I have a question about. I always thought frame 1 was closest to the op, but the draft specifies frame 1 as furthest from the op. Admittedly it's been awhile since I ran a spot gig- is my memory faulty (well, about this at any rate) or isn't there a standard and the Draft is trying to set one. Color me curious Bob ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060105220743.13321.qmail [at] web50602.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:07:43 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: wiggly lts gone badTa In-Reply-To: Air conditioned harness?? Forget that just air condition the columns. That would deal with the heat for the LED's and be incentive for the people working in that LA heat to go inside the tube. Seems like logical thinking for LA. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <20060105222050.20951.qmail [at] web50604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 14:20:50 -0800 (PST) From: b Ricie Subject: Theatre Scholarships In-Reply-To: I was a scholarship student at an all women's college. The Scholarship was a full tuition for two years but not free by any means. Men could attend as, an actor, dancer, or technician. A Scholarship student had to maintain a passing GPA as well as work for the program. Each week we had to work "X" number of shop hours. EVERYONE. Actors, dancers, and technicians. Technicians ,of course, had to do more hours each week. Actors and dancers could also put time in the box office or other administrative duties, but all had to work in the shop. If we wanted money we had work study to help there and it did not count toward the hours we had to give the theatre department. We also had to devote two summers to working at the summer stock theatre the School owned. We did receive a stipend for the summer work , but the money was minimal. Work is work and study is study. If they want money for study there are things called grants, not scholarships. Brian Rice 508-685-0716 b_ricie [at] yahoo.com "Blessed are the cracked: For it is they who let in the light." __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:55:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow From: Bill Sapsis Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Yeah, especially if it was a Blazing Saddles type of campfire. On 1/5/06 4:09 PM, "Mat Goebel" wrote: > We used the smallest estes rocket motor available. I don't recall the > smell being an issue. The motor is so small and doesnt burn for that > long. Also, when I did this, it was a campfire lighting. There were > all the additional smells from the campfire which might have > overpowered it. ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: The Redneck Challenge Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:03:57 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > Next time you are too drunk to drive, walk to the nearest pizza shop and > place an order. When they go to deliver it, catch a ride home with them. > > > Bruce Of all the humorous content of this post, I have to say this one tickled me the most! And WHAT a good idea!!! 8-)))))))))) ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <79.53b3ddc2.30ef02be [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:16:14 EST Subject: Re: Operatic amplification, redu In a message dated 05/01/06 20:44:42 GMT Standard Time, psyd [at] cox.net writes: > >It's not your business. The guy with his back to the audience, waving a > >baton, is the sound boss. Period. He may be good, or bad: the critics will > tell him > >that. He may need .your advice, but that's all. > > You forgot the smiley's on the end of that, Frank. The guy that waves the > baton drives the bus, the guy at the back of the room with the dinner table > full of blinky lights & knobs keeps the bus running, decides how fast it > can go, and well it runs. Its like saying that the director is the sound > boss, if he says we can ignore the laws of physics, well, then we can. This has drifted a bit, but still . . First, the director IS the boss. OK, he can't abrogate the laws of physics, nor override the budget, but when he says no, that is usually what he means. And, conversely, when he says he wants something this way, that's the way it will be. In opera, at least, the MD is the sound boss, co-equal with the director. If they don't agree together, you have a disaster on your hands. But the MD is far more than the bus driver, or should be. He keeps the bus running, decides how fast it can go, and how well it runs. In modern auto technology, the guy with all the knobs is the EMC. He does what he's been programmed to do: no more and no less. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: FrankWood95 [at] aol.com Message-ID: <26b.397bfde.30ef0530 [at] aol.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:26:40 EST Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow In a message dated 05/01/06 22:56:06 GMT Standard Time, bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: > Yeah, especially if it was a Blazing Saddles type of campfire. This thread has amused me. If, in the mid-nineteenth century Native Americans had the technology to use these, why are we spraining our brains to find technological solutions to what is a simple problem. Wrap the business end of the arrow in something absorbent, soak it in something flammable, set fire to it, and loose. High accuracy is not important. Frank Wood ------------------------------ From: "Tony Deeming" Subject: RE: Flaming Arrow Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 00:02:02 -0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: > -----Original Message----- > From: Stagecraft [mailto:stagecraft [at] theatrical.net]On Behalf Of > FrankWood95 [at] aol.com > Sent: 05 January 2006 23:27 > To: Stagecraft > Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow > > > For info, archives & UNSUBSCRIBE, see > --------------------------------------------------- > > In a message dated 05/01/06 22:56:06 GMT Standard Time, > bill [at] sapsis-rigging.com writes: > > > Yeah, especially if it was a Blazing Saddles type of campfire. > > This thread has amused me. If, in the mid-nineteenth century > Native Americans > had the technology to use these, why are we spraining our brains to find > technological solutions to what is a simple problem. > > Wrap the business end of the arrow in something absorbent, soak it in > something flammable, set fire to it, and loose. High accuracy is > not important. > > Frank Wood Erm, high accuracy may not have been important to the natives who were trying to annihilate the ne-er to well invaders (read settlers/cowboys/cavalry etc!) but I suspect that some modicum of an idea of where an arrow might land in the situation as posted by the OP might just be useful....!! TD ------------------------------ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060105162452.01f12b70 [at] interstellar.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:26:24 -0800 From: Jerry Durand Subject: Re: Flaming Arrow In-Reply-To: References:

At 04:02 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote: >Erm, high accuracy may not have been important to the natives who were >trying to annihilate the ne-er to well invaders (read >settlers/cowboys/cavalry etc!) but I suspect that some modicum of an idea of >where an arrow might land in the situation as posted by the OP might just be >useful....!! They (some of my relatives, actually) also didn't have to worry about the Environmental Impact Statement. If this is considered a business operation, then you can't spill one drop of kerosene on the ground, much less into a lake. -- Jerry Durand Durand Interstellar, Inc. 219 Oak Wood Way Los Gatos, California 95032-2523 USA tel: +1 408 356-3886, USA toll free: 1 866 356-3886 web: www.interstellar.com ------------------------------ Message-ID: <43BDC8F9.2000300 [at] StudioOneSB.com> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 20:33:45 -0500 From: Richard Bakos Organization: Studio One Inc. Subject: Re: Genie, JLG, or? References: In-Reply-To: What you doing with the old one and where is it at? Brian Ridolfo wrote: >I will be ordering a new lift soon, in the next week or so, and wanted the >group's opinions on which make is best. I currently have a Genie AWP30 and >have been quite satisfied with it, but since I have had the money allocated > > > > -- Richard Bakos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 22:06:34 -0500 Subject: FW: OT: The Redneck Challenge From: Herrick Goldman Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43BDDC58.6070704 [at] dubber.org> Ok my former Eagle scout (Liberal redneck) pal replied with this: Hey, I got the answers below from my neighbor (took him less than six seconds per question)... ">>" inserted before the answers... --------- HG wrote: The Redneck Challenge We are sick and tired of hearing about how dumb people are in the South, and we challenge any so-called smart Yankee to take this exam: 1. Calculate the smallest limb diameter on a persimmon tree that will support a 10 pound possum. >> How far out from the trunk? 2. Which of these cars will rust out the quickest when placed on blocks in your front yard? (A) '65 Ford Fairlane (B) '69 Chevrolet Chevelle (C) '64 Pontiac GTO. >> The Ford. Duh. 3. If your uncle builds a still which operates at a capacity of 20 gallons of shine produced per hour, how many car radiators are required to condense the product? >>That's easy, the real question is how do you get the green tint of the shine to not glow in daylight. 4. A woodcutter has a chainsaw which operates at 2700 RPM. The density of the pine trees in the plot to be harvested is 470 per acre. The plot is 2.3 acres in size. The average tree diameter is 14 inches. How many Budweisers will be drunk before the trees are cut down? >>Well, the woodcutter won't be drunk but at least two cases will be empty. 5. A front porch is constructed of 2x8 pine on 24-inch centers with a field rock foundation. The span is 8 feet and the porch length is 16 feet. The porch floor is 1-inch rough sawn pine. When the porch collapses, how many dogs will be killed? >>Who the hell puts a field rock foundation on a porch?! 6. A man owns a Georgia house and 3.7 acres of land in a hollow with an average slope of 15%. The man has five children. Can each of his grown children place a mobile home on the man's land and still have enough property for their electric appliances to sit out front? >>Sure, the grandkids trailers oughta fit, too. 7. A 2-ton truck is overloaded and proceeding 900 yards down a steep slope on a secondary road at 45 MPH. The brakes fail. Given average traffic conditions on secondary roads, what is the probability that it will strike a vehicle with a muffler? >>Pretty good these days, what with all these city folk moving out to the country. 8. With a gene pool reduction of of 7.5% per generation, how long will it take a town which has been bypassed by the Interstate to breed a country-western singer? >>You mean there's still one that hasn't? And regarding the bonus get'cher butt home on time advice: Next time you are too drunk to drive, walk to the nearest pizza shop and place an order. When they go to deliver it, catch a ride home with them. >>Vern hasn't done this, but has a cousin who has - several times :-)' ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ From: "ladesigners [at] juno.com" Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 04:40:10 GMT Subject: Re: Genie, JLG, or? Message-Id: <20060105.204058.3033.103757 [at] webmail34.lax.untd.com> I know its subjective, but I feel safer on Condor lifts. With my full co= mpliment of tools and me on board, the gross weight can exceed 300#. /s/ Richard I will be ordering a new lift soon, in the next week or so, and wanted t= he group's opinions on which make is best. I currently have a Genie AWP= 30 and have been quite satisfied with it, but since I have had the money= allocated I thought rather than just get the same old thing, I might as= well get the best. Some accessories might be fun as well. = Thanks, Brian Ridolfo ------------------------------ End of Stagecraft Digest #643 *****************************